WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 18 July 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.120 From the Sky News Center. 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:05.200 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.920 Good evening, and welcome to the program. James Borrow here 0:00:09.960 --> 0:00:12.440 is sitting in again for Paul Murray Live tonight, and 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.000 thank you for your company. Now we've got another huge 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:20.000 show tonight, all killer, no filler carline. Marcus will be 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:23.840 here with an exclusive you're not going to believe about 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.440 some of the junk Sun teachers shovel in the classroom. 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:31.600 Also Michael Kroger, Michael Danby, James Ashby, tons of debate, 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.640 lots of swampy Joe and tons of fun along the way. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.280 And you know what, speaking of swampy Joe, I just 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:44.000 checked before we came on air, and for better or worse, 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:49.960 Joe Biden is still the President of the United States. 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:55.840 Whether he remains so tomorrow is anybody's guests. Now, shortly, 0:00:55.880 --> 0:00:58.160 I'm going to be joined by Sky News US political 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.680 analyst and former to the US Joe Hockey from the 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.679 Republican National Convention, and he's going to talk about that 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.280 amazing speech Vice presidential nominee j d Vance gave. And 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.080 by the way, let me give you a little sneak 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.800 preview of that. Here there was a beautiful moment when 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:18.760 Vance introduced his mother, whose troubles you will be familiar 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.600 with if you've read his book or seen the movie. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.680 H'll billy elogy, and he introduced her to the crowd. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:25.320 Have a look at this. 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.520 I'm proud to say that tonight my mom is here, 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:30.360 ten years, clean and sober. 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:45.199 I love you, mom. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.040 Beautiful stuff. And I gotta say that even moved this 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:51.080 jaded soul a little bit. And again we'll talk more 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:53.880 about the policy meet that was in the speech a 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.840 little bit later, but first let's get to Joe Biden, 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:01.080 because my god, what a twenty four hours he has had. 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.680 So here's where we are to bring up speed. Around 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:09.120 mid morning today, Australia Time news came through that President 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.919 Joe Biden had tested positive to COVID after he used 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:17.919 that as an excuse to cancel a speech in Nevada. Now, 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.520 a statement from the White House said that the president 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.840 was experiencing a very mild case of the virus. But 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.480 you tell me if he looks here like a man 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.040 who's just got a case of the sniffles. Here's Biden 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:34.320 arriving in Delaware, having trouble making it down even the 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.520 short steps of Air Force one. Now, why has he 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:41.800 gone to Delaware? Why is he isolating at his beach 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.560 house and not the White House? Well, it could be 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.639 because there are none of those pesky public visitor logs, 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.200 so we can't see what doctors or who else may 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.519 be dropping by the visit. And watch this here. Now, 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.760 this is tricky vision, but if you can see through 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.800 the glass of the limo, it appears that the President 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.120 also needed a fairly serious amount of help getting into 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:12.960 his car. But look, Joe Biden doesn't just have health problems. 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:17.640 He's also got political problems too serious ones. Everyone is 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.480 telling him to go, get out, don't run for the 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:24.520 White House again, But he seems determined for the moment 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:28.840 to stay, which is why everyone who's been telling him 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.480 to go has now been calling their mates in the 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:37.640 press and telling them what they told the president. Senate 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.520 House Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, whereas we'd like to call 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:43.160 him a New York schmuck Schumer is the latest to 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.840 add his name to the list. A report in the 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:50.040 American ABC earlier today told us that quote. According to 0:03:50.320 --> 0:03:55.480 multiple well connected Democrat sources, President Joe Biden's support from 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.240 elected party leaders is crumbling as one person who has 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:04.120 been defending Biden publicly since his debate performance said Wednesday, 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:08.280 Biden is going to see the whole house of cards 0:04:08.320 --> 0:04:12.960 come down soon. A knowledgeable source close to both men 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:17.000 tells the ABC that Schumer had a blunt conversation with 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.039 Biden making the case if it would be best if 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.320 Biden dropped out of the twenty twenty four presidential race. 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:32.440 And then there's this, and this has many people, including myself, 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:38.240 wondering if Biden is in fact looking for an off ramp. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.240 Biden told be Et television that well, if there was 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:48.800 a medical situation, maybe he'd consider going. Could there be 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:53.560 something more to this case of COVID than just the sniffles? 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.440 If I had some medical condition it emerged if somebody, 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.640 if the doctors came to me, said you got this problem, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:04.440 that problem. But I made a serious mistake in the 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:09.520 whole debate. And look, when I originally ran, you may 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:10.960 remember it, I said I was going to be a 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:14.080 transitional candidate, and I thought that I'd be able to 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.559 move from this just pass it on to someone else. 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:22.000 Interesting, and for all the people saying that Biden is 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.799 being obstinate, others are saying well, he may in fact 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:27.640 be maybe considering moving on. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:33.520 Talking to a senior Democratic advisor tonight who is telling 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:35.839 me this, he said he believes the president is being 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:41.080 quote more receptive to these calls of concern. He goes 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.880 on to say this, the private conversations with the Hill 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.200 are continuing. This advisor tells me he's being receptive, not 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:52.960 as defiant as he is publicly, goes on to saying, 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.720 talking about Vice President Kamala Harris, who initially he wondered 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.040 how she may fare in a campaign should it come 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:02.839 to that, told now he's asking questions, saying, do you 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:04.440 think Kamala can win? 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.000 Well, you know the old saying if you have to 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:14.360 ask the question anyway, Now, who knows. There's a lot 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:19.440 of contradictory stories coming out. But does this mean Joe 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.200 Biden might stay on as president until the election and 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:26.480 then hand it over. And perhaps more importantly, there's another question, 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.080 which is, if Joe Biden is not capable of running 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.120 for president again or doing another term, what makes him 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.560 so capable to stay in the most important job in 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:43.400 the world, the one with the nuclear codes and all that. Now, look, 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:46.560 these are questions we all may have to grapple with 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.719 in the days and weeks to come. But look to 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:52.480 get a sense of how bad things are, let me 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.880 leave you with CNN's Van Jones, who I think has 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.280 just written the obituary of the Biden administration. 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.560 A bullet couldn't stop Trump. A virus just stopped Biden. 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:12.760 You've got the nominees of this party getting their butts kissed. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.480 Biden's getting his butt kicked by his own party. The 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.480 Democrats are coming apart, the Republicans are coming together. 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.240 Pining me now is Sky News US politics analyst and 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.680 former Australian Ambassador to the US, Joe Hockey. Joe, thanks 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.560 so much for coming on tonight from the Republican National Convention. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.560 Before I ask you about JD Vance's incredible speech which 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.840 he just delivered, I want to ask about the Democrats 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:41.920 who have stolen a bit of the spotlight from the 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.520 Republicans with reports that Chuck Schumer and others have conveyed 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.440 views that Joe Biden needs to step aside and let 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:54.280 somebody else run the race in November. What are you 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.800 hearing and have you spoken to any Democrats about what 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.520 the mood is on that side of the aisle as 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.040 far as o'biden continuing in the offices. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.200 Well, as I've been saying for a few days, senior 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.480 Democrats have said to me that there is a high 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:13.240 level of despair amongst Democrats about where the party is 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:19.120 at and the refusal of Joe Biden to stand aside 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:23.720 and give Kamala Harris the nomination. It is getting to 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.400 an extreme point. The tide is going out on the 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:32.880 Democrats rapidly. Internal polling by the Democrats, which they are 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.880 now leaking everywhere, is indicating that a whole lot of states, 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.880 including Virginia and New Hampshire, are coming into play for 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.360 the Republicans, when just a few weeks ago though there 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:47.360 was no chance of Republicans were there. And it's all 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.600 coming back to the fact that eighty percent of Democrat 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.520 voters think Joe Biden shouldn't run again, and the overwhelming 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:59.000 majority of Americans feel incredibly saddened about Joe Biden's degenda, 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:04.080 cognitive health issues, but at the same time recognized that 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:05.960 he's just not going to be around for four years 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.960 and they want a reasonable alternative to Donald Trump. 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.240 Yeah, no, look, I think that's fair enough. But let's 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:15.600 go now to the convention. JD. Evans earlier wrapped up 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.640 a speech which I think represents a huge realignment generational 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.200 and politically of the Republican Party. He talked about NAFTA, 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.200 free trade, globalism. Let's have a little listen to a 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:27.560 bit of that. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:31.199 We're done ladies and gentlemen catering to Wall Street. We'll 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:35.280 commit to the working man. We're done sacrificing supply chains 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:38.360 to unlimited global trade, and we're going to stamp more 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.200 and more products with that beautiful label made in the USA. 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.720 As people remark to me around here, the fact is, 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.640 who would have thought that someone who grew up as 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.320 a hillbilly would end up on the stage as a 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.480 potential vice president of the United States. It really is 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.160 a rags to Richard's story, and it's a great story 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.960 and it's going to appeal. But having said that, James, 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:04.880 I want to be clear, Donald Trump doesn't feel the 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:09.360 need to have someone tokenistic as vice president. He wasn't 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:14.160 focused on color or gender or whether they're from as 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.640 he might have been in twenty sixteen with Mike Pence. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:21.640 He believes he's got the nomination and he's he totally 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.800 understands how to win this election. He brought on JD. 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:28.120 Evans because he's a believer in Trump two point zero. 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.680 Well, this is a really interesting thing, Joe, is that 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:34.480 we've now seen him not go for some moderate to 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.040 try and balance a ticket. This seems to me to 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:40.280 be a real realignment of what the Republicans stand for. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.160 You know, forty years ago it might have been the 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:43.959 party of free trade. They might have backed in and 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:49.040 after which JD. Evans criticized piercely as being part of 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:53.559 the reason why his community in Ohio lost so many jobs, 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.200 you know, free trade, all of these things. The fact 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.560 that JD. Vance is thirty nine, and he pointed out 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.880 the fact that he has been alive for less time 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.560 than Joe Biden has been in politics, which I thought 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:09.960 was a powerful kind of passing. The torch moment represents 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:13.640 a real shift of the Republicans away from the Party 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.240 of Wall Street, the party of capital, to being the 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.960 party of the workingman, which the Democrats seem to have abandoned. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.440 Well, one of the old Salts here at the convention 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:31.960 said to me that the last time a union figure 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.400 is significant as the head of the Teamsters addressed to 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:40.720 Republican Convention was for Nixon way back more than fifty 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.880 years ago, and when he spoke he seemed to have 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:47.120 some recollection of that. The fact is that people are 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:51.760 still talking about having the head of the Teamsters speak 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:56.400 at the Republican National Convention yesterday, as we were joking, 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.720 maybe John Secker had turned around an address a little 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.880 body convention in Australia. I mean, it's so ridiculous, right, so, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:07.600 but it does illustrate that the Republican Party under Donald 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.400 Trump is reaching for a whole new constituency, and that 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:16.079 constituency has been abandoned by the Democrats. They're the blue 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.679 collar workers that they don't want to hear about you know, 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:27.079 people's pronouns and about you know, gender transfers and all 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.000 these things. They just want to live their lives and 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.040 have the opportunity to keep a job and all their 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.960 dreams can be delivered in a prosperous and safe and 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.679 secure nation. That's what they want. And they feel that 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:44.199 they are abandoned by the Democrats. And along comes Donald 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.079 Trump and he reaches out to them, and not only 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.320 is he fighting for them, he also is bringing along 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.880 a team that is speaking for them. And you know 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:56.480 that's a powerful message at the moment, targeted directly, you know, 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:02.120 states like Wisconsin, Philadelphia, and Mission and really those three 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.760 states are the key ones at the moment, and it's 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.520 pretty clear that the chid Evans is going to have 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.080 a very significant role campaigning in those states. 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.080 And Joe I thought also there was a really interesting 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.320 bit of the speech where we talked about immigration and 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.680 about how America welcomes people to the American family, but 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:23.439 that they do it on their terms. Let's have a 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:24.160 little listen to that. 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:28.360 America is not just an idea. It is a group 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:32.160 of people with a shared history and a common future. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.559 It is, in short, a nation. Now it is part 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.360 of that tradition of course that we welcome newcomers, but 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.080 when we allow newcomers into our American family, we allow 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:44.360 them on our terms. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.040 Well, it sounds very similar to the bipartisan policy position 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:51.840 in Australia, where we want to control our borders, we 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.920 want to stop I legal immigrants, and we want to 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:58.160 have immigration, but we want to have sensible levels of 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:03.199 immigration and good immigration. That's the point. You know, the 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:08.319 policies of the Republican Party are not much different to Australia, 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.480 and certainly they've been very contentious immigration policies and so 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.960 on in the UK in their recent elections. If we 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.240 know anything is when people feel as though you don't 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:23.320 control the borders, then they don't believe the government is 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:27.520 giving them the security they need. And last year, sorry, 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.640 in the last four years, eleven and a half million 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:34.800 illegal immigrants have crossed from Mexico into the United States, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.680 eleven and a half million. Last year alone, over three 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:43.840 hundred thousand unaccompanied children were sent across that border. So 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:48.080 there is a crisis. Australians wouldn't cop it. Whether they're 0:14:48.120 --> 0:14:50.680 liberal or labor or national or anything, they wouldn't cop it. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.760 We don't even cop one boat or two boats, let 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.680 alone having eleven and a half million people come illegally. 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:02.360 Yeah, just unbelievable, unbelievable numbers. Joe Hockey, US politics analyst 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.000 and of course former Australian Ambassador of the US, thank 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:06.960 you so much for joining us on Pulbury Live. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:11.920 Thanks very much, Jimes, thank you. 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:17.080 Absolutely fascinating scenes coming out of Milwaukee. Right now, now, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:20.160 let's bring in our panel where we now have former 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.920 Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger as well as here 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:27.120 at the desk, Sky News senior reporter Caron Marcus, Thank 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.360 you guys both for joining me tonight. Now I want 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:31.680 to stick on this Biden thing for just a little 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.040 bit here. And we did have that hint from Joe 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:39.120 Biden that he could use his health as an excuse 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.360 to withdraw from the White House. Just we'll play a 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:43.560 little bit of that grab just just aget here. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.640 If I had some medical condition that emerged, if somebody, 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.320 if the doctors came to me and said you got 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:50.200 this problem, that. 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:54.240 Problem now, Michael, I mean, you know, just even you 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.440 almost needed subtitles to listen to what he was saying there. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:02.000 But this is a huge call. Is the first indication 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.680 that that real stubborn I'm going to stay in no 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.960 matter one who comes, you know, saying it's time to go, 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:10.680 I might actually go. What do you think of this? 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.840 What do you make of the politics of this, Michael. 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:15.800 Well made As you know, I've been saying for weeks, 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.600 Biden's not running. He's going to withdraw. Between now the 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.360 nineteenth of August, which is the start of the Democratic Invention, 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.360 Biden will announce he's withdrawing. He's not going to withdraw 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.480 because of COVID. Obviously, if he's got something more serious, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.160 that's a different story. But this guy is not running. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.600 There is zero chance that Joe Biden will be the 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:36.200 Democratic candidate at this election. And someone should tell all 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.840 those people and then all those American commentators who say, oh, 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.120 he might be. This is happening in Schumer saying this, No, 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.440 it's over. It was over weeks ago. This guy's not running. 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.880 He will stand down, and there's a ninety percent chance. 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:50.360 I think that Kamala Harris will be the cadate. She'll 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:51.880 do a lot better than people think. By the way, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.000 but if an election's hell tomorrow, Trump wins three twenty 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:57.880 four to two one four. He wins by more but 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.320 one hundred college votes. I don't include North Carolina because 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:03.800 that's a Trump won one of that. But Trump wins 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:12.400 the seven swing states. He wins Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania, 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.080 and Virginia. He wins all those seven. He wins by 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.359 more than a hundred college rights. The Democratic Party know 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.360 that this is it was over weeks ago. Someone's got 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.080 to tell Joe and Jill because they're about the only 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.640 two that I don't know it's over, but he's not running. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.639 Well, Carolina. This is fascinating to me though, this whole 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.320 idea that in an American democracy where Americans elect the 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.320 presidents and it's not a parliamentary system where the party 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.800 room can go and rule the leader. Is there something 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.800 a little bit undemocratic about this idea that behind the 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.160 scenes there's pushing out somebody who's the sitting president. 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.840 And apparently Donald Trump is the real threat to democracy, right. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:52.919 I mean, if it was Australia, he would have been 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:55.280 out the door within like twenty four hours. I have 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:59.040 no problem our parties have no problems with rolling leaders. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:05.480 But look, I think I wouldn't say it's undemocrat undemocratic. 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.200 I think there has been a lot of pressure obviously 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.239 behind the scenes, as well as people saying on the 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.040 record now increasingly that they think that he should reconsider 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.320 his re election bid. People have been quite forthright about that, 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.160 and that's part of I guess, a country which values 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:25.480 free speech and where people have a right to express 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.520 their opinion, even if it's the leader of their own party. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:33.600 What I will say is that I think what Biden's 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.520 language has been lately in interviews has been extremely telling. 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.840 Think about what he said during the first interview after 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.720 that disastrous debate where he said only the Lord Almighty 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:48.080 could get him to stand down. 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.680 Now it's a mere doctor. Now. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.399 I know a lot of doctors think they're God. But 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:54.919 that is a step down, isn't it. 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.280 That is a little bit there. But Michael, let's talk 0:18:57.320 --> 0:18:59.480 a little bit about sort of what comes next here, 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.560 because there has been reports that the Democrats are going 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.399 to push back the time when people go where the 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.679 delegates go to cast their official votes, to push it 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:11.919 back to the convention. So it seems to me that 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:14.840 there's a couple of factions involved here. There's some people 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.840 who want to just anoint Kamala Harris, and I agree 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:20.160 with you that if she did stand, she would do 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:24.280 better than people think, particularly in the suburbs with suburban women. 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.480 But there's also a group that wants to throw it open, 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.480 I think, at the convention and have the messiness of 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.800 an open convention. Who's going to win here, the back 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.520 room boys or the delegates on the floor. 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:38.760 You know, the backroom boys are going to win and go. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.920 Of course, they can't have a they can't they can't 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.320 have an election on the floor. Look for a whole 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.879 host of reasons. It has to be Harris. She's the 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.680 ranking VP, she's a black woman. But the most important 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.240 reason why you know, stick with me here, James, The 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.880 most important reason while she'll why she would get while 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:59.840 she'll get the nomination, is this, the Democratic Party leadership 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:04.240 is so incredibly weak. It's so no one's actually running 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.600 this show. We've got Congressman here, We've got Track Suma there, 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:11.040 We've got George Clooney, an actor there. I mean, no 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.560 one's running it. So to them for them to coalesce 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:18.719 around anyone but the vice president would take them six months. 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:22.560 So she's the ranking figure, she's got two hundred million 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.960 dollars in the bank. They've got nothing, and she'll run. 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:31.840 And the establishment wouldn't have enough power, time, energy, prestige, 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:36.000 you know, moral authority to coalesce behind anyone else. That's 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.960 why it'll be Harris. The only, the only, the only alternative. 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:43.120 That is, if Michelle Obama says she's running, Harris would 0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:45.639 probably step down for Michelle Obama. But I see no 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.000 evidence at all that Michelle Obama wants to run. You 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:51.760 would have seen some leaks, some indication, but there's absolutely nothing. 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.439 So I presume she's not running so they can't have 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:58.040 a contested election. Biden is going to announce that he's 0:20:58.080 --> 0:21:01.920 standing down. He will do that before the convention, which 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:04.320 then means that they can have her as a coronation 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.359 as the only candidate. I think that I'll try and 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:09.400 do what the Republicans have done with Trump. It's a coronation. 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:11.639 They won't want a buddy mess on the floor of 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:15.240 the convention where Gretchen Whitmar and Kavin Newsom and her 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.320 and whoever else. That would be a catastrophe for the 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.280 Democratic Party. So that'll annoyed her. She'll anounced she's running 0:21:21.800 --> 0:21:24.159 a few days after that, everyone else announced they're not running, 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.200 and she'll get the nomination out of pose. That's what's 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:27.000 going to happen. 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:29.600 Now, Caroline. I want to get to your exclusive in 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.560 a moment about prohamas propaganda being shown in a Sydney school, 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:35.720 But before we get to that, I just want to 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.119 ask you. You know, we showed a little bit of 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:41.359 jd Vance there. I thought he was incredibly impressive, and 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:45.000 I thought that it was incredibly because two things. Number one, 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.440 he's thirty nine so he's really young. So this generational 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.320 change number two. He was talking about the nation and 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.520 the family of a nation in a way that I 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:59.320 don't think I've heard a politician speak in a long time, 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:04.000 And even in Australia, where immigration is a big issue, 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.240 I don't think we talk at all about national family 0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.640 and the way that we work together in that sort 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:11.800 of way. What did you make of that? 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:16.040 I think he's such a strong pick, and I've really 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.160 enjoyed hearing a lot more from him and about him 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.240 in the last few days because there were so many 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:24.960 other names mentioned as possibilities and so many other ways 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.479 he could go which and a lot of people who 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:31.679 really had a lot going for them. But perhaps you know, 0:22:32.280 --> 0:22:32.880 to pick. 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:35.280 A fellow white male. 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:39.760 I think it's kind of like a strong It's strange, 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.959 but these days to have two males running on the 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:46.399 ticket is almost like wild because you almost have to 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:48.080 pick just a diversity pick. 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:49.240 But when you think about. 0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:53.400 It, jd Vance does represent a lot of the forgotten. 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.320 Correct people of America who are Trump's. 0:22:55.960 --> 0:22:58.119 Base, and who are people that feel that they've been 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:03.159 really let down by Biden's immigration policies and economic policies 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:05.960 and that's who he really is speaking to. So I 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.400 think it was a really clever, a clever, confident pick. 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:11.120 And I think it's interesting because I think what we've 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:13.440 seen now is the Republicans picking up all the people 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:15.600 that Democrats have lost now that they've gone and become 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.480 the Party of Wall Street and pronouns and all of that. No, Caroline, 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:20.720 I want to stick with you for a second. Tell 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:25.760 me about this really bizarre and disturbing story that you've 0:23:25.840 --> 0:23:29.200