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Speaker 1: From the newsroom.

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Speaker 2: A news still come today.

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Speaker 3: Gooday there, I'm Andrew Bucklow. I've been doing this podcast

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Speaker 3: for a long time now, and I've been lucky enough

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Speaker 3: to interview hundreds, if not thousands of people, And to

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Speaker 3: be honest, because I do so many interviews, I can

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Speaker 3: sometimes forget about them, but I can guarantee I will

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Speaker 3: never forget the interview you're gonna hear in this episode.

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Speaker 3: On Wednesday afternoon, I spoke to Kay Henderson, a forty

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Speaker 3: seven year old woman from Coff's Harbor in New South Wales.

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Speaker 3: And the reason we're airing this interview today Friday, the

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Speaker 3: twenty first of February twenty twenty five is because it's

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Speaker 3: going to be the last day of Kay's life. She's

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Speaker 3: decided to leave this world through voluntary assisted dying, which

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Speaker 3: is legal in New South Wales. You see, Kay was

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Speaker 3: born with Martin syndrome, a condition which affects the body's

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Speaker 3: connective tissues. She's been in pain for more than half

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Speaker 3: of her life, with her health taking a major turn

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Speaker 3: for the worse in two thousand and seven when she

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Speaker 3: suffered a major heart attack. Since then, her condition has

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Speaker 3: only worsened and now she's had enough. I first came

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Speaker 3: across k on TikTok, where she's been documenting her journey

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Speaker 3: towards voluntary assisted dying, with hundreds of thousands of people

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Speaker 3: charmed by her openness and her sense of humor.

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Speaker 2: My belly is so swollen, but that's just because of

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Speaker 2: all the ice cream and the lollies that I've been eating.

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Speaker 2: But hey, I've only got over a week left to live,

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Speaker 2: so I'm just gonna eat whatever the I want to eat.

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Speaker 3: She is quite a character. In just a moment, you'll

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Speaker 3: hear Kay explain the bad process. She'll run us through

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Speaker 3: what she's got planned for her final few hours, and

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Speaker 3: what she hopes will happen after she passes. Firstly, thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Not no problem at all. I'm glad to be able

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Speaker 3: You've been eeling in pain for a very long time.

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Speaker 3: Can you just describe your quality of life at the moment?

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Speaker 3: For everyone normally.

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Speaker 2: My quality of life is, and it's not nice to say,

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Speaker 2: but nothing. Really. I would find that my days would

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Speaker 2: watch TV, fall asleep, and that was pretty much my

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Speaker 3: So when did you make the decision to do voluntary

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Speaker 3: assisted dying.

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Speaker 2: Actually, my palliative care doctor brought it to my attention

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Speaker 2: when he come to visit me a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: He looked at me and he said, look, I haven't

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Speaker 2: will one thousand percent stand by your side. And I said, yes,

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Speaker 2: give me the number, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: What would be your life expectancy if you didn't go

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Speaker 2: They would say six months, but honestly, I would say

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Speaker 3: Is it hard to get approved? Obviously your doctor brought

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So first of all, you need to make the

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Speaker 2: Only you can make the phone call right. They set

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Speaker 2: And they were like okay. They said they would submit

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Speaker 3: How did it feel when you got that call saying

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Speaker 2: I was excited, And then that might sound funny to

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Speaker 3: Oh, I can understand why, because you get to go

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Speaker 3: for what you've described as the inevitable. I understand that

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Speaker 2: I actually didn't tell her that I was going to

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Speaker 2: at the moment. She was in hospital. She came home

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Speaker 2: She said, I'm so proud of you, and she said,

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Speaker 3: Oh what an amazing mum. Yeah, it's so good. Just

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Speaker 3: I understand you know exactly what you want to do

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Speaker 3: on Thursday night? You last night? What's that?

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Speaker 2: Oh we're going for our last ocean swim.

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Speaker 2: Only girls are invited. I'm Sorrie Andrew. It's just a

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Speaker 3: And then Friday comes along, your final day, which is

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm having it catered.

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Speaker 2: I'll just you know, Sangers and food and just the

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Speaker 2: and probably a lot of hugs and tears. I haven't

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Speaker 3: And do you envisiach you'll be holding hands with your

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely. I have my nieces on one side of

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Speaker 3: We'll be back in just a moment. Do you believe

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Speaker 3: So what do you think will happen once that is over?

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Speaker 2: I am hoping that I will open my eyes and

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Speaker 2: And lots of them have people that have passed and

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Speaker 2: They've asked me to pass on messages and I'm more

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Speaker 3: One thing I'd love to know. Have you told your

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Speaker 2: Yes, Um, they will all of a sudden they hear

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Speaker 2: to be able to see spirit, then I may come

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Speaker 3: That's lovely. Okay, You've been so brave sharing your story

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Speaker 3: thousands of followers. Everyone is, you know, just so touched

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Speaker 3: that you've chosen to share this part of your life

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Speaker 3: with us. It seems to me that sometimes that can

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Speaker 3: will talk about it. What is your message to people

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Speaker 1: Um.

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Speaker 2: People have said to me, oh, you're killing yourself, and

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Speaker 2: I said, well, yes, I am killing myself, but it's

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Speaker 2: so it's a medical procedure. It's not me having to

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're an amazingly brave woman. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for sharing your story and for giving up some time

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Speaker 3: and I'm sure everyone listening does as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for letting me talk to you. I loved it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is definitely one of the more special interviews

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Speaker 3: thank you, Tokay, she told me before our conversation ended.

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Speaker 3: That she would be listening to this episode today on

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Speaker 3: her final day while surrounded by her family and friends. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I think it's only fitting that I finished with a

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Speaker 3: little bit of your favorite song. Here's some cold chi

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Speaker 3: for you, A movie.

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