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Speaker 3: Good evening, and welcome to the program. James Borrow here
Speaker 3: is sitting in again for Paul Murray Live tonight, and
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Speaker 3: here with an exclusive you're not going to believe about
Speaker 3: some of the junk Sun teachers shovel in the classroom.
Speaker 3: Also Michael Kroger, Michael Danby, James Ashby, tons of debate,
Speaker 3: lots of swampy Joe and tons of fun along the way.
Speaker 3: And you know what, speaking of swampy Joe, I just
Speaker 3: checked before we came on air, and for better or worse,
Speaker 3: Joe Biden is still the President of the United States.
Speaker 3: Whether he remains so tomorrow is anybody's guests. Now, shortly,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be joined by Sky News US political
Speaker 3: analyst and former to the US Joe Hockey from the
Speaker 3: Republican National Convention, and he's going to talk about that
Speaker 3: amazing speech Vice presidential nominee j d Vance gave. And
Speaker 3: by the way, let me give you a little sneak
Speaker 3: preview of that. Here there was a beautiful moment when
Speaker 3: Vance introduced his mother, whose troubles you will be familiar
Speaker 3: with if you've read his book or seen the movie.
Speaker 3: H'll billy elogy, and he introduced her to the crowd.
Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
Speaker 4: I'm proud to say that tonight my mom is here,
Speaker 4: ten years, clean and sober.
Speaker 5: I love you, mom.
Speaker 3: Beautiful stuff. And I gotta say that even moved this
Speaker 3: jaded soul a little bit. And again we'll talk more
Speaker 3: about the policy meet that was in the speech a
Speaker 3: little bit later, but first let's get to Joe Biden,
Speaker 3: because my god, what a twenty four hours he has had.
Speaker 3: So here's where we are to bring up speed. Around
Speaker 3: mid morning today, Australia Time news came through that President
Speaker 3: Joe Biden had tested positive to COVID after he used
Speaker 3: that as an excuse to cancel a speech in Nevada. Now,
Speaker 3: a statement from the White House said that the president
Speaker 3: was experiencing a very mild case of the virus. But
Speaker 3: you tell me if he looks here like a man
Speaker 3: who's just got a case of the sniffles. Here's Biden
Speaker 3: arriving in Delaware, having trouble making it down even the
Speaker 3: short steps of Air Force one. Now, why has he
Speaker 3: gone to Delaware? Why is he isolating at his beach
Speaker 3: house and not the White House? Well, it could be
Speaker 3: because there are none of those pesky public visitor logs,
Speaker 3: so we can't see what doctors or who else may
Speaker 3: be dropping by the visit. And watch this here. Now,
Speaker 3: this is tricky vision, but if you can see through
Speaker 3: the glass of the limo, it appears that the President
Speaker 3: also needed a fairly serious amount of help getting into
Speaker 3: his car. But look, Joe Biden doesn't just have health problems.
Speaker 3: He's also got political problems too serious ones. Everyone is
Speaker 3: telling him to go, get out, don't run for the
Speaker 3: White House again, But he seems determined for the moment
Speaker 3: to stay, which is why everyone who's been telling him
Speaker 3: to go has now been calling their mates in the
Speaker 3: press and telling them what they told the president. Senate
Speaker 3: House Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, whereas we'd like to call
Speaker 3: him a New York schmuck Schumer is the latest to
Speaker 3: add his name to the list. A report in the
Speaker 3: American ABC earlier today told us that quote. According to
Speaker 3: multiple well connected Democrat sources, President Joe Biden's support from
Speaker 3: elected party leaders is crumbling as one person who has
Speaker 3: been defending Biden publicly since his debate performance said Wednesday,
Speaker 3: Biden is going to see the whole house of cards
Speaker 3: come down soon. A knowledgeable source close to both men
Speaker 3: tells the ABC that Schumer had a blunt conversation with
Speaker 3: Biden making the case if it would be best if
Speaker 3: Biden dropped out of the twenty twenty four presidential race.
Speaker 3: And then there's this, and this has many people, including myself,
Speaker 3: wondering if Biden is in fact looking for an off ramp.
Speaker 3: Biden told be Et television that well, if there was
Speaker 3: a medical situation, maybe he'd consider going. Could there be
Speaker 3: something more to this case of COVID than just the sniffles?
Speaker 6: If I had some medical condition it emerged if somebody,
Speaker 6: if the doctors came to me, said you got this problem,
Speaker 6: that problem. But I made a serious mistake in the
Speaker 6: whole debate. And look, when I originally ran, you may
Speaker 6: remember it, I said I was going to be a
Speaker 6: transitional candidate, and I thought that I'd be able to
Speaker 6: move from this just pass it on to someone else.
Speaker 3: Interesting, and for all the people saying that Biden is
Speaker 3: being obstinate, others are saying well, he may in fact
Speaker 3: be maybe considering moving on.
Speaker 7: Talking to a senior Democratic advisor tonight who is telling
Speaker 7: me this, he said he believes the president is being
Speaker 7: quote more receptive to these calls of concern. He goes
Speaker 7: on to say this, the private conversations with the Hill
Speaker 7: are continuing. This advisor tells me he's being receptive, not
Speaker 7: as defiant as he is publicly, goes on to saying,
Speaker 7: talking about Vice President Kamala Harris, who initially he wondered
Speaker 7: how she may fare in a campaign should it come
Speaker 7: to that, told now he's asking questions, saying, do you
Speaker 7: think Kamala can win?
Speaker 3: Well, you know the old saying if you have to
Speaker 3: ask the question anyway, Now, who knows. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of contradictory stories coming out. But does this mean Joe
Speaker 3: Biden might stay on as president until the election and
Speaker 3: then hand it over. And perhaps more importantly, there's another question,
Speaker 3: which is, if Joe Biden is not capable of running
Speaker 3: for president again or doing another term, what makes him
Speaker 3: so capable to stay in the most important job in
Speaker 3: the world, the one with the nuclear codes and all that. Now, look,
Speaker 3: these are questions we all may have to grapple with
Speaker 3: in the days and weeks to come. But look to
Speaker 3: get a sense of how bad things are, let me
Speaker 3: leave you with CNN's Van Jones, who I think has
Speaker 3: just written the obituary of the Biden administration.
Speaker 8: A bullet couldn't stop Trump. A virus just stopped Biden.
Speaker 8: You've got the nominees of this party getting their butts kissed.
Speaker 8: Biden's getting his butt kicked by his own party. The
Speaker 8: Democrats are coming apart, the Republicans are coming together.
Speaker 3: Pining me now is Sky News US politics analyst and
Speaker 3: former Australian Ambassador to the US, Joe Hockey. Joe, thanks
Speaker 3: so much for coming on tonight from the Republican National Convention.
Speaker 3: Before I ask you about JD Vance's incredible speech which
Speaker 3: he just delivered, I want to ask about the Democrats
Speaker 3: who have stolen a bit of the spotlight from the
Speaker 3: Republicans with reports that Chuck Schumer and others have conveyed
Speaker 3: views that Joe Biden needs to step aside and let
Speaker 3: somebody else run the race in November. What are you
Speaker 3: hearing and have you spoken to any Democrats about what
Speaker 3: the mood is on that side of the aisle as
Speaker 3: far as o'biden continuing in the offices.
Speaker 9: Well, as I've been saying for a few days, senior
Speaker 9: Democrats have said to me that there is a high
Speaker 9: level of despair amongst Democrats about where the party is
Speaker 9: at and the refusal of Joe Biden to stand aside
Speaker 9: and give Kamala Harris the nomination. It is getting to
Speaker 9: an extreme point. The tide is going out on the
Speaker 9: Democrats rapidly. Internal polling by the Democrats, which they are
Speaker 9: now leaking everywhere, is indicating that a whole lot of states,
Speaker 9: including Virginia and New Hampshire, are coming into play for
Speaker 9: the Republicans, when just a few weeks ago though there
Speaker 9: was no chance of Republicans were there. And it's all
Speaker 9: coming back to the fact that eighty percent of Democrat
Speaker 9: voters think Joe Biden shouldn't run again, and the overwhelming
Speaker 9: majority of Americans feel incredibly saddened about Joe Biden's degenda,
Speaker 9: cognitive health issues, but at the same time recognized that
Speaker 9: he's just not going to be around for four years
Speaker 9: and they want a reasonable alternative to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, look, I think that's fair enough. But let's
Speaker 3: go now to the convention. JD. Evans earlier wrapped up
Speaker 3: a speech which I think represents a huge realignment generational
Speaker 3: and politically of the Republican Party. He talked about NAFTA,
Speaker 3: free trade, globalism. Let's have a little listen to a
Speaker 3: bit of that.
Speaker 4: We're done ladies and gentlemen catering to Wall Street. We'll
Speaker 4: commit to the working man. We're done sacrificing supply chains
Speaker 4: to unlimited global trade, and we're going to stamp more
Speaker 4: and more products with that beautiful label made in the USA.
Speaker 9: As people remark to me around here, the fact is,
Speaker 9: who would have thought that someone who grew up as
Speaker 9: a hillbilly would end up on the stage as a
Speaker 9: potential vice president of the United States. It really is
Speaker 9: a rags to Richard's story, and it's a great story
Speaker 9: and it's going to appeal. But having said that, James,
Speaker 9: I want to be clear, Donald Trump doesn't feel the
Speaker 9: need to have someone tokenistic as vice president. He wasn't
Speaker 9: focused on color or gender or whether they're from as
Speaker 9: he might have been in twenty sixteen with Mike Pence.
Speaker 9: He believes he's got the nomination and he's he totally
Speaker 9: understands how to win this election. He brought on JD.
Speaker 9: Evans because he's a believer in Trump two point zero.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a really interesting thing, Joe, is that
Speaker 3: we've now seen him not go for some moderate to
Speaker 3: try and balance a ticket. This seems to me to
Speaker 3: be a real realignment of what the Republicans stand for.
Speaker 3: You know, forty years ago it might have been the
Speaker 3: party of free trade. They might have backed in and
Speaker 3: after which JD. Evans criticized piercely as being part of
Speaker 3: the reason why his community in Ohio lost so many jobs,
Speaker 3: you know, free trade, all of these things. The fact
Speaker 3: that JD. Vance is thirty nine, and he pointed out
Speaker 3: the fact that he has been alive for less time
Speaker 3: than Joe Biden has been in politics, which I thought
Speaker 3: was a powerful kind of passing. The torch moment represents
Speaker 3: a real shift of the Republicans away from the Party
Speaker 3: of Wall Street, the party of capital, to being the
Speaker 3: party of the workingman, which the Democrats seem to have abandoned.
Speaker 9: Well, one of the old Salts here at the convention
Speaker 9: said to me that the last time a union figure
Speaker 9: is significant as the head of the Teamsters addressed to
Speaker 9: Republican Convention was for Nixon way back more than fifty
Speaker 9: years ago, and when he spoke he seemed to have
Speaker 9: some recollection of that. The fact is that people are
Speaker 9: still talking about having the head of the Teamsters speak
Speaker 9: at the Republican National Convention yesterday, as we were joking,
Speaker 9: maybe John Secker had turned around an address a little
Speaker 9: body convention in Australia. I mean, it's so ridiculous, right, so,
Speaker 9: but it does illustrate that the Republican Party under Donald
Speaker 9: Trump is reaching for a whole new constituency, and that
Speaker 9: constituency has been abandoned by the Democrats. They're the blue
Speaker 9: collar workers that they don't want to hear about you know,
Speaker 9: people's pronouns and about you know, gender transfers and all
Speaker 9: these things. They just want to live their lives and
Speaker 9: have the opportunity to keep a job and all their
Speaker 9: dreams can be delivered in a prosperous and safe and
Speaker 9: secure nation. That's what they want. And they feel that
Speaker 9: they are abandoned by the Democrats. And along comes Donald
Speaker 9: Trump and he reaches out to them, and not only
Speaker 9: is he fighting for them, he also is bringing along
Speaker 9: a team that is speaking for them. And you know
Speaker 9: that's a powerful message at the moment, targeted directly, you know,
Speaker 9: states like Wisconsin, Philadelphia, and Mission and really those three
Speaker 9: states are the key ones at the moment, and it's
Speaker 9: pretty clear that the chid Evans is going to have
Speaker 9: a very significant role campaigning in those states.
Speaker 3: And Joe I thought also there was a really interesting
Speaker 3: bit of the speech where we talked about immigration and
Speaker 3: about how America welcomes people to the American family, but
Speaker 3: that they do it on their terms. Let's have a
Speaker 3: little listen to that.
Speaker 4: America is not just an idea. It is a group
Speaker 4: of people with a shared history and a common future.
Speaker 4: It is, in short, a nation. Now it is part
Speaker 4: of that tradition of course that we welcome newcomers, but
Speaker 4: when we allow newcomers into our American family, we allow
Speaker 4: them on our terms.
Speaker 9: Well, it sounds very similar to the bipartisan policy position
Speaker 9: in Australia, where we want to control our borders, we
Speaker 9: want to stop I legal immigrants, and we want to
Speaker 9: have immigration, but we want to have sensible levels of
Speaker 9: immigration and good immigration. That's the point. You know, the
Speaker 9: policies of the Republican Party are not much different to Australia,
Speaker 9: and certainly they've been very contentious immigration policies and so
Speaker 9: on in the UK in their recent elections. If we
Speaker 9: know anything is when people feel as though you don't
Speaker 9: control the borders, then they don't believe the government is
Speaker 9: giving them the security they need. And last year, sorry,
Speaker 9: in the last four years, eleven and a half million
Speaker 9: illegal immigrants have crossed from Mexico into the United States,
Speaker 9: eleven and a half million. Last year alone, over three
Speaker 9: hundred thousand unaccompanied children were sent across that border. So
Speaker 9: there is a crisis. Australians wouldn't cop it. Whether they're
Speaker 9: liberal or labor or national or anything, they wouldn't cop it.
Speaker 9: We don't even cop one boat or two boats, let
Speaker 9: alone having eleven and a half million people come illegally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just unbelievable, unbelievable numbers. Joe Hockey, US politics analyst
Speaker 3: and of course former Australian Ambassador of the US, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for joining us on Pulbury Live.
Speaker 9: Thanks very much, Jimes, thank you.
Speaker 3: Absolutely fascinating scenes coming out of Milwaukee. Right now, now,
Speaker 3: let's bring in our panel where we now have former
Speaker 3: Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger as well as here
Speaker 3: at the desk, Sky News senior reporter Caron Marcus, Thank
Speaker 3: you guys both for joining me tonight. Now I want
Speaker 3: to stick on this Biden thing for just a little
Speaker 3: bit here. And we did have that hint from Joe
Speaker 3: Biden that he could use his health as an excuse
Speaker 3: to withdraw from the White House. Just we'll play a
Speaker 3: little bit of that grab just just aget here.
Speaker 6: If I had some medical condition that emerged, if somebody,
Speaker 6: if the doctors came to me and said you got
Speaker 6: this problem, that.
Speaker 3: Problem now, Michael, I mean, you know, just even you
Speaker 3: almost needed subtitles to listen to what he was saying there.
Speaker 3: But this is a huge call. Is the first indication
Speaker 3: that that real stubborn I'm going to stay in no
Speaker 3: matter one who comes, you know, saying it's time to go,
Speaker 3: I might actually go. What do you think of this?
Speaker 3: What do you make of the politics of this, Michael.
Speaker 2: Well made As you know, I've been saying for weeks,
Speaker 2: Biden's not running. He's going to withdraw. Between now the
Speaker 2: nineteenth of August, which is the start of the Democratic Invention,
Speaker 2: Biden will announce he's withdrawing. He's not going to withdraw
Speaker 2: because of COVID. Obviously, if he's got something more serious,
Speaker 2: that's a different story. But this guy is not running.
Speaker 2: There is zero chance that Joe Biden will be the
Speaker 2: Democratic candidate at this election. And someone should tell all
Speaker 2: those people and then all those American commentators who say, oh,
Speaker 2: he might be. This is happening in Schumer saying this, No,
Speaker 2: it's over. It was over weeks ago. This guy's not running.
Speaker 2: He will stand down, and there's a ninety percent chance.
Speaker 2: I think that Kamala Harris will be the cadate. She'll
Speaker 2: do a lot better than people think. By the way,
Speaker 2: but if an election's hell tomorrow, Trump wins three twenty
Speaker 2: four to two one four. He wins by more but
Speaker 2: one hundred college votes. I don't include North Carolina because
Speaker 2: that's a Trump won one of that. But Trump wins
Speaker 2: the seven swing states. He wins Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: and Virginia. He wins all those seven. He wins by
Speaker 2: more than a hundred college rights. The Democratic Party know
Speaker 2: that this is it was over weeks ago. Someone's got
Speaker 2: to tell Joe and Jill because they're about the only
Speaker 2: two that I don't know it's over, but he's not running.
Speaker 3: Well, Carolina. This is fascinating to me though, this whole
Speaker 3: idea that in an American democracy where Americans elect the
Speaker 3: presidents and it's not a parliamentary system where the party
Speaker 3: room can go and rule the leader. Is there something
Speaker 3: a little bit undemocratic about this idea that behind the
Speaker 3: scenes there's pushing out somebody who's the sitting president.
Speaker 10: And apparently Donald Trump is the real threat to democracy, right.
Speaker 10: I mean, if it was Australia, he would have been
Speaker 10: out the door within like twenty four hours. I have
Speaker 10: no problem our parties have no problems with rolling leaders.
Speaker 10: But look, I think I wouldn't say it's undemocrat undemocratic.
Speaker 10: I think there has been a lot of pressure obviously
Speaker 10: behind the scenes, as well as people saying on the
Speaker 10: record now increasingly that they think that he should reconsider
Speaker 10: his re election bid. People have been quite forthright about that,
Speaker 10: and that's part of I guess, a country which values
Speaker 10: free speech and where people have a right to express
Speaker 10: their opinion, even if it's the leader of their own party.
Speaker 10: What I will say is that I think what Biden's
Speaker 10: language has been lately in interviews has been extremely telling.
Speaker 10: Think about what he said during the first interview after
Speaker 10: that disastrous debate where he said only the Lord Almighty
Speaker 10: could get him to stand down.
Speaker 1: Now it's a mere doctor. Now.
Speaker 10: I know a lot of doctors think they're God. But
Speaker 10: that is a step down, isn't it.
Speaker 3: That is a little bit there. But Michael, let's talk
Speaker 3: a little bit about sort of what comes next here,
Speaker 3: because there has been reports that the Democrats are going
Speaker 3: to push back the time when people go where the
Speaker 3: delegates go to cast their official votes, to push it
Speaker 3: back to the convention. So it seems to me that
Speaker 3: there's a couple of factions involved here. There's some people
Speaker 3: who want to just anoint Kamala Harris, and I agree
Speaker 3: with you that if she did stand, she would do
Speaker 3: better than people think, particularly in the suburbs with suburban women.
Speaker 3: But there's also a group that wants to throw it open,
Speaker 3: I think, at the convention and have the messiness of
Speaker 3: an open convention. Who's going to win here, the back
Speaker 3: room boys or the delegates on the floor.
Speaker 2: You know, the backroom boys are going to win and go.
Speaker 2: Of course, they can't have a they can't they can't
Speaker 2: have an election on the floor. Look for a whole
Speaker 2: host of reasons. It has to be Harris. She's the
Speaker 2: ranking VP, she's a black woman. But the most important
Speaker 2: reason why you know, stick with me here, James, The
Speaker 2: most important reason while she'll why she would get while
Speaker 2: she'll get the nomination, is this, the Democratic Party leadership
Speaker 2: is so incredibly weak. It's so no one's actually running
Speaker 2: this show. We've got Congressman here, We've got Track Suma there,
Speaker 2: We've got George Clooney, an actor there. I mean, no
Speaker 2: one's running it. So to them for them to coalesce
Speaker 2: around anyone but the vice president would take them six months.
Speaker 2: So she's the ranking figure, she's got two hundred million
Speaker 2: dollars in the bank. They've got nothing, and she'll run.
Speaker 2: And the establishment wouldn't have enough power, time, energy, prestige,
Speaker 2: you know, moral authority to coalesce behind anyone else. That's
Speaker 2: why it'll be Harris. The only, the only, the only alternative.
Speaker 2: That is, if Michelle Obama says she's running, Harris would
Speaker 2: probably step down for Michelle Obama. But I see no
Speaker 2: evidence at all that Michelle Obama wants to run. You
Speaker 2: would have seen some leaks, some indication, but there's absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2: So I presume she's not running so they can't have
Speaker 2: a contested election. Biden is going to announce that he's
Speaker 2: standing down. He will do that before the convention, which
Speaker 2: then means that they can have her as a coronation
Speaker 2: as the only candidate. I think that I'll try and
Speaker 2: do what the Republicans have done with Trump. It's a coronation.
Speaker 2: They won't want a buddy mess on the floor of
Speaker 2: the convention where Gretchen Whitmar and Kavin Newsom and her
Speaker 2: and whoever else. That would be a catastrophe for the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party. So that'll annoyed her. She'll anounced she's running
Speaker 2: a few days after that, everyone else announced they're not running,
Speaker 2: and she'll get the nomination out of pose. That's what's
Speaker 2: going to happen.
Speaker 3: Now, Caroline. I want to get to your exclusive in
Speaker 3: a moment about prohamas propaganda being shown in a Sydney school,
Speaker 3: But before we get to that, I just want to
Speaker 3: ask you. You know, we showed a little bit of
Speaker 3: jd Vance there. I thought he was incredibly impressive, and
Speaker 3: I thought that it was incredibly because two things. Number one,
Speaker 3: he's thirty nine so he's really young. So this generational
Speaker 3: change number two. He was talking about the nation and
Speaker 3: the family of a nation in a way that I
Speaker 3: don't think I've heard a politician speak in a long time,
Speaker 3: And even in Australia, where immigration is a big issue,
Speaker 3: I don't think we talk at all about national family
Speaker 3: and the way that we work together in that sort
Speaker 3: of way. What did you make of that?
Speaker 10: I think he's such a strong pick, and I've really
Speaker 10: enjoyed hearing a lot more from him and about him
Speaker 10: in the last few days because there were so many
Speaker 10: other names mentioned as possibilities and so many other ways
Speaker 10: he could go which and a lot of people who
Speaker 10: really had a lot going for them. But perhaps you know,
Speaker 10: to pick.
Speaker 1: A fellow white male.
Speaker 10: I think it's kind of like a strong It's strange,
Speaker 10: but these days to have two males running on the
Speaker 10: ticket is almost like wild because you almost have to
Speaker 10: pick just a diversity pick.
Speaker 1: But when you think about.
Speaker 10: It, jd Vance does represent a lot of the forgotten.
Speaker 1: Correct people of America who are Trump's.
Speaker 10: Base, and who are people that feel that they've been
Speaker 10: really let down by Biden's immigration policies and economic policies
Speaker 10: and that's who he really is speaking to. So I
Speaker 10: think it was a really clever, a clever, confident pick.
Speaker 3: And I think it's interesting because I think what we've
Speaker 3: seen now is the Republicans picking up all the people
Speaker 3: that Democrats have lost now that they've gone and become
Speaker 3: the Party of Wall Street and pronouns and all of that. No, Caroline,
Speaker 3: I want to stick with you for a second. Tell
Speaker 3: me about this really bizarre and disturbing story that you've
Speaker 3: uncovered at a Sydney school. Here. Tell us about this, Caroline.
Speaker 10: I think it's just another example of yet more political
Speaker 10: ideology and indoctrination creeping into school. So what is a
Speaker 10: public school on Sydney's northern beaches called Davidson High School
Speaker 10: and a new teacher there has been introducing very contentious material.
Speaker 1: I mean it's I've watched the video.
Speaker 10: It is a pro Hamas socialist propaganda video and the
Speaker 10: outfit that made it as a YouTube platform that says
Speaker 10: its purpose is to promote education from a socialist perspective.
Speaker 1: It was a sixteen minute video shown in.
Speaker 10: A commerce class for year ten students about international law
Speaker 10: which accused Israel being a genocidal apartheid state hamas as
Speaker 10: being resistance resistance fighters and the idea. Other ideas that
Speaker 10: it approached was that Israel was deliberately executing children and
Speaker 10: that it was starving the entire Gaza strip and other
Speaker 10: crazy ideas, also saying that even even having a go
Speaker 10: at Joe Biden for basically allowing the genocide to happen,
Speaker 10: and that no American leader, American leaders can't be trusted,
Speaker 10: that they all lie.
Speaker 1: It was real anti.
Speaker 10: West socialist propaganda. So what's happened is a Jewish family
Speaker 10: has pulled their star student daughter out of the school
Speaker 10: life so she was forced to listen to this rubbish
Speaker 10: and the teacher sent them a worksheet asking them to
Speaker 10: talk about the Gaza Jenis side and another video of
Speaker 10: CONTENTUS video.
Speaker 1: They pulled the daughter out. It took two weeks.
Speaker 10: And US to start asking questions for an investigation to
Speaker 10: finally be concluded. I can reveal on the show tonight
Speaker 10: the teacher will not have any more disciplinary action taken
Speaker 10: against him. They did say that the material was inappropriate,
Speaker 10: but the Department of Education said it's code of conduct
Speaker 10: which makes it clear that teachers cannot bring in political
Speaker 10: their personal political beliefs in the classroom was not breached
Speaker 10: because there was no malice intended.
Speaker 3: Come. Ah, this whole thing with the code of conduct.
Speaker 3: We've seen this before time and time again. And this
Speaker 3: is why parents need to and grandparents need to be
Speaker 3: involved with and check out what they're teaching in your kids' schools. Now, Michael,
Speaker 3: want to move on to another subject with you here,
Speaker 3: because labor has a new excuse not to go anywhere
Speaker 3: near the nuclear power program that Peter Dtner the liberals
Speaker 3: are pushing and they're seeing now and explain this one
Speaker 3: to me, because they're concerned that eleven thousand farms near
Speaker 3: the proposed potential reactor sites may may may just may
Speaker 3: be exposed to radiation if and that's a big if,
Speaker 3: if there was ever a nuclear leak. Now, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just find Michael Kroger this sudden concern for farmers
Speaker 3: and the impact on their land by labor where they're
Speaker 3: shoving transmission line, solar powers, wind farms, all of this
Speaker 3: stuff across agricultural land, prime agricultural land. It's a bit,
Speaker 3: it's a bit sort of much, isn't it, Michael Kroger.
Speaker 2: Well, at least they know farmers still operate in this country.
Speaker 2: How many since the body ever met a farmer? Would
Speaker 2: not would they have ever been to Have they ever
Speaker 2: been to a mine? They ever been to you know,
Speaker 2: any of the minds in Western Australia or Coeensland. Look this,
Speaker 2: this is embarrassing, right, this is this is like the
Speaker 2: three headed fish they try to couple. This is really childish.
Speaker 2: This is in people, this base argument. I mean, they've
Speaker 2: had nuclear power plants in France for decades. Seventy percent
Speaker 2: of the electricity in France comes from nuclear energy and
Speaker 2: they have had that for decades. So I mean, this
Speaker 2: kind of argument is puerile. It is schoolboy stuff. It's
Speaker 2: embarrassing that labor are running these lines. And you know
Speaker 2: they've had this ideological opposition to uranium mining and nuclear
Speaker 2: power ever since I went to Union in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 2: and they they just can't get it out of their head.
Speaker 2: They've always hated the mining industry, but they've had a
Speaker 2: particular hatred of uranium and nuclear energy and it's just embarrassing,
Speaker 2: it's humiliating. If you've got a good argument, do it on,
Speaker 2: do it on you know, unproven small modular reactors or
Speaker 2: the cost and the delays involved. Stick to that. But
Speaker 2: to run these types of arguments, it's it's just humiliating
Speaker 2: and you can't treat people are complete idiots. And that's
Speaker 2: what top of argument does it It insults the electric mate.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you're absolutely right, but you know there's
Speaker 3: more stuff coming out here too. And The Nightly is
Speaker 3: now reporting that a group of corporate giants, including two
Speaker 3: mining heavyweights, pleaded with the Prime Minister back in March
Speaker 3: to amend Labour's Nature Positive Plan, writing we estimate that
Speaker 3: the reform could it is likely to lead to billions
Speaker 3: of dollars in lost investment and tens of thousands of
Speaker 3: jobs lost in Western Australia alone. First of all, Caroline,
Speaker 3: I'll start with you on this one very quickly. Tell
Speaker 3: us about this Nature Positive Problem plan and what are
Speaker 3: the problems with it for industry.
Speaker 10: Well, clearly industry thinks that it would lead to a
Speaker 10: big loss in the number of jobs and revenue, which
Speaker 10: is yet another example of the government shoving these types
Speaker 10: of environmentally green policies down people's throats without thinking of
Speaker 10: the bigger picture. Are people going to be able to
Speaker 10: keep their jobs, especially in places like Western Australia. Are
Speaker 10: they going to be able to pay their power bills
Speaker 10: and have any money in their pocket at the end
Speaker 10: of the week. And they're more interested in just pushing
Speaker 10: green policies because they're trying to get to these targets
Speaker 10: just at any cost.
Speaker 3: And I mean, this nature positive program is justice seeing
Speaker 3: where they're going to try and you know, make the environment,
Speaker 3: you know, put everything through the environmental lems first. And
Speaker 3: I don't know how they can get any business done
Speaker 3: because Michael Hancock, Prospecting Hancock Prospecting chief executive Gary Court
Speaker 3: and Rio Tinto boss Simon Trant signed the letter. These
Speaker 3: are huge names, Michael and Albaniazi has essentially ignored them.
Speaker 3: I mean, what does that tell you.
Speaker 5: M.
Speaker 2: Well, mate, what we're seeing here is the socialist left
Speaker 2: leader of the Labor Party tenure Plibas because you're also
Speaker 2: in the socialist left, You've got you haven't got much
Speaker 2: distance between the socials left of the Labor Party and
Speaker 2: the Greens, and gets dragged to the left on all
Speaker 2: of these things because that's sort of his natural home,
Speaker 2: his natural inflation does sit there and say, well, you know,
Speaker 2: basically I agree with all this stuff. So it's another
Speaker 2: example of the You know, this is another example of
Speaker 2: the inner city activist elites who have an unlimited agenda
Speaker 2: of demands for change. Have been using the environmental issue
Speaker 2: for forty years. Once one thing's been achieved, they keep
Speaker 2: going to the next one, the next one, the next one.
Speaker 2: It's an unending agenda. It'll never stop, right unless you
Speaker 2: put draw a line than sand and say no more,
Speaker 2: no more, which is one of the reasons they hate
Speaker 2: Trump because he's a line in the sand type of leader.
Speaker 2: But Albow just gets dragged. He's he's weak, he's insip
Speaker 2: it on this stuff, and he basically agrees with it.
Speaker 2: That's why he's pushing back against Hancock, Prospecting and everybody else.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, it's terrible stuff. Dow want Michael Calin stay where
Speaker 3: you are, don't go anywhere, and you don't go anywhere either,
Speaker 3: because after the break, the latest from the loons on
Speaker 3: the left, you're gonna love this. The Greens are now
Speaker 3: demanding that labor override the RBA. Now, I mean, come on,
Speaker 3: that is a one way ticket to hyperinflation. Banana Republic territory.
Speaker 3: What are they doing about economics? Coming up next, Welcome
Speaker 3: back to the program, Pal Murray Live. James Borrow here
Speaker 3: sitting in for the Great Man for our Thursday night panel. Now,
Speaker 3: let's get back into it with former Victorian Liberal Party
Speaker 3: president Michael Kroger and Sky News senior reporter Caroline Marcus.
Speaker 3: Let's kick things off with the Greens, and they're outrageous,
Speaker 3: economically illiterate, basically communist request. Thank you, Caroline. Yes, to
Speaker 3: override the RBA and their potential right hags reat hikes Caroline. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm the last person to throw my support behind Labor's budget,
Speaker 3: but overriding the RBA, this is well, come on, I mean,
Speaker 3: we're going to completely make the bank political. Wasn't the
Speaker 3: whole point of the reform that we've gone through the
Speaker 3: last century to make the RBA independent for very good reason?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 10: Well, and still the Greens say that cash rate decisions
Speaker 10: are inherently political. But I think if I'm going to
Speaker 10: trust anyone, it'll be with the honchos at the RBA
Speaker 10: over the great brains of the Greens economic policy makers,
Speaker 10: because I would not trust them anything that comes out
Speaker 10: of their mouths. I would say, do the opposite when
Speaker 10: it comes to the economy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, Michael, look, there is something to be
Speaker 3: said that there has been lately an element of politics
Speaker 3: I think injected into the RBA process, which I think
Speaker 3: is a little bit unfortunate. But I mean, like the
Speaker 3: Greens are so illiterate with everything else. They want to
Speaker 3: introduce rent caps, they want to have price controls on
Speaker 3: all sorts of things. Imagine if they had their say
Speaker 3: in monetary policy, we'd be finished.
Speaker 2: Oh that'd be great, you know, James. For me, the
Speaker 2: bigger issue is this. The bigger issue for me is this.
Speaker 2: The opinion polls show that the Greens get ten to
Speaker 2: fifteen percent of the vote around this country, generally speaking,
Speaker 2: nothing in the country because they're broll sensible, but in
Speaker 2: the city, of course, the young, woke, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: The ten to fifteen percent of Australians want to vote
Speaker 2: for these people is a really worrying sign for our
Speaker 2: country and our future. I mean, these people are economic hooligans.
Speaker 2: They're anty Israel. There are elements of them that hate
Speaker 2: the Jewish community, as we've seen. They don't condemn Hamas.
Speaker 2: They're anti American, they're anti British, they're anti NATO, they're
Speaker 2: anti Ansys, they don't like Anzac Day. They never honor
Speaker 2: Australians men and women who have gone to war never.
Speaker 2: They don't care about farmers, they don't care about small business,
Speaker 2: you know. They want extreme agendas, in relation agenda and
Speaker 2: all these other other work policies. I mean, these people
Speaker 2: are fruitcakes. Ten to fifteen percent of Australians want to
Speaker 2: vote for them, So it shows you that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of work to be done by Liberal and Labor
Speaker 2: and One Nation and the other parties. Because boy, that's
Speaker 2: a worrying sign that so many people want to vote
Speaker 2: for this political party who in the modern ear are
Speaker 2: just an obscenity.
Speaker 9: Mmmm.
Speaker 10: I think people a lot of people still just associate
Speaker 10: Greens with the original environmental aims that they had. And
Speaker 10: there are a lot of young people who were concerned
Speaker 10: about the climate and climate change and have had a.
Speaker 1: Lot of this stuff shoved down their throats.
Speaker 10: For years and years, but they're not seeing the bigger
Speaker 10: picture with the Greens. And I know some of their
Speaker 10: policies in terms of rent are popular in some inner
Speaker 10: city areas where young people aren't able to get into.
Speaker 1: How I can tell you, but I don't think they're seeing.
Speaker 10: The bigger picture with the Greens, who have moved so
Speaker 10: far away from being just some ezy environmental cults.
Speaker 1: Well, let's not forget.
Speaker 3: Let's not forget that the Greens are basically the successor
Speaker 3: to the Communist Party of Australia and after the Berlin
Speaker 3: Wall film, many of the people in the CPA fell
Speaker 3: into the Greens and that became the successor party to
Speaker 3: the Communist Party of Australia. So it is no surprise
Speaker 3: that they want to have this statist sort of economics.
Speaker 3: And I can tell you something, by the way, having
Speaker 3: lived in New York for half my life, where they
Speaker 3: did have rent control. That is an absolute disaster because
Speaker 3: once people get into apartments they never leave them ever,
Speaker 3: and it creates a whole housing crisis for everybody who's
Speaker 3: not lucky enough to have one of these grandfather's apartments,
Speaker 3: grandfathered apartments. It's a disaster. But let's move on to
Speaker 3: New South Wales, where the Men's government has been accused
Speaker 3: of and Caroline, maybe you can explain this phrase to
Speaker 3: me here carbon colonialism. I bet there's more than just
Speaker 3: the alliteration in that saying that New South Wales, New
Speaker 3: South Wales greenhouse gas emissions reductions proposed by the federal
Speaker 3: government would actually result in higher global emissions. Can explain
Speaker 3: this to me here.
Speaker 10: I can't explain it because I don't really understand. Everything
Speaker 10: is colonialism these days, like chess is colonialism apparently because
Speaker 10: the white pieces go first over the black.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't know, Okay, all right, racist, everything is imperialist,
Speaker 10: everything is colonialist.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 10: I think they put like a clever term on it,
Speaker 10: and I'm really.
Speaker 3: But Michael, one of the things I think that people
Speaker 3: are talking about here is saying that, you know, well,
Speaker 3: if we're going for these hard targets here, we're not
Speaker 3: going to log sustainable forests here, then logging is going
Speaker 3: to be done overseas and things like that. Essentially, this argument,
Speaker 3: I think that comes from the idea that if we
Speaker 3: don't sell people our cleaner call that we have in Australia,
Speaker 3: they're going to burn dirtier, dirtier call for mine's overseas.
Speaker 3: I mean there is a little something to that argument,
Speaker 3: isn't there.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, look, if you the Men's government, miss fellow, Men's
Speaker 2: was going well until this, and then I mean, if
Speaker 2: you export all of the hardwood timber, you know, to
Speaker 2: another country and then you have to pay them and
Speaker 2: import it from there. I mean, is that we've got
Speaker 2: hardwood timber plantations in Australia. Is that good for Australia
Speaker 2: to do that? I don't think so. I mean, I
Speaker 2: just don't think so, and believe it on. You still
Speaker 2: need timber to build things. You need timber to build houses.
Speaker 2: So if you make timber more expensive by having to
Speaker 2: import it from overseas, then is that good for housing?
Speaker 2: Is that good for the housing sector? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: So these extreme policies, I mean hardwood timber, there are plantations,
Speaker 2: they wait for how many years for them to be
Speaker 2: to be mature, They harvest them, they log them, they
Speaker 2: use them, and then they rebuild them, they replenish them.
Speaker 2: And we've had a lot of that in Australia. Do
Speaker 2: have a lot in Australia. So if you want to
Speaker 2: outlaw hardwood timber plantations and harvesting, well that's that's a
Speaker 2: recipe for disaster. And you know, yeah, we'll make Indonesia
Speaker 2: and these other countries colonial bases for the future and
Speaker 2: then they can have those arguments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean fantastic. And this all just sort of
Speaker 3: reminds me of something that my friend Tim Blair at
Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph says, which is that nothing green ever works.
Speaker 3: And I think this is a great example of that.
Speaker 3: And you know what else is a great example of this, Caroline,
Speaker 3: is this idea that Chris Bowen has. Some people call
Speaker 3: him blackout Bowen, some people call him Casanova Bowen. You
Speaker 3: can call them whatever you like, just don't call them
Speaker 3: a cab, especially if it's not electric, because he says
Speaker 3: that now what he wants is that we're all gonna
Speaker 3: have EV's and they're gonna charge up and then at
Speaker 3: night they're gonna be a battery, so that when the
Speaker 3: grid is failing because it's not powered by useful things
Speaker 3: like gas and nuclear, that's gonna, you know, let it
Speaker 3: run their dishwashers at night. Caroline, how bonkers is this policy?
Speaker 1: It's off the charts bonkers.
Speaker 10: First of all, not as many people are buying EV's
Speaker 10: as they hope, because we don't live in the kind
Speaker 10: of country where evs are without the infrastructure in place,
Speaker 10: at least a smart investment.
Speaker 3: To be fair, people aren't buying them in the US
Speaker 3: or Europe as much as they used to either.
Speaker 10: Well, yes, and I mean only recently we were discussing
Speaker 10: on Sky News how more people are buying hybrids and
Speaker 10: that's not good enough for all the greenies because it's
Speaker 10: just not enough. They want us to go for ev
Speaker 10: But having to charge your car for what is it,
Speaker 10: twelve hours more than that just to be able to
Speaker 10: drive it anywhere, how are you going to have any
Speaker 10: power left over to run your refrigerator and your dishwasher
Speaker 10: at the end of the day, can barely run your
Speaker 10: car after charging it for hours and hours and hours.
Speaker 3: Thank you very well, said. Now we've got to take
Speaker 3: a break here, but before we go, I want to
Speaker 3: get Michael Kroger and Callen Marcus your winners and losers
Speaker 3: of the week. Michael Kroger winner and loser this week?
Speaker 2: Well JD Vans for obvious reasons. The loser of the
Speaker 2: week is this American news channel called MSNBC. Oh John
Speaker 2: Foxville channel six ' one to two, want to see
Speaker 2: a bunch of fruitcakes? Go on to that station. I
Speaker 2: was watching it today and I'm thinking these people can't
Speaker 2: be serious. This woman was on saying Biden recovering from
Speaker 2: COVID is the same as Trump recovering from the attempted
Speaker 2: assassination attempt. And I'm thinking what I mean, it is
Speaker 2: a fruitcake station. If you want to have a laugh
Speaker 2: and see a whole lot of people who are actually
Speaker 2: living on in a parallel universe, turn on MSNBC. It's
Speaker 2: it's a very funny. It's very funny, and they take
Speaker 2: themselves incredibly seriously.
Speaker 1: So after you.
Speaker 3: Finish ship, come back here to Sky News. So Caroline,
Speaker 3: you're a Winner's.
Speaker 10: Like a broken record because when I was on last week,
Speaker 10: I said winner Trump, But how how can it not
Speaker 10: be Trump? The guy survived an assassination attempt with a
Speaker 10: turn of his head. I think he is the winner
Speaker 10: of the year, or century, maybe millenia, I don't know. Loser,
Speaker 10: I mean, Biden would be the easy one to go with.
Speaker 10: He's been knocked over by a glorified cold it would
Speaker 10: look like. But I'll say for more local relevance, cefm
Speaker 10: AU and everyone within the labor movement who's pretending that
Speaker 10: they had.
Speaker 3: No idea, no idea, thugs at all, have no idea
Speaker 3: a legenda anyway, Thank you so much. Bugger crowd to Crown,
Speaker 3: Marcus appreciate that. Now, don't go anywhere. We will be
Speaker 3: right back after the break with our panel discussing Labor's
Speaker 3: latest nuclear scare tactics and what could they possibly come
Speaker 3: up with. Now you're not gonna want to miss it
Speaker 3: after the break, Welcome back to the program. James Morrow
Speaker 3: sitting in here for Paulburry Live. I'm joined now by
Speaker 3: former Labor MP Michael Danby and One Nation Chief of
Speaker 3: Staff James Ashby. Gentlemen, thanks so much for joining me
Speaker 3: on the program tonight. I want to get stuck into
Speaker 3: this topic here where I was really surprised to read
Speaker 3: this story where a bunch of psychologists and mental health
Speaker 3: organizations are saying they are a against this idea of
Speaker 3: banning social media for people under sixteen, saying it risks
Speaker 3: alienating young people in that oh, well, you know they
Speaker 3: need to learn how to do it otherwise. Now it
Speaker 3: seems to be Michael, this has a bit art. It's
Speaker 3: a bit almost like saying, well, maybe kids need to
Speaker 3: learn how to drink Martinez when they're sixteen, because you
Speaker 3: know they're going to have to do it when they're
Speaker 3: twenty eight. What do you think Michael.
Speaker 11: Social media has had an absolutely toxic effect on Western societies.
Speaker 11: It's not to stay. There are not some aspects of
Speaker 11: it that are good for the sharing of information, But
Speaker 11: TikTok is a Chinese government supported propagandaam It may not
Speaker 11: be obvious to young people if that's what it is,
Speaker 11: but really it's going to be taken more seriously. I
Speaker 11: hope the Trump Vans teams stick with selling it to
Speaker 11: an American company that would take out that pro Beijing algorithm.
Speaker 11: But all of it. They are not merely platforms Jones,
Speaker 11: as you know, they're publishers. We should in every Western
Speaker 11: country reclassify them as that and treat them as the
Speaker 11: same as newspapers. You wouldn't be able to write the fametory, homophobic,
Speaker 11: mad sex stuff that appears on Twitter all the time.
Speaker 11: If you wrote it to a newspaper, you'd have to
Speaker 11: give your name an address.
Speaker 3: And James Ashby, I mean, what do you think about this,
Speaker 3: because of course, you know, with Pauline Hans, you've done
Speaker 3: some phenomenal stuff that goes out on social media, you
Speaker 3: know the please Explain cartoons, which we all love. But
Speaker 3: the question I also have is about the regulation if
Speaker 3: you start to regulate it, do we start to lose
Speaker 3: some freedoms beyond what Michael is saying about, you know,
Speaker 3: not saying so this defamatory or whatever, but actually about
Speaker 3: you know, being able to publish stuff anonymously that could
Speaker 3: be classified as misinformation. It's actually correct.
Speaker 12: I think the biggest issue is social media, and ask
Speaker 12: any business owner, they'll say that it's been responsible for
Speaker 12: the lowering of productivity in the workplace. It's highly addictive.
Speaker 12: I know myself. I can get carried away on it
Speaker 12: just before I go to bed, and you stay up
Speaker 12: for hours. Time just gets away on you. So for
Speaker 12: a lot of these kids, they don't realize what it's
Speaker 12: doing to their own mental health. Again, it comes back
Speaker 12: to giving the power back to parents to be able
Speaker 12: to say enough's enough. But I know of people who've
Speaker 12: said to me their own daughter at the age of fourteen,
Speaker 12: has called the police because the parents have confiscated their
Speaker 12: phone off them. Right, this is the sort of behavior
Speaker 12: that parents are putting up with, and when coppers turn
Speaker 12: up on the doorstep and say, listen, you're probably better
Speaker 12: off giving the phone back to the kid. We're taking
Speaker 12: the power away from parents to be able to parents.
Speaker 12: So of course social media is toxic. Banning it. I
Speaker 12: don't know whether that's the answer. I think it's the
Speaker 12: easy way out, but it's not going to work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, look it's a tough one. James. Want to
Speaker 3: stick with you just for a minute here, because Liberal
Speaker 3: Party strategist Tony Barry from a Redbridge pulling he has
Speaker 3: warned that Australians are losing interest in Labor's renewable energy dream.
Speaker 3: I would say as a warn, I think it's actually
Speaker 3: probably good news and are becoming skeptical of the fancy
Speaker 3: the government is trying to sell. You know, in Queensland
Speaker 3: you would see tons of this because of course is
Speaker 3: round zero for a lot of the renewable stuff. Is
Speaker 3: this what you're seeing on the ground.
Speaker 12: Well, we saw the dot com bubble verse many years ago,
Speaker 12: as you remember, and maybe we're about to see the
Speaker 12: energy or the green energy bubble burst as well in
Speaker 12: coming time. Because you're right, very few people are starting
Speaker 12: to back the renewable projects that the state government and
Speaker 12: federal government have backed, simply because it's costing people money.
Speaker 12: If you want to go down this green dream path,
Speaker 12: expect your power bills to continue going up, and isn't
Speaker 12: it funny though, just prior to an election everyone gets
Speaker 12: a thousand dollars chipped into their bank account by the
Speaker 12: Queens end government. Why because they know it's hurting households
Speaker 12: and they think that by giving people reprieve for one
Speaker 12: quarter of a power bill is going to buy them votes.
Speaker 12: No people know what's happening. It's una continued, I think worst.
Speaker 12: And the high these targets go, the more it's going
Speaker 12: to cost.
Speaker 3: So you're spot on there, James asked me, Michael, I
Speaker 3: wanted just to ask you the question about saying. We
Speaker 3: spoke a lot about the convention and Trump and JD
Speaker 3: Evans earlier in the program. A lot of positive feeling
Speaker 3: around JD Evans, But I want to ask you about
Speaker 3: some concerns you have about Taiwan, Trump and transactional foreign policy.
Speaker 3: Just briefly explain that to.
Speaker 11: Us, Well, Trump has all the Taiwanese has got to
Speaker 11: spend more on defense. I'll translate some of the articles
Speaker 11: for Ambassador Natus Run. You have to tell this to Elbow, Kevin,
Speaker 11: don't bludge on the Americans. Trump has said to the
Speaker 11: Taiwanese like you said to the NATO. You can't spend
Speaker 11: total on your own defense and expect America to be
Speaker 11: your insurance policy. Let he find out about what little
Speaker 11: we spend and how ineffectively on defense in Australia. Ambassador
Speaker 11: Rudd through to inform Albo about the Zeipgei coming from
Speaker 11: Trump and vance the Taiwanese only send two and a
Speaker 11: half on defense. I've been there three times. I always
Speaker 11: thought they were a bit light on Yeah, they better
Speaker 11: lift their game or they're like they've already done in NATO.
Speaker 11: Trump's threat flash time. But they've got a problem, and
Speaker 11: we've got a problem too.
Speaker 3: I think, Michael, you're absolutely right that we've got a
Speaker 3: problem because Trump or no Trump, we do not spend
Speaker 3: enough on defense and our defense procurement is an absolute shambles.
Speaker 3: Now we've just got a little over a minute here
Speaker 3: left on the program. I'm going to ask you both
Speaker 3: your winners and losers for the week. James Ashby is
Speaker 3: starting with you. Big winner, big loser.
Speaker 12: Well, the biggest loser is the Queensland Labor Party twenty
Speaker 12: six percent of the primary vote. Oh that's terrible. Biggest winner.
Speaker 12: The hard work from Pauline Hanson, Malcolm Roberts has earn't
Speaker 12: us a big like in our approval writing across Queensland
Speaker 12: and thirteen percent of the primary vite. That's strong.
Speaker 3: Michael Daan's just got thirty seconds left, give me a
Speaker 3: quick Winners and losers.
Speaker 11: The head of a secret service in America who said
Speaker 11: her agents can't go on slope roots. Ah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 11: very athletic they are. And the big winner is Sky
Speaker 11: News with Ambassador Joe Hockey, your American program and Alish
Speaker 11: Nielsen Adam Creighton. The American coverage you get on this
Speaker 11: network is far superior to the vastly over funded ABC.
Speaker 11: It's amazing. In fact, you can learn act more about
Speaker 11: American politics.
Speaker 4: Game.
Speaker 3: Thank you for the great plug. And by the way,
Speaker 3: I'll be on tomorrow night eight pm with the US
Speaker 3: Report with all the news of the convention. The Elite
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