WEBVTT - Sharri | 4 June

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<v Speaker 1>Life sharing, good evening well first tonight to the Albanezy

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<v Speaker 1>government's humiliating back down in Parliament today.

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<v Speaker 2>It was sparked by the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Allowing the most woke left wing government in the Western

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<v Speaker 1>world to dictate his foreign policy. Remember when Jacinta Ardourn

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<v Speaker 1>was applauded by the Canbra bubble for giving Scott Morrison

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<v Speaker 1>a slapdown about his immigration policy.

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<v Speaker 3>This is corrosive to our relationship.

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<v Speaker 4>Scott Morrison, Cobbs and a dern Burn.

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<v Speaker 2>Do not deport your people and your problems.

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<v Speaker 4>Once you've done your time, we send you home.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The coalition's policy was that if there's a criminal migrant,

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<v Speaker 1>say a murderer or a child rapist, and they're a

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<v Speaker 1>citizen of another country, well then they should be deported.

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<v Speaker 1>But desperate to appeal to drn a widely popular young female,

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister Albanesi capitulated to her demand.

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<v Speaker 2>Absurdly.

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<v Speaker 1>He was proud of the fact he was weakening Australia's

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<v Speaker 1>immigration policy and our national.

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<v Speaker 2>Security approach to appease New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 1>The changes meant that thousands of criminals who held New

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<v Speaker 1>Zealand citizenship would now be able to stay in our

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<v Speaker 1>country instead of being deported. It was an announcement Albanizi

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<v Speaker 1>made to much fanfare when he became Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 6>A Minister Adurn has certainly not been backward in raising

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<v Speaker 6>these issues. I can assure you from our very first meeting.

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<v Speaker 6>Where you have a circumstance where someone has lived their

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<v Speaker 6>entire life effectively in Australia with no connection whatsoever to

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<v Speaker 6>New Zealand, then common sense should apply and we'll act

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<v Speaker 6>as friends and we'll work through those issues in a

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<v Speaker 6>common sense.

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<v Speaker 3>What we've been seeking is common sense and the spirit

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<v Speaker 3>of friendship, and that's what Prome Minus to Albinizi has

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<v Speaker 3>spoken to today.

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<v Speaker 1>An Immigration Minister Andrew Giles boasted to refugee advocates about

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<v Speaker 1>the changes that he said would appease New Zealanders in

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<v Speaker 1>this video obtained today by rhiannon Down at The Australian.

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<v Speaker 7>One of the big issues that we have built with

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<v Speaker 7>as a government is to have regard to the ministry

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<v Speaker 7>or direction that operates in respect of cancelized region, and

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<v Speaker 7>have had close regard, particularly on the basis that discussions

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<v Speaker 7>with their friends in New Zealand about how this can

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<v Speaker 7>operate in a way that better reflects our obligation to

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<v Speaker 7>people who've spent the majority of their lives in Australia

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<v Speaker 7>as opposed to another country.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when he said there, reflects our obligation he's speaking about,

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<v Speaker 1>reflects our obligation to criminals, to criminals who don't have

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<v Speaker 1>Australian citizenship and who should be deported. This from the

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration Minister, whose job is meant to be to protect

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<v Speaker 1>the safety of Australians. But this is what happens when

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<v Speaker 1>you appoint a refugee lawyer to the position of Immigration minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Even the ABC has acknowledged that and I quote the

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<v Speaker 1>former refugee lawyer was never a natural fit for the

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<v Speaker 1>immigration portfolio.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact Albanese won't sack.

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<v Speaker 1>Him after the litany of disasters that have seen Australians

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<v Speaker 1>attacked by detainees shows a deep problem with the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister himself. As The Australian pointed out today, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>zero days since Giles's last blunder. Well, you'd want a

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<v Speaker 1>Prime minister to demand a high standard from his team,

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<v Speaker 1>but what we're seeing is Albanese's willingness to accept not

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<v Speaker 1>even mediocrity but poor performance. He's made a judgment that

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<v Speaker 1>so called stability of his front bench is more important

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<v Speaker 1>than competency, which in this case means community safety. Albanizi

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<v Speaker 1>is choosing the political outcome that is best for himself

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<v Speaker 1>and his political advantage and not putting the community first,

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<v Speaker 1>and thus this ongoing saga reflects equally poorly on Alberzi

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<v Speaker 1>himself as it does on his failure of an immigration minister.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, Former Treasurer Josh Fredenberg has said that

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<v Speaker 1>he's not going to run in Kouyong, his old seat.

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<v Speaker 2>But this idea that he shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Be allowed to run because a woman has put up

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<v Speaker 1>her hand is identity politics gone too far. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>we need more women in politics, and not just politics

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<v Speaker 1>but public life. We need women at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>companies boards and in all leadership positions.

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<v Speaker 2>One thousand percent.

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<v Speaker 1>And personally it's controversial, but I actually support gender quotas

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<v Speaker 1>I think it does fast track change. But the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that any woman should be chosen over any man, irrespective

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<v Speaker 1>of his experience or merit or talent is nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet that has been the suggestion.

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<v Speaker 8>He can make it comeback if he wants. There's a

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<v Speaker 8>number of seats that are still open for pre selection

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<v Speaker 8>of Victoria, and he should absolutely consider going for one

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<v Speaker 8>of those. But demanding that pre selections reopen in seats

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<v Speaker 8>that have already closed, where we already have candidates in

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<v Speaker 8>the field is quite frankly ludicrous. Amelia Hamer is a

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<v Speaker 8>brilliant candidate.

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<v Speaker 9>I think that there might be some Josh Friedenberg fans

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<v Speaker 9>that's got a little bit of a rash of blood

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<v Speaker 9>to the head when they saw these boundary changes. But

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<v Speaker 9>you know, quite frankly, our focus as a party should

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<v Speaker 9>be on keeping Higgins.

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<v Speaker 1>Your editor and journalist Christopher Dare wrote a brilliant and

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<v Speaker 1>cutting piece in The Nightly, and in it he said,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that Josh Fridenberg, a relatively young moderate deputy

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<v Speaker 1>leader and successful former federal treasurer, should somehow cede to

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<v Speaker 1>an inexperienced, hopeful, articulate and educated as she may be,

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<v Speaker 1>simply because she is a woman is ridiculous, he said.

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<v Speaker 1>To suggest moving aside the untested thirty one year old,

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<v Speaker 1>albeit with a great liberal name, to make way for Freedenburg,

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<v Speaker 1>would somehow be a liberal hate crime against women is absurd. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one of Fredenberg's personality traits is that he's loath to

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<v Speaker 1>upset anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a decent human being.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he wants to spend time with his family, and

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<v Speaker 1>he is making a great contribution to Australian life from

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<v Speaker 1>outside politics, as we saw with his documentary recently. But

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<v Speaker 1>also presumably he wouldn't like to be criticized for asking

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<v Speaker 1>a woman to step aside. But look at the bigger

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<v Speaker 1>picture here. Peter Darton has a massive uphill battle to

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<v Speaker 1>win the next election nineteen seats. He needs to form

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<v Speaker 1>majority government and he admits that this task would go

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<v Speaker 1>against the grain of history, even though.

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<v Speaker 10>The first term government hasn't lost since nineteen thirty one,

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<v Speaker 10>that the best outcome from a Labor Party perspective is

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<v Speaker 10>that they could form a minority government which would include

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<v Speaker 10>the Greens and the Tills and potentially, as you say,

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<v Speaker 10>Muslim independent candidates from Western Sydney or perhaps elsewhere in

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<v Speaker 10>Melbourne for example. The reality of that is that yes,

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<v Speaker 10>they would be compromised even further in terms of their stance,

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<v Speaker 10>and I think as we saw during the period of

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<v Speaker 10>the Gillard government, where there was formal compact with the Greens,

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<v Speaker 10>there was a drag to the left and I think

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<v Speaker 10>that is at odds with where most Australians are. At

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<v Speaker 10>Most Austraians, regardless of their religion or their location in

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<v Speaker 10>the country, that they want a safe environment for themselves,

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<v Speaker 10>for their kids, They want to work hard provide for

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<v Speaker 10>their family. They want a good health system, a good

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<v Speaker 10>public transport, good transport system, and they want to buy

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<v Speaker 10>a good house and make sure that their kids and

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<v Speaker 10>grandkids can enjoy more than what they've been able to enjoy.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't think it gets much more complicated than that.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was Peter Dutton on Sunday night. Well Tony

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<v Speaker 1>Abbott won fourteen seats in the landslide of twenty thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>after the Guillard Rudd era of leadership chaos. For Dutton

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<v Speaker 1>to wear nineteen seats is a massive ask for him

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<v Speaker 1>to even have a shot at wedding seats back not

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<v Speaker 1>only from labor but also the till he needs the

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<v Speaker 1>strongest possible candidate in every seat. Josh Fridenburg clearly has

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<v Speaker 1>the best chance of winning Coujong from the disastrous Monique Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that Fridenburg wouldn't run or couldn't run simply

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<v Speaker 1>because it would be ungentlemanly to ask a woman to

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<v Speaker 1>step aside because of her gender, the idea that he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't run because of identity politics, Well, this reason is

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<v Speaker 1>clearly not in Australia's national interest now. Chris Daor in

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<v Speaker 1>The Nightly urged Josh Fridenburg to have courage in politics

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<v Speaker 1>because the path to the lodge is paved with the

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<v Speaker 1>remains of those who tried and failed, all those who

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<v Speaker 1>didn't try hard enough. Christo Vherdoor writes, Josh Fridenberg needs

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<v Speaker 1>to look no further than the limp and lackluster leadership

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<v Speaker 1>ambitions of Peter Costello, a fellow Melbourne Liberal with a

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<v Speaker 1>lofty regard for his own talent, encumbered by destiny, incapacitated

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<v Speaker 1>by debilitating.

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<v Speaker 2>Desire, and at least one major personality flaw. He was

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<v Speaker 2>gutless to the.

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<v Speaker 1>Great amusement of John Howard. Costello never struck him down,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even try. Howard waited for the day it never came.

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<v Speaker 1>Angry and entitled, Costello will never live that down, spooked

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<v Speaker 1>by his own hapless brand of Hubris.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The comparison with Costello, though, does have its limits.

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<v Speaker 2>Costello is now chair.

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<v Speaker 1>Of nine and I would note the judging by Costello's

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<v Speaker 1>leadership of nine during the sexual harassment crisis at the

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<v Speaker 1>network doesn't seem like Australia missed out.

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<v Speaker 2>And much by not having him as Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 11>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Also coming up on the show tonight, how Anthony Albanese's

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<v Speaker 1>agency tasked with increasing the housing supply has spent thirty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars on executive and on consultants and executive salaries

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<v Speaker 1>without building a single home. Thirty million dollars and not

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<v Speaker 1>a single home built. This breaking news tonight. It's a farce,

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<v Speaker 1>and Pettiwog refuses to rule out recognizing a Palestinian state

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<v Speaker 1>even if Harmas still has a role governing Gaza. This

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<v Speaker 1>is surely a confusing position for a feminist, given Hamas

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<v Speaker 1>has raped girls, beheaded babies and slaughtered children in cold blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Petty Wog is quickly developing a reputation as the worst

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<v Speaker 1>foreign minister Australia has ever had. More on that with

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<v Speaker 1>my panel later, plus drugs, alcohol and holidays, the ndis

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<v Speaker 1>rots costing tax payers billions of dollars a year, and

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<v Speaker 1>in an almost comical opening statement, Anthony Fauci denies trying

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<v Speaker 1>to cover up the COVID publigue theory. We'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that with my panel in a minute. I'm a Speaker

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<v Speaker 1>of the House. Bronwin Bishop, our National MP Keith Pitt

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<v Speaker 1>joined me. Now, welcome to you both. Look, let's start

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<v Speaker 1>now with what I spoke about at the start of

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Immigration Minister Andrew Giles had to get up

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<v Speaker 1>at the start of Parliament today and say that he's

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to his New Zealand counterpart to tell him that

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<v Speaker 1>he'd make changes, changes that ALBERNIZI was so proud of

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<v Speaker 1>making in a press conference with Jacintha dern Keith, What

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<v Speaker 1>did you make of this admission in Parliament today?

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<v Speaker 12>How many more mistakes does this minister have to make? Firstly,

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<v Speaker 12>it wasn't the fault of the change of director of

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<v Speaker 12>ninety nine. Then it was the fault of direction ninety nine,

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<v Speaker 12>and then it was the fault of the department, and

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<v Speaker 12>then it was the failure of the dry and monitoring

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<v Speaker 12>that didn't exist. And now we find that it's exactly

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<v Speaker 12>what the opposition said. It looks like there was a

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<v Speaker 12>deal done with New Zealand because they demanded it and

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<v Speaker 12>the Australian government rolled over. Now, no matter what side

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<v Speaker 12>of politics you come from. There is one fundamental role

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<v Speaker 12>and that is to keep the nation and it's people safe,

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<v Speaker 12>and they have failed miserably. And I think mister Giles

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<v Speaker 12>his position is completely untenable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, bron went, you know the whole idea in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place. And this is part of the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>This was Anthony Alberesi's decision to change the immigration policy

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<v Speaker 1>to appease Jacinda r Dern, to keep more criminals in

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<v Speaker 1>the country even though they're not Australian citizens. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is it a surprise that incapitulating to the most woke

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<v Speaker 1>government that we've got in the western world, it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to end up like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course not.

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<v Speaker 13>But the problem for Albanesi is that is his problem.

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<v Speaker 13>He did it and he used a Jiles to implement it.

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<v Speaker 13>So if Giles goes, shouldn't Albanesi go also? That's his problem.

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<v Speaker 13>But here here, and there's another problem in there, of course,

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<v Speaker 13>and Keith, no doubt you started to see it or

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<v Speaker 13>the Labor Party. Indians are starting to get restless. They

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<v Speaker 13>are feeling the mess that they're in. There's no leadership,

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<v Speaker 13>there's no direction, they're not achieving anything. For the nation,

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<v Speaker 13>and as they look at the problems that are engulfing

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<v Speaker 13>the government, they're starting to look at alternate leadership options.

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<v Speaker 13>And who do you think leaked the story about a speech?

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<v Speaker 13>Right for Bill Shorten? I mean it's going to be

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<v Speaker 13>an internal hatchet job because he sees himself as being

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<v Speaker 13>the leader that should have been elected Prime minister. But

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<v Speaker 13>there are a lot of others in there who think

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<v Speaker 13>they are too. So perhaps I use an unfortunate analogy

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<v Speaker 13>in saying using the term I use to describe the

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<v Speaker 13>backbench of the Labor Party, but restless they are and

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<v Speaker 13>concerned for their own seats, and the redistribution won't be

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<v Speaker 13>doing them all favors either.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Bill Shotton is dealing with some controver your topics

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment. Of course, the speech writer three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ten thousand dollars a year for two years. Also

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<v Speaker 1>revelations at Senate Estimates last night that NDIS money is

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<v Speaker 1>being used to fund things.

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<v Speaker 2>Like drugs, alcohol and holidays.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what NDIS Head of Fraud and Integrity, John Datto

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<v Speaker 1>said last night.

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<v Speaker 11>And then you have participants where they've not understood what

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<v Speaker 11>they can and can't agree to with a provider, so

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<v Speaker 11>they're accepting things that they shouldn't be. Examples, just in

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<v Speaker 11>the last week, a twenty thousand dollars holiday, at ten

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<v Speaker 11>thousand dollars holiday, we had a participant that bought a

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<v Speaker 11>car brand new seventy three thousand dollars. I have spoken

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<v Speaker 11>to very recently a participant to would meet the provider

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<v Speaker 11>at the ATM. The provider with withdraw cash and provide

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<v Speaker 11>that cash to the participant for her to source of

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<v Speaker 11>this at substances.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, these are extraordinary revelations, Keith. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>there's a massive blowout of NDAs. I mean, it's on

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<v Speaker 1>track to be the largest component of the federal budget.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet then we hear revelations last night from the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the Integrity Unit that money.

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<v Speaker 2>Is being spent on holidays. What do you think about

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<v Speaker 2>this shary.

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<v Speaker 12>The trajectory for spending on indiis is just completely unsustainable.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, if we even thought about it or spoke

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<v Speaker 12>about it briefly when we were in government, the Labor

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<v Speaker 12>Party just tore us apart. Now what we see here

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<v Speaker 12>is this money is being wasted on things which are

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<v Speaker 12>just not necessary. Secondly, they appear to me to be illegal.

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<v Speaker 12>And thirdly, guess who's missing out. It is those individuals

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<v Speaker 12>who have the most desperate die need the ones that

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<v Speaker 12>need the support because this money is being wasted on

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<v Speaker 12>things like new cars for individuals that should be fined

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<v Speaker 12>another way to pay for them. And this is Bill

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<v Speaker 12>Shorton's issue. Not only has he got a really expensive

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<v Speaker 12>speech writer, it appears that inside the NDIS there's some

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<v Speaker 12>very expensive habits.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, most people would support an NDIS scheme,

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<v Speaker 1>but what we're seeing here is just a waste of

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayer funds.

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<v Speaker 2>Brinwin, Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 13>Look, the problem is that Bill Shorten designed it, and

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<v Speaker 13>he has to fix it because what he left was

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<v Speaker 13>really badly designed. Look, the sorts of problems that have

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<v Speaker 13>to be looked at seriously are You will hear people

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<v Speaker 13>who were not on before the NDIS existed were paying

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<v Speaker 13>save for particular service, say one hundred and twenty dollars

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<v Speaker 13>for that service. As soon as the NDIS came in,

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<v Speaker 13>they will paying two hundred and fifty dollars for the

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<v Speaker 13>same service. And that's happened right across the board. So

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<v Speaker 13>there are a lot of people out there making a

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<v Speaker 13>lot of money out of the NDIS, and they have

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<v Speaker 13>to start to look at caps, they have to start

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<v Speaker 13>to look at redesigning it altogether. Now Bill shortened it

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<v Speaker 13>was his design. It's up to him to fix it.

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<v Speaker 13>But equally I can say, I mean, I've worked all

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<v Speaker 13>my life helping in various charities. And I have a

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<v Speaker 13>particular friend who is very badly affected by cerebral palsy,

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<v Speaker 13>but she's got a great brain, and she said that

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<v Speaker 13>the NDIS has made dramatic change in her life, and

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<v Speaker 13>I can see it in her. She can speak now

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<v Speaker 13>more clearly. She has someone with her who's she's got

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<v Speaker 13>a lot more. It's a lot of good, but when

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<v Speaker 13>you hear the stories that we're hearing, it makes it

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<v Speaker 13>hard on those people. It's unfair for those people for

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<v Speaker 13>whom it was really to be desired. Plus, the states

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<v Speaker 13>have now it totally pulled out of delivering disability services

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<v Speaker 13>and said federal government, it's your problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a lot a lot of work there and

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<v Speaker 2>to a very.

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<v Speaker 13>Expensive speech writer, it's not going to fix it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the coalition says it works out to something

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<v Speaker 1>like twenty two thousand dollars speech.

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<v Speaker 2>You hope that they are good speeches.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Chris Bowen has declared that the next federal election

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<v Speaker 1>will be a referendum on nuclear power. Well, it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a referendum on cost of living, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that. But nonetheless, Chris Bowen writes in The Australian

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<v Speaker 1>that pro nuclear facts are being asserted with confidence that

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<v Speaker 1>beaur little relationship to reality. Keith, this is your one

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<v Speaker 1>of your areas of expertise.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your response to Chris Bowen?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, you should find Chris Balen's piece in the OS.

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<v Speaker 12>I think from memory it was on the top right.

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<v Speaker 12>Ignore it and move.

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<v Speaker 4>To the bottom left.

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<v Speaker 12>There's a piece there from Jerdah Sloan and it is

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<v Speaker 12>absolutely on the money. It is a ridiculous proposition from labor.

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<v Speaker 12>The idea that we can run this country on intermittent

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<v Speaker 12>supply is just nonsense, and nuclear provides an option that works.

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<v Speaker 12>It works around the world, it's used in other places.

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<v Speaker 12>But Chris bon seems to have some sort of ideological

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<v Speaker 12>opposition unless it's in a submarine. So how is it

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<v Speaker 12>possible for labor to argue against nuclear on but for

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<v Speaker 12>nuclear in submarines, against nuclear everywhere else? Because apparently you'll

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<v Speaker 12>get three odd fish that you say on The Simpsons,

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<v Speaker 12>but not in a nuclear submarine which will get every

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<v Speaker 12>major port in the country. It's a ridiculous proposition, mister Bowd.

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<v Speaker 12>He should just wake up to himself, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it is going to be an issue at the election,

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<v Speaker 1>but probably not in the top five, i'd say. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Anthony Fauci, we've covered him a lot on this program.

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<v Speaker 1>He faced quite a sensational grilling at Congress today. To

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<v Speaker 1>hearing he denied allegations that he covered up the theory

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<v Speaker 1>that COVID nineteen may have leaked from a laboratory in Wuhan.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a look at how this unfolded.

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<v Speaker 14>I don't think the concept of there being a lab

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<v Speaker 14>leak is inherently a conspiracy theory. What is conspiracy is

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<v Speaker 14>the kind of distortions of that particular subject, like it

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<v Speaker 14>was a lab leak, and I was parachuted into the CIA,

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<v Speaker 14>like Jason Bourne and told the CIA that they should

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<v Speaker 14>really not be talking about a lable.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you now, Bronwin.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be impossible in the space of time we

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<v Speaker 1>have here to recap my investigative journalism that I've done

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<v Speaker 1>in this area, but leedless to say, there were conversations

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<v Speaker 1>and I've interviewed the other health official on camera that

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Fauci had the conversations with where they did decide

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<v Speaker 1>to publicly downplay the lablique theory. There's also email evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that points to this because they wanted cooperation from China.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Another reason is that Anthony Fauchi's agency was actually funding

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<v Speaker 1>the gain of function research in Wuhan. An emails show

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<v Speaker 1>that he was worried he may have funded the research

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<v Speaker 1>that led to the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, first, let's say your book was a very important

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<v Speaker 13>part in opening up the lies that have been told

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<v Speaker 13>during COVID, and any cold eyed view of what happened

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<v Speaker 13>is clearly came out of the lab. And clearly when

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<v Speaker 13>we say increasing the function, we're talking about making it

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<v Speaker 13>more lethal. That's what That's what was happening. And then,

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<v Speaker 13>for some reason, against all the preparations this country had made,

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<v Speaker 13>we followed the Chinese model of lockdown, as has happened

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<v Speaker 13>in so many other countries. So we desperately need his testimony.

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<v Speaker 13>There adds to the conviction I have and many others have,

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<v Speaker 13>that we need a proper royal commission here into what

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<v Speaker 13>happened here, and the research that you did and made

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<v Speaker 13>public made people understand that there was something rotten going

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<v Speaker 13>on in this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, my issue with those grillings, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>excellent to be able to get Anthony Fauci in the

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<v Speaker 1>stand and ask questions, but my issue with those grillings,

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<v Speaker 1>and most of them are the same in the US Congress,

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<v Speaker 1>is that it's all about the particular congress men or

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<v Speaker 1>women you know, wanting to go viral on the internet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about their question rather than actually eliciting real answers

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<v Speaker 1>from the person they're questioning. In this case Anthony Fauchier.

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<v Speaker 1>Wish journalists would be able to.

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<v Speaker 2>Do that instead.

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<v Speaker 1>Roman Bishop Keith Pitt. Thank you both very much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining me. Now, another big story today, Labor is planning

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<v Speaker 1>to expand the eligibility criteria to allow foreign citizens to

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<v Speaker 1>join our Defense FOSS. This is apparently to make up

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<v Speaker 1>for a lack of recruits. No one wants to join

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<v Speaker 1>the eightf anymore. New Zealanders would be the first foreigners

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to join, and then there could be

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<v Speaker 1>from January next year other countries as well. There's been

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<v Speaker 1>mixed messaging from Labour today about exactly who will be

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<v Speaker 1>eligible to join our defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Foss have a look.

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<v Speaker 15>As of the first of July, we will be enabling

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<v Speaker 15>New Zealand citizens who have been permanent residents of our

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<v Speaker 15>country for.

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<v Speaker 10>At least a year.

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<v Speaker 15>We will be allowing those people to join our defense.

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<v Speaker 13>Folts.

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<v Speaker 10>It goes well beyond New Zealand citizens, as you will know,

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<v Speaker 10>and as broader application. Perhaps the Minister could provide us

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<v Speaker 10>with the actual detail.

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<v Speaker 15>What we learn, mister Speaker, from the question that has

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<v Speaker 15>been asked by the Shadow Minister and from the interjection

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<v Speaker 15>of the Leader of the Opposition now, is there are

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<v Speaker 15>no bounds that they won't cross in order to run

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<v Speaker 15>a scare campaign and blow any single whistle that they

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<v Speaker 15>can find.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty joins me. Now, Andrew, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for your time. This is a big story today,

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<v Speaker 1>your Shadow Defense What are your concerns about Labour's policy, Charry?

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<v Speaker 16>This is a half baked, ham fisted policy. It was

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<v Speaker 16>all over the place today. You had three separate ministers

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<v Speaker 16>giving different information. There was no clarity around it, and

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<v Speaker 16>it wasn't until this afternoon where they started to give

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<v Speaker 16>us some clarity, but even so there are huge questions

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<v Speaker 16>about how this will operate. New Zealanders can become citizens

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<v Speaker 16>through the ADF from July one, and then January one,

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<v Speaker 16>permanent residents from any country can join our ADF and

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<v Speaker 16>then within ninety days be given citizenship. This is the

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<v Speaker 16>biggest change to defense recruiting since federation, and the Australian

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<v Speaker 16>people deserve to know how this will be done, what

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<v Speaker 16>security processes will be followed, what return of service obligations

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<v Speaker 16>will be imposed on people, And we need to know

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<v Speaker 16>because these are the people we are entrusting to defend us,

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<v Speaker 16>the most difficult and sacred task.

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<v Speaker 4>We can ask of people who serve in our uniform.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what are your specific concerns about having foreigners and

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<v Speaker 1>they might be from five ised countries like minded nations,

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<v Speaker 1>what are your concerns about foreigners joining the ADF.

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<v Speaker 16>There's a number of reasons why we are concerned. The

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<v Speaker 16>first is Director General of AS Mike Burgess has said

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<v Speaker 16>numerous times over the last few years that espionage and

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<v Speaker 16>foreign interference is at unprecedented levels in this country, exceeding

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<v Speaker 16>that of the Cold War, and we are about to

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<v Speaker 16>attract a lot more espionage and foreign interference because of

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<v Speaker 16>what we're embarking on with Orcus. And so we need

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<v Speaker 16>to know that the people joining our defense Force are

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<v Speaker 16>people who believe in Australia, who uphold our values, and

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<v Speaker 16>who are working in our best interests. And so this

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<v Speaker 16>will impose a big cost in terms of security making

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<v Speaker 16>sure that people who join the ADF are legitimate and

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<v Speaker 16>it requires us to verify their backgrounds. And so this

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<v Speaker 16>is why we need more than just a drop to

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<v Speaker 16>the media this morning. We actually need a debate. We

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<v Speaker 16>need a discussion, and they need to explain how they're

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<v Speaker 16>going to roll this out. They've done none of that.

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<v Speaker 16>They've absolutely done none of that, and it really is

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<v Speaker 16>shameful the way they're just treating this as just another

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<v Speaker 16>run in the mill policy poorly executed.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been reports that you personally suggested perhaps have

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<v Speaker 1>some of our allies join the ADF.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this correct? And do you think you will reject

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<v Speaker 2>Labour's policy?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure?

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<v Speaker 16>Yes, Look you know I've got an open mind about

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<v Speaker 16>these things. And we have a recruiting and retention crisis, Sharry.

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<v Speaker 16>We're five thousand people short in the ADF and we're

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<v Speaker 16>going backwards because we're not hitting our recruiting targets every

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<v Speaker 16>year and we're losing people every year. So I'm open

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<v Speaker 16>minded about how we boost our ADF numbers.

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<v Speaker 4>We already do lateral transfers.

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<v Speaker 16>In twenty twenty one, Sharry I board a Collins class submarine.

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<v Speaker 16>The captain of the boat was a Canadian officer who

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<v Speaker 16>transferred from Canada. So we already do lateral transfers with

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<v Speaker 16>five eysed nations, and I'm open minded about five eyed

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<v Speaker 16>countries as well joining the ADF, as long as they

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<v Speaker 16>meet all.

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<v Speaker 4>The stringent security requirements.

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<v Speaker 16>But the government has gone far beyond that, and they're

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<v Speaker 16>suggesting that we'll take anyone from anywhere in this world,

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<v Speaker 16>and I think that has a huge bit clear.

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<v Speaker 1>You would support it if it was limited to five

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<v Speaker 1>yes countries.

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<v Speaker 16>Potentially. This is what we're going to explore tomorrow in estimates.

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<v Speaker 16>This is what we're going to explore. We're going to

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<v Speaker 16>ask questions of the government and find out exactly how

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<v Speaker 16>they're going to roll this policy out.

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<v Speaker 4>We're doing our due diligence. Chrry.

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<v Speaker 16>You never rush into these things, and like I said,

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<v Speaker 16>I've got an open mind but the way they've operated today,

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<v Speaker 16>the way they've announced this, does not fill me with confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, there's been a lot of criticism of defense leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one very well known example the suggestion that

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<v Speaker 1>metals should be returned even though the soldiers had nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with any allegations of war crimes. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that these sort of issues have had an impact

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<v Speaker 1>on recruiting levels?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 16>I think the ADF has had a huge morale problem

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<v Speaker 16>for some years now, a political correctness, a sense of

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<v Speaker 16>procedural fairness not being upheld. There's a range of reasons

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<v Speaker 16>why morale is low. But under this lab government, under

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<v Speaker 16>alb and Easy government, we've seen Army slashed in terms

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<v Speaker 16>of funding and capability. And our diggers aren't stupid. They

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<v Speaker 16>know when the government doesn't believe in the mission and

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<v Speaker 16>they're seeing that with the cuts to capability. So there's

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<v Speaker 16>a number of reasons why morale is low and our

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<v Speaker 16>task is to get it back up and get our

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<v Speaker 16>men and women believing in the mission.

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew, there's also the fact that Prime Minister failed to

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<v Speaker 1>stand up for our defense personnel when they've been injured

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<v Speaker 1>or nearly injured in a couple of recent incidents with

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese. I mean, you know, on both occasions the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister said.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd raised it at the highest levels.

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<v Speaker 1>In the one instance he saw the Chinese president, she

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<v Speaker 1>personally didn't raise it. The next there were no count

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<v Speaker 1>There were no ministerial conversations at all. Again, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think this where the Prime Minister can't defend even verbally,

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<v Speaker 1>people who are literally putting their lives on the line

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<v Speaker 1>for our country. Would this also act as a disincentive

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<v Speaker 1>joining the ADF?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 16>I think our national leadership has to be as tough

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<v Speaker 16>as the men and women who take the risks on

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<v Speaker 16>our behalf. And we saw our divers experience the sonar

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<v Speaker 16>attack from the Chinese destroyer last year. We saw that

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<v Speaker 16>Navy Seahawk have flares fired at it by a Chinese fighter.

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<v Speaker 16>On both occasions, the Prime Minister did not pick up

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<v Speaker 16>the phone and go into bat for those ADF personnel.

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<v Speaker 16>And that sends a signal to every single person in

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<v Speaker 16>uniform that our Prime minister isn't making that a priority.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that has to have an impact on morale.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Andrew Hasty, thank you very much for your

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<v Speaker 1>time this evening. We've got a lot more coming up

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<v Speaker 1>on the show tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to look at.

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<v Speaker 1>Pennywong's outrageous comments about Hamas, plus local companies say they're

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<v Speaker 1>being hurt by labours Free for All class action laws.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Jane Hume would join me to discuss.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Australian businesses are being targeted by international law firms with

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<v Speaker 1>major class action lawsuits. In one example, a UK law

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<v Speaker 1>firm Pogast Goodhead has started a seventy billion dollar class

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<v Speaker 1>action against mining giant BHP after twenty fifteen dam burst

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<v Speaker 1>causing a giant mud slide in southern in southeastern Brazil,

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<v Speaker 1>killing nineteen people.

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<v Speaker 2>The class action comes.

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<v Speaker 1>As BHP spent more than eight billion dollars in an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to rebuild affected communities. But it doesn't end with BHP.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the founders of this fom, Thomas Goodhead, told

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC that they would keep pursuing Australian companies for

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<v Speaker 1>environmental crimes.

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<v Speaker 17>Do you plan to launch new claims against Australian corporations?

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<v Speaker 18>Yes, I mean it's something that we've been studying a

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<v Speaker 18>number of cases. I mean we were contacted, I was

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<v Speaker 18>contacted a couple of years back by communities in Papua

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<v Speaker 18>New Guinea. Until these companies stop committing environmental crimes, then

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<v Speaker 18>there's a role for firms such as mine to be

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<v Speaker 18>seeking to hold them to account.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Australian Financial Review talks about the firm's explicit

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<v Speaker 1>intent to target local multinational companies by investing their time

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<v Speaker 1>in high return class actions, which can be worth hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of millions of dollars. The coalition says the laws around

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<v Speaker 1>class actions need to be tightened to protect Australian businesses

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<v Speaker 1>or to discuss im Joined now by Shadow Finance Minister

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<v Speaker 1>Jane Hume, Jane, welcome to the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, we've seen that this law.

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<v Speaker 1>Firm is currently going head to head with BHP. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you think this is a case that shouldn't be pursued.

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<v Speaker 9>This is a problem that's been going on for a

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<v Speaker 9>while in Australia, Sherry, and it's been going on because

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<v Speaker 9>of loose regulations, light to touch regulations around class actions.

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<v Speaker 9>But I'll say this out on the outs said, I'm

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<v Speaker 9>no lawyer. I've never worked in a law firm, but

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<v Speaker 9>I have worked at a fund management at a fund manager,

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<v Speaker 9>and I know that fund manager will always go to

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<v Speaker 9>where the money is. So, of course, these large overseas firms,

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<v Speaker 9>backed by large overseas fund managers are now coming to

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<v Speaker 9>Australia having identified that there is money to be made

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<v Speaker 9>here through waging warfare against the ASX. They are essentially

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<v Speaker 9>profiting from other people's misery, using our justice system, clogging

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<v Speaker 9>up our courts, delivering very little for those that are

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<v Speaker 9>parties to the class action, and more importantly, sending that

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<v Speaker 9>money offshore overseas to big law firms and big fund managers.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're being quite explicit about it.

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<v Speaker 9>They're even boasting about it on social media, and that

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<v Speaker 9>is unacceptable.

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<v Speaker 2>So how is this a political issue? You know, what

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<v Speaker 2>laws do you think need to be tighted?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, the number of class action lawsuits in Australia now

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<v Speaker 9>is out of control. There were fifty three new class

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<v Speaker 9>action lawsuits just last year alone. That's a two hundred

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<v Speaker 9>percent rise on ten years ago. Now, of those new

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<v Speaker 9>class action lawsuits, a large number were run by just

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<v Speaker 9>one firm, just one firm, and that was Marics Blackburn.

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<v Speaker 9>Now Morris Blackburn is also responsible for six members of

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<v Speaker 9>the ALP, Stephen Jones, Mark Drefus, the Attorney General Murray Watt,

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<v Speaker 9>and three others that are not on the front bench.

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<v Speaker 9>So you can see how this one firm that what

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<v Speaker 9>do you mean they're responsible?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean they're responsible for those labor politicians.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, those labor politicians have worked for Marris Blackburn and

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<v Speaker 9>before they entered parliament. And indeed Marics Blackburn has now

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<v Speaker 9>delivered two new Fair Work commissioners just in the last

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<v Speaker 9>twelve months alone, so you can see why this is

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<v Speaker 9>a favored firm of the Labor Party. The Labor Party

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<v Speaker 9>has no incentive whatsoever to reform this space. Moreover, Marics

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<v Speaker 9>Blackburn has been responsible for around one and a half

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<v Speaker 9>I think many will be two and a half nearly

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<v Speaker 9>two and a half million dollars worth of donations to

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<v Speaker 9>the Labor Party since two thousand and nineteen, So you

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<v Speaker 9>can see this very cozy relationship between class action lawyers

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<v Speaker 9>in Australia and.

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<v Speaker 2>The Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 9>The worst part of this, though, sharing is that these firms,

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<v Speaker 9>whether they be overseas firms or Australian firms, are clogging

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<v Speaker 9>up our court system. They're grinding our businesses to hold,

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<v Speaker 9>They're costing shareholders, they're costing tax payers and essentially they're

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<v Speaker 9>profiting out of our justice system.

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<v Speaker 2>That's despicable.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Jane, just before you go, you made some comments

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<v Speaker 1>relating to Josh Friedenberg in the seat of coup Yong.

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<v Speaker 1>I spoke about this issue at the start of the

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<v Speaker 1>program and said that, you know, I'm all for I

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<v Speaker 1>support gender quotas, but the idea that an untested thirty

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<v Speaker 1>one year old can't be asked to stand aside for

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<v Speaker 1>the former Treasurer of Australia should he decide to contest

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<v Speaker 1>his seat again, that's absurd.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, Sherry, I think you've missed the point here, which

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<v Speaker 9>is that that's a decision for the Liberal Party in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 9>We desperately wanted Josh to come back. We begged him

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<v Speaker 9>to come back, and he chose not to contest that

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<v Speaker 9>preselection Emilia Hamer, who is a highly qualified.

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<v Speaker 2>Young but he's open to change his mind.

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<v Speaker 1>The preselections could reopen if there is a redistribution. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea that he's been shut down and told that he

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<v Speaker 1>can't even consider this because there's a female standing, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>this pure identity politics.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think that that's what he's been told. I

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<v Speaker 9>think that he has if he has been told, and

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<v Speaker 9>I haven't spoken to Josh, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying be told privately.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that is the message that's emerged publicly by

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<v Speaker 1>you and some others.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think that that was the message that I delivered, Sharry.

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<v Speaker 9>In fact, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. The message that

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<v Speaker 9>I delivered was that you can't reopen a pre selection

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<v Speaker 9>based on boundaries that are draft. Now, when those boundaries

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<v Speaker 9>become confirmed, well then that's something for the party to consider.

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<v Speaker 1>But you'd be open to reopening the pre selections. You'd

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<v Speaker 1>be opening having an untested thirty one year old stand

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<v Speaker 1>aside and having the former treasurer re enter Parliament again.

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<v Speaker 9>It's a decision for the Liberal Party. It's not a

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<v Speaker 9>decision for Jane Hume. What I would say, though, is

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<v Speaker 9>that Emilia Hamer contested that pre selection against three other people,

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<v Speaker 9>one of whom was akc, one of whom was a surgeon,

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<v Speaker 9>the other with whom was a fund manager. It was

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<v Speaker 9>a hard fought pre selection and she won it fair

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<v Speaker 9>and square. The idea that you would then step aside

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<v Speaker 9>is a big deal. She's been campaigning for very successfully

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.440
<v Speaker 9>for a number of months now. She's doing a great job.

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<v Speaker 9>So I think that there is another side to the coin.

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<v Speaker 9>We would love Josh to come back. We've been saying

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<v Speaker 9>that for my but he chose not to. He chose

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<v Speaker 9>not to. Now, if there is changes to the boundaries

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<v Speaker 9>that would be significant enough to reopen those preselections, that's

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<v Speaker 9>a decision for the Victorian Party, but not until the

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<v Speaker 9>boundaries are confirmed. In the past, draft boundaries have changed

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<v Speaker 9>quite significantly to the or final boundaries have changed quite

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<v Speaker 9>significantly to final to draft boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and still an open question the seat of Higgins.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're saying it's still an open question of Higgins.

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<v Speaker 1>Depending on the final redistribution boundaries, you might still reopen.

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<v Speaker 2>The pre selection process are change and that.

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<v Speaker 9>May well be a chance. But I don't know when

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<v Speaker 9>those draft boundaries will be confirmed. It could be as

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<v Speaker 9>late as October, and we could be facing an election

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<v Speaker 9>as soon as November. It could be as soon as August,

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<v Speaker 9>and frankly, if the economic outlook is as bad as

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<v Speaker 9>it seems to be is we've discovered in estimates, it

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<v Speaker 9>may well be sooner rather than later.

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<v Speaker 2>We're out of time. Jane Hume, thank you. Very much

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>The Prime Minister has made clear though that he does

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<v Speaker 1>intend to serve the full term, which is until next year.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>Pennywong refuses to rule out recognizing a Palestinian state even

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<v Speaker 1>if her Musk still has a governing role in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus the eye watering amount housing Australia has spent on

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<v Speaker 1>consultants without building a single poem.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned, welcome back well.

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<v Speaker 1>In an alarming development, Foreign Minister Pennywong would not unequivocally

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:36.760
<v Speaker 1>rule out Australia's support for Palestinian state even if Hermas

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:40.680
<v Speaker 1>retained a governance role in Gaza. The Foreign Minister said

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<v Speaker 1>this insenate estimates.

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<v Speaker 3>So when you say there is no role for Hermas

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<v Speaker 3>in a future Palestinian state, that's what I mean. So

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<v Speaker 3>there will be no recognition by Australia if Hermas remains

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<v Speaker 3>in any position of governance.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to be drawn into.

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<v Speaker 17>Questions of detail around negotiations around which we are not

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<v Speaker 17>Party two.

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<v Speaker 1>She also refused to say whether the decision to support

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<v Speaker 1>the UN motion to recognize the Palestinian State had been

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<v Speaker 1>through cabinet.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a reason she couldn't say that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because, as I exclusively revealed at the time, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a captain's call by Anthony Albanesi. The PM made

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<v Speaker 1>the final decision on that it should hardly come as

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<v Speaker 1>a surprise, seeing as he has been a pro Palestinian

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<v Speaker 1>activist since his very early days in Parliament. Here was

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Alberesi yelling into a megaphone during the Second into

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<v Speaker 1>Fada when there were suicide bombings killing bus loads of

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<v Speaker 1>innocent civilians in Israel at the time.

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<v Speaker 13>Israel tru.

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<v Speaker 1>Ing well, he was an MP at the time. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a morally corrupt government led by a Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>who supported Palestinians during the Second into Fada and a

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<v Speaker 1>foreign minister who may support recognition of a Palestinian state

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<v Speaker 1>even if Hamas is still in control. Let's bring in

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<v Speaker 1>tonight's panel, Sky News host Kayler Bond and Sky News

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<v Speaker 1>contributor Sam Crosby. Cayleb Pennywong is the worst foreign minister

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<v Speaker 1>Australia has ever had.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think I mean?

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<v Speaker 5>This is so weak, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 19>You?

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<v Speaker 9>Head?

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<v Speaker 5>Last week, the Prime Minister on Josh Frodenberg's documentary on

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<v Speaker 5>anti Semitism, saying all the right things, and if you

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<v Speaker 5>had not heard a word that had come out of

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<v Speaker 5>his mouth till that point, and you hadn't heard a

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<v Speaker 5>word that had come out of Penny Wong's mouth until

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<v Speaker 5>that point, you might have come away from it thinking, Gee,

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<v Speaker 5>where's this Prime minister's gang ho on all this anti

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<v Speaker 5>semitism stuff. He agrees that it's a real problem and

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<v Speaker 5>something should be done about it, but we know that

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<v Speaker 5>this government has flipped on this issue more than a

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<v Speaker 5>kid working on the burger line at McDonald's. One minute,

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<v Speaker 5>they're sucking up and saying, yes, yes, anti Semitism is

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<v Speaker 5>a problem. Next minute you have us over at the

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<v Speaker 5>UN agreeing that there should be a road to statehood

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<v Speaker 5>for Palestine, and then the Foreign Minister saying this week,

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<v Speaker 5>sure you know that there may be a way that

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<v Speaker 5>there could be a Palestinian state recognized by Australia with

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<v Speaker 5>Hamas still in power. The statement she made there that

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<v Speaker 5>you showed that, oh, I'm not going to get bogged

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<v Speaker 5>down in the detail of negotiations to which we are

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<v Speaker 5>not party. That wasn't the question. The question was whether

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<v Speaker 5>Australia would give recognition to a Palestinian state. If Hamas

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<v Speaker 5>still had a life of power. The answer to that

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<v Speaker 5>should take abou zero point five of a second to

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<v Speaker 5>come up with, and it's no. We're all committed if

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<v Speaker 5>we believe it, We're all committed to getting rid of

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<v Speaker 5>Hamas for a two state solution. There is no two

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<v Speaker 5>state solution with Hamas still in.

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<v Speaker 2>Power, Well said, Caleb Well said. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In a breaking news story on The Australian, Simon Benson,

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<v Speaker 1>the Political editor, reports that Housing Australia has spent thirty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars on consultants and executive salaries without building a

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<v Speaker 1>single home. He writes at the agency task with delivering

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Albanese's ten billion dollar affordable housing fund for low

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<v Speaker 1>income families paid more than twenty four million to external

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<v Speaker 1>consultants and six million in annual executive salaries last year

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<v Speaker 1>despite not having yet delivered a single completed house under

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<v Speaker 1>the scheme. Sam Crosby, you work with homeless people. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a housing prices. This is an outrage.

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<v Speaker 19>It's hard to defend, Shari, It's hard to defend. And

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<v Speaker 19>I say that, yes, obviously I work at Buddy's and yes,

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<v Speaker 19>obviously I'm the husband of the new South Wales Housing Minister.

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<v Speaker 19>So I'm a little bit conflicted here, but I think

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<v Speaker 19>it's hard for any federal government to defend setting up

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<v Speaker 19>a thirty million dollar bureaucracy, the vast majority of which

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<v Speaker 19>is spent with external consultants. You know, each of the

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<v Speaker 19>states have their own housing bodies already set up, already

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<v Speaker 19>ready to go, already delivering thousands of units and dwellings

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<v Speaker 19>each year and homes each year. So I just don't

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<v Speaker 19>know why you wouldn't have a very small team of

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<v Speaker 19>economists dividing up the money according to whatever the formula

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<v Speaker 19>is and getting the money out the door into the community.

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<v Speaker 2>Sam.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the city in Sydney the other weekend

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw a homeless man sitting on against a building.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a little girl, maybe about six, sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>his lap.

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<v Speaker 2>It was absolutely devastating.

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<v Speaker 1>How common is this that children are now out of housing?

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<v Speaker 19>Look, thankfully, not that common at all. There are many,

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<v Speaker 19>many programs that exist to ensure that no one has

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<v Speaker 19>to be homeless for any time. There are phone numbers

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<v Speaker 19>that you can call state government phone numbers. There are

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<v Speaker 19>housing providers like Saint Vincentabule that will ensure anyone, especially children,

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<v Speaker 19>especially children can get a house in a bed tonight.

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<v Speaker 19>If you're out you can call you know and get

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<v Speaker 19>seen too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Caleb. I'm sorry we only got to

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<v Speaker 2>you once tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>Your comment was worth its weight in gold, though, and

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb will see you back at ten o'clock tonight. Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Crosby Caleb on, thank you both very much for your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now after the break, Just Center will join me on

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<v Speaker 1>why she says Australia needs major reform. Stay tuned, Just

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<v Speaker 1>Enterprice Live, welcome back. Well, let's bring in now Shadow

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous Australians, miniesot Just Enterprise, who is leading call for.

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<v Speaker 2>Reform of Native title. Great to see you. What needs

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<v Speaker 2>to change here?

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<v Speaker 17>Look in terms of Native title, while it was well

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<v Speaker 17>intended and it's all very nice to be able to

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<v Speaker 17>have access to your land as a traditional owner to

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<v Speaker 17>fish and hunt, it was very narrow in terms of

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<v Speaker 17>what else Indigenous Australians could do so ideas such as

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<v Speaker 17>economic development, economic independence, the opportunity to generate wealth from

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<v Speaker 17>one's own land, it was very limited scope to be

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<v Speaker 17>able to do that to begin with, and I think

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<v Speaker 17>it's why we have some of our most marginalized Indigenous

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<v Speaker 17>Australians exist in you know, in remote places like the

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<v Speaker 17>Northern Territory. So I truly believe when inform when it

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<v Speaker 17>comes to Native title and in terms of the Northern Territory,

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<v Speaker 17>the Land Rights Act is also is requiring reform as

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<v Speaker 17>well to provide these opportunities that are really needed for

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<v Speaker 17>many of our most marginalized.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you started this conversation yet with Linda Bernie, your

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<v Speaker 1>counterpart in the Albanezy government.

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<v Speaker 17>Well, look, I've had these conversations certainly with my counterparts

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<v Speaker 17>within the Senate, with Melanderry McCarthy. I've made it very

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<v Speaker 17>known publicly that these are issues, of course that I

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<v Speaker 17>think require reform. I've always said that traditional owners, you know,

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<v Speaker 17>well the land rich and dirt poor and need to

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<v Speaker 17>be able to be job creators in their own right

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<v Speaker 17>on country instead of continually but being dependent on well

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<v Speaker 17>found on government to go out and create supposed jobs

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<v Speaker 17>out in communities, but you know, effectively land locked in

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<v Speaker 17>how we can and cannot use our land.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you think the government is open to having

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation and looking at reforms working with you to

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<v Speaker 1>do so.

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<v Speaker 17>Look, I welcome the fact that the government has decided

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<v Speaker 17>to put five hundred thousand dollars toward reviewing native title itself.

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<v Speaker 17>I would happily work with the government toward that, and

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<v Speaker 17>I would also encourage them to take a really good

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<v Speaker 17>look at the Land Rights Act within the Northern Territory

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<v Speaker 17>as well. I know that many traditional owners across the

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<v Speaker 17>country feel it's time that we looked at how native

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<v Speaker 17>title is or isn't working to its best, to its

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<v Speaker 17>best for the opportunities for traditional owners.

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<v Speaker 1>An important conversation to have Disne Enterprise. Always love having

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<v Speaker 1>you on the show. Thank you for your time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I reckon Arry would probably pick you as his Prime minister.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's poor here's Paul Murray.

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<v Speaker 4>Now m