WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 30 May 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:04.960 On scoring Wields Ostrodia. 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:07.200 This is the Reader Panekee Show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:11.160 Good evening, Welcome to the Reader Panahe Show. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.319 I'm Caroline Derusso, the great Reader Panahe will be back 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.759 next week, but for tonight you've got me in the 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.479 hot seat. Here's what we've got coming up on the 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:22.279 show tonight. The jury in the Trump trial is out 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.560 on deliberation. You will not believe what the judge has said. 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:28.120 We will give you the latest on all that the 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.600 Albanesi government scrambles to try and fix the visa system 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:35.640 they broke. Meanwhile, Labor is still split over the issue 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.360 of gas, as some members are finally mugged by the 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.120 reality that we will still need gas and will do 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.480 for a while. And speaking of gas, you'll never guess 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:48.840 what North Korea filled these balloons up with. But before 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:50.879 we get to that, we have just clicked over a 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:54.400 week since the UK general election was called and today. 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.080 Parliament will be formally dissolved. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.960 As they say, a week is a long time in politics, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.080 and it feels as though much has happened, but most 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:05.400 of it seems like white noise. We've had the Libdem 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:08.240 leader Ed Davy oddly fall from a paddle board into 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:09.039 Lake Windermere. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:10.000 The point of that. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.800 Exercise totally escapes me, but I'm sure some political nuff 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.920 he thought it was a good publicity stunt. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:19.280 You'll recall that recently Labor whip Diane. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.679 Abbott was stood down over anti Semitism allegations and was 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:26.080 barred from standing as a Labor candidate, and then yesterday 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.280 it was reported that the bar was overturned on the 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.520 outcome of the investigation. And well, we think she's allowed 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.840 to run, but it's hard to get a straight answer. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.520 Even the Tories aren't quite sure about the result of 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:39.800 the investigation and have asked questions themselves. 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:43.280 In any event, she's still better off than Jeremy Corbyn, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.679 who's been formerly binned from the Labor Party. He was 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.360 banned from standing as a candidate and was then expelled after. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.400 He confirmed he would run. 0:01:51.320 --> 0:01:55.320 As an independent. Corbyn believes he could retain Islington North 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.640 as an independent, and one wonders whether this campaign will 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.800 become a focal point or a pain point for Labor 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.440 on the foreign policy front, given the conflict in the 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:08.760 Middle East and Corbyn's cushy relationship with Hamas. All of 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.840 this is going on while a veritable congoline of Tory 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:15.120 MPs decide to put themselves out to pasture before their. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:16.480 Constituents do it for them. 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:21.040 And if that isn't enough, rukis and dysfunction, Rishi Sunac 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.959 is on the blower to Boris Johnson to discuss the 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:26.880 risk that Kiir Starmer and Labor post to the country. 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.000 It's a very interesting chitchat given Sunac resigned as Chancellor 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.400 in July twenty twenty two, which saw the Johnson government 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.840 fall within days. Oh how short and convenient memories are 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.800 in politics. And then there's Nigel Farage, who isn't standing 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.519 for election for reasons which are not entirely clear. Apparently 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:49.320 he was going to run, but it's hard to win 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.160 a constituency, so he didn't. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.880 And then he's worried about the other side cheating. 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.320 But he will still help Rishi Sunac's salvage of the 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.440 Tory campaign. So instead of spending six weeks stuck in 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:03.280 a constituency, he's going to travel around the country, not 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.799 just supporting reform candidates, but also trying to get proper 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:10.200 debate going. I'm not quite sure I follow that maze 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:14.160 of reasoning, except that debate is never far from mister Farage, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.440 that is for sure, and ladies and Jens, this is 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.480 just the musical chairs. We haven't even really got stuck 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.320 into the policy platforms yet. But rather than try and 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.040 appeal to voters, Sunak appears to be playing to older 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:30.440 Brits with promises to raise the pension tax free allowance 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.760 and return to the nostalgia of national service. They seem 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:38.200 like odd policy announcements after being so long in government, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.720 but perhaps that political calculus is less focused on the 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.480 future of the country and more focused on who's actually 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.320 likely to turn out to vote now. The polls have 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.920 shown a slight improvement for the Tories recently, and when 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:53.320 I say slight, I mean the plunge appears to have 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:57.240 been arrested, not enough to retain government, but perhaps enough 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.360 to ensure the morning after papers label and an election defeat 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:02.640 as a loss rather. 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.520 Than a total unmitigated she lacking. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.560 Now it is an old, tired government, but is it 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:10.800 worse than the alternative? And that appears to be an 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:14.600 inevitable choice for many Brits. The Tories have been, let's 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.880 be honest, roundly disappointing in recent times, but Labor is 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:22.440 directionless and hapless, broadcaster and commentator Esther Crak who described 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.360 the choice between Sunac and Starma as like having to 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:29.680 choose between cholera and dysentery. A recent poll showed, amongst 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:32.800 other things, that Sir Kir was more trusted by voters 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.440 and mister Sunac to change a tire, assemble flat pack furniture, 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.760 and offer to pay for the first round in the pub. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.240 The Labor leader also beats. 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.279 His Tory rival on who is more likely to lend 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.360 money if usked and to win popular game shows such 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.479 as Celebrity Master Chef or I'm a Celebrity, Get Me 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:50.000 out of Here. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.599 With such serious issues at. 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.719 Play at the moment, it seems almost inappropriate to be 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.880 so cavalier about this decision making. Or maybe it's just 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.920 an exercise in if you don't laugh, you'll. 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.160 Cry the sherry. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.320 On top of all of this is an article in 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:11.400 The Australian by Troy Branston lamenting Kirstarmer's lack of charisma. Now, 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.680 when someone as blamage as Troy Bramston notices a lack 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:15.880 of charisma, you know a. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.279 Party League leader is Pete Vanilla. But then again, maybe 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:25.120 that's all Kirstarma needs to be. Well, that's the first week. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.839 It's a long time until the election on July four, 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:31.240 and it's anyone's guess where this circus ultimately ends up. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.040 Let's bring in mensi's Research Center senior fellow and columnist 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.520 Nick cat Nick before we dive into domestic news. What's 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.880 your view on the UK general election campaign so far. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:48.400 I don't think I can add much to that brilliant 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:51.680 summary you just gave, Caroline, except to say that because 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:56.120 we're talking about all the peripheries, all the show and 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.800 the circus of it is a worry for Britain because 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.840 they've got some serious po the issues to deal with, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:05.120 not Lisa, which actually is energy. Electricity prices are through 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.320 the roof there. But it's got all that feel, hasn't it, 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.120 of a tired government coming to the end of its 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.360 third term labor thinking they can just waltz in and 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:16.800 they don't have to do terribly much to get into power, 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.440 which is worrying because they are going to be I think, 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.039 by far the most left wing government Britton's ever seen 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.880 if they were to be elected. But let's see, you've 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:26.960 got a few weeks to play out. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:31.479 Yet well back home, we continue to get nothing but 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.880 bad news out of the Department of Immigration. The implementation 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:38.400 of Direction ninety nine is at the very best misguided, Nick, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.680 and today the Prime Minister has confirmed that it will 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.000 be reviewed. Can you explain to our audience what is 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.440 Direction ninety nine, what are as consequences and what on 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:49.960 earth was the Minister thinking. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.880 I can't explain the last bit, but what the Minister 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:57.320 was thinking, but I'll give you the rest. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:57.920 I mean. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:01.599 Direction ninety nine was an edict from the Minister to 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.600 the Administry of Affairs Tribunal who deal with immigration appeals, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.159 saying that if somebody spent a bit of time in Australia, 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:11.920 if they've got some ties to the Australian community, and 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:14.600 that's all left very vague, then we should give that 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:18.240 weight as against other factors like their criminal record. So 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.679 you know, the AAT Commissioner to have taken the Minister 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.960 seriously and they've done exactly that in these high profile 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.960 cases where people with rape offences, child abuse offenses, violent crime, 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.920 drug dealing, people that would all you know, would have 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:35.320 been before Direction ninety nine would have been out on 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.880 their ear. Now they can stay because they've got some 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:41.800 connection with the Australian community. I thought the only connection 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.440 that really mattered was whether you're prepare to take out 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.160 citizenship and take an oath of loyalty to the country. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.680 That's how it used to be. But now apparently you 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:52.400 don't need to do that. Not called the Direction ninety nine. 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:59.720 But you think the minister's incompetence in this is absolutely indefensible. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.440 But apparently not. Here's Clara O'Neil going into bat for 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:03.240 her colleague. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.160 Actually, Minister Giles has stepped in here. He's taking action 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.840 as a good minister would do. He's doing the right thing. 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.239 He's stepped in at the right moment. 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:12.040 He stepped in. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:12.800 At the right moment. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.120 Okay, A lot of people would dispute that he put 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:20.320 in this direction, this ministerial direction last January. Then they 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.160 use the laws, this direction that was put in by 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:27.720 your government to stay in this country. So do you 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:31.200 think it's maybe too late that Andrew Giles is acting now? 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.120 I just reiterate what Minister Giles has said yesterday. Those 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:37.560 visas were canceled by the part that government plays in this. 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.960 An independent tribunal overturned those decisions. 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.280 Nick, When is the Prime Minister going to show some 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.200 leadership here and put the safety of Australians before his mate. 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.280 Look, you know, we call this incompetence and that's what 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.480 it looks like from our point of view. But actually, 0:08:55.880 --> 0:09:00.000 let's not forget that Albanezi and Andrew Giles they actually 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:04.320 philosophically wants an open border policy. They've only been forced 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.720 to do the turnback thing because of the electoral reasons, 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:09.760 but that cuts across the grain to them. I mean 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.800 what they've done here in making it easier for all 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.960 sorts of migrants, whether desirable or not, to stay in 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.800 the country, that's exactly what they think. I mean, it's 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.400 the same as the Democrats in the United States, isn't it. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.319 Look at the open borders there. It's in their mindset. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.040 So it's not in competence as so much as ideological 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:29.960 madness in my view. 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:35.559 Now on to the ABC and the fallout from the 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:40.440 Laura Tingle racism SAKA continues. Yesterday, ABC News director Justin 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:45.319 Stevens released a statement which said the following, amongst other things, 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.520 Laura Tingle's remarks at the Sydney Writers Festival at the 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:53.079 week and lacked the context, balance and supporting information of 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.000 her work for the ABC, and will not have met 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:00.600 ABC's editorial standards. Although the remarks were conversational not made 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.080 in her work capacity, the ABC and its employees have 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:07.679 a unique obligation in the Australian media. 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:09.720 Yet there doesn't seem. 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.679 To appear to be any acknowledgment of this failure from 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.680 Miss Tingle in her op ed length statement. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:21.960 Does any No, No, she's full of self justification in there, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.079 and she's been misunderstood and it's the Murdock Press and 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.160 all that sort of stuff. It's what you expect. We've 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.720 seen this play out before, haven't we That an ABC 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.719 reporter or commentator, you know, makes some outrageous statement or 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:41.959 does some misreporting, say for instance, on Donald Trump and Russia, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.439 and it's just ignored. They get away with it. It's 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.240 a travesty and absolute travesty. And I wonder what it 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.000 would take to actually bring some discipline to the ABC, 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:56.319 because it seems that management are trying their best to 0:10:57.040 --> 0:10:59.520 look like they're saying the right things, but you know, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.160 it's very gentle slat with a wet letters leaf. I 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.000 think to Laura Jingle from ABC Management and there's no 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.600 consequences for us. She's too powerful. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.400 Speaking of no consequences, and the Greens continue to take 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:18.240 a rather myopic and jaundice view of the conflict in Gaza. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.960 Here's Adam Bant at the weekend struggling to admit that 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.719 Hermas is a terrorist organization. 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.520 Do you also agree Hamas is a terrorist organization that 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:27.680 needs to be dismantled. 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:32.240 Well, they're listed as a terrorist organization and our point 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.040 is now, well, it's it's just a fact. 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:35.160 Supported. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:36.959 Do you think they're a terrorist organization? We're not. 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.240 We're not arguing to change they were saying they're listed 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.479 as a terrorist organization. 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:42.120 Agree the terrorist organization? 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.920 Well, but the point is what are you going to 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:50.439 do with the Palestinian civilians? Do not cannot be collectively punished. 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:53.240 Having some trouble saying that Hamas is a terrorist organization. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.320 And then Nick yesterday the Greens engaged in an epic 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.880 display of wedge politics, seeking to put up a motion 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.160 to recognize Palestinian statehood. The Coalition, Labor and part of 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.680 the cross Bench they oppose the motion to suspend parliamentary 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.679 business to debate recognition of a Palestinian state. Now there 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.079 were two things which I thought particularly interesting to my mind, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.600 the part of the cross bench which voted with the 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:20.679 major parties and the ones who abstained, and then the 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.719 Greens tantrum in the aftermath about labor preferences. 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.080 It was a rather instructive vote, wasn't it. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.280 Absolutely. And the fact that Adam Bant and the Greens 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.520 are prepared to play politics with a crucial foreign policy 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:41.040 issue like this, it just shows we're in a very 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.200 very dangerous position if they get the balance of power 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:47.360 in the next election. And I think you're right. You know, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.720 what I think is going on here is that nobody 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:56.800 in the Greens or is really taking the foreign policy 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:01.520 issues seriously. They're just after another Totalstinian people are their 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.440 latest totem. You know, was the polar Bear one day 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.520 and the climate the next, and today it's the Palestinian people. 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.800 They've got nil understanding, zero understanding of the history and 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.680 the politics of this, as Julia Gillard wisely pointed out 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:21.560 last weekend, and they're simply trying to make get their 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:26.520 supporters on board with this virtuous statement over something they 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.240 know absolutely zero about. And they're ignoring and closing their 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.920 eyes to the terrible terrible events of October seventh. 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.280 Here here now onto the corporates and the new cycle. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.439 Nick is littered with corporates taking positions on matters they 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.680 probably shouldn't and then receiving an uppercut from. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:47.760 The public for their effort. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.439 An interesting piece in the AFR about US corporations who 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:55.520 are deciding to stay mum on non call business. Are 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:56.920 they finally learning. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.640 Well, this is interesting, isn't it. They're backing away from 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.040 this ESG business, which you know, a couple of years 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.319 ago was supposed to be the new way of accounting. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.600 Everybody was supposed to do their accounts according to this. 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:14.920 This is just not workable, is it. In the end 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.080 of the day, I don't think that we're seeing the 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:21.080 end of woke capitalism by any means, And in fact, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.880 I'm probably only just beginning, because the sort of people 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.359 that are now filling their offices, or the different diversity 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.440 and inclusion staff and so forth, they've got it just 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:33.640 in sheer numbers. There are so many of them. They're 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.320 influencing these companies. But at the end of the day, 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:38.680 you know, reality does hit. I mean, they have to 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:44.680 make a profit, and if ESG is really seriously damaging 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:46.080 the bottom line, they're not going to do it. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:49.600 I think that's fair. 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:53.160 And ultimately nothing brings anyone crashing down to reality, quite 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.080 like some corporate insolvency. But still over in the US 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.480 and the dury in the Trump trial, they're deliberating the moment. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:03.480 Let's just say the last day or so has been 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:04.480 rather eventful. 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:05.960 First, Trump said. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:10.280 This, what's happening here is weaponization at a level that 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.040 nobody seen before ever. In listening to the judges. From 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:15.640 the judges, as you know. 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.560 Very conflicted and corrupt. 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:24.040 Because of the confliction, very very corrupt, Mother. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.080 Teresa could not be these judges. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:27.960 These judges are rigged. 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:29.480 The whole thing is rigged. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.160 The whole country's have messed between. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.720 And then the judge's direction to jurors that raise some eyebrows. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:35.920 Here. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.960 It is one thing in particular that this judge said 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:44.600 that these jurors could do. He just delivered what is 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:47.440 being called really the pinnacle of all of this. He 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.160 said that there is no need to agree on what 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.520 has occurred. They can disagree on what the crime was 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.040 among the three choices. Thus, this means that they could 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.640 split four four four and the judge would still treat 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.040 them unanimously. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.120 And then lastly, this was the hot take from a 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:08.880 commentator at MSNBC. 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.600 As you've noted with respect judge Mushan, I mean, I am, 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.440 I am like now you know, I have like a 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.800 man crash on him. He is such a great judge 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.120 that it's hard to see that the jurors wouldn't have 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.320 the same impression. And he's just you just keep on thinking. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:29.160 If you looked in a dictionary for judicial temperament, that's 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:29.880 what you get. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:34.840 Nick, Can this chial get any more ridiculous? 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.760 That's weird that MSBC quote, isn't it? That really is 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.920 very strange. Look, no, you can't. And Trump is right, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.680 you know he said that even mother Teresa couldn't escape 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.800 the charges and couldn't get off this one. And he's 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:54.800 absolutely right that the whole thing is terribly rigged against him. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.120 But is that, Caroline, you know about the law. Is 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.520 that right? Are they going to say, okay, we've got 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.440 three child is you can pick anyone. You don't have 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.880 to all agree that he's guilty of one of those charges. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.680 Just if anybody thinks he's guilty of something, that'll do 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.320 That's just not justice, is it? That surely have been 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:16.040 challenged in a higher court. But you know, it is 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.119 a circus at the end of the day. And Trump 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.320 wether he'll you know, whatever the sentence, whatever the verdicts, 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:23.879 you know, he's a winner out of this. 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:29.240 I think, yeah, I think that's fair, definitely politically in 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.280 any event. And no, I haven't seen a court in 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.920 this country or a judge in this country give that 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:35.720 sort of direction. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:38.200 I'm not quite sure how far they would get. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.800 But moving on, and there are a number obviously of 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:44.760 fragile geopolitical situations around the world, and the Korean peninsula 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.800 well that one there's been dicey for decades, but recently 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.320 a balloon has erupted. What on earth is this about? 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.800 Well, this is supposed to be retaliation, isn't it that 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.560 the North Koreans are retaliating for the South Koreans sending 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.160 a little USB sticks across on balloons with k Pop 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.800 on them. And they're added by sending lots of rubbish 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.480 and feces in these balloons which fall to the ground. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.280 It rather confirms our thoughts about North Korea, doesn't it. 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.200 I mean a lot of people get to go there 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.520 and those who do aren't given free access to walk around. Still. 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.440 But you know, if this is the best that Korean culture, 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:26.840 North Korean culture could provide to the South in return 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.920 for wonder all usb sticks of K pop, it really 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.600 does confirm our thoughts about what sort of regime and 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:33.800 what sort of country it is. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:34.760 It's just. 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.960 On that level. But it's also pretty disgusting. And I 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:42.600 can't even say what's in those bags on television? 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.240 Yeah, well, look, it was not something that I was 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:50.119 expecting to read about today, and I was a little 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.520 shocked myself even by what we know about North Korean 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:57.320 standards on those sorts of matters. Anyway, Nick Kata, thank 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:58.320 you so much for your time. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:01.600 Thank you, Jeren. 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.919 Joining me now is renewable energy project developer and consultant 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:06.879 Peter Kerr. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.760 Peter, welcome to the show, Thanks Keren, thanks for having 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:10.320 me now. 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.800 Peter, your neck deep in the energy market here in 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.760 Wa and across the country. There seems to be a 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:21.320 myriad of energy infrastructure projects which have been proposed. Obviously, 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.760 they're not all equal, and it's been reported this week 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.720 that a proposed offshore wind farm in Victoria that Shell 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.440 was going to build has been quietly shelved. The federal 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.960 and Victorian governments have been big on offshore wind power. 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.200 Why this one make the cup? 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:38.560 I think there are two reasons. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.000 The first is all those Shells one of the biggest 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.600 energy companies in the world, They're not the leading offshore 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.960 wind players, so they're probably beaten to the punch by 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.840 some of the more experienced types. The second one is 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:55.719 that their CEO has recently made a big play about 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.199 winding back some of Shell's renewable energy ambitions. So I 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:03.560 suspect this project was marginal for them, okay, and became 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:04.639 surplus to requirements. 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.360 So yeah, it's still going ahead. But with other bigger 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:09.400 players in their shore wind market. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:10.240 Yeah, no fair enough. 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.920 And still on Victoria, we've seen the Energy Minister Lily 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.280 dan Brose. She's moved a little bit on gas, but 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:19.399 she still seems to be at odds with her federal counterpart, 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:24.640 Madeline King, that Victorian labor government has had some pretty 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:30.080 strident anti gas policies in recent years. How impactful is 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.239 that not only for their energy market but for their 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:33.200 economy going forward. 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:35.840 Look, maybe if I step it back. 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.119 It's a debate we often hear in the renewal industry, 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:43.760 there's no lack of desire to want to move as 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:47.280 quickly as you can from fossil fulls to renewable energy 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:50.119 and one of those people, but there is a pragmatic 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:53.960 part of the industry that acknowledges that gas will be 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.159 a major part for many years to come off the 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.960 transition to renewals, and so I think that's where the 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:06.240 challenge is. And if you're not planning carefully that transition, 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.920 you can have unintended consequences, and that is higher gas 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:12.840 prices if you're not bringing on you know, supplies or 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:16.800 at least maintaining adequate supplies. And so yeah, at the moment, 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:20.959 for example, in Victoria, gas prices domestically for industry are 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:23.199 at least fifty percent higher than they are here in 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.560 Western Australia, and so that goes to the bottom line 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:32.320