WEBVTT - Summer series: in conversation with Kate Langbroek 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:09.600 Hello, and welcome to Something to Talk About Mastella Podcast. 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.000 I'm Sarah Lamarquin, your host, and this year I have 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.079 had the privilege of sitting down with some of the 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:18.760 biggest names in the country. Because when Estrala's celebrities are 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.400 ready to talk, they come to Something to Talk About. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.800 We're continuing to publish across the summer break, and we'll 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:27.880 be back with a brand new episode on January twelfth. 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.600 In the meantime, each day for the next two weeks, 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:33.360 we'll be revisiting some of your favorite episodes from the 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:35.720 past year, and I'm happy to report that there have 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.800 been a lot of popular episodes, but out of the 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.960 fifty we released in twenty twenty four, we've narrowed it 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:45.920 down to ten conversations to revisit over the summer break, 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:49.320 and today we'll hear from Kate Langbrook. When I first 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:51.960 spoke to Kate in July, we spoke about the glamor 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:55.360 gap that divides men and women working on TV, had 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:58.840 a candid update on her family, and somehow she even 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.520 managed to fondly look back on that time I fired 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.880 her as a stellar columnist. I'm sure you'll enjoy this 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:06.920 chat with Kate, just as much as I did. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:14.959 Kay, Sarah Sarah, whatever will be will be. We're chatting 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:20.160 just you and me, Okay, Sarah Sarah. Does everyone always 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:21.080 sing that song to you? 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.440 No, you're the first person we've recorded it because you 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.560 know that's what we do because it's a podcast. So 0:01:27.920 --> 0:01:30.000 do I have your permission to use that as a 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:31.800 new opening credits for something. 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.200 To talk about? You? Are you have my permission to 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.959 use me any way you like, milady friend? 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.360 Oh well, look, Kate, it's already been an absolute pleasure 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.120 having you back on something to talk about. You know, 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:48.360 I was going to mention I don't always talk about 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:50.920 things that go off air. Don't panic here, don't worry. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:54.960 It's nothing controversial. I think we kept We did all 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:58.480 of that on air, didn't we tame when we went 0:01:58.520 --> 0:01:58.840 off here? 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:00.520 And you know I'm not panicer. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.360 No, No, that that is right. I do not think 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:05.680 that I could make you panic, but I certainly don't 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.000 even want to. But at the end of our chat 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.160 last year, Kate, we had a conversation about catching up. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:15.080 And I know that sounds so flippant, but I'm not 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:18.760 somebody that, within reason says that too flippantly, Oh, let's 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.120 really catch up, Let's have a coffee, let's do lunch. 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.720 I really mean it, and I honestly feel you all 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.519 this Obviously, I think everyone knows what. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:29.720 Kate says is pretty straight shooter. 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.560 But of course, spoiler alert, we never did, did we No? 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:37.280 No, well, because we were like Morning side of the 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.480 mountain and Twilight side of the hill, like we just 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:44.120 we just live in different universes and it's hard to 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.839 get them together. So I actually look forward to this 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.880 because it's you know, it's fun. 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.160 Well to thank you, and that's exactly what I was 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:56.480 going to say, and so our dear listeners, basically what 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.079 I'm saying to you is it's never a hardship for 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.040 you to sit down and have virtual coffee and banana 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.160 bread with Kate Langbrook, and for me selfishly, because she 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.680 and I never got together to have real coffee and 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.840 real banana bread, this is our excuse to catch up again. 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:13.600 Kate. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:18.000 You have recently launched your own podcast, The buck Up 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:23.320 with Nate Balvo, which is a weekly antidote that promises 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:28.720 to provide a joyous reprieve from depressing news cycles buzzwords 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:33.040 to do lists with a whole lot of laughter and levity. Kate, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.240 I definitely need laughter and levity in my life. I 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.680 think a lot of us do right now. So I 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.000 am proposing that today we do a bit of a 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.800 podcast mash up a little bit of something to talk about, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.080 and then I thought we could maybe bring a little 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.040 bit of the buck up. So what do you think 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:50.760 two podcasts for the private perfect? 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:56.480 Perfect, fantastic because otherwise the times are heavy. They are 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:01.040 there's no doubt, and these no doubt that it's important 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.720 that you take on that stuff. But the way also 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:07.080 because we're so connected and the news is just coming 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.400 at you constantly, there's only so much the human spirit 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.280 can bear. And there's these other aspects to the human 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:19.400 spirit which actually help you endure everything and make bad 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.240 times better. And that is humor and joy and as 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:26.960 you said, levity and just an exchange of stories from 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:31.160 your life. You know how there is hopefully everyone has 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.320 a friend that when they see that friend they feel 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:39.520 better after. You know, some people are drainers. Some people drainers, 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:43.000 and some people are taps. So Nathan Valvo and I 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.560 are the tap. We're just going to you can turn 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.800 the tap on it anytime there's a little half hour, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.000 we guarantee you'll feel better at the end of it, 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:55.799 just for us sharing our lives, listeners lives and having 0:04:55.839 --> 0:05:00.960 a laugh about things, because laughter is the greatest gift. 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:05.960 It absolutely is. It is as I said, really well, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.320 actually I stole it from the press release, so antidote 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.760 is not my word. It's whoever did the very clever 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.640 press release for the buck up. But it really is 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.839 the antidote to what we're living through. 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.280 Glad Yeah, the antidote to the times. And in fact, 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:22.600 Sarah Harris, who does the project and I'm lucky enough 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.760 to see on Tuesday nights when I do the show, 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.760 she sent me a message the other day when the 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.480 other week when it launched, and she said, oh my goodness, 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:37.119 I actually do feel better than I did. And she said, 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.960 this is the Prozac of podcasts. So if I was 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:43.479 really clever, I would have put. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:47.520 That in antidote. Prozac all the same thing. Look Sarah Harris, 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.599 she could also be writing press releases on the side. 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:54.200 And I think also, Kate, as you say, sometimes we 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.640 need that levity and it has quite a profound, I 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:03.159 think effect on the human spirit and sometimes humor and 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.400 the lightness and the having a bit of fun and 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.479 frivolity is something that sometimes people think, oh, I'm not 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.640 going to be taken seriously, or people are going to say, 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.000 these are very serious times, we don't have time for 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:21.000 something called the buck up. But actually it's critical, as 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.359 you say, and it's so great when people that have 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.680 that profile, like I do not necessarily need to be 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:31.919 quote unquote serious, because I think. 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.159 Any more than you already are and through your work, 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:38.200 and you know, we're all exposed to the world, and 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.359 because of the nature of the world we live in, 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.560 we're even exposed to parts of the world and happenings 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.480 in the world that we normally would not be And 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.320 sometimes when I look at the news in the morning, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:55.159 I'm just like, oh, a terrible like terrible, and you 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.720 feel a weight inside you that really if you were 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:02.560 to leave, I guess in a way that in a 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.960 more old fashioned way, I guess you would know your neighbors. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.039 You would know you know the people at school, or 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.160 the other people walking their dogs or the people at 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:17.960 the shops. You wouldn't necessarily have that weight on you. 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:22.280 You would have a proper community. So I think community 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.240 has been kind of become a bit of a weezer 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.720 word in many ways. Of like, any time people want 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.480 to just lump people together, they call it community. But 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:36.120 real community is linked by knowing each other. And when 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.080 you are taking on all this stuff from people that 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:39.800 you don't know, and it fills you with fear for 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.960 your children, for the world, for people that you love, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.920 it's not helpful to anybody because all it does is 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.400 atrophy you, I think, and make you incapable of It 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:54.600 makes you scared of your fellow humans. And it's just 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.200 it's just not helpful. 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.320 And it's connection too, isn't it. Because as you say, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:04.000 the word community has been a little bit exploited, probably 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.080 by I think certain sort of corporate jargon over the 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.640 last few years. But at its heart, it is about 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.920 that human connection and that's such a critical part of 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.480 navigating all of these parts of life. None of us 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.960 can do it without the village, as we say, no. 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.680 That's right, And you know if you've because I've been 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:26.280 lucky enough to spend most of my professional life in 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:32.800 well across many camps, really but very soundly rooted in 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:38.120 comedy and with comedians. That's always been during the comedy festivals, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:43.319 you know, Melbourne recently, Sydney's got Brisbane's got one. When 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.160 you sit in a room of people laughing, the energy 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:53.599 is so great, it's so powerful, but it's always underestimated. 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:59.000 It's like it's a long standing understood truth that a comedy, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:04.240 a common film, will never win an Academy Award. You've 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.480 got to you've got to delve into the depths and 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.880 you know, get a beautiful actress to make herself look ugly, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:12.880 and then everyone's like, oh yeah, but comedy is, like 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:18.000 you said a little bit, it's not valued. It's seen 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:21.360 as a flippancy, and sometimes it can be, but it 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:26.400 also is one of the basic tenets of my survival. 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.720 And as Megan Marker would see my thrival, it's not 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.880 enough to survive, it gotta thrive, and it is. It's 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:40.160 just happiness is such a leavening of the breed of 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.040 your soul that it makes everything else happy. 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:48.640 Wow, that was That was a beautiful sentence, Kate. You 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.760 mentioned Sarah Harris Saran that you appear alongside her on 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:58.000 the project on Tuesdays, and you also appear Instellar today. 0:09:58.200 --> 0:09:59.360 You've been photographed. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:04.640 Yeah, images so beautiful. That was such a beautiful shoes. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.319 I wanted to ask you about that side of your 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.120 role in the media because of the project, there's big 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.360 hair and makeup, and then there's wardrobe, and then you 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.720 come on set for Stella if there's a lot of 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:22.760 obviously focus on the styling, what you wear, hair and makeup. Again, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:27.479 do you like that side of what your role sometimes 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:28.400 demands of you? 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:35.079 Kate, Mmm, Well, the wardrobe girls will tell you, and 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.920 my girlfriend Alice would tell you that I am a 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:42.319 lazy dresser. Like even my boots I've gone on. I 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.680 have to have zips. I can't be bothering laces like 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.320 sometimes my girlfriend analy says to me, are you a toddler? 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:55.400 That you that you I would almost have belcro But 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.600 it is very lucky. It's like it's a beautiful thing. 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.360 In particular, during lockdown, you really learned that that the 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.880 things that you once resented or you know, you saw 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:13.480 as an obstacle were actually things you were lucky to have. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.959 So to go in once a week and have someone 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:20.920 actually do your makeup or do your hair was incredible, 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:26.480 And so I try to be less lazy. But when 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:31.000 I go into the project and the stylist Rachel sort 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.520 of oversees this team of other stylists in there, and 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.240 they really just they's so great and they're doing news, 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.840 they're doing whatever. And I've got some clothes hanging on 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.040 the rack. Normally this is what I do. I try 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.640 on the first one. I put it on over whatever 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.120 T shirt I'm wearing at the time, and I go, 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.959 that'll do. They're always like, can you try on the others, 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.120 just so we know. I'm like, oh, man, man, like 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:58.920 really pitiful, And this is my uniform that I wear 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:03.199 all the time. I've got overalls on. Do you call 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.199 them overalls? That? Yes, bib and brace. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.640 Overalls like yeah, I think other people, yeah you say braces, 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.120 but absolutely overalls over a T shirt. 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.800 Over a T shirt. I have very few shirts in 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.280 my wardrobeans taking them. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.880 Buttons, yeah, button, but dresser, yes. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:27.160 You've got it. You've got it. So just things I 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:29.640 can pull on and pull off, things I can zip 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:34.200 up and whip off. So I do enjoy like everyone like, 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:39.800 sometimes you put on a garment so transformative, Isn't it 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.480 really elevates you? You're like it's great for the spirit, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:47.720 like laughter, beauty is also I think a high principle, 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:52.840 not a low principle, So not like in a not 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:58.640 in a self obsessed sort of I'm gonna say, kardash 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.560 in way just a shorthand for what we know what 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:07.000 that means, but as our noble principle. Entire you know, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.880 entire civilizations have been founded on the love of beauty, 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.440 you know, the Romans and the Italians to this day, etc. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.720 So it does. It elevates you and it lifts you up. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.839 But I am loath to use that as much as 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.920 I possibly should. Also because I'm busy. I've got four kids, 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:30.480 I've got a husband, I work, and I can't be asked. 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:35.720 It's I'm reluctant. It would be a bit cliche of 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.200 me to say it's so refreshing to hear a woman 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:42.120 in the spotlight that's going on national television or going 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.120 in a major national magazine saying not going to worry 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:48.679 too much about that. So I'll be cliche and say 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:52.480 it is refreshing to hear somebody say that. But I 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:54.600 think about this a little bit in terms of women, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:58.160 because I would say, for me, Kay, I do agree 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:00.480 with you about aesthetic like it's something that actually feel 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:02.679 quite strongly with is a form of I think self 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.839 expression and identity, and it can be misunderstood in our 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.160 society because I think everyone assumes if a woman's taking 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:14.720 those things seriously whatever it is, that oh, she's pandering 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:19.120 to the male gaze, or there's some sort of metric 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:23.480 to use, as he said, the Kardashian shorthand for it, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:24.400 and who. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:30.520 Have taken it, because they have taken it to this extraordinary. 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:34.080 Length exactly, And there is obviously a level of exploitation 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:38.120 and more problematic things going on there. But that doesn't 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.680 mean that leaning into any of that glamour fashion style, 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:46.520 whatever it is, it doesn't have a more profound connection 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.880 to identity and self expression. But I always also love 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.000 exploring the idea that some people are like, that's just 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.200 not really something that I can be bothered doing the 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.680 buttons up or what else will constitute address that you 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.720 might think, well that would be amazing, but just could 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:06.360 not be bothered. I'm assuming zippers are good? Are they? 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:08.480 I mean, you know good? I don't want to sound 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.160 like I'm amish. What is it? The Armies? Are they 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.520 anti zipper? It must be zippers, is it? But they 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:14.240 have buttons? 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.800 Didn't know that they were anti zipper. 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.600 Because I think it's one of those fastenings is new technology, 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:23.880 so it must be the zipper because. 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:28.840 Right, yes, I can't imagine then, Like you talked about 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.480 laces before and shoes, so like a corset or something 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.560 like that. Yes, a million different buttons just yes, never 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:35.560 never know. 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.720 You know, when you watch, you know, something set in 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:43.280 the oldie times and they look so beautiful and they're 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.640 sort of wasp wasted, or you know that show that 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.040 We're bridget in. When I was watching bridging In, right, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.120 I was like, those they look so beautiful and it 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:59.200 really is like that that it's the epitome of feminine, right, 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.760 sometimes even to the point of being crippling in many ways, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.760 but it was the epitome of femininity. But I'm just like, 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:10.960 what would I have done in the olden days? What 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:16.640 would I have done? Oh, there is no way unless 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:20.640 I had a lady in waiting, you know, and you 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.800 did the traditional lean over the table. 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.840 Was Scarlet O'Hara in Gone with Them? 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:30.360 Yes, exactly exactly, But more likely I would have been 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:36.400 not upstairs but downstairs and in some steamy kitchen, you know, 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.560 with all everything hanging out as I juggled pots and pans, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.960 you know, for them upstairs. But even so, if I 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.520 was downstairs, I would be like the downstairs in the Titanic, 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:53.240 you know, they would dancing jig and the ones of course, yes, 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.280 the car, the car. 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:57.920 You would be there with Leo. It doesn't matter what part, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.120 the first class wherever it's going to be, Kate, Leo 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:02.320 steamy hand. 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.760 On the car. Well, I think in dancing a jeeg 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:08.320 wherever I am, I like to think I'm dancing a jig. Yeah, 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:10.000 even if it's just internally. 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:12.600 I think. You know, Kate, if you did decide to 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.560 go back into acting, we talked about your acting career 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.920 last time, maybe like a period drama, you know, Bridgeton, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.080 and it could be what does somebody with Kate Langbrook's 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:26.159 fuss free approach to dressing in this time? 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:31.399 I mean really imagine imagine that the diamond of the 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:35.640 season and then I come in all a jiggle. They 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.200 would not like it. 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.360 What about the makeup? Hair and makeup? We talk about 0:17:41.400 --> 0:17:43.840 the pay gap. I have talked about the pay gap, 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.720 Yes we have. I'm sure of course you have heard 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:52.000 and observed firsthand multiple times the hair and makeup gap 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.040 I'm not sure what it's called. Maybe there's a fancy 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:55.440 word for it, the glamor app. 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.679 Something somebody ever talks about that. 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:02.080 So let's say you're at the Project on Tuesday night 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:06.679 and yes, you know, you and Sarah. All women on 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.560 commercial TV, not just in Australia around the world can 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.800 be anywhere between, you know, forty five minute minimum, often 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.439 sixty ninety minutes, and people are listening going what do 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.760 they do in that time? Believe me, they do, They 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.960 do things. And then you would have Will Lead or 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:25.280 any of your male. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.760 Sam tauntons they whipping five minutes before the show. 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.440 How does that make you true? 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:35.880 Well, you know, this is interesting because it's like any 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.840 anyone listening to this, who any woman who's got ready 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.040 for an event that she's going to with her partner, 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:45.320 husband or whatever, would have noted this. The lead up, 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.960 the prep, the whatever, the shopping, the shoes, the fittings, 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:53.359 the la la and then the husband if he even 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:57.639 has a tux or puts it on, brushes his hair, 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:01.919 squirt of whatever to hide the funk of him, and 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:07.200 he's out the door. But this is what I kind 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:13.520 of think if I was offered the and it is television, right, 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.840 So it's vision. So that's a very important part. Like 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:20.560 today I've come in, I'm not wearing makeup. Probably I 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.040 should be. For people who are for her high death 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:28.520 watching this in a high definition, which is, by the way, horrendous. 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.560 If I was offered to go on the show, on 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.320 that show or any other and offered the opportunity to 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.200 save sixty to ninety minutes a day, I would not 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.359 take it. Really. I wouldn't take it too much that 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:48.879 I would put I would put this this shiny halloween 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:55.760 lantern face on television without any of the niceties that 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:58.959 go with television. I actually wouldn't do it, to be honest, 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.199 even though we but when we see the guys, we're 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.840 always like, it's how easy for you? Which it is. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:10.920 And then let's just say that you were thinking about 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.160 going back or moving into TV full time, you were 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:18.160 offered to aim her you know, morning TV show or 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.840 whatever TV may look like in five years, could be 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.120 a whole other time slot that I'm not even thinking sure, 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:27.359 And it all sounds great, and then they say, and 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:30.080 it would be you know, ninety minutes every day in 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.480 hair and Maker from Monday to Friday, and then wardrobe. 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:35.520 Would that then be a deal breaker for you, Kate? 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:39.840 I do think I think of that often when I 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.840 see you know, the sisters who do who do morning TV? 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.679 You know, Sylvia or nat Bar Gean. Nat Bar is 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.760 doing some heavy hitting at the moment, by the way, 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:54.640 isn't she She's just like bam bam coming out swinging amazing. Anyway, 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.080 I think they've got up. It's like that Ginger Rogers 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:03.280 free to steer things with their male co hosts. Everything. 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.800 They're doing everything he did, but backwards in high heels 0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.600 and in here and makeup nineteen minutes before. So they 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.080 must be getting in at like three thirty in the morning. 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.879 They are, I don't know, it comes in at three thirty. 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:17.360 You're right, it. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:22.280 Would be a consideration. But I also don't think, you know, 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:26.520 if you're wanting people to wake up with you. I 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:31.560 think it's nice that you have made that effort, don't you. 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.520 I do. It's one I wanted to ask you about 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.360 it because I don't think there's any easy answers to this, 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.639 as in it's as you said, it's that example, getting 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.520 ready for an event at home. If you're in a 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.160 heterosexual relationship and as the guy comes in and gets 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.560 ready in two minutes. It's not fair and it's crazy. 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:54.800 But then are we outraged about it? And that is 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.520 an opening. Some people may be outraged. 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:57.919 I'm not. 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.040 I really wanted to know. Yeah, what your thoughts. 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:04.879 No, but it's just one of those things that you clock. 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:10.280 It is. It's like at Christmas time, Christmas would not 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.640 happen without the women generally. 0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:14.879 That's right. Well, I do get a bit outraged about you. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.439 Yeah, but it's annoying. It's annoying. It's you know, no 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.360 one in an office would get a present if were 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:22.240 it not for the women. 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:23.600 This is true, you know. 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:25.639 What I mean. It's like, it's just the stuff that 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:28.600 we do. But I think in many ways like that, 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:33.959 your strength is also your weakness. So women make the 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:37.879 world beautiful, and we are the ornaments of the world. 0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.199 There is no doubt. We're not the birds. We're not 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:44.520 the drab, brown ones where the colorful, beautiful ones not 0:22:44.640 --> 0:22:48.600 always don't have to be. But that is something that 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.720 is open to us. And I love that we have 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:57.320 that capacity I have, but it can also consume you. 0:22:57.680 --> 0:22:58.120 It's true. 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:00.720 And you know you said for the male gay earlier 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.200 ninety percent of it is not for the male gaze, 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:09.159 that's right, and it's it's either for our gaye or 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:10.240 for the gays of each other. 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:15.240 And when we come back, I ask Kate about how 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:20.000 she's balancing the work family life ratio in twenty twenty four. 0:23:20.680 --> 0:23:26.840 Her answer is very unexpected and very funny. Kate, I 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:31.000 wanted to get your pick your brains on this thing 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:35.160 that we call work life family ratio because you always 0:23:35.200 --> 0:23:40.159 have such really refreshing, wonderful insights into it. You and 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:45.359 I obviously have discussed previously, you and your family going 0:23:45.400 --> 0:23:48.119