1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: people of the Eur Nation. Hello and welcome to The 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Real Story with Joe Hildebrandon. Absolutely massive week all around 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: the world. We've got what's going on behind these huge 5 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: global events, including the massive cease fire between Israel and Hamas. 6 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Is it real? What is behind it and what is 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: the impact going to be? Plus is Elon musk a closet, 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: Naro nazi h I've got the answer for that too, 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: would you believe it? And we've also solved the Australia 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Day problem once and for all. We have found a 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: way to change the date without changing the date and 12 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: make everybody happy. It's absolutely true, It's absolutely one hundred percent, 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: it's absolutely brilliant. You'll find out all about that on 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: the show this week. First up this week, I want 15 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: to talk about but what inevitably became the biggest story 16 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: out of Donald Trump's inauguration as President of the United 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: States of America. And that is, of course everything but 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's inauguration as the President of the United States. 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean, who cares about that? 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: Right? 21 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: You know? The guy has just become the leader of 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: the free world again, one of only two people in history, 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: by the way, to have two numbers of president to 24 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: his title, So he's both the forty fifth and the 25 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,919 Speaker 1: forty seventh president. If you get two terms in a row, 26 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: you just get one number. He's got two. And the 27 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: only other person to lose an election and then come 28 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: back in an election is some other guy that no 29 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: one cares about and no one can remember. But of 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: course we're not talking about that. We're not talking about 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: the president, are we. No, even Donald Trump's enemies aren't 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that he's just become leader of 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: the free world again, because they seem to get distracted 34 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: by things that aren't really important. We're not learning that. Listen. No, 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: they're talking about the fact that Elon Musk is a 36 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: neo Nazi. Yes, they're obsessed with the fact in air 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: quotes that Elon Musk apparently did a Nazi salute at 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: a rally. Now you would have seen the footage if 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: you've been anywhere online, or more likely you've probably seen 40 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: a still photo of Elon Musk doing what's called a sikhaile, 41 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: which is like a bit like kind of o hile Hitler, 42 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: but with you know, a bit more kind of you know, 43 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: frills and trimmings. So he has gone to a rally 44 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: and he's speaking. As you know, Elon Musk gets very, 45 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: very excitable at rallies. Some have called it a bit 46 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: of a sort of autistic tick. He's a very excitable guy. 47 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: Put him next to Baron Trump and you'll see how 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 1: excitab he is. That is one more ros teenager. But 49 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: that's another story. So Elon Musk is addressing this massive 50 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 1: rally and he does what CNN they couldn't even name it. 51 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: They couldn't even speak its name. It's like Beelzeber Lucifer 52 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: Voldemort said he's doing he's doing that a strange salute. 53 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 3: It's a strange salute. I mean, you can see, well 54 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: our audience can see what sort of a salute it was. 55 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: But of course it wasn't that kind of salute. It 56 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: wasn't even really a salute at all. If you listen 57 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: to what Elon Musk was actually saying, he was saying, 58 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: I owe this, Ald, we owe this all to you. 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: We've we're going to do incredible things for this country. 60 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: This country is born again, it's saved, it's wonderful, and 61 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: it's all to you. 62 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: It's all thanks to you. I offer you my heart. 63 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: My heart belongs to you. I give you my heart. 64 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: And then he sort of flutters it away sort of 65 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: like you're almost like you're sort of blowing a kiss, 66 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: and he sends it soaring like he's going to Mars, 67 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: which he probably will do one day. And then he 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: does something else you never ever do in a sea car, right, 69 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: which is he then sort of turns around all the way. 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: If you look at Nazis, they're very specific with their rotations. 71 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: It's all very much one nine, two seventy three, sixty degrees. 72 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. They are a very specific, 73 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: disciplined leather trouser wearing a bunch of genocidal maniacs. But 74 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: Muster sort of turns around, he grabs his heart again 75 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: and sort of says, I give you my heart as well. 76 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: You know, my heart goes out to you, That's what 77 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: he says. And then he does the impression of taking 78 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: his heart from his body and sending it soaring out 79 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: to the crowd. Right. So that's just a sort of 80 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: the technicalities, if you like. That's just the sort of 81 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: the physics of what Elon Musk did. Okay, So it 82 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: was different, you know, was it a great look? I 83 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: remember when you know, tabloids tried to say they caught 84 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,559 Speaker 1: a picture of the queen throwing a Nazi salute. Turns 85 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: out she was just waving at someone, you know, once 86 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: you saw the whole footage. And of course all the 87 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: Donald Trump supporters have gotten all sorts of pictures of 88 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: presidents from Barack Obama or candidates like Hillary Clinton and 89 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: Karmala Harris also holding their hands in a similar fashion, 90 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: because it's something very common. The Romans did it too. 91 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of the way you raise your hands at people. 92 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: That's why the Nazis were very good at appropriating other 93 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: people's symbols. The swastika was also appropriated from ancient Hindu 94 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: tradition I believe in India. So yeah, I still wouldn't 95 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: go around wearing one. That's just a bit of an fyi, 96 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: just a bit of historical contest. Still pretty bad. But 97 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: that is what Elin Mask was doing. Right. None of 98 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: that matters. None of that matters, right, None of that 99 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: matters because the theory, of course, is that this was 100 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: actually just him signaling to all his followers that, oh, 101 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, we're all really neo Nazis. See Kyle, Oh yeah, 102 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: we all love Hitler. Donald Trump, he really is literally 103 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: Hitler because he's now they're throwing Nazi salutes. Closet neo Nazi. 104 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: I knew it, the neo Nazis, we all, we all 105 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 1: knew it ever since Madison Square Garden. We knew they 106 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: were neo Nazis. They were just hiding it from us. 107 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: This is the thing. If you're a closet neo Nazi, 108 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: there's one thing it's very important not to do. Let's 109 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: go around telling people about it. You don't tell people 110 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: you're a neo Nazi. You don't go throwing Nazi swords. 111 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: If you're gonna be a closet neo Nazi, you hide that. 112 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: You're hyper, you cover it up. You don't care. Well, 113 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: this is seriously, this is the running theory, right, Okay, 114 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 1: So Donald Trump and Elon musk Uh secretly Nazi sympathizers 115 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: who the Jewish community absolutely adores, who were the strongest 116 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: defenders of Israel on the planet, but they're also Nazis. 117 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: And I got to say, being a bit of a 118 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: sort of student history Nazism plus loving Jews doesn't really 119 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: work like the kind of the jew hatred is kind 120 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: of baked into the ideology. It's pretty foundational. Like without 121 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: the anti Semitism, there's not a great deal to Nazism. Yes, 122 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: they killed a lot of other people, but the whole 123 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: theory about the Jews running the world and we have 124 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: to expel them from not just Germany but all of Europe. 125 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: That doesn't really work with being a strong defender ally 126 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: and friend of the Jewish community and staunchly defending the 127 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: only Jewish state on the planet in Israel. Just so again, 128 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: I think that's a slight inconsistency, but nonetheless, the narrative 129 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: appears to be Donald Trump, Elon Musk, all of them, 130 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: they're all neo Nazis, and they pretended they weren't through 131 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: the whole election campaign, and then they waited for Inauguration 132 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Day and they decided that the way they would reveal 133 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: to the world that they were all in fact Nazis 134 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: was by Elon Musk throwing a Nazi salute and getting 135 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: it wrong. Like they could have just put out a 136 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: press release, could have just said it, but no, that's 137 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,239 Speaker 1: how we know they're secretly now on Nazis because Elon 138 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: Musk did a weird Nazi salute at a rally, that's 139 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: the theory, and you wonder why they won speaking of Israel, 140 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 1: and let's face it, no one in the world is 141 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: speaking of anything but these days. I don't want to 142 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: be a downer, but situation there has been pretty grim, 143 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: as you might know. And there was, of course, the 144 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: cease fire a few days ago, and everyone kind of said, oh, fantastic, 145 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: that's great news, that's awesome, and I was kind of 146 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: tempted to think the same thing as well, but I 147 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: just couldn't. I just couldn't feel happy about it, and 148 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: for a little wile I couldn't put my finger on 149 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: by and then I realized what it was I was 150 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: kind of thinking. And I think we've seen other people 151 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: sort of come round a little bit to this way 152 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: of thinking, you know, in the days after it was 153 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: announced and then settled and started. So since October seven, 154 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 1: you've got the worst mass attack on Jews since the Holocaust, 155 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: the worst mass murder of Jews in the twenty first 156 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: century since the Second World War. Then you have the 157 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: retaliation by Israel against her mass which also involves the 158 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: mass killing of huge numbers of civilians, more than forty 159 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: thousand so far, and that is in total, a lot 160 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: of them mass fighters. Obviously the numbers are disputed anyway. 161 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 1: So you've got this horrendous act of provocation on October seven, 162 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: then you've got this massive scale retaliation, and then about 163 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: fifteen months later, okay, to cease fire, you give back 164 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: the rest of the hostages you took. Indeed, not all 165 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: of them are alive, but still and then we'll hand 166 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: over almost two thousand, one one nine hundred or so 167 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: prisoners detainees that we've got in Israel, and we'll give 168 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: them back to you. And that's that. That's what all 169 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: this bloodshed, potentially World War three in the Middle East, 170 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: and that's what it comes down to. And you have 171 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: to wonder just what the point of all of this was, 172 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: if not just sheer destruction, if not just sheer burn 173 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: it all. That was Hamasa's objective when they launched the 174 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: terror attack. Israel was about to forge a new treaty 175 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: with Saudi Arabia which they were working towards under the 176 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: Abraham Accords, which was started last time Donald Trump was 177 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: in offer, and Hamas and Hesbla, the lad of which especially, 178 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: but both of which receive huge amounts of money from 179 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: Shia Iran, which is deeply opposed to Sunni Saudi Arabia, 180 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: and didn't want it to get any more influence, and 181 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: of course wants to wipe Israel off the face of 182 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: the map as well. Decided no, we have to blow 183 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: this up, so they blow that up. And then you 184 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: have the other objective of terrorism in any sort of 185 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: organized capacity, and that is to try to provoke. And again, 186 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: this is something that the IRA posits. I'm not sure 187 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: if they think about it that hard. I think a 188 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: lot of them just like killing their enemies. But there 189 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: is a school of thought that one objective of terrorism, 190 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: especially when the terrorists are laboring under the illusion that 191 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: they're actually just freedom fighters for a noble cause, is 192 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: that you provoke such a heavy handed response from your 193 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: enemy that you actually create sympathy for your side. And 194 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: guess what, it worked. Israel had a huge amount of sympathy, 195 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: an overwhelming amount of sympathy on October seven, twenty twenty three, 196 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: after the attacks, to the point where a lot of people, 197 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: I think, even who were skeptical of his rabant, oh God, 198 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: maybe they were onto something. After all. Maybe these people 199 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: really were out to get them, really do hate them, 200 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: really do want to wipe them from the planet. And 201 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: then understandably Israel, as the US did after nine to eleven, 202 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: Israel just roared. It was so shocked and horrified, not 203 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: just by the scale of the attack but by their brutality. 204 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: And so Israel just goes, like Russell Crowe in Gladiat 205 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: just goes unleash hell, unleash hell, and they just you know, 206 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: and they did. They gave people warning, they said, get out, 207 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: go south whatever. They said, we're going to do this, 208 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: We're going to launch these strikes. You better not be there. 209 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,119 Speaker 1: And of course there were facilities underneath, you know, hospitals 210 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: or schools or whatever that Harmas was using. Harmas was 211 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: using an underground network, and of course the way to 212 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: get bombs underground is through the ground. And so there 213 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: were either by accident or by way of you know, 214 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: collateral damage as it's euphemistically called. There were huge numbers 215 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: of civilians killed in order for Israel to meet its 216 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: objectives to kill the Hummus masterminds who organized the attack. 217 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: The number one mastermind who organized the attack was, in fact, 218 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: a former Israeli detainee released in a former prisoner swap, 219 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: so it tells you something as well. And so they 220 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: managed to do that, and MASS manages to do that, 221 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: but to what to what end? Itself gets wiped out? 222 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: Its leader gets wiped out, pretty much, all of its 223 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: militants get wiped out, and it is no more. And 224 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 1: what's in it for Israel? They get rid of her 225 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: Mass is a military leadership, but they've probably radicalized, made 226 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: generation of new enemies who grew up in the rubble 227 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: of Gaza, who aren't going to understand the context, who 228 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: have been fed on lies and propaganda on their side, 229 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: and who will hate Israel, possibly even more. And then 230 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: you have this hostage and prisoners swap where effectively her 231 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: Mass is replenishing all the terrorists or the extremists, the fighters, 232 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: the warriors that it lost to Israel that I got killed. 233 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: It's replenishing at stocks, getting them all back out of charm. 234 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: And Israeli course has to do this because it needs 235 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: to get these innocent people who have been living these 236 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: abulminable conditions back to it. At both sides are immeasurably, 237 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: immeasurably worse off than they were before this started. And 238 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: that's what I thought when the ceasefire happened. A cease 239 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: fire we can't even guarantee will hold, because as soon 240 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: as there's some kind of breach, you can guarantee it, 241 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: we'll all start up again. You just think, is that 242 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: really good news? Or does this your show? How absolutely 243 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: utterly stupid and pointless and ugly this whole episode has been. Well, look, 244 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: I promised you earlier in the show that we were 245 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: going to solve the Australia Day problem once and for all. 246 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: Every year it rolls around almost as though it's an 247 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: annual event, the debate around whether or not January twenty 248 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: sixth can actually be celebrated or commemorated or acknowledged as 249 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: Australia Day, given it was the day of white settlement 250 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: here in Sydney and that whites out recognition of you know, 251 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: forty sixty whatever it is, thousand years of indigenous history. Well, 252 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: there is one solution that keeps popping up. It was 253 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: a solution that one Indigenous leader proposed, and then I 254 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: saw another Indigenous leader propose it completely as though it 255 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: was a separate thing. And I was actually chatting to 256 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: a maid of mine and I had this idea. I think, 257 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is what we could do. And 258 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: then he said, no, no, there's actually two other indigenous 259 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: leaders who thought of that before you. And then a 260 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: political soulmate of mine, fellow traveler, if you will, who 261 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: is a very influential and interesting thinker in the Labor Party, 262 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: he came up with the exact same idea as well, 263 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: except he knew where it came from. Point being, we've 264 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: got it solved. Nick diron Firth, the executive director of 265 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: the John Curtin Research Center, Welcome to the real Story. 266 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: How are you come? 267 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: Good night? Thanks Jesse. Flattery will get you everywhere in life. 268 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: It certainly got me thus far. It got me this podcast. 269 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: It's fabulous to be here. 270 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: It is fabulous to have you, my friend. I can't 271 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: believe it' sagan say, so, talk us through. You've written 272 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: a great piece for the Australian Financial Review, even though 273 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: it is technically a rival newspaper to my own. But 274 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm nothing if not magnanimous, and that's what australiaday should 275 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: be about. Bringing people together. We're not opposing sides, We're 276 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: all part of the same family. And talk us through 277 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,120 Speaker 1: your idea to save Australia Day. 278 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: This is an original argument. 279 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 4: You know, Noel Pierce and someone that I have a 280 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 4: huge amount of times, huge amount of respect for because 281 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 4: you know, he's idealistic and he's pragmatic, so he's a 282 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 4: bit of a soul mate to me. And I think 283 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 4: that's the way you think as well. You know, you've 284 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 4: got to be you've got to have you know, soft heart, 285 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: hard head. That's that's the way to get things done 286 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 4: in life and to be in the center. So he's 287 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 4: made this really interesting argument about Australia Day, which I 288 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 4: like a lot. I've advanced it because I think can't 289 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: be left to Indigeno Australians and I don't like the 290 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 4: device of messy debate, and it's it's like Grand It's 291 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 4: like the movie Grand Dog Day. 292 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: Straight ay. 293 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 4: And we had the far left out there talking about 294 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 4: change the dates, and then we have you know, some 295 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: of the right who I just don't think have any 296 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 4: They lack empathy, they lack they lack the ability to 297 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 4: put themselves in the shoes of the First Nations people, 298 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 4: Indigenous Australians and understand why there's a problem with January 299 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. So Noel's argument is we're not going 300 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 4: to change the date. Okay, it's too divisive, it's not 301 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 4: going to get up. 302 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 2: Okay. And I make the argument, you know, have a 303 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: look what happened with the voice. 304 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 4: You saw what happened with the Voice, Joe, have looked 305 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 4: what happened with you know, Joe and I? 306 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 2: You and I, we're old enough to devote in. 307 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 4: The ninety ninety nine friend them two very similar results. Mate. 308 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 4: What happened was the inner cities vote yes to both proposals. 309 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 4: Bervia went out from the CBD into the middle and 310 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: out of suburbs into the regions. 311 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 2: The no vote went higher and higher and higher. 312 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 4: And that would if you had a vote about changing 313 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 4: the date, that would happen again. All it would do 314 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 4: You'd have a nasty, divisive debate and it would get 315 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 4: us nowhere. 316 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: Okay. 317 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 4: The other the other crucial point to make too and 318 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 4: mine are made of mind, caused samaras. I think you know, 319 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 4: because you know, Cos makes a brilliant point because when 320 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 4: people go why do people vote know to the voice, 321 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 4: why would why don't they want to change the date? 322 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 4: And Cos says, do you know what lots of migrants 323 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 4: most migrants when they become Austraians. When do they become 324 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 4: Australians and become a strainers on Australian Day, So they 325 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 4: have what he calls a sentimental. 326 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: Attachment to day. 327 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 4: So it's not we're not going to change the date, okay, 328 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 4: but we need to actually think about the sensitivities around 329 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 4: the date. My idea of patriotism, Joe is, you know, 330 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 4: it's a dignified pride in Australia. I think we're the 331 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: greatest country on Earth. 332 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,880 Speaker 2: Agreed, do so much right when one. 333 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 4: Of the oldest continuous democracies is on Earth. You know 334 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 4: where the land of liberty and freedom, the fair go. 335 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: Egalitarianism is etched in our souls. But real patriots actually 336 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 4: look at their country and go, how can we make 337 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 4: it better? 338 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: Okay? 339 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 4: And so this is why proposing this idea around January 340 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 4: twenty sixth, extend the date, hashtag, extend the date. That's 341 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 4: what Noneaston argues, being pragmatic. Why are we stretched over 342 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 4: January twenty five? January twenty sixth, okay? As he as 343 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 4: he says on sevent eighty eight, on the twenty fifth 344 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 4: of January, Indigenous people call them Aboriginal nations. They had 345 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 4: cebignty over the entire continent of what we now call Australia. Okay, 346 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 4: the next day, on the twenty sixth of January, the 347 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 4: British are roped up and declared sovereignty in the name 348 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 4: of the British Mona over the entire continent. So in 349 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 4: that's space of twenty four hours, we've had a sort 350 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 4: of change, you know, tens of thousands of years just overnight. 351 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: No, you know, arn ull is. 352 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: But you know, also you can't pretend that that didn't 353 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: happen as well, exactly. That's right. 354 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 4: In a day is the worst way to go about it, 355 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: because you're, you know, want to move it to I 356 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 4: don't know, you know, whenever throughout the year, you know, 357 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 4: Saint Patrick's Day, my birthday, March seventeen, that'd be a 358 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 4: great What you're doing is a raising history. You cancel 359 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 4: in history, and it's actually it's counterproductive because you're getting 360 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 4: people to forget the parts. 361 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: Right, everything's fine, Oh, I know it was it was 362 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: New Year's Day because that's when we became a federation 363 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: in nineteen oh one. It's like, yeah, yeah, but a 364 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: lot happened. 365 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 4: That's not the way that people actually want people to 366 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: think hard, Okay, And so extend the date, have it 367 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 4: over two days, January twenty five, and these are public holidays. 368 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 4: January twenty five should be a day of introspection of somberction. 369 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 2: Led by Indigenous Australians. 370 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 4: Okay, absolutely, Then January twenty six, we roll unto January 371 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,360 Speaker 4: twenty six. We fire up the barbecues, we crack out 372 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 4: the tinnies or stubbies or you know, my case is 373 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 4: non alcoholic mocktails. 374 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: These days, you know, sad Joe, aren't We. 375 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 4: Breath the roam of these days and we celebrate what 376 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 4: makes Astray great, and we sort of and we plan, 377 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 4: we talk about how we can make this country the 378 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 4: greatest country and even better. 379 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: I just I love that I cannot punch a hole 380 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: in it for the life. I mean, it seems like 381 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: the perfect solution. 382 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 2: Who's going to vote against it? 383 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: You couldn't exactly And I think even instead of extend 384 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: the date, you could call it double the date, double 385 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 1: your day. I couldn't have put it better myself. And 386 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: that's why we got you on the show. Nick darren Firth, 387 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: Executive director of The John Curtin Research Center. Thank you 388 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: very much for coming on. 389 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: Thanks a pleasure. 390 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: Well that's all we have time for this week. Hope 391 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: you enjoyed it. 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