Speaker 1: I want the fairy tale. I want the prince charming.
Speaker 2: She how do I put this? Isn't a fan of
Speaker 2: my kissing style with.
Speaker 1: The boyfriend and girlfriend for about twelve hours.
Speaker 3: He's in a trash bin.
Speaker 1: He's non recyclable catching her mu.
Speaker 2: I love being love. I love love.
Speaker 4: On today's episode of Where's Your Head At, we are
Speaker 4: sitting down with Beck, the host of Suka with Beck podcast.
Speaker 5: Beck is a self proclaimed sugar baby who is here
Speaker 5: in the studio with us today to educate us on
Speaker 5: the whole world of sugaring.
Speaker 4: We're going to ask her all your juicy questions and
Speaker 4: find out what it's really like to have a sugar daddy.
Speaker 5: Stick around to hear about all the fancy dinners and
Speaker 5: Gucci bags.
Speaker 4: Where's Your Head At is a podcast that talks all
Speaker 4: things relationships, breakups, reality TV, trending shows, and everything in between.
Speaker 5: This is your new go to destination for laughs, gossip,
Speaker 5: intimate details, advice, and much more.
Speaker 6: Oh, they haven't got a Gucci bag?
Speaker 2: Yes yet, you're working on.
Speaker 6: It or working on it?
Speaker 7: It's on the Christmas? Why is sal and Tom for now?
Speaker 2: Still they're good? They're still decent brands.
Speaker 7: I can't complain. Welcome to the studio.
Speaker 5: Well, no, thank you for coming in. We'd love to
Speaker 5: talk to you about this. We've been talking about it
Speaker 5: for a while and said this is something we want
Speaker 5: to touch on in the dating world. Yeah, pleasure to
Speaker 5: have you in here.
Speaker 4: Firstly, congrats on your podcast. You've done a few episodes
Speaker 4: now it looks like it's going really well.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah. So it's called Suka with Beck. Suker is a
Speaker 7: handscript word for a person's authentic state of happiness, and
Speaker 7: that's just what we're all really looking for. So thank you.
Speaker 7: It's a few episodes.
Speaker 2: In now, that's good. That's good.
Speaker 4: So you are a self proclaimed sugar baby. First of all,
Speaker 4: how did you get into this? Because this is like
Speaker 4: such a foreign world to us. So we were like,
Speaker 4: we like, we want to just pick your brain and
Speaker 4: ask you all the questions.
Speaker 7: Yeah, pick away, How did I get into it? Well,
Speaker 7: I mean we're going back. So I'm thirty one now,
Speaker 7: would have been around twenty two, twenty three years old.
Speaker 7: When I first started. I was sitting at a table
Speaker 7: with two of my single girlfriends and we're just talking
Speaker 7: about like, how the fuck do you actually find somebody
Speaker 7: in this world. And this is sort of about the
Speaker 7: time where online dating was starting to kick off and
Speaker 7: we were just looking at what sort of online platforms
Speaker 7: we can use. And a friend of mine stumbled across
Speaker 7: a website called seeking Arrangements dot Com and she had
Speaker 7: signed up thinking it was just a normal website, and
Speaker 7: she messaged the group chat and was like, oh my god,
Speaker 7: I signed up and I found out it's like a
Speaker 7: sugar baby website and how gross you know, et cetera, etc.
Speaker 6: And I was just like, hang on a second, what
Speaker 6: now this.
Speaker 2: Exists?
Speaker 7: And so I was just going along with what they
Speaker 7: were like, you know, I was like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gross.
Speaker 7: But then I was at home signing myself up and
Speaker 7: that's just sort of where it all begains.
Speaker 4: So, oh my god, So tell me about your first experience.
Speaker 4: So obviously, like you've got on the website, you might
Speaker 4: have a few like.
Speaker 6: Is it matches?
Speaker 4: Would you call them?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: It works pretty much the same as any other online
Speaker 7: dating platforms.
Speaker 2: Wife left or rightfile.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you put a profile up, so men actually have
Speaker 7: to pay I think it's one hundred dollars a month
Speaker 7: to be on the profile.
Speaker 6: Women don't have to pay.
Speaker 7: So you create a profile and then you can like
Speaker 7: different profiles or you can just slide on into the dms.
Speaker 6: Right, so you.
Speaker 1: Both have to like each other. Or do the men
Speaker 1: come to the women?
Speaker 6: The men come to the women.
Speaker 7: I mean, you can as a woman on the platform
Speaker 7: as well, like message them, but to be honest, it's
Speaker 7: not really necessary to.
Speaker 6: Get in undated.
Speaker 5: Tell us what your dating profile says. Then on there,
Speaker 5: how do you sell yourself to the potential?
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I don't use my real name,
Speaker 7: so I almost have an alter ego. I suppose you
Speaker 7: could say, yeah, my name would be Bethany Bardell.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yes, thank you.
Speaker 7: I chosen name that kind of sounded a little bit
Speaker 7: similar to mine because if I called myself like Rachel
Speaker 7: or something, then I definitely wasn't going to turn around.
Speaker 6: Exactly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's like, yeah, everyone calls me Beth, which
Speaker 7: is close enough to beck right, yeah, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 7: So on my profile it's Beth Barjel. I have, you know,
Speaker 7: a picture of just myself, and then you can post
Speaker 7: a few pictures, so they might just be like full
Speaker 7: length shot when in a little bit of a bikini
Speaker 7: you can't put any like nudity photos on there. It's
Speaker 7: very screened that way, and then on my profile it
Speaker 7: just says, you know something like young, fun, bubbly, looking
Speaker 7: to have a good time, you know, don't mind exploring
Speaker 7: any fantasies that you might have. And I'm just looking
Speaker 7: for somebody who can help fund a lifestyle that I enjoy.
Speaker 6: But can't afford distress, say, yeah, come save me.
Speaker 5: Do the men on there like that then, because I'm
Speaker 5: obviously like the whole dynamic of like a sugar Duddy
Speaker 5: and sugary.
Speaker 2: Bay sugar baby.
Speaker 6: You haven't been on the side, No.
Speaker 2: I haven't.
Speaker 5: Well do you think that like it is that the
Speaker 5: men like to support the woman, like that's the whole
Speaker 5: premise of it, and that's sort of like one of
Speaker 5: their many fetishes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I suppose the difference between just going down
Speaker 7: to your local brothel and going online to a platform
Speaker 7: like this is. You know, the men that come across
Speaker 7: on the site, they do want to have that emotional
Speaker 7: connection with someone, and they will all say in their
Speaker 7: first messages, you know, looking for someone who I can
Speaker 7: connect with. They really want that girlfriend experience, someone where
Speaker 7: you can sit and talk with you know, most of
Speaker 7: the dates we go on, We'll start at a really
Speaker 7: nice restaurant and we'll have a really nice stin together,
Speaker 7: we'll have really great conversations, and then we might move
Speaker 7: on to other things later. But they are looking for
Speaker 7: that conversation, that experience as a whole collective. So and
Speaker 7: rather than just going down to say to your brothel
Speaker 7: or whatnot. You know, they are in a financially privileged
Speaker 7: position and they do want to help someone with goals
Speaker 7: or help someone out financially because they're in a position
Speaker 7: to do so.
Speaker 6: Quite noble really, So.
Speaker 4: All these men, like what's the like, what's the demograph
Speaker 4: of these men? Like what's the average age? Are they
Speaker 4: all wealthy? Like do you have to do they.
Speaker 1: Screen them for like their income?
Speaker 6: Yeah? They do so.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so when you're setting up your profile, you first,
Speaker 7: when you set it up, you have to put on
Speaker 7: whether or not you're going to be sugar baby or
Speaker 7: sugar daddy. I'm sure that there are milks on there
Speaker 7: as well, but they do need to put their net
Speaker 7: worth on there.
Speaker 6: So how did they screen? How do they screen? If
Speaker 6: that's I mean, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Imagine if there's guys being like, hey, I'm a multimillionaire
Speaker 4: and they've got like ten dollars in their bank account,
Speaker 4: surely they must screen it.
Speaker 6: Well, they're not getting any action for ten.
Speaker 4: Dollars, So what do these guys look like?
Speaker 1: What's your average clients?
Speaker 4: Kind of like give us like I don't know, illustrates
Speaker 4: him to all about.
Speaker 3: Listen, when you.
Speaker 5: Picture like a sugar daddy, you'd picture like this, like
Speaker 5: well matured, you know, silver fox in a suit and like,
Speaker 5: you know, I really like good looking, but I've got.
Speaker 1: To ship together.
Speaker 5: But I would assume there'd be other ones out there
Speaker 5: as well. Yeah, I have to come across.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I definitely went into this world thinking that it was
Speaker 7: going to be like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was a little bit naive.
Speaker 7: And that's what you imagine, right, you imagine pretty women, yeah,
Speaker 7: like George Clooney.
Speaker 6: And then the reality of it is.
Speaker 7: That most of the men who are on there probably
Speaker 7: like fifty five plus. I mean the oldest guy that
Speaker 7: I've seen was probably well, he was probably like early seventies,
Speaker 7: So we're in that sort of age demographic. There are
Speaker 7: younger guys on there, though definitely, I mean, were there
Speaker 7: are guys in their thirties as well that are just
Speaker 7: high profile people or high profile clients. They have multi
Speaker 7: billion dollar companies. They want privacy, they don't want it
Speaker 7: to be publicized, and they don't want any clinging sort
Speaker 7: of women that are going to hate around, and they
Speaker 7: don't want anyone that's looking for a relationship because they
Speaker 7: don't have time. So you definitely do have those clients also,
Speaker 7: but that's probably not the most common demographic. It normally
Speaker 7: is just older men who are in a wealthy position
Speaker 7: who probably can't get a young, pretty woman. Yeah, I
Speaker 7: love that for me.
Speaker 4: So have you always enjoyed dating older men? Is that
Speaker 4: something that you've liked or it's something that you've kind of,
Speaker 4: would you say, accepted or kind of like adapted to. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think it was definitely something that I adapted to
Speaker 7: over time. It was not something that I thought that
Speaker 7: I would enjoy. But then when I you know, I
Speaker 7: was just in a position in my life where when
Speaker 7: I first started, i'd gotten out of a relationship with
Speaker 7: a guy that was very, very sexually experienced in lots
Speaker 7: of different ways and I hadn't been and I was like, right,
Speaker 7: that's it.
Speaker 6: I just almost he wasn't he.
Speaker 7: Was my age, a couple of years older, but you know,
Speaker 7: he'd had threesomes and this and.
Speaker 6: That, and I, you know, I was quite new, I suppose,
Speaker 6: you could say.
Speaker 7: And I was like, right, I just went on a
Speaker 7: mission where I was say, I don't ever want to
Speaker 7: be in a position again in a relationship where I
Speaker 7: feel like I've missed out. And then I fell into this,
Speaker 7: and then I just kind of fell in love. I
Speaker 7: suppose I really grew to enjoy dating ULTI men because
Speaker 7: they know a lot, right. They're all really wealthy people
Speaker 7: because they've created businesses or they've worked their way up
Speaker 7: in a business. They're creative, and they're intellectual, and they
Speaker 7: have a lot of life experience. And as someone a
Speaker 7: young girl in her twenties, you don't know a lot
Speaker 7: of those things.
Speaker 6: So I really.
Speaker 7: Began to enjoy being a sugar baby because I was
Speaker 7: going on these days. But I was also learning a
Speaker 7: lot about life. I was learning a lot about business,
Speaker 7: how to talk to people, how to engage with people,
Speaker 7: and how to just live life in a way that
Speaker 7: was smart, I suppose, because they've made all of their
Speaker 7: mistakes and they've all got lessons that they can teach you,
Speaker 7: so you always walk away with learning something and I
Speaker 7: think that that's really valuable.
Speaker 1: So that's so interesting to me. Jeez, I to give
Speaker 1: us some of the.
Speaker 4: Lessons, that's still twenty seven lessons to learn.
Speaker 2: Can I learn them the hard way?
Speaker 5: So when you've set up your profile, you've got it
Speaker 5: set up, then they message you. Is there like talk
Speaker 5: of what the transaction will be and how much and
Speaker 5: what prices are for? What does that come in there
Speaker 5: or is it down the track?
Speaker 7: No, it definitely happens online, So you want to establish
Speaker 7: what like, you just want to establish and make sure
Speaker 7: that you guys are both on the same page so
Speaker 7: that no one's wasting their time. It's very much the
Speaker 7: same if you were on bumble, you know, what are
Speaker 7: you looking for? What would you like? What sort of
Speaker 7: date should we go on? That sort of thing. So
Speaker 7: it's definitely the same because like, no one wants to
Speaker 7: waste their time, right, I'm not getting ready for a date.
Speaker 7: I mean you understand you're a female, you know, and
Speaker 7: it's like getting ready for a date.
Speaker 6: It takes time, God damn it, So don't.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you definitely come to that understanding of how
Speaker 7: much it's going to cause how long the date will take,
Speaker 7: what the expectations are, because perhaps they're looking for a
Speaker 7: particular sexual experience that I don't feel comfortable in providing.
Speaker 6: And that's so fine. I just say, that's not really
Speaker 6: my jam.
Speaker 7: But you know, really good luck on licking toes if
Speaker 7: that's your fetish.
Speaker 6: It's not really my thing.
Speaker 5: Well let's take it back to the start. When you
Speaker 5: went on your very first date. Tell us a bit
Speaker 5: about that. How was that for you as your first
Speaker 5: experience obviously going into this unknown now?
Speaker 2: Was that it was with the tell us a bit.
Speaker 7: About Yeah, I mean I was definitely shitting myself for sure.
Speaker 7: I think actually for my very first date, I got
Speaker 7: really lucky because it was a younger guy in his
Speaker 7: thirties and he was like a DJ photographer and he
Speaker 7: was in Melbourne with some virtual reality glasses thing. I mean,
Speaker 7: I can't even remember exactly what it was, but he
Speaker 7: was doing some tour or some event and yeah, so
Speaker 7: we met at a bar and we had some drinks
Speaker 7: there and then we went out to dinner at Nobu
Speaker 7: and yeah, and we and I mean I was really nervous,
Speaker 7: but he was a really nice guy. And we had
Speaker 7: a really great time, and then we went back to
Speaker 7: the hotel that he was staying out and had some
Speaker 7: sexy time.
Speaker 2: And that was that is the money I paid beforehand?
Speaker 2: Or is it? How has it exchanged?
Speaker 6: Yeah? That would come beforehand. Yeah.
Speaker 7: So the only time that I probably wouldn't like, wouldn't
Speaker 7: worry about getting the payment beforehand is if I've established
Speaker 7: an ongoing arrangement with somebody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't it awkward to ask for money beforehand?
Speaker 1: Like how do you initiate that?
Speaker 4: I don't know, just personally seeking I'm thinking of myself
Speaker 4: in that position.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, it's awkward as fuck. Yeah, I'm exactly the same.
Speaker 7: I hate confrontation, and I mean, how do you say
Speaker 7: to somebody, Okay, yeah, it's time for you to give
Speaker 7: me five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Like kissing him. It's all taking off, and then.
Speaker 6: It's like a bit of a buzzkill. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean the best way to do it is, you know,
Speaker 7: when you're messaging before you get there, when you're going
Speaker 7: through your expectations and that sort of thing, and it say,
Speaker 7: you know, we're agreeing on an amount, and then I
Speaker 7: just say cash needs to be paid up front, you know,
Speaker 7: or it just needs to be poor on the table
Speaker 7: because obviously for them as well, they're like, well, how
Speaker 7: do I know that you're not going to just take
Speaker 7: the money and run sort of things, So, you know,
Speaker 7: it generally just sort of gets port like on the
Speaker 7: table if they feel comfortable enough to give it to you.
Speaker 7: But it's just safer. I mean, I've never been in
Speaker 7: touch wood, never been poort in a situation where they
Speaker 7: haven't gone through with the financial side of things. But yeah, generally, upfront.
Speaker 4: What's the most you've got for like, I guess like
Speaker 4: a date night with maybe finishing with like a little
Speaker 4: rendezvous at a hotel.
Speaker 7: Just like with a single day, probably about one thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: And paid for Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: A couple of bucks.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean sometimes yeah, I think I've been
Speaker 7: to rock Pool once and the bill for dinner came
Speaker 7: to nine hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, so it's like two grand.
Speaker 6: So it's like you're getting paid in a hotel fee
Speaker 6: on top of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, you're getting paid in like cash money,
Speaker 4: but then also like experiences and getting to like live this.
Speaker 7: Bougie lifestyle and That's why I love it, right, and
Speaker 7: that's what gets addictive because I'm a beauty therapist by trade.
Speaker 6: You know, average wage is like what fifty sixty K
Speaker 6: a year.
Speaker 7: The average wage for an Australian is ninety thousand dollars
Speaker 7: kill me. And I got into that because I love
Speaker 7: making people feel good, and I like making people happy,
Speaker 7: and I like making people feel confident. But why does
Speaker 7: that need to come at a cost to the life
Speaker 7: that I want to live in the experiences that I
Speaker 7: want to have Because I chose an industry that is
Speaker 7: based on passion, not making bank, you know, so that
Speaker 7: was a really good balance for me that I can
Speaker 7: have these lifestyle polks that I enjoyed, but then also
Speaker 7: continue to work in an industry that I love.
Speaker 4: So so have you kind of swapped out like dating
Speaker 4: people who I guess you might meet in like regular
Speaker 4: life and might ask you on a date for just sugaring. Now, Like,
Speaker 4: is that solely how you date?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 7: I mean, if an opportunity presents itself in the wild,
Speaker 7: then I'll, you know, definitely give that go. But it's
Speaker 7: definitely made dating hard because it's probably put the expectation
Speaker 7: up a little bit and I mean I was sort
Speaker 7: of doing a little bit of both, but I just
Speaker 7: got to a point where you know, you're online, swiping
Speaker 7: away on Fumble or Tinder and like, okay, Bob when
Speaker 7: it come Netflix and chill, like you're so hot, and
Speaker 7: you get there and you're just not sexually satisfied anyway,
Speaker 7: and you're like, well, fuck, I could have got paid
Speaker 7: for this, but dating, let's get pack.
Speaker 5: We said, at least you're getting paid for all the
Speaker 5: terrible if it is a terrible yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we leave with nothing but the terrible experience in
Speaker 2: the cash.
Speaker 6: Yes, yea.
Speaker 7: And I mean, I guess the other thing is when
Speaker 7: you're going on a date with a guy that's older,
Speaker 7: who perhaps wouldn't be able to otherwise in a normal situation,
Speaker 7: get somebody like myself or like a younger girl, the
Speaker 7: attitude that they have towards.
Speaker 6: You spending time with them is amazing.
Speaker 7: I feel so powerful, I feel so beautiful appreciative as well. Yeah,
Speaker 7: like they'll look at me like my launch and like wow,
Speaker 7: you're so gorgeous, and they're just like worshiping how wonderful
Speaker 7: you are. Whereas you're not going to get that same
Speaker 7: appreciation from some guy of Tinder. So it's definitely put
Speaker 7: a little bit of in into normal dating life for sure.
Speaker 5: What about in the future going forward, say you find
Speaker 5: someone outside of sugaring, someone that you think is your
Speaker 5: life partner, would you tell them about your sugaring and
Speaker 5: like all that sort of stuff. Great question because obviously,
Speaker 5: like we, like we said before we went on and
Speaker 5: I said, I'll touch on this, I find the topic
Speaker 5: very taboo, and like when I was asking you questions
Speaker 5: before we got you on, I felt that you want
Speaker 5: to make you feel uncomfortable about it, or we're going
Speaker 5: over what we're.
Speaker 2: Going to chat about. And I was like, look, I
Speaker 2: don't want.
Speaker 4: To make you feel uncomfortable, so you didn't want to
Speaker 4: feel like you were priving I.
Speaker 5: Was crying as well a line yeah, because obviously I
Speaker 5: hadn't met you and we speaking over Instagram and I
Speaker 5: was asking questions like, hey, can we talk about this?
Speaker 2: Is this allowed?
Speaker 5: Like yeah, we want to try to say that may
Speaker 5: but would you think you tell a guy because some
Speaker 5: guys maybe might not understand it might be a bit
Speaker 5: not judgmental, but a bit like oh okay, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like the old school fashion way of thinking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, great question. So I've probably I've had.
Speaker 7: Two boyfriends since I've started this. First one I didn't tell.
Speaker 2: While you were doing it.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 7: So if I ever get myself into a relationship, then
Speaker 7: I just stop sugaring.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would never do them.
Speaker 2: At the same time, would you classify that as cheating then?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, because I know.
Speaker 5: A lot of people can say that it's not you know,
Speaker 5: like porn and the stars they say that, so it's
Speaker 5: a little bit different. But they say it's not cheating
Speaker 5: because it's work.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because that's work. Yeah, for sure. I think for me,
Speaker 6: it's just a way of dating.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't necessarily see as work. It's the way
Speaker 7: that I enjoy to date. It's a way that I
Speaker 7: financially benefit my life. But if I was to get
Speaker 7: myself into a relationship, no, that stops there, whether or
Speaker 7: not to tell someone. So the first boyfriend that I had,
Speaker 7: you know, I stopped sugaring.
Speaker 6: I didn't tell him, and I just thought, oh gosh,
Speaker 6: I tell him, should not tell him? I don't know.
Speaker 6: Anyway that ended.
Speaker 7: And the next boy friend that I had, I did
Speaker 7: end up telling him, and you're right, it didn't go well,
Speaker 7: and it's just a little bit frustrating. And in the
Speaker 7: same way that you were a little bit uncomfortable asking
Speaker 7: me questions as you think it's taboo, Well, like the
Speaker 7: way that I see it is, it's just dating and
Speaker 7: it's just sex. Like why is it that as soon
Speaker 7: as the money gets mentioned, then suddenly everyone feels uncomfortable
Speaker 7: or suddenly it's a bit taboo, or suddenly it's a
Speaker 7: little bit wrong.
Speaker 5: Like I wouldn't say wrong, I just say like the
Speaker 5: way it is, it's like, you know, it's well, it
Speaker 5: is actually technically the oldest profession in the world, but
Speaker 5: yours isn't the exact same as like, you know, being
Speaker 5: like that, but like, yeah, I don't know. It's just
Speaker 5: like people, I don't know. You just don't want to
Speaker 5: cross a line. You don't want to say something that
Speaker 5: might offend.
Speaker 2: You, you know. And that's how I felt personally.
Speaker 7: Yeah, for sure, No, I respect that it is. It's
Speaker 7: a difficult conversation to have, and but it's funny because
Speaker 7: everybody is so interested about it, Like all of my
Speaker 7: friends know, and I think I'm really blessed and lucky
Speaker 7: that I have a good group of friends that have
Speaker 7: never judged me. But you know, every time I tell
Speaker 7: a woman about it, they are always like.
Speaker 6: Damn, I wish I could do that. Why didn't I
Speaker 6: hear about that.
Speaker 4: Matt was like, hey, I've got this amazing guest and
Speaker 4: he told me and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I'm so excited to ask so many questions, like I
Speaker 4: have a million questions because like, yeah, there's definitely been
Speaker 4: like and I've told this to Matt, there's been opportunities
Speaker 4: that this guy who hired me for this modeling job,
Speaker 4: I did the job for him and he paid me
Speaker 4: like it was through my agency, but it was like
Speaker 4: a very high fee, like unusually high. But my agency
Speaker 4: was like, I mean, we'll take it if that's what
Speaker 4: he's paying. But then afterwards he was like he sent
Speaker 4: me a text message privately because he asked for my number,
Speaker 4: which I just gave him because I was like eighteen,
Speaker 4: and I was like, sure, here you go. And he
Speaker 4: sent me a message and he was like, hey, like
Speaker 4: just wondering I have what does he What did he say?
Speaker 4: So the message read I have an arrangement with a
Speaker 4: New York model And I was wondering if you would
Speaker 4: spend the night with me for five thousand dollars all
Speaker 4: the weekend for ten thousand. I had like probably about
Speaker 4: one hundred dollars in my bank account at the time,
Speaker 4: and I was like, is this guy serious, Like I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Believe the amount of money, Like it was just wild
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 4: I obviously didn't go through with it because I was
Speaker 4: just like very terrified and just it's not for me.
Speaker 4: But like in the same breath, I just also was
Speaker 4: like fascinated and like wow, like I can't believe, like
Speaker 4: I could potentially have ten thousand dollars sitting in my
Speaker 4: bank account just for one weekend, Like that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Above normal, or yeah.
Speaker 6: That's pretty about normal. Yeah it would be.
Speaker 7: But I mean, you know, for the dates that I
Speaker 7: usually go on, I don't spend the night with them, right,
Speaker 7: so you know, the financial agreement.
Speaker 6: That we have is just for a couple of hours.
Speaker 6: I went to go home to my bed with my dog,
Speaker 6: and I just.
Speaker 7: Don't necessarily feel safe spending the night. I mean, for
Speaker 7: my birthday a couple of weeks ago, I went away
Speaker 7: with the guy that I'm in a relationship, like a
Speaker 7: current arrainment now and you know, we feel safe because
Speaker 7: you know, I've been seeing him now for like six
Speaker 7: months or so, and I feel I felt safe enough
Speaker 7: to do that.
Speaker 6: But generally I don't spend the night the sugar daddy
Speaker 6: is what would you call them? Your clients? Do they
Speaker 6: expect exclusivity from me?
Speaker 2: I was about to ask.
Speaker 6: That, Yeah.
Speaker 7: Sometimes. Yeah, So the current arrangement that I have you
Speaker 7: could call, yeah, an exclusive arrangement for sure, But I mean.
Speaker 5: Put more money on top. Then do you say, well,
Speaker 5: I could be making X amount with other people.
Speaker 7: No, just because I've gotten to a point where I'm
Speaker 7: just so busy in my life that i don't.
Speaker 1: Have the time a normal relationship.
Speaker 6: But you don't have.
Speaker 2: But you could, like.
Speaker 6: Manager, yeah, yeah, I'll put him in touch with you.
Speaker 5: You could say, well, I'm missing out on this much
Speaker 5: even if you're not you can laugh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I just if there is anything that
Speaker 7: I need paid for. For example, you know my my
Speaker 7: body corporate rates? Would you do last week? And I
Speaker 7: just messaged him and said, hey, my body corporate rates
Speaker 7: are this week? Like, financially, it's just a really stressful time.
Speaker 7: I don't really have the money for that right now.
Speaker 7: He's like, great, how much is it? And the next
Speaker 7: day it was in my account to pay.
Speaker 3: For so good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my car was in the mechanics a few weeks
Speaker 7: ago because my radiator blew up and he's like, well,
Speaker 7: how much is the bill? And told him how much
Speaker 7: the bill was. Next day the money was in my account.
Speaker 7: So I feel like I could.
Speaker 6: Brain ticking over.
Speaker 4: He's like going to be a sugar baby and now like.
Speaker 6: Just well you can set up your profile bag.
Speaker 1: He loves it.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think I'm going to do that, but
Speaker 5: I just I just yeah, it's just like that's it's
Speaker 5: you hear about it, but you never, like you never
Speaker 5: actually talk with someone that does it. Like it's always
Speaker 5: like I do. Remember me and my mate back when
Speaker 5: eighteen Ben We're like, yeah, like let's do that, let's
Speaker 5: do that. But yeah, but like you know, you're eighteen
Speaker 5: and you're thinking that, like you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Is there a market for men in it?
Speaker 1: No, I'm I'm just asking you did say I just
Speaker 1: joked on my coffee.
Speaker 6: I know I thought I was going to wear this
Speaker 6: coffee because.
Speaker 2: When you're on the.
Speaker 6: Is it just is he blushing? Is the life.
Speaker 5: I can't, it's no, I was just asking because you
Speaker 5: said obviously you said earlier there's on there. Have you
Speaker 5: seen on the website that there is a market for
Speaker 5: that or is it just I mean male dominant dominant?
Speaker 6: It would be male dominant for sure. I don't know.
Speaker 7: I mean you can I remember when I was signing up.
Speaker 7: You know, you port whether or not you're like female
Speaker 7: or male, and whether you want to be like the
Speaker 7: sugar or providing the sugar. But I think the most
Speaker 7: classic scenario is that the man would be the sugarman.
Speaker 7: But you know, you could probably find yourself for milk.
Speaker 6: I have no doubt that.
Speaker 2: I was just asking that.
Speaker 7: It would definitely be on the site. But I think
Speaker 7: like typically a woman, like an older woman could probably
Speaker 7: pick up in a like an organic normal fashion a
Speaker 7: lot easier than an older man could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: So what has been like the best perk that you've
Speaker 4: got from sugar? Like bags? I'm thinking, like, you know,
Speaker 4: cars maybe, or I just like living in this like fantasy.
Speaker 7: You're probably living in a fantasy land. I think it
Speaker 7: was maybe like that once upon a time. But I
Speaker 7: think you'll be surprised at how many women are actually
Speaker 7: doing it, and how many women are on this platform.
Speaker 7: So I think that the price of things and the
Speaker 7: perks of it all has sort.
Speaker 6: Of come down a lot over to time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I read an article that said there's one hundred
Speaker 4: and seventy seven thousand university students in Australia who are
Speaker 4: on these websites doing sugaring. So it's I think it's
Speaker 4: a lot more common it is, And like it's also
Speaker 4: cool that you're willing to talk about it because like
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know anyone who's willing to be
Speaker 4: open and chat about it, and it's really refreshing to
Speaker 4: just it's just interesting to just get an insight almost
Speaker 4: into that world because it feels like this like you know,
Speaker 4: far away like world, but.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of like normal, right, just dating.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just stating.
Speaker 7: And the way I look, the way I think about
Speaker 7: it is if you go, if you really break it down,
Speaker 7: like I say, you just recently got engaged. I'm not
Speaker 7: going to ask you how much your ring cost, but
Speaker 7: that's a financial gift to you.
Speaker 2: So what is doing it? Transition?
Speaker 6: So do you know what I mean? Like just to
Speaker 6: put a little bit of perspective.
Speaker 7: Everybody accepts, you know, a really nice diamond ring from
Speaker 7: their future partner, or you know when you go on
Speaker 7: a date with someone.
Speaker 6: I know nine out of ten women.
Speaker 7: Would expect the guy to pay for that, at least
Speaker 7: on their first days.
Speaker 6: So what is different?
Speaker 4: Matt likes a fifty to fifty car. Okay, I have
Speaker 4: a question. Yes, have you ever had a client and
Speaker 4: you have met him and you've been like a bit
Speaker 4: repulsed by him?
Speaker 1: There's something that's really turns you off. I don't know, bad.
Speaker 4: Bo creepy, something that you're just like red flag tapping out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7: I just have There's like one story that comes to
Speaker 7: mind it makes me want to tell. Okay, so with
Speaker 7: this guy who's like some Persian surgeon and Persian surgeon.
Speaker 7: I was in his big gin normous house and and
Speaker 7: he was just gross that anyway.
Speaker 2: That's way physical or just the way he was acting.
Speaker 6: Oh could it be Bose? Yeah? Absolutely.
Speaker 7: I was like, you were just one seriously cocky by
Speaker 7: the arrogant. Yeah, really arrogant, but anyway, that's fine. And
Speaker 7: we got to the bedroom and I don't know what
Speaker 7: comes over men when they think about like going on
Speaker 7: top on for sixty nine, like there's just nothing attractive
Speaker 7: about it from a female's perspective.
Speaker 6: Visualized, you visualize, I think it can.
Speaker 7: Actually it works like yeah, but it's sucking rained eying
Speaker 7: there and he just thinks mind you he was fat,
Speaker 7: and I was like, oh god, I'm gonna get squashed
Speaker 7: right anyway.
Speaker 2: No self awareness my mind.
Speaker 7: You know, dollar bills and gets on top and you
Speaker 7: know when a guy's like fifty five class, you know,
Speaker 7: balls are staggy and in my face I barely breathe
Speaker 7: for starters, and then I just I look up and
Speaker 7: then you just see the ars crack and there was
Speaker 7: just this hairy ass crack with.
Speaker 6: Little dingle dangles in the Sorry, it was right there.
Speaker 2: Right right there to flick the.
Speaker 6: Why why would.
Speaker 2: You ask for extra for that? But you can't, not.
Speaker 6: Really you can't. You wanted to see me again, and
Speaker 6: I was like, sorry, clean.
Speaker 7: Your Assholey, we'll talk about like you're a surgeon trying
Speaker 7: they have to, like bel.
Speaker 2: Didn't you ask for a shower first though, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 7: Well, this was quite early on, like now jays, yeah,
Speaker 7: probably freshen up. But most people are like most guys
Speaker 7: come to the table, clean, clean, ideally ideally, Yes, they
Speaker 7: come and they're all dressed up in their fancy suit
Speaker 7: and try to make a good impression.
Speaker 6: Bless them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's probably the grossest story than I so
Speaker 7: sorry for.
Speaker 4: It was such a visual story, like I'm still visualizing.
Speaker 1: I'm struggling to like.
Speaker 4: It will halt you the word dingle dangles.
Speaker 1: That was where I really.
Speaker 5: Well, Okay, so what's the So you've obviously been asked
Speaker 5: to do different stuff in the bedroom. What would be
Speaker 5: the craziest like someone's fetish then that they have asked
Speaker 5: you to do? Have you the one you've done and
Speaker 5: the one you've turned down because it was too wild?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Wow, great questions.
Speaker 7: I mean I had a client once who was just
Speaker 7: really turned on by like other people watching. So I
Speaker 7: know we've like gone to the nude beach a couple
Speaker 7: of times together because he just gets turned on by
Speaker 7: like other people looking at me.
Speaker 6: And we went to.
Speaker 7: A sex club in Melbourne, which I didn't even know
Speaker 7: there was exist. He's like, yeah, I've got.
Speaker 2: I'm on the list.
Speaker 6: I'm on the list.
Speaker 2: Yeah, through the mask, I.
Speaker 6: Knew you look familiar.
Speaker 1: Hold on, Hold on holder.
Speaker 4: What's the sex club? Exactly? Just for everyone listening. I
Speaker 4: think I know, but I just want like clarification.
Speaker 6: It's a club you have sex in.
Speaker 5: And then you go there and they like these different
Speaker 5: rooms and you'll sit around. I don't know, I've never been,
Speaker 5: so I don't know the premise about it.
Speaker 4: I had.
Speaker 7: Honestly, it was maybe like a little bit naive, but I
Speaker 7: didn't even know that they were here. It was just
Speaker 7: like very Berlin vibes. So it was like this little club.
Speaker 6: Like you wouldn't even know. I don't even know exactly where.
Speaker 7: It was maybe near Richmond something like that, and it
Speaker 7: was near the city and you just walk in. You
Speaker 7: buy a ticket, and then you walk in. There was
Speaker 7: a bar there, some pool tables. There's like a big
Speaker 7: locker room where you go in and you put all
Speaker 7: of your stuff so you can walk around naked or
Speaker 7: just in lingerie, whatever you sort of want. And this
Speaker 7: particular place had yeah, pool tables, some TVs which just.
Speaker 6: Had pawn going.
Speaker 7: People are just hanging around and whatever they feel comfortable in,
Speaker 7: and then you go down this hallway and there's just
Speaker 7: a different space dedicated for all these different things at
Speaker 7: the end, there's like a steam room where people getting
Speaker 7: down and dirty, and there's like a jacuzzi.
Speaker 6: There's a like a cross room where.
Speaker 7: You can tie yourself up in bondage, and there's like
Speaker 7: an yeah, yeah, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2: It was like as I was manufacturing my own.
Speaker 7: There are all these different rooms where you can like
Speaker 7: lock and there's just like all these buckets or condoms everywhere,
Speaker 7: and there's like a big orgy room, so it's just
Speaker 7: like this big platform where everyone can sort of join.
Speaker 7: And then there was like this other one where they
Speaker 7: had like a like a mini hole that you could
Speaker 7: like sort of lay between, so you could have sex
Speaker 7: with someone and not know who was on the other side.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I went there with him, which was quite
Speaker 7: a fun and interesting experience. But I think the one
Speaker 7: that stands out the most I had a client who
Speaker 7: really just had this. I mean, he just wanted to
Speaker 7: experience being with male, which he had never done before.
Speaker 7: So like he was online trying to find a male
Speaker 7: and he couldn't for a while, but he often organized
Speaker 7: like myself and perhaps like one or two other girls,
Speaker 7: and we would you know, have a threesome or foursome
Speaker 7: whatever together and there were other sugar babies as well,
Speaker 7: and so he we played rock faper scissors and who
Speaker 7: was going to put a strap on on and fuck him?
Speaker 7: Because he just really wanted to be fucked in the art.
Speaker 7: I that wasn't me, thank the heavens. So that was
Speaker 7: an interesting sight to.
Speaker 4: Watch, Wolly so interesting looks.
Speaker 6: It looks it's hard.
Speaker 3: Work to work out for us.
Speaker 4: Wow. I mean I'm still not over the fact that
Speaker 4: there's a sex club like this in Melbourne.
Speaker 1: That is crazy to me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's also I mean, with that same client,
Speaker 7: I went to a Saintansim Sinner's Ball, which is annually
Speaker 7: every year just on King Street and it's yeah, it's
Speaker 7: just a club and everyone there's a different uniform theme
Speaker 7: or like dress theme every year. My face is actually
Speaker 7: on the cover of the album by accidents. Yeah, it's
Speaker 7: just embarrassing Saints and Sinner's Ball. So we went as
Speaker 7: he was Hugh Hefner and he's too bunny, and I
Speaker 7: mean it was packed, like there were like thousands of
Speaker 7: people that hundreds thousands, I don't know that.
Speaker 6: It was like three level club.
Speaker 8: Wowow packed couples, gay, straight, fluent like whatever you can
Speaker 8: imagine you're like they were there well and like the
Speaker 8: median age for.
Speaker 7: The Saint since Sinna's ball. I mean there were young
Speaker 7: people there. I bumped into someone that I went to
Speaker 7: beauty school where she was there with her boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Oh really?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is it awkward if you go to a sex party
Speaker 4: and then you see someone that you actually know there?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean it only happened that one time from
Speaker 7: the Saint Cincinnaswall, but I mean she's there with her boyfriend.
Speaker 6: I'm just there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, who's the one that should feel more awkward?
Speaker 7: But I think you know when everybody when you're in
Speaker 7: a place like that, it's because you're a sexually comfortable,
Speaker 7: open minded person.
Speaker 6: So there's actually no shame there at all.
Speaker 5: Again, would you ask for more money to go to
Speaker 5: those sort of places or is that like just the
Speaker 5: set rate.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just we would come to to the
Speaker 7: arrangement of what we decided. I mean I don't buy
Speaker 7: my tickets, I don't buy my drinks when I go,
Speaker 7: And I mean, let's be honest, I love having sex,
Speaker 7: like and I really enjoy pushing my boundaries and opening
Speaker 7: my mind like I want to experience it everything that
Speaker 7: life has to offer a period, and if that means
Speaker 7: going to a really like to a sex club or
Speaker 7: going to Saint Sincinna's ball to open my mind to
Speaker 7: what else is out there and how people live in
Speaker 7: order to understand people better and learn more than sign
Speaker 7: me up. It doesn't it doesn't feel like work.
Speaker 4: All for me. I got a message on Instagram and
Speaker 4: it was this guy and he was like, hey, I
Speaker 4: would love to pay you to kick me in the
Speaker 4: balls normal this world.
Speaker 6: I have not done that while.
Speaker 7: Not in a sugar baby sugar daddy's situation. And I
Speaker 7: did it to a guy in a club once, but
Speaker 7: that's fine. That's such infering story. I mean, I had
Speaker 7: a guy, you know, ask me if I could like
Speaker 7: tie him up and like whip him and spit on
Speaker 7: him and call him all sorts of like really gross
Speaker 7: names and things like that, and I'm just like, it's
Speaker 7: not really my vibe. I just feel like you dirty
Speaker 7: dog like this sort.
Speaker 2: Of wild fetishes, but have some wild ones.
Speaker 6: Yeah, another one that you remember.
Speaker 7: I mean, no, I did with like a different group
Speaker 7: of my friends go to another like Dominatrix kind of party,
Speaker 7: and like there are so many different avenues that people
Speaker 7: find pleasure out of. Like there was this one girl
Speaker 7: that was cable tied in a like in a cage,
Speaker 7: and this guy was electrocuting and she had a bag
Speaker 7: on her head that was taped up and she found
Speaker 7: she found she was loving it.
Speaker 6: It was a lot to watch.
Speaker 7: To be honest, but I mean I just went with
Speaker 7: a few of my girlfriends, Like that wasn't for work.
Speaker 7: But yeah, like the people are into some very interesting things.
Speaker 7: I mean, whatever, get it.
Speaker 1: One of the most challenging things about sugaring.
Speaker 7: Then, I think the most challenging thing would probably be
Speaker 7: that you know, most of the time you're not physically
Speaker 7: attracted to them, right, So that's probably the biggest hurdle
Speaker 7: that you have to overcome. But I am not a
Speaker 7: superficial look space person. I am attracted to personality and intelligence.
Speaker 7: You could be a tend but if you're just like
Speaker 7: a douchebag, don't care how high you are, it's just
Speaker 7: not happening. So that's sort of how I overcome it.
Speaker 7: Because if we're having a conversation over dinner and you know,
Speaker 7: you've talked to me about you know, your life experiences
Speaker 7: or how you've built a company or you know, X,
Speaker 7: Y and Z, and I've built that emotional connection with
Speaker 7: somebody and that appreciation for what somebody has achieved in
Speaker 7: their life. And I find that attractive, even if I
Speaker 7: don't physically find them attractive.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Otherwise it's just joggy style. You know.
Speaker 4: Obviously it's like a you know, it's amazing because like
Speaker 4: you know, they're paying bills that you're struggling to pay.
Speaker 4: They're kind of relieving financial stresses. Do you ever feel
Speaker 4: like you're putting yourself in danger in these situations? Like
Speaker 4: has there ever been dangerous situations where you've been like,
Speaker 4: maybe this isn't for me anymore?
Speaker 6: Great question?
Speaker 7: Not really, I think the really like a really, I
Speaker 7: do it in a way that is probably the safest option.
Speaker 7: I go for dinner first normally, so if they're if
Speaker 7: I ever encountered a situation where I was like, this
Speaker 7: isn't really for me, and that's how and once then
Speaker 7: I just say, look, this isn't really for me, Thank
Speaker 7: you so much, but I just don't think we're a
Speaker 7: good match.
Speaker 6: And that's fine.
Speaker 7: I get a free dinner, you know, good luck to you.
Speaker 7: And I mean also let's just look at it from,
Speaker 7: you know, a normal dating perspective. What difference is it
Speaker 7: to go and meet up with a guy off Tinder
Speaker 7: you're just going around to his place for Netflix and
Speaker 7: trill to going to see a sugar daddy. They're both
Speaker 7: people that you don't know that you've met online. I
Speaker 7: have my location permanently shared with three different people, and
Speaker 7: I always tell someone where I'm going.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I feel like the only difference wouldn't
Speaker 4: maybe be that they might feel like they have some
Speaker 4: sort of ownership over you because they're hating you in
Speaker 4: a way, Like do you ever feel that where they're like,
Speaker 4: you're kind of mine, kind of like a you know
Speaker 4: that misogynistic I have, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like mentality.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, that's definitely happened. And if a person
Speaker 7: has made me feel to be like, made me feel
Speaker 7: uncomfortable and objectified, and I don't feel good about that situation,
Speaker 7: then I just don't see that person again. But at
Speaker 7: the end of the day, you know, in situations like that, well,
Speaker 7: they have paid for my time, you know, that is
Speaker 7: what they've paid for. And it's just like any other job.
Speaker 7: If there are avenues in every job that you like
Speaker 7: tasks that you do in every job that you don't enjoy.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 5: So a lot of these clients are established men and
Speaker 5: they've got jobs and careers and all that. Are any
Speaker 5: even married or do they give up that information to you?
Speaker 6: Some of them, in all honesty.
Speaker 7: Do or they do share that with me and they
Speaker 7: are Look, it's a tricky thing, right because I suppose
Speaker 7: that's where a lot of judgment around sugar babying comes in.
Speaker 7: But at the end of the day, I'm not really
Speaker 7: there to pass judgment on something that they're doing, Like
Speaker 7: if they have arrived in this point in their marriage
Speaker 7: where they're not happy. I mean I had someone once
Speaker 7: who had been in a relationship with like been married
Speaker 7: for thirty years, hasn't had sex in seven years, Like
Speaker 7: him and his wife sleep in separate rooms, but you know,
Speaker 7: they have a family together, and statistically, in a divorce
Speaker 7: or whatever, the guy's going to come out on the bottom.
Speaker 6: You know, the woman statistically will get the we'll get
Speaker 6: the kids.
Speaker 7: And the house and that sort of thing. And you know,
Speaker 7: so they want to have an outlet that they're not
Speaker 7: getting within their marriage. And as a thirty one year old,
Speaker 7: I can't possibly judge or put myself in a position
Speaker 7: where I can even fully comprehend what that must be.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 2: I don't know their backstory.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe they've got an agreement, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: maybe they have an agreement.
Speaker 4: Really well, Yeah, tell us about the agreements that you've
Speaker 4: heard from husbands who are seeking sugar babies.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so sometimes like they might have, say, for example,
Speaker 7: that client I was saying, who quite likes other people
Speaker 7: observing or likes going to those sex clubs and things
Speaker 7: like that, his wife is just not into that, and
Speaker 7: she honestly just has no She's like, that's fine. If
Speaker 7: that's something that you really want to explore and you
Speaker 7: need that to feel fulfilled, then you can go ahead
Speaker 7: and do that with someone else. That's just not going
Speaker 7: to be me. But I've also been a third in
Speaker 7: a married relationship, you know, as a sugar baby going
Speaker 7: into that relationship because it's a lot they feel a
Speaker 7: lot more comfortable having that third come in that's under
Speaker 7: that sort of financial arrangement so that there are no
Speaker 7: like risks of feelings and that sort of thing going
Speaker 7: to Yeah.
Speaker 5: I know people that have done that as well, and
Speaker 5: couples that do bring someone in. You said that your
Speaker 5: friends know what you do and they're like interested in
Speaker 5: they're welcoming of it. Have you told your family?
Speaker 7: I have told my mum and my sister. Actually probably
Speaker 7: not to the extent that we've spoken about it. But
Speaker 7: I went through I mean I came from a very religious,
Speaker 7: sheltered sort of life, and I mean we also didn't
Speaker 7: have a lot of money either, and I think that
Speaker 7: this is why I just tried to capitalize on wherever
Speaker 7: it is that I can find that financial stability because
Speaker 7: you know, trauma and all that.
Speaker 2: But no, I think it's fair enough.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I did to make money.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So we didn't talk actually for a couple of
Speaker 7: years and when after you told him, no, no, this
Speaker 7: is just for other, you know, other reasons because I've
Speaker 7: always been different, you know, to my family. I just
Speaker 7: don't fit into that religious culture and that sort of thing.
Speaker 7: But when we reignited our relationship, I was just I
Speaker 7: made that conscious decision that I'm just going to be
Speaker 7: one hundred percent open and honest with her, that this is,
Speaker 7: you know, who I am, and if we're going to
Speaker 7: have a relationship, is going to be an honest one. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so she doesn't know that one hundred percent ins and
Speaker 7: out of it. But you know, like she lent me
Speaker 7: money to buy my car once so that I didn't
Speaker 7: have to get a loan out and then I just
Speaker 7: pay it back to her in cash and she's like,
Speaker 7: I don't want to know.
Speaker 2: So she's not going to listen to the don't share
Speaker 2: the link to this episode with her?
Speaker 6: No, no, I'm not going to be in a hurry.
Speaker 5: To share it with So are you? So obviously you
Speaker 5: haven't told your daddy. You don't have communication with your dad.
Speaker 6: Then I haven't told my dad. No.
Speaker 1: Do you think you'll ever tell him?
Speaker 5: Well? No, So you just say to your mum, you
Speaker 5: go for dinner with these men and they paid. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I just say I have sugar daddies.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: And she's like, oh my god, do you think you'll
Speaker 6: ever give up sugary? Yeah?
Speaker 7: I mean I feel like I'm almost getting to a
Speaker 7: point now where I'm almost done with it because I
Speaker 7: you know, I do want to find someone that I'm
Speaker 7: going to spend the rest of my life with. And
Speaker 7: you know, I want to find love and find my person,
Speaker 7: and you know, so I can't be doing this forever.
Speaker 7: But I mean it is really difficult because well, where
Speaker 7: is that financial gap? How is that financial gap going
Speaker 7: to be filled? You know, it's and that's a tricky
Speaker 7: thing when you do start dating. It's not just Okay,
Speaker 7: I've got to stop sleeping around with other people. Now,
Speaker 7: It's like, okay, but how am I going to then
Speaker 7: continue to pay my bills? It's a massive cut to
Speaker 7: my lifestyle, you know, to be exclusive with someone. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I think I am getting to a point where I'm
Speaker 7: getting done with it because I do want to find
Speaker 7: that somebody. But yeah, it's definitely not a for everything,
Speaker 7: but it's a thing that has served me really well.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Have you ever fallen in love with one of
Speaker 4: your sugar daddies?
Speaker 5: No, Weir.
Speaker 1: Would be like a yeah, happy ending.
Speaker 6: I know it would be, but it just hasn't happened.
Speaker 1: The modern day.
Speaker 5: Pretty would you when you were like when you're doing
Speaker 5: it because I was your exclusive with the guy?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 5: Would you have like almost like a roster and you'd
Speaker 5: just like see one guy one night or like you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, you'd have certain clients that kept
Speaker 5: coming back and you'd pencil them in a certain day
Speaker 5: and you knew that you had to go spot to
Speaker 5: but you were working that night.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So it's just like setting dates on with any other
Speaker 7: sort of form of dating. Really, a lot of the clients.
Speaker 6: Like they're all busy people.
Speaker 7: Often they're just flying into Melbourne for an event, so
Speaker 7: they'll just message me and be like, hey, I'm in
Speaker 7: Melbourne the weekend of the whatever. When I was younger,
Speaker 7: like in my twenties, when I was doing it more
Speaker 7: frequently because I was saving up to go to Europe.
Speaker 7: So I was just like smashing them ad as often
Speaker 7: as they could. Then I would just have my diary
Speaker 7: open and Joe, yeah, just lists them out for the week.
Speaker 4: I would never normally ask anyone about their financial situation,
Speaker 4: but do you have a lot of savings through sugaring?
Speaker 7: I did until I bought a house. Okay, well I've
Speaker 7: bought an apartment. I bought an apartment. I mean you're
Speaker 7: very small but very expensive apartment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you in this market age, thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And you know this is the thing, right if you know,
Speaker 7: if people want to pass judgment or comments on what
Speaker 7: I've done, then that's fine.
Speaker 6: That's your prerogative.
Speaker 7: But I know for a fact that I wouldn't have
Speaker 7: been able to go to thirty three countries. I wouldn't
Speaker 7: have been able to drive the car that I drive,
Speaker 7: own an apartment, have the dog that I have, and
Speaker 7: have gone to all the nice restaurants, and have the
Speaker 7: clothes and have the freedom to live my life the
Speaker 7: way I want it without having sugaring. And I owe
Speaker 7: those men a lot for allowing me to get to
Speaker 7: this point.
Speaker 6: There's no way that I could have.
Speaker 7: An apartment of my own, yeah, and be you know,
Speaker 7: and not have a credit card and lots of debt
Speaker 7: and things like that. Like, Yeah, I owe them a lot.
Speaker 7: And I did what you know, I had to do
Speaker 7: in a way that.
Speaker 6: Was enjoyable exactly. You've enjoyed it so Yeah, to get
Speaker 6: by really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very expensive time to your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you so. My rent just went up
Speaker 1: five hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the what are the websites called?
Speaker 7: Yeah, interest rates have gone from like your two point
Speaker 7: zero to like seven points.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: If you can make money anyway in this day and age,
Speaker 5: I suggest going going for it. You can put yourself
Speaker 5: ahead of everyone else in a way that you feel
Speaker 5: comfortable doing. Yeah, there's no judgment there.
Speaker 4: And like something that's interesting is like you're speaking to
Speaker 4: all these people who are super successful, very business minded,
Speaker 4: and like you obviously have this entrepreneurial kind of bone
Speaker 4: in your body. Now you've just started your own podcasts,
Speaker 4: you have your own stuff going on, so it's like, yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I have plans and visions
Speaker 7: for where I want Suka to go, and I've built
Speaker 7: that with the advice and the guidance from people who
Speaker 7: have done it and failed and done it and turned
Speaker 7: it into multimillion dollar success stories. And you know, so
Speaker 7: I think that I am in a really privileged position
Speaker 7: where I get to have that advice for free.
Speaker 5: So you you go through the apps in that would
Speaker 5: you ever think about opening your own like not like
Speaker 5: business escort business, but like your own place where you
Speaker 5: are in charge of like the sugar things and you
Speaker 5: arrange the dates for different girls, and that you could
Speaker 5: make some money doing that.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've thought about it.
Speaker 7: I've made a lot of friends during like the last
Speaker 7: few the last oh gosh.
Speaker 6: How long has it been?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 6: Can someone do math?
Speaker 7: Seven years years being on the site, because sometimes you
Speaker 7: you know, I'm baby I thought, like I've thought about it,
Speaker 7: but I do know someone who does do that, and
Speaker 7: it's a lot of time to organize those states. To
Speaker 7: be honest, like I said earlier, it's just not something
Speaker 7: that I want to do for the rest of my
Speaker 7: life because I have a different calling and it's just
Speaker 7: very time consuming, like you're just on on the app,
Speaker 7: like texting backwards and forwards. Some people are genuine, some
Speaker 7: people are not genuine. Some people are just damn right
Speaker 7: disrespectful or low balling, you know. So say you say
Speaker 7: this is the amount, then they come back with something
Speaker 7: that's less than half, and you just say, I'm not
Speaker 7: an item at the market that you can bargain for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't bad for me.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not Campbwell market, don't low ball me.
Speaker 6: I love Campbell Bart.
Speaker 2: It's amazing there. And everyone like a one hundred and.
Speaker 5: Fifty dollars shirt, so I said, like ten bucks and
Speaker 5: some guy goes five and I'm like, mate, that's been
Speaker 5: worn once.
Speaker 2: Don't get me started. Don't started on is going to
Speaker 2: charity as well?
Speaker 6: I've opened.
Speaker 4: I just Okay, Beck, we have so much more to
Speaker 4: talk to you about, and we're going to talk to
Speaker 4: you about all of that after the break.
Speaker 5: So, Beck, you told us before about how you've starved
Speaker 5: your new podcast, Suker, do you want to tell us
Speaker 5: a little bit about that, Yeah.
Speaker 6: For sure.
Speaker 7: So I mean, like I said earlier, Suka, it's Sanskrit
Speaker 7: for a person's blissa is joy in happiness, and I
Speaker 7: chose succer because that's what I feel that every person
Speaker 7: on this planet deserves to feel. And how often are
Speaker 7: you properly one hundred percent truly authentically yourself and happy
Speaker 7: in that space? So that's where I've landed on that name,
Speaker 7: and essentially I've started the podcast because that's that's step
Speaker 7: one really where I just share my knowledge and hope
Speaker 7: for everyone to find that space and feel comfortable in
Speaker 7: that space. And yeah, I just want to share my
Speaker 7: knowledge in how to do life, you know, because life
Speaker 7: is hard to navigate and not everyone can afford therapy.
Speaker 7: But I've been there and I've done it, and I
Speaker 7: am so addicted and I'm obsessed with wellness and finding
Speaker 7: who you are and living a good and happy life.
Speaker 7: So I just wanted to create a platform for that.
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of living a good and healthy, happy life,
Speaker 4: I saw that you have recently started a sobriety journey,
Speaker 4: which was super interesting to Matt and I because we
Speaker 4: did an episode and we were talking about, like, you know,
Speaker 4: we feel like we've just been binge drinking through our
Speaker 4: whole twenties, Like what memories do we have where we're
Speaker 4: not piss I could on.
Speaker 2: That all the time. Every memory I have is also
Speaker 2: pissed you.
Speaker 6: So fucking yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And we had like a massive outreach from our
Speaker 4: audience and everyone was like, yeah, I can relate. Like
Speaker 4: Australian culture is so much based around drinking and binge drinking,
Speaker 4: and you know, it would be super interesting just to
Speaker 4: hear how you got to this place where you decided
Speaker 4: to be sober.
Speaker 7: Yeah, totally. I think it's a great topic because I
Speaker 7: think that we live in a society and a climate
Speaker 7: and culture that is toxic and you know, it's full
Speaker 7: of you know, alcohol is poison.
Speaker 6: It is you know.
Speaker 7: And I was always like the party girl, the fun one.
Speaker 7: If there was like a party or an event, Beck
Speaker 7: had to be there. Beck hat to be front and center,
Speaker 7: and Beck had to be the life of the party.
Speaker 7: And so I was going out every weekend and then
Speaker 7: you know, paying for it the next day. Obviously, you know,
Speaker 7: hangovers get worse as you get old, suspending every Sunday,
Speaker 7: just sort of glued to the couch and as well
Speaker 7: with you know, sugar babying as well.
Speaker 6: Going on those dates, there's always whatever.
Speaker 7: Drink you want, whatever you want, it's there, so there's
Speaker 7: always unlimited champagne, cocktails, whatever, and you know, so you
Speaker 7: would drink a lot on those dates, and you might
Speaker 7: drink after a stressful date work. And I found myself
Speaker 7: in this habit where I was drinking nearly every day
Speaker 7: and I just got to a point where I just
Speaker 7: couldn't do it anymore. And I just felt every single
Speaker 7: Sunday I like hate myself. Why did I drink so much?
Speaker 7: Like I'm just wasting my day away here on the couch.
Speaker 5: Suppresses you, Yeah, I said that the other day and
Speaker 5: I was like, this suppresses you. I want to stop
Speaker 5: drinking as much as I do. Yeah, it stopped your
Speaker 5: creative juice is flowing and.
Speaker 6: All that stuff. Yeah, it does.
Speaker 7: So it's the only drug really that we know of
Speaker 7: that can that is actually a depressant. You're better off
Speaker 7: getting on the bags. It's not going to rob you
Speaker 7: as much serotonin in your mind, and it is the
Speaker 7: alcohol that makes you super depressed. And I just found
Speaker 7: myself at a pointment I was like, Okay, well, I'm
Speaker 7: going to these like therapy sessions try and get you know,
Speaker 7: less depressed in my life. And you know, I'm taking
Speaker 7: anti anxiety medications. We also know that alcohol can increase
Speaker 7: your anxiety. So I was like, well, hang on just
Speaker 7: a second. How can I be taking these methods to
Speaker 7: not feel this way, but then almost every day fuel
Speaker 7: myself with the poison that's making me feel that way.
Speaker 7: It seems very counterproductive. And I just went, you know what,
Speaker 7: I need to learn to love myself enough to do
Speaker 7: this for myself and do what's right for my body
Speaker 7: and just say no more. Because moderating just was and
Speaker 7: it wasn't for me. I could not moderate my drinking.
Speaker 6: How long have you been so before five and a
Speaker 6: half months?
Speaker 7: I think it's like one hundred and sixty.
Speaker 5: When you go out, do you think people judge you
Speaker 5: on it? Because I know last night I had a
Speaker 5: work breakup and I wasn't drinking. I'm trying to stay
Speaker 5: away from drinking unless like it's I don't know if
Speaker 5: I pick and choose, you know, I'm trying to weave
Speaker 5: off at everywhere, as in like a month ago, I
Speaker 5: would just drunk at every event I go to, and
Speaker 5: people like, Oh, don't be like that, like.
Speaker 2: It's a breakup.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hate that sort of mentality as well. I'm just
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up. I'm twenty seven. If I don't
Speaker 2: want to drink, I don't want to drink.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Really do you find that people judge you in that
Speaker 2: when you do?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: I think you put it really well when you said
Speaker 7: peer pressure, right, like people do try and like.
Speaker 6: Press you like and people so shocked right now, what
Speaker 6: do you.
Speaker 5: Mean, why is it their business? Yeah, I've ever pear
Speaker 5: pressured anyone into drinking.
Speaker 4: I'm just it's just a cultural normal. It is culture
Speaker 4: like it's abnormal to not be drinking. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 4: people can't wrap there because they're like, does that mean
Speaker 4: you're not going to have fun?
Speaker 1: Does that mean you're leaving early? Like all of these things?
Speaker 7: And that was, Yeah, that was a super big worry
Speaker 7: that I had going into my sobriety journey, Like I'm
Speaker 7: not going to be the fun one anymore. No one's
Speaker 7: gonna want to hang around me. But you know, I
Speaker 7: read this really good post the other day that said
Speaker 7: alcohol is the only drug that you're the one that's
Speaker 7: not normal if you don't do it, you know, like
Speaker 7: if you were if it was any other drug or
Speaker 7: any other toxic substance, people wouldn't judge you.
Speaker 6: People wouldn't try and make you do it right.
Speaker 7: People are gonna be like, here, you better take some methamphetamines,
Speaker 7: like you do you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: But you know, it's just society. And I think that people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, counter, you know, yeah, goodbye.
Speaker 4: Government's making all that cash money on the tags, yeah
Speaker 4: you goodbye?
Speaker 2: Like how the drugs, I'm sure people, But.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I truly believe that there will be
Speaker 7: a time in the future well where alcohol will be
Speaker 7: looked back upon in the same way that sirets are,
Speaker 7: like there was a time where everyone's smoking inside that
Speaker 7: was just the cool, government supported thing to do because
Speaker 7: they were making bank You're right, and I think that
Speaker 7: people are starting to clock on now that it's just
Speaker 7: not good for us. It's making society sick.
Speaker 6: You know. I think, oh gosh, I can't remember.
Speaker 7: I think it was like fifty percent of domestic violence
Speaker 7: and domestic violence related deaths are associated with alcohol, Like,
Speaker 7: you have a fifty to fifty percent chance that if
Speaker 7: someone was murdered, they were drunk or intoxicated at the time. Like,
Speaker 7: can we speak a little bit louder about how much
Speaker 7: of a problem this is?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 5: So yeah, well, yeah, a lot of people do get
Speaker 5: angry or make them more angry when they drink.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it triggers you, well, like things that maybe
Speaker 4: you like haven't like spoken about, or things that you're burying.
Speaker 1: It brings it to the surface.
Speaker 6: When you're drunk. Right, it's scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7: The problem with alcohol, right is it is a substance,
Speaker 7: and this is why we love it so much. It's
Speaker 7: a substance that releases your care free you know, inhibition
Speaker 7: lubric so it just stops you from caring. And they
Speaker 7: did a study where people who are intoxicated are still
Speaker 7: very aware of what they're doing, but the difference is
Speaker 7: they just don't care anymore. So, you know, if someone
Speaker 7: gets to a point where they are angry and they
Speaker 7: do lash out at somebody, They're angry about so many
Speaker 7: different things in their life and then suddenly they've got
Speaker 7: this substance in them that is making them not care
Speaker 7: about any any consequences thank you, or repercussions that might happen,
Speaker 7: and so they do let it out be because it's
Speaker 7: inside them anyway, and it's scary.
Speaker 4: That someone's like anger and so many different things that
Speaker 4: can be affecting someone can be just targeted into one
Speaker 4: human being, or can like lash out at someone for
Speaker 4: a certain thing. I mean, without both of our excess,
Speaker 4: we've had like toxic fights and they've been alcohol field
Speaker 4: last relationship broke up in a very alcohol field way.
Speaker 4: I mean it was gonna happen, but.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, alcohol doesn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to try to stop drinking as much
Speaker 5: as I do, as often as I do, because like
Speaker 5: you said before, like when you're going on the dates
Speaker 5: and that would go to like events and there's obviously
Speaker 5: free champagne, there's free drinks as a bar tab, and
Speaker 5: it's like your natural being to be like, all right,
Speaker 5: let's take as much as I can to drink for
Speaker 5: freefe why not? But then I so like even last night,
Speaker 5: I was like, nah, I don't need to to.
Speaker 2: Mention the calories.
Speaker 5: We're going down all these mental health I got to
Speaker 5: mention the calories.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, someone's coming out, I've got the galleries.
Speaker 4: Yeah, does it make it difficult with sugaring to not drink,
Speaker 4: because obviously it would probably feel a little more comfortable
Speaker 4: if you are in a state of I don't care.
Speaker 7: One hundred percent. Yeah, it does. It does because you're
Speaker 7: fully present and you're fully aware of your thoughts and
Speaker 7: you can't just drink that juice that makes your inhibitions
Speaker 7: go away, make you not care.
Speaker 6: Right, you're there and you care.
Speaker 7: But I mean, I think I've been really lucky. So
Speaker 7: the current person that they have an arrangement with, and
Speaker 7: I you know, I'm not greedy, and I am time poor.
Speaker 7: I don't have the need to go and have any
Speaker 7: other arrangements going, you know, uncomfortable where I am. But
Speaker 7: he actually has a couple of health issues and he's
Speaker 7: been trying to get sober on and off for some
Speaker 7: time now. And then when we met, he took me
Speaker 7: out for dinner and we were talking abouts the table
Speaker 7: and said, what would you like to drink?
Speaker 6: I said, oh, I don't drink, and he said what
Speaker 6: I said, I don't drink and he.
Speaker 7: Goes fabulous, and he was so happy. And so now
Speaker 7: he's been like a month and a half sober. I think, yeah,
Speaker 7: it's been really rewarding to help him get to that point,
Speaker 7: just to help get his health in check. And yeah,
Speaker 7: he's super appreciative of me, and he genuinely says like,
Speaker 7: if it wasn't for you, then there's no way that
Speaker 7: I'd be able to get sober. And now I'm just
Speaker 7: super passionate about that too, because sometimes people just need
Speaker 7: support and they need a buddy. You know, even in
Speaker 7: AA right, if you go to Alcohol Anonymous, then you
Speaker 7: get a sponsor. If you go to the gym to
Speaker 7: stay accountable, you might get a personal trainer or get
Speaker 7: a gym buddy, you know. So people do they need
Speaker 7: a support person. And that's a big part of Super
Speaker 7: as well, is you know, to provide that platform where
Speaker 7: people can feel supported because we have you know, say
Speaker 7: in the first episode we'll talk about a topic, if
Speaker 7: that topic is relatable to an alcoholic event or something
Speaker 7: like that, then we have the last part of the
Speaker 7: episode is Super Sober, where we'll talk about that topic
Speaker 7: in relation to alcohol. So it's just that public platform
Speaker 7: that allows people to come and feel like they fit
Speaker 7: into a connection and be really nice to start sobriety
Speaker 7: Groups for women is something that I'm really passionate about
Speaker 7: because I've been to an AA meeting. So I thought, Okay,
Speaker 7: I want to quit alcohol. None of my friends want
Speaker 7: to quit, but I have this problem, like this toxic
Speaker 7: lifestyle that I needed to get rid of. How we're
Speaker 7: going to do it? So I went to an AA
Speaker 7: meeting and I wanted to It was so shit.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. AA is a
Speaker 7: really great space and it's helped.
Speaker 6: A lot of people.
Speaker 7: But is anything the movie It's exactly like the movie.
Speaker 2: Imagine being pretty Gream.
Speaker 6: It was very groom. It was in a.
Speaker 2: Church hall and characters.
Speaker 7: Yeah, some characters and a lot of them are there
Speaker 7: because you know, they drank their house and their family away.
Speaker 7: They were, you know, wake up and have vodka for breakfast.
Speaker 7: And I'm really lucky I've never fallen into that. But
Speaker 7: I'm sitting around Everyone's like, Hi, my name's Mad and
Speaker 7: I'm an alcoholic, and I just don't feel comfortable using
Speaker 7: that term or that word. I don't feel that I
Speaker 7: was an alcoholic, although I'm sure some people might label
Speaker 7: it as that. Any Apparently, statistically, any more than nine
Speaker 7: units of alcohol per week any more than four units
Speaker 7: that time. Yeah, I know, I know, if you want
Speaker 7: to get into technicality. Yeah, so the AA space was
Speaker 7: just a little bit grim, and it would just be
Speaker 7: nice to create a space of like empowering each other
Speaker 7: to support and live a more authentic and healthy live.
Speaker 4: And good on you for doing that with your podcast.
Speaker 4: It's amazing and it's great to like have that space
Speaker 4: and really like relate lots of different issues to alcohol
Speaker 4: because alcohol affects so many parts of our lives totally.
Speaker 7: I think you know, if you're happy, you drink, right,
Speaker 7: you're celebrating, you drink. You just recently go engage, right,
Speaker 7: just like yeah.
Speaker 6: Share pain.
Speaker 7: But then also if you're sad, you drink, if you're
Speaker 7: anxious to drink, like, it's just it's everywhere.
Speaker 5: I was just thinking about it when you're saying that
Speaker 5: literally before as you're talking, and I was in my head.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about like drinking at the wedding this
Speaker 5: weekend that I've got, and I was like, I was like, well,
Speaker 5: maybe I don't drink as much of it. I was like,
Speaker 5: but you're celebrating one of my best mate's weddings, And
Speaker 5: I was like it sort of goes hand in hand,
Speaker 5: doesn't it, Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like, I think I've just got to a point where
Speaker 4: I'm like I can do a balance, Like I can
Speaker 4: go celebrate someone's wedding and I can have like fight
Speaker 4: four or five drinks, not getting to nine, four or
Speaker 4: five drinks and like have the best time. Ever. It's
Speaker 4: when I go past five that shit starts to get sloppy, triggering, anxious,
Speaker 4: all of yea of emotions, and like, I feel like
Speaker 4: we can find a.
Speaker 2: Balance, find a balance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I was thinking then as well. Another point
Speaker 5: was you said that you drink if you're sad or
Speaker 5: depressed and the truth, But no, I don't. The other day,
Speaker 5: like after the week I've had, I need to have
Speaker 5: a drink, And I was like, that's literally not my
Speaker 5: first thought, Like after the week I've had, I want
Speaker 5: to go like gym or like just watch a movie
Speaker 5: and chill out. I don't associate drinking with sad thoughts
Speaker 5: and depression.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I feel the same way. But then if
Speaker 4: I'm going through like a toxic breakup, I turned to
Speaker 4: alcohol food for thought, Food for thought.
Speaker 6: But it's different for everybody.
Speaker 2: Right, this is true.
Speaker 7: Yeah, one size fits all. Everybody's experience is different.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, But thank you so much for coming into the
Speaker 4: studio so much pleasure, thank you for being so open,
Speaker 4: thank you for educating us. I feel like I've just
Speaker 4: seen schooled and like I'm so like happy.
Speaker 1: It's been great to have you on.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: We've been wanting to just walk about this topic for
Speaker 5: a while now, and we're happy we got you as
Speaker 5: our guest to talk about it.
Speaker 6: You're very insightful and good luck on your podcast. Thanks guy,
Speaker 6: Thank you.