WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 9 September 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:05.680 Late welcome, Late plain. 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:10.360 Well, thanks for joining us. I'm James Macpherson with Liz 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.000 Storer and Caleb Bond coming up. Police complain that unisex 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:17.680 uniforms are damaging their ability to do their job. We'll 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:20.640 explain that fully a little later in the program. Plus, 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:23.800 when we look at the papers, attempts to declare every 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.080 creek in the New South Wales Shire as an Indigenous 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.840 sacred site, and the government and out sweeping reforms to 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.920 veterans affairs, all of that, as I said, when we 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.560 look at the papers. But first, if you've ever thought 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.320 environmentalism was a quasi religion, where you're going to love 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.000 this story. Climate chaplains are being employed in organizations to 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:50.600 help people deal with climate grief. NPR, that's National Public 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.280 Radio in America have reported the eco chaplain is a 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.520 twenty first century invention, and well, no one knows exactly 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.640 how many there are. Chaplaincy experts agree the number is 0:01:00.800 --> 0:01:04.840 likely less than one hundred. They have been operating in Australia, 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.840 the US, Canada and the UK. Now caleber lives you'll 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:13.480 be fascinated to learn these climate chaplains, novel spiritual leaders 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:18.080 have been developing spiritual rituals to help people close rituals 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.840 to help people deal with climate regret, that's where you 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.400 feel like you didn't do enough to save the planet. 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.160 Climate complicity, where you feel guilty because you have played 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:31.360 a part in the degradation of the planet. Climate lamit, 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.959 where you're just generally sad, and helping people deal with 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:40.679 saying goodbye to species that are becoming extinct. Now, NPR 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:44.399 went along to what they called a climate Grieving circle 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:49.040 where people sat around together led by a former Buddhist 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:54.360 now turned climate chaplain in breathing exercises where you exhale 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:56.640 and as the way you're laughing, this is a very 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:00.360 serious attempt to help people with climate grief. As you 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.720 exhale the plants and trees they inhale, and you become 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:09.320 one with creation and contribute to the healing of the planet. Now, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.240 there's a bit more to this, and I don't want 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:14.119 to make it sound too simple, because Caleb, they've got 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.480 chaplains who deal with younger people and older people, because 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.320 the issues are different. For younger people, you're trying to 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.960 help them deal with climate fright, where they are just 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:27.240 petrified of wildfires, hurricanes and a second Trump presidency. And 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:31.079 then you've got Chaplains dealing with the older generation who 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.400 are just mourning the fact that decades of climate activism 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.120 tying themselves to the port of Newcastle has done nothing 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.680 to stop the climate crisis. And so I think this 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.160 is a wonderful thing, Liz, that we need to see 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:45.360 more of. I think a lot of people are going 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.160 to be helped by this. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:47.320 I want this job. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.840 I bet they're all in six figures. And I would 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.320 just begin by being like, why are all so stupid? 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.840 Why are you all so stupid? 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:59.359 Has anyone shown you definitive scientific proof. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.000 That see is destroying the planet? 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.320 Did you know it's actually the most important nutrient for 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.200 life on Earth? Without it, we'd all be dead, There'd 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.919 be no plants, there'd be no humans, nothing, And in fact, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:14.480 science shows they were running short of it before we 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.720 rocked up and started pumping some extra into the atmosphere. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.520 After my consults, they'd all leave climate change denials. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.320 I'd be like, give it ten years. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.280 You're going to feel real stupid. Do not waste any 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:31.280 more time on your regret. You're grieving your anxiety and depression. 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:32.519 That's conversion therapy. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:35.120 Illegal. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:39.200 This is just This is so sad, and it speaks 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.120 to the state of people's mental health in today's world 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:47.000 and the fact that no one driving this wave of 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.160 mental health around climate change. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.360 Nobody is answering for this. 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.000 All the fear porn that is being pumped in to 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.320 our young and yes the older people as well, being 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.960 made to feel like all your life you didn't even 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.240 know about this, and you've trashed the planet and you've 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:10.080 ruined it for generations to come. Genuine vulnerable, conscientious people 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.800 are now made to feel like you're to answer for 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.400 what we're now facing and the coming generations who now 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:19.680 need to live in caves otherwise there's no way we 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:20.600 can survive here. 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.920 To be fair, they're not just old, they're whites as well. 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:30.520 So I'm just at a loss. I am. I am 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.880 completely at a loss, Like we are staffed. 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:35.080 As a human race. 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:38.040 If we need to have bloody echo chaplains, I might 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.480 leave my glasses off because it's harder to see the 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.360 world with my glasses off, And at this point that's 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.200 kind of how I want it. Like if nothing will 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.600 show you how far we have fallen, like the fact 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:54.240 that we now have quote unquote eco chaplains, presumably in 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:58.800 schools and workplaces and nursing homes and whatever else, holding 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:05.599 people's home. But when you said before, this concept of 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.599 them having these breathing circles, right, and so they're saying, 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:13.560 you know, inhale and then then exhale deeply. Now, surely 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.719 there's a big problem with that, because every time you exhale, 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.919 you are exhaling carbon dioxide and you are contributing to 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:24.560 the carbon emissions flying out into the atmosphere. So surely 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.080 in these breathing circles, they should be encouraging you to 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.520 hold your breath for as long as possible until you 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.960 go purple in the face and drop dead, because that's 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.920 the best thing you could possibly do for the planet. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:37.080 And by the way, it alleviates all your climate anxiety. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:39.240 But you know, we make all these jokes, but it 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.799 is really sad that there are children, in particular, children 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:48.799 who are genuinely concerned that the world they are living 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.880 in today, that they are growing up in today, may 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.360 not exist by the time they are eighty years old. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.560 I mean, there's a lead to believe that the whole 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.600 joints going to fall apart and the world's going to 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:00.960 implode and it's going to be like and the dinosaurs 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.360 became extinct and all the mediaors came and took us out, 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.880 like it's not gonna happen. It ain't gonna happen. There's 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:12.120 this little thing called evolution, right, and when things change, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:15.800 the atmosphere change, the climate changes, as it has always changed. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:19.719 Some species survive and some species don't. It has ever 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.200 been thus But you know what, we are the smartest. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.680 We're at the top of the tree. If anyone can 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.800 find a way to adapt to the planet being you know, 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:31.920 one and a half degrees warmer or whatever it's supposedly 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.680 going to be, it's human beings who can do that. Like, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.920 it ain't going to be that big of a problem. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.800 But kids are genuinely worried that the world is not 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:42.600 going to be here by the time they're aty, that 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.760 they're all going to cark it because it's too hot. 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:46.920 I mean, I know it gets pretty hot in Australia, 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.200 but try living in some other parts of the world 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.360 where they never get any rain and it's hot all 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:51.800 the time. 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.760 This is this is like the religion of choice for 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:57.480 urban atheists, who just prove the point that you can 0:06:57.520 --> 0:07:00.200 say I'm not interested in religion, but if in the 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.160 end you are innately spiritual, you have to come up 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.359 with something. So, you know, climate activitism's got its saints, 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.880 you know, like Greta Tunberg. It's got its sinners like BP, 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.520 it's got its evangelists El Gore, it's got its penance, 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.240 you buy your carbon credits, and it's got all the 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.080 hallmarks of religion. Being say no, I'm not into religion, 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.120 and yet you're completely into religion as if you were 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:21.800 following any of the mainstream religion. 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.560 And people must be made to believe in it because 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.720 we have not even seen the beginnings of the price. 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:32.160 The government is going to increasingly demand that you pay 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:36.080 for this religion, whether you believe in it or not. 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:39.200 You don't get to subscribe from this. And this is 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.160 why I can't believe people have relinquished the scientific argument 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:44.400 so quickly. 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.120 We're told that the science is settled. 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.320 Well, of course, the science is settled when you gag 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.559 everyone who disagrees with you. Because what governments around the world, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:58.240 particularly Western governments, are increasingly requiring of their people in 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.840 the name of this climate change, gender is going to become. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.080 More and more and more onerous. 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.400 That is why we're not allowed to question it, We're 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:07.520 not allowed to cast. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.800 Doubts on it. And now we're supposed to take it. 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:14.160 So seriously that we have chaplains to deal with people's 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:20.440 climbing anxiety about an issue that I genuinely feel sorry 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.680 for these people because they think. 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.000 That this is one hundred percent real. 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.120 This is all going to happen imminently unless everyone changes 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.440 at the speed of light. Even the evangelists that Mac 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:37.520 just talked about, even the governments themselves perpetuating this narrative, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.080 dolling out these onerous policies that are only going to 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:42.320 get worse and worse. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:43.520 Even they are. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.360 The ones that we catch out every other week spending 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:47.120 millions of. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:49.760 Dollars of our taxpayer dollars. 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.840 On their flights for trips that could have been a 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:54.400 ten minute car ride. 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.960 No, no, we've got to save the planet. Not if 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:59.000 you're them. 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:03.400 They are laughing at you, These people buying beachfront properties 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.040 while preaching to the plabs that we're all. 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:08.480 Going to be underwater in a matter of years. 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:12.840 It is utterly ridiculous, and so more than anything, although 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.720 it is extremely funny, I get angry when I read 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:19.160 stories like this, because you've always got those of us 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.440 humans that tape things to the nth degree. There's still 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.880 people post COVID wearing masks and being deathly scared that 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.640 they're going to transmit it to someone or that they're 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.760 going to cause issues in that space, because they're extremely 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.440 conscientious and they're genuinely still scared. 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:37.320 It's abominable. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.800 Well, if you've caught the climate disease, I'm glad to 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.600 tell you that the later bait is the inoculation. Please 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.560 get your dose every single night at ten pm here 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.120 on Sky New. Speaking of the environment, you may have 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.400 heard the story earlier in the year that the federal 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:53.560 government wants to set up an environmental cop on the beat. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:56.040 It was one of their election promises that they would 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.520 set up a federal version of the EPA. Generally that's 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.160 Protection Authority, it's called in the various states. The federal 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:08.560 version would be called Environment Protection Australia. Well, the federal government, sorry, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.599 is in a spot of bother because they're struggling to 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:14.040 get this legislation through the parliament because, as you would expect, 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.680 the opposition the Coalition saying this thing goes too far, 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.840 because essentially what the government has suggested is that it 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.559 would perform all the sort of jobs that the EPA 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:27.679 currently does statewide. You know, it monitors environmental issues with 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.280 developments and minds and this sort of thing, but the 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.520 federal government wants to actually give it enforcement powers. So 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.760 it would essentially be able to make decisions instead of 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.600 the Minister, who at the moment is tenure plip a second. 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:41.000 We'll get to her in a moment, but it would 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:44.120 be able to make decisions about developments and minds and 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.280 these sort of things instead of the minister making that decision. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.040 And of course, when you think, well, this mob is 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:53.240 the Environment Protection Authority, it's probably going to make decisions 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:55.880 that are not necessarily about the economy and what's good 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.360 for the country. They're going to make decisions that they 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:01.840 think are supposedly good for the environment. So the coalition 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.520 says we've got to water this thing down, we want 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.000 less powers given to it, and the Greens, on the 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:08.720 other hand, which is the other mob that might be 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.040 able to get it through the Parliament, say no, we actually. 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.160 Want to beef it up further. 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:15.679 Now you can imagine what it would look like if 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.560 the Greens got their hands on it. And Tanya Plipasek, 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.920 who is the minister in charge of this thing, you 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.800 will know, recently denied a gold mine in New South 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.840 Wales because supposedly there's some indigenous heritage problem here, even 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:32.960 though she overruled the hand picked Indigenous heritage advisor within 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:36.120 her department and took the word of someone else against 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.000 the word of the local indigenous people. So she can't 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.600 get that right. She's been roundly criticized for that. She 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:45.840 can't get this Environment Protection Authority legislation through the parliament. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.160 So what do you reckons She's decided she needs to 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.040 do to take the heat. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:51.040 Off her portfolio. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:12:10.280 At the moment, she's dabbling in some fashion modeling. Yes, 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.160 that is a real clip that Tanya Plibasik posted on 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.520 social media. It's good to see that she's taking the 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.880 job really seriously right now. But you can just imagine, 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.880 and we talked about the eco chaplains, right here's a 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.640 mob that they can go and work for it, but 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.280 they will be federally employed ego chaplains in every school 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:30.200 across the country once the EPA is established. But knowing 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:34.000 how Tanya Plibasik has recently conducted herself as the Minister 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.720 knocking back of mind that the local indigenous population says 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.600 they want a need because they want the jobs that 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.880 the EPA in New South Wales said. 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:43.960 There was no problem with that. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.840 The Premier of New South Wales, Chris Mins, has no 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.640 problem with she's making political decisions I believe to advantage 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:55.200 herself in her electorate in suburban Sydney as opposed to 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.559 what is good for the greater good of the state 0:12:57.640 --> 0:12:59.480 of New South Wales in the country. So if that's 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.840 the attitude she takes his minister, imagine what this EPA 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.760 would do if she managed to get it up. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.640 Well, imagine what will happen if we get the hung 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.200 Parliament at the next election and the Greenens and their price, 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:13.439 because the Greens not only want this organization which will 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:18.559 have the power to approve or disapprove developments without reference 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.600 to anybody else, which almost convinces me an organization that 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.640 doesn't have to reference tenure plipar sc you could almost say. 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.120 Could be might be an improvement. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:27.800 That's how bad. 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.120 The only people who will get appointed to the EBA 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:35.560 will be like Tang your plibosec on steroids. Well, these 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.800 people will make the social workers look. 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.439 Like like g Stapo. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.600 Like these these people appointed because it will be under 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.200 the Albanzi government. If they can get it across the line, 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.240 it'll be ten times worse. And then the minister government 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.280 loves to do this gets to go. 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:52.559 It wasn't me, it was. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.040 The EPA and these are their recommendations. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.520 Government is well practiced in blaming public service. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.920 Exactly, so they'll just be like vet every mining proposal, 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.880 logging a thing of the past, like they'll do the 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.760 dirty work for the government, while the government simply says, well. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.359 Okay, good point. So while Labor are willing to compromise 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.160 on that to get coalition and support, the Greens are 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:17.440 saying no, no, that's got to remain. 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:17.800 End. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:21.720 They want a climate trigger, whereby every development is assessed 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.520 as to how it will affect the climate crisis. So 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.560 you can imagine not just the bureaucracy, but the cost 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:31.880 that this will impose on pretty much every development that's imaginable. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:35.440 It will literally bankrupt the country because nothing will be affordable. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.720 It's a nightmare waiting to happen. And anyone reading about 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:39.720 this today goes. 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.040 It's bad enough as it is. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:46.760 We've already got state governments passing laws that dictate what 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.920 developments have to look like. So we've got the cultural 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:54.840 heritage type stuff vetting projects here, there and everywhere. Then 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.840 we've got the environmental in Victoria, you've got to have 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.880 double glazed windows and white rooms if you're in this 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:02.320 specific area. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:03.120 All the rest of it. 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.880 The state governments are already implementing local governments as well. 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:12.680 Enough red tape to curl anybody's hair, and now you 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.800 want an EPA on top of that. The Coalition has 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.680 taken a common sense middle ground here where they're saying, look, 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.480 if it's a compliance only role and it's simply a 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:27.200 watchdog of sorts to say, hey, you're not obeying the laws, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.920 the environmental laws that are already passed, already up and running. 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:32.520 You guys are breaking the rules. 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.040 We'll vote for it if it's compliance only. 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.080 The Greens want to be fed up. 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.840 There seems to be absolutely no middle ground here. Either 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:47.000 Labor agree to giving this thing like weapons grade powers, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.520 or they water it down. Here's hoping that they come 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:52.600 to the coalition's party and not the Greens. 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.400 Otherwise we're screwed and just on that tenure plbisk Instagram thing. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.840 Isn't that an example of what they call fast fashion, 0:15:58.880 --> 0:15:59.600 which is really bad? 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.280 Yeah, where is the sustainability unless you's had all those 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:09.320 suits for ten years apiece, in which case it's okay. 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:10.360 That is true. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.840 They may well be of good quality. But of course 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.120 the other problem with it is, and I know we 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.880 all disagree with the decision that Tanya Plibasik has recently 0:16:17.880 --> 0:16:21.960 made about the Goldman and Blainey, but I prefer these 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:26.400 decisions to be made by the minister rather than faithless 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:30.040 buau arrest right is because not only exactly because not 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.880 only is it something for them to hide behind, it 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:33.720 abrogates the. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:35.120 Responsibility of the minister. 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:39.240 The minister, much like the Prime Minister and all politicians, 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.240 are elected to make moral decisions on behalf of the public. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:44.520 That is why we elect them. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.240 We elect them to make decisions that we want them 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:50.040 to make. It's not then their job to farm that 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.800 decision making out to other people's well within the purview 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:57.160 of the public service to come back and make recommendations 0:16:57.240 --> 0:16:59.840 to ministers, but it should ultimately be up to the 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.600 minister to make that decision. Otherwise, well, why have the ministers. 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.159 Let's just cut out all the crap in Canberra, just 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.560 at the public service, run the Taylor. We have questions, Yes, 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:09.320 you have questions. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.000 You said that our politicians are elected to make moral decisions. Yes, 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.119 well they've been in government two years. When will they start? 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:16.000 Well, I don't know. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:17.760 It's not my job to tell them when to do 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:19.879 their jol I'm just saying that what we elect them for. 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:20.800 We know they. 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.640 Abrogate the responsibility all the time. But that's the idea 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:26.000 of the system, right. It doesn't always work, but that's 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:26.360 the point. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:28.720 Onto more environmental madness. 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:33.919 In New South Wales, there's a new Plastics Project Action Plan. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.760 You thought they'd stop at banning plastic straws while you're 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.600 sucking on your soggy paper ones. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.920 You thought they'd stop at banning plastic cutlery. No, they're 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:45.480 taking it one further. 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:50.600 Forcing cafes to accept reusable cups and standardizing the packaging 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:53.840 four disposable cups are among the ideas the New South 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:58.000 Wales government is putting out for consultation on Monday, being today. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:00.080 Other ideas listed in the. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.280 New South Wales Plastics the Way forward action plan include 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.600 banning the release of helium balloons. Yeah, that'll save the 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:14.000 planet quick smart, Banning plastic sticks for lollipops. Off, we 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:19.320 are saved in favor of paper or wooden alternatives. Banning 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.120 the plastic ties on bread bags, Yes, that has kept 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.600 me awake at night. And tethering lids to plastic bottles 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:31.480 accepted in return and earn schemes now. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:36.200 Other states have already implemented these. In fact, it wasn't 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.960 until today that I found out it is law. 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.679 It is law New South Walians that you cannot release 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:46.399 more than nineteen helium balloons. You're having a party, you 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.480 want to make a statement, you want to make all 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:53.040 the kids go woo. It is literally written into legislation 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.880 in our state that you cannot release more than nineteen 0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:00.760 helium balloons twenty you've broken the law. I mean, we 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.040 are just getting to the well, we're well pass the 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.080 point of ridiculous when this is what the government is 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:10.639 turning its attention to. Thank you for looking after the 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:16.040 big issues. Yeah, we can't ban kids from accessing pornography online. 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.960 We can't stop rampant crime in the streets. 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:22.560 We can't even send immigrants back to where they came 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.080 from if they break our laws in the worst of ways. 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:30.000 But you can't release more than twenty helium balloons, so 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:31.320 you know they're doing their job. 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:32.639 I'm so pleased to hear that. 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:33.680 I feel a lot better. 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:35.879 The problem is, I mean, we're sitting here thinking this 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.440 is ridiculous. But if you read the Sydney Morning Herald 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.560 comments underneath this article. 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:41.320 Everyone's loving it. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.000 Everyone they've gone further. 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:44.080 They're saying this is not enough. 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:45.800 Let me read for you some of the comments. People 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.000 in the comments they want to ban fridge magnets because 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.680 they never break down fridge magnets. Other people said, you 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.440 know synthetic football fields. They want to get rid of astrotypes. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.159 Oh yes, AstroTurf. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:57.679 Someone just went on there and said, let's just ban 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:01.879 cars completely. Sure. Someone else said this is serious. They 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.679 said the problem with plastic coffee cups. We should ban 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.120 people walking with coffee. Then you wouldn't need to take 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.600 away coffee cups and have your coffee. These are serious comments. 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.760 In the Sydney Morning Herald, someone said polysh styrene beads 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.320 in bean bags, Well, how does a bean bag work 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.080 if you can't have those beans? Beans in the bag, 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.240 and my favorite one band bin liners. 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.160 Actually, actually I have. 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.560 A member of my family who shall remain nameless, who 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:31.719 literally he won't allow bin bags. 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.200 They just have to clean out their bin risk. 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:38.560 Like, what is the difference? 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:40.600 What difference are you making? 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.320