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Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years I was catching killers.

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Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a

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Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories

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Speaker 1: from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw

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Speaker 1: and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some

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Speaker 1: of the content and language might be confronting. That's because

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Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.

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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Eye Catch Killers Christmas Special. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to say much about what happened during this You're

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Speaker 1: just going to have to listen. But the guests that

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Speaker 1: Eloise f Toos, stand up comedian and Rob's the actor

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Speaker 1: mate that I've had on before. Have a listen. It

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Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. We just talked and talked

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Speaker 1: and mucked around and had a bit of fun for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy the episode. Welcome to the Christmas

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Speaker 1: Special of Eye Catch Killers. And I've bought my good

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Speaker 1: mate my off side of the Spike in Rob Carlton

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Speaker 1: and Eloi's f tos. Now. The reason I've brought you

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Speaker 1: guys in. I've been doing true crime all year. I'm tired.

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Speaker 1: And quite frankly, I am just tired. So I'm going

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Speaker 1: to throw it over to you guys, as dangerous as

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Speaker 1: that might be. The podcast is called I Catch Killers,

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's good.

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Speaker 2: I feel a bit bond ass.

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Speaker 1: You've got into the vibe. There's no rules on I

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Speaker 3: Okay, this should be a completely different podcast if I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's hope it's not too good.

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Speaker 4: I will say that they would everyone would be a dog. Actually,

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Speaker 3: Everyone would be Look at spot squad, you know on

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Speaker 3: that quickly what sort of dog would Gary be?

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Speaker 5: Let's play that guy.

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Speaker 2: I love this game.

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Speaker 4: This is I think this is really keeping it light

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Speaker 2: I feel like beautiful no plugs too snorty.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you'd be like a what are those

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Speaker 5: Eyes land shark.

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Speaker 2: I'll take that nice like it's a nice you know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, my takeaway was tough emotionally and tell it. Wow, happy,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, flirting, that's good.

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Speaker 1: We've got to keep an eye. Rob flirting?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, please do not you two flirting with each

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Speaker 3: Hey listen, if you do see sparks flow over here

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Speaker 5: We're just a couple of blokes trying to get through

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Speaker 4: They say, you know there's a metal in this. No,

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Speaker 5: So we've been friends for twenty twenty five years now.

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Speaker 1: Well, how far we can take it? There were some

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Speaker 3: He said, Look, we want to light this thing up,

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Speaker 3: And I thought that sounds onerous, So then I thought,

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Speaker 3: But anyway, the reason I mentioned it might sound sketches,

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Speaker 2: It's very it's inspired. It's me in a white bikini like.

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Speaker 4: And then I said, I said to Robert, I almost

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Speaker 4: of Basic instinct And it's a very sexy, silly show,

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Speaker 3: All right, so that's that's a nice name for your

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Speaker 1: Listening Devices Act? I'd throw that out. That's what one law?

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Speaker 1: might be the brother, it might be someone or even

443
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Speaker 1: the friends that suspect, and you haven't come forward with

444
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Speaker 1: that information. Like there's a disclosure for teachers and medical people,

445
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Speaker 1: but I think the responsibility needs to be on everyone.

446
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Speaker 1: Really got to crack down on that. Yeah, yeah, it's.

447
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Speaker 3: An interesting one off the bat, it sounds sensible immediately,

448
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Speaker 3: there's difficulties with regards to prosecuting about what they know. Yes,

449
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Speaker 3: and so then you're jumping straight into a thought crime area.

450
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Speaker 5: Ye, so there's real, real red flags. They're just on that.

451
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Speaker 1: I get that because you can't have thought laws. But

452
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Speaker 1: I think we need to make people accountable if you're

453
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Speaker 1: aware of it and you've turned the blind eye to it.

454
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Speaker 1: And then there's been cases of people sitting here and

455
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Speaker 1: it's clear as day people close to the perpetrator were

456
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Speaker 1: aware that this was carrying on. They escape prosecution, their

457
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Speaker 1: lives turned up side down because the person's convicted. But

458
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Speaker 1: the impact it has on the people that have been

459
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Speaker 1: sexually abused as children, it just plays out for the

460
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Speaker 1: amount of people in jail, the percentages in jail that

461
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Speaker 1: have been sexually abused, or their life goes off track

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Speaker 1: with mental health issues, drug dependency, that type of thing,

463
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Speaker 1: alcohol dependency. A lot of it stems back from child

464
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Speaker 1: sexual abuse. And I had someone in here just the

465
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Speaker 1: other day and I think one in five males are

466
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Speaker 1: sexually abused and one in three as children, which.

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Speaker 3: Are so to my eye, it's the only crime that

468
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Speaker 3: actively produces more crime.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's what's going to say.

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Speaker 4: When you say there's people in jail, they have been

471
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Speaker 4: Usually that's the starting point of the trauma from that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's a lot of them are the big

473
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Speaker 1: tough gangsters that the bikis, the muscle up bikis. And

474
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Speaker 1: when you strip it down, why they went that way.

475
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Speaker 1: I never want to be a victim again, and they's

476
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Speaker 1: ever going to abuse me again, and they try and

477
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Speaker 1: find their tribe and they present that way and you

478
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Speaker 1: see the amount of people in jail that's happened to,

479
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Speaker 1: and that's why they've gone down that path.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so if we do have listeners, there's a

481
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Speaker 3: lot of resources out there. When I say a lot,

482
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Speaker 3: not as many as there should be. I'm an ambassador

483
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Speaker 3: for Sampson Survivors and Mates Support Network. We support male

484
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Speaker 3: survivors of childhood sexual abuse. So you can go to

485
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Speaker 3: the Samson website. That's s a MSN. They do extraordinary work.

486
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Speaker 3: So if you're out there listening, the chances are you

487
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Speaker 3: haven't spoken of this. So many people don't and it's

488
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Speaker 3: you know, thirty five years I think is the average

489
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Speaker 3: before disclosure. So if you are sitting out there, you're

490
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Speaker 3: not alone. You don't need to be alone, and there's

491
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Speaker 3: people that can help.

492
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Speaker 1: So please good advice.

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Speaker 5: A law that you would change.

494
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Speaker 4: Well I should, I mean, look something that I it

495
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Speaker 4: really got. It's something that really really is. It makes

496
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Speaker 4: me really angry and upset. And the domestic violence, the

497
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Speaker 4: DV cases, the amount of women that are killed in

498
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Speaker 4: this country every years. I feel emotional even just it's

499
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Speaker 4: like a shiver runs down my spine even when I

500
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Speaker 4: talk about it. I just I don't really know the

501
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Speaker 4: exact laws. I have some friends that have had to

502
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Speaker 4: take out abos and it's just sorry to swear, but like,

503
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Speaker 4: what the fuck does that do? I just don't think

504
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Speaker 4: it does enough. And I just wish there was something.

505
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Speaker 4: I mean, I would love to know, Like I wish

506
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Speaker 4: I knew more because I mean, who I mean, God,

507
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Speaker 4: I hope, but there's the amount of my friends that

508
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Speaker 4: haven't even gone to the to the police, maybe because

509
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Speaker 4: I don't feel safe or they don't feel like they'll

510
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Speaker 4: be heard. And unfortunately, it does look like there's a

511
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Speaker 4: lot of cases where that does happen, and I just

512
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Speaker 4: wish that there was I don't know, is what's the solution?

513
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?

514
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Speaker 1: There is a solution. That's something that I've been championing

515
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Speaker 1: and pushing it had Hannah Clark's parents on Clark from Coeensland.

516
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Speaker 1: That was the tragedy of her partner that killed her,

517
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Speaker 1: set her a lot in three children up up in Queensland.

518
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Speaker 1: It was like red flags. It was obviously something was

519
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Speaker 1: going to happen. It was obvious to everyone something was

520
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Speaker 1: going to happen. The AVOs had been taken out, and

521
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Speaker 1: I raised it with Hannah's parents. I said, if an

522
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Speaker 1: ankle bracelet, the tracking device was put on this person

523
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Speaker 1: when the offender, when he was stalking and coming back

524
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Speaker 1: to Hannah wheld have that made life easier? And they said,

525
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Speaker 1: if Hannah knew that he had come within a five

526
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Speaker 1: kilometer radius, that would have given us all peace. And

527
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Speaker 1: then the naysayers go, but yeah, what if he takes

528
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Speaker 1: it off, Well, if he takes it off, Hannah would

529
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Speaker 1: have got notified. Yes he's on the loose, we don't

530
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Speaker 1: know where he is, but it would give victims. And

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Speaker 1: I'm using Hannah because people know the gravity of that

532
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Speaker 1: particular case. Absolutely, eye for the life of me, don't

533
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Speaker 1: see why there's domestic situation AVO is taken out. Let's

534
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Speaker 1: give a little bit of leeway. Like most people will

535
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Speaker 1: abide by the AVA hopefully if they don't very first time,

536
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Speaker 1: we don't have to send them straight to prison.

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Speaker 4: Ankle brace I've said the same thing about the ankle bracelet, Garry.

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Speaker 4: As soon as you said that, I as almost I

539
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 4: was saying it to my friend who's also a comedian.

540
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Speaker 4: She's had to take an av O out on an

541
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Speaker 4: ex partner, and my first thought almost sounds funny to

542
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Speaker 4: be like they should walk out with walk around with.

543
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Speaker 2: Ankle bracelets on, and because I think other.

544
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Speaker 4: Women should be aware of what these men have done, well,

545
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Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

546
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Speaker 2: There's almost a part of that as well.

547
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Speaker 4: It's like you want to treat women this way, you

548
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 4: should walk around and people should be like that guy is,

549
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 4: you know, maybe could be dangerous or like they should

550
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Speaker 4: be monitored because they've done this dodgy behavior.

551
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Speaker 1: Even not shaming them with the ankle bracelet. It's about

552
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Speaker 1: the protection. And magistrate was on here as well and

553
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Speaker 1: I pose that question with him, So it doesn't even

554
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Speaker 1: have to be an ankle bracelet. Yeah, Like in COVID

555
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: we could track everyone that poor bloke was trying to

556
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Speaker 1: buy the barbecue COVID that was tracked all around Sydney.

557
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Speaker 5: It was a heartbreaking day for any barbecue.

558
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Speaker 1: We tracked him when he had COVID. That was cheesy

559
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Speaker 1: head commit all around.

560
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Speaker 3: That was much aspirational about that behavior.

561
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I think and with technology, let's embrace it,

562
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Speaker 1: like I embrace it and look where it got me

563
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Speaker 1: too much.

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Speaker 3: Let's be clear, he says, he embraces technology. This is

565
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Speaker 3: the time that we're working under. For those of you

566
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Speaker 3: that are looking at the swear it's like an egg.

567
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he embraces a school.

568
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we like that.

569
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Speaker 1: We like, I just thought a little bit of retro.

570
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Speaker 2: We love a bit of retro.

571
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Speaker 1: We love it because sometimes anyway, you know, it's I.

572
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Speaker 4: Agree for me, there's something just so frustrating to see

573
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Speaker 4: these multiple cases where like and I I wish it

574
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Speaker 4: was a case of you know, oh yeah, give him

575
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Speaker 4: another chance, and it's like kind of like sure, but

576
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Speaker 4: at the same time it has there has to be

577
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Speaker 4: like I don't know what what can there? What can change?

578
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: You know what I mean that something has to change

579
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Speaker 4: because it's really bad, you know, and.

580
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Speaker 1: When you look back, it's like murder in slow motion.

581
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Speaker 1: A recent one now that hasn't played out in the

582
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Speaker 1: current this court, but was Audrey Griffin who was murdered

583
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Speaker 1: on the Central Coast, nine one year old walking home and.

584
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Speaker 5: I think about her every time I drive past the hotel.

585
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: It's on the way home, and the person and I've

586
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Speaker 1: been We had Kathleen on the podcast, a mother and

587
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: she's devastated, and I'm working with Kathleen. But the frustrating

588
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: thing there is that he breached Ava's for a domestic situation.

589
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Speaker 1: This was just an angry man walking around and Audrey

590
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Speaker 1: just happened to be in the wrong spot at that time,

591
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Speaker 1: and it could be prevented. But I think ankle bracelets,

592
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Speaker 1: and I'll keep saying that one time and it'll sinking

593
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Speaker 1: in that speech.

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Speaker 3: This conversation speech actually to a question from Holly de Boor.

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Speaker 3: She's asking, why do you think there has been a

596
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Speaker 3: spike in intimate partner homicide? Now, first of all, has

597
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Speaker 3: there been a spike or are we just getting it

598
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Speaker 3: reported more clearly?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Look, statistically, I think they had a not a demonstration,

600
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Speaker 1: but a thing at Martin Place the other other day,

601
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Speaker 1: and forty one women have been killed this year. Because

602
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Speaker 1: they had shoes out for each person that been killed

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Speaker 1: by someone involved in an intimate relationship. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if the figures have gone up. I know homicide figures, yeah,

605
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: annually were fairly stable. But where the domestic side of it?

606
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Speaker 1: But does it really matter too There's too many. There

607
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Speaker 1: is definitely too many, and we need to do something

608
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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 4: I think that's also a thing of don't I hope that,

610
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Speaker 4: you know, the conversation is changing when we're talking to

611
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Speaker 4: like men and young men growing up, you know, about

612
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: consent and about respecting women and all that.

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Speaker 2: I hope that's all changing.

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Speaker 4: I think that's also there's something going on with men

615
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Speaker 4: at a c like almost there's are grown men.

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Speaker 2: It's something we can.

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Speaker 4: Take them to school and go, hey, you shouldn't do that.

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Speaker 4: It's sort of where do we change the dialogue around it?

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Speaker 4: Or I don't know, is there a way to edge?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, very much. I've gone through a bit of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: So I've got twenty one year old sons, and obviously

622
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Speaker 3: I'm biased, but they give me such great hut for

623
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Speaker 3: the future with regards to actual conversations around consent, understanding

624
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: the environment, power dynamics, they seem a hell of a

625
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Speaker 3: lot more advanced in those conversations.

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Speaker 5: Now for listeners out.

627
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Speaker 3: There, obviously you know, we see a lot of beautiful

628
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Speaker 3: young boys and we can see a lot of grumpy

629
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Speaker 3: teenage boys. Now this speaks to what Anna Rubinstein from

630
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Speaker 3: the Rights of Passage Institute and he's set up there

631
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Speaker 3: at Mullumbimby and he runs these extraordinary courses called the

632
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Speaker 3: Making of Men courses. Now, Anna Rubinstein is a very

633
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 3: well credentialed psychologist and amazing man. And I did his

634
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Speaker 3: course with my sons at the age of fourteen, the

635
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Speaker 3: Making of Men course.

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Speaker 5: We went up to mullum Bimby.

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Speaker 3: It was four nights, five days on the hill Arnes's

638
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Speaker 3: property up there, and it's their boys and there's significant

639
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: men in their lives, so it's not everyone's got a dad.

640
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: What that camp did for me and my sons was

641
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: quite extraordinary. Now, just to give you an insight. Now,

642
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 3: obviously what goes on the hill stays on the hill.

643
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Speaker 3: But it's not about abseiling and camping and going, oh,

644
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: you know, chop up the wood sun. It's literally you're

645
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: talking about it's tpe's fire, talking sticks and tears. Love

646
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: that that first question you get asked, the boys are

647
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Speaker 3: sitting around the TV or the men are sitting around

648
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Speaker 3: the fires in the middle, and the facilitator says, men,

649
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Speaker 3: I'd like you to talk to us now about what

650
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 3: your relationship was like with your dad when you were

651
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Speaker 3: the boys age now. The first person to get that

652
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: stick then talks about their relationship with their dad. Well,

653
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Speaker 3: you can imagine there's twenty men in that TP, very

654
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 3: different sorts of relationships, and they start speaking were pretty

655
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Speaker 3: soon unbidden, the tears come, huge amount of emotion.

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Speaker 5: What's really interesting.

657
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Speaker 3: Then the next part of that process, the facility to

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Speaker 3: stay to says, boys, you have all just heard twenty

659
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Speaker 3: different versions of a father son relationship. Let's pretend now

660
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Speaker 3: that if you grow up and you have a son

661
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Speaker 3: and you are here, what would you like your son

662
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Speaker 3: to say about the relationship ship he has with you? Now,

663
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: what that question does is fascinating. A It allows the

664
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Speaker 3: boys to say, this is the stuff that's really important

665
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: to me. That's the obvious stuff, and the dads can

666
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: hear that. But the most important part of that question,

667
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Speaker 3: to my.

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Speaker 5: Ear, is is this.

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Speaker 3: It asks those fourteen year old boys to imagine themselves

670
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Speaker 3: as a dad, and it puts themselves on a timeline

671
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Speaker 3: of fatherhood of what now, I'm not saying becoming a

672
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Speaker 3: father is the only way to become a man's And

673
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Speaker 3: I don't suggest for an instant that men out there

674
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Speaker 3: with out children haven't progressed in any way, but this

675
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: is specific to this. So I offer that that went

676
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Speaker 3: for an incredible amount of time. Then we talk about death, challenges, grieve,

677
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 3: all of these sorts of things, But what it allowed

678
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: most of all, the dads came away learning a hell

679
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: of a lot more about how to let things play out,

680
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: how to not control situations, how to respect their sons

681
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: are different from them, respecting that different energy coming and

682
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Speaker 3: learning to hold that up rather than try and make

683
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Speaker 3: those men as good as they can be through their eyes,

684
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Speaker 3: because it's boys only live through their own eyes. So

685
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Speaker 3: that's a long winded answer to are there different ways?

686
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Speaker 4: I think it's a great, great way to know that

687
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Speaker 4: this is the issue of domestic bands is a male issue,

688
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 4: like it's a male issue in.

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Speaker 3: The fact that I'm sorry, so so no, no, I

690
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Speaker 3: think it's an environment no.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, but as in sorry, it's a it's something

692
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Speaker 4: that I think it needs to be. These men need

693
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: to call out of men. We need to be talking

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Speaker 4: the fact that there is this yes, you know what

695
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Speaker 4: I mean. It's this thing of I love this idea

696
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Speaker 4: that there are places that men can go and they

697
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 4: talk about these things. And it's almost almost the same

698
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 4: as the whole people being accountable for when they hear

699
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 4: about like a child being abused. You know, I want

700
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: men to call out other men if they're just being

701
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 4: inappropriate about women, or because it starts somewhere, where does

702
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: this all start?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: The conversations and as someone who and I won't name him,

705
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: but his life was touched by domestic violence and lost

706
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Speaker 1: someone that he was close to. He was talking about

707
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: he said, Gary, like, think about it. He was a

708
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: football player. Think about it when you go out the

709
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: football team drinking after a game and someone's bad mouthing

710
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: their wife at home. Who was at Art's the wife,

711
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: she wants me to go home. Little things like that,

712
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: or where men say things derogatory that we.

713
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Speaker 2: Should check them with microaggressions.

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Speaker 1: You don't talk about your wife like that. Yeah, that

715
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: type of thing, because there was a culture where that

716
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: was acceptable and funny, and you know it needs to

717
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: we need to sort of jump on it so people

718
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Speaker 1: aren't comfortable.

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Speaker 3: For the listener, i'd say, and Eloise, I would say,

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Speaker 3: I've been involved in a huge number of conversations in

721
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Speaker 3: moments where those little checks have happened.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which I love and I can see, especially from

723
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Speaker 4: YouTube that I can I can tell that you would

724
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Speaker 4: be the kind of men that would do that and

725
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Speaker 4: call out unsavor.

726
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 3: For him because if I disagree with him, he can

727
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 3: just smack. I'm just saying he's got some some assets.

728
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: But you can be a bit scary.

729
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Speaker 1: But I'll delve deeply into that because I've watched watched

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Speaker 1: Rob and my you know, you said, well, I've change

731
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Speaker 1: anything in the Cops, changed something in me personally is

732
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Speaker 1: that I let things faster, so you might offend me.

733
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: I'll let that slide. Then you offend me again, and

734
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Speaker 1: you offend me again, and then I just don't leash. Yeah,

735
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Speaker 1: whereas I've seen Rob, you addressed the very early in

736
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Speaker 1: the piece, and I think that that's a smarter way

737
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: of doing it. I want to be able to do that.

738
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Speaker 1: I'm just not good at it.

739
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Speaker 2: But we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: That literally, this whole idea of letting these little things manifest,

741
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 4: and you start to get a little bit like, yeah, boy,

742
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: I'm going to say something, but it is better almost

743
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 4: to just go why did you say that?

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00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: Like that? I've always greeted with curiosity.

745
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: You know. I've seen rob do that time and time again,

746
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: and you know, even when they set up the stage,

747
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: something's not right, and I'd be prick, what is he

748
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: here on? Yeah, or something like that, whereas Robert just

749
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: call it on. I'd sit there and stew on it

750
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Speaker 1: and then probably overreact by the time.

751
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: Look, I'm Greek Macedonian background.

752
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: I passion in the world doesn't hurt.

753
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: But he'll be like this, I'm passionate now.

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Speaker 3: So I am a believer in trying to say things

755
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: in the moment, but I also recognize it's the hardest

756
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: thing in the world. There's a great example. In fact,

757
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Speaker 3: I'm going to do the first of my plugs. Okay,

758
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 3: well this is a new one, so I didn't tell

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00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: you this. Our podcast is about to get launched, which

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00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: is Brave Words, the podcast, which is true stories told well.

761
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: And what does he tell them?

762
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 4: Well?

763
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: I show.

764
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: That's a different show too. But Gary saw my ultra

765
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: solo show Willing Participate. You saw at least three times I.

766
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: Just bought people long to be popular because I guarantee,

767
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: and everyone on the board long loved it.

768
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 3: This though, this is a story in my wife wrote,

769
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 3: and it's actually the first story that we're leading off

770
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 3: with the Brave Words podcast. The story is called Jabrovnik,

771
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: and she tells a story about her and I going

772
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 3: on a holiday to Eastern Europe and the first holiday,

773
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Speaker 3: first long holiday.

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Speaker 5: Away without the children. And look, it didn't start well,

775
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 5: didn't start well.

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Speaker 3: There was a whole there's a whole lot of things

777
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 3: involving pumpkin soup, me reading a book when I shouldn't

778
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: have been reading a book, Just a whole of little

779
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 3: things going on, and.

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Speaker 5: It was difficult.

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00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 3: It was tough, but Adrian mentioned the things at the

782
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Speaker 3: right time, and then going right back in time to

783
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Speaker 3: a moment in our relationship where things were very difficult.

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Speaker 5: And this is just a couple of years after the boys.

785
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Speaker 5: The boys were two.

786
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Speaker 3: So I think a lot of young families know this

787
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Speaker 3: feeling where the children are too. Something's going on and

788
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: it's just like and you can turn into islands and

789
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: then those little things cannot get said. I will be

790
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: forever grateful to my wife. It wasn't in the middle

791
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: of a fight. We weren't in the middle of a rage.

792
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: She didn't use something to weaponize me. I'd actually just

793
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: cooked dinner and was putting it on the table and

794
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 3: she said to me, and I looked at it and

795
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: she was crying.

796
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 5: I said, what's up? And she says, sometimes I don't

797
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Speaker 5: think I'm kind enough to you.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, baby, that's beautiful, she said, because

799
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Speaker 3: I don't think I like you very much.

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Speaker 5: Now, that was never marry.

801
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 3: Never marry a writer, because you're you're on ten to

802
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 3: hooks until the end of the goddamn.

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Speaker 2: That's almost poetic.

804
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 5: So she just slept, but she was unhappy. Now.

805
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Speaker 3: There was a couple of sentences in that particular thing

806
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 3: that I'll never forget. Later on in the in the things,

807
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 3: I was trying to get a temperature read on where

808
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: my life was at, because I didn't see it coming,

809
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: and I was it was terrifying, terrifying. I said to

810
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: a baby, I got to know, where where do you

811
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Speaker 3: think we're at? And she looked at me and she said, well,

812
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Speaker 3: I don't want us to split up, and I'm like.

813
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: Relief.

814
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: And then she says, but at the moment, I can't

815
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Speaker 3: see how we can stay together. There is I mentioned

816
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 3: all that is because she mentioned it before she'd emotionally

817
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 3: left the relationship. She mentioned her before she'd figured out

818
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: her own plan, because when you're in a couple relationship

819
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 3: with children, that plans not yours to make alone. And

820
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: it's the hardest thing to invite the fucker that you're

821
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: hating right now to help build that plan. And she

822
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: had the strength and the vulnerability to reach out and go,

823
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Speaker 3: I don't like you, but we made these choices.

824
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Speaker 5: I can't figure it out. Maybe we can together.

825
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: And so I try and put all of these things

826
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Speaker 3: into some sort of perspective, because it's one thing to.

827
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Speaker 5: Say, yeah, you should say it.

828
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 3: In the moment, but more often than not, if we've

829
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 3: been somebody's done something nasty to us, we're just seeing

830
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 3: white mate. You can hardly breave. There's no logic there.

831
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 3: So go easy on yourselves if you can't check it

832
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 3: in the moment, but please try and remember the power

833
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: of doing it. Because my wife saved our relationship. And

834
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: my twenty one year old boys right now coming home,

835
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: they just finished university and they're going to come home

836
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: to a happy, beautiful household, and I can't tell you

837
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 3: the power and joy that brings me.

838
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Speaker 2: That's a very good example as well.

839
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Speaker 3: Now, just with regards to the one law I would change,

840
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: everybody has to wear anklets. Everyone has to wear everyone everyone.

841
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: That way, we can just switch toggle them on and off.

842
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 5: As we wanted to make all your plans. He eats easier.

843
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: Fine, you get an electric shock if you've done.

844
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: That's nice.

845
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: I think.

846
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: So you're speeding and your anklet goes off and you go, hey, guys,

847
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 3: it's Gary Jubilan here.

848
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Speaker 3: Okay, here's another question, and this might be relevant to

854
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 3: you as well, Eloise. Do you Gary ever get recognized

855
00:41:58,880 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 3: on the streets?

856
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 4: Oh here fame David Bowie.

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00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 5: Gary.

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00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes I do. And it's a funny. I won't

859
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: call it fame because that sounds a little bit stupid,

860
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: but no variety people know who I am because of

861
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: the world I've mixed in. Getting recognized is not often

862
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: the good thing because these.

863
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Speaker 3: People you're telling me I sleep at his place, in

864
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 3: his place when there was a couple of hits out

865
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Speaker 3: on it.

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Speaker 2: No, and that's so, this is so.

867
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 3: You don't want to be near it anyway.

868
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Speaker 1: So when people come up to me and say, you

869
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: Gary Judlin, that's sort of well, maybe the thing exactly.

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Speaker 1: I've had some ones where these are people that have

871
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: clearly spent some time on the other side of the

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00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: law and all that. I'm not sure what the reaction

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00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: is going to be, but invariably it plays out pretty good.

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00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: But there's one and I can up at myself because

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00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: I think this is funny. I walked down the street,

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00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: people can I get a photo? So with a photo

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Speaker 1: and I think my defense because I have no idea

878
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 1: who I'm in the photo with. If it pops up,

879
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: I get in photos with lots of people don't. But

880
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was invited along to the International Convention Center.

881
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: It was the I think it was a fifty anniversary

882
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: of the Freedom Bus ride, so the First Nations People

883
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: Indigenous community had organized this big function. I knew a

884
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: lot of people there, and a lot of people were

885
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: asking for photos for different reasons. As I'm walking out

886
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: these people, I'm walking out of the International Convention Center,

887
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: and people said a fader could get a fato. I

888
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: stand up and I'm blushing when I'm selling, and they

889
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 1: looked at me and said, no, could you get a

890
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: photo of us?

891
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: That's classic, that's quite cute.

892
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: It was a little bit sure joking American.

893
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, your character.

894
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 3: Eloise Ye, you've been now, I've seen you've done various

895
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: things on TV with stuff.

896
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 5: Do you get.

897
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 4: Recognized recognized more for my comedy, like as in especially

898
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 4: when places like Sydney or Sydney, I feel like people

899
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 4: are a bit more chill, they don't really do.

900
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: It as much.

901
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 4: But in Melbourne I feel like people get a bit

902
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: more excited because I don't live there, so I think

903
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 4: when I'm there they go hi. And I'll get even.

904
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 3: Certainly during the comedy festival, during the comedy, but I.

905
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 4: Even will get messages of like you just walked past

906
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: my shop and like love your work, which is so sweet.

907
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: It's really nice. It's usually a really really nice thing.

908
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,280
Speaker 4: I don't feel like it's you know, happens all the time.

909
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not that famous or anything, but the

910
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: fact that people recognize me, it's it's still like a

911
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 4: funny thing that even you can feel people almost look

912
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: at you, and you you go, are they looking at

913
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: me because they know me?

914
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: Or they don't know me? And so every time I

915
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: try and do the same.

916
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 4: Thing, always kind always you know, hi, like always smiling,

917
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: just always on the on the proceeder with not caution,

918
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 4: but you know, always.

919
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: Just do the right thing and just in case they do.

920
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: Know it does make you behave better, it does, must

921
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: admit like I'm polighter. Yeah, you don't know who, and.

922
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 5: I've stopped throwing up in public.

923
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: Please I feel that way.

924
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 4: It sounds so silly, but it's one of those things

925
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: where obviously I don't think I'm you know, at the

926
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: level of I don't know like Catherine Zeeda Jones or

927
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: something like you know what I mean, But there is

928
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: something about knowing that people might know you or might

929
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 4: know your work.

930
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: Like it does you start to get a little bit.

931
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 4: You can go crazy, but just a little bit, like

932
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: you're quite You have to be aware.

933
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 3: I think, behave so tub get observation always so tubes.

934
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 5: Yes, I've I grew up with it. Yeah, and in

935
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 5: fact I was already you.

936
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 3: Was a federal politician, so I was already we aware

937
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: of a strange prism prior to coming to that, and

938
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: I like to believe I had extraordinarily emotionally intelligent parents

939
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: that allowed me to navigate that with as little weirdness

940
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 3: as possible.

941
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 5: This has come to you late, right.

942
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: You were, let's be clear, and middling tradesmen, yes, right,

943
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: and then you became an okay beat copper and then

944
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 3: you and then you're pretty good in the tactical staff.

945
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: You really hit your jam with the d S and

946
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: that was that was it. But again a lot of

947
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: that is still behind the scenes. Then, of course you

948
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 3: get a couple of national profiles. What was the change

949
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 3: in your life where you started experiencing as just talked

950
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 3: about because you came from what and Eloise, we'll talk

951
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: about this at length later from a normy background.

952
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 2: As well. So yeah, I can talk about that.

953
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: Tell me from a normy yeah, way, I sit well

954
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: with Norman, yeah yeah.

955
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 3: But to somebody with a profile, can you get granular

956
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: with regards to what it does to your head?

957
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 5: Yeah?

958
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm glad it came later, because if it came too

959
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: early without the right safeguards around, I could see and

960
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: that's why I feel sorry. For these young fellas in

961
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: sport or the young women that get this profile very

962
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: early and yeah, how I would behave like a dickhead

963
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: if Yeah, it was internationally eighteen nineteen, but it came

964
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: gradually in the police. In the police it was a

965
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: different thing in that people didn't have to like me

966
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: I as a policeman. That's I'm doing my job. But

967
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,240
Speaker 1: I started to get recognized. Then when the Underbelly TV

968
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: series came out, that sort of lifted the level high

969
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: where people.

970
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 5: They made an entire Underbelly series on here that would

971
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 5: have been.

972
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: And so that was sort of new. But I when

973
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: I say, I had the shits.

974
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: All about like for those of people when Gary Jubilin

975
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 3: now just expressed a sense of emotional trepidation, little Spiky in.

976
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 5: The corner gave us one of these.

977
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: It's so cute discuss connected that during the break, we're

978
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: going to discuss the primacy of my friendship with you.

979
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: Beatful people would pull you down. There's a tall poppy

980
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: syndrome like in the police, Sigua.

981
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 2: My whole show is at as well, and it.

982
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Would frustrate me in that you know, you don't have

983
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: to be treat me that way just because I've done

984
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: something that's got recognized. So there was a bit of that,

985
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: But in hindsight, with reflection, I'm glad because it's just

986
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: been gradual. And then when I left the Cops, it was,

987
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: you know, it was front page everywhere, and yeah, I

988
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: would literally I'd be having dinner at a restaurant, someone

989
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: to pay for the meal, wow, things like that. But

990
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: I've been prepared for it step by step and I

991
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: knew not to embrace it or leaving it.

992
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: So it was It does take you to that darkest

993
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 3: day arriving, you know, walk doing that walk to the

994
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: thing where you had the toughest moment and the most.

995
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: Beautiful coming along. But the fact that people stop to

996
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: say hello, stop to support you, I think I'm lucky

997
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: every day with you. That's what. And you know, you

998
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: talk the dark moment when I was going to court

999
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: and having the TV camera all the way from Central

1000
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: to down in Center local court in your faces, walking

1001
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: walk the whole they talk about the walk of shame.

1002
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: But then when I got there and there's yeah, with

1003
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: the people, even some of the offenders, that that was

1004
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: a good thing. So yeah, it does change a change

1005
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: your view on things, and I find I become a

1006
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: little bit more insoless sometimes when I'm out and about,

1007
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: I think I just want to pull the say.

1008
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,919
Speaker 4: I relate to that a little bit too. I'm quite

1009
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 4: an outgoing you know, like a fun loving thank you,

1010
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 4: But I also completely relate to that as well, because

1011
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: I also think that it's so funny the whole idea

1012
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: of being perceived, which is something I'm trying to, you know,

1013
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 4: delve into in my next show that I'm currently writing.

1014
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: So I got to tell me that.

1015
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 4: But just this whole idea of how you're perceived and

1016
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 4: even just being aware of that, that's a spooky thing.

1017
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: It's quite weird.

1018
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 4: But even me, I can feel that there's people that

1019
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 4: they have an idea of what you are. They have

1020
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 4: no idea who you are, but they do have an idea.

1021
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 4: So there is a part of you that almost wants

1022
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 4: to be like, well, if I just pull back, they can't,

1023
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 4: you know, make an assumption about me or whatever. It's

1024
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 4: quite a especially with the style of comedy that I do, like,

1025
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 4: people think that I'm this thing, and it can be

1026
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 4: quite I almost want.

1027
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: To be like, I'm not really like that, almost, But

1028
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: what I'm going to do.

1029
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 4: You know, I can't change their minds, you know, in

1030
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 4: a two minute conversation.

1031
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: But that's that perception, and that's with the when I'm

1032
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: in the media world now, and I don't think I

1033
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 1: would have stepped in if I knew how vulnerable you

1034
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: were for social media and all that. When I told

1035
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: my kids I'm doing the podcast and they've gone, oh,

1036
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: that can be brutal. If it doesn't get well dead,

1037
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: you'll get get attacked. I didn't know I am at

1038
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: that point. Now, Well, if someone doesn't you know, if

1039
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,720
Speaker 1: you get negative comments, so what you get some good comments,

1040
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: And I don't get too excited about the good comments.

1041
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't get too worried about the bad comments. Some

1042
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: of the bad comments are correct too.

1043
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 4: I think was quite interesting when you say social media

1044
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 4: and the fact your kid's like, you know, if it

1045
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 4: goes bad, do you know? What I find really interesting

1046
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 4: is that we're living in a time where we have

1047
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 4: a bit of a bit of autonomy over like being

1048
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 4: able to say, hey, this is actually what I meant,

1049
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 4: like if someone tries to sort of call you out

1050
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 4: on something. We actually live in an age where you go, well,

1051
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 4: listen to my podcast, I talk about my experience or

1052
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 4: if someone goes this is you know. I mean, look,

1053
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 4: I'm best friends with Abby Chatfield, who has some really

1054
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 4: follow you know.

1055
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: Death threats and all these things. These things, but it's

1056
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: kind of you.

1057
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 4: Know, walking down the street with HER's crazy the way

1058
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 4: that people that's when you know that you're with someone,

1059
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 4: people are staring, you know. But even this whole idea

1060
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 4: of we have this chance to go, hey, this is

1061
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 4: not the truth and this is But at the same time,

1062
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 4: you do have to you know, people are going to

1063
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 4: either like you or're not going to like you, and

1064
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 4: you just have to either I don't know, read the

1065
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 4: comments and get over it, or just have a really

1066
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 4: thick skin or I don't know.

1067
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: It's a tough line.

1068
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm getting better at having the thick skin,

1069
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: and I'm better that I'm at this stage where I'm

1070
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: prepared and more ground and solid. But I do and

1071
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: you guys must get it because you perform. When I

1072
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: do some live talks and that lad in the podcast

1073
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: or whatever I'm doing, sometimes I feel like I just

1074
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: want to escape home. You're out, and if I'm performing

1075
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: or doing a talk on stage, I'm giving it my all,

1076
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: and then I just want to retreat.

1077
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: Sometimes I do the same thing.

1078
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 4: I feel like I used to be, so go out

1079
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 4: and I always have to be almost doing.

1080
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: It's better to do something than not do something. And

1081
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: then I find I am as I'm getting.

1082
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 4: Older, much much more, I don't know likely to go

1083
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 4: home and just almost have to retreat to recharge the battle.

1084
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: There's a nourish that's That's a good way of describing it,

1085
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: because that's how I describe it. Even even doing podcasts

1086
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: like that can be draining. I'm doing one a week,

1087
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: so that's two hours you're talking, and sometimes you walk

1088
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: away you feel.

1089
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 5: Ordinarily hard work there, Gary, And I know the workers of.

1090
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 3: Australia looking at that, look looking at that two hours.

1091
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 5: God, oh mighty, you poor fella.

1092
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: Why don't you sit down and have a cup of

1093
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: tea with that dog spike of yours? While I left

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00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: all of this, all of this, there are swings aroundabouts

1095
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 3: to being the camera is still wrong.

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Speaker 2: The other side of Gary is not so much nice

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Speaker 2: and nice.

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Speaker 3: The other thing on that I was on the White

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00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 3: Lotus earlier. Yeah, right, And so in terms of a

1100
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 3: very amazing in terms of an international splash.

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Speaker 1: This is so proud to say you're my friend.

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Speaker 3: This is why I mentioned it, because you get on

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00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 3: the world's biggest show.

1104
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 4: Now, even as an actor, this is the funniest Sorry

1105
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: to come off. The funniest thing for me is people

1106
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: will play roles and they're acting as a different person

1107
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 4: that is not them.

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Speaker 2: And people are so I hate to say it.

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Speaker 4: Normies, love you normies, but they can be a little

1110
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 4: bit stupid and they can actually believe. That's how good

1111
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 4: actors are. They believe that this person is real. The

1112
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 4: people get from like, you know, the woman in Breaking

1113
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 4: Bad playing well to White's wife.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Well, I know it's banging on message because this is

1116
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 3: the space that the story goes. So and look, as

1117
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 3: far as a role on a TV series goes, it's

1118
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: the smallest role I've had, I think since I left

1119
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 3: high school. Yeah, but it's certainly the biggest response I've

1120
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 3: ever had from being a show. And my phone lit

1121
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: up like a Christmas tree, messages from all over the world, and.

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Speaker 5: For a while ago this is wonderful. It was a

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00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 5: lovely thing to be part of.

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Speaker 3: For me, the exciting part was working with Jason and

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Speaker 3: Parker Posey. So that was amazing actors and it was

1126
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: all terrific, and of course Mike White. So that's all

1127
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 3: going on. And then I get a message a couple

1128
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 3: of weeks later from a friend of mine saying, hey, Robbie,

1129
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Speaker 3: they could have used any other bloody photo. I'm so sorry.

1130
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 3: And it was a screen graph a breaking story by

1131
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: the Daily Mail. Shout out to you hard working men

1132
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 3: and women at Daily Mail, what.

1133
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 5: God's work you're doing.

1134
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Speaker 3: And the article was it was simply about the devastating

1135
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 3: effects of sex tourists in Thailand, right, And I was like,

1136
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: this is a terrible industry, this is a terrible business,

1137
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 3: This is a terrible scourge and Australians are at.

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Speaker 5: The heart of it. And then the picture for the

1139
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 5: article was of me.

1140
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Speaker 1: I saw my beautiful.

1141
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 3: Tie partner from the White Lotus. Now they didn't credit

1142
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 3: the White Lotus, they didn't say this is an actor

1143
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: in the part. It's like Australian sex tourists. Remember this

1144
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: guy's face.

1145
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: Remember this guy's face.

1146
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: So we talked about ups and downs of having a

1147
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 3: public far Now everyone was like, man, you've got to

1148
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: sue them, You've got to sue them.

1149
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 5: Just to finish this little bit up. I'm yet to.

1150
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 3: Meet anyone that looks relaxed that suits someone, so I'm

1151
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 3: not I want to stay related.

1152
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 5: I'm not going to see them. I took a screenshot

1153
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Speaker 5: of it.

1154
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 3: For the Gentle Listener at home, and I put it

1155
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 3: up on Facebook and I said, friends, with every new

1156
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 3: job comes a new opportunity. I'm absolutely thrilled to announce

1157
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 3: my new role as the sex Tourism Ambassador for Thailand.

1158
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 3: And I'm glad to see that The Daily Mail and

1159
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: I stand side by side on this important issue.

1160
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Speaker 1: That is. So it's a good one.

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Speaker 2: That is, Oh my gosh, wow.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, no, you're in charge, so you caught oh.

1163
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Speaker 5: Just a curse.

1164
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 3: Glad Timer would suggest that we're ready for our mid

1165
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: podcast break because for those of you that don't know,

1166
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 3: for those of us that work two hours a week.

1167
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 5: If we don't, if we don't get to break halfway.

1168
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 3: Through, we go to water and we won't be able

1169
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: to I guess, walk and drive on those roads you

1170
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: build and you dig.

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