1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: On scoring lives Ostrodia. 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 2: This is the Wider Panalty Show. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the reader. Patty Show. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 4: Coming up tonight, we have a massive program for you. 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 4: We've saved the best for Lass would be great. Douglas 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 4: Murray joining me shortly. Nick Kata will bring us the 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 4: latest local international headlines, including Adam Bann's latest Trump induced meltdown. 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 4: Also joining me tonight, Kinsey Schofield and a new face 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 4: Jonathan Sacerdoti and left He's Losing It features more than 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 4: a one hysterical Democrat shut. 11 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 5: Down the set were we will, when we. 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 4: Will, When we will rest. Let's bring in Mensis Research 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 4: Center Senior fellow, Nick Kata. Nick, We'll start with Treasurer 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers. He's been talking to the big end of 15 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 4: his whole business leaders at a closed door meeting with 16 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 4: the Business Council of Australia in Canberra that he wants 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 4: to make it easier to invest, easier to hire, easier 18 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 4: to trade and easier to do business in Australia. 19 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 3: He said he's going to do this by cutting red tape. 20 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: This follows a number of. 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 4: Industry groups expressing serious concerns about labour's economic credentials, particularly 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 4: labour's crippling net zero obsessions. Can modern labor go from 23 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 4: a high taxing, high regulation party into one that is 24 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 4: pro business. 25 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,639 Speaker 6: There's plenty of red tape to cut, of course, reader, 26 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 6: much of which Jim Charmers has been responsible for putting 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 6: in place in his colleagues. So look, I applaud the instinct, 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 6: and I also applaud the fact that they're going to 29 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 6: look at using AI artificial intelligence more because this is 30 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 6: a government that certainly lacks intelligence a lot of the time. 31 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 6: And I did have this idea, perhaps they could even 32 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 6: plug the Prime Minister into some AI machine that he 33 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 6: might actually say something that is vaguely useful, you know, 34 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 6: he might actually answer questions, significant questions with the help 35 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 6: of chat, GPT or something plugged into him. So look, 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 6: I mean it's the same old, same ol, isn't it. 37 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 6: You know, don't forget what we've done for the last 38 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 6: three years. Just listen to what we're promising to do 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 6: for the next I think Australians learned their lesson about 40 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 6: that in twenty twenty two. 41 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 4: Well you're so right, because not only have we seen 42 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 4: an increase in red tape. We've seen now an increase 43 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 4: in green tape black tape. This is not a pro 44 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 4: business government in any sense of the words. So we 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 4: would have to see a fairly dramatic turnaround from their 46 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 4: first term in government. 47 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,559 Speaker 3: Let's see now from Green's leader Adam. 48 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 4: Band who had another Trump induced tantrum over President's plans 49 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 4: to rebuild Gaza is wrong. 50 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 7: This is the end of international law. This is Donald 51 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 7: Trump talking about the takeover of another country, potentially by 52 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 7: force australianment. The Australian government must make it clear that 53 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 7: it opposes this move that is in clear violation of 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 7: international law. 55 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: The end of international law. 56 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 4: No hyperbole there, and he wants the Albanza government to 57 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: step in. 58 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: Nick, what is Adam banter suggesting. 59 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 6: That well, international law he claims to the breach, but 60 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 6: surely reata you put a suggestion in your head. I 61 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 6: think it's time to make left. He's losing it a 62 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 6: twenty four to seven segment because under Donald Trump he 63 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 6: is generating so much of it, but not only in 64 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 6: America but on this side of the Pacific too, that 65 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 6: surely you must be full of ideas for content with 66 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 6: stuff like Adam bamppor Daily and his colleagues. 67 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 4: You could just do a whole segment devoted to the 68 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 4: Greens here in Australia if you really wanted to. Every 69 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 4: single day they are providing content of left is losing it, 70 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 4: But Adam Band does have some support from far left 71 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,479 Speaker 4: idea logues like the thoroughly ridiculous Francesca Albanesi, who was 72 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 4: given a platform to spew her anti Trump, anti Israel 73 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 4: nonsense on where else but the ABC here she is 74 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 4: on Radio National this morning. 75 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 8: This is nonsense and at the same time it cannot 76 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 8: be ignored because it's absolutely afterly I'm lawful. This is 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 8: what indigenous people do. They stick to the land because 78 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 8: the land is not where they live. The land is 79 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 8: who they are and this is why the Palestinians are 80 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 8: not going anywhere. 81 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: Nick. 82 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: I do wonder if she's confused about her the actual 83 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 4: indigenous population of that region is. And I've got to 84 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 4: wonder why the ABAC give airtime to this woman who's accusing. 85 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: Australia and Israel of genocide. 86 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 8: Would you say the same thing of the aboriginal genocide 87 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 8: in Australia. So excuse me, I mean there is increased 88 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 8: there is there has never been such a consensus of 89 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 8: human rights organization in genocide scholars and others that this 90 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 8: is genocide. However, keep on telling what you think, but 91 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 8: this is a genocide. 92 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 3: Nick, what are the ABAC thinking? 93 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 6: Well, certainly the ABC company line, isn't it. And you know, 94 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 6: I was beginning to think back she was actually an 95 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 6: actual host. She's in there so often, and I take 96 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 6: it to Francesca Albanesi. No relation, surely, but I think 97 00:05:53,480 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 6: she's echoing anti in extreme views about abage and sovereignty 98 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 6: or shall I say first nation sovereignty, Sorry that she's 99 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 6: just echoing really what Albanezi has said. And if you remember, 100 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 6: I mean she intruded in a quite inappropriate way as 101 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 6: a UN representative during the voice debate, in a domestic 102 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,679 Speaker 6: political debate, and I think she's you know, of course, 103 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 6: it would be nice to ask for her to be 104 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 6: recalled and taken back home, but I think she's probably 105 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 6: not even extreme enough for some people at the UN. 106 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 4: Now, US President Donald Trump has signed a hugely significant 107 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 4: executive order today banning biological men from competing in women's sport. 108 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 9: Female athletes have been forced onto the front lines and 109 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 9: men claiming to be girls have stolen more than three thousand, 110 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 9: five hundred victories, that's a lot, and invaded more than 111 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 9: eleven thousand competitions designed for women. 112 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 4: Nick, this is a momentous stay for girls for women, 113 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 4: and any feminist who actually cares about women's rights should 114 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 4: be celebrating. 115 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 6: This move absolutely. And I was in Washington for the inauguration, 116 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 6: as you know, and because I couldn't get into the 117 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 6: official events that you were at, I was watching it 118 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 6: in the sports bar. And the biggest cheer of the 119 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 6: day during the inauguration speech was when he announced the 120 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 6: two gender policy. People were so excited about that one 121 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 6: woman had tears in her eyes. So this is an 122 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 6: issue which, although you know, doesn't get talked about hardly 123 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 6: at all in the mainstream media in any frank way, 124 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 6: but ordinary people, most Americans and most Australians believe this 125 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 6: is such absolute common sense that really, I mean, why 126 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 6: should the president even have to say it? But unfortunately 127 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 6: he does because our sense of up and reality has 128 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 6: been so distorted in the last fifteen years, which. 129 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 4: Begs the question, while we're not seeing the coalition, while 130 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: we're not seeing Peter. 131 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: Darton lean into this issue. 132 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 4: There was a piece on the ABC saying that he's 133 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: been encouraged to do that, even the National Party wants 134 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: him to do that, and he's declining. And I can't 135 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: see the rationale here because this is an issue where 136 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 4: eighty percent plus are on the same page, and we're 137 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 4: talking about labor voters. Certainly conservative voters are sick of 138 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 4: the excesses of the trans movement, off sick of all 139 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 4: this gender nonsense. So why do we have both the 140 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 4: Coalition and labor to frighten to tackle this issue. 141 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 6: I think it has been made. It's been turned into 142 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 6: such a hot political and nasty political issue by the 143 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 6: trans lobby that I think that there is some reluctance 144 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 6: in the Liberal Party amongst senior advisors to go there 145 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 6: if they don't have to. But I would say to 146 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 6: Peter Dunnan, and I know he's a great fan of 147 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 6: the show, so he'll no doubt be watching, Please have 148 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 6: every confidence in doing this because you're going to you 149 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 6: know you, of course you're going to get torn to 150 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 6: shreds in the City Morning Herald and on the ABS 151 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 6: and the Guardian and all these other places, but in 152 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 6: the everywhere else in Australia. In the places where people 153 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 6: will actually vote for you, they will be applauding. 154 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 4: Absolutely, don't be scared to pick a fight with the media. 155 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 4: I think that's a lesson that our politicians can learn 156 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 4: from the US, Canada, Argentina, increasing number of countries around 157 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 4: the world where the politicians are just boldly challenging that 158 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: media narrative and not worried about the backlash. 159 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: Before you go. 160 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 4: New South Wales Housing Minister Rose Jackson has been caught 161 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 4: up in the taxpayer funded chauffeur cas scandal. 162 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say earlier today. 163 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 7: I didn't even know I was going away, certainly didn't 164 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 7: know any of the details, had nothing to do with 165 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 7: planning the logistics, had nothing to do with any of 166 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 7: the bookings, had no knowledge of any of those arrangements. 167 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 4: Just seems to know nothing about anything there you go. 168 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 4: Might remember this minister from a couple of months ago 169 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 4: when she seemed to think that to rent a two 170 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 4: bedroom apartment in Sydney would only cost a couple of. 171 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 3: Hundred dollars a week. 172 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 4: She doesn't seem to be familiar with her own portfolio 173 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 4: or her own arrangements. 174 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: Should she step down, Nick. 175 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 6: I think she should definitely step down, but I think 176 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 6: more than that, I think they should look at disendorsing 177 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 6: her because you know, Labour is supposed to be the 178 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 6: party of the people, right, the workers, the ordinary people. 179 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 6: She's clearly not one of those. You know, she grew 180 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 6: up in a I guess a privileged home as the 181 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 6: daughter of an ABC presenter, so you know, I mean, 182 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 6: good honor. She's a nice lady and all that, but 183 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 6: she's completely an absolutely out of touch, not just with 184 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 6: the pub in the pub test, but any sort of 185 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 6: common sense test at all. And she's really going to 186 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 6: continue to do Labor more harm than good in a 187 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 6: frontline role like that, Nick Kate. 188 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: I thank you for your time today. 189 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 4: Thank you Joining me now as he does every week, 190 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 4: is best selling author Douglas Murray Douglas. 191 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: It's hard to know where to start. 192 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: So much has happened this week with President Oald Trump's 193 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: executive orders, including pulling the US out of the UN 194 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: Human Rights Council, cutting funding for ANWAH, and now this 195 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 4: groundbreaking plan to rebuild Gaza. 196 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: What do you make of it all? 197 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 4: And is this serious about the US taking over Gaza 198 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 4: or is it a negotiation strategy. 199 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 10: Well, first of all, I mean all of these presidential 200 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 10: orders and directives are I think fantastic. Pulling the US 201 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 10: out of the so called UN Human Rights Council is 202 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 10: a bare minimum thing. Anyone who's spent any time looking 203 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 10: at or sitting through the Alice in Wonderland procedures at 204 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 10: the UN Human Rights Council will realize that no self 205 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 10: respecting liberal democracy should have anything to. 206 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: Do with it. 207 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 10: Sort of place where North Korea denounces Australia for it 208 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 10: treatment of women and the Iranian regime talks about the 209 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 10: importance of not nuclear non proliferation and all that sort 210 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 10: of thing. There's absolutely it's an absolute fantasy land, and 211 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 10: it's always been a farce, and I don't really see 212 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 10: why America or any other self respecting democracy should have anything. 213 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: Much to do with it. 214 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 10: As for the Gaza announcements this week, they certainly break 215 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 10: the paradigm, don't they. RITA. 216 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: The current thinking on Gaza, as far as there was any, 217 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: was that having started another war. 218 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 10: Against Israel in October twenty twenty three, just the latest 219 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 10: of many wars that Hamasaran Gaza started against Israel since 220 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 10: Israel withdrew from Gaza in five. The main thinking was, well, 221 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 10: after they've lost again, everyone should just pay more billions 222 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 10: to really build Gaza and hand it back to the 223 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 10: Palestinians of Gaza so that they can start another war 224 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 10: in a few years time, when they've rearmed and made 225 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 10: their leadership a bit much richer. And I didn't think 226 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 10: that was a viable idea. I don't actually think very 227 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 10: many international players thought it was a very viable idea, 228 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 10: but it was. 229 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: Sort of the only idea that anyone had on the table. 230 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 10: Trump has said what is completely true, which is Gaza 231 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 10: isn't especially livable these days. You'll remember, viewers will remember 232 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 10: that all of our taxpayer dollars and pounds and euros 233 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 10: that were sent to Hamas run Gaza were mainly used 234 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 10: to buy luxury apartments for the Hamas leadership in Katar, 235 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 10: and also, of course, very importantly to build the huge 236 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 10: underground tunnel network in which the Hamaz. 237 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 1: Authorities could protect their. 238 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 10: Rockets and make sure that they were safe as possible, 239 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 10: and of course also then hold young Jewish babies and 240 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 10: others captive. All of this was they ruined the Gaza. 241 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 10: And you know my view Rita. There is a price 242 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 10: to be paid. There always has been historically for starting 243 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 10: wars again and again against your neighbors and then losing them. 244 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 10: And as lost this war, it's in the final processes 245 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 10: of losing it. And I think it's perfectly appropriate they 246 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 10: should lose land. That's what always happens in war, and 247 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 10: that's why you shouldn't start a war. And it's almost 248 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 10: as if there's a lesson there isn't there. 249 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 4: Indeed, it's also becoming increasingly clear that the Saudi Israel 250 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 4: peace steel is going to move ahead and it's not 251 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 4: going to be conditional on Palestinian statehood. That was a 252 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 4: conventional wisdom for many years that any Arab Israeli normalization 253 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 4: was conditional on Palestinian state who Trump turned that on 254 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 4: its head during his first term. 255 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: There seems to be continuing with that. 256 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 4: And as for the plans to relocate the Ghazans, Donald 257 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 4: Trump has floated the idea of Egypt or Jordan taking 258 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 4: in people from Gaza. 259 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 3: But you have another idea, Douglas. 260 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: You wrote in the New York Post that perhaps countries 261 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 4: like Ireland and Canada and Pakistan and those who seem 262 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: to say they care so much about the Palestinians, maybe 263 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 4: they should step forward. 264 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I mean it's perfectly obvious that Jordan and 265 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 10: Egypt should take in large numbers of the population from Gaza, 266 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 10: partly because, I mean, in Egypt's case, it has a 267 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 10: historic responsibility over Gaza, historic responsibility that it has ignored 268 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 10: in recent decades. But they used to own and run 269 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 10: the Gaza, and they should be really good at looking 270 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 10: after much of the population of the donated strip. As 271 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 10: for Jordan, it's pretty much Palestinian state anyway, and Queen 272 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 10: Rania has been very vocal about how much she cares 273 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 10: about the Palestinians. In the last fifteen months, didn't seem 274 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 10: to care so much about the war that they started 275 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 10: against Israel. But I think Queen Rania now has a 276 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 10: fantastic opportunity. She has many, many palaces, Queen Rania of Jordan, 277 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 10: and this is a great opportunity to relocate those nighted 278 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 10: Gazans to some of her palaces. As for Ireland, Pakistan, 279 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 10: Canada and other countries, yes, you know, if they care 280 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 10: so much about the Palestinian people who keep on starting 281 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 10: wars that they lose, then I think it's a great 282 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 10: opportunity to take some of these people in in very 283 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 10: large numbers. And I'm sure that the as I said 284 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 10: in the New York Posts, I'm sure that the Palestinians 285 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 10: from Gaza will help their countries that receive them to 286 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 10: boom in their own special and indeed traditional way. 287 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 4: I just wish you wouldn't give this sort of advice, 288 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 4: because our government here in Australia is silly enough. 289 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 3: To actually take it. 290 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 4: We are one of the very few places, perhaps the 291 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 4: only place in the world that's taken thousands in from 292 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 4: an area where you would have to suggest that cannot 293 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 4: be vetted properly. You don't know if these people are 294 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 4: sympathetic to her Maas or not. 295 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: Now let's talk about the UK. 296 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: Where we are seeing some extraordinary polling numbers showing that 297 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 4: Nigel Farage's Reform is ahead now of the Tories in 298 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 4: every major national poll, and Reform is also a head 299 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 4: of Labor in the latest Ugov pole. Will Nigel Farage 300 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 4: be the UK's Donald Trump? You could argue he's already 301 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 4: achieved that with his role in Brexit, But can you 302 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 4: see him as a future prime minister? 303 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: We'll see. I mean, it's a fascinating situation. 304 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 10: Reform is a really very new political party and it 305 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 10: has already overtaken in the polls the most successful and 306 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 10: oldest political party in the UK, the Conservative Party. 307 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's an extraordinary set of events. I think 308 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: there's a demonstration here of a number of things. The 309 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: first is the inect manner in which the Labor Party 310 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: is trying to govern the UK. They've done absolutely nothing 311 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: to improve living standards or indeed Britain's reputation domestically or 312 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: abroad since coming into our office. It's inevitable that a 313 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: lot of people notice that and would like protest vote. 314 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: The interesting thing for Nigel Paraij and Reform is whether 315 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: they can be more than a protest vote, and that 316 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: will depend to a great extent on who Faraij surrounds 317 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: himself with as the party grows. It's a very important 318 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: but perilous moment in politics when a party grows very 319 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: fast like this, because inevitably what needs to happen is 320 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: there needs to be a big support structure around that party. 321 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: But yes, there's of course four years more than four 322 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: years to go until an election has to be called. 323 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 10: In the UK. 324 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: But it's exciting. 325 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 10: I mean, yes, as you say, there's a sort of 326 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 10: insurgency feel similar to that that led to the election 327 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 10: of Donald Trump. And I think people will be looking 328 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 10: for anyone who can show how they can be better governed, 329 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 10: because it's hard to see how they could be worse governed. 330 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 4: You wrote about the labor boasting about Britain's soft power. 331 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 4: Why are they doing that? What is there to be 332 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 4: achieved by boasting about soft power? 333 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: Surely, if you have it, you don't need to be 334 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 3: bragging about it. 335 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: Yes, that's one of things I pointed out. 336 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 10: If you go around saying look at my soft power, 337 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 10: here me raw, it's a slightly embarrassing situation to be in. 338 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 10: David Lammy, the great genius who is the British Foreign Secretary, 339 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,880 Speaker 10: has set up a soft power committee. I mean, as 340 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 10: you know, Rita, there's there's no major issue that can't 341 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 10: be improved by setting up a committee of third rate 342 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 10: tango crats. And they're apparently looking into the importance of 343 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 10: British soft power, which they think is underutilized. I think 344 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 10: the countries, broadly speaking, talk about soft power when they 345 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 10: were when their hard power has effectively wilted and not only, 346 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 10: as I pointed out, has Britain's hard power wilted, It's 347 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 10: soft power has wilted as well, because much of the 348 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 10: money and foreign aid and much more that the British 349 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 10: taxpayer dolls around the globe doesn't actually go to sort 350 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 10: of soft power initiatives, and it doesn't go to you know, 351 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 10: productions of Shakespeare plays in Swaziland. It goes to funding 352 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 10: bananas sort of gender woo woo stuff in South America, 353 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 10: or you know, looking into the prevalence of racism in 354 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 10: the Brazil. 355 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: And I'm not kidding. 356 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 10: Those are the sort of things that British foreign aid 357 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 10: has gone to pay for in recent years. So yes, 358 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 10: I don't think there's much that can be gained by 359 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 10: David Lammy's initiative, if you can call it that. But 360 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 10: I also think that it's very interesting to watch when countries, 361 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 10: and this is another thing that Trump administration has been 362 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 10: looking into with USAID, when countries end up splurging money 363 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 10: around the globe and the money they're splurging actually is 364 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 10: on projects which to a significant extent, are against the 365 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 10: people who are funding the projects. You know, you're in trouble, 366 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 10: and that's to a great extent where British foreign aid 367 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 10: funding goes, sometimes it goes to countries with regions that 368 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 10: are richer than regions of the United Kingdom, and I 369 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 10: think that's ridiculous. So I wish that David Lamoney would 370 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 10: apply his hard thinking to somewhat harder question. 371 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 3: Douglas. 372 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 4: One of the underreported reasons for Donald Trump's big win 373 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 4: was his vow to clean up institutions like the FBI 374 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 4: to tackle the lawfare, the two tier justice system we've 375 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 4: spoken about so often on this program, and we've got 376 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 4: a further insight into just how deep rooted these issues 377 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 4: are with the revelations this week that the FBI had 378 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 4: assigned more than five thousand employees to January sixth investigations. 379 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 4: They're only around thirteen thousand FBI agents thirty eight thousand 380 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 4: FBI employees in total, Douglas. This goes further than the FBI. 381 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 4: It's evident that Trump two point zero bears only a 382 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 4: passing resemblance to Trump one point oh. He is going 383 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 4: scorched earth in cleaning up the bureaucras and it's sane really, 384 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 4: as a critical move to achieve every other objective. 385 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: I think that's right. 386 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 10: I think that it's been striking in the opening days 387 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 10: and now weeks of Trump two point zero that there 388 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 10: is a sort of seriousness of intent and also of 389 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 10: carrying out that intent. 390 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: You're right, Reata. 391 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 10: I mean, there are institutions after institution in the US, 392 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 10: as in all of our countries that have become bloated, politicized, 393 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 10: and much more. And it seems clear that Trump this 394 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 10: time around is really not only intent on changing that, 395 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 10: but seems to know how to do so. But revelations 396 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 10: like this about the FBI, I mean, really should surprise 397 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 10: no one. One of the reasons why Trump spoke in 398 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 10: recent years to such an enormous number of the American 399 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 10: people was they saw the way in which institutions had 400 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 10: become politicized. I mean, you know, many of us don't 401 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 10: want them to be politicized from any angle. But if 402 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 10: a sort of Republican administration set thousands of FBI agents 403 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 10: against their political opponents, it would be as objectionable as 404 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 10: the Democrats doing that to Republicans. And you know, we 405 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 10: know the number of people who were you know, thrown 406 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 10: into jail for standing in Washington on January sixth, and 407 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 10: were not the people who did anything of the breaking 408 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 10: in and so on. And this was, of course, you know, 409 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 10: an example of the Democrats seizing a gift that they 410 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 10: felt was given to them, seizing that gift and just 411 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 10: running with it and politicizing it. And you know, if 412 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 10: that can stop, and agencies, federal agencies can actually get 413 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 10: down to doing their jobs, then anything could change. And 414 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 10: the best thing about it is that if Donald Trump 415 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,719 Speaker 10: shows that is possible in a mar America, maybe even 416 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 10: the Albanese government, the Starmer government and others, or whoever 417 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 10: replaces them, might realize that it's possible in our countries too. 418 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 4: Absolutely, that permanent bureaucracy, unelected bureaucracy, cannot be unaccountable. And 419 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 4: I think finally in the US we are seeing a 420 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 4: small reckoning happening in that area. Douglas Murray, thank you 421 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 4: so much for your time this evening. 422 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 10: Great to see you. 423 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 3: What's ever Rita still to come? 424 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: A lefty is losing it plus a Jewish intellectual abused 425 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 4: at a university debating event, Jonathan Sasha Dotty joins me next, 426 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 4: welcome back. Now it's time for lefties losing it. 427 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: You know, we are blessed to have. 428 00:25:55,320 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 4: Networks like MSNBC staffed by certifiable morons and pathology liars, 429 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 4: because they make my job just so easy. I just 430 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 4: have to watch a few minutes and the lefties losing it. 431 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 4: Content flows like the Mississippian spring. Here is a joy 432 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 4: Read being a hysterical banshee and using words she doesn't 433 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 4: seem to understand, like Coop. 434 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 11: We begin tonight with a full on crisis in our 435 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 11: democracy as federal workers are literally locked out of their 436 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 11: offices while operatives working for a private citizen essentially take 437 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 11: over our government. If this were happening in any other 438 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 11: country right now, I promise you I'd be on the 439 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 11: air calling it a coup and. 440 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 4: Joy Read, along with suffering from a severe case of 441 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: stage four TEDS, that's Trump's arrangement syndrome. She's also an 442 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 4: election denial and according to the left, that makes her 443 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 4: a threat to democracy. 444 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 12: They're even talking about like stealing an election and taking 445 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 12: me rethink whether I do believe like a machines can 446 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 12: be hack because I've always been like, you can't hack 447 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 12: the election machines. 448 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 11: But they're like convincing me, I don't know, maybe you can. 449 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. 450 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 13: I mean to me in this world. 451 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 3: Anything, it's possible. 452 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 13: I'm still I mean, there are all these conspiracy theories 453 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 13: out there about Trump and whether or not they cheated. 454 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 13: I know you say that they didn't, but I know 455 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 13: you kind of hacked. 456 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 12: I say they didn't. 457 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but I'm shaking with Fea, 458 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 4: with this dangerous democracy denial. 459 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 13: Elon Musk, you know, somehow using his tech connections. Because 460 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 13: I don't want to say genius, because we know he's not. 461 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 13: But those relationships or whatever, because they just seem too confident. 462 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 13: It just doesn't add up to me with all the 463 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 13: support that she had. And I know that for you 464 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,439 Speaker 13: and because of what happened with Fox, and because what 465 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 13: you do professionally with the network. You can't say it 466 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 13: was the machines or something like that. But if you 467 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 13: think it was the machines, but you can't say, just 468 00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 13: don't say anything. 469 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 3: See, this is what I'm saying. 470 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 12: I'm not saying anything. All I'm saying is no, there 471 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 12: are many ways to cheat in an election. And I 472 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 12: don't ever put it past Republicans to cheat in elections 473 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 12: because they've been busted too many times. 474 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 4: Let's hear now from a couple of women who are 475 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 4: likely to be MSNBC viewers. 476 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 3: Why do I say that? 477 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 4: Because they are uninformed, unhappy, and a little unhinged. 478 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 5: I took my kids to school today and just dropped 479 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 5: them off, and I just feel so sad, right, like 480 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 5: we all knew this was coming. And then I think 481 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 5: that yesterday was far worse than any of us could 482 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 5: be anticipated. And I took the day off to just 483 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 5: kind of protect my peace, and I plunged back it 484 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 5: in this morning. 485 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: And it's just so bad. 486 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 4: And here is a lady who is very forthright in 487 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 4: her opinions, except when faced with a fairly obvious but 488 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 4: inconvenient question. 489 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: Stop abuse of power? 490 00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 14: Yes? 491 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 10: And what regard. 492 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 14: Well with everything that's happening in our politics. 493 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: I think it's pretty straightforward, like with Trump. 494 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 14: Yes, it seems that money goes a long way right 495 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 14: now with our politicians and that needs to stop. 496 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: So would you say it was an abuse of power? 497 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 12: How they just like remove Joe Biden out the Democratic 498 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 12: primary and installed Kamala Harris. 499 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 14: You know, I don't know that I can comment on it. 500 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 9: Now. 501 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 3: Let's go to CNN. 502 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 4: We're even there, overwhelmingly left leaning panel and hosts are 503 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: left laughing at just how crazy the Democrats sound this week. 504 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: To our Republican colleagues, if you. 505 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 5: Do not see the light, we will bring the fire 506 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 5: with this. 507 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 3: We are going to be in your faith. We are 508 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: going to be on your asses. 509 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 5: We have days to stop the destruction of our democracy. 510 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 4: We have work to do. 511 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 10: Tell Elon Musk to take his hands off your money. 512 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 10: We don't pledge allegiance to the creepy twenty two year 513 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 10: olds working for Elon Musk. We pledge allegiance to the 514 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 10: United States of America. 515 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: Hey, God, damnagh down the seat. 516 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: We will win. 517 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 3: We will win, we. 518 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 1: Will we will rest. 519 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 4: We won't rest. 520 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 15: Yes, the Democratic Democrats need a real leader. Okay, they 521 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 15: need a real leader, which currently does not exist in 522 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 15: the Democratic Party. Trump has said all of these things 523 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 15: were going to happen. We saw him align with Elon Musk, 524 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 15: which may go down is the smartest thing that any 525 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 15: presidential candidate has ever done. 526 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 4: That's possibly the most irritating woman you'll hear from all week, 527 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 4: and that includes the ladies of the View and MSNBC's 528 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 4: not Late lineup. This is the definition of educated, but 529 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 4: dam privileged but pitiful. 530 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 16: Ways that Middlebury fails. Its students make this sobering truth 531 00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 16: abundantly clear. This is heartbreaking. If there's anything you hear 532 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 16: of what I'm saying, let it do this. When our 533 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 16: hosts break, let them break open like pomegranates and bursts 534 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 16: with seeds that can take group. We are literally graduating 535 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 16: the same month of fascists has taken office within eleven 536 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 16: DA's He's pulled out of the Paris Clime Agreement for 537 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 16: the second time, denied the existence of trans people, and 538 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 16: unleashed a flu of ice agents to arrest an average 539 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 16: of one thousand people every single day since they began. 540 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 3: Yes, but you just love the way she talks. 541 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 4: It's so effect deep that Paul Simpleton is wearing both 542 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 4: a kafa and a rainbow scarf. Mas suggests not trying 543 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 4: that sort of thing in Gaza lest you be thrown 544 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 4: off whatever tool structure remains. Now this privilege nincom Poop 545 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 4: mentioned her college Middlebury. 546 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 3: This is a colleague. That college charges. 547 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 4: Tuition of more than sixty seven thousand dollars per annum us, 548 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 4: and the housing and meal plan costs another nineteen thousand plus, 549 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 4: so almost ninety thousand dollars us per annum to produce 550 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 4: hysterical idiots. 551 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 16: Like this, such as the airstrike on the Oshufa ambulance 552 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,719 Speaker 16: and the flower massacre regardsans round to etrucks so they 553 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 16: can make bread and his really soldier has gotten them 554 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 16: down and most importantly, smiling from ear to ear with 555 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 16: a bunch of kids at the beauty of the sun's 556 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 16: setting over the horizon and thirdst Placement camp. I have 557 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 16: immense resources at the school and I use them now. 558 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 4: My next guest is a British broadcaster and commentator, and 559 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 4: he recently took part in an Oxford Union debate arguing 560 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 4: against the motion this House believes Israel is an apartheid 561 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 4: state responsible for genocide, and it didn't take long for 562 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 4: the students to disgrace themselves. 563 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: I might just say that I understand there are plenty 564 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 2: of people in this room who don't agree with us, 565 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: who don't like us, but this esteem establishment is meant 566 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: to be a bastion of free speech, discussion and debate, 567 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: and this example is not any of those things. To 568 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 2: shout like that, to abuse a speaker who is being 569 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 2: respectful and giving you their side of an argument, is 570 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 2: not the way to achieve better knowledge or understanding of anything. 571 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 4: That was a Jonathan such a dot tee and he 572 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 4: joins me, Now, Jonathan, you're an Oxford man yourself. How 573 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 4: shocked were you by the hostility the intolerance you faced 574 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 4: while arguing against that absurd motion that Israel is an 575 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 4: apartheid state and responsible for genocide. 576 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 14: Obviously it was a preposterous motion. It's like asking someone 577 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 14: to debate whether they raped and abused their wife. But 578 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 14: that aside. I was surprised by the outrageous behavior, not 579 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 14: just of the audience there, who seemed to have been 580 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 14: handpicked to cause trouble and to stop us from speaking, 581 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 14: but also by the organizer, who had done everything they 582 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 14: could to make sure that our reception was unpleasant and frosty. 583 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 14: They refused to even carry out the traditional photograph of 584 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 14: all the speakers at the beginning of the debate at 585 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 14: the dinner they held before it. Apparently they meant to 586 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 14: invite you to this dinner. They snubbed us, barely spoke 587 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 14: to us, so I think it was clear it was 588 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 14: more mean girls than bride'shead revisited when I went to 589 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 14: Oxford to return for that debate. 590 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it did seem to me a bit of a 591 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 4: stitch up all around, and you said there was a 592 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: fair bit of deception and dishonesty behind the planning and 593 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 4: the run up to the debate. You were personally abused. 594 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,400 Speaker 4: There was some shrieking woman I heard on the tape 595 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 4: who called you genocidal and other words I can't repeat here. 596 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,800 Speaker 4: Where does this deep hatred, dis deep seated hatred for Israel, 597 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 4: for Zionism come from? And is it just anti Semitism 598 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,959 Speaker 4: dressed up in a more acceptable name. 599 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 14: I think there were a few things that play here. 600 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 14: One was the inability of the students in that room 601 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,840 Speaker 14: to even engage in a civilized and informed debate, so 602 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 14: regardless of the subject, it was clear that their minds 603 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 14: weren't open. And that's what I said to them in 604 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 14: that clip that you played there, that even if you 605 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 14: invite somebody to debate something that you disagree with them on, 606 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 14: you maybe don't even like them based on their opinions, 607 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 14: but you should listen to what they have to say. 608 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 14: That's the whole point of being in a university. That's 609 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 14: the point of debating as an activity. It's so that 610 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 14: you can hear arguments on both sides and make up 611 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 14: your mind, perhaps educate yourself or inform yourself or even disagree, 612 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 14: but none of that was done respectfully. And I think 613 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 14: that those students there were viciously anti Israel, in my opinion, 614 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 14: because they were anti Semitic predominantly. They jeered when I 615 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 14: talked about anti Semitism. When I talked about my father, 616 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,320 Speaker 14: my late father's experience in Italy growing up during the Holocaust. 617 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 14: He was hidden from the Nazis Catholics by nuns who 618 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 14: kept him in a Catholic orphanage for nine months, and 619 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 14: that's why he survived the war. They rolled their eyes 620 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 14: when I told that story, and generally they were utterly 621 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 14: dismissive of not just the arguments in defense of Israel, 622 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 14: the only Jewish state in the world, but also anything 623 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 14: one said about being Jewish and the horrific atrocities that 624 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 14: were carried out on October seventh, which I pointed out 625 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 14: to them actually were a genocide. What Hamas and the 626 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,959 Speaker 14: Palestinian terrorists did on that day in twenty twenty three 627 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 14: was textbook case of genocide. They launched this indiscriminate attack 628 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 14: on mostly civilians, killing, raping, torturing and kidnapping them in 629 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 14: order to try to diminish the Jewish population of Israel. 630 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 14: They shouted as they did it that they were doing 631 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 14: this for ji Had and that they didn't mind dying 632 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 14: in the service of the nation of Islam. So I 633 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 14: think it's a pretty clear cut case of genocide in that. 634 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 4: Instance, and it was pretty shocked looking through that debate. 635 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 4: One of the people arguing against the motion along with yourself, asked, 636 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 4: if you were aware of October seven being planned, would 637 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 4: you have alerted authorities? And only around I think five 638 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 4: percent of students put up their hand and said yes, 639 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,920 Speaker 4: they would have alerted authorities, knowing full well that women 640 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 4: were raped, children were murdered. Just the absolute depravity that 641 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 4: took place that day. Now, let's talk about what's happened 642 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 4: in the last couple of days, the groundbreaking announcement from 643 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 4: President Trump after his meeting with Israel Prime Minister Israeli 644 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 4: Prime Minister Benjamin nettin Yahoo, Explain to me why you 645 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 4: believe this is a seismic shift that will redefine the 646 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 4: Middle East. 647 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 14: I wrote about this in my column in the Spectator 648 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 14: here in the UK, and I think that this is 649 00:37:55,120 --> 00:38:00,800 Speaker 14: a disruption of long entrenched, failed orthodoxies. It was unveiling 650 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 14: a vision that dared to reimagine the Middle East in 651 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 14: completely new ways. Along with benjaminette Nia, who the Israeli 652 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 14: Prime Minister, the two of them showed that the region 653 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 14: can break free of these decades of confusion and violence 654 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 14: which has been perpetuated by Palestinian rejectionism. It has been 655 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 14: decades that world leaders have clung to these exhausted formulas, 656 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,360 Speaker 14: peace processes built on illusions, and agreements predicated on fantasy, 657 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 14: and generally a willful refusal to acknowledge the fundamental realities 658 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 14: of Palestinian rejection of an Israeli Jewish state. I think 659 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 14: that everybody knows if there was the prospect of a 660 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 14: Palestinian leadership that could create a state and live side 661 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 14: by side with Israelis with Jews in the Middle East, 662 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,359 Speaker 14: then that would have happened long ago. But it's very 663 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 14: clear that that's never been the agenda of mainstream Palestinian 664 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 14: leaders and politicians, and that, of course, all came to 665 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 14: a head on October the seventh. So I think what 666 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 14: Donald Trump has done in expressing a desire to permanently 667 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 14: change that situation in Gaza, and indeed in rejecting the 668 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 14: very concept of a two state fantasy is entirely valid. 669 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 14: And I think that the rest of the world's got 670 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 14: to catch up with his thinking on this one. 671 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,719 Speaker 4: And Olald Trump hasn't just rejected the two state fantasy, 672 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 4: He's completely rejected the UN and it's bias in this area. 673 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 3: He has pulled the US out of the. 674 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,799 Speaker 4: UN Human Rights Council, He's cut funding to ANOA, he 675 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 4: wants a review of ENESCO again. And this is a 676 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 4: dramatic departure from what we've seen in the past. 677 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,839 Speaker 3: Jonathan, that's right. 678 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 14: He used another executive order to give this forceful rejection 679 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,760 Speaker 14: of those long standing UN biases against Israel. He removed 680 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 14: the financial and diplomatic support from institutions that have systematically 681 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 14: worked against Israel's legit in timacy on the world stage. 682 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 14: And the UN really has been doing that. The UN 683 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 14: has been effectively bolstering and supporting terrorism among the Palestinians. 684 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 14: So he cut all US funding to unreciting its infiltration 685 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 14: by designated terrorist groups. We've seen those links with Hamas, 686 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 14: We've seen that it's being corrupted by Hamas and other groups. 687 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 14: From October the seventh and beyond and He also made 688 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 14: sure that the US withdrew from the Human Rights Council, 689 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,240 Speaker 14: which Israel has now done as well, because that Council 690 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 14: seems obsessed with persecuting Israel. It has a permanent agenda 691 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,759 Speaker 14: item which is to attack Israel. No other state in 692 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 14: the entire world has that status, only Israel. So it's 693 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 14: blindingly obvious to anyone that looks at it that this 694 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 14: is a UN body which is designed not to protect 695 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,239 Speaker 14: human rights but actually to attack Israel as some sort 696 00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 14: of human rights abuser, worse than any other state on 697 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 14: the entire planet. It's quite ridiculous. And I think that 698 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,920 Speaker 14: Trump has done an amazing thing in signaling to the 699 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 14: world that, you know, the leader of the free world 700 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,439 Speaker 14: that America, at least under his leadership, is not going 701 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 14: to put up any longer with that kind of view 702 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 14: and activity. Even the Yenesco, which is meant to look 703 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 14: after culture, has been actively working against Israel by trying 704 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 14: to disassociate Jewish Israeli history from places like the Temple 705 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 14: mount on the Western Wall. 706 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 4: Jonathan Sacha, Dottie, thank you so much for your time 707 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 4: this evening. 708 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,320 Speaker 3: Thank you still to come. 709 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 4: Taylor Swift's boyfriend fawns over Donald Trump. 710 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 3: What would she think of that? Kinsey Schofield is up next. 711 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 4: Welcome back joining me now, celebrity and role commentator Kinsey Schofield. Kinsey, 712 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 4: the case brought forward by the Heritage Foundation questioning Prince 713 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 4: Harry's USA VSA has been officially reopened, and the judge 714 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 4: has expressed a willingness to release as much unredacted data 715 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 4: from Harry's sacred vasa records as possible. 716 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,240 Speaker 3: This could be very interesting. Indeed, that's right. 717 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,560 Speaker 17: Judge Nichols has seen the secret records himself, but they 718 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 17: are currently sealed. Per a personal source, the whole legal 719 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 17: battle could be terminated at a moment's notice if the 720 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 17: General Counsel at Homeland Security determines that Harry's visa status 721 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 17: was of sufficient public interest for purposes of transparency and 722 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 17: good governance to release the file. So it could happen 723 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 17: any second. 724 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:43,439 Speaker 12: Now. 725 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 17: I think that that's what's so interesting about this. It 726 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 17: could happen any day, any second. And I've been interviewed 727 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 17: about this a lot, and I think you've noticed this too. 728 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 17: Harry and Meghan's tone has changed when it comes to 729 00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 17: the new administration. They seem to be keeping a tightlet lately. 730 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 4: They do. If the Trump administration ultimately ends up deporting 731 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 4: Prince Harry, I might never stop laughing. That would just 732 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 4: be the most hilarious thing to ever happens. 733 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 3: Just could you just imagine that headline? 734 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,160 Speaker 4: So we'll be watching with baited breath to see what 735 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 4: happens next. 736 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Meghan mark All has been accused of virtue. 737 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:28,200 Speaker 4: Signaling and attention seeking again. This is after she posted 738 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,360 Speaker 4: a video to Instagram where she showed off a gift 739 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 4: she had acquired for a family that she became friendly 740 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 4: with after their home was destroyed by the LA Fires. 741 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 4: The gift was a Billie Eilish T shirt that the 742 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 4: singer herself had given Markle to pass on to the 743 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,839 Speaker 4: family for their daughter, Kinsey. This is a lovely thing, 744 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 4: but of course, did the whole thing need to be 745 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,200 Speaker 4: documented on camera and shared on social media For the 746 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 4: fiercely private Megan. 747 00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 3: She couldn't just do this nice gest suhirt quietly, amen. 748 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,560 Speaker 17: I mean, can you imagine Princess Diana recording a selfie 749 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 17: video name dropping George Michael to publicly announce something nice 750 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 17: she had done for basically a stranger, And you're a 751 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 17: mother of two. Why are you pretending like you don't 752 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,840 Speaker 17: know what a lunch box is? She holds up this 753 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,239 Speaker 17: Billy Eilish lunch box and she's like a lunch box. 754 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 17: I guess you've birthed two children that are in school. 755 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 17: I imagine you know what a lunch box is. But 756 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 17: you're right, stop name dropping and stop using tragedy to 757 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,280 Speaker 17: promote your brand. When is she going to learn a lesson? 758 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 4: Well, this seems to be their full time job right now, 759 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 4: just getting little bits of media coverage here and there. 760 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 4: We like to help them out where we can. Badn't 761 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 4: said to have any sort of meaningful employment beyond these videos. Now, 762 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 4: let's talk about Justin Baldoni's PR specialist, Jed Wallace, his 763 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,319 Speaker 4: firm Street Relations, Inc. Is suing Blake Lively for defamation 764 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 4: after she claimed Wallace and the company sexually harassed to 765 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 4: enabled others to sexually harass he, and breach day contract 766 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,680 Speaker 4: with her, amongst other alleged misconduct. 767 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,000 Speaker 3: What else can you tell me about this? 768 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:11,839 Speaker 11: Well? 769 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 17: I can tell you that this is now the fifth 770 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,759 Speaker 17: lawsuit associated with Blake versus Baldoni, and we're exhausted by 771 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 17: it now based on Justin's recent release of documents. An 772 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 17: expert I spoke to says Blake will fold. It's the 773 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 17: only way to save face. So I think, really the 774 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 17: countdown is on to see Blake and Ryan eat some 775 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,240 Speaker 17: humble pie because their brands have taken such a giant 776 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,640 Speaker 17: nosedive because of this and brands along with Megan Markle. 777 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,799 Speaker 17: A lot of it is about trust, and when you 778 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,120 Speaker 17: read Blake's allegations versus the receipts Justin Baldoni has released, 779 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 17: you start to question her truthfulness, You start to question 780 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 17: her honesty. 781 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 4: Well, this whole Sarka started when videos to merge of 782 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,720 Speaker 4: Black Live. They're being less than kind to a number 783 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,280 Speaker 4: of different people, including people interviewing her, and it seemed 784 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,239 Speaker 4: like to try to repair her damage, she came up 785 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,239 Speaker 4: with these wild allegations against Justin Baldoni, accusing him of 786 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 4: this pr campaign, accusing him of all sorts of other things, 787 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 4: and that has really undone her so much more. I 788 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,320 Speaker 4: think people would have forgiven and forgotten some of those 789 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 4: mean girl moments that we were exposed to, but not this, 790 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,360 Speaker 4: Because you're so right, this goes to her credibility as 791 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 4: a woman, coming up with these allegations that if they're 792 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 4: not accurate, it just detracts from every genuine victim who 793 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 4: actually faces this sort of treatment. Meanwhile, we've got Justin 794 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:55,200 Speaker 4: Baldoni's lawyer threatening to call Taylor Swift and get a 795 00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 4: deposition from her if Lively continues to be uncooperative. Swift 796 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 4: is said to have paid quite a role in this 797 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 4: hole and it ends with us, Saga, tell me about 798 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,440 Speaker 4: what role she played. 799 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 17: Well, Justin Baldoni walks us through this kind of confrontation 800 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,879 Speaker 17: that's had where Blake is trying to convince him that 801 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,280 Speaker 17: her script for the scene on the roof is better 802 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,879 Speaker 17: because Ryan Reynolds does it's better, and her friend who 803 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 17: happens to pop up in the middle of this meeting, 804 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 17: superstar Taylor Swift, also gives it that the thumbs up. 805 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,359 Speaker 17: So he felt like he was, you know, kind of 806 00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,439 Speaker 17: bullied into approving Blake's version of this script when he's 807 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,280 Speaker 17: supposed to be the director. This is his production company. 808 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 17: But I don't know if you knew this. A few 809 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,080 Speaker 17: days ago, their attorneys were in court and a judge 810 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 17: warned both parties stop trying this case in the media, 811 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 17: and you're seeing Baldoni's attorney defiantly disobeying the judge's recent orders. 812 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 17: My source says it's because they are so confident in 813 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 17: that the evidence is in Baldoni's favor that they're acting fearlessly. 814 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 17: But just to the super Bowl. I know we're going 815 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 17: to talk about Travis in a second. There are rumors 816 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 17: that Blake and Ryan will watch the super Bowl with 817 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 17: Taylor in New Orleans. Blake and Ryan, you know, friends 818 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 17: with Taylor, will also love New Orleans. It's my personal 819 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 17: opinion that if they are not there like they were 820 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,240 Speaker 17: the last time, that there is issues going on behind 821 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 17: the scenes with their friendship. Perhaps Taylor trying to distance 822 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 17: herself from Blake and Ryan. 823 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 4: Oh that's not what a BFF does. They stick with 824 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,440 Speaker 4: you when you're going through it that I dump you 825 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,760 Speaker 4: and just quickly on the super Bowl and Taylor Swift 826 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,120 Speaker 4: and her boyfriend NFL player Travis Kelsey. 827 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 3: Kelsey has said that it's. 828 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,640 Speaker 4: Awesome and a great honor that Donald Trump will be 829 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 4: attending the super Bowl. 830 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,440 Speaker 3: Now we know. 831 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 4: Swift has attacked Donald Trump more than once. She backed 832 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris in the recent election, so it's going to 833 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,839 Speaker 4: be interesting how she copes with her boyfriend being very 834 00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 4: open to Donald Trump, not just open, really being quite 835 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,759 Speaker 4: honored by his presence. We've run out of time, Kinsey Schofield. 836 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure. Thanks for your time, and that's 837 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 4: it from me. 838 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 3: I'll see you tomorrow. 839 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,840 Speaker 4: Night for lefties losing it at nine pm up next 840 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:15,920 Speaker 4: is Newsnight.