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Speaker 2: Sorry?

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Speaker 3: Brother?

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Speaker 1: Love you guys, good start. I was sitting there last

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Speaker 1: night in bed and I had a dream about you guys,

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Speaker 1: and I woke up a three am to have a

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Speaker 1: glass of water, and I was like, how lucky we

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Speaker 1: are just to have such a good family. If you've

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Speaker 1: been taking drugs, no I haven't. I was better as serious.

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Speaker 2: Don't take him super fed or you and this woke

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Speaker 2: up in these many high or something.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I just thought it was at last. Well,

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Speaker 1: I we don't say that enough to each other.

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Speaker 3: I believe that because he came into me and Jem's

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Speaker 3: bedroom this morning with the dog and he was just

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Speaker 3: pretty much sitting at the end of our bed and

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Speaker 3: he was just telling us how much he loves us.

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Speaker 2: Have you two Himbecile has been overdosing on doctor Phield

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Speaker 2: or something.

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Speaker 1: Well, do you not like being told that we love you?

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Speaker 2: I don't think you've ever told me that.

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Speaker 1: I love you. Yeah, well I am doing it now,

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Speaker 1: and it's probably there's probably a reason for that, because

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Speaker 1: how you're.

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Speaker 2: How lucky we are.

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Speaker 1: And I think the first thing I said is we

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Speaker 1: recorded the podcast, was I love you blokes.

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Speaker 2: Your broad brush though.

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Speaker 4: When you say when you say blokes, it's not very personal.

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Speaker 2: It is it isn't it isn't.

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Speaker 1: Well, I love you dad.

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Speaker 2: Thanks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we got on too low you guys a ship mate.

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Speaker 2: Thanks mate, Well twenty don't go on the in the NRL,

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Speaker 2: the National Rugby League.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is. There's lots to get to, obviously, the

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Speaker 1: sacking of Anthony Ceboll, the appointment of Kieran Forum. But

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Speaker 1: the first thing I wanted to touch on Matthew raw dogging.

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Speaker 1: We said, for those people listening to the Family podcast

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Speaker 1: last week, you and I made a bet that you

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Speaker 1: couldn't raw dog six hours in the backyard, just looking

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Speaker 1: at a fence in the middle of the sun, and

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Speaker 1: by god, you did it. How was it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Ah, those middle hours are rough. It's funny when

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Speaker 2: you get to a certain point the last two hours

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Speaker 2: actually went quick. Probably. Yeah, those hour hour two to

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Speaker 2: four was was really rough. But I've got a lot

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Speaker 2: thinking about you two blakes, what about thinking about movies.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, I actually thought I'll spend the time

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Speaker 2: the usual Suspects too.

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Speaker 4: That means returns, and that means the return of Kevin's face.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah's nephew that comes back. Well, the thing about

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Speaker 2: Kais he's got away. He just winded off. Guys like

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Speaker 2: that who are primeval. You know, they don't do it

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Speaker 2: He's gone away. He hasn't just gone away and club

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Speaker 2: drinking cocktails all day for the rest of his life. Man,

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Speaker 2: he wants to get back in. He wants to get

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Speaker 1: They do it for a rush, right, like they do

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Speaker 1: it for the love of the game.

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Speaker 2: Will they say what's the end game? With a lot

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Speaker 2: there isn't a real end game. They just do it

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Speaker 1: He's not a good guy. A lot of feedback.

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Speaker 2: Have you met him?

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Speaker 1: But I mean everything I read online and I get

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Speaker 2: I give him a chance.

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Speaker 1: This is a great actor, Give him a chance. I wanted.

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Speaker 1: Also a lot of feedback from our listeners, our back fences,

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Speaker 2: I well, I missed the first game. Yeah, I missed

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Speaker 4: Who could have seen it coming?

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Speaker 1: And Jack did? Jack tipped Jack, Jack dip.

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Speaker 3: I took them all week last week broken a bar

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Speaker 4: I've been telling people all week and I've been coppying

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Speaker 4: nothing jack Ship all week about it. Hey, from the

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Speaker 2: To win that game.

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Speaker 1: Your real medium mobile? Now, ain't you Jack getting around

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Speaker 1: getting your tentacles.

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Speaker 2: And things talking and fancy youtub as well?

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Speaker 1: How many networks you've been on your whole career?

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Speaker 2: That's true, but it's been over twenty six years, that's true.

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Speaker 1: Spat it out, but no, Jack great tip. Jackie is

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Speaker 1: very tinny in that sense, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: He can pick a He'll just randomly throw something out.

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Speaker 1: Everyone looks this way, and he goes, no, I think

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Speaker 4: Respect that you definitely know that was ras Man that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's always been like that, you know, whenever there's

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Speaker 2: Bull's eye. There's always been things. He is tinny, There's

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Speaker 1: And like Pokys, like Casino, Well, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't want to hear that because I'm a father. I

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Speaker 2: don't let I don't like the thought of my son

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Speaker 1: Well, we don't like the thought of We don't like

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Speaker 1: But we see that a lot when I was working

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Speaker 1: I was going, right.

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Speaker 2: Because it's the process. It's it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's about the rush.

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Speaker 2: My grandfather when he used to go fishing. I've told

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Speaker 1: Do you love it? You love it the water Bell's

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Speaker 2: Let's just go and have a look at that where

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Speaker 2: the well I threw the urine. It wasn't a pleasant

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Speaker 2: So what I did. I shuffled the chair wall I

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Speaker 1: Don't say that now because you think it's a bad luck.

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Speaker 1: If you rolled in urine.

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Speaker 2: It was an hour and a half earlier. Like I

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Speaker 2: just I just I lost or control of what I

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Speaker 4: And were We're really going into quite a change in here.

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Speaker 2: How about you move on about me? Move on me,

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Speaker 2: move to other things. Like Anthony Seabell, I asked you

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Speaker 1: You've never known a spell it? Anthony seabel sacking, What

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Speaker 1: you think it was the right decision? Do you think

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Speaker 1: it was too quick? Only three games into a two

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Speaker 2: Yes, into a two year extent.

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Speaker 2: They must get like some of these coaches, their managers

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Speaker 2: to lose them. Like, you know, with all due respect

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Speaker 2: going to pounce on Subes? Do you think there was

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Speaker 2: a necessity for him for them to extend.

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Speaker 1: They probably weren't in a position where in terms of

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Speaker 1: I think at that stage, much like a lot of

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Speaker 1: the coaches in the NL, you probably you probably just

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Speaker 3: Well yea from memory, Actually last year they'd gone on

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Speaker 3: a bit of a two or three game winning streak

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean that's the thing, am I even

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Speaker 2: going on it? Like you can go on to four

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Speaker 2: game winning streak and still like you wouldn't say that

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Speaker 2: I just think sometimes they react too quickly. Obviously, the

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Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's what the managers do, right. The

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Speaker 2: Coop. I don't think in memory, I can't remember a

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Speaker 2: they've obviously, you know, this is the club that's had

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Speaker 2: There's some things that at clubs, when you hear things,

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Speaker 2: The thing that did concern me and I know at

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Speaker 2: Is that not giving Jake Trevovich the captaincy an alarm

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Speaker 2: To not give him the captaincy, to have Jake Travoyvich

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Speaker 1: Well we're gonna we're going to get on.

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Speaker 2: Who knows. But I tell what I would have done.

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Speaker 2: You're the best leader in this side. Mate. We're going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just want to talk about Jake for

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Speaker 1: So you're hoping now that one thing about Kieran forew

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Speaker 2: They will they will, they will mate, they will, they'll

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Speaker 2: for Kieran. That's the thing about Kieran. There's no one,

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Speaker 1: I don't even think manly game. I think NRL. I

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Speaker 2: Is exactly the same. And keep your Right is just

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Speaker 4: The ball, so it's not like he touched the ball

436
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Speaker 4: towards the whole game.

437
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,399
Speaker 2: And you can see with the roosters are trying to

438
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 2: get him on the edges, so they're pushing the ball across.

439
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, like the thing of me is right with Fozz.

440
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 2: From here, there will definitely be a pick up in

441
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 2: their football. You just you'll see a pick up in

442
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 2: their effort. What this is going to be a really

443
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,119
Speaker 2: big test of Jason Kings. He's just coming to that

444
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,160
Speaker 2: role and a big, big test of what he does

445
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,120
Speaker 2: with his leadership from here. Interim coaches are always interesting, coop,

446
00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 2: and particularly someone like Kieran who is just so easily respected,

447
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,120
Speaker 2: easily respected by all his former teammates, you know, all mate,

448
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,200
Speaker 2: basically anyone involved with that manly club just give him

449
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 2: so much respect, and these current players do anything for him.

450
00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,960
Speaker 2: So there's going to be a naturally a pickup in

451
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 2: their football. Now if they go out and they're going

452
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 2: to win this weekend, then they win the next weekend

453
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,439
Speaker 2: all of a sudden with interim coaches. You see him

454
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 2: start to go on a bit of a run. What

455
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 2: happens when they are on a bit of a run,

456
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 2: particularly who is so loved by their supporters, the noise

457
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 2: starts to get louder. Sign him, signing, You've got to

458
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,160
Speaker 2: sign him now. My advice. If I had a conversation

459
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 2: with Follows and we had him here and I sometimes

460
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,840
Speaker 2: have a yard to him and see him at work

461
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Speaker 2: and everything, I'd say, Follows, even if you win eight

462
00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 2: in a row, Mate resists the temptation to take the job. Like, honestly,

463
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: I this, I've just seen this so many times. Maddie

464
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 2: Ballen's a bloke and I think he is the red

465
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: hot favorite. He's the guy that I think will almost

466
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Speaker 2: certainly get the job. He's done it, he's done. I've

467
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 2: got a long apprenticeship now. And even Mate, you go

468
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 2: to Follows and if you said to Fols, hey listen,

469
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to let you know, mate, do you want

470
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: to take the job. The job's yours if you want it.

471
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 2: My guess that Foes would say, I'm not ready. That's

472
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Speaker 2: what That's what I think he would say.

473
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Speaker 1: We had him here and we made a video about

474
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Speaker 1: it yesterday, but we had we had him here two

475
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: weeks ago and you asked him if he got an

476
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Speaker 1: interest to be a coach and he said, Maddy, I'll

477
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 1: be interested in doing coaching down the line, but I

478
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 1: am in no rush to be a head coach. Obviously,

479
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 1: twelve days later his coach gets sacked. Now he's a

480
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Speaker 1: head coach. But I think it's easier said than done.

481
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Speaker 1: You get off at a job I imagine good money,

482
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Speaker 1: and it's it's something that he has an interest in.

483
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Speaker 1: It's it is hard to resist that temptation. But you

484
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Speaker 1: look at you look at a Craig Bellamy, who did

485
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Speaker 1: you know under he was under Tim Sheen's yep, and

486
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Speaker 1: he was under Wayne Bennett for a very long time yep.

487
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Speaker 1: And you need you need to you need to be

488
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Speaker 1: in a head cut like under some head coach. Learning

489
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Speaker 1: different ways is what works what doesn't before you're in there,

490
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: because you go in there sort of not blind, but

491
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 1: not having that experience. You're making the mistakes on the run.

492
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Speaker 1: And if you make enough mistakes, well you don't know

493
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Speaker 1: what you don't know. And one of the things he's

494
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Speaker 1: been an assistant and sitting there and just observing different coaches,

495
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Speaker 1: not observing just what they do.

496
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Speaker 2: Well. You said before, sometimes you're in a system that stinks,

497
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Speaker 2: not going, they good to be in that system for

498
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Speaker 2: a while under a coach to go. Sometimes you learn

499
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 2: what to do by observing what not to do. It

500
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Speaker 2: can be equally as benefitical.

501
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Speaker 4: You know, you can learn. That's where I think a

502
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Speaker 4: lot of assistants can get it wrong.

503
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Speaker 3: Is like you can learn what players dislike by being

504
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Speaker 3: in those systems. Whereas when there's everything's going great and

505
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 3: you're in a team that wins a lot, you actually

506
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Speaker 3: don't get the luxury well, the I don't know if

507
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Speaker 3: you call a luxury of seeing that sort of stuff.

508
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I want you to be act like Fozz.

509
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: You're coming to the room, you're talking to me.

510
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Speaker 1: This is what sorry, this is what.

511
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Speaker 2: This is what people seriously do with as far as

512
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,239
Speaker 2: when they go into a room and they're not going

513
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: to take the job and suddenly they walk out and

514
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: they go, god, I'm head coach. Here it's like this.

515
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: I'm just selling it to you, you know, Afoz here

516
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 2: you go and mate, you know, hey, listen, we've had

517
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 2: a great run, mate, the boys. We've won five of

518
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: the last six. Fantastic, mate, you're really pulling the club together, mate,

519
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: the boys talking so you know so well of you. Listen, mate,

520
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: we want to build a really good coaching team around you. Mate.

521
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: We want to make you the head coach. You've just

522
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: got it, mate, Don't worry, mate. I know you're thinking

523
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: at the moment. You know, I'm not sure if I'm

524
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Speaker 2: ready for this, Mate. I swear what we're going to do.

525
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: We're going to bring so and so from here, so

526
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 2: and so from there. They're going to be assistance. One

527
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: thing you've got to understand these days here and you

528
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: don't have to be out there doing everything. One of

529
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Speaker 2: the things are mate, you're a really strong figure and

530
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Speaker 2: the players respect you. If you look at Belloy, mate,

531
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Speaker 2: he's not on the field yelling at them all the time. Mate.

532
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Speaker 2: The other thing about it is right, just think about this.

533
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Speaker 2: You'll get the best out of these players. They've won

534
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Speaker 2: five of the last six. How good do they look?

535
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: What was whatever was happened before that? The way they're

536
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: trying to play it wasn't work. You got them going now, mate,

537
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: Do you want to walk away? Not take this job?

538
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: And suddenly someone else comes in and takes advantage of

539
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 2: your good work. Who knows in two years times win

540
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 2: a competition that could be your competition.

541
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Speaker 1: King, King, I think you're right. Can I ask you

542
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: a question? Why are you naked?

543
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Speaker 6: Because I'm right holding five hundred thousand dollars and now

544
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 6: this is your only five hundred Well that's it, And

545
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 6: can you understand what it's going there? Now you're going

546
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 6: to get a massive pay rise and on top of that.

547
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Speaker 2: You've had a good winning run. Am I going to

548
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 2: relinquish this job for someone to come in? Mate? Who

549
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: knows what happens? Is like, maybe you should? Maybe I

550
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: should have taken the gin. Maybe I would have could

551
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: have got him in the top four.

552
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Speaker 1: Can I ask you a question. It's not coaching, but

553
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: it's still business, and I think it's still about like

554
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: learning and another industry that need experience in Like obviously

555
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: you're on the footage and then you go and do

556
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: your own Channel seven show and you've admitted to us

557
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: before in terms of you probably won't you don't know

558
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: what you don't know? You obviously at the time just thought, oh,

559
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: what a great opportunity for me. I've been in the

560
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: media a while already, but you haven't been in that

561
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: sort of hosting straight role. What did you learn from

562
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: that experience?

563
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Speaker 2: What I learned learn a couple of things. You have

564
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: to it's like commentating hostings. Like commentating, it takes your

565
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: while to find your own voice. And a lot of

566
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: a couple of things I learned was at times I

567
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: had people trying to convince me to be something that

568
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Speaker 2: I wasn't.

569
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Speaker 1: That's the same as coaching too.

570
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 2: Yes my word is. And what I what I learned

571
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: as well is if you go in there, you have

572
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: to take your ideas and you've got to be strong

573
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: with your ideas. Me going in that Channel seven show,

574
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Speaker 2: the people were so good to me, they were fantastic,

575
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: but they were TV people. They were purely TV people,

576
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 2: and most of them were light entertainment people, actually sports people.

577
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: So a lot of times and they certainly weren't rugby

578
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: league people, so a lot of times they wanted me

579
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 2: to do you know this, where I wanted to do that.

580
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: I wanted to take it in a slightly different way.

581
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: But they're the TV people, they're the ones put the

582
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: money in and they insisted and I relinquished that and allowed

583
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: them to looking back in hindsight, I should have been stronger,

584
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: but I probably wasn't in a position to do it.

585
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 2: The other thing is just just little things like this.

586
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: I used to watch, say someone like Sterlo when he

587
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 2: used to host a Sunday and foot show, and I

588
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: thought to himselves, that's how you do it. And when

589
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: Slo was Sterlough is unbelievable, really really good at doing

590
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: good monologues. To start a shower, I got everyone, You're

591
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: welcome to round four of the National Rugby League today.

592
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: We've got Ilawarra up against so and so and this

593
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: and the other, blah blah blah, and you can talk

594
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: for even up to about a minute and then go

595
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: and welcome Paul Vaughton, Steve Blockerache and so. I used

596
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: to watch that and go, oh right, that's how your

597
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: host and mate, I was just tying myself a knots.

598
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: I was rambling. It was just like and couldn't find

599
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: a way out where Now if I host what I

600
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: realized after a while, what am I doing? I'm not

601
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: good at those monologues. They just keep it simple. So

602
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 2: when the show starts, now I say welcome to the show,

603
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: Welcome to Fletcher HEINDI welcome to Joe were hay Graves right,

604
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: our com boys, Let's get on with the show now.

605
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: That's what I do. That's what I learned from going

606
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 2: away and doing that and making my miss It's good.

607
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: It's a good point because I feel so many coaches

608
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: who assistant coaches who leave, like a Craig Bellamy or

609
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: a Wayne Bennett, they try to be them. Like you said,

610
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: they're trying to be They see what they've seen and

611
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: they go sweet rather than playing to their strengths, they

612
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: basically just do an imitation role and they just try

613
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: to be this person that they aren't really deep down,

614
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 1: and players see straight through it because they're just trying

615
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: to be another.

616
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: They take the tactics, they take everything, and particularly Wayne.

617
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: Wayne is a great example when they go away. When

618
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: people go away from Wayne, they go, Okay, that's what

619
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: Wayne does. Wayne does this. You know, he's a minimalist,

620
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't talk that much, and so they try to

621
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: go away of soon this so many times and they

622
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: try to be that same person Wayne. The magic of

623
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: Wayne's coaching is the invisible. You don't see it. You

624
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: don't you're not privy to those conversations that Wayne is

625
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: having on the side, with one on one conversations with

626
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: players that have boosted them up. All those things that

627
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: you don't see, and it's the aura, and that's and

628
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: that was Craig Bellamy. One of the secrets of his

629
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: success was number one, a long apprenticeship under two iconic coaches,

630
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: Tim Sheen's and Wayne Bennett, but thirdly, the ability to

631
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: formulate his own ideas and his own persona. Both of

632
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: those men, Wayne Bennett and Tim Sheen's are so different

633
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: to Craig Bellamy, yet there is biggest influences.

634
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: And sorry, she's.

635
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: I love when we talk for you love shape too.

636
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: I love shape. I had a three hour conversation with

637
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: Tom Birmingham the other night on the beer. It's just

638
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: about shape. He was just asking me questions and I

639
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: just I realized after three hours he hadn't said a

640
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: word and I was just rambling like Stirlo's monolog.

641
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: I felt like I got set up once all the

642
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: boys go, mate, come upstairs at the cast and with

643
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: a magic ground. Then they're like, mate, mate, come on, man,

644
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: he talks a bit of shape, so I naturally get

645
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 2: carried away. I actually got everyone in the pub to

646
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: form sequences and shape formations. I was running it through.

647
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: I was sitting there. I was having the best time

648
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: of life. Then I sort of turned around once after

649
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: about two hours, and I saw her a couple of

650
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: the blokes laughing, and I thought, on the butt of

651
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: the jokes, and I just I never knew there was

652
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: a couple of videos fighting around a view in there well,

653
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: like pushing pushing girls into like outside.

654
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: Be like, see when I go into the line, you

655
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: push into this hole and then I'm looking at you,

656
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: but I'm playing at the back.

657
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: So I was going up at slow motion once and

658
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: you're right, And I had a girl, a woman who

659
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: was pretending like she was the be defender, and I

660
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: was like, right now, you see this now, mate, Journe,

661
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: here she is my target defender. So I'm going to

662
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: go to Alice and I'm just going to suddenly till

663
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: a line on the inside and I'm going to drift.

664
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: Now me looking on the inside of Alice, Suddenly June

665
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: will gravitate to me. Now, Helen, what I need you

666
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: to do. I need you to replace the space the June.

667
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: I'll pull her out, hit thet right half of the hole.

668
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: It was at that point that I turned around thinking

669
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: to myself, Fuck, I'm doing a good job and they're.

670
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: All laugh June, Alice and Helen. Sounds like a retirement

671
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: village that you pluck them out of.

672
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: Come on, June, get out of the wheelchair.

673
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: Let's shout out to shout out to Tally Cherry Evans

674
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: as well. The rumors started with him leaving the club

675
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: and it ended with him beating mainly at home. I mean,

676
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: he has completely derailed a club.

677
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: Well, hang on a second, Hang on a second. What

678
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 2: does Cooper John's got in common in common with Dally

679
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 2: Cherry Evans. Well, one is they both played at Manly.

680
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: But the big one is the fact they're both destroyed organizations.

681
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 2: Dally leaves Manly, they just go boop off a cliff

682
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: and of course you leave Kiss FM and it has

683
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: resulted in a nuclear war.

684
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: You're not the only bloke that said that to me, right,

685
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: So Me, Harry, Grant and Chez have a group chat.

686
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: So we'll just whenever the other person's playing, just pick

687
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: those names up. So sorry, let me just pick those

688
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: names if I dropped, So like when Harry was playing

689
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: last night, while he's playing me and Dally will just

690
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: bag him while he's playing. Everything he does critic and

691
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: then when the other person gets in the sheds, they

692
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: just see we've been bagging them the whole day. But

693
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: yesterday before Harry's game, Harry goes, Wow, my friends, I've

694
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: just worked out the purpose of this group. Chat Chez

695
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: out of Menally and it absolutely explodes behind him, Cooper

696
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: out of Kyle and Jackie oshow and it absolutely explodes

697
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: explodes behind him. I think it's my time now. And

698
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: then we said what are you going to explode? He goes,

699
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't figured that out yet. Four hours

700
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: later he had the goalkicking duties and they get beat

701
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: by the Cowboys by four points. And then after the

702
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: game he goes, fuck, I wish I was a better goalkicker.

703
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: So does belly ache.

704
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: Oh that is brilliant.

705
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: What style of football they'll play? This is a great

706
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: opportunity for Fozz. He comes into a situation where the

707
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: club is at a lower eb he can walk in there,

708
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: He's got a blank piece of paper and go right,

709
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: what are we going to do?

710
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 3: I've actually had a question for you on that. Colvi

711
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: actually midyear can he do much to change the attack,

712
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: like is he is it?

713
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: I think the attack. I think the attack can change.

714
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I think there's some system stuff, but their attack hasn't

715
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: changed in three years. They're still running the exact same

716
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: stuff we were running in twenty twenty three. I think

717
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: they need more variation.

718
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: Do you still use the calls Freshy and Jack and Jill.

719
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: Now that stuff's changed. So they've changed the calls, but

720
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: the basically the same attacking system and where points we

721
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: want to get to for this shape. They've been running

722
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: the same thing since twenty twenty three, and the game's

723
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: changed so much with how quick it is now, I

724
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: think they just haven't evolved their attack enough, which I

725
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: think Fozz will be good for that. I think he's

726
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: him only playing last year. He knows what they get

727
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: where this sort of game's at, and he's a great

728
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: attacking player, knows his detail on shapes very good, knows

729
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: how to hold people up the good part of the

730
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: whole people need to punch the hold people up. So

731
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: I think he'll be very good in maybe not necessarily

732
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: changing the whole attack so quickly because he hasn't got

733
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: a lot of time to do that, but just fixing

734
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: up a lot of detail, attention to details. But like

735
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: the biggest d.

736
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: IF tactically, there's a couple of things with mainly I

737
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: find sometimes in sets of six manly not so much

738
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: get lost, but they'll do just a little bit of this,

739
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 2: and then a little bit of a little bit of that.

740
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: They'll push the middle feel back and there's gaps in

741
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: the middle, and suddenly they'll advance the ball towards the sideline. Two.

742
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: I think there's really two systems to play. You can

743
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: implement it. Mainly Manly look fantastic. Mainly look really really

744
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: good when they take some chances with the football. So

745
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: let's talk it. The other one against the Rusters. The

746
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: Rusters can press a little just a step too tight,

747
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: and they go around them and they score. And that

748
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: don't just be a first set like I look at.

749
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: Mainly for me, when I saw that were mainly early on,

750
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: I turned to Fletcher and said, right, watch him. Now

751
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: start MF twenty minutes time, start to play really conservative,

752
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: and they did. If I go in as far as firstly,

753
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: two systems are played. Two things reporting on and say,

754
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: bright our boys, if we're going to push the ball

755
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: to the sideline. If we make moders, guess what we're

756
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: going to do. We're going to hit the ball to

757
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: the other sideline fast movement as well. I think mainly,

758
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: if I was here and i'd go in there and

759
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: I really open up, I'd say, boys, let's have a

760
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: look at the first twenty minutes of these games. Look

761
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: at that football. Look how we're burning them out, mate,

762
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: Look at the points we're accumulating. Why then do we

763
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 2: regress back and start to play conservative. Let's just keep playing.

764
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: Let's keep playing. Let's don't fear error. If we make errors,

765
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: let's just make let's back ourselves to defend it with

766
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: our strong defense. Second, and now, the system of play

767
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: I would do this is they're not getting enough out

768
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: of the middle of the field, not getting enough out

769
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 2: of their nines. I'd say to the nines, hey, listen,

770
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 2: if we get forward and there's a man on the ground,

771
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: just scoop it and just go as quick as you can.

772
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: All I ask of you is if you get when

773
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 2: you get tackled, or if you get tackled, you play

774
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: the balls quickie, can tom mate? If the hooker goes mate,

775
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: I just want you to get your hands on the

776
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: ball and just to tack them through the mill as

777
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: quick as you can. Brooksy, when Tom goes, if he

778
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: gets tackled and plays the ball quick, I want you

779
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 2: to get your hands on the ball. You're the next

780
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: one that goes. And what that does the bills is

781
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: set through directness boom boom boom and vice versa. So

782
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: you've got two systems to play that are so easily

783
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: put it that you're able to implement so easily. We're

784
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: digging it.

785
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm digging it. Sorry. Zigned out about Helen and

786
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: I just zoned out for seton and I came back in.

787
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: You were talking so passionately about shape, and I was like,

788
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: I got a little lost. What I will say is

789
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: and it's a bit of a warning message to queue

790
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,919
Speaker 1: for him, all right, you don't get your shit in order.

791
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: I would say probably before round ten you're in big trouble.

792
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: Part because there's a no, I'm serious, because there's a

793
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: there's a group of coaches coaching SG ball and they're

794
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: ready for an opportunity. We could be the first SG

795
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: ball coaching staff. The coaches SG Ball and I on

796
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: the same.

797
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: What a story that would be? The manly daily would

798
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: just light up. So you've got Lachland croaker head coach, yep.

799
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 2: You got Hank Scorpia, Brad Parker, Brad Parker, and you've

800
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: got the U two Polukas yep. Okay, I mean, what

801
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: could go wrong?

802
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: I can't see anything going wrong. I literally cannot see

803
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: anything going on. And I want to make a statement

804
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: that we're ready and we're coming for curing four.

805
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: I interested had in the paper about eight people that

806
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 2: are after the job. In my opinion, it'll I'm ninety

807
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 2: five percent certainly it'll be be Matt Ballin, Mattie Balch,

808
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: so well thought of at this club.

809
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: Well, the ones that are getting tossed up, Maddi Ballen.

810
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: I've seen nck Ennis's name thrown up and then Brad Arthur,

811
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: Brad Arthur thrown up there as well. Who's I know that?

812
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: I know that.

813
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: I think they were even inquiring about him like a

814
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: year like sort of had conversations potentially what I thought

815
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 1: was the next the certain next coach off the rank

816
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: and he there's rumors that he's already agreed to like handshake,

817
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: agreeing to P and G chiefs is Willie Peters, who

818
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: had on the potty over in Vegas, and he said

819
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: he was potentially keen on a move back to coaching

820
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: NRL side. Could this be a play right? Made he

821
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: stay with me? Could this be a play right? Because

822
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: there was rumors he's agreed hadn't signed yet. They sacked

823
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: Seebs so that they can approach Willy and say, don't

824
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: sign with P and G signed with us for next year?

825
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: Boom, that's that's not a crazy conspiracy. Very much could happen.

826
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: They could have had Willie Peters there going yeah, yeah, mate,

827
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: he's just sitting there. We'll just wait. We've sieves another

828
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: couple of weeks and then and suddenly the P and

829
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: G things happened. They've gone mate, as he signed a

830
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: contract now he hasn't.

831
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 3: The other thing too, is like we're thinking about Willy

832
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 3: is so Willy's like sort of agreed and he sat

833
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: there and then this has happened in that twenty four

834
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: hour period. Even if like it wasn't a part of

835
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: me Andy's plan. Would Willy and I think his manager's Braith,

836
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 3: would they then suddenly go oh, because also that means

837
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: there's someone to negotiate against as well.

838
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: Jack, I don't think I don't think the league. I mean, look,

839
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: if he hasn't signed a contract, I just don't think

840
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: the league would certainly not, they would not want that

841
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: to happen. PMG is such an important project to them.

842
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: It's one of the biggest projects in the history of

843
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: the game that they're undertaking. And obviously they've hunted Willy

844
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: for a reason. I can't I can't see Manly being

845
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 2: able to pull that off because one thing about Manly

846
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: too free, right, that's right. You don't get that at

847
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: brook Vail unless we make an autonomous zone. Who knows,

848
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: mate Manly. I think they're won eight competitions in their existence.

849
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: Yep, sounds about right.

850
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 2: It's only ever been people who have played and won

851
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: competitions with Manly who have won. There's never been a

852
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: non Manly person that's come in and won the competition here.

853
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It is a very territorial place. It

854
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: is as territorial as you get.

855
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: Not as territorial as Narraban, the most territorial suburb in Manly.

856
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: But that's it.

857
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it mainly again Narraben ball riders. If you

858
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: go out in Arabin and you drop in on someone

859
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: that's a death or exile.

860
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 4: That is literally it's almost a death sentence.

861
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I I think that's a little bit. I

862
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: don't like that a little bit. Like you look at

863
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: mad to go up the Broncos and they said the

864
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: same thing about up there, like you can't.

865
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: Be I'm with you. Well I used to be with you.

866
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've heard this so many times and

867
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: scoffed at it, but it continues to be true. It

868
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 2: just continues.

869
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: I just think they haven't found the right person, Like

870
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: if Craig Bellamy out there. Yeah, I think that all

871
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: bets are off.

872
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: Well possibly you don't know that every coach has their Vietnam, and.

873
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: That's clod of the Day's see that on the Daily

874
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: Telegraph to every coach has their Vietnam.

875
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: Every seat now, every single every great coach at one

876
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: point they've gone to a club and things haven't worked.

877
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: There's no guarantee. And I've always I've always scoffed at it.

878
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: I've always thought that's just bullshit. You need to be

879
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 2: a the only person. Actually now I'm a strong believer

880
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: in that because the club it's unlike any other it

881
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: is so you.

882
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: Know, and like let's use Craig Dullomy as example. He's

883
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: had a grade for a long time. He's him, Frank

884
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: Pernisi and everyone who was there establishing that club he's

885
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: been a part of. Like he knows every sort of

886
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: aspect of it and it runs smoothly like a machine.

887
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 1: If he went to Manly, I would say, like he.

888
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 7: Would go in and go, holy ship, this place is

889
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 7: a ship flight because like and the boys know it

890
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 7: as well, Like it was the same that, like it's

891
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 7: just so disconnected and it's all there's always something going on,

892
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 7: like someone's always there's always they're always in the paper

893
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 7: for something like something something's been leaked out of the club,

894
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 7: or there's always someone with a knife at someone's back,

895
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 7: just willing to absolutely stab him in the back.

896
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 2: Well that's when Bob Fulton was there. There was a

897
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: there was always there was sort of there was stability

898
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: when Bozo was in. Bozo was coaching because Mabe he

899
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,439
Speaker 2: just ruled it like a dictator.

900
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: And he knew he'd been there as a player. He

901
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: knew what who everyone is.

902
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 2: He knows who's who in the zoo.

903
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: We knew the backstabbers, he knew the backstabbers inside out

904
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: and then people come in naive to it.

905
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: A number of years ago there was a guy who

906
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: moved into into Manly in a very strong position, leading position,

907
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 2: and he rang me and he said, mate, you've lived

908
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: in the area for a long time now, may could

909
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: I catch up for a coffee? I just want to

910
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 2: lay it know, the layer of the land. He come

911
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: from the outside. He wasn't a manly person. I said, yeah, yeah, yeah,

912
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: good as goal. Anyway, we went and had a coffee.

913
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: It was before he started, and he was like really

914
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: optimistic and this is going great anyway. Best six weeks

915
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: later I rang him and I said, we want to

916
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: catch up for coffee. You see that's going He said, yeah,

917
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: he sounded chipper. He fucking turned up. He just looked

918
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: like he aged about five years and he just went,

919
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: oh my god, he said. He said, it's just he said,

920
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 2: it's just he said, it's a mad house.

921
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know what I look back at like

922
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: seems had success at the Rabbits and then after the

923
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: Rabbit Oz Steeves has had the two worst clubs you

924
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 1: can possibly go to in terms of pressure Broncos who

925
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: they just absolutely like the media absolutely just tore him

926
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: apart and then he comes to meanly, which is just

927
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: an absolute like it's a it's a man managing nightmare

928
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: because you manage not just the players, you're managing like

929
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: people who are just constantly like sort of leaking, Like

930
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: there's just stuff going on everywhere.

931
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: What about we've put jostling for that CEO position. It's

932
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: always going on.

933
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: He's had about three CEOs in there, yes, and a

934
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: couple of like you've had someone that MESSI went in there, Messi's.

935
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: Gone and kings.

936
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I think that's something that like I think people are

937
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 1: probably underestimated in terms of they have a seed people

938
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: Hammred Sieves in there. But at the end of the day,

939
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: like seems just like he's still he's still not a

940
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: bad coach. So he's not he's not like he's still

941
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: a good coach. And I think there's still a club

942
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: that can use Sieves. And while we're on that, I'll

943
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: tell you right now, we'll get him on.

944
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: The poddy is Sieves is seebs because he's had and

945
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: he's had a lot of raps from people when he's assistant.

946
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: Is he he's a question? Is he a better assistant?

947
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: That he isn't a head coach. Is he better providing

948
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: the information to a head coach and then those guys

949
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: the head coach deciphering what's important and what isn't it.

950
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe because he's very intelligent in that sense, and

951
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: assistants probably are more the tactical people, and the coaches

952
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: are more just like the dictator and filter what needs

953
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: to be the important stuff from the bad stuff and

954
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: that the man manages. So maybe maybe he isn't that role.

955
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: I don't know.

956
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: I do feel like with having season Solf, like I

957
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: feel like he it's more with the receiver of the information,

958
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 3: Like he needs particular receivers, people that you know can

959
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 3: sort of like he provides a lot of information, And

960
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: that's why it might work so well from as an

961
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 3: assistant to provide the information for the coach, because you've

962
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: got someone who there who can receive a lot of

963
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: information and knows the game back to front and can

964
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: sort of like go through the information, can filter it out. Yeah,

965
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 3: I feel like sometimes, especially like when you see young

966
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 3: guys today, like the way young people like obviously me

967
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: and Coop came through the grades and we've grown up

968
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 3: with the football education just being in a football family ourselves.

969
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 3: But you see some kids, like honestly, you see some

970
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: kids come into a football system and some of them

971
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: might have never played rugby league before, they might not

972
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 3: even speak English.

973
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: Like it becomes very hard.

974
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: Like that means as a coach you have to just

975
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: scale everything back, you know what I mean. And that's

976
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 3: where it's it's not one blanket fits all right, absolutely not.

977
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: In you spot on Jack, that's a lot of people

978
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 2: don't understand. You've got some kids who you know, might

979
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 2: come out of a Pacivic Island family, right and oftentimes

980
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: in that family, English is the second language. And that's

981
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: that's the way it is. So if your coach, you've

982
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: got you've got to be mindful of that. You can't

983
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: be standing up in front of a whiteboard just going

984
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: rambling and going mate X. Because a lot of and

985
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: it's not just it's not just that. Sometimes it's young

986
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: footballers that have gone through. Well, I'll give you an

987
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: example of someone. Can I give you an example?

988
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: Why would love for you to.

989
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: Give you an example? Give you example again. A number

990
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: of years ago there was a young player at a club.

991
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't the young player he was in his He

992
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: was probably in his mid twenties and played in the

993
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 2: halves and just always like they couldn't get the best

994
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: out of it. And they give him a game plan

995
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: looking to do this, and he just couldn't follow it. Anyway.

996
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, there's got to be son, what

997
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: is it? And I just watched him. I was watching

998
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: the team meeting and the coach was up talking in

999
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 2: the team meeting, and I was made he was just

1000
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: zoned out completely right. Anyways, luck would have it, I

1001
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 2: was talking to someone about it and they went, ah,

1002
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: this fellas, said, mate, I know somewhere relative of mine

1003
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: who coach who actually taught him at school. And I said,

1004
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: would you mind? Could I get their phone? And got

1005
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 2: it rang and I said, listen, I'm doing this work

1006
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 2: with it, but explaining the situation. And they said, yeah,

1007
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: that that kid had a lot of troubles at school,

1008
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 2: who had a lot of trouble. They don't know whether

1009
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: it was you know, ADHD or whatever he had had.

1010
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: He had difficuitely focused in the classroom and he or

1011
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: he really struggled with the academic side of his life.

1012
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: And so in my mind then I thought to myself,

1013
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: that kid if you place that kid or that man

1014
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: in a in an academic type environment, he's going to

1015
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: switch out straight away. So right, how do I how

1016
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: do I? How do I switch this bloke? What do

1017
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: we do? And I just said, mate, every we did,

1018
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: no white board stuff, no exers and as everything we

1019
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: did we just did out on the field, went out there,

1020
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: and mate, he just he changed immediately. You saw straight

1021
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: away his confidence starting to grow. And because he knew

1022
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: things and once he learned them practically, then you could

1023
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 2: take him into that into that academic site and he

1024
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: wouldn't ozone out and seeing the pictures.

1025
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and once once you do it, then you you

1026
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: you put yourself into that piche you're watching it on

1027
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: the screen or watching X.

1028
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: Once he once he knew practically how to do it,

1029
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 2: then he walk into the classroom and go, oh okay,

1030
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: I understand that.

1031
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: Well, I guaranteed this right if we get seems on

1032
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: the potty. Look what we've just look at we've done.

1033
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: We've had the coaches that we've had on right, We've

1034
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: had Keem Soerldo and we've had Jason Rowles. Both have

1035
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: improved out of side his coaches since they've been under

1036
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: our guidance, and then we had Michael.

1037
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 4: They both lost on the weekend, so who cares lost?

1038
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: He gives a ship put great bats when we get

1039
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: ducks occasionally Jack Michael McGuire, We had him on two

1040
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 2: weeks later.

1041
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: What did he get?

1042
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: Dad got the job?

1043
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: Broncos job right? Kiaran Foran comes on two weeks later,

1044
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: basically says he's not even on our podcast, basically says

1045
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: he's not ready for a head coaching role. Two weeks later,

1046
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: what does he get? He's got it head coaching role.

1047
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 4: Who's next?

1048
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 2: Subs? We'll get seves On. You could land the maybe

1049
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: do some backs the Wallaby Melvin Storm do some back

1050
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: seven Billy be able to do that.

1051
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: That does a good shank sound.

1052
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 2: I think Matt Bellen will definitely be the Who do you.

1053
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: Think Jason King's ringing me?

1054
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: Is he really? Yeah?

1055
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 1: Go and take it to pick it up? Jason, still

1056
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: in the potty. You got me to take the head

1057
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: coaching role?

1058
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: Are you fucking ass up?

1059
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: You thought you were serious? How much a million? Are

1060
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: you joking?

1061
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 2: You can't live on that serious? I think it would

1062
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 2: be serious for a second. The way you did it,

1063
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,800
Speaker 2: well done, performed I was actually thinking, mate, Coop, just

1064
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: let him know you're he's on the podcast. You don't

1065
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: even to say so, I'm getting old and Doddie. So

1066
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 2: who do you think? Who do you think is going

1067
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 2: to get the job?

1068
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: I think I think Matti Ballan? Yeah yeah, okay, Well,

1069
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,799
Speaker 1: and like Maddy Ballin is mainly legend, got respect and

1070
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: you know what's good, he's he's one of those. He'd

1071
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: be a good head coach because head coaches you can be.

1072
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: And it's similar at our at our SG ball Like

1073
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: I look at Lachlan Croker's that same, like Matt Ballen

1074
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: build all like understands effort and just look and we'll

1075
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: just more look at the little things.

1076
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 2: Yep. Not.

1077
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't think Maddi Balin's going to sit up there

1078
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: and you know, light the world on fire with attacking

1079
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,720
Speaker 1: concepts and all this stuff. But you just need someone

1080
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: who upholds the standard. That's all Ballier does. Upholds the standard,

1081
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: will show clips of effort and poor effort and how

1082
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: can they can improve it. And that's that's all they

1083
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: have to do. The attacking coach and the defensive coach.

1084
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 1: They'll sort out the rest of the details.

1085
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: I guess I think that following Anthony Subold in would

1086
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: be fantastic because I it is my gut feel is

1087
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: that Steeves has the propensity to overcoach terms. He saturates

1088
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: them with information and when you get saturated by information,

1089
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: the penny will drop eventually, but it takes time. And

1090
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: when the penny drops, you know, oftentimes it is is

1091
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: a coach who walks in with a simplistic attitude and

1092
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, the other stuff starts to

1093
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: come in. I think, like Anthony Subold is a great

1094
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: guy to come in behind Wayne Bennett. Coming in after

1095
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: Wayne is a nightmare because Wayne coaches the person as

1096
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 2: far as bringing the best out of him. He doesn't

1097
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 2: coach science so much.

1098
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 4: We see it like ourselves.

1099
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 3: Like we see like some kids, some kids, it takes

1100
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: either an example or takes a different form of communication

1101
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 3: for them for the penny.

1102
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: To drop too.

1103
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 3: Like we've seen kids where we've tried to sort of

1104
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 3: preached certain structures or certain things for them to do,

1105
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: and they've sort of yes and you know, nodded their

1106
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 3: head at it, and they haven't exactly adopted it the

1107
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 3: way we'd like to. But then one day you just

1108
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: see something happen. It might even be someone come in

1109
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 3: and do it better, and then suddenly you see the

1110
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 3: penny drop and they see it done good, and then

1111
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: they can do it themselves like this.

1112
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: And we don't and don't mention is. Remember when I

1113
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: coach you blokes as young fellas, and all of a

1114
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 2: sudden this young tongue and kid coming to the side

1115
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: he's on and brought him in. Yes, you had a

1116
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 2: bit of size. You boys were pumped, but he just

1117
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: sort of pick and choose when you want to play

1118
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: a little bit. They'd have a run they need overall

1119
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: axe for a while. And I'd go out to him

1120
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: and say, you know, I'd ask him and say, mate,

1121
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: why don't on my side he was Y'd say mate,

1122
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: why don't you think about doing this? Doing that? And

1123
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: he go yeah, yep, yep, sweet matey. But he wouldn't

1124
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 2: so much take it on the field. And I went

1125
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: and saw his dad and I said to his dad,

1126
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 2: I said, mate, he's really talented, young fella. Lovely boy,

1127
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: I said, but mate, I talked to him sort of

1128
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 2: sometimes about stuff and he tells me, you know I'm

1129
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: talking about But then he won't do it, and he

1130
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: said he's not listening to you. And I said, well,

1131
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: what do you think I should do? He said, I

1132
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: just give him a little clip over the head. He said,

1133
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: I can't do that. He goes, no, do it, just

1134
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 2: do it. He listened to you. Then I said no,

1135
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 2: I can't. He said, well, you know, you work out

1136
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 2: something else, and so I thought, right, what can I do?

1137
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: Weeks later Dad just jobbed him.

1138
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 2: So when I went to the young fellow and I said, mate,

1139
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 2: playing this side today, I tell what I'll do for you.

1140
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: Every try year score, I'll give you ten bucks.

1141
00:51:55,640 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: He's scored four try money money makes a round?

1142
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: Okay. Prediction where to mainly end up this year?

1143
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 4: This year.

1144
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: Super League? No, no, I think I mean, I mean

1145
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: the expectations low now right, like they're not expecting them.

1146
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if people expect them to make the eight.

1147
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: I still think they missed the eight given the start

1148
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: that they had, but I think they're definitely going to improve.

1149
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: So I see him coming around. I reckon they'll end

1150
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 1: up around tenth.

1151
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got them around eleven or twelve s. Yeah,

1152
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 2: there's not enough depth in the roster at the moment.

1153
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 4: Rugby League's a nice little fairy tale story.

1154
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,399
Speaker 1: All right, Hang on a sec.

1155
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: I think we're going to see Manly in the last

1156
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 3: two or three rounds slip into the eighth.

1157
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: Wow, that would be big.

1158
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: I hope they do.

1159
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: Second question, do you think that they might try to

1160
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: get Maddy Ballin out of his Broncos contract.

1161
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: Now, I said this to someone the other day. Most

1162
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: assistants who have ambitions to be a head coach, they've

1163
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: got some sort of clause in there. I wonder if

1164
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: Maddy Ballin, Maddy b has the old clause clausey clause.

1165
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: Madge will not be coming for him to go given

1166
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: the faith Beni.

1167
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: Has left as well. From Memory, I don't know they've

1168
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: they've said the falls already though you're coaching this whole year. Yeah,

1169
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't know if that even entertain

1170
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: that you don't bring him in this year like you

1171
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: need to. You need to have your own preseason. You

1172
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: have to set the standard for five months before the

1173
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: season starts. But I'm pretty sure they re signed him

1174
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: from Memory at the Bronx only the back end of

1175
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: the last year, and I'm assuming he's at that time

1176
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: now where he's sort of had that noise. Those drums

1177
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: have been beating, So I'd assume that if his managers smart,

1178
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: he definitely would have had that clause.

1179
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 4: In his contract.

1180
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 2: And you know, for Manly maybe long term you want him,

1181
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: but Broncos for the rest of the rest of this

1182
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: year have another year coaching under the edge. Just that

1183
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: experience under Michael and came out. But I get you

1184
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 2: completely what you're saying there, Jack, even though Manly might

1185
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 2: want him to bring him in straight away, Maddie Ballan,

1186
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: if you give him advice, you'd say, just resist it

1187
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: right now, don't don't take on a job where you're

1188
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: basically the mercy of someone else's president.

1189
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: And the benefit is too like he's a close relationship.

1190
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 3: We play with KINGI and at the same time he

1191
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 3: play with Kieran and there, and it seems like they've

1192
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: all got a good relationship from what I've seen from

1193
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: the outside in. So the benefit of that is that

1194
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: he's not you know, Fozz will be you know, if

1195
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: that's the case, fossibly pushing his messaging and same as Kingy.

1196
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,959
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like King King. He's a good man. Really,

1197
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: he's a bloody good man and a good player. On

1198
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: his day. Just a toiler mate.

1199
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: We just generally mid middle forwards are brother.

1200
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, well not all of them have a loo good

1201
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: plain ass.

1202
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: Well he's an exception to the rule.

1203
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: But Kiki just a good bloke. Just squeeze. That's a

1204
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: hard working blakeer, squeeze just everything he could out of

1205
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: his and I respect that. I love that follows last

1206
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: message for you, watch out because Lockland Croaker is stabbing

1207
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 1: in the back.

1208
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: Who doesn't lot of crocus stab in the back.

1209
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I will see you on. We've got obviously

1210
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: not a guest episode today, but we've got some good

1211
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,280
Speaker 1: stuff coming out. I don't want to give too much away,

1212
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: but hang in there.

1213
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 2: Because it's bloody good, bloody good, mate.

1214
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: It is is good.

1215
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: That's good.