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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to pitt Talk of Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, it's Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas Grand Prix week, as if One prepares for the

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Speaker 1: final tripleheader to get us to the end of the season,

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Speaker 1: and FIA race director Neil's Vitch says he was sacked

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Speaker 1: from the position suddenly ahead of one of the highest

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Speaker 1: pressure races of the season. My name's Michael Lamonato, motorsport

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Speaker 1: writer for Fox Sports Australia. It's great to have your

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Speaker 1: company and the company of my co host from Speed Cafe.

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Speaker 1: He always gambles responsibly. Imagine what you could be buying instead,

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Cash.

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Speaker 2: I problem is I spent far too much time imagining

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Speaker 2: what I could be buying instead. This is why I

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Speaker 2: can't have nice things. You can imagine them, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: imagine very, very vividly. The problem is I'll indulge you

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Speaker 2: with a guilty pleasure of mine. At the moment. Hot

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Speaker 2: Wheels going to release this F one stream next year,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know of those out there thatrently into

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Speaker 2: hoot Was. I'm not a collected by any stretch, but

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Speaker 2: they currently sell lotus forty nines and I don't know, Michael,

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Speaker 2: she probably can't quite see on my camera, but just

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Speaker 2: over my shoulder here, I've got about forty of them.

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Speaker 2: For forty of them, I'm trying to get forty nine

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Speaker 2: lotus forty nine. That's where all my money goes. And okay,

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Speaker 2: they're not the most expensive thing in the world, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've got about I've got nearly fifty lotus forty nine

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Speaker 2: imagine more vividly.

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Speaker 1: That is extremely specific, extremely specific.

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Speaker 2: It was. It was. It was voted the greatest racing

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Speaker 2: car of all time. You go, just pick up a

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Speaker 2: small handful.

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Speaker 1: No, I guess looking at a whole packet. It is

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Speaker 1: very It's the most visual podcast I think I ever

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Speaker 1: been involved in. I'll paint the picture for you. Is

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Speaker 1: that's brilliant. Now here we go, Oh, we've got quite

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Speaker 1: We've got several packets of the five four A packet there.

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Speaker 2: One, two, three, and four. There's seven there, so there

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Speaker 2: must be there must be twenty odd just in that group.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw because of this. You know, Formulae has

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Speaker 1: a bit of a hot wheeled partnership, as you mentioned

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Speaker 1: a post on social media about how the hot Wheels

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Speaker 1: cars is way off topic, isn't it. I have become

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Speaker 1: decreasingly detailed as time has worn on because and I

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Speaker 1: remember this because you know, I was a kid. I

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Speaker 1: had some hot Wheels cars and if you slipped them

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Speaker 1: the outline molded in of drive train one the various

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Speaker 1: parts of the underneath of the car. But increasingly now

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Speaker 1: if you buy a new one, it's just sort of

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Speaker 1: like a flat surface underneath. Yes, there you go. I

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Speaker 1: can't really see any detail on the one who.

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Speaker 2: Show detail mate, it's just a flat bit of I

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Speaker 2: think I think it might be plastic. Yeah, I was

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Speaker 2: always a matchbox car round the hotel. Maybe I like

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Speaker 2: I like the real cars rather than the fictitious ones exactly.

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Speaker 2: This has been a fun, fun Formula one podcast so far.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, well, you know, people want people need to

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Speaker 1: be east back in. We've had two weekends off. People

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Speaker 1: want to feel like it's a slow and steady transition.

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Speaker 1: that long. We'll catch you up with all the news

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Speaker 1: you might have missed in the last ten days or

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Speaker 1: so since the previous podcast. And let's start with the

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Speaker 1: Monaco Grand Prix, which has earned a six year contract

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Speaker 1: extension that'll take it to the end of twenty thirty one.

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Speaker 1: But it's had to make a key concession on its

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sort of in two minds about this.

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't mind the new day. I'm a traditionalist.

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Speaker 1: on to staff personnel now, and Aston Martin and its

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Speaker 1: technical director or former technical director, Dan Fellows have parted

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Speaker 2: This is interesting. I got wind of this over the

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Speaker 2: been floating around for a while and ultimately dan Fellow's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm surprised for Arian Hondre. At least I can understand,

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Speaker 2: That's the best way to do it. Though similarly, I

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Speaker 1: about about Sergio Perez, who's been talking to GQ magazine

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Speaker 1: saying that he turned down two offers from rival teams

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Speaker 2: I'd love to know the timing around when those offers

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Speaker 2: don't understand where this doubt about William's participation in Vegas

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Speaker 1: Yes, and don't forget everything. You know, Triple Header is

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Speaker 1: or so since the last EPISOD, that is Greg maffay,

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Speaker 1: CEO Formula one Commercial Rights hold to Liberty Media, will

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Speaker 1: the company's change direction as it becomes really quite more

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Speaker 2: Well you say category level sport, but realistically it's Formula one.

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Speaker 1: look quite different. And then we can come back and

433
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Speaker 1: do a special episode of the podcast just critiquing the

434
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Speaker 1: Talision podcast. Let's talk about that championship though, because the drivers, well,

435
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Speaker 1: both championships are still up for grabs, but the drivers

436
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Speaker 1: championship could be decided this weekend in Las Vegas, and

437
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Speaker 1: wouldn't Formula One just bloody love that Lando Norris is

438
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Speaker 1: sixty two per points points behind Max Wstappen. After Las Vegas,

439
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Speaker 1: there will be sixty points remaining, which means Norris must

440
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Speaker 1: outscore Max by three points or more to keep the

441
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Speaker 1: title alive. Now, Matt, we'll talk about this before the podcast.

442
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Speaker 1: We've got probably slightly different opinions on how this is

443
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Speaker 1: going to play out in my mind, and I think

444
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Speaker 1: it's likely actually that it's not decided this weekend, just

445
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Speaker 1: because looking at the track layout and looking at Red

446
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 1: Bull's recent form. Although form has been so hard to

447
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: read this season. It's been so up and down for

448
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 1: most teams, every team except McLaren really, but you should

449
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: say that Lando Nora should finish at least a couple

450
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Speaker 1: of places ahead of Max. Withstaff on pure pace, I

451
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Speaker 1: expected to be McLaren and Ferrari at the front, then

452
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Speaker 1: Red Bull racing in that third position. Say, he's very

453
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Speaker 1: good in cold conditions though, and this is going to

454
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Speaker 1: be very cold, so who knows. Maybe that could be

455
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Speaker 1: a bit of a wild card team this weekend. But

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Speaker 1: I think Norris can get those three points. I'm certainly

457
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Speaker 1: not saying he's going to win the championship. I think

458
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Speaker 1: it'll then be decided, probably in the sprinted Katar again,

459
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Speaker 1: but I think he'll walk away from Vegas in the lead.

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Speaker 1: But you've got some good counterpoints, I think.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I looked to Asbojan and Okay. Oscar Piastre drove

462
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Speaker 2: really well to win that race for McLaren, but Sergio

463
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Speaker 2: Perez was right there towards the end as well. There

464
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Speaker 2: are strong similarities between Baku and Vegas long straits. Not

465
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Speaker 2: much in the way of sort of even meeting my

466
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Speaker 2: high speed stuff. It's largely ninety degrees stuff and comparatively

467
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Speaker 2: tight nine degree stuff. So I can see Red Bull

468
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 2: doing well. We know Max won this event last year.

469
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Speaker 2: Lando basically has to win. Lando has to finish top

470
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Speaker 2: eight or better, and then if he finishes a second

471
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Speaker 2: or third, depending where Max finishes, and if he gets

472
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Speaker 2: fast at SLAP, it's game over for Lando. I can

473
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Speaker 2: see the championship being over this weekend, and I'm saying

474
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Speaker 2: that purely because I called it weeks and weeks ago.

475
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Speaker 2: The championship will be decided in Vegas, and I stand

476
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Speaker 2: by that. I think Lando's I don't think he's given

477
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: up the fight, but he's more pragmatic about it now

478
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Speaker 2: that the Championship and the Constructors Championship is more important

479
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Speaker 2: if you're going to defend against Max, who's going to

480
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Speaker 2: show on and risk taking you both out because if

481
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 2: neither of them finish in Vegas, Max's champion. So you're

482
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Speaker 2: going to jump out of the way because you want

483
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Speaker 2: to protect the Constructors Championship advantage. You need the points

484
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Speaker 2: for that. Given where Ferrari is, and I expect Ferrari

485
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: will be strong this weekend, so I can see a

486
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Speaker 2: little bit of a little bit of elbows out action

487
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Speaker 2: from Max and just harrying that car. I think what

488
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Speaker 2: South Paolo did will come a massive shot in the arm.

489
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Speaker 2: That was an incredible drive. The more I think about it,

490
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Speaker 2: the more impressive that drave was. I sort of downplayed

491
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Speaker 2: it at the time, but I think I'm wrong in

492
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Speaker 2: that it was exemplary. Take that confidence forward that the

493
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Speaker 2: McClaren hasn't been the fastest thing in a straight line.

494
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Speaker 2: It's got changes to its rear wing that are comparatively

495
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Speaker 2: untested on this style of circuit because it's post the

496
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,199
Speaker 2: bacou changes. It does have its mini drs and all

497
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Speaker 2: that sort of jazz, So it'll be interesting to see

498
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Speaker 2: what happens. Either way, Susafan has won the championship. Whether

499
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: it's this weekend or whether it's Qatar in a week's time.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it makes a whole lot of difference.

501
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: I just like the breaking rights of being able to

502
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Speaker 2: say I told you so.

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Speaker 1: Either way, it's probably going to be decided on a Saturday,

504
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: which is weird. But well, then again, it was last year,

505
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Speaker 1: so let's talk just to go back, well, not to

506
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Speaker 1: go back to Brazil per se, but I think the

507
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Speaker 1: effect of that race was interesting on the constructors Championship

508
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: because that's the championship that is very much alive and

509
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: is probably going to take us all the way to

510
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: Abu Dabil. The McLaren is close to having a full

511
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: race worth of points advantage over Ferrari because I was

512
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Speaker 1: comparatively underwhelming in Brazil in the wed at least compared

513
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Speaker 1: to its recent form. McClaren now leads Ferrari by thirty

514
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Speaker 1: six points in the Constructors Championship. It's also forty nine

515
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Speaker 1: points ahead of Red Bull Racing in third, and Mercedes

516
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: can't finish higher or lower than fourth. That season's done.

517
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Speaker 1: They may as well pack it up now and then

518
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: Aston Martin. That's a pretty comfortable lead for fifth. In

519
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: the battle between Alpine Harsen rbs all pretty close. There's

520
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: an outside chance someone could get Aston Martin if they

521
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Speaker 1: have another Brazil style thirty odd point score swing. That

522
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: remains to be seen through three races to go. But

523
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: that battle of the constructors Championships with a lot of money,

524
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: so with a lot of pride, particularly given that I

525
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: think in April no one thought anyone other than Red

526
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: Bull Racing would be winning this thing. Now the team

527
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: struggling even to race for second. This is a big

528
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Speaker 1: weekend for McLaren and Ferrari in particularly because we've already

529
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: sort of touched on this is a track that should

530
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: suit Ferrari in particular, although no Charlotte Clair has said,

531
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Speaker 1: oh like, the tire advantage might not be as big

532
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: this year because the cars much more gendle on its

533
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: ties and the cold weather might make that a little

534
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: bit different. McClaren is interesting because, like you say, the

535
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: rear wing that had worked so well in Azerbaijan won't

536
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: be the same rear wing they use this weekend. But

537
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: Red Bull full of confidence. I think, in particular the

538
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: fact that max for Staffen one with such ease on

539
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 1: Sunday in Brazil, and even in the sprint on Saturday

540
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,239
Speaker 1: was competitive, got stuck behind Charlotte Clair. Had he not

541
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Speaker 1: been may well have been able to win that race

542
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Speaker 1: as well. Could we be seeing a late resurgence from

543
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: Red Bull Racing here? Is it too late to win

544
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: the constructors Championship? Is it really just second place they're

545
00:26:58,880 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: aiming for now?

546
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 2: Going to be the second place that best? Doesn't it?

547
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: It's that far down, you know, forty nine points. It's

548
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: not again mathematically it's it's possible, but you're relying on

549
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: four cars ahead of you, having three comparatively poor weekends.

550
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: Just having like a spreadsheet that I've got here and

551
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: I can't think of a weekend where McLaren has not

552
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 2: delivered strong points all weekend or just having a quick look.

553
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 2: I think the fewest points I've scored all weekend was

554
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: fourteen in China. That's the worst weekend I've had all season.

555
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: Red Bulls worst was eight points in round eight whatever whatever.

556
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: That was also eight points in round twenty. So what

557
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,959
Speaker 2: was the one before Southlia Mexico?

558
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: My surgery didn't score, which is normally the common denomination.

559
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: Ouch, that's the truth. Yea, it is true. And look,

560
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: I ran a piece on Speak Cafe today that Sergio's

561
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: performance is going to cost Red Book thirty million dollars.

562
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 2: This is what we say about You know, the Constructors

563
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: Championship is worth money, in significant amounts of money. Exactly

564
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 2: how much depends. It's based on a calculation off of

565
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: Formula one's projected revenues. We can safely predict that that'll

566
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: be something like about one point seven billion dollars next year.

567
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, the difference between finishing first

568
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: in the Championship, for which you get fourteen percent of

569
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: the prize spot versus third, which you get twelve point

570
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: two percent of the prize spot, works out to be

571
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: about thirty million dollars, which also turns out to be

572
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: about what Sergio Perez's commercial backers bring to the team,

573
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 2: So he's also now not really contributing either on the

574
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Speaker 2: financial standpoint.

575
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of kid cats, isn't it.

576
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: So that's a lot of kickouts, a lot of mobile

577
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: phonecations of that deals then, isn't it so it's a

578
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: lot of hot wheels. There's a lot of other spreading lines.

579
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: Let me just do quick maths. But and that's the

580
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, looking at at this on my projections, McLaren

581
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: shouldn't win the championship this year. It's looking at more

582
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: than two hundred and twenty million dollars in prize money

583
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: next year by my rough maths. So obviously that depends on

584
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: Formula one's earnings. But yeah, two hundred and twenty six

585
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: ish million dollars in prize money. That's more than the

586
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: cost cap. The top seven team should actually have the

587
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: cost cap paid to them in prize money. But even still,

588
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 2: you want as much money as you can because there's

589
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: other things that you can use that on the hospitality marketing,

590
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: all those sorts of things.

591
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: Let's move on now, Matt, not entirely, because Las Vegas

592
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: is still very much on the horizon for all of us,

593
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: but stepping back a little bit to some drama in

594
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: the FIA that's been bubbling along really ever since President

595
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: Mohammed Bensalon was elected a couple of years ago. Now,

596
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the twenty twenty one ABB Grand Prix,

597
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: but ahead of the Las Vegas Grand Prix race, Director

598
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: neil's Vitch has left the race directorship. Now the FIA spun.

599
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: This is stepping down to pursue new opportunities. One of

600
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: the great lines in hr Hes since told German language

601
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: Motorsport magazine that he did not resign, that he was sacked.

602
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: No one's entirely sure why. It'd certainly come out of

603
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: the blue, that much is absolutely certain. Maybe maybe you

604
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: know some whispers of a little bit of tension at

605
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: the top there, but certainly no one expected this to

606
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: be moving with three races still to go, and certainly

607
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: not ahead of the Las Vegas Grand Prix, surely one

608
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: of the highest pressure races in which to be in

609
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: race control, if not just because it's only the second

610
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: running of this race, and we all remember how difficult

611
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: it was to manage the race last year, not least

612
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: because of the exploding drain cover obliterated Carlos Sciences car

613
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: and of course, most importantly the swearing in the press

614
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: conference subsequent to that. This is gonna be the fourth

615
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: race director in as many years. Of course, Michael Massi

616
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: in twenty one, Nils Vitisch was in twenty twenty two,

617
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: along with Eduardo Fretas, who left at the end of

618
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: that year. And now in twenty twenty four we'll have

619
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: Roy Marquz, who's the Formula two and Formula three race

620
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: director promoted this weekend to Formula one. Not sure if

621
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: that means he's also actually gonna be doing F two

622
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: and F three and Katar and Abu Dhabi the last

623
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: two or only F two rather and Kato and Abu

624
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Dhabi the last two rounds of that championship. But that's

625
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: a question for next week, I suppose. And things are

626
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: moving so quickly at the FIA, but it's not exactly

627
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: a great look culminating with Nils Vitich leaving the organization.

628
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: Considering just how many high profile people have left in

629
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: the last twelve months.

630
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: It's not a great look, particularly when you look at

631
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: the history of the race director role in that usually

632
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: has been pretty stable prior to Michael mass Let's not

633
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: forget Michael MASSI inherited that job when Charlie Whiting sadly

634
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: died over the days prior to the Australian Grand Primum.

635
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: Was that twenty.

636
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: Nineteen, I think, wow, that long ago.

637
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: There you go, But Charlie Whiting had been in that

638
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 2: role for twenty twenty five years or something. It was

639
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: some extraordinary period. And before him, Buncher Ryder was also

640
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: in that role for a long time, going back into

641
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: the eighties. So you know, for thirty years we had

642
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: sort of two race directors and now in four years

643
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: we've had four race directors. There's been no obvious mistakes.

644
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: It was a little bit wobbly from vitic when he

645
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: first took over, but there's been no obvious mistakes. You know,

646
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: he's not impacted the outcome of a race or completely

647
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 2: screwed something up or made, you know, controversial decisions. So

648
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: what's happened behind closed doors? Because this can't be performance related,

649
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: can it?

650
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: No, you wouldn't have thought so, particularly not in the

651
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: context of Okay, Michael Massi. It all came down to

652
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: Avid hab twenty twenty one. Had been tensioned with the

653
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: teams before that. I still think that while the FIA's

654
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: own report afterwards found that he wasn't sufficiently supported in

655
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: the role, but they used him as a scapegoat anyway.

656
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,239
Speaker 1: Maybe because of the tensions with the team's just made

657
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: that easy. Arduado Freds left after the Japanese Grand Prix

658
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two, in which you might remember Pierre

659
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: Gazzi was released onto the track not in red flag conditions,

660
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: just before red flag conditions, while there was a tractor

661
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: on the track in monsoon rain, extremely dangerous situation. He

662
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: was forced to pay the price for that. Neils Wit

663
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: did she like you say, no obvious trigger for this.

664
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: I do want to go back to, Oh goodness me,

665
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: the Michael Massi situation, not abu dab twenty twenty one.

666
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: Don't panic, but that finding that he was not sufficiently

667
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: supported by the FIA, because for me, this is kind

668
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: of the core of the problem. Charlie Whiting's long tenure

669
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: was obviously earned, but the role evolved with him over

670
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: the twenty odd years he was in that position. He

671
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: kind of made the race directorship also safety delegate ship,

672
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: if we can call it that, a role he made

673
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: his own that is tied to being the race director

674
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 1: as well. His workload was quite significant, but he was

675
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: able to manage that because he kind of invented it

676
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: all for himself as the sport grew and evolved, So

677
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: he really was those roles to throw first of all.

678
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: Michael Massey in he was being trained up to take

679
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: that position, but he wasn't near the completion of that

680
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: apprenticeship because obviously Charlie Whitings, he said, tragically died so

681
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: suddenly and unexpectedly was thrown into that had to learn

682
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: as he went also during the pandemic. That can't have

683
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: been very easy. And despite the FIA finding after his

684
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: tenure that he needed more support, invented this remote race

685
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,720
Speaker 1: control that we very rarely hear about, and at certain

686
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: times I've certainly thought we probably could afford to hear about,

687
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: because there have been times it feels like it could

688
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: have been needed to intervene more strongly. I've never got

689
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: the sense that actually race control has changed that much.

690
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: The pressure remains really quite great. Certainly we learned that

691
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: with Eduardo Fratis and the way the Japanese Grand Prix

692
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: was handled that year. Maybe some incidents this year, but

693
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: nothing really controvert nothing beyond the remit of what is

694
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: normal regulatory controversy in any sport. You can never make

695
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: everyone happy when you're running a sport. But it still

696
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: feels to me that we're going to get this churn.

697
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: Regardless of whatever is the reason that visage is left.

698
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: There's could have been some kind of tension. But we're

699
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: going to get churned for whatever the reason for as

700
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: long as this role remains so big and the preparation

701
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: for it is so sleeem I think it's ironic. Actually,

702
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: Muhammed Ben Slam told Alto Sport last year. I think

703
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: it was he recognized that you can't just buy race

704
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: directors from Amazon, I think was what he said. They're

705
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: rare and they're hard to groom, and getting rid of

706
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: one and promoting one suddenly it's a big step up

707
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: from the junior categories to Formula one. I think only

708
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: exacerbates the problem. And I think we're only going to

709
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 1: get to a position we're going to have more rotation,

710
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: which does not serve anyone in the.

711
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: Sport, particularly when if you look at the F one

712
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: steward side of things and they're talking about bringing in

713
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: some consistent stewards because the rotation is introducing consistency. I mean,

714
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 2: that's that's a debate that's been had many, many, many

715
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: times over over the years, and there's arguments for and

716
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: against it. I don't really care one way or the

717
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: other which way it goes, but the race director is

718
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 2: a significant member of the Formula one community. And the

719
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Formula one paddock. When Charlie Whiting was doing it is

720
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 2: last season twenty eighteen, there were twenty one Girls Prix.

721
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 2: When he took over, there was sixteen, maybe seventeen, depending

722
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: which year it was. So over the years the job

723
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: grew just as a race director side of things. He

724
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: was also doing circuit inspections and a number of other

725
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: things that Michael Massey took on as well. So you'll

726
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: imagine you've been doing a job for ten years and

727
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: you get a little bit more responsibility. It's not difficult.

728
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: Then you get a little bit more it's not difficult,

729
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: and you just build up, and then you eventually move

730
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: on for one reason or another. The next guy comes

731
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: in and suddenly what wasn't especially difficult but a pretty

732
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: busy job for you is just absolutely untenable. I wonder

733
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: if there's a degree burnout involved. Let's also remember that

734
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: Protest and Vitage were NBS appointments, so something has also

735
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 2: changed in that relationship. I wonder if there was a

736
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: bit of pushback from Vitage saying that I'm a race director,

737
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: I manage things, or pushback in some of the other

738
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: elements of the FIA, and perhaps what the governing body

739
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: wanted of him, because doing twenty four races a year

740
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 2: is a huge, huge commitment. I'll do a good third

741
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: of that this year, and a toilet takes is significant.

742
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: To travel involved, the time away from home, the sacrifices

743
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: you make with family. It's huge to do this. And yes,

744
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: we're in the greatest sport in the world, but you

745
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: can't turn your nose off at the fact that this

746
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: is people's lives. I don't know what the cause is.

747
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: Remarkas is he's been put in there pretty quickly. I

748
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: have not heard bad things about him, But at the

749
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: same time, he's not done anything like Formula one before.

750
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 2: There is nothing like Formula one, even the Warden Durants Championship.

751
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: We saw that with Fratus. They're very different beasts because

752
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: you're going from a handful of professionals and a group

753
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: of amateurs to ten hyper competitive teams that know the

754
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: rules inside out better than you do and will exploit

755
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 2: every little chick in the armor of those regulations. So

756
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: it's a very very different beast. And again, like I

757
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: said with MAFE, this one just doesn't pass the sniff test.

758
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think thinking about how Roy's going to

759
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: be taking over this weekend. Two championships still live. Regardless

760
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: of what you think about the Drivers' Championship, it is

761
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: still up for grabs and the teams will fight till

762
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: the finish. You don't have to look back at when

763
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: the Constructive Championship plays a role in this as well.

764
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: But Red Bulls response to the use of red flags

765
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: in Brazil really dialed it up to ten between Christian

766
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: Horne and Max withstaff and this new race director will

767
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: be subjected to that pressure if anything like that happens

768
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: again in Las Vegas. And then you do consider the

769
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: Constructors Championship. Not only the three leading teams, but the

770
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: midfield teams arguably have even more reason to fight because

771
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: every million dollars is worth more to them consideringly incomes

772
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: a relatively less and that fight is going down to

773
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: the why because it's only three or four points between

774
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: most of them. It's a high pressure situation. There could

775
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: not be a worse way to jump into Formula One

776
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: with no formal handover, no transition, no apprenticeship, with three

777
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: back to back races, I mean, fire him might already

778
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: be looking forward to the end of the season. I

779
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: think regardless of how big a step it is, and

780
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's pleased to be able to call himself

781
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: a Formula One race director, but also just in the

782
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: context of the way all this is unfolded, it can't

783
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: be a great way to take that position. And this

784
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: weekend let's not forget as well. The follow up is

785
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: going to be on the Grand Prix Drivers Association letter,

786
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: which we talked about in the last podcast. The team's

787
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: really clapping back at FI president in particularly with at

788
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: THEFI in general about the way that the sport is

789
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: administered when it comes to drivers and fines and punishments

790
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: and all those kinds of things. That's going to become

791
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: a major talking point this weekend. That's going to put

792
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: the new to race director on the spot as well.

793
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: He's going to have his first drivers briefing. It probably

794
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: it's going to be something like one am on Saturday

795
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: morning or Friday morning, whenever it is. It's just going

796
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: to be a difficult transition. So look, hopefully it all

797
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 1: goes smoothly, but then again, last years Las Vegas Grand

798
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: Prix was anything but smooth. That's amount of next week's podcast.

799
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: They will wrap up Las Vegas Grand Prix. Matt, let's

800
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: get to the alternative Championship, the most important part of

801
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: the podcast.

802
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: That's what you've all been hanging out for, isn't it.

803
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, right, the alternative Championship where the points

804
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: are just made up and don't really matter. I'm going

805
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: to kick it off, and I think I've been quite

806
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 2: sensible with my picks this week, and probably a little

807
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: bit too sensible, but we'll go with it. I'm going

808
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: to give ten points to start with to Stefano dominic Canti. Okay,

809
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: that's nice because I think what he's done with the

810
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: calendar makes a lot of sense. I don't you know.

811
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: I've said my piece about Monaco, but it makes sense

812
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: to regionalize some of that stuff, get some more of

813
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: deficiency there. It just makes life easier on everyone. There's

814
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: a lot of work that's got into this. I know

815
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: Canada was particularly stubborn, so I think for Stefano to

816
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: get that across the line, I think that's that's worth

817
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: a couple of points.

818
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a long project, isn't it. Managing race

819
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: calendar slots are not the work of the moment because

820
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: contracts are often so long and the Liberty Media is

821
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: locked in quite a few long term contracts now as well,

822
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: so the margins for changes are probably relatively narrow these days.

823
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 1: The only outline now is Singapore sitting on its own.

824
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: I do like in the press release announcing Canada is

825
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: going to move and they're going to have your double

826
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: header in America. Then all Europe they like, and then

827
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: of course we go to Azerbaijahan, which precedes Singapore the

828
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: logical back to back. But anyway, look we'll forgive them

829
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: that one because that's just how Singapore has always been.

830
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: But it is, it's a great move. I think I'm

831
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: a great fan of it. I'm going to start in

832
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: the traditional way by taking some points off. Fourteen points

833
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,959
Speaker 1: off Sergio Perez for the interview he gave to GQ

834
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: magazine in which he said rumors about his future, we're

835
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: down to and I quote one two bad races. So

836
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: that's a point off for every bad race he's forgotten

837
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: about this year.

838
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. Well, fairness, it has only been

839
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: one or two races. The problem is it's been seven

840
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: or eight times, so yeah, that makes it there's only

841
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: fourteen bad races. He's had. It feels like a lot

842
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: more than that.

843
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a long season. It should have been

844
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: more than that. I guess were only up to round

845
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: twenty one. He had five or six good runs at

846
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: the start of the year.

847
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: We'll let him off. We'll let him off. Actually, you

848
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: know what, No, we won't because i'ming to take some

849
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: more points off him.

850
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: Here we go.

851
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 2: It's just Ja Barrier's pylon. In fairness, I've not been

852
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 2: quite as dracroning as yourself. I'm only going to take

853
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: two points off him, one for each contract he knocked back.

854
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: Are we convinced the contracts were there? Though? Maybe some

855
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: two ghost points?

856
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: He didn't say the contracts were in their one Did

857
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: you say they were?

858
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: It could have just been cleaning contracts, could be commercial contracts,

859
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: have been new sponsors they didn't want. They clashed with

860
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: KitKat Mars. No way get away from here.

861
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't prepared to take a.

862
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: Break, saying very good staying in the red Bull family.

863
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to give some points. Going to give forty

864
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: seven points to Liam Lawson for suggesting that McLaren really

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00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: should be playing the New Zealand national anthem after weeks

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00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: founder Bruce McLaren. Yes, a big found this forty seven

867
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: point has been forty seven years since New Zealand adopted

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00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: is it? God defend New Zealand over the anthems call

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00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: these days? And I like this. I understand why it

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00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: doesn't happen obviously, because the anthem is just based on

871
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: wherever the team buys it takes out its racing license.

872
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: Red Bull chooses to take one out in Austria and

873
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: so it gets the Austrian national anthem and so on.

874
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: But I like it.

875
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, I think the history of the McLaren teams

876
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: a little bit underrated. I think a lot of it

877
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: and I understand why because team because Ron Dennis started

878
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: the car current incarnation of McLaren and he's extremely Brittish.

879
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: But the history of the you know, he is a

880
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: New Zealand national icon and I think it's a shame

881
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: that the has been broken. Yes, but all the teams

882
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: are British, then we shouldn't.

883
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: Have It was founded and operated out of out of

884
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: the UK since inception was Red Bull, that was what

885
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: was that Stuart back in the day. But either way,

886
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: what you'll be doing putting in the New Zealand national

887
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: anthem on McLaren will be trying to rewrite whitewash history.

888
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 2: You're trying to make it something it's not. Okay, the

889
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: founder of it might have been a ki We, but

890
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: the nationality of the founder is irrelevant when it comes

891
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: to the nationality of the company. So there's a British team. Yeah,

892
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: I look, I disagree with that.

893
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: I understand the logic.

894
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 2: I don't mind laws, laws and being nationalistic. That's fantastic wholeheartedly,

895
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: you know, down for a bit of patriotism. It's not

896
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 2: like where immune to it here, not by on that

897
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 2: one not buying lego.

898
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: This might be the most controversial entry on the championship table.

899
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: You know what, I was going to take ten points.

900
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: I was going to take ten points off f one

901
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: for the lord concept it is. I'm going to take

902
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: forty seven points off you for tabling that suggests.

903
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 1: Okay, that's okay, they're going to take them off.

904
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: Lass No, no leaves in times he's wrong, he's in,

905
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:23,959
Speaker 2: but he's wrong.

906
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: But I know it's Indefenbbly Top ten with minus it's defensible.

907
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely that outrageous minus forty seven points of Michael Lemonart.

908
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,760
Speaker 1: That's your third picks.

909
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: It was the last minute pivot. I was going to

910
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: take points off the F one launch, which you haven't

911
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: discussed at all, which is finely correct. Here we go.

912
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: How many points am I going to lose? Now?

913
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I stick the course come up until

914
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: be in a future episodes. I'm taking ninety nine points

915
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: off Toto Wolf for saying in the book Inside Mercedes

916
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: has been recently released I think or will be released soon,

917
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: that Lewis Hamilton's sudden departure from the team was bad

918
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: because he possibly missed out on negotiating with other drivers

919
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: who had signed contracts a few weeks earlier, like Charlott

920
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: Clair and Lando Norris, despite Carlo Science obviously becoming instantly

921
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: available at that time, but then also simultaneously claiming that

922
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: Lewis hamilton leaving was actually a good thing because he

923
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: didn't have to sack him himself. So he hasn't chosen,

924
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: hasn't chosen a narrative clearly and concisely, so he gets

925
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: fifty five plus forty four points off. That's ninety nine points.

926
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be careful where he gets those splinters on

927
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: that fence. It's just typical politics. Really. You know, if

928
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: you say one thing, you've got to say the other

929
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: thing in that way, you can take it to me

930
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 2: whatever you want, and he's not actually said anything. Yeah,

931
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: that book will be interesting reading. I'm not sure how

932
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: much weight I'll put into it because it's I think

933
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: there will be a lot of pr in that book.

934
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it is an insider's guide, isn't it.

935
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Speaker 1: So yeah, it might be interesting. I mean I've already

936
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: found this a little bit interesting. He's taking two different positions.

937
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's something that'll be unraveled also over the

938
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Speaker 1: next three races, because that'll be when people will be

939
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: able to be asked about Lewis Hamilton's shelf life to

940
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: quote Toto Wolf. But maybe matter for a future podcast

941
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: because that's all the time we have a pit Talk today.

942
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Will be back next week to wrap up all the

943
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,880
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944
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,480
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945
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,480
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946
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,080
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947
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,200
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Speaker 1: a U and Speedcafe dot Com. From att costioned me.

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00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: Michael Lomonato, thanks very much for your company. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: you next week.