WEBVTT - #2138 The Architect of Your Life - Bobby Cappuccio

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<v Speaker 1>I good a team. It's Harps and Bobby. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>another installment the You Project. It's beautiful. It's beautiful, warm

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<v Speaker 1>day here in Melbos. It's Thursday, but from tomorrow it

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<v Speaker 1>turns cold. It seems like winter is in bound. What's

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<v Speaker 1>the temperature over in San Diego, Robert?

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe I haven't been outside for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's about fifteen degrees right now. Yeah, Well, we're.

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<v Speaker 1>On the We're heading towards the cool. You're heading towards

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<v Speaker 1>the warm, although California is always recently warm. How have

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<v Speaker 1>you been? What is up? What is new? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>How is the GLW the good Lady Wife? How is work?

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<v Speaker 1>Give us a snapshot of you before we dive into

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<v Speaker 1>today's topic without diving.

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<v Speaker 2>Into it in too much detail. Just got a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of plates spinning right now. Mmm, so yeah, you just go.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you better with a small to do list or

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<v Speaker 1>a big to do list? Are you happier? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>perform better when there's a lot on that list or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe somewhere between a lot and a little somewhere between?

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<v Speaker 1>I think like it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>With this vast assortment of tasks to complete, what significant projects,

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<v Speaker 2>like when my head's buried in something that requires a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of creativity and focus and there's not a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of uh, there's not a lot of disruption. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>do very well when like like moving house and things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. That is a massive distractor for me. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if everything everything's stable, when I'm doing things that I

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<v Speaker 2>could focus, I could create, you know, I could kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like lose myself in that. That's where I thrive.

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<v Speaker 1>It's trying to It's funny because there's no particular model

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<v Speaker 1>or no particular protocol or whatever that will suit everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Like some people live in this place. They

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<v Speaker 1>hate it. Some people love it. Some people do that job,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's same environment with the same boss, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't dig it. It's not for them. Someone else it's

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<v Speaker 1>their happy place. And I think a lot, both internally

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<v Speaker 1>and also out loud about this idea of life design

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<v Speaker 1>and creating a life, the totality of all the bits

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<v Speaker 1>and pieces of the craigjigs, or you know, all the

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<v Speaker 1>Craigs life jigs, or all the bits and pieces that

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<v Speaker 1>influence you know, my experiences and you know my productivity

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<v Speaker 1>and my relationships and my finances and where I live

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<v Speaker 1>and all of those things, and how there's no set formula.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, there's probably a different formula when you're twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five than when you're fifty, I guess. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>two conversations yesterday, and I've had thousands over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>but two that same essentially the same thing to happen

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<v Speaker 1>to be too ladies. But it could have easily just

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<v Speaker 1>as easily been two blokes, one on zoom, one face

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<v Speaker 1>to face. And the thing was essentially, I've I everything

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<v Speaker 1>that I have is nice. It's like it's okay, my

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<v Speaker 1>life is not bad. I've got enough of this and

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<v Speaker 1>enough of that. But in the mid but there's no

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<v Speaker 1>there's no joy, there's no kind of deep meaning. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like I really have a purpose. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure if I even want to live in the area

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, all of these kind of life design

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts and questions. And one lady said that, the other

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<v Speaker 1>lady said, I, I don't love my job pays me

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<v Speaker 1>quite well, I don't love it. I want to do

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<v Speaker 1>something else, but I don't know what the something else is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So the whole idea of like I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>just my thought. I want your comment, Terry. I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people kind of live a version of

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<v Speaker 1>groundhog Day in that they do a lot today of

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<v Speaker 1>what they did yesterday, even if yesterday wasn't particularly productive

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<v Speaker 1>or effective or joyful. You know, because we're in certain psychological, emotional,

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<v Speaker 1>and behavioral grooves. We just do this this way because

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<v Speaker 1>this is what we did the last two thousand days

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<v Speaker 1>of our lives. Sounds like a series. So then trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find a level of awareness, self awareness, situational awareness,

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<v Speaker 1>all the awarenesses in the middle of the groundhog danis

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<v Speaker 1>of me and to think, all right, well, if I

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<v Speaker 1>continue on my current trajectory, good or bad, what's my

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<v Speaker 1>life going to be like when I'm you know, sixty

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<v Speaker 1>or fifty five or fifty or whatever the case is

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<v Speaker 1>for the individual, Like, if I keep doing what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing effectively the way that I'm doing it, in the

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<v Speaker 1>place that I'm doing it, in the body that i'm

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<v Speaker 1>doing it, in the relationship that I'm doing it, in

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<v Speaker 1>the financials, you know, what's what's that going to look like?

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<v Speaker 1>And does that make me happy or sad? So I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about the nuts and bolts of zooming

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<v Speaker 1>back a little bit into the macro of life design

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<v Speaker 1>and all the moving pieces. And before we get into it, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say, this is not a set protocol

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<v Speaker 1>or plan, and we're just talking about the concept and

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby what he's done and where he's been, and the

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<v Speaker 1>same for me and the people that we've coached. So

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<v Speaker 1>do you talk to people broadly about the creating a

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<v Speaker 1>life that works for them.

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<v Speaker 2>All the time?

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<v Speaker 1>Big picture stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>All the time, And sometimes it's not big spectra. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>it's something very focal, something aimed and in near future.

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<v Speaker 2>But other times, you know it, it's more of a

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<v Speaker 2>higher view, higher perspective. I wonder how much of what

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<v Speaker 2>we get stuck in is based on our expectations. Where

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<v Speaker 2>we're supposed to have this plan, we're supposed to know,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I don't know, I feel stuck because what

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<v Speaker 2>does that mean? Like I assigned some meaning to that

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<v Speaker 2>where And I think for a lot of people that

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<v Speaker 2>works for other people that people that have had this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation with and people quite close to me who I

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<v Speaker 2>really love. You get the feeling almost that there's that

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<v Speaker 2>they're operating on the principle should well, I should be here,

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<v Speaker 2>I should be doing this and I should be doing

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<v Speaker 2>this in this order, in this timeline. And that's fine

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<v Speaker 2>if it keeps you, if it keeps you structure, or

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<v Speaker 2>if it's something that is intrinsically moving you or something

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<v Speaker 2>that you intrinsically value. But what if it's not, And

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<v Speaker 2>then if you're stuck and it's like like you're saying, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing the same things every day, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have this sense of joy. Well, what would a sense

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<v Speaker 2>of joy mean? Like, what would be different about life

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<v Speaker 2>if you had this sense of joy? What is having

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<v Speaker 2>a sense of joy mean to you? And what is

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<v Speaker 2>not having a sense of joy mean? Maybe it's about

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<v Speaker 2>staying curious. I feel like the older I get, the

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<v Speaker 2>more this value around curiosity shows up for me. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that I'm not curious. I'm very curious. I

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<v Speaker 2>think one of my highest values is love of learning,

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<v Speaker 2>which is driven by curiosity. But the value of curiosity

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<v Speaker 2>and the willingness to explore and not have a very

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<v Speaker 2>strong opinion or dogma even worse about what that exploration

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<v Speaker 2>means or should mean, Like what are you interested in?

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<v Speaker 2>What catches your attention? Because I think like when you're

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<v Speaker 2>in momentum, how many times have you heard a story like

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<v Speaker 2>this where I was going one direction and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just got this summer job, and I just got

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<v Speaker 2>it because I needed the money, had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with anything I was interested in. And then I met

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<v Speaker 2>this other person in this field, and this event happened

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<v Speaker 2>not planned at all, seemingly for the person on the

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<v Speaker 2>other end of this story, random at the time, but

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<v Speaker 2>that unlocked something, and then I went in that direction,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I discovered this about myself. Have you heard

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<v Speaker 2>that story, Craig?

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, yes?

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<v Speaker 2>What? What about? What?

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<v Speaker 1>But I understand, but what about someone who knows this

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<v Speaker 1>is not the life I want to be in? How

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<v Speaker 1>did they begin to figure out maybe what a do

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<v Speaker 1>they want? And I guess curiosity is a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of that. But then not even knowing which direction to

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<v Speaker 1>step in, how do we perhaps find a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>clarity around that? And I understand all your thoughts around

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<v Speaker 1>expectations and stuff, But like I know many people I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you do, did do, I should say, who were

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<v Speaker 1>doing a certain thing and life was a bit blah

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<v Speaker 1>And then they opened a new door or moved into

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<v Speaker 1>a new area of work or passion or religion or lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something, and they're like different people and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>an act, and it's not for three weeks. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, you are you found your thing? You

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<v Speaker 1>found your thing, and some people are going, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to find a fucking thing because you know, I pay

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<v Speaker 1>the bills, and but other than that, there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot of I don't know. I don't feel fulfilled.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like I have a purpose. How do

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<v Speaker 1>we begin to practically, you know, rather than staying in

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<v Speaker 1>a situation that we don't love and trying to convince

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves we love it. Not that you were suggesting that,

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<v Speaker 1>but how do we practically begin to get clarity around

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<v Speaker 1>what might work for us, what direction we should what

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<v Speaker 1>door we should open.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, everybody's different, So I hesitate to prescribe

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<v Speaker 2>because where you are in your life is different, your

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<v Speaker 2>needs are different, just just your makeup of you being

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<v Speaker 2>you is different. And then there's context. But a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of things that we can extrapolate from the scenario that

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<v Speaker 2>you're laying out is I suspect there's this thing out

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<v Speaker 2>there for me. I'm frustrated because I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>this thing actually is. I want to have this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be that person. It's not like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know what my thing is and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm totally satisfied with that. I'm just doing I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>doing my thing. I don't think there is a thing. No,

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<v Speaker 2>this is something you want and something you value. So

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<v Speaker 2>if there's something I value like this pen, okay, exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing as a life purpose. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 2>go into my office tomorrow and I can't find it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in the same situation. There's something I really value

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know where it is. Logically, what would

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<v Speaker 2>be the simplest recommendation anyone can make to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Either God, look for it or get a new one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe go look for it, like, go look for it,

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<v Speaker 2>or go out and get another pen. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>see if that thing has equal value, so you got

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<v Speaker 2>to go explore a little bit. So one maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's letting go of that attachment. I should know what

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<v Speaker 2>that thing is, Like, what are you curious about? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're on social media, a lot of times adverts

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<v Speaker 2>will pop up, and those adverts are really interesting, like

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention because a lot of times those adverts correlate

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<v Speaker 2>with what you're searching for. So this week, as an example,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to you with Amy, the two of us

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<v Speaker 2>are going to a two day, all day public speaking

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<v Speaker 2>skills development seminar. Well, why am I going to that

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a move, in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>drowning in multiple projects at work, and in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of preparing for a pretty intense exam, because I'm interested

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<v Speaker 2>in that shit? And how did they know that I

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<v Speaker 2>was interested in that? Because obviously I guess I was

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<v Speaker 2>looking at pages and posts related to public speaking, related

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<v Speaker 2>to performing, related to communication, and I was like, shit,

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<v Speaker 2>why not. It's in my neighborhood. I could walk to

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<v Speaker 2>this thing. So what pops up that you could test out,

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<v Speaker 2>like take a class, go see a seminar, go visit something,

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<v Speaker 2>do something that's different than what you normally do. So

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<v Speaker 2>we say, like, it's like groundhog Day, Well what does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean to you? Right? Because even in Groundhog Day,

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<v Speaker 2>like and I don't know, there's there's different interpretations of

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<v Speaker 2>how long Bill Murray was actually in that day. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the interpretations were it wasn't thirty days, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a long long time, it was like years. He did

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<v Speaker 2>something vastly different every day It's like he tried, he

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<v Speaker 2>experimented with some crazy shit until he discovered like what

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<v Speaker 2>that pattern meant to him and what he needed to

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<v Speaker 2>do to get out of it. So yeah, maybe try

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of that. I mean, you know, don't

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<v Speaker 2>go punching a guy named Ned in the face. That's

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<v Speaker 2>probably rude. But maybe learn how to play the piano. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>because if if you weren't in that Groundhog Day, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think you'd be doing? Because like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm doing? Then why does it matter? But

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<v Speaker 2>what type of life would you like to have? Pick

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<v Speaker 2>somebody like who has that life? You're like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to find that thing? Well, yeah, how can they

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<v Speaker 2>set a vicarious example? What are some of the skills

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<v Speaker 2>that person has? Maybe maybe I'm wishing that I could

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<v Speaker 2>be like Craig Hopper and do podcasts, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>then to go out and speak.

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<v Speaker 1>What about I said, don't do that? What about? What

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<v Speaker 1>about the idea of breaking our life down into the

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<v Speaker 1>different components? And we go and we start to do

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a reflection, self reflection, try to find

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<v Speaker 1>some awareness and almost like a stock take, like where

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<v Speaker 1>am I at? How things go on? And then as

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<v Speaker 1>objective as we can be, which is not very But

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<v Speaker 1>with that in mind, what's my body telling me? Right now?

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<v Speaker 1>What's my body telling me? And am I happy with

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<v Speaker 1>what it's telling me? Do I need to change? How

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<v Speaker 1>do I need to change? What do I need to

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<v Speaker 1>do more of? What do I need to do less of?

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<v Speaker 1>What's my marriage telling me? What's my partner telling me?

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<v Speaker 1>How am I feeling about that? What am I doing well?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe not so well? What do I need from this?

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<v Speaker 1>What can I interpret from just the objective data that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting? Or then my career? What's my relationshipship with

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<v Speaker 1>my career? What's the impact of my career on my mental,

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<v Speaker 1>emotional and nervous systems? Like how am I in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, I talk about learning is one of

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<v Speaker 1>my key values and blah blah blah blah blah. What

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<v Speaker 1>am I proactively doing in some kind of strategic way

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<v Speaker 1>to keep learning, to keep using my brain, to build

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<v Speaker 1>my brain muscles to make sure that as I head

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<v Speaker 1>into my fifties, sixties and beyond, I'm still cognitively optimal

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<v Speaker 1>for me? What am I doing financially? Am I always struggling? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What needs you know, where we kind of go have

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<v Speaker 1>a look at all of these different bits and pieces

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<v Speaker 1>that make up my life, and then without self clothing

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<v Speaker 1>or without you know, self sabotage or throwing yourself under

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<v Speaker 1>the emotional and psychological bust, just go yeah, yeah I

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<v Speaker 1>could do this better or that better.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just an awareness thing. And but then am

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<v Speaker 1>I prepared to do that work? Like there's so many

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<v Speaker 1>people who want you know, they know they're not in

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<v Speaker 1>shape the shape they want to be, whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>that's relational or financial, or professional or physiological. Right, but

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<v Speaker 1>then there's the year, But will I do the work?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the work is long and painful and hard some

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<v Speaker 1>of it anyway, So what.

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<v Speaker 3>About that overall idea of like a you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>a live stock take or you know, a pause button

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<v Speaker 3>and a checklist.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of things that are pop it into my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>First is what you probably don't want to do, which

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<v Speaker 2>is take a look at all the dimensions of your

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<v Speaker 2>life and try to improve all of them, tackle that

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<v Speaker 2>all at once, because that can that can be overwhelming,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it can also create a lot of anxiety,

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<v Speaker 2>which creates stories that just not saying they're inaccurate but

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<v Speaker 2>they're not necessarily the truth. Second thing is what's the

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<v Speaker 2>order in which you're tackling those dimensions. Where I would

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<v Speaker 2>start is what dimension of your life are you absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>doing the best at? Are you the most proud of?

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<v Speaker 2>Because that speaks to self advocacy, confidence, and it speaks

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<v Speaker 2>to creativity because you're starting with exploring an area that

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<v Speaker 2>gives you life, that helps you discover straints, that helps

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<v Speaker 2>you identify what is your blueprint for when you do

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<v Speaker 2>something well? So now you're more open, like the more

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like if you start off at like, oh god,

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<v Speaker 2>where is my life a mess? Like I'm great in

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<v Speaker 2>my relationships, but I'm just about broke, I'm gonna focus

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<v Speaker 2>on that, You're probably not going to have the resourcefulness,

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<v Speaker 2>the creativity, and the resilience to really explore that and

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<v Speaker 2>engage in constructive actions. So the first is where you

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<v Speaker 2>the best. The second level is what is the most

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<v Speaker 2>pervasive dimension of my life? So I'll give me an example.

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<v Speaker 2>Gallops Global Research points to the number one predictor and

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<v Speaker 2>driver of well being both is workplace satisfaction. Why, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just that. So much of my identity for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people is wrapped up in work. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not that just so much of my time and my

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<v Speaker 2>life is spent at work. But look at all of

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<v Speaker 2>the other dimensions of well being that that supports. If

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<v Speaker 2>I have high workplace satisfaction, I probably have a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of relationships at that job that's rewarding. So that's another

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<v Speaker 2>dimension of well being right there. Yeah, I'm probably doing

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<v Speaker 2>okay financially, so that supports financial wellbeing. Because I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>okay financially, I probably don't live in a neighborhood that

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely hate, so I have community wellbeing. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost like that that rate limiting step. It's which area,

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<v Speaker 2>which dimension in my life. If I were to elevate

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<v Speaker 2>the level at which I engage or perform in it

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<v Speaker 2>would have an ancillary impact on all the other areas.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it could be I think the third the

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<v Speaker 2>third source of exploration, where do I feel I need

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<v Speaker 2>the most help? So where am I really good at

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<v Speaker 2>this two? What has the most pervasive impact on other

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<v Speaker 2>dimensions of my life? Tackle that for a bet, and

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<v Speaker 2>then okay, where could I use the most help? Where

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<v Speaker 2>if I elevated this it would make a significant difference

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<v Speaker 2>a year from.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, I love it. What about what about individually identifying

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<v Speaker 1>for me, for you, for the listener? What is success?

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<v Speaker 1>Because obviously success is a different thing for different people, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and success might be seventeen different things for you could

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<v Speaker 1>show up in a lot of different ways. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>could go, I'm earning one thousand dollars a week. That's

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<v Speaker 1>mind blowing. This is more money than I've ever made.

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<v Speaker 1>This is incredible. And some people are like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean a thousand dollars? How do you even live

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<v Speaker 1>on that? Like that's subsistence, you know, that's like that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Or somebody else runs ten kilometers in fifty minutes and

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<v Speaker 1>thinks they're a superstar, which, by the way, if you

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<v Speaker 1>do that, well done, that's pretty good. And somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>runs the same distance five minutes quicker, and they're flat

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<v Speaker 1>and depressed because they expected to do forty you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like the experience of success is almost something

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<v Speaker 1>that we create based on our story of success. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the idea of well, if I could, if

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<v Speaker 1>I could just have more of this, or do less

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<v Speaker 1>of that, or experience less of that, or experience more

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<v Speaker 1>of that, then I will be good. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>also getting clear on you know, the old, boring old

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<v Speaker 1>what do I want and why do I want it?

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<v Speaker 1>And why does it matter? And how do I get it?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, or how do I create it? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that a lot of us kind of almost adopt

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<v Speaker 1>the group think of successes stuff. Success is what you

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<v Speaker 1>have and own and earn, and what you're driving, where

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<v Speaker 1>you live, and what people think you and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>which is saying none of those are bad, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>But then you know lots of people. I know lots

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<v Speaker 1>of people who've got all the stuff. They've got all

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff, they got all the things. From the outside

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<v Speaker 1>looking in, you're like, wow, you are successful. If we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about what is the metric in our culture or

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<v Speaker 1>our society or our media or social media, you're ticking

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<v Speaker 1>all the boxes. But within that inner experience, not what

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.359
<v Speaker 1>people see, but what people don't see, Well, they're sad,

0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 1>they're lonely, they're disconnected, they're medicated for anxiety, depression, sleeplessness,

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<v Speaker 1>and despite the appearance of success, they're miserable as fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's kind of almost factoring in my

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<v Speaker 1>inner world where I really live and my outer world

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<v Speaker 1>where life happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the best definition that I've ever heard about success,

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<v Speaker 2>The most resonant one was from Erl Natingal in The

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<v Speaker 2>Stranger's Secret, where success is the progressive realization of a

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<v Speaker 2>worthy goal or ideal. So I love that because the

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<v Speaker 2>only one who can identify what is a worthy life giving,

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<v Speaker 2>energizing goal or not even a goal, not even something

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<v Speaker 2>that you arrive at or accomplish ideal, something that you're

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<v Speaker 2>always striving for, you never arriving at. So I love

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<v Speaker 2>that thing, you know, always striving, never arriving Like that

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<v Speaker 2>to me is success. And then all of those other things,

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<v Speaker 2>the outcomes, those aren't success. That's a consequence of being successful,

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<v Speaker 2>and that shows up in your inner world, in your

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<v Speaker 2>outer world. So, because we talked about this recently, like

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<v Speaker 2>you ask most people, oh, I just want to be

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<v Speaker 2>really happy, Well, do you remember a time and you

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<v Speaker 2>know whether it's it's a fabricator embellish time. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people have this time in their life where, based

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<v Speaker 2>on how they shape their memories and interpret them, this

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<v Speaker 2>was it. So do you remember a time in your

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<v Speaker 2>life we knew the most happy? Somebody recalls it and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like, oh, it's when I had the nicest car.

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<v Speaker 2>It's when my house was the biggest. A lot of times,

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<v Speaker 2>it's when you were on the journey, you were on

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<v Speaker 2>the way. It's not when you got somewhere, it's when

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<v Speaker 2>you were going somewhere. And it's almost that cliche story

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<v Speaker 2>of like, oh, honey, you remember, do you remember we

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:19.400
<v Speaker 2>had that one room flat and we didn't even have furniture.

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<v Speaker 2>We slept on our mattress on the ground. Oh we

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<v Speaker 2>drank cheap wine at night. But man, were we happy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like stories like that, And maybe that's romanticizing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you know you were actually miserable, maybe that mattress

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<v Speaker 2>was lumpy, But I think there's a lot of truth

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Greig Dude, I'm so I so love that quote from Nightingale,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, like, essentially what that's saying is it's

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<v Speaker 1>about the journey, not the destination. And then I think

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<v Speaker 1>practically about the people that I've worked with in like

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<v Speaker 1>in small ways but also big ways, where like how

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<v Speaker 1>many people you worked as a train for a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>how many people were weighed in, you know, in your language,

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred pounds and they wanted to be you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty pounds and then over time they

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<v Speaker 1>ate different, Da da da, They did it all they

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<v Speaker 1>got to one fifty pounds, and they were just as insecure,

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<v Speaker 1>just as unhappy. Like it didn't matter what where they got,

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<v Speaker 1>they always wanted to be somewhere else. It's like I

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<v Speaker 1>have a saying that it's like, no matter where we are,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not where we want to be, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>we've always got this when I have, when I do,

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<v Speaker 1>when I and that the amount of people that had

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<v Speaker 1>what I call it destination disappointment is they get where

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<v Speaker 1>they thought they or they wanted to be. They created

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<v Speaker 1>this external thing, a brand of business, a bank account,

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<v Speaker 1>a look, a shape, a size, a weight, a reputation,

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<v Speaker 1>a brand, or they created this thing that everyone could see,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the thing that no one can see is

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<v Speaker 1>that internal world. There wasn't a corresponding win. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm meant to feel great now because I did

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<v Speaker 1>the thing, and look at me. I look good and

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<v Speaker 1>I have stuff and I can pay bills and people

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<v Speaker 1>like me, and yeah, but nonetheless, my reality is anxiety

0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 1>or sadness or you know. But when you've got that focus,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're working towards that thing and you're excited and

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<v Speaker 1>you're curious, and you're making decisions, and you're growing and

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<v Speaker 1>you're learning, and you're being challenged and you're fucking up

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<v Speaker 1>and you're getting up and you're building resilience and insight

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.960
<v Speaker 1>and skill. Like that's fucking great. But then to get

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<v Speaker 1>there and go I'm finished now, I'm just going to

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<v Speaker 1>sit here and be successful doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really poignant. I feel like at some level, our

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<v Speaker 2>layers or the pursuit of alignment and fulfillment of our

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<v Speaker 2>values and avoidance of things that threaten those values. And

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times those patterns don't make sense if

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what those values are. And you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about something people have heard a thousand times, someone who

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<v Speaker 2>pursued something they thought they should want for whatever reason

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<v Speaker 2>they thought they should have it. They got there and like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so dissatisfying because they never understood what the

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<v Speaker 2>attainment of that thing represents. And I think another story

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 2>we hear, maybe not as often, but it also reflects

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:34.479
<v Speaker 2>the same points about the alignment or misalignment of our

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<v Speaker 2>values is somebody has the worst something they think is

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 2>the worst thing that could ever happen to them. And

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:44.879
<v Speaker 2>it turns out to be the best. So here's an

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:48.159
<v Speaker 2>example of it. I used to work with this lady

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:52.800
<v Speaker 2>who was a leader in a major organization, and like

0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I loved her. I just found her intellect, her sense

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of humor, her her sense of ethics to be exhilarating.

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Loved being around this person, loved working with her. And

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:16.920
<v Speaker 2>she was one of these people who early in her life,

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.639
<v Speaker 2>people who cared about her were very concerned she wasn't

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 2>serious about a direction. She wasn't this disciplined, principled person.

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 2>She was someone who was very much stuck in doing

0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>her own things, her own patterns, and was a party girl.

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying the same thing wrong with just going

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 2>out there and partying, but her looking back, that's not

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.239
<v Speaker 2>a reflection of who she was proud of and who

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>she wanted to be. And then she's with this guy.

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>She gets pregnant and they're like, Okay, maybe we should

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:54.360
<v Speaker 2>get married. It's the day of her wedding. She shows

0:28:54.440 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 2>up for her wedding, pregnant guy doesn't show up, stands

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 2>her up at the altar. So now in front of everybody,

0:29:01.960 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 2>she stood up, loses the guy. He disappears she's pregnant.

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 2>She thinks, this is the worst possible thing that could

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>ever happen to me. I don't know how I'm going

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 2>to support this kid. I don't know what my life

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>is going to look like. Everything. I love everything, I

0:29:22.360 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>enjoy everything on whit it's over now, and she has

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the baby, and they put the baby. She has a girl,

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 2>They put her daughter on her ches.

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Better have a happy ending, motherfucker, because right now I'm

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 1>pretty sad.

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 2>Did did you Did you miss the part when I

0:29:40.120 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>said I loved working with this person? Yeah, all those,

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>all those qualities. She looks at her daughter and has

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:57.280
<v Speaker 2>this this realization that she is more in love with

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:01.719
<v Speaker 2>this thing than she ever thought she could love anything before. Wow.

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>And she wants to nurture and she wants to cultivate

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>and develop and shape this life more than anything. And

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 2>so she starts focusing on her career. She starts excelling

0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 2>in her career. She starts like this person had no

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:23.920
<v Speaker 2>business experience, starts buying houses, flipping houses like accumulating you know,

0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of wealth in the process, and just becomes

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 2>this driven, resourceful, dynamic human being with a strong sense

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:40.160
<v Speaker 2>of purpose and a pretty clear compass, and it all

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>happened because the worst thing she can imagine happened to her.

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 2>But if that never happened to her, it would have

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 2>never pulled the veil back on what is she truly

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>valued and wanted to be? So it comes down to values.

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Also what is she capable of? Like she she tapped

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>into this potential and power that maybe she might not

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>have for a long time if ever, because she was

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:15.400
<v Speaker 1>in a situation where you can't you can't opt out,

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>like you can't go, oh, I don't want to be

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>a single pregnant or you know, woman at the altar,

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 1>or don't I don't want to be a single mum.

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.960
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, well you are. You are a single

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>mum and this is your reality and it won't change.

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 1>And she went all right, well I better figure it out.

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Whereas had there been a different situation or scenario, yeah,

0:31:40.480 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe that would have even though it would have seemed

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>better in the moment, maybe it would have been worse

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>over time.

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 2>And what's interesting is what did not happen. Because this

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 2>was a person who everyone around her thought she was undisciplined, unmotivated, directionless, selfish,

0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 2>like all of these things and it's not like she

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.479
<v Speaker 2>decided I'm gonna get my shit together. It's not like,

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, she listened to a podcast or read a book,

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 2>or went to a course, you know, or pulled herself

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>up by her own bootstraps. She was confronted with a

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 2>value system that was critical to her that she wasn't

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 2>able to identify beforehand. And then all of these attributes

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that we associate and that we would name as being

0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>critical to quote unquote success, they spontaneously showed up. Maybe

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 2>not that day. I don't think she like took the

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 2>kid home and like flipped the house by the end

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 2>of the week. But it happened right then and there

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 2>in that hospital. And it's extremely impressive, and it's so

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>encouraging because you want that for people, right, Like, is

0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>that such a great story? Yeah?

0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I love that. But also what it tells us is

0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:00.440
<v Speaker 1>when we're backed into a corner, really backed into a corner,

0:33:00.480 --> 0:33:03.800
<v Speaker 1>either literally or we think we're backed into a corner,

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>we can do some amazing shit. Like you said, it's

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 1>not like she did a course. It's not like she had,

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:14.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, any particular resources or help in a massive way, perhaps,

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>but she was just found herself in a situation where

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>she was going to sink or swim, and she found

0:33:22.240 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 1>a way. And it's like, that's it's amazing how much

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:31.680
<v Speaker 1>we see people do and what they're capable of when

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:37.160
<v Speaker 1>there's a version of a catastrophe or a level of

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.080
<v Speaker 1>a catastrophe in their life where they just need to

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 1>adapt and adjust and just crack on and figure it out,

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>because the alternative is capitulation.

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:55.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I agree with you, I just I just

0:33:55.200 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 2>want to point out one distinction. I'm not saying that

0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:05.960
<v Speaker 2>when you're in that situation, this is what is expected

0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 2>or works for everyone, because sometimes people are spread so

0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 2>thin and they are just hanging on. So Amy directed

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 2>a documentary. It was an Emmy Emmy Award winning documentary

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>about soldiers who had come back, you know, from combat

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:38.720
<v Speaker 2>veterans and they were struggling with PTSD and how hard

0:34:38.880 --> 0:34:43.239
<v Speaker 2>that was. And somebody in that situation gets into a

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 2>situation where the backs up against the wall. And these

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 2>are some of the toughest, most resilient, brave, you know,

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>courageous people in our society, and that situation breaks them, yes,

0:34:55.680 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 2>rather than galvanizes them or propels them. And it's not

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.640
<v Speaker 2>because of a moral failing. And it's definitely not because

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>they're a weak person. Like these people represent the opposite

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 2>of weakness in our society. So I'm not saying that

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:16.799
<v Speaker 2>that's the expectation that if your backs up against the wall,

0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 2>you should do that. What I am saying, I think

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:25.360
<v Speaker 2>you're saying as well, is when you identify what you

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 2>value and there is an extraordinary circumstance that moves you

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:36.359
<v Speaker 2>out of your comfort zone, it disrupts the status quo

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 2>to whereas there is an urgency meeting a sense of

0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 2>clarity around your value system that could be that could

0:35:47.360 --> 0:35:51.880
<v Speaker 2>be spectacular in ways that you can amaze yourself and

0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:57.440
<v Speaker 2>reinvent yourself and discover things about yourself that probably will

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:58.120
<v Speaker 2>always there.

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I totally agree, And I wasn't suggesting. Maybe it

0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>sounded like it, but I yeah, I know you were it.

0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:11.719
<v Speaker 2>It didn't sound like you were. I just wanted to

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.560
<v Speaker 2>make sure that that's not what I was saying.

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, there's so many people that that go

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 1>through a hard problem and that hard problem becomes a

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>bigger problem mentally and emotionally for a while. And that's

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:30.840
<v Speaker 1>totally understandable too. But but I think often, you know,

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>sometimes to often, I guess, is that we learn and

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>grow through the ship that we didn't actually want, you know,

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I know for me in business, you know, in financial stuff,

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:47.279
<v Speaker 1>in uh, social experience as being the fatterest skid at

0:36:47.320 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 1>school and all of that ship that wasn't that great

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 1>or pleasant. It actually for me was a fuel source

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't always work out great and it wasn't

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>always pleasant. But I think a lot of my especially

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 1>early development and understanding and awareness and insight came from

0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 1>being in hard things and then figuring out, what do

0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 1>I do with these hard things? What do I do

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:16.880
<v Speaker 1>with these experiences? How do I learn from this? And yeah,

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:19.319
<v Speaker 1>I had this And this is digressing a bit, but

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.680
<v Speaker 1>following on from what I just said, when I was

0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>that fat kid who lost all the weight, the biggest

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:31.319
<v Speaker 1>AHA moment for me wasn't the weight or that I

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>was now lean. It was that I started to understand

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>my potential because I just didn't think highly of me

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:43.799
<v Speaker 1>or my ability or skill or what was possible for me.

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I made such a small opinion of myself and what

0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:51.560
<v Speaker 1>was possible, and then I did this thing that honestly

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>was kind of fucking impressive. I mean I didn't have

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 1>a coach, I didn't have a dietitian, I didn't have

0:37:57.200 --> 0:37:59.080
<v Speaker 1>a trainer, I didn't have anything. I mean it was

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>nineteen and tier seven, right, so that you know, there's

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:09.839
<v Speaker 1>no internet, there's no and I just figured it out.

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 1>And my plan, my literal food plan, was whatever I

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 1>normally eat, I'm eating half. And that was what I

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 1>did for months and months. Like I didn't go, oh,

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.080
<v Speaker 1>there's good fats and bad fats and fucking proteins and

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 1>carbs and like I'm like ah, I just went, well,

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I normally have two of these cheese, ham and tomato

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>sandwiches or three, I'll have one or one and a half.

0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:36.959
<v Speaker 1>And that's what I did. I normally drink this much milk.

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 1>I'll have half that milk. And that was my plan.

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 1>And it obviously when you reduce your calories by fifty percent,

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:46.439
<v Speaker 1>shit starts to happen. And then you start to run

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, or build up to running, starting

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 1>at walking, jogging, bloody whatever. Yeah, and then and that

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>all that was great, But at the end, I went, oh,

0:38:56.880 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm not shit, And that was like a good personal moment.

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I went, I'm not shit because I thought I was shit.

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>You know. So even that thing of understanding what is

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:13.720
<v Speaker 1>possible for us and then believing it, that's a fucking superpower.

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. That reminds me of something one of the

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>ways I think you can get clearer on what's resonant

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:29.319
<v Speaker 2>feeling someone's like, oh, I want that thing when you're

0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>out there experimenting in the world. You know, I've experimented

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:40.240
<v Speaker 2>with like comedy classes, improv classes, acting classes, finger painting

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 2>and drinking wine classes, and you know, I think I

0:39:45.640 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 2>was more into the wine than the finger painting and

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:51.840
<v Speaker 2>all this stuff, just to see what is it that

0:39:51.920 --> 0:39:57.879
<v Speaker 2>you're doing that you're getting better at. To where self efficacy, right,

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 2>you're a belief in your ability to successfully do this

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>thing influences self esteem, so as I feel, because they're

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 2>different things and they're not interconnected all the time. Efficacy

0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 2>is how I feel about my ability in a certain area.

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Self esteem is how I feel about myself in general.

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 2>So when I was going ahead and I was taking

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 2>improv classes, I found it very difficult. And whether that

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:30.320
<v Speaker 2>is because I'm a bit thick or my instructor was

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 2>very tough. As I started to improve my self esteem improved.

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I like the fact that I'm getting

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 2>better at this to where the painting class I could

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>have gotten so good that I could have produced Da Vinci. Now,

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 2>of course that would never happen. I don't think I

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 2>even got good enough to where anyone can even make

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:59.239
<v Speaker 2>out what I was trying to paint. But no matter

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.440
<v Speaker 2>how good I would get, it wouldn't improve my self esteem.

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Not because I don't like appreciate art. I do all

0:41:08.160 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 2>forms of art, I personally don't value being good at

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>that type of art. So my self efficacy would improve,

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:20.600
<v Speaker 2>but not my self esteem. Pay attention to both. So

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 2>it's like, as you started to get more confident and

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.719
<v Speaker 2>shape this belief and your ability to take steps that

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 2>had an impact on your body, and you started feeling like,

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.520
<v Speaker 2>oh fuck, I can do this, and that elevated your

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 2>self esteem. That's a that's a clue.

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that moment in

0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 1>time for me was transformative because I just for the

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 1>first time started to challenge my own thinking and realize

0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 1>that my thinking could be the problem or part of

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:56.239
<v Speaker 1>the problem. And then, you know, I didn't know what

0:41:56.400 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the fuck metacognition was but that's the road I was

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>going down at a young age. I was just thinking

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>because I literally thought, Oh, I wonder what else I

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 1>could do? Do you know what I mean? Because I

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.600
<v Speaker 1>never thought I could do that. I never thought I

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 1>could be the fit, lean, healthy kid. And not only fit,

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 1>lean and healthy, but you know the kid that went

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 1>from being picked last for teams to being picked early,

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 1>like in the first few and playing, you know, playing

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:28.360
<v Speaker 1>in the school football team and you know, representing and

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:33.759
<v Speaker 1>running at fucking carnivals and yeah, like all of us,

0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and well that's good and they're nice little feathers. But

0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:39.800
<v Speaker 1>then you go, ah, you know, and that's kind of

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:44.320
<v Speaker 1>and I think I can't speak for you, but I

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 1>think most people suffer from low self esteem, if not

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:51.239
<v Speaker 1>always at some stage. Not everyone, of course, and a

0:42:51.280 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>shout out to the sociopaths, but like I've always been,

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, first time I went to UNI, I was

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 1>thirty six, I'm like, ah, fuck, this is terre. What

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 1>have I done? I'm the dumbest data And then you

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't you know. I just felt like a

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.400
<v Speaker 1>fraud and I was. And then when I started, you know,

0:43:10.800 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>my PhD and all that, it's like, oh my god,

0:43:14.040 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>this is I had no idea. I had no idea

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 1>what I was getting into. And then for the first

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.400
<v Speaker 1>three months, I was trying to figure out how I

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 1>could get out of it with minimal public damage because

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I was so embarrassed of my own inability, you know.

0:43:29.800 --> 0:43:32.840
<v Speaker 1>But then you go, oh, well, I'm fucking here, like

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>learn like learn the language, understand what research is, Understand

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 1>how to design research and do research and interpret the

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 1>data and write papers, and learn that fucking language that

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone speaks here that is like you know, German, Russian

0:43:49.280 --> 0:43:53.360
<v Speaker 1>and bloody Swedish altogether. Yeah, but it's like, oh you do,

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and then you go, okay, so I can become different

0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:01.200
<v Speaker 1>or I can do things that I previously didn't think

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I could do, and leaving the ego aside. But it's like, oh, like,

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just your self awareness of your possibilities expanse.

0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's so many lessons as I'm listening to

0:44:16.600 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 2>you tell that story, and you know, can I unpack

0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:24.520
<v Speaker 2>them a little bit? There's not just your willingness to explore.

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 2>But let's take a look at the PhD for a second.

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>You didn't go out and get your PhD in twelfth

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 2>century Spanish architecture. Yeah, I'm sure it's fascinating, but you

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:45.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't do that. You got it in an area of

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>behavior change, Right, there's a neuroscientific element. So what is

0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 2>it that you engage in and you're curious enough about

0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 2>it to where you want to learn more about it?

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.799
<v Speaker 2>It not like you have to not like, Okay, I've

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.600
<v Speaker 2>got this course. I have to go through it because

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:11.520
<v Speaker 2>it's on cybersecurity and my company is mandating it. But

0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, left to my own devices, I wouldn't be

0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:19.320
<v Speaker 2>like searching the internet or going on Amazon looking for

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:22.640
<v Speaker 2>books on cybersecurity. Like, what is it that when you

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 2>experience it, it not only elevates your self efficacy and

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:30.160
<v Speaker 2>impacts your self esteem, but it pulls you toward it.

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Like a kid who's really into dinosaurs and they'll devour

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 2>any website, any YouTube video, any book about dinosaurs. What's

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 2>the adult equivalent of dinosaurs for you? Maybe it is dinosaur.

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:48.439
<v Speaker 2>Still great, because that's a you found that thing. That's

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 2>what I thought, Like like Charles Baudelaire the eighteenth century

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Essays said, when you talked about get drunk, this is

0:45:57.040 --> 0:45:59.839
<v Speaker 2>the great imperative if you do not want to feel time,

0:46:00.920 --> 0:46:05.439
<v Speaker 2>fartle bruise upon your shoulders, crushing you into the earth.

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Get drunk and stay that way. But he wasn't talking

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 2>about alcoholism. He said, on what you ask on wine, poetry,

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 2>virtue doesn't matter. Just get drunk. So when you find

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:21.320
<v Speaker 2>something that's intoxicating and you can't wait to get the

0:46:21.480 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 2>very next taste of it, I think that's a clue.

0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Another clue in your story is like, after you learned

0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 2>that you could change your body, no matter where you're

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 2>starting from, if there were certain things you did, and

0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 2>you did them consistently, the fruits of that effort which

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:45.759
<v Speaker 2>start to show up undeniably in a physical change right

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:49.080
<v Speaker 2>in front of your eyes. You went out and you started,

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 2>you started a gym chain. What is it that you're

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 2>experiencing that you want everyone to have? Earlier today, after

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I got back from the gym, I had a rice

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 2>bowl and it was really good. I liked that rice bowl.

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I was really hungry, so I could say I loved it.

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Do I want everybody in the world to have a

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:16.160
<v Speaker 2>rice bowl more than anything? No, I'm kind of indifferent

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 2>to it. I liked it, But you wanted everyone to

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:23.879
<v Speaker 2>have what you had, and when I was a deformed

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.680
<v Speaker 2>looking kid grown up in Brooklyn and I went to

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:29.800
<v Speaker 2>the gym and it changed my life. We went on

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.520
<v Speaker 2>the same path because I was like, it's not enough

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 2>that I experienced this. I want everyone to have what

0:47:37.000 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I have and benefit from it as profoundly as I'm

0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.840
<v Speaker 2>benefiting from it. So what do you want to share

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.680
<v Speaker 2>with others? As a matter of fact, you can't help

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:51.439
<v Speaker 2>but share it with others. That's a clue. So there's

0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:57.440
<v Speaker 2>all these experimental pathways that kind of tell you what

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.360
<v Speaker 2>that thing is. Going back to that person, it was like,

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a thing, but I want a thing.

0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:04.600
<v Speaker 2>You've got a thing, but you've got to look for it.

0:48:05.200 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Just like if you want to find anything in the dark,

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 2>you got to turn on a light and cast that

0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:13.320
<v Speaker 2>light around the room a little bit. Until you do that,

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:15.759
<v Speaker 2>you turn on that light and you look around, you've

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.719
<v Speaker 2>got no chance of finding anything. I remember one night

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I was I was on I was being interviewed on

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the BBC radio and Paul Ross, the interviewer, had asked me, well,

0:48:28.160 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 2>when you're overcoming a lot of stuff in your life,

0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and you know, how do you like, how do you

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 2>go out and do that. How do you take on

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>a path that's more rewarding and painful. I'm paraphrasing that question,

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.240
<v Speaker 2>and what I said was, well, look at other people

0:48:45.000 --> 0:48:50.319
<v Speaker 2>and where they might be going through something similar. Where

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 2>is it that you want to alleviate? So it's not

0:48:53.560 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 2>like one path is I want everyone to have what

0:48:56.360 --> 0:49:00.160
<v Speaker 2>I have. What do you not want anyone to have

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:07.759
<v Speaker 2>that you've had or experienced? That's another clue. Yeah, And

0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:10.439
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a powerful one because that detaches from

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.320
<v Speaker 2>like all the stories about well I don't do this,

0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not that. No, it's not you, it's them. But

0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:18.439
<v Speaker 2>what you want from them or what you don't want

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:21.080
<v Speaker 2>them to experience could kind of be a hint at

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:22.760
<v Speaker 2>what you truly value.

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, I guess so many little points along the

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:32.399
<v Speaker 1>way in my life and my childhood, and that it's

0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 1>what I when I don't know if I could even

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:39.400
<v Speaker 1>articulate articulate it this way when I was a kid,

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 1>but I got to the point where I realized what

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 1>was holding me back was not actually ability or potential

0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:51.840
<v Speaker 1>or capacity, but rather what I thought about those three things.

0:49:52.239 --> 0:49:54.920
<v Speaker 1>It's what I thought about my potential. I thought I

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 1>was dumb. It turns out I'm not dumb, not a genius,

0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:02.279
<v Speaker 1>not dumb. I thought I had the worst genetics in

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:06.080
<v Speaker 1>the world. Turns out, don't you know, not the best,

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:12.959
<v Speaker 1>but not the worst, right, And then realizing that I could,

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:19.360
<v Speaker 1>through thought and conscious effort and commitment and a willingness

0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 1>to endure pain, be that mental emotional whatever, I could

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:33.000
<v Speaker 1>create not just change, but like fucking massive change where

0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:37.120
<v Speaker 1>my life, the day to day experience of my life

0:50:37.520 --> 0:50:41.360
<v Speaker 1>changed a lot when I essentially lost a third of

0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 1>my body weight and socially and emotionally and practically and

0:50:47.000 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 1>mentally and physically and even scholastically, and you know, it's like,

0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:57.200
<v Speaker 1>oh oh, and not that dropping weight is the global

0:50:57.320 --> 0:51:02.160
<v Speaker 1>solution to everything, of course, or me. So much of

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:05.840
<v Speaker 1>my internal shit was tied into the fact that I

0:51:06.280 --> 0:51:09.600
<v Speaker 1>was the fattest kid at my school, and my name

0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 1>at school was Jumbo, a direct reference to how fat

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I was. And it's pretty hard to not just like

0:51:16.160 --> 0:51:18.719
<v Speaker 1>when that is your identity to people, when that is

0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:21.640
<v Speaker 1>your label. And by the way, I'm not blaming anyone.

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad at anyone at all. I'm just this

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:28.560
<v Speaker 1>is my story. When your label is Jumbo, well, it's

0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:31.680
<v Speaker 1>hard to and you know, hundreds of people call you

0:51:31.800 --> 0:51:36.239
<v Speaker 1>that because that is your name. There it's hard to

0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:43.040
<v Speaker 1>not see yourself in a you know, in a poor

0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:46.400
<v Speaker 1>lights and or as the fat guy, or as the

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:51.560
<v Speaker 1>guy that's not particularly attractive or socially desirable or doesn't

0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.239
<v Speaker 1>fit in or or fill in the boxes. And then

0:51:55.000 --> 0:51:57.160
<v Speaker 1>so when I started to do this thing, I told

0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.399
<v Speaker 1>no one. I didn't even tell my parents, I didn't

0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:03.960
<v Speaker 1>tell my best mate. I just started running and I went,

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to I'm just going to do this thing.

0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>And I went well, and I just like, I was

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 1>so motivated through a bad experience I'd had, so motivated

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:19.799
<v Speaker 1>it got to the point where my motivation and inspiration

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and you know kind of discipline as self control pretty

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:27.040
<v Speaker 1>much became an obsession. So it's funny how the good

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:29.480
<v Speaker 1>thing can become the bad thing dependent on the dose

0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and the mindset. Yeah, you know, so and you went

0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and you went through not that it's comparison, but you

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:41.680
<v Speaker 1>went through fucking way worse. So you know, it's just

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 1>but I think like if even like you and me

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:48.600
<v Speaker 1>as kids, I think we're not looking for sympathy anyone

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 1>at all. But My point is that if if uninformed, uneducated,

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>unknowing kids who have a sense of knowing, maybe belief

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:03.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe below, but if we can figure out because you

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, even as seven year olds, six year olds

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:09.080
<v Speaker 1>in your case, probably you know, we're constantly trying to

0:53:09.200 --> 0:53:13.920
<v Speaker 1>navigate a world that's kind of confusing and potentially terrifying,

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.440
<v Speaker 1>and we're trying to figure out how to survive and

0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:20.320
<v Speaker 1>thrive and how to be safe. And so you know,

0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:22.480
<v Speaker 1>one of mine was, just be the fat, happy kid.

0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Just be Jumbo, the fucking hilarious, fucking clown.

0:53:26.000 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Just be that guy.

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Because everyone loves a clown. So be the clown. Be

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the disruptive clown if you need to be, but be

0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:36.240
<v Speaker 1>the fucking clown so their attention is drawn to the clown,

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 1>not the fat stomach.

0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Totally understand, Totally understand.

0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how we got here from there, I

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:45.680
<v Speaker 1>feel like we goss.

0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, now, because we started talking about identifying your

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:53.200
<v Speaker 2>values and being willing to play and step out an

0:53:53.280 --> 0:53:58.800
<v Speaker 2>experiment and be detached from how it should go or

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.680
<v Speaker 2>what should happen as a result of it, just see

0:54:01.719 --> 0:54:05.000
<v Speaker 2>what you learn, see what resonates. I think all of

0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 2>these stories kind of encapsulate powerful lessons, like I know

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:15.360
<v Speaker 2>in my transformation, when I got into jeril, it changed

0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:19.120
<v Speaker 2>my relationship with pain. You know you talked about pain

0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:25.040
<v Speaker 2>early in life. Pain caused me a lot of suffering,

0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 2>whether it was emotional, psychological, physical pain, because there was

0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:35.560
<v Speaker 2>no autonomy. I wasn't choosing it, there was no control.

0:54:35.920 --> 0:54:38.759
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't help it right, couldn't change it, avoid it,

0:54:39.000 --> 0:54:46.320
<v Speaker 2>lessen it. And then when I got into exercise, pain

0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:51.920
<v Speaker 2>became exhilarating for me. Pain became my favorite thing in

0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 2>the world because I could choose it, I could regulate it,

0:54:57.840 --> 0:55:01.800
<v Speaker 2>and I had the miscan at that point that the

0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:05.400
<v Speaker 2>more pain I was in, the further I was moving

0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:07.680
<v Speaker 2>towards where I wanted to be and who I wanted.

0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:11.040
<v Speaker 2>But come, I mean, we all had that insane person

0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>in the gym, insane mentor there was this guy Oscar

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and I used to train with him in his basement

0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:22.320
<v Speaker 2>and like he would make you vomit from one never ending,

0:55:22.800 --> 0:55:26.319
<v Speaker 2>stupidly intense set of squats and then you just lay

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:30.359
<v Speaker 2>on the ground. And I remember, I remember the once

0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I was laying on the ground, I was watching smoke

0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.120
<v Speaker 2>come off of my head and I couldn't even get

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:39.400
<v Speaker 2>up off the floor, and his mother came down and

0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:42.440
<v Speaker 2>saw me and just didn't react. I thought, Okay, this

0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:45.759
<v Speaker 2>is probably a normal occurrence. So he had that type

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:49.000
<v Speaker 2>of training. And I remember that I could not walk

0:55:49.160 --> 0:55:53.759
<v Speaker 2>for several days after that. Yeah, not well, And I

0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 2>remember how good that felt. I was like, I want

0:55:57.200 --> 0:55:59.800
<v Speaker 2>to feel like this all the time, which is insane

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 2>for someone who's not it, because it gave me such

0:56:03.360 --> 0:56:07.040
<v Speaker 2>a locus of control. I mean to the point where,

0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:12.200
<v Speaker 2>like we've discussed this, some of my really debilitating injuries

0:56:12.239 --> 0:56:17.120
<v Speaker 2>as an older adult are completely unnecessary and I know better.

0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:22.160
<v Speaker 2>But it's that connection to that pain, because I think

0:56:22.239 --> 0:56:28.960
<v Speaker 2>when pain has meaning behind it and there's there's a

0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:33.880
<v Speaker 2>direction to it, it doesn't induce suffering. I think it

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:36.800
<v Speaker 2>can be transformative and I think it can be actually

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:40.759
<v Speaker 2>quite enjoyable. And that that is the definition of passion. Bill,

0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 2>I want to find my passion. Well, your passion is

0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:47.080
<v Speaker 2>what it is that you're willing to suffer for. Yeah,

0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not about this exuberance and this excitement.

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:54.680
<v Speaker 2>It's about I would suffer for this. I think that's

0:56:54.800 --> 0:56:59.280
<v Speaker 2>that's also a great list. Mistest for what your values

0:56:59.360 --> 0:56:59.600
<v Speaker 2>might be.

0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's complicated because on a level, people are hardwired

0:57:06.719 --> 0:57:12.640
<v Speaker 1>for instant gratification, pain avoidance, risk avoidance, you know, blah

0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. But also we know that, you know, it's

0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:21.240
<v Speaker 1>in that. For me, all of the where I've grown

0:57:21.320 --> 0:57:25.160
<v Speaker 1>and learned and evolved and built the most resilience consistently

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<v Speaker 1>has been when I was doing something that was somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>between a bit hard and fucking horrible. And you're like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's like, you can't. You know this old anecdote,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't go to the gym and build a big, strong, functional,

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<v Speaker 1>amazing body by training at three out of ten, or

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<v Speaker 1>by avoiding the work, or by taking the safest, least

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<v Speaker 1>painful option. You can't. It's like strength, literal physical strength

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<v Speaker 1>and mental emotional strength is a direct byproduct of navigating

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<v Speaker 1>painful thing. It's navigating stress, working against resistance, stimulating your body,

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<v Speaker 1>your brain, et cetera in a way that it needs

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<v Speaker 1>to adapt to survive and thrive. So we literally subject

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves to this thing that ain't pleasant to create an

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<v Speaker 1>outcome that is a positive for us. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's no way around that nobody has ever

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<v Speaker 1>in the history of humanity sat on the couch and

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<v Speaker 1>gotten an amazing big, functional, strong, or healthy or trim

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<v Speaker 1>or sexy body by not working out or not exercising

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<v Speaker 1>or not moving.

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<v Speaker 2>You've clearly never seen what I do on my couch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's good, you're funny. All right, we're being to

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<v Speaker 1>wind up. We've been here forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I do you want to say just another disclaimer? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that you need a ten out of

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<v Speaker 2>ten like all out effort every time, because sometimes that

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<v Speaker 2>can be especially when it comes to exercise, that could

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<v Speaker 2>be more counterproductive than not. Like sometimes you know it

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<v Speaker 2>is a five out of ten, sometimes it's nine out

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<v Speaker 2>of ten. Now, what are you willing to intelligently keep

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<v Speaker 2>showing up for? It's that consistency, just through that oup.

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<v Speaker 1>The self help Pantidote is Bobby's I'll do it. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do it for him. Self Help Pantidot is Bobby's podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that still in a holding pattern at the moment?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I'll be once once I'm done relocating and

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<v Speaker 2>getting past all my exams. Sometime around mid May, I

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<v Speaker 2>will be launching another season of.

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<v Speaker 1>That Get the Up but a coup. Well, he can

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<v Speaker 1>be heard here every week. So there's that, There's Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Capuccio dot com. There's that, And very soon he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be living in the middle of the wilderness and

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<v Speaker 1>I am sure he would love guests, So stand by

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<v Speaker 1>for that address that'll be forthcoming.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Bunny, good talking. He as always see you, buddy,