WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 6 February 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.040 On scoring lives Ostrodia. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:07.280 This is the Wider Panalty Show. 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.119 Good evening and welcome to the reader. Patty Show. 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.920 Coming up tonight, we have a massive program for you. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.600 We've saved the best for Lass would be great. Douglas 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:20.239 Murray joining me shortly. Nick Kata will bring us the 0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:26.880 latest local international headlines, including Adam Bann's latest Trump induced meltdown. 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:31.040 Also joining me tonight, Kinsey Schofield and a new face 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:35.760 Jonathan Sacerdoti and left He's Losing It features more than 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.840 a one hysterical Democrat shut. 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:44.880 Down the set were we will, when we. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:51.440 Will, When we will rest. Let's bring in Mensis Research 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:56.600 Center Senior fellow, Nick Kata. Nick, We'll start with Treasurer 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.760 Jim Chalmers. He's been talking to the big end of 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:04.040 his whole business leaders at a closed door meeting with 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.920 the Business Council of Australia in Canberra that he wants 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.000 to make it easier to invest, easier to hire, easier 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.200 to trade and easier to do business in Australia. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.240 He said he's going to do this by cutting red tape. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:20.640 This follows a number of. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:26.920 Industry groups expressing serious concerns about labour's economic credentials, particularly 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:34.000 labour's crippling net zero obsessions. Can modern labor go from 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:38.480 a high taxing, high regulation party into one that is 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:39.400 pro business. 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.639 There's plenty of red tape to cut, of course, reader, 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.679 much of which Jim Charmers has been responsible for putting 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:49.600 in place in his colleagues. So look, I applaud the instinct, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.000 and I also applaud the fact that they're going to 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.920 look at using AI artificial intelligence more because this is 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.840 a government that certainly lacks intelligence a lot of the time. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.320 And I did have this idea, perhaps they could even 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:04.840 plug the Prime Minister into some AI machine that he 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:08.120 might actually say something that is vaguely useful, you know, 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.680 he might actually answer questions, significant questions with the help 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.560 of chat, GPT or something plugged into him. So look, 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.480 I mean it's the same old, same ol, isn't it. 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.360 You know, don't forget what we've done for the last 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.800 three years. Just listen to what we're promising to do 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.040 for the next I think Australians learned their lesson about 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.120 that in twenty twenty two. 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.680 Well you're so right, because not only have we seen 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.680 an increase in red tape. We've seen now an increase 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.800 in green tape black tape. This is not a pro 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.680 business government in any sense of the words. So we 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:47.680 would have to see a fairly dramatic turnaround from their 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:49.480 first term in government. 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:52.559 Let's see now from Green's leader Adam. 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:58.080 Band who had another Trump induced tantrum over President's plans 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.560 to rebuild Gaza is wrong. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:06.320 This is the end of international law. This is Donald 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:13.639 Trump talking about the takeover of another country, potentially by 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:20.000 force australianment. The Australian government must make it clear that 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:24.480 it opposes this move that is in clear violation of 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:25.360 international law. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:28.200 The end of international law. 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:32.320 No hyperbole there, and he wants the Albanza government to 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:33.040 step in. 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.160 Nick, what is Adam banter suggesting. 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:40.200 That well, international law he claims to the breach, but 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:45.720 surely reata you put a suggestion in your head. I 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:47.800 think it's time to make left. He's losing it a 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:52.000 twenty four to seven segment because under Donald Trump he 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.240 is generating so much of it, but not only in 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:57.320 America but on this side of the Pacific too, that 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.200 surely you must be full of ideas for content with 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.160 stuff like Adam bamppor Daily and his colleagues. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.400 You could just do a whole segment devoted to the 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.440 Greens here in Australia if you really wanted to. Every 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.160 single day they are providing content of left is losing it, 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:20.680 But Adam Band does have some support from far left 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:25.479 idea logues like the thoroughly ridiculous Francesca Albanesi, who was 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.960 given a platform to spew her anti Trump, anti Israel 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.680 nonsense on where else but the ABC here she is 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.760 on Radio National this morning. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.400 This is nonsense and at the same time it cannot 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:46.680 be ignored because it's absolutely afterly I'm lawful. This is 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:50.760 what indigenous people do. They stick to the land because 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.159 the land is not where they live. The land is 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.080 who they are and this is why the Palestinians are 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:57.120 not going anywhere. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:57.839 Nick. 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.760 I do wonder if she's confused about her the actual 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.479 indigenous population of that region is. And I've got to 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:10.800 wonder why the ABAC give airtime to this woman who's accusing. 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:12.719 Australia and Israel of genocide. 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:17.320 Would you say the same thing of the aboriginal genocide 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.240 in Australia. So excuse me, I mean there is increased 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.280 there is there has never been such a consensus of 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:31.480 human rights organization in genocide scholars and others that this 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.479 is genocide. However, keep on telling what you think, but 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.560 this is a genocide. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:38.839 Nick, what are the ABAC thinking? 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.760 Well, certainly the ABC company line, isn't it. And you know, 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:45.760 I was beginning to think back she was actually an 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.600 actual host. She's in there so often, and I take 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:53.200 it to Francesca Albanesi. No relation, surely, but I think 0:05:53.480 --> 0:06:00.640 she's echoing anti in extreme views about abage and sovereignty 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.799 or shall I say first nation sovereignty, Sorry that she's 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.960 just echoing really what Albanezi has said. And if you remember, 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:12.400 I mean she intruded in a quite inappropriate way as 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.760 a UN representative during the voice debate, in a domestic 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.679 political debate, and I think she's you know, of course, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:21.200 it would be nice to ask for her to be 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:24.320 recalled and taken back home, but I think she's probably 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.599 not even extreme enough for some people at the UN. 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:33.960 Now, US President Donald Trump has signed a hugely significant 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:39.080 executive order today banning biological men from competing in women's sport. 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.839 Female athletes have been forced onto the front lines and 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.719 men claiming to be girls have stolen more than three thousand, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.200 five hundred victories, that's a lot, and invaded more than 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.120 eleven thousand competitions designed for women. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.440 Nick, this is a momentous stay for girls for women, 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.599 and any feminist who actually cares about women's rights should 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.680 be celebrating. 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.799 This move absolutely. And I was in Washington for the inauguration, 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.560 as you know, and because I couldn't get into the 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.600 official events that you were at, I was watching it 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:14.960 in the sports bar. And the biggest cheer of the 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.320 day during the inauguration speech was when he announced the 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.920 two gender policy. People were so excited about that one 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.160 woman had tears in her eyes. So this is an 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.040 issue which, although you know, doesn't get talked about hardly 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.680 at all in the mainstream media in any frank way, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:36.280 but ordinary people, most Americans and most Australians believe this 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:41.520 is such absolute common sense that really, I mean, why 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.480 should the president even have to say it? But unfortunately 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.600 he does because our sense of up and reality has 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:52.360 been so distorted in the last fifteen years, which. 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.360 Begs the question, while we're not seeing the coalition, while 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:56.440 we're not seeing Peter. 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.280 Darton lean into this issue. 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.760 There was a piece on the ABC saying that he's 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.720 been encouraged to do that, even the National Party wants 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.520 him to do that, and he's declining. And I can't 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:12.560 see the rationale here because this is an issue where 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.080 eighty percent plus are on the same page, and we're 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:20.680 talking about labor voters. Certainly conservative voters are sick of 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.640 the excesses of the trans movement, off sick of all 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.920 this gender nonsense. So why do we have both the 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:32.480 Coalition and labor to frighten to tackle this issue. 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.400 I think it has been made. It's been turned into 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:39.000 such a hot political and nasty political issue by the 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.800 trans lobby that I think that there is some reluctance 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.000 in the Liberal Party amongst senior advisors to go there 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.120 if they don't have to. But I would say to 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.839 Peter Dunnan, and I know he's a great fan of 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.720 the show, so he'll no doubt be watching, Please have 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.720 every confidence in doing this because you're going to you 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.800 know you, of course you're going to get torn to 0:08:57.800 --> 0:08:59.920 shreds in the City Morning Herald and on the ABS 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.520 and the Guardian and all these other places, but in 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:05.240 the everywhere else in Australia. In the places where people 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.960 will actually vote for you, they will be applauding. 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:14.360 Absolutely, don't be scared to pick a fight with the media. 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:18.000 I think that's a lesson that our politicians can learn 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:24.120 from the US, Canada, Argentina, increasing number of countries around 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:28.480 the world where the politicians are just boldly challenging that 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.400 media narrative and not worried about the backlash. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:32.520 Before you go. 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.680 New South Wales Housing Minister Rose Jackson has been caught 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.160 up in the taxpayer funded chauffeur cas scandal. 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:41.800 Here's what she had to say earlier today. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.560 I didn't even know I was going away, certainly didn't 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.840 know any of the details, had nothing to do with 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.360 planning the logistics, had nothing to do with any of 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:52.200 the bookings, had no knowledge of any of those arrangements. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.200 Just seems to know nothing about anything there you go. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.960 Might remember this minister from a couple of months ago 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.880 when she seemed to think that to rent a two 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.600 bedroom apartment in Sydney would only cost a couple of. 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:08.240 Hundred dollars a week. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.439 She doesn't seem to be familiar with her own portfolio 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.560 or her own arrangements. 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.640 Should she step down, Nick. 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:19.080 I think she should definitely step down, but I think 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:21.600 more than that, I think they should look at disendorsing 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.640 her because you know, Labour is supposed to be the 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.560 party of the people, right, the workers, the ordinary people. 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.320 She's clearly not one of those. You know, she grew 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.240 up in a I guess a privileged home as the 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:35.320 daughter of an ABC presenter, so you know, I mean, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.800 good honor. She's a nice lady and all that, but 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.880 she's completely an absolutely out of touch, not just with 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.200 the pub in the pub test, but any sort of 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.920 common sense test at all. And she's really going to 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:50.840 continue to do Labor more harm than good in a 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.880 frontline role like that, Nick Kate. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:55.920 I thank you for your time today. 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.480 Thank you Joining me now as he does every week, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.160 is best selling author Douglas Murray Douglas. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.440 It's hard to know where to start. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.920 So much has happened this week with President Oald Trump's 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.240 executive orders, including pulling the US out of the UN 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.520 Human Rights Council, cutting funding for ANWAH, and now this 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.800 groundbreaking plan to rebuild Gaza. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:20.360 What do you make of it all? 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:24.240 And is this serious about the US taking over Gaza 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.000 or is it a negotiation strategy. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.079 Well, first of all, I mean all of these presidential 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:37.160 orders and directives are I think fantastic. Pulling the US 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.880 out of the so called UN Human Rights Council is 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:45.240 a bare minimum thing. Anyone who's spent any time looking 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:50.160 at or sitting through the Alice in Wonderland procedures at 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.800 the UN Human Rights Council will realize that no self 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.400 respecting liberal democracy should have anything to. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:55.920 Do with it. 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.920 Sort of place where North Korea denounces Australia for it 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:05.240 treatment of women and the Iranian regime talks about the 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:08.960 importance of not nuclear non proliferation and all that sort 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:14.080 of thing. There's absolutely it's an absolute fantasy land, and 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.520 it's always been a farce, and I don't really see 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:20.520 why America or any other self respecting democracy should have anything. 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:21.160 Much to do with it. 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.600 As for the Gaza announcements this week, they certainly break 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.400 the paradigm, don't they. RITA. 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.720 The current thinking on Gaza, as far as there was any, 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.560 was that having started another war. 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:41.200 Against Israel in October twenty twenty three, just the latest 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.680 of many wars that Hamasaran Gaza started against Israel since 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:51.439 Israel withdrew from Gaza in five. The main thinking was, well, 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:57.079 after they've lost again, everyone should just pay more billions 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.800 to really build Gaza and hand it back to the 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:03.280 Palestinians of Gaza so that they can start another war 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:07.040 in a few years time, when they've rearmed and made 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:11.160 their leadership a bit much richer. And I didn't think 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.439 that was a viable idea. I don't actually think very 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:18.240 many international players thought it was a very viable idea, 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:19.360 but it was. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.840 Sort of the only idea that anyone had on the table. 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.840 Trump has said what is completely true, which is Gaza 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:31.120 isn't especially livable these days. You'll remember, viewers will remember 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:35.040 that all of our taxpayer dollars and pounds and euros 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:39.440 that were sent to Hamas run Gaza were mainly used 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.319 to buy luxury apartments for the Hamas leadership in Katar, 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:48.360 and also, of course, very importantly to build the huge 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:53.079 underground tunnel network in which the Hamaz. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.559 Authorities could protect their. 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:59.800 Rockets and make sure that they were safe as possible, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.800 and of course also then hold young Jewish babies and 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:11.800 others captive. All of this was they ruined the Gaza. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.160 And you know my view Rita. There is a price 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:18.199 to be paid. There always has been historically for starting 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.440 wars again and again against your neighbors and then losing them. 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.560 And as lost this war, it's in the final processes 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.200 of losing it. And I think it's perfectly appropriate they 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.560 should lose land. That's what always happens in war, and 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.280 that's why you shouldn't start a war. And it's almost 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:36.960 as if there's a lesson there isn't there. 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:44.120 Indeed, it's also becoming increasingly clear that the Saudi Israel 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.640 peace steel is going to move ahead and it's not 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:51.440 going to be conditional on Palestinian statehood. That was a 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:56.480 conventional wisdom for many years that any Arab Israeli normalization 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.560 was conditional on Palestinian state who Trump turned that on 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.200 its head during his first term. 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.640 There seems to be continuing with that. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:10.400 And as for the plans to relocate the Ghazans, Donald 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:15.040 Trump has floated the idea of Egypt or Jordan taking 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.240 in people from Gaza. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:17.920 But you have another idea, Douglas. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.760 You wrote in the New York Post that perhaps countries 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.280 like Ireland and Canada and Pakistan and those who seem 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.240 to say they care so much about the Palestinians, maybe 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:29.280 they should step forward. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.320 Oh yeah, I mean it's perfectly obvious that Jordan and 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:39.200 Egypt should take in large numbers of the population from Gaza, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.480 partly because, I mean, in Egypt's case, it has a 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:46.320 historic responsibility over Gaza, historic responsibility that it has ignored 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.400 in recent decades. But they used to own and run 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.640 the Gaza, and they should be really good at looking 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:57.680 after much of the population of the donated strip. As 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:02.760 for Jordan, it's pretty much Palestinian state anyway, and Queen 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.600 Rania has been very vocal about how much she cares 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.920 about the Palestinians. In the last fifteen months, didn't seem 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.840 to care so much about the war that they started 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.760 against Israel. But I think Queen Rania now has a 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:20.240 fantastic opportunity. She has many, many palaces, Queen Rania of Jordan, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.720 and this is a great opportunity to relocate those nighted 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:28.640 Gazans to some of her palaces. As for Ireland, Pakistan, 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:33.440 Canada and other countries, yes, you know, if they care 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.240 so much about the Palestinian people who keep on starting 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.080 wars that they lose, then I think it's a great 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.120 opportunity to take some of these people in in very 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:45.000 large numbers. And I'm sure that the as I said 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.080 in the New York Posts, I'm sure that the Palestinians 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:53.240 from Gaza will help their countries that receive them to 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.480 boom in their own special and indeed traditional way. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.640 I just wish you wouldn't give this sort of advice, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.200 because our government here in Australia is silly enough. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:06.160 To actually take it. 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.600 We are one of the very few places, perhaps the 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.680 only place in the world that's taken thousands in from 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.600 an area where you would have to suggest that cannot 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.200 be vetted properly. You don't know if these people are 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:20.720 sympathetic to her Maas or not. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.440 Now let's talk about the UK. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.960 Where we are seeing some extraordinary polling numbers showing that 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.639 Nigel Farage's Reform is ahead now of the Tories in 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.640 every major national poll, and Reform is also a head 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:41.240 of Labor in the latest Ugov pole. Will Nigel Farage 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:46.119 be the UK's Donald Trump? You could argue he's already 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.320 achieved that with his role in Brexit, But can you 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.320 see him as a future prime minister? 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.840 We'll see. I mean, it's a fascinating situation. 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:00.879 Reform is a really very new political party and it 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.960 has already overtaken in the polls the most successful and 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:10.000 oldest political party in the UK, the Conservative Party. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.200 You know, it's an extraordinary set of events. I think 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.320 there's a demonstration here of a number of things. The 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:21.240 first is the inect manner in which the Labor Party 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.879 is trying to govern the UK. They've done absolutely nothing 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.879 to improve living standards or indeed Britain's reputation domestically or 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:33.359 abroad since coming into our office. It's inevitable that a 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:36.360 lot of people notice that and would like protest vote. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.679 The interesting thing for Nigel Paraij and Reform is whether 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:42.080 they can be more than a protest vote, and that 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.200 will depend to a great extent on who Faraij surrounds 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:50.000 himself with as the party grows. It's a very important 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.840 but perilous moment in politics when a party grows very 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.040 fast like this, because inevitably what needs to happen is 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.879 there needs to be a big support structure around that party. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:06.120 But yes, there's of course four years more than four 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.840 years to go until an election has to be called. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:09.639 In the UK. 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:11.480 But it's exciting. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:13.359 I mean, yes, as you say, there's a sort of 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:17.359 insurgency feel similar to that that led to the election 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.399 of Donald Trump. And I think people will be looking 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:23.960 for anyone who can show how they can be better governed, 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.920 because it's hard to see how they could be worse governed. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:35.320 You wrote about the labor boasting about Britain's soft power. 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.560 Why are they doing that? What is there to be 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.639 achieved by boasting about soft power? 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:45.399 Surely, if you have it, you don't need to be 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:46.320 bragging about it. 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:49.680 Yes, that's one of things I pointed out. 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:53.000 If you go around saying look at my soft power, 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:57.280 here me raw, it's a slightly embarrassing situation to be in. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:02.200 David Lammy, the great genius who is the British Foreign Secretary, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.880 has set up a soft power committee. I mean, as 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:10.040 you know, Rita, there's there's no major issue that can't 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:14.360 be improved by setting up a committee of third rate 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.680 tango crats. And they're apparently looking into the importance of 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:23.560 British soft power, which they think is underutilized. I think 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:28.240 the countries, broadly speaking, talk about soft power when they 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:33.679 were when their hard power has effectively wilted and not only, 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.240 as I pointed out, has Britain's hard power wilted, It's 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.200 soft power has wilted as well, because much of the 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.280 money and foreign aid and much more that the British 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.960 taxpayer dolls around the globe doesn't actually go to sort 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:51.080 of soft power initiatives, and it doesn't go to you know, 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:58.200 productions of Shakespeare plays in Swaziland. It goes to funding 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:03.080 bananas sort of gender woo woo stuff in South America, 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:07.880 or you know, looking into the prevalence of racism in 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:08.840 the Brazil. 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:10.000 And I'm not kidding. 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.880 Those are the sort of things that British foreign aid 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:15.880 has gone to pay for in recent years. So yes, 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.560 I don't think there's much that can be gained by 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:23.720 David Lammy's initiative, if you can call it that. But 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:27.320 I also think that it's very interesting to watch when countries, 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:29.399 and this is another thing that Trump administration has been 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:34.679 looking into with USAID, when countries end up splurging money 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:39.760 around the globe and the money they're splurging actually is 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:44.280 on projects which to a significant extent, are against the 0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.639 people who are funding the projects. You know, you're in trouble, 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.560 and that's to a great extent where British foreign aid 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.399 funding goes, sometimes it goes to countries with regions that 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.800 are richer than regions of the United Kingdom, and I 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:03.160 think that's ridiculous. So I wish that David Lamoney would 0:22:03.160 --> 0:22:07.600 apply his hard thinking to somewhat harder question. 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:08.800 Douglas. 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:13.080 One of the underreported reasons for Donald Trump's big win 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:17.080 was his vow to clean up institutions like the FBI 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:20.920 to tackle the lawfare, the two tier justice system we've 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.719 spoken about so often on this program, and we've got 0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:28.600 a further insight into just how deep rooted these issues 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:31.840 are with the revelations this week that the FBI had 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:37.520 assigned more than five thousand employees to January sixth investigations. 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:41.400 They're only around thirteen thousand FBI agents thirty eight thousand 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:46.760 FBI employees in total, Douglas. This goes further than the FBI. 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:51.639 It's evident that Trump two point zero bears only a 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:56.479 passing resemblance to Trump one point oh. He is going 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:01.399 scorched earth in cleaning up the bureaucras and it's sane really, 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:05.879 as a critical move to achieve every other objective. 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:08.120 I think that's right. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:10.840 I think that it's been striking in the opening days 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.840 and now weeks of Trump two point zero that there 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.680 is a sort of seriousness of intent and also of 0:23:18.840 --> 0:23:20.200 carrying out that intent. 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:22.119 You're right, Reata. 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:26.160 I mean, there are institutions after institution in the US, 0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:30.640 as in all of our countries that have become bloated, politicized, 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:35.040 and much more. And it seems clear that Trump this 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.399 time around is really not only intent on changing that, 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:42.360 but seems to know how to do so. But revelations 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:45.480 like this about the FBI, I mean, really should surprise 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.679 no one. One of the reasons why Trump spoke in 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:54.240 recent years to such an enormous number of the American 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:58.760 people was they saw the way in which institutions had 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:02.120 become politicized. I mean, you know, many of us don't 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:05.480