Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Mate.
Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday. Now, as we know, this is a really
Speaker 1: special week in Australia. I did up at you.
Speaker 3: But everywhere I go I see the banners in the streets.
Speaker 3: I see bunting out the front of people's houses to
Speaker 3: celebrate two years since Anthony Abenezi became the Prime minister.
Speaker 3: But you can just feel it in the air. How
Speaker 3: amazing the country is. Well, of course things have changed
Speaker 3: ever so slightly since he just won power with the
Speaker 3: lowest primary vote that they'd had in the best part
Speaker 3: of a century. The polls well, unsurprisingly they started to
Speaker 3: turn against the Prime Minister as he was more focused
Speaker 3: on spending half a billion dollars on the Voice rather
Speaker 3: than dealing with cost of living. And in actual fact, well, yes,
Speaker 3: they're leading a news poll in the turnbul Times, the Guardian.
Speaker 3: They have a poll where they actually count the number
Speaker 3: of people who don't know. I remember that number was
Speaker 3: significant ultimately when it came to being able to work
Speaker 3: out what was going to have and at that referendum
Speaker 3: last year and today on two party preferred in the Guardian,
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party is leading forty seven to forty six
Speaker 3: with six percent undecided. So in terms of that divide,
Speaker 3: what is it, Well, just four percent of men are
Speaker 3: undecided because at this stage most of them seem to
Speaker 3: be leaning the coalition's way. The problems for Labor in
Speaker 3: part are because of female voters, with almost one in
Speaker 3: ten nine percent saying they are undecided. Now that is
Speaker 3: why all of the uga booga politics will all be about,
Speaker 3: you know, Petered up in his evil Petered ut in
Speaker 3: his trumple all the rest of it right where the
Speaker 3: Liberal Party has a problem with women, despite the fact
Speaker 3: that it's the leader of the Labor Party who of
Speaker 3: course went to the domestic violence rally and well he
Speaker 3: made the women cry who were organizing it.
Speaker 1: But you know, nothing to see here.
Speaker 3: Well, of course, what was supposed to change all of
Speaker 3: that was the amazingness of the federal budget, which is
Speaker 3: now a week and a day old.
Speaker 4: It's a great potent provide cost of living support whilst also.
Speaker 1: Having that eye on the economy of the future.
Speaker 3: Now, as we know, the polls not so great because
Speaker 3: people have seen too little too late when it comes
Speaker 3: to the tax cuts average thirty six dollars. The idea
Speaker 3: of the energy rebate, which is really seventy five dollars
Speaker 3: every three months, which is really twenty five dollars every
Speaker 3: It's not amazing.
Speaker 1: It's not amazing.
Speaker 3: So what do you do when you're in a world
Speaker 3: where the cost of living relief is too little.
Speaker 1: Too late.
Speaker 3: Well, you reach for other people's money, an endless supply
Speaker 3: of abilities to turn that public opinion around. Now you
Speaker 3: may well have started seeing and hearing ads which are
Speaker 3: talking about the two little too late tax cuts. There
Speaker 3: are plenty on radio, there's a few popping around on television.
Speaker 3: But of course it's pointless because it's not like you
Speaker 3: have to apply for them.
Speaker 1: They just take place anyway.
Speaker 3: And while the big numbers that they like to put
Speaker 3: around them are that this is going to change the
Speaker 3: cost of living, the reality is that you pay your
Speaker 3: tax weekly, fortnightly, and monthly.
Speaker 1: I made the point how many times.
Speaker 3: Over, Well, guess what, There is a limitless amount of
Speaker 3: other people's money when you are trying to use taxpayers
Speaker 3: dollars to get the political effect that the government cares
Speaker 3: about you. And today Daily Telegraph broke the story that
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy two million dollars worth of other
Speaker 3: people's money is being spent by this government right now
Speaker 3: in overtly political games, political ads to tell us the
Speaker 3: silly Australian public who don't believe the government is doing
Speaker 3: the right thing certainly enough on cost of.
Speaker 1: Living that yeah, they're in our corner.
Speaker 3: The Aberdezi government is forking out more than one hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy two million dollars on spooking various government initiatives
Speaker 3: across their different portfolios, including ten million dollars to raise
Speaker 3: awarenarth about the new vehicle efficiency standards. Oh, I've got
Speaker 3: someone to say about that in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: Another ten million dollars on the net zero transition. The
Speaker 3: total figures come as Treasurer Jim Charmers has been forced
Speaker 3: to defense spending forty five million dollars on advertising for
Speaker 3: the future Made in Australia policy. Another forty million dollars
Speaker 3: on the Stage three tax cuts. Now again, public advertising
Speaker 3: should be information about public health or welfare. When it
Speaker 3: starts going on about the Australian government, who's doing this,
Speaker 3: that and the other, go to this website to learn
Speaker 3: it's not public education. It is overtly political. Story continues
Speaker 3: among the spending was ten million dollars set aside for
Speaker 3: a national communications campaign to raise the awareness of the
Speaker 3: new vehicle efficiency standard, while another ten million will be
Speaker 3: spent over two years from twenty three to twenty four
Speaker 3: to deliver public information on the net zero transition and
Speaker 3: ensure affected workers and communicate are aware of the support available.
Speaker 3: It's just all puff, but it's other people's money. And
Speaker 3: while the very significant number of people that are amongst us, well,
Speaker 3: they don't pay as close attention to the news as
Speaker 3: you and I do, because if you do, you are
Speaker 3: where the polls are. But if you just sort of
Speaker 3: pick up the vibe through the ads here here in
Speaker 3: the radio or the TV, oh my gosh, greatest government
Speaker 3: of all time, it's doing something for me. And then
Speaker 3: you actually check your bills and you realize they're doing nothing. Now,
Speaker 3: obviously this Prime Minister would not want to be at
Speaker 3: odds with what he had said when he was the
Speaker 3: opposition leader. I mean, that's not the way this guy goes.
Speaker 3: This guy is exactly the same as he was when
Speaker 3: he's in opposition. Right, like two seventy five power bills,
Speaker 3: like they lived up to that cost living to be
Speaker 3: cheaper they lived up to that, we'd be a more
Speaker 3: transparent government. They lived up to that, right, Anthony abneasy
Speaker 3: about government advertising other people's money used to promote politically
Speaker 3: the previous government, because this prime minister is addicted to
Speaker 3: spending taxpayers money as if it was liberal party money,
Speaker 3: and the ads you see from the government on TV,
Speaker 3: which are promoting liberal and National parties are paid for
Speaker 3: by the taxpayer. It was a bad idea back then,
Speaker 3: but guess what, it's not a bad idea now.
Speaker 1: Could there be a name for this type of personality
Speaker 1: trade of the prime minister.
Speaker 3: Where he's one way and then another, But it's all
Speaker 3: okay because even more gifts come his way as a
Speaker 3: result of other people's money. Don't forget this budget, and
Speaker 3: it's worth mentioning as often as possible. While you're looking
Speaker 3: down the barrel of thirty six dollars a week on
Speaker 3: a tax cut, whoo, twenty five bucks a month on
Speaker 3: power bills, they're spending four point fifty four to fifty
Speaker 3: million dollars on not one, but two brand new planes
Speaker 3: for the prime minister. Now, the Prime Minister may well
Speaker 3: end up using other people's money to advertise why it
Speaker 3: was important for him to.
Speaker 1: Have one of these planes.
Speaker 3: But one thing that I will give him for free
Speaker 3: is what he can name this new two plane airline
Speaker 3: airbus Elbow. I mean, we've got that and the logo
Speaker 3: ready for you right now. If you want other people's money,
Speaker 3: they always find a way to spend it. One hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy two million dollars on ads to tell you
Speaker 3: how amazing their policies are. While they spend what four
Speaker 3: hundred and something million dollars on planes, Oh yeah, but
Speaker 3: they're really in it for you Meantime, in the real world,
Speaker 3: cost of living still the number one issue has been
Speaker 3: since the day this government came to be, and it
Speaker 3: remained so two years after they are here now. To
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's credit, he did launch the Red Shield
Speaker 3: Appeal today. But the Red Shield Appeal and the Salvation
Speaker 3: Army which is kicking off right now, these people do
Speaker 3: incredible work. Any opportunity you can to support them in
Speaker 3: any way possible, with your time, with your money or
Speaker 3: with goods, please do so give and give very generously.
Speaker 1: To the Red Shield Appeal. Well.
Speaker 3: While the Prime ministers spend one hundred and seventy two
Speaker 3: million dollars on ads to pump his own tires, and
Speaker 3: four hundred million dollars on bran new planes to fly
Speaker 3: him in Toto around the world. A survey of fifteen
Speaker 3: hundred of the Salvation Armies financial service clients found that
Speaker 3: two thirds were often going without food so their children
Speaker 3: could eat, and one in three feared that they could
Speaker 3: lose their home and effectively become homeless. Even more strikingly,
Speaker 3: one in five were living in darkness, using candles or
Speaker 3: torches at night to save on power bills.
Speaker 1: Of course, the best they get out.
Speaker 3: Of this government twenty five dollars a month, and that's
Speaker 3: the exact same amount of money they're giving people with
Speaker 3: mansions fared income. These people also use public amenities such
Speaker 3: as bathroom's shopping centers to avoid using.
Speaker 1: Water at home.
Speaker 3: An example of a family that has had to go
Speaker 3: without before they were able to be helped by the
Speaker 3: Salvos and now are not living on the streets. The
Speaker 3: stories we're telling here because again all about the Salvos,
Speaker 3: But in the quariyer Mal the Queens, their mother is
Speaker 3: revealed that she went three days without eating to ensure
Speaker 3: her children had food. When the family found themselves homeless
Speaker 3: and forced on the streets. There were times that I
Speaker 3: had twenty dollars to feed the kids for four days,
Speaker 3: I'd actually go without something to eat and then end
Speaker 3: up going to a food bank.
Speaker 1: She's not alone.
Speaker 3: The new research by the Salvation Army, he's found sixty
Speaker 3: nine sixty nine percent of parents revealing that they would
Speaker 3: go without food so their children can eat, that being
Speaker 3: the people who access the Salvation Army. Now, our friend
Speaker 3: Joe Hildebrand was with the Prime Minister as it was
Speaker 3: all launched today. He's a big supporter of the red
Speaker 3: Shield appeal. He'll be in discussion in a moment or
Speaker 3: two time with Bromb and Bishop. Because if the reality
Speaker 3: of your prime ministership after two years of a prime
Speaker 3: ministership is that people who are accessing welfare services are
Speaker 3: literally going without eating so their kids can eat, we
Speaker 3: have a problem that no amount of other people's money
Speaker 3: can fix. And while this Prime Minister will just fly
Speaker 3: over the top of them in a brand new jet,
Speaker 3: the reality is is that this speaks to, in my view,
Speaker 3: the lack of morality about this government. Mainmetime Angus Taylor,
Speaker 3: the Shadow Treasurer. He was at the National Press Club
Speaker 3: to now, this is an away game for a liberal politician,
Speaker 3: but he was able to get through a couple of
Speaker 3: points to even the people living in the what second
Speaker 3: most livable city in the world, Canberra, About the number
Speaker 3: of people who have to pull back on things like
Speaker 3: organized sport because their kids playing team sport is too expensive.
Speaker 5: The sidelines who are quieter, the crowds thinner. When I
Speaker 5: asked why, the answer was simple but heart wrenching. Many
Speaker 5: families can no longer afford organize sport for their children.
Speaker 5: This isn't just anecdotal, it's a trend we've seen nationally.
Speaker 3: Now that was a story informedo his own experience on
Speaker 3: a netball court in Sydney. The parents who sacrifice oh
Speaker 3: so frequently is not something that is exclusively to be
Speaker 3: mentioned at the National Press Club. We talk about it
Speaker 3: here each and every night, and you may well know
Speaker 3: it as your own life, or your kid's life, or
Speaker 3: somebody who you know and loves life.
Speaker 5: While are their pride and make sacrifices. Haunted by the
Speaker 5: fear of failing to provide for their loved ones, they
Speaker 5: work extra hours and dig deeper into savings, savings which
Speaker 5: are the foundation of their future aspirations.
Speaker 1: And I will not have it heard that this government
Speaker 1: does not care.
Speaker 3: I mean they care so much that they are spending
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy two million dollars on ads for themselves.
Speaker 1: And yes, I'll mention it again, they're spending four hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty million dollars on brand new planes for the
Speaker 1: Prime minister. Oh but they care, They really care, don't they.
Speaker 1: Now the conversation about migration, what's the right number? Is
Speaker 1: there a.
Speaker 3: Goldilocke's number about the number of people coming into the country. Well,
Speaker 3: as you know, Peter Dutton is exactly where the public
Speaker 3: is where pole off the pole is constantly said that
Speaker 3: Australians want a dramatic reduction in the number of people
Speaker 3: that are coming to the country because in the years
Speaker 3: since COVID, this government has got it grossly wrong, so
Speaker 3: much so that this government's had to admit themselves that
Speaker 3: they have got it wrong. But there's another group that's
Speaker 3: out and about and telling us why any further reduction
Speaker 3: to immigration would be terrible. Well, of course that's the
Speaker 3: big business community. Big business would of course be desperately
Speaker 3: I mean, this is going to affect our.
Speaker 1: Skills space, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: None of these people wing when it's the Labor Party
Speaker 3: promising to do the same thing. But when it's Peter
Speaker 3: Dutton promising to match their cuts and go even deeper. Oh,
Speaker 3: the sky is going to fall in the big end
Speaker 3: of town is about to collapse. Well, please, any decent
Speaker 3: person understands what this is really about. It is not
Speaker 3: about robbing Australia of skilled workers. That still be one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand that would come in each year, but we
Speaker 3: wouldn't end up with the hundreds of thousands of more
Speaker 3: people who turn up, including family reunion, under this government.
Speaker 3: For his part, Peter Dutton understandably is doubling down on
Speaker 3: where he knows the people are. That when there are
Speaker 3: as many problems that come about everything from problems in
Speaker 3: our hospitals to cues for rental properties, that you don't
Speaker 3: add more people to the problem.
Speaker 6: The outrage from the usual suspects about you know why
Speaker 6: you're proposing to cut the migration program because I'm putting
Speaker 6: Australians first. That's why i want to make sure that
Speaker 6: our migration program works for our country, not against the
Speaker 6: interests of our country.
Speaker 3: And all of the people inside the bubble of the
Speaker 3: bubble of the bubble of Canberra, they say that this
Speaker 3: is ugly politics, nationalist politics, that's code for Trump politics.
Speaker 3: Perfect example is a cartoon that sums up just you know,
Speaker 3: the nuance of the argument in the City Morning Herald,
Speaker 3: where apparently the number of people that will be migrating
Speaker 3: to the country, well it gets cut and then they
Speaker 3: all fall into what a.
Speaker 1: Nuclear vat of acid.
Speaker 3: Seriously, again, none of this stuff when it was the
Speaker 3: government that was promising to cut. But because people don't
Speaker 3: believe that the government's actually going to cut, well, supprise
Speaker 3: suppose And there's actually another person who agrees with the
Speaker 3: position of Peter Dutton, and it's the Queen's Land Premier.
Speaker 3: He says that the amount of population movement that's happened,
Speaker 3: particularly intra state move as well as internationals, is starting
Speaker 3: to cause problems in road congestion and a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of other things.
Speaker 1: But probably the less said about him the better. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll keep talking about him.
Speaker 3: So Stephen Miles, the Queensland Premier is in a world
Speaker 3: of trouble.
Speaker 1: More evidence that.
Speaker 3: He is sinking by the day. And once Queensland has
Speaker 3: get the chance to go to the polling booth. They
Speaker 3: will walk right past him, no matter how much morone
Speaker 3: he tries to wear, no matter how much he tries
Speaker 3: to say, oh.
Speaker 1: Come on guys, on one of you, I'm like go Queensland.
Speaker 1: People don't care.
Speaker 3: New prole in the Brisbane Times shows that the primary
Speaker 3: vote of the Labor Party could well be down as
Speaker 3: low as twenty six percent. Now I don't believe that
Speaker 3: that's the case, but still it's way down from where
Speaker 3: it was at the election when it was closer to
Speaker 3: forty percent, and the LNP is now well over the
Speaker 3: forty percent, meaning that the minor parties such as One Nation, UAP,
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of others their preferences well should be
Speaker 3: able to help the government to change in Queensland. Fingers
Speaker 3: cross And just in case people think that maybe Stephen
Speaker 3: my is the answer to the political problems of the
Speaker 3: Labor Party, well he preferred premier. He's twenty eight percent,
Speaker 3: don't know is sitting at thirty three percent, and at
Speaker 3: thirty nine percent right now is none other than David Cruci. Fully,
Speaker 3: so fingers crossed, there is going to be a change
Speaker 3: in Queensland. But if you need to get another reminding,
Speaker 3: if you're watching us in the Sunshine State about why
Speaker 3: there needs to be a change, let's get back to
Speaker 3: hospital ramping. This is when forty five percent of all
Speaker 3: people who end up in the back of an ambulance
Speaker 3: have to wait about thirty minutes, but most likely longer
Speaker 3: because there's no space in the hospital for the people
Speaker 3: who have called the ambulance. Now, this situation is the
Speaker 3: worst that has ever been in Queensland history. So understandably
Speaker 3: the LNP says, can we sack the health Minister?
Speaker 7: And how long have I said? Shannon Fnjaman said she'd
Speaker 7: be different, Well, she's different, alright, she's worse. Shannon Fnsaman
Speaker 7: said that she would be transparent. Well, Queenslanders can see
Speaker 7: right through Shannon Fenceman cannot trust Shannon Fentman and that
Speaker 7: is why she must go.
Speaker 3: But of course Stephen Myles has no interest in sacking
Speaker 3: the Health Minister and I no matter how bad she is,
Speaker 3: because remember, of course, at one point in time she
Speaker 3: wanted to leave frog Hin to become the premier. They
Speaker 3: ended up not having a fight, which meant it didn't
Speaker 3: have to go to the members and fentlemen probably would
Speaker 3: have won. So unsurprisingly, Stephen Milesy is backing one of
Speaker 3: the worst health ministers in Queensland's history.
Speaker 8: What I know is that Shannon as our Health Minister,
Speaker 8: is doing a very good job in what is a
Speaker 8: very difficult job. I know how difficult that job is,
Speaker 8: and she is doing it well. We are giving her
Speaker 8: and Queensland Health extraordinary resources because we know the growth
Speaker 8: in demand that we are currently experiencing. Those resources are
Speaker 8: what's allowing us to employ more doctors and nurses and paramedics,
Speaker 8: and to build more hospitals and deliver more hospital beds.
Speaker 3: Yet, just this week we hear stories about a person
Speaker 3: in the seventies who died of a heart attack in
Speaker 3: the back of an ambulance because they weren't able to
Speaker 3: get into a hospital.
Speaker 1: Seriously.
Speaker 3: Now, meantime, there's another minister who deserves a little bit
Speaker 3: of attention here, and it is a minister who has
Speaker 3: been spending the people's money going off on cultural diplomacy
Speaker 3: while many Queenslanders a struggling to keep a roof over
Speaker 3: the head. Queensland's Communications Minister Lianne Enoch was jet sitting
Speaker 3: around North America in business class with three senior staffers.
Speaker 3: Documents obtained by nine News under the Right of Information
Speaker 3: reveal the trip, which was led by her. Her other
Speaker 3: minister of responsibilities are Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander partnerships
Speaker 3: in the treaty. She's also the Arts Minister. And it
Speaker 3: cost one hundred and twenty six as I say, one
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. It was a ten day trip.
Speaker 1: It took in New York.
Speaker 3: Edmonton and Vancouver in Canberra in Canada for the purposes
Speaker 3: of cultural diplomacy that was approved by the previous premiere
Speaker 3: before she got da hepho. And speaking of terrible governments,
Speaker 3: the Victorian government now this has been an election winning machine,
Speaker 3: no matter how how bad they've been as a government,
Speaker 3: no matter what they've done to the state's finances, and
Speaker 3: no matter how badly they ran their health system. Because
Speaker 3: you know, I've got a north face jacker. Well, since
Speaker 3: the removal or since the resignation of Daniel Andrews, the
Speaker 3: replacement premier isn't quite as attractive to the people of Victoria.
Speaker 3: In fact, again polling, same organization, but this time in
Speaker 3: the Age newspaper shows that the primary vote of the
Speaker 3: Labor Party is allegedly twenty eight percent. Now twenty eight percent.
Speaker 3: It was, of course close to forty percent around the
Speaker 3: last election. The LMP is edging up at thirty seven percent.
Speaker 3: But before anyone gets too excited and thinks that Persudo
Speaker 3: is going to end up as the premier, he's currently
Speaker 3: the preferred premier choice of but just twenty six percent
Speaker 3: of the electorate. She's thirty one percent of the electorate
Speaker 3: and the extreme majority undecided. So thea regularly the next
Speaker 3: election is up for grabs, but no doubt both of
Speaker 3: those leaders will probably be replaced and then we'll get
Speaker 3: back to the way politics has.
Speaker 1: Normally played in Victoria.
Speaker 3: But one thing I wanted to update you on that
Speaker 3: we brought to you over the past couple of nights was,
Speaker 3: of course, that the treaty process which is playing out
Speaker 3: in Victoria right now, is one where things are put
Speaker 3: on the table, and then as soon as anyone reports
Speaker 3: about what's put on the table, everyone pretends there's nothing
Speaker 3: to see here. However, the government has said they will
Speaker 3: not rule anything in or out.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the treaty negotiations.
Speaker 3: Remember the story this week that the Allen government has
Speaker 3: refused to rule out giving compulsory acquired private property to
Speaker 3: Indigenous groups and establishing seats designated for Indigenous members in
Speaker 3: the Victorian Parliament.
Speaker 1: Now Artie Jill, remember Artie Jill.
Speaker 3: We spoke about her previously when her ten points suggestions,
Speaker 3: which among other things were interest free loans and no
Speaker 3: rates and no taxes effectively for Indigenous people to be paid.
Speaker 1: And then after we reported it, she turned around said, oh, no,
Speaker 1: there's no Idea's not happening.
Speaker 3: She's turning around and saying that the compulsory acquisition thing
Speaker 3: definitely not happening. But then when she was on the
Speaker 3: radio this morning on through Our w with Tom Elliot,
Speaker 3: she says, I think reparations should be on the table,
Speaker 3: and it might not be in the form of money.
Speaker 3: It may will be in the form of empowerment, it
Speaker 3: may be by the way of land. But then she
Speaker 3: goes on to say, no, it definitely won't be about
Speaker 3: the acquiring of private property. So see how this process
Speaker 3: works because the government will not rule a line where
Speaker 3: negotiations go too far. Everything's on the table. As soon
Speaker 3: as anyone reports what's on the table, it's quickly taken
Speaker 3: off the table and then when nobody's looking at it
Speaker 3: goes back on the table. All in all, a bad look,
Speaker 3: a bad reality, and a bad government that it would
Speaker 3: be feeling like as they're trying to write some history,
Speaker 3: either on their way out or on their way to
Speaker 3: a fifth term, will they sign up.
Speaker 1: To a bad deal? Probably?
Speaker 3: Now I mentioned before the vehicle emission standards, the big
Speaker 3: car tax, which is on its way as a price
Speaker 3: dis incentive, will be built into high polluting vehicles. Yet
Speaker 3: the standards are going to be said so low that
Speaker 3: basically anything that is a popular carr in Australia will
Speaker 3: be too polluting and therefore well our extra taxes will
Speaker 3: be put on top of the cost of the vehicle.
Speaker 3: It's all the brilliant brainchild of the three D Chess
Speaker 3: champion Chris Bowen, the Climate Change and Energy Minister. Why
Speaker 3: because he wants everyone driving an electric car? Why because
Speaker 3: you know, we've got to do our bit to save
Speaker 3: the planet, despite the fact that our bit to save
Speaker 3: the planet is one percent of global pollution one percent. Well,
Speaker 3: last week, when the Senate was sitting and people were
Speaker 3: looking the other way, guess what actually happened. This became
Speaker 3: the law. And how did it become the law. Well,
Speaker 3: the Greens got together along with a couple of the
Speaker 3: independents and they got it over the line. Now what
Speaker 3: effectively here? And I've got to say I find this
Speaker 3: particularly amusing is that remember when petrol tax under this
Speaker 3: government went up to forty nine cents per lita.
Speaker 1: That was the same day that Chris.
Speaker 3: Bohm was pretending that these changes in fuel efficiency standards
Speaker 3: mean that if you buy the right car on the
Speaker 3: right day and it has the right fuel efficiency standard,
Speaker 3: you might end up saving money when it comes to petrol.
Speaker 3: It started off as hundreds, and then it became thousands
Speaker 3: because you can just make these numbers up. And then
Speaker 3: because they made a slight tweak, slight tweak to just
Speaker 3: how low the bar would be, and when the bar
Speaker 3: would kick in.
Speaker 1: Everyone said, oh great, we've had a victory.
Speaker 3: No, the exact system that we talked about for months
Speaker 3: is now the law of the land. And guess what
Speaker 3: happened today. And entirely other group of cars that nobody
Speaker 3: was talking about before this legislation had passed are now
Speaker 3: being singled out by lefty media to tell us they
Speaker 3: may not be as fuel efficient as you think, and
Speaker 3: if they're not as fuel efficient as they think, then
Speaker 3: they're going to be potentially the ones that end up
Speaker 3: with the brand new tax. Oh but it's not a tax,
Speaker 3: and you have your choice to buy whatever car you want.
Speaker 3: We're just going to make the one that you want
Speaker 3: to buy so expensive that you'll have to buy the
Speaker 3: EV which is still really expensive, but it's not as
Speaker 3: expensive as the one that we've loaded up with taxes
Speaker 3: in the tray of the ute or in the back
Speaker 3: of the suv. The Suzuki Swift recorded the highest discrepancy
Speaker 3: in fuel consumption small car, using six point three liters
Speaker 3: per fuel of fuel per one hundred kilometers. That's thirty
Speaker 3: one percent more than the lab tested.
Speaker 1: Version of it. In terms of the.
Speaker 3: Suv, Mazda's CX five was found to use fifteen percent
Speaker 3: more fuel when it's in the real world compared to
Speaker 3: the lab.
Speaker 5: A.
Speaker 3: Scoda uses fourteen percent the CX three as well as
Speaker 3: the SUPERU forest A hybrid. Will they end up using
Speaker 3: ten and eleven percent more? Why do I point on
Speaker 3: all of that out, Because what is the way the
Speaker 3: system works? They set the bar here and if it's
Speaker 3: a tax, they just keep increasing it or a levee
Speaker 3: with a stroke of a pen. When it comes to
Speaker 3: the fuel efficiency standards, you just keep dropping them because
Speaker 3: the media, who want nothing but electric cars will cheer
Speaker 3: it in. Those of us who are aware that Australians
Speaker 3: are choosing to buy the cars that they currently do,
Speaker 3: who don't want to buy an electric vehicle for a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of different reasons. If you want to buy one,
Speaker 3: good luck to you. But essentially forcing everyone to make
Speaker 3: the choice is a little bit like if they've ever
Speaker 3: opened a toll road in a capital city near you
Speaker 3: or the one that you live in, where magically all
Speaker 3: of the streets you used to be able to use
Speaker 3: to get around the traffic all suddenly become one way
Speaker 3: and you get forced onto the toll road. Well, that's
Speaker 3: exactly what's going to happen here. They said it was
Speaker 3: about youths, they said it was about SUVs. Mark my
Speaker 3: Wurtz used, cars are going to start to fall into this.
Speaker 3: There'll be state governments that will introduce limits on the
Speaker 3: number of cars of a certain age that will be
Speaker 3: allowed to be registered, forcing you into buying a car
Speaker 3: you can't afford, and interest rates that can continually go up,
Speaker 3: because this is the greatest government of all time. And
Speaker 3: if you complain, well, that's on you. Now speaking of
Speaker 3: all things to do with climate change and the importance
Speaker 3: and difficulty that it provides for an awful lot of
Speaker 3: people tooling around on the internet today, and I noticed
Speaker 3: this story from the United States which further goes into
Speaker 3: the rather recent psychological phenomenon of eco anxiety.
Speaker 4: There are a variety of consequences a changing climate can
Speaker 4: have on people's mental health. It's a growing area of research,
Speaker 4: but the American Psychiatric Association says that impacts fall into
Speaker 4: three buckets.
Speaker 9: There are the direct impacts of heat on the brain
Speaker 9: and the prevalence of mental illness. There are indirect effects
Speaker 9: that are the many ripples of putting carbon dioxide in
Speaker 9: the atmosphere, and then there are psychological impacts.
Speaker 3: Finally, mental health proof that people go a little bit
Speaker 3: crazy on a hot day.
Speaker 1: But please continue this edable research.
Speaker 4: One of the psychological impacts trauma from living through an
Speaker 4: extreme weather disaster. Some also struggle with mental distress, sometimes
Speaker 4: called eco anxiety, as they watch the world grapple with
Speaker 4: climate change.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure that floods and cyclones and tornadoes were
Speaker 3: not pleasant for previous generations either. But hopefully this news
Speaker 3: reporter was able to find on the level kids who
Speaker 3: understand that, while yes, the world does need to do
Speaker 3: something about climate change, it's not about to end tomorrow.
Speaker 9: I feel anxiety constantly about the weather, about like the weather, overheating.
Speaker 1: I do get stressed fairly often.
Speaker 9: People expect us to be the generation that fixes the
Speaker 9: problem that no one asked for. A lot of young
Speaker 9: people are thinking about how this is going to impact
Speaker 9: their futures, their safety, The idea of wanting to have children.
Speaker 1: Goodless greensmiders seriously. Now, of course, the reason.
Speaker 3: I had the anxiety is because the information and that's
Speaker 3: constantly being pumped at them again is climate change of problem.
Speaker 3: Yes this it need to be dealt with, sure, but
Speaker 3: the idea that Western countries.
Speaker 1: Need to bend themselves into it.
Speaker 3: Not while China can do whatever they all at once
Speaker 3: with a billion people until twenty thirty because it's a
Speaker 3: developing nation. Oh that's right, a developing nation with a
Speaker 3: space station.
Speaker 1: Please, wouldn't it be.
Speaker 3: Nice if all of the pressure that's constantly put either
Speaker 3: onto our kids or onto our governments was actually turned
Speaker 3: to the great polluters of the world like China, India,
Speaker 3: or Russia, or the Global South, or third worlders the
Speaker 3: rest of us would have known it to be, or
Speaker 3: developing worlders if he wanted to be more polite. Now,
Speaker 3: in a moment or two, Broman Bishop and Joe hide
Speaker 3: brand here, it's going to be a ding dongs. We
Speaker 3: talk about the greatest government of all time, a report
Speaker 3: card from those who mark harshly and those who mark
Speaker 3: lightly on two years of the Prime Minister, and then
Speaker 3: the greet. Meghan Kelly and Meghan Kelly had a conversation
Speaker 3: today with Bill maher broadcasting comedian in the United States,
Speaker 3: and it got pretty nasty. Not from Megan's end, but
Speaker 3: he was an e and looking at her while sitting
Speaker 3: face to face and just dismissing everything she had to say.
Speaker 2: Bill, I think that that Honter Biden was a hot
Speaker 2: mess and Joe Biden was embarrassed by him but had
Speaker 2: to deal. Now, I really think he was doing Joe
Speaker 2: Biden's bidding. Joe Biden is the bad guy who sent
Speaker 2: his drug adult son out there to collect money.
Speaker 10: That's what the laptop shows, and that's.
Speaker 11: More important than what I was bringing up about not
Speaker 11: abiding by election results, not not respecting what always made
Speaker 11: this country great, the peaceful transferrence of power.
Speaker 10: I don't disagree with you on that. You're not going
Speaker 10: to get me to say it.
Speaker 1: I don't have to get you to agree to disagree.
Speaker 11: You're obviously someone who looks at an elephant in a
Speaker 11: mouse and can I tell which one is bigger?
Speaker 1: Colossi stuff, Bill, really Colossi stuff. But he's on a
Speaker 1: book to it right now where he's saying, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we all hate each other too much.
Speaker 3: Okay, Mirah pal Ll right, quick break back when the wall, Roman, Bishop,
Speaker 3: Joe Hilderbrain just the way you lock it, and Nawston poncheet'
Speaker 3: and on on a windstad On he on, Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: And then Meghan before wed None.
Speaker 3: I've been so excited to do meet with my dear
Speaker 3: friends Bromban, Bishop and jo Hildebrand who were just furiously
Speaker 3: agreeing that the two years of the greatest Prime Minister
Speaker 3: of all times.
Speaker 12: Next subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, kudos to you.
Speaker 3: Much of the quoting in the editorial today about the
Speaker 3: Salvo stuff was from your story about the launch of
Speaker 3: it in and around with some Elbow stuff that we'll
Speaker 3: get to in a moment or two his time.
Speaker 1: But bromin the two year mark, what.
Speaker 13: Do you think, Well, if for failure because he promised
Speaker 13: three very important things one year, all feel better after
Speaker 13: he got elected as Prime minister, he would take responsibility
Speaker 13: for everything and it would be a transparent government. Fail
Speaker 13: fail fail correct, people feel worse. Twelve interest rate hikes.
Speaker 13: We've got criminals that they've led our under the streets
Speaker 13: because they wanted to High Court only said one had
Speaker 13: to come out direct. Every time you look at something,
Speaker 13: and the cost of fuel is through the roof, and
Speaker 13: that in fact, Joe drives the cost of living through
Speaker 13: the sky. From the apple you buy to give your
Speaker 13: kid to take the school, to the pair of shoes
Speaker 13: that you buy at another shop. It affects everything you do.
Speaker 13: Cost of everything is fuel. And the insane policies, the
Speaker 13: insane policies of mister Bourne and Albow the Trot, have
Speaker 13: done nothing but force those prices up and worse. Again,
Speaker 13: there's been no leadership on anti Semitism, none at all.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to give equal time here, but I'm
Speaker 3: not going to keep a clock right, So Joe obviously
Speaker 3: your thoughts would be the exact opposite that they are
Speaker 3: what they say.
Speaker 12: I mean, obviously hasn't been the perfect government, There's no
Speaker 12: question about that. A lot of these things are beyond
Speaker 12: the government's control. And I think it was probably a
Speaker 12: mistake to promise that they could fix cost of living,
Speaker 12: and they obviously hung it around the previous government's neck
Speaker 12: when it suited them and said that everything to be
Speaker 12: fine to them. I'm always wary of those that I'm
Speaker 12: always wary of those kind of promises. But again, this
Speaker 12: is an economic crisis that is gripping the entire world.
Speaker 12: It is because of the overhang from the pandemic measures
Speaker 12: that we put in place that frankly a lot of
Speaker 12: which should never have been put in place, and people
Speaker 12: like you want to be like people like you, and
Speaker 12: I were saying, well, you know you can. You know,
Speaker 12: no one wanted to go back to having just one
Speaker 12: airline in Australia.
Speaker 1: So he's looking so the taxpayer should by the said,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 12: Just a possibility, it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
Speaker 12: But I think firstly Albo maybe he was a tried
Speaker 12: He's not a trot anymore. Alba has no love, has
Speaker 12: no love for the trot Trots are making his life
Speaker 12: a misery. Is making a misery on Palestine and making
Speaker 12: life misery on.
Speaker 13: The women's He's making life miseries, making himself taking No.
Speaker 12: They're attached to his office like barnacles. They're making news
Speaker 12: to themselves on campus, They're screaming at him at rallies.
Speaker 12: He has no love for the Trits. I can promise
Speaker 12: you that he is someone who is very much moving
Speaker 12: to the center. And I think that it's a.
Speaker 13: Government that shows in the left wing gutter.
Speaker 12: It's a government that is a bit wobbly. All first
Speaker 12: term governments are John Howard's first term governments very wobbly.
Speaker 12: Lost three ministers went on to become one of the
Speaker 12: greatest prime ministers the country's ever had. So I don't think.
Speaker 12: I don't think it's been right off by any means.
Speaker 3: So, okay, I'm gonna want there's a couple of ministers
Speaker 3: would be a good start, wouldn't it.
Speaker 1: Immigration, there's one I wouldn't mind going.
Speaker 12: Yeah, there's one I wouldn't mind going. Home Affairs can stay,
Speaker 12: but immigration, I think maybe should be Assistant Minister for
Speaker 12: the time.
Speaker 3: Now also interesting that Pedic Costello and I do find
Speaker 3: this look Petic Costello obviously a fantastic treasurer, but long
Speaker 3: out of government and your circumstances were the river of
Speaker 3: good times as opposed to the river of bad times
Speaker 3: right through through the mining boom.
Speaker 13: Hey, you don't forget when when the Howard government was
Speaker 13: first elected there was a huge Asian collapse. Yes, true,
Speaker 13: and we came through that in a pretty steady manner.
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, is that there is a little
Speaker 3: thing that happens after every budget, which is generally speaking,
Speaker 3: a week and a bit later, PEEDT. Costello tells us
Speaker 3: thumbs up or thumbs down. He says, absolutely inflationary. Basically
Speaker 3: every opinion poll says that those who think that their
Speaker 3: life is really going to be changed by it was
Speaker 3: for fifths of bugger all. But now we learn that
Speaker 3: we're just going to Basically, I think they've made a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of decisions which were about giving them a
Speaker 3: slogan for an election whenever it would be about every
Speaker 3: household and every taxpayer. But if Costello is telling us
Speaker 3: that it's inflationary, the consequences of that are interest rates up,
Speaker 3: whereas the Prime Minister is holding on for dear life
Speaker 3: that interst rates go down so they can turn around
Speaker 3: and say, look, look it's look, you've gone from Robina
Speaker 3: purple to slightly mow.
Speaker 1: Vote for us.
Speaker 13: But that's why I say there'll be an early election
Speaker 13: because snake snake Charmer the Treasurer has said, oh well
Speaker 13: this is anti inflationary this budget, and therefore there's going
Speaker 13: to be a rate cut. And I know better than
Speaker 13: the Reserve Bank who says there may be a rad rise.
Speaker 13: So is he going to want to play Russian roulette
Speaker 13: and get tested? Not on your nelly already, I can
Speaker 13: said it. I know what happens in the party room.
Speaker 13: I know what happens when a leader starts to fail,
Speaker 13: as Albow is failing. They get restless, They see their seats,
Speaker 13: they look at them. Am I going to get re elected?
Speaker 13: Is this going to be? Am I going to have
Speaker 13: to pay the price? And they start to get really restless.
Speaker 13: And Charmers is over there. He thinks he's the god
Speaker 13: given solution to reinventing capitalism and having a whole different thing.
Speaker 13: It's going to get very tricky for them. There are
Speaker 13: so many reasons why it's going to go earlier. It
Speaker 13: doesn't matter what you told Albo to say.
Speaker 12: The fact that Okay, so your theory is so that
Speaker 12: Jim Charmers is going to fall. Albo to go to
Speaker 12: an early election so he'll lose and Charmers can take
Speaker 12: over the leadership. Is that the theory?
Speaker 13: I wouldn't the first and make the final conclusion.
Speaker 12: And Albo such a spring chicken, he'd never see that coming.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's not like he's got a history in politics.
Speaker 12: Do you think they're going to go You think they're
Speaker 12: going to go to an election before the Queensland state elections,
Speaker 12: so that every vote.
Speaker 13: State election matters the world beans, you.
Speaker 12: Don't think, I don't think that they're just going to
Speaker 12: line up and belt the Jesus out of him after
Speaker 12: they struggled to do well as well as they should
Speaker 12: have been.
Speaker 1: Queensland now in the opinion polls preferred the only place.
Speaker 12: Suicide. Note this is I mean, everyone keeps saying this
Speaker 12: is the Albaneze Government's an absolute idea, and that's why
Speaker 12: he's going to call the election. He's lower than he's
Speaker 12: ever before, and that's why he's going to March. The files.
Speaker 12: It's insane.
Speaker 1: They are going to go.
Speaker 13: The distant cuts in the budget aren't going to last
Speaker 13: till next May.
Speaker 12: No, that's right. He's not relying on the tax cuts.
Speaker 12: He's relying on interest rates coming down. And when interest
Speaker 12: rates come down, or if interest rates come down, which everyone.
Speaker 13: Is predicting, broken the back and everything, then.
Speaker 12: The first half of next year he can say, Look,
Speaker 12: the worst is over. It's nothing better.
Speaker 13: You're saying he's going to go to August the.
Speaker 12: First half of next year, in the second half of
Speaker 12: the mate the first five months.
Speaker 13: Now, the only thing you and I agree on is
Speaker 13: the Salvation Army.
Speaker 12: Well, the Salvation Army is episode and they love Albo.
Speaker 12: They love him. He's a strong stone.
Speaker 13: Grateful on the weekend. And I won't have I won't
Speaker 13: have the Salvation. I mean defamed in that manner.
Speaker 12: You should just knock on Elbow's door and I'll pop
Speaker 12: in the pineapple for you.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe you can go to one of the rental
Speaker 3: properties that he owns and the bloke's about to boot,
Speaker 3: but you know that's a nothing.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Now I.
Speaker 12: Can save fifty thousand dollars my landlord charge be half
Speaker 12: the market right on a three bedroom townhouse I'm living
Speaker 12: in on my own.
Speaker 1: Oh the humanity.
Speaker 3: No, it does make perfect sense that you brief against
Speaker 3: your tenant to the Australian media.
Speaker 1: But anyway, let's get to let's get off. So because
Speaker 1: he crossed the PM, I wish him well and here
Speaker 1: it goes.
Speaker 3: It's like that lady has never been heard of again,
Speaker 3: you know, after calling the Prime Minister out at the
Speaker 3: women's rally for the crying and all the never.
Speaker 1: Never heard of it because they realized I wish them well.
Speaker 12: Stuff up and the camera show.
Speaker 1: Video crying too, right, remember that tape is there as well.
Speaker 12: Cry Oh my god, oh my god.
Speaker 13: Know what is the change in the prime minister circumstance
Speaker 13: then he needs?
Speaker 12: That's a bit personal, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's been in the papers.
Speaker 12: Getting married.
Speaker 1: Now that's the pay for the wedding.
Speaker 12: No, it's the change in circumstances.
Speaker 1: It's rubbish.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about Let's talk about something that is
Speaker 3: something that all of us, in some one version or
Speaker 3: another has spoken about with people or people say hey.
Speaker 1: Can you find a way to start talking about this?
Speaker 3: On the telly the worry people have for their kids
Speaker 3: and their grandkids financially right about how they're going to
Speaker 3: get into a house, how they're going to get into
Speaker 3: a position to be able to earn a house. Basically,
Speaker 3: are you in the world that's lucky enough to be
Speaker 3: inheriting something eventually or the people who never bought a house,
Speaker 3: and how you end up in that hole? This yees
Speaker 3: does drive and certainly for the younger voter's going to
Speaker 3: drive them further to the hard left in terms of voting.
Speaker 3: But what does this country have to actually do to
Speaker 3: start to give those opportunities to break out of the
Speaker 3: circumstances that were your parents in order to be able
Speaker 3: to supersede their financial structures.
Speaker 13: Okay, let's look at the things that have changed. If
Speaker 13: you go back to the Person War period, the people
Speaker 13: who are responsible for providing sewerage, water, electricity, gas, kirby
Speaker 13: and guttering roads was the government. Yes, then these things changed.
Speaker 13: Now it's the developer who's responsible for that, and all
Speaker 13: of that is built into the cost of the land.
Speaker 13: And when we talk about the difficulty of buying houses
Speaker 13: or we're really talking about is land and they're not
Speaker 13: making any of that anymore. It's a limited and limited supply.
Speaker 13: We have it decentralized in the way that there was
Speaker 13: a great hope we would decentralize, except in Queensland they're
Speaker 13: a decentralized state. But the thing is that two thirds
Speaker 13: of the population are affected by high interest rates because
Speaker 13: it affects mortgage holders and renters both in the same way.
Speaker 1: So they're all hurting.
Speaker 13: But if you also look at that generation, they're going
Speaker 13: to inherit the wealth that comes from the baby boomer generation,
Speaker 13: and in the meantime, that generation is still helping kids
Speaker 13: with deposits, with paying expenses, with school fees, with a
Speaker 13: whole range of things. The bank of mom and dad
Speaker 13: is very real. The kids who miss out are the
Speaker 13: ones where the parents get divorced and there's a new
Speaker 13: bride and they take the dough. They're the ones who
Speaker 13: missed out.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 13: So when you're looking at how do you enable people
Speaker 13: to get access to enough deposit to be able to
Speaker 13: get a loan from the bank, then Peter Dutton's policy
Speaker 13: of saying you can have access to your fore gone wages.
Speaker 13: It's your money which has been taken and you can
Speaker 13: have access to that to buy yourself a home, which
Speaker 13: is the best thing you can have in retirement because
Speaker 13: you have a guarantee of a roof over your head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hard up against the chat. We're about to
Speaker 3: have a Megan, But your thoughts on this, Joe, because
Speaker 3: it's something we're going to have to bring.
Speaker 12: Back, is absolutely insane. I think that the biggest problem
Speaker 12: is simply simple capitalism. It's supply and demand. There is
Speaker 12: too much demand, not enough supply. It's immigration. No, because
Speaker 12: half the reason why there's not enough supplies because there
Speaker 12: was no immigration during the COVID lockdowns, so everyone stopped
Speaker 12: building it. Yes, that is absolutely so. That is absolutely so.
Speaker 12: And so what you've got to do. You've got to
Speaker 12: free up the land. You've got to yes, de centralize,
Speaker 12: and you've got to get more people living in the
Speaker 12: region of the bush. Got to make that more attractive
Speaker 12: to people. You've also got to make sure that people
Speaker 12: are prepared to cop medium density around transport hubs and
Speaker 12: that you don't have Nimbi's just jumping up and down
Speaker 12: saying oh, yes, I support more housing, but not in
Speaker 12: my street. What about the parking? And you've got to
Speaker 12: have people who are willing to willing to build it.
Speaker 12: And it's as simple as that. And if people don't
Speaker 12: think there's going to be a buck in it, then
Speaker 12: they're not going to build it.
Speaker 3: An even tougher conversation than text and sessions and all
Speaker 3: the rest of it downsizing. Put it on the table
Speaker 3: for it in a few weeks time.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thank you Bromman, Thank you, Joe.
Speaker 3: All right, quick breakback with more Meghan Kelly about everything
Speaker 3: to do with Trump in the US and a sect
Speaker 3: favorite time of the week to talk about favorite person
Speaker 3: in the world.
Speaker 1: Meghan Kelly joins us now from the United States. How
Speaker 1: are you done? Hi?
Speaker 10: How are you now?
Speaker 3: I've got to say, well, I've had many sleepless nights
Speaker 3: watching all the details of the Trump trial.
Speaker 1: I've always tried.
Speaker 3: To give the benefit of the doubt to the judge
Speaker 3: that he's trying to be fair. The past couple of days,
Speaker 3: though he has shown he has got it in for Trump,
Speaker 3: and he, when he has the chance to sentence him,
Speaker 3: will probably send him to jail. Why do I say that,
Speaker 3: because anyone who was there for the prosecution could talk
Speaker 3: for as long as they want about anything that doesn't
Speaker 3: have anything to do with the actual case. But when
Speaker 3: a defense witness is brought forward, every single question was
Speaker 3: objected to, and when the person in the witness box
Speaker 3: was sort of frustrated that they could never start to
Speaker 3: answer questions, the judge clears the court room and loses
Speaker 3: his brain.
Speaker 10: They never should have called Costello. He was useless.
Speaker 2: He did not add to the defense's case. They should
Speaker 2: have projected strength by saying, we feel no need to
Speaker 2: call any witnesses projecting to the jury. The case hasn't
Speaker 2: been made and we don't need He didn't add anything.
Speaker 10: I know he said. Cohen has said repeatedly that he.
Speaker 2: Had nothing on Donald Trump. He had nothing on Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: They'd already gotten Coen to admit that on cross examination.
Speaker 2: That was already in the record. They didn't need Costello
Speaker 2: for that. And I think it was pretty clear that
Speaker 2: Trump wanted him and probably.
Speaker 10: Overruled his lawyer's advice not to call him.
Speaker 2: And while Costello is a very smart guy to me,
Speaker 2: at least from what I read because I didn't get
Speaker 2: to see his testimony like everybody else, he sounded pretty
Speaker 2: arrogant and smug and disrespectful to the judge as much
Speaker 2: as you may hate the judge, the jury doesn't. The
Speaker 2: jury sees the judge like dad. He takes good care
Speaker 2: of us. He makes our meals for us, gets our
Speaker 2: meals for us. He makes sure that if I.
Speaker 10: Have an appointment, I make it there on time. They
Speaker 10: like the judge. The judge is their handholder.
Speaker 2: And they really don't want you to want to see
Speaker 2: anybody be a prick to him. So it wasn't a
Speaker 2: good strategy.
Speaker 10: They shouldn't have called him.
Speaker 2: But it's all academic because this judge is not on
Speaker 2: the defense's side. He's been on team prosecution from the start.
Speaker 2: And I think again, with the jury selection the way
Speaker 2: it went, the jury's probably been on the prosecution side
Speaker 2: from the start. And I remain today as I was
Speaker 2: in the beginning, with the opinion that while he shouldn't
Speaker 2: be he's likely to be convicted. And if I have
Speaker 2: to put my money on one or the other, I say,
Speaker 2: you will be.
Speaker 3: Now again, maybe I'm off in pixie land here, But
Speaker 3: they haven't proven the case. They truly have not proven
Speaker 3: the case. Now, yes, there are two dots that are
Speaker 3: kind of near each other, but nobody has been able
Speaker 3: to successfully say Trump knew how this was going to
Speaker 3: be accounted for, and that is the charge. Surely there's
Speaker 3: someone on that jury who, as much as they may
Speaker 3: hate Donald Trump, has seen the case has not been proven.
Speaker 2: I don't think that Trump ever stood a chance here.
Speaker 2: I really don't. I mean, I see why some people
Speaker 2: think there could be a hung jury, because you never know.
Speaker 2: Maybe there's one guy on there who says, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to do it. But all of this Tea Leave
Speaker 2: reading is playing the odds, and the odds are that
Speaker 2: this is a jury that is overwhelmingly part of and
Speaker 2: that hates Donald Trump, not just like, eh, he wasn't
Speaker 2: my favorite president, you know, the feelings that Trump can
Speaker 2: engender in some people. And liberal Democrats in New York
Speaker 2: are amongst the most partisan. They are not like normy
Speaker 2: Democrats in the middle of America who are registered Democrat
Speaker 2: because they think the Democrat Party is going to take
Speaker 2: better care of them than the Republicans will.
Speaker 10: But they're not hard partisans.
Speaker 2: Most New Yorkers are very politically astute and steeped in
Speaker 2: the news and that they all read the New York Times,
Speaker 2: so they have been manipulated emotionally and intellectually for the
Speaker 2: better part of their adulthood, if they're like your typical
Speaker 2: New Yorker in New York City, Manhattan went eighty seven
Speaker 2: percent for Joe Biden eighty seven percent. Maybe they found
Speaker 2: one of the thirteen percent. Maybe they found the one
Speaker 2: who's gonna say eh, but I doubt it. So it's
Speaker 2: not that he stands no chance. He stands a ten
Speaker 2: percent chance of getting such a person on his jury.
Speaker 10: I guess around ten.
Speaker 2: But what's going to happen now, Paul, is that this
Speaker 2: judge is going to craft jury instructions that are going
Speaker 2: to even with that one person who might be over there,
Speaker 2: lead them right our here to the water drink Coursey drink.
Speaker 10: Look, it's me the judge telling.
Speaker 2: You that this is the very very low legal standard
Speaker 2: that you have to pass in order to convict him.
Speaker 2: And so those jury instructions have never been more important
Speaker 2: than in this case because it's a complex case, and
Speaker 2: the judge kept out the elections expert who could have
Speaker 2: explained to them what is a campaign expenditure? Would a
Speaker 2: hush money payment to a porn star count as one,
Speaker 2: and if so, could Trump have paid for it out
Speaker 2: of his campaign Coffers why wouldn't we take expert testimony
Speaker 2: on that. Well, it didn't happen. The jury's going to
Speaker 2: be confused, and the judge their daddy, is going to
Speaker 2: confuse or going to clear it up for them in
Speaker 2: a way that will only be helpful to team prosecution.
Speaker 1: So let's imagine he's found guilty.
Speaker 3: There's even a chance of him being immediately sentenced the
Speaker 3: appeals process. A lot of people say that the unfairness
Speaker 3: of the way that the judge has been dealing things,
Speaker 3: including keeping away from the court a person who would
Speaker 3: be able to say this is not a crime and
Speaker 3: explain why they used to work for the Electoral Commission
Speaker 3: in the United States. So is the appeal going to
Speaker 3: be the only way Trump's going to get a fair
Speaker 3: crack heat?
Speaker 2: Those things will be grounds for appeal and they will
Speaker 2: be successful. There's no way the appellate courts are going
Speaker 2: to uphold this verdict if it's a guilty verdict.
Speaker 10: I zero chance. There's just no way.
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe the immediate appellate court will uphold it,
Speaker 2: but will eventually go up to New York State's highest court,
Speaker 2: the Court of Appeals, which.
Speaker 10: Is still a rational body.
Speaker 2: They're the ones who just struck down the conviction against
Speaker 2: Harvey Weinstein for very good reasons, so they're not completely irrational,
Speaker 2: even though I'm sure they all hate Trump too. Doesn't
Speaker 2: do Trump any good. That'll all help happen well after
Speaker 2: the election. It's kind of irrelevant at this point, and
Speaker 2: the Democrats know that. That's why in this case and
Speaker 2: all the others, they're keeping the pedal down to the medal.
Speaker 2: They have plans to make sure this case gets dried
Speaker 2: before the election, and we hear from a source close
Speaker 2: to the j six federal trial that they have a
Speaker 2: plan to get that case going at least before he
Speaker 2: takes office.
Speaker 10: If he wins.
Speaker 2: That the goal would be even if he wins in November,
Speaker 2: try the case against him anyway, even as the president elect,
Speaker 2: and see if you can stop the certification of the vote.
Speaker 2: On January sixth of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Rock Style. Look forward to saying you again.
Speaker 10: Next way, all right, Paul, thanks for having me, Thanks very.
Speaker 3: Much for watching the losers of the wait. Next way
Speaker 3: we will discuss. We will also look forward to parks
Speaker 3: on Sunday. But right now here is the light to
Speaker 3: mind