Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you Caleb, you got us on a good night, Tonight,
Speaker 2: Hunt Day, Wednesday, the end.
Speaker 1: Of the week, go so near for way too many.
Speaker 2: And tonight a great debate looking forward to this. John Roscombe,
Speaker 2: of course connected with the IPA, one of the great
Speaker 2: free thinkers, takes on a man who's only over here
Speaker 2: to help being labeled with bootstraps. Stephen Conroy, the Great
Speaker 2: Trevor longwill join us, the man who, of course knows
Speaker 2: so much about technology, about how you are supposed to
Speaker 2: defend yourself when somebody hacks information from people like Quantus
Speaker 2: and Wednesday Night the one, the only and the only
Speaker 2: way you'll see her on Australian TV.
Speaker 1: Meghan Kelly.
Speaker 3: Remember this, if you ever get chased by one run Serpentine, Serpentine.
Speaker 4: You got to go left to record, not a street line.
Speaker 2: We discuss the alligator, Alcatraz and a whole lot more.
Speaker 2: The bad weather continues in and around New South Wales.
Speaker 2: The southern parts of the state have been particularly thumped,
Speaker 2: although is the central coast still remain.
Speaker 1: Quite the problem.
Speaker 2: A lot of people still in the middle of things,
Speaker 2: some people starting to clean.
Speaker 1: Up so cool, that's so incredible. I think they're a
Speaker 1: life carried off.
Speaker 2: But that's so coo, so fun too much.
Speaker 5: Yesterday amazing, it was as big as I've ever seen it.
Speaker 1: And the surf inside Black Beach three to five foot.
Speaker 1: We just went to the blohole.
Speaker 4: How was it beautiful to get blown.
Speaker 2: Away working so compliments on the mustache spectacular. As for
Speaker 2: the sees, this is part of their efforts today.
Speaker 1: Now remember these.
Speaker 2: People are volunteers. On top of everything else they do.
Speaker 2: They do this at a moment's notice. They've got to
Speaker 2: walk away from their jobs, walk away from their families,
Speaker 2: and sometimes leave their own homes unprepared. So we're forever
Speaker 2: thankful to anyone in the orange uniform.
Speaker 6: Seven flood rescue activations took place, with vehicles ending up
Speaker 6: in flooded waters. There is a lot of debris on roads.
Speaker 6: Trees have fallen, power lines are down. The roads are
Speaker 6: also very slippery. There have been multiple car crashes and
Speaker 6: we're asking people to please take care on the roads.
Speaker 1: This is the live radar picture.
Speaker 2: As you can see, the swirl is continuing. It is
Speaker 2: ever so slightly moving south, but the intensity of which
Speaker 2: is still again either side of Sydney. Parts of Sydney
Speaker 2: have copped it starting to go a little in towards
Speaker 2: say the Blue Mountains in terms of west of Sydney,
Speaker 2: but the south coast of New South Wales is copping
Speaker 2: a thump. Beneath this image you can see here is
Speaker 2: some rain that's making its way towards Victoria, and above
Speaker 2: the very cold weathers of the past couple of days
Speaker 2: that are starting to be part of that Arctic blast
Speaker 2: and are moving their way towards Queensland.
Speaker 1: So it is not just something.
Speaker 2: Specific to this part of Australia if you happen to
Speaker 2: be in New South Wales. But again, the devastation and
Speaker 2: the damage, these stories are relentless for obvious reasons. We
Speaker 2: live in a big and complicated world. No matter what
Speaker 2: some people want to say that there's a way to
Speaker 2: solve wind, rain and all the rest of it. But
Speaker 2: the damage is still worth seeing. That has been around
Speaker 2: over the past couple of days. As for the very latest,
Speaker 2: let's find out the latest now from sky ne Near's
Speaker 2: weather about what happens tomorrow.
Speaker 7: If we are now at the tail end of this system,
Speaker 7: most of that whether it should clear out before dawn
Speaker 7: on Thursday.
Speaker 4: Now that offshore low that's.
Speaker 7: Really been building all of this up, the most powerful
Speaker 7: one of the three, that's going to push further out
Speaker 7: to sea, and that's going to really finally ease the rain,
Speaker 7: wind and surf conditions have been seeing.
Speaker 2: You can see the rain around Tazzy all the way
Speaker 2: through to the southern coast of New South Wales. On
Speaker 2: the other side of the world, it's a different story.
Speaker 2: They closed the Eiffel Tower today to tourists because it
Speaker 2: was too damn hot. Temperatures in some parts of Europe,
Speaker 2: like Beautiful Portugal were in the forties, thirties in France,
Speaker 2: high twenties with a chance of poshing much into the
Speaker 2: thirties in the UK. So if you know people on
Speaker 2: that side of the world, which them all the best
Speaker 2: because the Eiffel Tower closed to tourists, temperature records being
Speaker 2: smashed all over the place. When it comes to Europe,
Speaker 2: and not some sort of eighteen degree heat wave, but
Speaker 2: a fed income one that is happening all over the
Speaker 2: continent and independent territories that are the United Kingdom.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: For some time I have often said that when it
Speaker 2: comes to the Australian cricket team. More than happy to
Speaker 2: cheer them on when it comes to what they do
Speaker 2: on the field, but they can be a little bit
Speaker 2: of woke, can't they. As you will have heard by now,
Speaker 2: they've come up with a way of not playing cricket
Speaker 2: on Australia Day.
Speaker 1: Now. Technically if the T.
Speaker 2: Twenty competition doesn't finish on the twenty fifth, well the
Speaker 2: game could be played on the twenty fifth, but at
Speaker 2: this stage no plan for cricket on the twenty sixth.
Speaker 1: Why because they're woke? Right?
Speaker 2: Wara Mundane, talking to Sky News and the Data Telegraph
Speaker 2: that today said that he thinks it's bizarre what they're doing.
Speaker 2: What is their reason they have given for this? It's
Speaker 2: really pathetic and the public who follow the team, follow cricket,
Speaker 2: love the sport and pay their good money to what
Speaker 2: you deserve to know. If anything cricket Australia, it should
Speaker 2: come out and give a reason why they will not.
Speaker 1: Play on Australia Day. Now.
Speaker 2: I mention this not because you haven't heard it fifteen
Speaker 2: times already today, but because it does give me an
Speaker 2: opportunity to kind of mention something that I have been
Speaker 2: thinking about four months. I remember sitting there during the
Speaker 2: summer holidays, just my phone started blowing up with the
Speaker 2: whole bunch of people yelling at me bringing back some
Speaker 2: comments that I had made in the past about Australian cricket.
Speaker 2: Now we know that it's Captain Pat Cummins is one
Speaker 2: of this new generation of athletes and there are more
Speaker 2: athletes that have worked these days that not particularly around
Speaker 2: sports like cricket, but in terms of cricket Australia, they
Speaker 2: are absolutely living up to the old term go won't
Speaker 2: go broke. That's the way it goes, right, And a
Speaker 2: lot of people turn around and say, whoy Paul, you've
Speaker 2: said this in the past, And in fact the item
Speaker 2: that mean my phone started exploding in summer was when
Speaker 2: Australia defeated India.
Speaker 1: Oh go work, go broke. What do you say now,
Speaker 1: mate again again again?
Speaker 2: Well my point is not about the players on the
Speaker 2: field necessarily, it is not about their performance on the field.
Speaker 2: But when I say about cricket Australia going woke and
Speaker 2: going broke, I'm talking about cricket Australia the very people
Speaker 2: who are a wash with television money, a wash with
Speaker 2: ticket sales, a wash with merchandising sales. But if you
Speaker 2: actually have a look at their financial results over not
Speaker 2: the past twelve months, but let's say the past three years,
Speaker 2: they all tell the same story. In the last financial
Speaker 2: year Australian cricket lost money. Did I say, go woke,
Speaker 2: go broke? Cricket Autralia announced a net deficit of thirty
Speaker 2: one point nine million dollars, that being American dollars, sorry,
Speaker 2: Australian dollars, thirty one American dollars twenty one million dollars.
Speaker 2: What about the year before, Well that was a sixteen
Speaker 2: point nine million dollar loss for Cricket Australia. So two
Speaker 2: years in, regardless of whether they win, lose or draw,
Speaker 2: whether they thump them five nil or whether everything gets
Speaker 2: washed out and it's a draw, two years in a
Speaker 2: row they have spent more money than they have coming in.
Speaker 1: What about the year before that?
Speaker 2: Or they too lost five million dollars last financial year
Speaker 2: despite a World Cup and ashes wins. That's the story
Speaker 2: of cricket and Cricket Australia. Now some will say the
Speaker 2: reason because they are losing money is because they are
Speaker 2: supporting a whole bunch of competitions that didn't exist five
Speaker 2: ten years ago. They've got multiple versions of T twenty
Speaker 2: teams and big Bashes and that's the reason. But it
Speaker 2: also could be that remember the players turned around and
Speaker 2: essentially dumped on one of their sponsors. For some people,
Speaker 2: it's our little through gritted teeth that yes, out of
Speaker 2: habit and out of love for our country, will cheer
Speaker 2: them on. But sometimes the OsO woke positions like Australia
Speaker 2: Day too scary for is just means you don't enthusiastically
Speaker 2: support the way that you previously had, which might be
Speaker 2: a reason why Cricket Australia has pursued in the past
Speaker 2: couple of years a rather bizarre strategy, which is to
Speaker 2: pretend that they are going to move things like tests
Speaker 2: like Boxing Day from the MCG or the Pink Test
Speaker 2: from the SCG, and bizarrely, state governments have ponied up
Speaker 2: taxpayers money taxpayers money to guarantee that the events that
Speaker 2: are only famous because of where and when they are
Speaker 2: played continue to be played where and when they will
Speaker 2: be This is part of the legacy of Mike Baird
Speaker 2: as the boss of Cricket Australia.
Speaker 1: Now we know his record.
Speaker 2: When it comes to some sports, particularly greyhound racing, he
Speaker 2: tried to run it out of town and despite his
Speaker 2: best efforts, things are not getting turned around financially, as
Speaker 2: we can see three years in a row. When it
Speaker 2: comes to cricket Australia, perhaps a little less focus on
Speaker 2: the wake and a little more on the bottom line.
Speaker 1: But what do I know. I'm just a go on
Speaker 1: TV now.
Speaker 2: As you know, I do not look particularly kindly on
Speaker 2: the endless conversation around Australia day that becomes things like
Speaker 2: the Invasion Day protests. I want to be honest about
Speaker 2: our history, but I think Australia, whatever day we would choose,
Speaker 2: would be one where the same stuff would happen. The
Speaker 2: reality is there are the stories of Australia. There is
Speaker 2: the thousands of years before settlement, and there are the
Speaker 2: fingers crossed thousands of years ahead that are the modern
Speaker 2: story of Australia. No one who is in any way
Speaker 2: a decent human being would not be completely aware of
Speaker 2: the obvious difficulties and at times atrocities that took place
Speaker 2: during the period after the first Flair arrive.
Speaker 1: There'd be no question about it.
Speaker 2: But I also was open about that maybe some people
Speaker 2: don't want a body put into the Constitution to help
Speaker 2: deal with indigenous issues, one that obviously no government will
Speaker 2: turn around and ever say no to. So who would
Speaker 2: end up as the premium authority in Australia. Well, we
Speaker 2: know how all of that went. That was a couple
Speaker 2: of years ago. And yes, often sometimes we talk about
Speaker 2: it too much, and that vote wasn't a complete let's
Speaker 2: never talk about this issue ever. Again, it was very
Speaker 2: specifically about that idea at that time being put forward.
Speaker 2: And yes, I have shown you the many times that
Speaker 2: things like welcome to Country become well just a little
Speaker 2: too much, the idea that we've all been in plenty
Speaker 2: of scenarios where you're looking around saying, sorry, why are
Speaker 2: we doing this? It should be a special occasion. In
Speaker 2: the same way we don't start every single workday with
Speaker 2: the national anthem? Do we need to start every single
Speaker 2: zoom meeting or sporting contest with welcome to country. Now, again,
Speaker 2: all of that can be true, but then there are
Speaker 2: also hard truths that sometimes we need to sit down
Speaker 2: and listen to. Now, this does not mean that it
Speaker 2: is a black arm band view of history, nor does
Speaker 2: it mean automatically that those of us that of course
Speaker 2: we're never part of such atrocities either need to pay
Speaker 2: a price or certainly our kids need to be held
Speaker 2: back because of the sins of the past. But every
Speaker 2: now and then there are moments where, regardless of how
Speaker 2: you feel about Australia Day, about Welcome to Country, or
Speaker 2: how you voted in the Voice, that we need to
Speaker 2: be honest about our past, what we do with that past,
Speaker 2: how we move on from that past, how we educate
Speaker 2: ourselves about our past. That is well and truly up
Speaker 2: for debate. It's one we will have tonight with John
Speaker 2: and with Stephen to very be proud, passionate Australians who
Speaker 2: may have very different views on how to deal with this.
Speaker 2: But today was one of those days where you may
Speaker 2: well have voted no in the Voice referendum, you may
Speaker 2: well feel as some do about Welcome to Country, and
Speaker 2: you may be somebody who loves getting out the green
Speaker 2: and gold zinc on Australia Day. But we still have
Speaker 2: to know about some of those atrocities. And a major
Speaker 2: report was released today in Victoria. This was their version
Speaker 2: of a truth Telling Commission, and in some of the
Speaker 2: reporting about this and these are very big, very thick,
Speaker 2: very detailed documents. Sometimes it's the first time some of
Speaker 2: these stories were being told, Others more detail was being added.
Speaker 2: As the Australian newspaper put it today, violent, illegal and stolen.
Speaker 2: That is the verdict on European settlement in Victoria. Now
Speaker 2: again you can agree or disagree, but let's actually listen
Speaker 2: to this for a second. The final report described the
Speaker 2: arrival of European settlers in Victoria in eighteen thirty four
Speaker 2: as an occupation. They said it was illegal, rapid and
Speaker 2: largely uncontrolled. The taking of country and resources was violence,
Speaker 2: as first people were displaced in massacred by European settlers
Speaker 2: in the pursuit of their land and waters. Well again,
Speaker 2: you can feel all those things about the stuff I
Speaker 2: was talking about before. You can be pissed off about
Speaker 2: whether cricket is or isn't being played on Australia day,
Speaker 2: but clearly that's the truth.
Speaker 1: How we deal with that.
Speaker 2: Truth has to be the debate, not the debate about
Speaker 2: whether we need to ever hear about this truth. Another
Speaker 2: version of those that have gone through what is a
Speaker 2: very big and detailed document, Truth Telling Commission calls for
Speaker 2: redress financial compensation for Aboriginal Victorians.
Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 2: But again, what was in this report that was released today,
Speaker 2: Because I have a very big feeling that what was
Speaker 2: released today is going to be the building blocks of
Speaker 2: the basic forms of information that generations of kids are
Speaker 2: going to be taught. They note a range of injustices,
Speaker 2: including the theft of land and waters, oppressive policies, incarceration
Speaker 2: on missions and reserves, the deconstruction of language and culture,
Speaker 2: and the force removal of children from their.
Speaker 1: Families and communities.
Speaker 2: Today, the Victorian premiere who yesterday and earlier this week
Speaker 2: was talking about having our own version of the Voice,
Speaker 2: despite the fact that the people of Victoria had rejected
Speaker 2: such an idea at the national level. Well knowing that
Speaker 2: this report was coming, she has said that yes, that
Speaker 2: is something that she will be pushing.
Speaker 1: On with in Victoria.
Speaker 2: But rather than just dismiss all of this as yet
Speaker 2: another example of the black armband of history, or to wallow.
Speaker 1: In the details of which are supposed to create.
Speaker 2: A sense of guilt in people who did nothing wrong
Speaker 2: and those of us who do not need to atone
Speaker 2: for the sense of the past, but clearly want to
Speaker 2: accept that there is not just some sort of before
Speaker 2: and after, and we don't really talk about the transition
Speaker 2: and the difficulties of those changes. The reality is we've
Speaker 2: got to find a way to learn about this. Do
Speaker 2: we need to learn about it in every lesson in
Speaker 2: every single classroom every day, of course not. Do we
Speaker 2: need to put it into subjects like mathematics. No, But
Speaker 2: I've long been a proponent of things like say a
Speaker 2: Marbo Day, where it's not about the different weeks and
Speaker 2: the sorry days and all the rest of it. It's
Speaker 2: a single national public holiday which you may will have
Speaker 2: on the twet fifth of January, to recognize the Australia
Speaker 2: that was here before the beginnings of what has become
Speaker 2: the modern Australia that we know and deeply love today.
Speaker 2: I also have been a person who's believed that Australia
Speaker 2: should do what some other countries have done which used
Speaker 2: to have in the same way you have a national museum,
Speaker 2: that there should be some sort of an indigenous national
Speaker 2: museum in Canberra, so that when you're a school kid
Speaker 2: you can go to the Parliament, you can go to
Speaker 2: the War Memorial, you can go to the National Museum,
Speaker 2: and yes you can go to the Indigenous Museum as well,
Speaker 2: because as we know currently everyone is trying to do
Speaker 2: this work. You cannot go on any sort of a
Speaker 2: cultural website in Australia without some sort of deep recognition
Speaker 2: of the past. When the reality is is that if
Speaker 2: that had a focus in a building and institution an
Speaker 2: a day, then may be in my view, that is
Speaker 2: the beginnings of the way to find a new path forward.
Speaker 2: Because regardless of what has been written in the past
Speaker 2: in our history, the pages that are yet to be
Speaker 2: written are blank, are blank, are blank. And regardless of
Speaker 2: whether you are the kid born into the poorest part
Speaker 2: of the toughest part of the Northern Territory or you
Speaker 2: are the one who is lucky enough to be born
Speaker 2: in the richest street in a capital city in our country,
Speaker 2: all of our futures are inter linked. Now, as for
Speaker 2: what this report is suggesting, again, rather than just glibally
Speaker 2: bouncing over it, I wanted to actually show you what
Speaker 2: some of the demands are.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: You can want all of these, you can want none
Speaker 2: of these, but we've got to have the chat about
Speaker 2: it right again. In part we will have that discussion tonight,
Speaker 2: not about black armbanding, not about some sort of bleeding
Speaker 2: heart lefty version of things. But come on, you can't
Speaker 2: pretend that today wasn't a very significant day in talking
Speaker 2: about a past that some of us may claim to
Speaker 2: know about, but most of us probably don't know enough about.
Speaker 2: That's just the reality right now.
Speaker 1: Take or leave it. This is what they want.
Speaker 2: No want to amend the law to make workplaces culturally safe,
Speaker 2: to establish a complain handling process, and review pay and
Speaker 2: leave policies.
Speaker 1: For First Nation employees.
Speaker 2: They want to implement quotas for First Nations representation on
Speaker 2: company boards and government boards. They want to establish markers
Speaker 2: and memorials at significant sites to honor First Nations histories,
Speaker 2: including past injustices, massacres, missions, frontier wars, and leadership as
Speaker 2: determined by traditional owners or Aboriginal groups. They also want
Speaker 2: to restore Indigenous place names in Victoria, prioritizing key public
Speaker 2: areas like parks, waterways, roads, and ensuring that they are
Speaker 2: reflected on maps and documents with names chosen by traditional
Speaker 2: owners and coordinated by the First People's Assembly of Victoria.
Speaker 2: I think, apart from anything else that is going to happen, again,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it should happen, but I'm saying it's
Speaker 2: pretty obvious the Victorian government wants something to happen here.
Speaker 2: The renaming of things, not co naming, but renaming of
Speaker 2: things is well and truly there Again, this report says
Speaker 2: that it wants to encourage churches in Victoria to return
Speaker 2: land acquired cheaply or reserved for them to traditional owners
Speaker 2: and share proceeds of future sales of such land. There's more,
Speaker 2: and I want you to see this. I want you
Speaker 2: to know what is on the table, because remember, all
Speaker 2: of this can be dealt with by a treaty process
Speaker 2: that the Victorian Premier has said nothing is off the table,
Speaker 2: So all of this could go from a report to
Speaker 2: law faster than people can come up with reasons why
Speaker 2: Lydiathorpe should stay in the Parliament advocates for changes to
Speaker 2: native title laws requiring state to disapprove traditional owners connection
Speaker 2: to country rather than the current requirement, which is traditional
Speaker 2: owners to prove their connection, collaborate with the Commonwealth and
Speaker 2: negotiate the return of cultural secret and sacred objects from interstate,
Speaker 2: overseas and private collections. So the museums of the world
Speaker 2: that have aboriginal artifacts, bring them back and bring them
Speaker 2: mac specifically to Victoria. Recognize waterways as living entities and
Speaker 2: appoint traditional owners as guardians, granting them oversight of management
Speaker 2: commercial uses, including coal and desalination. I'm going through the
Speaker 2: detail here because this matters. This is going to be
Speaker 2: a fork in the road about how we deal with
Speaker 2: our past. Is this too much?
Speaker 1: We will all find out together.
Speaker 2: The report also says that they should be exempt traditional
Speaker 2: owners from paying anything like taxes, rates and charges related
Speaker 2: to water, grant traditional owners rights over waterways to negotiate
Speaker 2: our revenue sharing agreement, obtain consent from Indigenous Victorian groups
Speaker 2: for mineral resource extractive projects, climate change responses, and renewable
Speaker 2: energy projects. That Department of Education should develop a separate
Speaker 2: policy for excluding First Nation students from attendance classroom, excuss suspensions,
Speaker 2: and have modified timetables. Two more, with guidance from First Nations,
Speaker 2: Victoria and the university should recognize and compensate First Nations
Speaker 2: staff for additional colonial load that they bear and fund.
Speaker 2: Separate Indigenous housing networks and increase housing supple, including quotas
Speaker 2: in the Big Build project. I spend time talking about
Speaker 2: this tonight, not to divide. I spend time talking about
Speaker 2: this tonight, not to whip up fear and hostility, but
Speaker 2: for you to understand what is in a report that
Speaker 2: you will probably be too busy or unable to read,
Speaker 2: because we have not just the statement of claims, we
Speaker 2: have the reasons for them, and we have a Victorian
Speaker 2: government in particular that has said everything's on the table
Speaker 2: and they are happy to negotiate on all of these things.
Speaker 2: It will then be tested by the Victorian Parliament, the
Speaker 2: majority of which, of course the Labor MP's in the
Speaker 2: lower house, and there is a left wing group that
Speaker 2: will most likely support things in the upper House. So
Speaker 2: this is not often to than never and ever, we
Speaker 2: are in the middle of the story right now.
Speaker 1: Now. Quantas had a big day to day.
Speaker 2: They've got six million customers information that is locked up
Speaker 2: in most of their computers. That network has been compromised.
Speaker 2: We will find out in the next few days whether
Speaker 2: or not it is one, two hundred thousand, or most
Speaker 2: likely millions of people's data that has been hacked. If
Speaker 2: you are a frequent flyer, like many Australians are, well, yes,
Speaker 2: your information could be exactly what we are talking about here.
Speaker 2: It's already making news into the United States and some
Speaker 2: customers have had their reaction already.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm pretty unhappy.
Speaker 8: I mean, I've been quite up in these day of
Speaker 8: breaches before, and I'm a frequent Flyer member, so I'm
Speaker 8: assuming I've been caught in this.
Speaker 5: It seems to be a common occurrence these days. It's
Speaker 5: unless I'm directly impacted, then I'm not too phazed about it.
Speaker 5: And I'm sure Corners is letting me know if it's
Speaker 5: going to impact me directly.
Speaker 8: It's definitely scary to hear.
Speaker 6: It's not what we want, and as someone of the public,
Speaker 6: it's scary that they can get out information.
Speaker 2: Trevor Long as a technology man who you can see
Speaker 2: from the very start of the day to this the
Speaker 2: very end of the evening. You can see him on
Speaker 2: the Today Show over on Channel nine. His own website
Speaker 2: is EFTM dot com or dot com Today you would
Speaker 2: alsoen you in the same place, and he joins us
Speaker 2: now from his super high tech super bunker where he's
Speaker 2: not in the middle of a Formula one simulator. For
Speaker 2: just a couple of minutes, Big fellow, what about this today?
Speaker 2: So we could be talking about potentially millions of people's information.
Speaker 2: What information may someone on the dark web have ended up.
Speaker 1: With today, Paul Good evening.
Speaker 9: I think it's going to be three million plus because
Speaker 9: if six million people's details were in this database, and
Speaker 9: I've done some digging today, there's fifteen million Quanus frequent flieres.
Speaker 1: Why is it only six million?
Speaker 9: Because it's people who have been in touch with this
Speaker 9: call center over the last year or so. So anyone
Speaker 9: that's been in touch with a call center is probably
Speaker 9: in this mix. And for Quantas to describe the scale
Speaker 9: of the loss or the theft as significant really says
Speaker 9: to me, it's going to be not one hundred thousand,
Speaker 9: this is going to be millions of people. So it
Speaker 9: is good news no financial details, no passwords, but bad
Speaker 9: news name e. Email, phone number, date of birth, and
Speaker 9: Quantus frequent flyer number, which doesn't sound like a big deal,
Speaker 9: but that's enough to have a scammer if they get
Speaker 9: that information, trick you try and get you to hand
Speaker 9: over more information, and that's exactly what will happen from here.
Speaker 1: See, this is it.
Speaker 2: There's going to be a lot of people watching us
Speaker 2: right now who are really only just getting on top
Speaker 2: of which emails to trust, whether respond to a text message,
Speaker 2: these sorts of things. Again, just in terms of looking
Speaker 2: for the things that this information could feed, that's dodgy.
Speaker 2: What's the sort of stuff that people looking at their
Speaker 2: inbox or getting a text should just go That's clearly
Speaker 2: not true.
Speaker 9: Don't go there, Frankly, Paul, an email from Quantus would
Speaker 9: be suspicious. Now, obviously Quantus is communicating with customers. Now,
Speaker 9: I got an email tonight with a lot of information
Speaker 9: from them. No links in that email, so Quantis of
Speaker 9: just information. We've had this cyber attack, no links, just information.
Speaker 9: But if you get an email from Quantus that says, oh,
Speaker 9: due to the account being compromised by a cyber incident,
Speaker 9: we need you to click here and update your information.
Speaker 1: Well, if you.
Speaker 9: Click there, the trick is it will look like the
Speaker 9: Quantus website.
Speaker 1: That you go to.
Speaker 9: You will believe for everything that it's the Quantus website,
Speaker 9: but it's not. It's the scammers. So text messages and
Speaker 9: emails that purport to be from Quanas may not be.
Speaker 9: And if you believe they are because they talk about
Speaker 9: an upcoming flight, bring them or open the app and
Speaker 9: have a look for information directly from quanas, not from
Speaker 9: that communication, not from an email. And you know what,
Speaker 9: look out for your family and your neighbors. If you've
Speaker 9: got elderly family and neighbors, they're the most susceptible. Sorry,
Speaker 9: but demographically it's true. Talk to them about the fact
Speaker 9: that they shouldn't trust emails that ask them to take action.
Speaker 1: That's the critical thing.
Speaker 2: Well, and also even if you're somebody who is an
Speaker 2: every now and then fly and by that I mean
Speaker 2: once every couple of years. My suggestion and tell me
Speaker 2: if this is wrong here, which is to download the
Speaker 2: apps of the airlines that you fly. With the download
Speaker 2: because that information system is even more secure as a way,
Speaker 2: not just telling you whether your bags have gone missing
Speaker 2: or whether something's late. And yeah, you may not be flying,
Speaker 2: you know all day every day. You mightn't be like
Speaker 2: like Trevor on myself and you know, could walk yourself
Speaker 2: to seat thirty six A with your eyes closed, right,
Speaker 2: or probably one A in his case. But the reality
Speaker 2: is those apps matter, right, So if you are a
Speaker 2: customer of everything from a phone company to an airline,
Speaker 2: download the app.
Speaker 1: Is that fair.
Speaker 9: Spot on Paul the call center was compromised. It's a
Speaker 9: major stuff up from quanas to have a call center
Speaker 9: database like this compromise. Let's be very clear, but their
Speaker 9: app and their website are completely okay, and so.
Speaker 1: To use the app means you've used the official channel.
Speaker 9: If you get a phone call that says it's Quantus
Speaker 9: calling or to chext something, you just go okay, no problems,
Speaker 9: hang up, and then call the Quantus phone number and
Speaker 9: talk to the call center. Weirdly, I'm encouraging you to
Speaker 9: call the call center of the compromise, but have the
Speaker 9: conversation directly with Quantus, either via their app, via the website,
Speaker 9: or on the phone. Whatever you do, it's something you initiate,
Speaker 9: not something they initiate through a click through link on
Speaker 9: an email or a text message.
Speaker 1: I love this bloke.
Speaker 2: He's been there since the very start of my career
Speaker 2: and I want you to support him. And the way
Speaker 2: to do that tell us your socials, tell us how
Speaker 2: to find you. With the exception of the Chinese surveillance app,
Speaker 2: how do people follow Trevor Long.
Speaker 9: You'll find me on all the apps at treblong and yeah,
Speaker 9: just go to e FtM dot com.
Speaker 1: Pauly, thank you, mate, good stuff, good man.
Speaker 2: He's got a great podcast as well with Stephen Finnick,
Speaker 2: which is about to obviously record. Thank you, sir, do
Speaker 2: you appreciate it. We'll talk to you again very very soon,
Speaker 2: the wonderful Trevorlong there. EFTM dot com is his website.
Speaker 2: EFTM dot com is his website.
Speaker 1: Quick break back with more.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about this big report, okay, because I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people have had a lot of debates
Speaker 2: over a lot of time, but we are now right
Speaker 2: at that moment where there's no mystery about what may
Speaker 2: be negotiated in and around that treaty.
Speaker 1: On top of that, we have a chat to Megan.
Speaker 2: Kelly about alligator Alcatraz and a whole lot more.
Speaker 1: We're just getting started. And by the way, thank you
Speaker 1: to all those people who send us emails.
Speaker 2: About what fragrance we should have for albow like Trump's
Speaker 2: got here. Don't worry, we'll do that too before we're done.
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Speaker 1: Joining us with.
Speaker 2: So much to talk about tonight is none other than
Speaker 2: John Roskin, the Senior Fellow at the Institute of Public
Speaker 2: Affairs the IPA, and just here to help. Maybe it
Speaker 2: was Bootstraps, the former cabinet minister, soccer tragic and doing
Speaker 2: his best to back.
Speaker 1: In the pies. None other than Steven Conroy.
Speaker 2: All right, so before we get to the big issues
Speaker 2: in and around Victoria today and geez, can't we solve
Speaker 2: those in five minutes? But still today we learn that
Speaker 2: the seventeen highest ranking public servants in the federal government
Speaker 2: earn between them.
Speaker 1: Sixteen million dollars.
Speaker 2: Now, John, this is a system that has got so
Speaker 2: far out of whack that the person elected Prime minister,
Speaker 2: the person in charge of carrying out the demands of
Speaker 2: being the prime minister their department is paid multiples what
Speaker 2: the prime minister is paid. Kind of the perfect metaphor
Speaker 2: for how ruined our system is. Right, well, it is, Paul,
Speaker 2: and look with Stephen.
Speaker 1: On with me.
Speaker 10: I'd like to blame the Labor government for this, but
Speaker 10: both Coalition and Labor are responsible for a system that
Speaker 10: exactly as you say, has got out of wack with
Speaker 10: mainstream Australia. One of the points that many people have
Speaker 10: made over many years, but it's made no difference, is
Speaker 10: that the head of our civil service equivalent in the
Speaker 10: UK is paid three times less.
Speaker 1: It's about the same.
Speaker 2: In the US.
Speaker 10: The chief of our Defense Force has paid a million dollars.
Speaker 10: The chief of the Joint Chiefs in the US, with
Speaker 10: two and a half serving million serving people in the
Speaker 10: Defense force is paid three or four.
Speaker 1: Hundred thousand dollars Australian.
Speaker 10: Eventually a Labor or Liberal prime minister is going to
Speaker 10: have to take a knife to this.
Speaker 2: Well, Steven, I mean you've been the type of minister
Speaker 2: who's sat there and you know there's only so many
Speaker 2: problems you can fix in one day. But this is
Speaker 2: this is just borderline taking piece, isn't it now?
Speaker 8: Well, look, I mean to to agree with John completely.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately both sides of politics have presided over this gap widening.
Speaker 8: I mean some might argue that the PM and the
Speaker 8: ministers are underpaid and that you could reduce that.
Speaker 2: Topari politician would say that.
Speaker 1: Only the former minister would be sitting. You know how
Speaker 1: we could fix this. The ministers should be paid a
Speaker 1: million dollars as well. I wouldn't go that far, but.
Speaker 8: That the key, the key treasury and the key portfolios
Speaker 8: their significance responsibilities. Now most of the departments are now
Speaker 8: there used to be thirty departments. They've already moved into
Speaker 8: these mega departments. And though the responsibilities of each individual
Speaker 8: departmental head has grown over time, whether it's great enough
Speaker 8: to justify some of those salaries. It's always easy to
Speaker 8: take pot shots, but the people who run those departments,
Speaker 8: usually highly qualified, been doing it for a long time,
Speaker 8: and they are more complex jobs than they seem to
Speaker 8: easily be poking at because the salaries have been added
Speaker 8: up to the sort of numbers you were talking about.
Speaker 2: All right, so let's get to where I was today,
Speaker 2: which is this truth Telling Report which comes out in Victoria.
Speaker 1: Now again the adult.
Speaker 2: Conversation here is that you can have an opinion about
Speaker 2: australed day, you can have an opinion about a voice,
Speaker 2: you can have opinion about welcome the country. But also
Speaker 2: central to all of this is all of us wanting
Speaker 2: to say, hey, we need to.
Speaker 1: Know the truth. Whatever that truth is, however ugly in
Speaker 1: our history.
Speaker 2: You need to learn from it like everything and everyone
Speaker 2: else everywhere else, But John, what's interesting here is that
Speaker 2: we are in a scenario twelve months out from a
Speaker 2: Victorian election. There is a list of demands and a
Speaker 2: government that doesn't seem to be too resistant to many
Speaker 2: of the demands. There's a lot of things that may
Speaker 2: well not cost money, like the renaming of this, that
Speaker 2: and the other, or the reorganizing of this, that and
Speaker 2: the other, and they'll all sort of get the automatic tick.
Speaker 2: But how we deal with and the justification for that
Speaker 2: being what is the truth telling part of this? But
Speaker 2: there is an awful lot of detail on how this
Speaker 2: is responded to really really matters. Now, I know you
Speaker 2: Cinderella and maybe we'll be playing for her place in
Speaker 2: history and we'll just tick and flic most of this.
Speaker 2: But we've got to be carefully to separate the necessary
Speaker 2: histories we all have to learn with how we quote
Speaker 2: unquote atone or deal with it?
Speaker 1: Thoughts Well, I think that's right, Paul. But there's two
Speaker 1: aspects of it.
Speaker 10: And you've put your finger on their history that Australia's history.
Speaker 10: Victoria's history is also notwithstanding the tragedy of what has
Speaker 10: happened to Indigenous Australians over two hundred years, is one
Speaker 10: of the world's greatest successful liberal democracy, freedom of speech,
Speaker 10: a quality, prosperity. None of that has been discussed in
Speaker 10: the Truth Telling Commission.
Speaker 1: I'd also say something else.
Speaker 10: This is about money, about reparations, it's about control of land.
Speaker 10: But I also think the renaming of things that people
Speaker 10: understand these issues are really important as well, and it's
Speaker 10: absolutely understandable we go back and discuss what has happened
Speaker 10: in the colonal period, but none of this helps us
Speaker 10: moving forward. We have to remember fifty four percent of Victorians,
Speaker 10: even in the socialist left capital.
Speaker 1: Of Australia, voted no to a voice.
Speaker 10: This is another example, just as we were talking about
Speaker 10: in public service salaries, a moment ago of the elites
Speaker 10: imposing their will on a public that doesn't want this,
Speaker 10: that doesn't need this. And I think they've said no
Speaker 10: to identity politics.
Speaker 1: And full credit to the Victorian Coalition.
Speaker 10: Down here in Melbourne, which had a lot of problems,
Speaker 10: but which has said no to a treaty and no
Speaker 10: to this process.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Stephen, it is not an accident that
Speaker 2: many reports by this commission were brought out today. Right,
Speaker 2: We're put simply, here's the stories of the past, the past,
Speaker 2: the past, the past, the past, obviously to rack up
Speaker 2: the moral case for what they claim to be.
Speaker 1: He is the future of the future of the future.
Speaker 2: Okay, So that's not accidental, that's the purpose of this
Speaker 2: whole process, right. And again I'm not sitting here going
Speaker 2: the bleeding heart. I'm not said of, you know, trying
Speaker 2: to trojan horse some leftism into you in Sky and
Speaker 2: his primetime. Relax everyone here, But what I am trying
Speaker 2: to say is there clearly is a way to deal
Speaker 2: with this. And as a person who sat around a
Speaker 2: cabinet table, how do you deal with this because you
Speaker 2: don't want to say yes to everything, You don't want
Speaker 2: to say no to everything, but you also don't want
Speaker 2: to flip everything on its head.
Speaker 8: Look, I think you've actually capsulated that really well, Paul.
Speaker 8: There is a role for the truth telling as it's
Speaker 8: been described, and for Australians to understand that what happened
Speaker 8: two hundred odd years ago was not quite as a
Speaker 8: peaceful transition as we want to believe. So I think
Speaker 8: there's a really important process, which is the point you've made.
Speaker 8: I would hope that the Alan government don't try and
Speaker 8: ram it through. I think they need to set out
Speaker 8: the case, make the points, get the community, the whole community,
Speaker 8: not just the Indigenous community who produced this report. I
Speaker 8: think it's important the Voice Pending told.
Speaker 1: Us a story. Out of the Voice.
Speaker 8: It was that we need to explain what we're trying
Speaker 8: to do. And I think that's the message that the
Speaker 8: Allen government should take out of the Voice because what
Speaker 8: happened was a backlash created. II thin going to be
Speaker 8: a terrible waste of all the work that's been done,
Speaker 8: the stories that have been put forward. If there was
Speaker 8: a backlash crowded because the Allen government tried to ram
Speaker 8: it down Victorian's throats, I think that would win the argument.
Speaker 8: But I think they need to be thoughtful and consultative
Speaker 8: and embracing in their way they take their Victorian community
Speaker 8: forward with us.
Speaker 2: The thing dare I say between now and November, let's
Speaker 2: see the governing, alternative and minor parties with their response
Speaker 2: to this report.
Speaker 1: Put it to that election.
Speaker 2: So there's no mystery about what will be the mandate
Speaker 2: for the further negotiation. But again my sense is, but
Speaker 2: if this might happen, will and truly before then a
Speaker 2: couple of things before I'll let you, fellows get back
Speaker 2: to your normal life.
Speaker 1: Thank you for swimming up the shallow end with.
Speaker 2: Me, which is Fiji's come out today and said no,
Speaker 2: bugger off. China not interested in you having a military base,
Speaker 2: certainly anywhere near them. This is great news for those
Speaker 2: of us who have long hoped that specific island nations
Speaker 2: would turn around and find a way to push back. Stephen,
Speaker 2: how long does that last? And does it change if
Speaker 2: there's a meeting in Beijing in two weeks time, because
Speaker 2: sometimes that seems to be the case.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 8: Look, I think Rambuga has got a very strong position
Speaker 8: on this. He's been the leader in the pushback within
Speaker 8: the Pacific and the South Pacific islands and he deserves
Speaker 8: a lot of credits and we need to keep supporting
Speaker 8: him as he is working with all those other island
Speaker 8: communities to say no to China. We need to be
Speaker 8: supporting him and pointing to how he's explaining what the
Speaker 8: Chinese tactics are and what they get up to. So
Speaker 8: more power to him than Australia needs to work closely
Speaker 8: with him to try and ensure we're not under any
Speaker 8: sort of pressure and threat around a Chinese military base.
Speaker 2: John, you can play on that one, Or what about
Speaker 2: the US is now starting to choke off the supply
Speaker 2: of arms to Ukraine. Your thoughts on either of these
Speaker 2: issues and worlds.
Speaker 10: And everything else too, Paul, just before we go to
Speaker 10: President Trump. I think Stephen is right. The Prime Minister
Speaker 10: of Fiji also talked about conserving in the ADF. At
Speaker 10: the moment that has been rejected. I think it should
Speaker 10: be very seriously considered. I think it would be very
Speaker 10: important for both countries, and I think the citizens of
Speaker 10: both countries would welcome it.
Speaker 1: You're right that the US.
Speaker 10: Has limited some supplies of missiles to the Ukraine in
Speaker 10: transit as they were literally being delivered, and I think
Speaker 10: we all have to hope that this doesn't signify a
Speaker 10: reduction in the commitment to Ukraine's fight for freedom against Russia.
Speaker 2: Unless, of course, there's a possibility here where the US
Speaker 2: is going to start sending alligators. Because I'm going to
Speaker 2: talk about this in a second with Meghan Kelly.
Speaker 1: Which is the.
Speaker 2: Alligator alcatras, which I love. Look, I don't know there's
Speaker 2: policy will at all. What's going to happen in the
Speaker 2: middle of a hurricane.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: It's a great idea, a wonderful message. The man knows
Speaker 2: how to do a bit at theater, and we'll get
Speaker 2: to that in a second. But Steven, give me the
Speaker 2: thirty seconds on what seems like the beginning of the
Speaker 2: tap being turned off.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Look, I mean this is just one now. I think
Speaker 8: what Trump is trying to do is weaken the Ukraine
Speaker 8: to give into Putin's demands. I think this is a
Speaker 8: terrible signal that he says to the Alliance and Western democracies.
Speaker 2: Well, this was a very adult and civilized chat. I
Speaker 2: look forward to having another one. But I'll find some
Speaker 2: way to what you're fighting. Thank you, lads, do appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you John, Thank you Stephen. All right, quick break.
Speaker 2: The wonderful Meghan Kelly joins us straight after the break,
Speaker 2: A good fun chat about everything from the Alcatraz situation,
Speaker 2: the alligator Alcatraz to or a whole lot more. She's
Speaker 2: the best in the business and I know you love
Speaker 2: seeing it. You'll see her every Wednesday night here on
Speaker 2: pulm Ree Life. Our favorite time of the week to
Speaker 2: talk to our favorite person in the world, the one,
Speaker 2: the only, the amazing Meghan Kelly. One of the stories
Speaker 2: today is the President who's going to the Guida Alcatraz,
Speaker 2: But we can't talk about that yet because on his
Speaker 2: way to the helicopter to go to the plane to
Speaker 2: go to all Gaeta Alcatraz, he has a little bit
Speaker 2: to say about his former mate, who remember I think
Speaker 2: even rented property in marri Lago, Elon Musk, suggesting he
Speaker 2: may deport him.
Speaker 11: Know he's upset, he is that he's losing his evy
Speaker 11: mandate and he's except yaller. He's very upset about things,
Speaker 11: but you know he could lose a lot more than that.
Speaker 11: It was just a monster that might have to go
Speaker 11: back and eat Elon.
Speaker 1: And we'll be there but this will never happen.
Speaker 3: But thoughts Megan, mom and dad are fighting again. He's
Speaker 3: always uncomfortable for the children. You don't want to witness it.
Speaker 3: You want it done behind closed doors where they can
Speaker 3: work things out quietly. Elon hates the big beautiful bell.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he genuinely sincerely hates it. It is it does,
Speaker 3: like on its papers, increase the deficit by some three
Speaker 3: trillion dollars over ten years. Trump doesn't believe that, and
Speaker 3: I understand he's actual. He got a very colorable argument,
Speaker 3: which is, this thing is going to unleash such growth
Speaker 3: and prosperity in America that that's not accounting for the
Speaker 3: growth is not factored in at all by these number
Speaker 3: crunchers who simply look at what are the outlays and
Speaker 3: what are the expected incomes, and when it comes to taxing.
Speaker 4: People, it doesn't factor in growth.
Speaker 3: So Trump is trying to say, you know, you're misjudging it.
Speaker 3: And I think he genuinely believes that Elon doesn't like spending.
Speaker 3: He's been of course, On does trying to stop too
Speaker 3: much government spending. And let's face it, Elon also doesn't
Speaker 3: like the fact that these green energy subsidies are being
Speaker 3: taken away. This is all in what Trump calls the
Speaker 3: Green new Scam. It was Joe Biden's Inflation Reduction Act,
Speaker 3: which was really just a green energy bill, offering these
Speaker 3: subsidies for wind power and solar power and evs to
Speaker 3: try to make people convert to this kind of energy,
Speaker 3: which we hate.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but we hate. Wind energy is a joke.
Speaker 3: It sucks, and all those wind turbines all over our
Speaker 3: beautiful oceans are killing whales. There's all sorts of evidence
Speaker 3: that it's really causing massive problems. Not to mention, they're unsightly,
Speaker 3: they're ugly. They're ruining some of the most beautiful coastlines
Speaker 3: in America. So people don't want this. The only way
Speaker 3: they buy these energy programs is if they're subsidized by
Speaker 3: their fellow taxpayers. And Trump is saying in this big
Speaker 3: beautiful bill, that's one of the things that's going I'm
Speaker 3: going to create no taxes on tips for waiters and waitresses.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do no taxes on overtime for the
Speaker 3: working class, no taxes on Social Security for the elderly.
Speaker 3: But something's got to give otherwise we really will run
Speaker 3: up the deficit. And what I want to give, among
Speaker 3: other things, is I'm done subsidizing these loser industries.
Speaker 4: We're capitalists. Either you make it on your own or
Speaker 4: you're done. Sorry. That's the way life works.
Speaker 3: But Elon has a massive presence in the ev industry
Speaker 3: and I think possibly the solar industry as well, and
Speaker 3: very much objects to this, and Trump so he's been
Speaker 3: very critical and now he's resumed his talk of creating
Speaker 3: a third party. And also on Monday, he said he
Speaker 3: is going to primary anyone who votes for this thing,
Speaker 3: which means literally every Republican but two in the Senate
Speaker 3: and virtually see him in the House. And Trump's getting
Speaker 3: annoyed again, so he is talking about possibly possibly deporting
Speaker 3: him and possibly seeking doge on Elon's subsidies that he
Speaker 3: gets from the FATS.
Speaker 2: I've just got this image of you know, the ice
Speaker 2: agents turning up and Elon's just you know, running like
Speaker 2: the billionaire towards his spacecraft to go up and just
Speaker 2: live above us, just float around constantly as an intergalactic
Speaker 2: citizen with the president, you know, waving every time it
Speaker 2: goes over. And look, you know, for people outside of
Speaker 2: America trying to pull apart the detail inside the big
Speaker 2: beautiful bill. But basically Trump went, look, we can do
Speaker 2: things bit by bit over four years, and we'll do
Speaker 2: it all at once, take it or leave it. And
Speaker 2: that means there's a lot of unpleasant tasting sandwiches for
Speaker 2: people that would have those things but are putting it
Speaker 2: all together. We'll see what happens. There's vote a ramas
Speaker 2: happening right now in the US within desperately trying to
Speaker 2: get this thing done. But let's get to Alligator Alcatraz.
Speaker 2: I don't know who came up with the name, but
Speaker 2: a bravo, a brovo to the branding department. Very well,
Speaker 2: we all know what this means, which is, I don't want.
Speaker 1: To go there.
Speaker 4: Right exactly.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 3: Trump's original idea was to reopen the actual Alcatraz, this prison,
Speaker 3: infamous prison off the coast of San Francisco where we
Speaker 3: used to have some of our worst criminals.
Speaker 4: It was closed.
Speaker 3: There are sorts of environmental problems out there, and Trump,
Speaker 3: you know, in his sort of off the cuffway, was like,
Speaker 3: let's reopen that we can send all the illegals and.
Speaker 4: The like, the worst of the worst out there.
Speaker 3: But that's a nightmare and environmentally was never going to happen.
Speaker 3: And so I think he got off of that pretty quickly,
Speaker 3: stopped talking about it, and suddenly we had Alligator Alcatraz,
Speaker 3: which is a great name. And I heard my friends
Speaker 3: over at Real Clear Politics debating on whether it should
Speaker 3: instead be called Python Prison because there's a lot of
Speaker 3: pythons down in this same region.
Speaker 4: Alligator Alcatraz is better.
Speaker 3: But yeah, either way, it could be like the subheading
Speaker 3: on a book also known as and that's where they
Speaker 3: want to put some of the worst and worst illegals
Speaker 3: that we're rounding up here. Okay, like you know these,
Speaker 3: Senator Chris van Holland, you don't want us to ship
Speaker 3: them off to El Salvador. How does alligator Alcatraz sound
Speaker 3: to you? Ron DeSantis is an ally to the President
Speaker 3: and is totally on board, and this thing is supposed
Speaker 3: to be able to house some five thousand of our
Speaker 3: worst offenders.
Speaker 4: So cool.
Speaker 1: I think it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: Honestly, this branding alone, that message will go to every
Speaker 2: single corner of everyone and make them even more right
Speaker 2: and rightly.
Speaker 4: So just that curiosity.
Speaker 3: As an Aussie, I've got to ask you, would you
Speaker 3: prefer to be confronted with a bunch of pythons while
Speaker 3: breaking out of a prison or a bunch of alligators.
Speaker 2: The reason I say alligator is what you should stick
Speaker 2: with is because sometimes you know people who work out,
Speaker 2: they have pythons, big pythons muscles, so that would sort
Speaker 2: of seem like, I don't know, there'd kind of be
Speaker 2: a strange energy coming out of the python in prison.
Speaker 2: I think that's the place you can work out, right,
Speaker 2: But alligator because obviously we've got crocodiles and you know
Speaker 2: they kick alligator's asses all day, no question, right, But
Speaker 2: I don't want to be mucking around with an alligator.
Speaker 2: Anytime you even see those things on a golf course,
Speaker 2: you want to run the other way, let alone thinking
Speaker 2: about oh you know, hey, hose, do you want to
Speaker 2: jump over the fence?
Speaker 1: No, why there's alligators there? That's right?
Speaker 3: And also remember this, if you ever get chased by one,
Speaker 3: run serpentine.
Speaker 4: Serpentine, You've got to the left of right, not a
Speaker 4: street line.
Speaker 2: You learn something. That's what I like about the chance
Speaker 2: with Meking you learn something. You can see her on
Speaker 2: the Meg and Kelly show her YouTube channel, podcast or
Speaker 2: Serious XM quick break back with more. Now, Donald Trump
Speaker 2: has got a fragrance that he is out in the selling.
Speaker 1: Because of course he's earning less money than.
Speaker 2: Albow as a leader of a country. But if Albo
Speaker 2: had to have a fragrance, what would it be? Your
Speaker 2: suggestions which have been spectacular next last night, I could
Speaker 2: not help but notice that the president of the United States,
Speaker 2: as a way of trying to make up money, because
Speaker 2: you see, the Australian Prime Minister earns more money than
Speaker 2: the President of the United States. The Australian Prime minister
Speaker 2: earns more than the UK Prime minister. The Australian Prime
Speaker 2: minister is paid more than six hundred thousand dollars. The
Speaker 2: Prime Minister of India one beating people earns thirty six
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. So sometimes you got to have a side hustle.
Speaker 2: And for Donald Trump, the side hustle that he is
Speaker 2: openly promoting on his Trump Social is Trump Fragrances, and
Speaker 2: he even has an ad to tell you how you
Speaker 2: can have a little bit of a whiff like him.
Speaker 11: My new Trump fragrances are here. They make a great
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Speaker 11: represent winning.
Speaker 1: We all want to be winning.
Speaker 11: We have to win as a nation, we want to
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Speaker 1: That's my favorite line of all of that. Did buy it?
Speaker 1: They'll even smell good. That is a man who.
Speaker 2: Knows his crowd well. I asked you to send me suggestions, supports,
Speaker 2: goings dot com dot a you of the potential side
Speaker 2: hustle for our prime minister. What could be some of
Speaker 2: the ou de toilettes that we could have to improve
Speaker 2: his whiff? Well, thank you very much, because I got
Speaker 2: flooded now. About a third of them were toilet related,
Speaker 2: which I wasn't going to go near. Some were a
Speaker 2: little even dirtier than that, but some were very clever.
Speaker 1: So please let us go through the.
Speaker 2: Fragrance aisle of your local department store, where coming soon
Speaker 2: may well be one of the fragrances de albo The
Speaker 2: first one here is Albonicia, which is like the man
Speaker 2: forget the beau fragrance.
Speaker 1: That is from Catherine.
Speaker 2: Thank you about on the nose when only a third
Speaker 2: of the country votes for you to be prime minister,
Speaker 2: Get on the nose. Thank you, Patrick, thank you, James,
Speaker 2: Thank you Amanda. Seven three seven. There's nothing like getting
Speaker 2: away from the country that you are slowly driving into
Speaker 2: the ground than seven three seven total Number two The
Speaker 2: scent for a man who wants to be normal but
Speaker 2: clearly isn't. Thank you Gary, Thank you Eltha. Blackout the
Speaker 2: smell of green energy a unique blend of sparks and
Speaker 2: continuous blackouts.
Speaker 1: Thank you Graham. I like this one.
Speaker 2: Each spray elbow for the man who likes to keep
Speaker 2: both faces smelling fresh.
Speaker 1: Well done, Jeffrey. I like that snack, and that as well.
Speaker 2: Airbus the scent of jet fuel, James Price says, because.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's born with it. Maybe he's make believe. I
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 2: Say you think long and hard here, and you de
Speaker 2: delu MoU. Thank you Chris, for the perfect man who's
Speaker 2: in his sixties, who wants to see him down with
Speaker 2: the kids. I want more no common sense, This one
Speaker 2: from Bev and her family as well. When you have
Speaker 2: spent the entire country's money and all everyone is left
Speaker 2: with is no common sense. And I've been traveling in
Speaker 2: the car. Carlos's suggestion for the man who never ever
Speaker 2: ever takes responsibility, just some of the fragrances coming to
Speaker 2: a gift. I'll need you the perfect fathers, mothers or they,
Speaker 2: days or parent or guardian or legal careholders. Day afternoon
Speaker 2: or whatever period of day does not offend day or night,
Speaker 2: because The last thing you ever want to do, particularly
Speaker 2: when smelling like Albow, is make a decision.
Speaker 1: That's our show for to night. He's the late debate