Speaker 1: On scoring Wields Ostrodia.
Speaker 2: This is the Reader Panekee Show.
Speaker 3: Good evening, Welcome to the Reader Panahe Show.
Speaker 4: I'm Caroline Derusso, the great Reader Panahe will be back
Speaker 4: next week, but for tonight you've got me in the
Speaker 4: hot seat. Here's what we've got coming up on the
Speaker 4: show tonight. The jury in the Trump trial is out
Speaker 4: on deliberation. You will not believe what the judge has said.
Speaker 4: We will give you the latest on all that the
Speaker 4: Albanesi government scrambles to try and fix the visa system
Speaker 4: they broke. Meanwhile, Labor is still split over the issue
Speaker 4: of gas, as some members are finally mugged by the
Speaker 4: reality that we will still need gas and will do
Speaker 4: for a while. And speaking of gas, you'll never guess
Speaker 4: what North Korea filled these balloons up with. But before
Speaker 4: we get to that, we have just clicked over a
Speaker 4: week since the UK general election was called and today.
Speaker 3: Parliament will be formally dissolved.
Speaker 4: As they say, a week is a long time in politics,
Speaker 4: and it feels as though much has happened, but most
Speaker 4: of it seems like white noise. We've had the Libdem
Speaker 4: leader Ed Davy oddly fall from a paddle board into
Speaker 4: Lake Windermere.
Speaker 3: The point of that.
Speaker 4: Exercise totally escapes me, but I'm sure some political nuff
Speaker 4: he thought it was a good publicity stunt.
Speaker 3: You'll recall that recently Labor whip Diane.
Speaker 4: Abbott was stood down over anti Semitism allegations and was
Speaker 4: barred from standing as a Labor candidate, and then yesterday
Speaker 4: it was reported that the bar was overturned on the
Speaker 4: outcome of the investigation. And well, we think she's allowed
Speaker 4: to run, but it's hard to get a straight answer.
Speaker 3: Even the Tories aren't quite sure about the result of
Speaker 3: the investigation and have asked questions themselves.
Speaker 4: In any event, she's still better off than Jeremy Corbyn,
Speaker 4: who's been formerly binned from the Labor Party. He was
Speaker 4: banned from standing as a candidate and was then expelled after.
Speaker 3: He confirmed he would run.
Speaker 4: As an independent. Corbyn believes he could retain Islington North
Speaker 4: as an independent, and one wonders whether this campaign will
Speaker 4: become a focal point or a pain point for Labor
Speaker 4: on the foreign policy front, given the conflict in the
Speaker 4: Middle East and Corbyn's cushy relationship with Hamas. All of
Speaker 4: this is going on while a veritable congoline of Tory
Speaker 4: MPs decide to put themselves out to pasture before their.
Speaker 3: Constituents do it for them.
Speaker 4: And if that isn't enough, rukis and dysfunction, Rishi Sunac
Speaker 4: is on the blower to Boris Johnson to discuss the
Speaker 4: risk that Kiir Starmer and Labor post to the country.
Speaker 4: It's a very interesting chitchat given Sunac resigned as Chancellor
Speaker 4: in July twenty twenty two, which saw the Johnson government
Speaker 4: fall within days. Oh how short and convenient memories are
Speaker 4: in politics. And then there's Nigel Farage, who isn't standing
Speaker 4: for election for reasons which are not entirely clear. Apparently
Speaker 4: he was going to run, but it's hard to win
Speaker 4: a constituency, so he didn't.
Speaker 3: And then he's worried about the other side cheating.
Speaker 4: But he will still help Rishi Sunac's salvage of the
Speaker 4: Tory campaign. So instead of spending six weeks stuck in
Speaker 4: a constituency, he's going to travel around the country, not
Speaker 4: just supporting reform candidates, but also trying to get proper
Speaker 4: debate going. I'm not quite sure I follow that maze
Speaker 4: of reasoning, except that debate is never far from mister Farage,
Speaker 4: that is for sure, and ladies and Jens, this is
Speaker 4: just the musical chairs. We haven't even really got stuck
Speaker 4: into the policy platforms yet. But rather than try and
Speaker 4: appeal to voters, Sunak appears to be playing to older
Speaker 4: Brits with promises to raise the pension tax free allowance
Speaker 4: and return to the nostalgia of national service. They seem
Speaker 4: like odd policy announcements after being so long in government,
Speaker 4: but perhaps that political calculus is less focused on the
Speaker 4: future of the country and more focused on who's actually
Speaker 4: likely to turn out to vote now. The polls have
Speaker 4: shown a slight improvement for the Tories recently, and when
Speaker 4: I say slight, I mean the plunge appears to have
Speaker 4: been arrested, not enough to retain government, but perhaps enough
Speaker 4: to ensure the morning after papers label and an election defeat
Speaker 4: as a loss rather.
Speaker 3: Than a total unmitigated she lacking.
Speaker 4: Now it is an old, tired government, but is it
Speaker 4: worse than the alternative? And that appears to be an
Speaker 4: inevitable choice for many Brits. The Tories have been, let's
Speaker 4: be honest, roundly disappointing in recent times, but Labor is
Speaker 4: directionless and hapless, broadcaster and commentator Esther Crak who described
Speaker 4: the choice between Sunac and Starma as like having to
Speaker 4: choose between cholera and dysentery. A recent poll showed, amongst
Speaker 4: other things, that Sir Kir was more trusted by voters
Speaker 4: and mister Sunac to change a tire, assemble flat pack furniture,
Speaker 4: and offer to pay for the first round in the pub.
Speaker 3: The Labor leader also beats.
Speaker 4: His Tory rival on who is more likely to lend
Speaker 4: money if usked and to win popular game shows such
Speaker 4: as Celebrity Master Chef or I'm a Celebrity, Get Me
Speaker 4: out of Here.
Speaker 3: With such serious issues at.
Speaker 4: Play at the moment, it seems almost inappropriate to be
Speaker 4: so cavalier about this decision making. Or maybe it's just
Speaker 4: an exercise in if you don't laugh, you'll.
Speaker 3: Cry the sherry.
Speaker 4: On top of all of this is an article in
Speaker 4: The Australian by Troy Branston lamenting Kirstarmer's lack of charisma. Now,
Speaker 4: when someone as blamage as Troy Bramston notices a lack
Speaker 4: of charisma, you know a.
Speaker 3: Party League leader is Pete Vanilla. But then again, maybe
Speaker 3: that's all Kirstarma needs to be. Well, that's the first week.
Speaker 4: It's a long time until the election on July four,
Speaker 4: and it's anyone's guess where this circus ultimately ends up.
Speaker 4: Let's bring in mensi's Research Center senior fellow and columnist
Speaker 4: Nick cat Nick before we dive into domestic news. What's
Speaker 4: your view on the UK general election campaign so far.
Speaker 5: I don't think I can add much to that brilliant
Speaker 5: summary you just gave, Caroline, except to say that because
Speaker 5: we're talking about all the peripheries, all the show and
Speaker 5: the circus of it is a worry for Britain because
Speaker 5: they've got some serious po the issues to deal with,
Speaker 5: not Lisa, which actually is energy. Electricity prices are through
Speaker 5: the roof there. But it's got all that feel, hasn't it,
Speaker 5: of a tired government coming to the end of its
Speaker 5: third term labor thinking they can just waltz in and
Speaker 5: they don't have to do terribly much to get into power,
Speaker 5: which is worrying because they are going to be I think,
Speaker 5: by far the most left wing government Britton's ever seen
Speaker 5: if they were to be elected. But let's see, you've
Speaker 5: got a few weeks to play out.
Speaker 4: Yet well back home, we continue to get nothing but
Speaker 4: bad news out of the Department of Immigration. The implementation
Speaker 4: of Direction ninety nine is at the very best misguided, Nick,
Speaker 4: and today the Prime Minister has confirmed that it will
Speaker 4: be reviewed. Can you explain to our audience what is
Speaker 4: Direction ninety nine, what are as consequences and what on
Speaker 4: earth was the Minister thinking.
Speaker 5: I can't explain the last bit, but what the Minister
Speaker 5: was thinking, but I'll give you the rest.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 5: Direction ninety nine was an edict from the Minister to
Speaker 5: the Administry of Affairs Tribunal who deal with immigration appeals,
Speaker 5: saying that if somebody spent a bit of time in Australia,
Speaker 5: if they've got some ties to the Australian community, and
Speaker 5: that's all left very vague, then we should give that
Speaker 5: weight as against other factors like their criminal record. So
Speaker 5: you know, the AAT Commissioner to have taken the Minister
Speaker 5: seriously and they've done exactly that in these high profile
Speaker 5: cases where people with rape offences, child abuse offenses, violent crime,
Speaker 5: drug dealing, people that would all you know, would have
Speaker 5: been before Direction ninety nine would have been out on
Speaker 5: their ear. Now they can stay because they've got some
Speaker 5: connection with the Australian community. I thought the only connection
Speaker 5: that really mattered was whether you're prepare to take out
Speaker 5: citizenship and take an oath of loyalty to the country.
Speaker 5: That's how it used to be. But now apparently you
Speaker 5: don't need to do that. Not called the Direction ninety nine.
Speaker 4: But you think the minister's incompetence in this is absolutely indefensible.
Speaker 3: But apparently not. Here's Clara O'Neil going into bat for
Speaker 3: her colleague.
Speaker 7: Actually, Minister Giles has stepped in here. He's taking action
Speaker 7: as a good minister would do. He's doing the right thing.
Speaker 7: He's stepped in at the right moment.
Speaker 1: He stepped in.
Speaker 3: At the right moment.
Speaker 2: Okay, A lot of people would dispute that he put
Speaker 2: in this direction, this ministerial direction last January. Then they
Speaker 2: use the laws, this direction that was put in by
Speaker 2: your government to stay in this country. So do you
Speaker 2: think it's maybe too late that Andrew Giles is acting now?
Speaker 7: I just reiterate what Minister Giles has said yesterday. Those
Speaker 7: visas were canceled by the part that government plays in this.
Speaker 7: An independent tribunal overturned those decisions.
Speaker 4: Nick, When is the Prime Minister going to show some
Speaker 4: leadership here and put the safety of Australians before his mate.
Speaker 5: Look, you know, we call this incompetence and that's what
Speaker 5: it looks like from our point of view. But actually,
Speaker 5: let's not forget that Albanezi and Andrew Giles they actually
Speaker 5: philosophically wants an open border policy. They've only been forced
Speaker 5: to do the turnback thing because of the electoral reasons,
Speaker 5: but that cuts across the grain to them. I mean
Speaker 5: what they've done here in making it easier for all
Speaker 5: sorts of migrants, whether desirable or not, to stay in
Speaker 5: the country, that's exactly what they think. I mean, it's
Speaker 5: the same as the Democrats in the United States, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Look at the open borders there. It's in their mindset.
Speaker 5: So it's not in competence as so much as ideological
Speaker 5: madness in my view.
Speaker 4: Now on to the ABC and the fallout from the
Speaker 4: Laura Tingle racism SAKA continues. Yesterday, ABC News director Justin
Speaker 4: Stevens released a statement which said the following, amongst other things,
Speaker 4: Laura Tingle's remarks at the Sydney Writers Festival at the
Speaker 4: week and lacked the context, balance and supporting information of
Speaker 4: her work for the ABC, and will not have met
Speaker 4: ABC's editorial standards. Although the remarks were conversational not made
Speaker 4: in her work capacity, the ABC and its employees have
Speaker 4: a unique obligation in the Australian media.
Speaker 3: Yet there doesn't seem.
Speaker 4: To appear to be any acknowledgment of this failure from
Speaker 4: Miss Tingle in her op ed length statement.
Speaker 5: Does any No, No, she's full of self justification in there,
Speaker 5: and she's been misunderstood and it's the Murdock Press and
Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff. It's what you expect. We've
Speaker 5: seen this play out before, haven't we That an ABC
Speaker 5: reporter or commentator, you know, makes some outrageous statement or
Speaker 5: does some misreporting, say for instance, on Donald Trump and Russia,
Speaker 5: and it's just ignored. They get away with it. It's
Speaker 5: a travesty and absolute travesty. And I wonder what it
Speaker 5: would take to actually bring some discipline to the ABC,
Speaker 5: because it seems that management are trying their best to
Speaker 5: look like they're saying the right things, but you know,
Speaker 5: it's very gentle slat with a wet letters leaf. I
Speaker 5: think to Laura Jingle from ABC Management and there's no
Speaker 5: consequences for us. She's too powerful.
Speaker 4: Speaking of no consequences, and the Greens continue to take
Speaker 4: a rather myopic and jaundice view of the conflict in Gaza.
Speaker 4: Here's Adam Bant at the weekend struggling to admit that
Speaker 4: Hermas is a terrorist organization.
Speaker 8: Do you also agree Hamas is a terrorist organization that
Speaker 8: needs to be dismantled.
Speaker 6: Well, they're listed as a terrorist organization and our point
Speaker 6: is now, well, it's it's just a fact.
Speaker 3: Supported.
Speaker 1: Do you think they're a terrorist organization? We're not.
Speaker 6: We're not arguing to change they were saying they're listed
Speaker 6: as a terrorist organization.
Speaker 3: Agree the terrorist organization?
Speaker 6: Well, but the point is what are you going to
Speaker 6: do with the Palestinian civilians? Do not cannot be collectively punished.
Speaker 8: Having some trouble saying that Hamas is a terrorist organization.
Speaker 4: And then Nick yesterday the Greens engaged in an epic
Speaker 4: display of wedge politics, seeking to put up a motion
Speaker 4: to recognize Palestinian statehood. The Coalition, Labor and part of
Speaker 4: the cross Bench they oppose the motion to suspend parliamentary
Speaker 4: business to debate recognition of a Palestinian state. Now there
Speaker 4: were two things which I thought particularly interesting to my mind,
Speaker 4: the part of the cross bench which voted with the
Speaker 4: major parties and the ones who abstained, and then the
Speaker 4: Greens tantrum in the aftermath about labor preferences.
Speaker 3: It was a rather instructive vote, wasn't it.
Speaker 5: Absolutely. And the fact that Adam Bant and the Greens
Speaker 5: are prepared to play politics with a crucial foreign policy
Speaker 5: issue like this, it just shows we're in a very
Speaker 5: very dangerous position if they get the balance of power
Speaker 5: in the next election. And I think you're right. You know,
Speaker 5: what I think is going on here is that nobody
Speaker 5: in the Greens or is really taking the foreign policy
Speaker 5: issues seriously. They're just after another Totalstinian people are their
Speaker 5: latest totem. You know, was the polar Bear one day
Speaker 5: and the climate the next, and today it's the Palestinian people.
Speaker 5: They've got nil understanding, zero understanding of the history and
Speaker 5: the politics of this, as Julia Gillard wisely pointed out
Speaker 5: last weekend, and they're simply trying to make get their
Speaker 5: supporters on board with this virtuous statement over something they
Speaker 5: know absolutely zero about. And they're ignoring and closing their
Speaker 5: eyes to the terrible terrible events of October seventh.
Speaker 4: Here here now onto the corporates and the new cycle.
Speaker 4: Nick is littered with corporates taking positions on matters they
Speaker 4: probably shouldn't and then receiving an uppercut from.
Speaker 3: The public for their effort.
Speaker 4: An interesting piece in the AFR about US corporations who
Speaker 4: are deciding to stay mum on non call business. Are
Speaker 4: they finally learning.
Speaker 5: Well, this is interesting, isn't it. They're backing away from
Speaker 5: this ESG business, which you know, a couple of years
Speaker 5: ago was supposed to be the new way of accounting.
Speaker 5: Everybody was supposed to do their accounts according to this.
Speaker 5: This is just not workable, is it. In the end
Speaker 5: of the day, I don't think that we're seeing the
Speaker 5: end of woke capitalism by any means, And in fact,
Speaker 5: I'm probably only just beginning, because the sort of people
Speaker 5: that are now filling their offices, or the different diversity
Speaker 5: and inclusion staff and so forth, they've got it just
Speaker 5: in sheer numbers. There are so many of them. They're
Speaker 5: influencing these companies. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: you know, reality does hit. I mean, they have to
Speaker 5: make a profit, and if ESG is really seriously damaging
Speaker 5: the bottom line, they're not going to do it.
Speaker 3: I think that's fair.
Speaker 4: And ultimately nothing brings anyone crashing down to reality, quite
Speaker 4: like some corporate insolvency. But still over in the US
Speaker 4: and the dury in the Trump trial, they're deliberating the moment.
Speaker 4: Let's just say the last day or so has been
Speaker 4: rather eventful.
Speaker 3: First, Trump said.
Speaker 2: This, what's happening here is weaponization at a level that
Speaker 2: nobody seen before ever. In listening to the judges. From
Speaker 2: the judges, as you know.
Speaker 9: Very conflicted and corrupt.
Speaker 8: Because of the confliction, very very corrupt, Mother.
Speaker 2: Teresa could not be these judges.
Speaker 8: These judges are rigged.
Speaker 3: The whole thing is rigged.
Speaker 5: The whole country's have messed between.
Speaker 4: And then the judge's direction to jurors that raise some eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 9: It is one thing in particular that this judge said
Speaker 9: that these jurors could do. He just delivered what is
Speaker 9: being called really the pinnacle of all of this. He
Speaker 9: said that there is no need to agree on what
Speaker 9: has occurred. They can disagree on what the crime was
Speaker 9: among the three choices. Thus, this means that they could
Speaker 9: split four four four and the judge would still treat
Speaker 9: them unanimously.
Speaker 4: And then lastly, this was the hot take from a
Speaker 4: commentator at MSNBC.
Speaker 10: As you've noted with respect judge Mushan, I mean, I am,
Speaker 10: I am like now you know, I have like a
Speaker 10: man crash on him. He is such a great judge
Speaker 10: that it's hard to see that the jurors wouldn't have
Speaker 10: the same impression. And he's just you just keep on thinking.
Speaker 10: If you looked in a dictionary for judicial temperament, that's
Speaker 10: what you get.
Speaker 3: Nick, Can this chial get any more ridiculous?
Speaker 5: That's weird that MSBC quote, isn't it? That really is
Speaker 5: very strange. Look, no, you can't. And Trump is right,
Speaker 5: you know he said that even mother Teresa couldn't escape
Speaker 5: the charges and couldn't get off this one. And he's
Speaker 5: absolutely right that the whole thing is terribly rigged against him.
Speaker 5: But is that, Caroline, you know about the law. Is
Speaker 5: that right? Are they going to say, okay, we've got
Speaker 5: three child is you can pick anyone. You don't have
Speaker 5: to all agree that he's guilty of one of those charges.
Speaker 5: Just if anybody thinks he's guilty of something, that'll do
Speaker 5: That's just not justice, is it? That surely have been
Speaker 5: challenged in a higher court. But you know, it is
Speaker 5: a circus at the end of the day. And Trump
Speaker 5: wether he'll you know, whatever the sentence, whatever the verdicts,
Speaker 5: you know, he's a winner out of this.
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think that's fair, definitely politically in
Speaker 4: any event. And no, I haven't seen a court in
Speaker 4: this country or a judge in this country give that
Speaker 4: sort of direction.
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure how far they would get.
Speaker 4: But moving on, and there are a number obviously of
Speaker 4: fragile geopolitical situations around the world, and the Korean peninsula
Speaker 4: well that one there's been dicey for decades, but recently
Speaker 4: a balloon has erupted. What on earth is this about?
Speaker 5: Well, this is supposed to be retaliation, isn't it that
Speaker 5: the North Koreans are retaliating for the South Koreans sending
Speaker 5: a little USB sticks across on balloons with k Pop
Speaker 5: on them. And they're added by sending lots of rubbish
Speaker 5: and feces in these balloons which fall to the ground.
Speaker 5: It rather confirms our thoughts about North Korea, doesn't it.
Speaker 5: I mean a lot of people get to go there
Speaker 5: and those who do aren't given free access to walk around. Still.
Speaker 5: But you know, if this is the best that Korean culture,
Speaker 5: North Korean culture could provide to the South in return
Speaker 5: for wonder all usb sticks of K pop, it really
Speaker 5: does confirm our thoughts about what sort of regime and
Speaker 5: what sort of country it is.
Speaker 8: It's just.
Speaker 5: On that level. But it's also pretty disgusting. And I
Speaker 5: can't even say what's in those bags on television?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, look, it was not something that I was
Speaker 4: expecting to read about today, and I was a little
Speaker 4: shocked myself even by what we know about North Korean
Speaker 4: standards on those sorts of matters. Anyway, Nick Kata, thank
Speaker 4: you so much for your time.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Jeren.
Speaker 4: Joining me now is renewable energy project developer and consultant
Speaker 4: Peter Kerr.
Speaker 3: Peter, welcome to the show, Thanks Keren, thanks for having
Speaker 3: me now.
Speaker 4: Peter, your neck deep in the energy market here in
Speaker 4: Wa and across the country. There seems to be a
Speaker 4: myriad of energy infrastructure projects which have been proposed. Obviously,
Speaker 4: they're not all equal, and it's been reported this week
Speaker 4: that a proposed offshore wind farm in Victoria that Shell
Speaker 4: was going to build has been quietly shelved. The federal
Speaker 4: and Victorian governments have been big on offshore wind power.
Speaker 3: Why this one make the cup?
Speaker 11: I think there are two reasons.
Speaker 8: The first is all those Shells one of the biggest
Speaker 8: energy companies in the world, They're not the leading offshore
Speaker 8: wind players, so they're probably beaten to the punch by
Speaker 8: some of the more experienced types. The second one is
Speaker 8: that their CEO has recently made a big play about
Speaker 8: winding back some of Shell's renewable energy ambitions. So I
Speaker 8: suspect this project was marginal for them, okay, and became
Speaker 8: surplus to requirements.
Speaker 11: So yeah, it's still going ahead. But with other bigger
Speaker 11: players in their shore wind market.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no fair enough.
Speaker 4: And still on Victoria, we've seen the Energy Minister Lily
Speaker 4: dan Brose. She's moved a little bit on gas, but
Speaker 4: she still seems to be at odds with her federal counterpart,
Speaker 4: Madeline King, that Victorian labor government has had some pretty
Speaker 4: strident anti gas policies in recent years. How impactful is
Speaker 4: that not only for their energy market but for their
Speaker 4: economy going forward.
Speaker 11: Look, maybe if I step it back.
Speaker 8: It's a debate we often hear in the renewal industry,
Speaker 8: there's no lack of desire to want to move as
Speaker 8: quickly as you can from fossil fulls to renewable energy
Speaker 8: and one of those people, but there is a pragmatic
Speaker 8: part of the industry that acknowledges that gas will be
Speaker 8: a major part for many years to come off the
Speaker 8: transition to renewals, and so I think that's where the
Speaker 8: challenge is. And if you're not planning carefully that transition,
Speaker 8: you can have unintended consequences, and that is higher gas
Speaker 8: prices if you're not bringing on you know, supplies or
Speaker 8: at least maintaining adequate supplies. And so yeah, at the moment,
Speaker 8: for example, in Victoria, gas prices domestically for industry are
Speaker 8: at least fifty percent higher than they are here in
Speaker 8: Western Australia, and so that goes to the bottom line
Speaker 8: of businesses. Yeah, so I think, you know, no one disagrees,
Speaker 8: you know, with the idea of getting to renewable engine
Speaker 8: or a largely renewable system, But how do you get
Speaker 8: there is the challenge and is.
Speaker 4: That then an issue definitely obviously to Victoria in this
Speaker 4: particular circumstances, because there still seems to be that bit
Speaker 4: of political friction and political angst about it, particularly given
Speaker 4: the way they've demonized gas in recent times, but more
Speaker 4: broadly in Australia, is that something that we need to
Speaker 4: consider a cross the country. How much gas do we need,
Speaker 4: how much new gas do we need and how long
Speaker 4: we're going to need it for?
Speaker 8: Yeah, So the trick you know, if you talk to
Speaker 8: the pragmatic part of the industry, and I'm not just talking,
Speaker 8: you know, the fossil fuel industry. So there's a group
Speaker 8: in Western Australia called the Sustainable Energy Network, So.
Speaker 11: They are hand on heart. They want to get as
Speaker 11: fast as they can to renewable energy.
Speaker 8: They're modeling, and most modeling, pragmatic modeling will say you
Speaker 8: can get to renewables of about eighty to ninety percent
Speaker 8: of your system pretty quickly.
Speaker 11: The last ten percent is pretty hard, right, and it
Speaker 11: will be hard for decades.
Speaker 8: And so rather than having the debate about, you know, gas,
Speaker 8: should we not have it, Let's go as hard as
Speaker 8: we can on renewables, get to eighty or ninety percent,
Speaker 8: and then let's deal with the ten percent problem later.
Speaker 8: But in the interim, we're burning less coal an extra gas, yes,
Speaker 8: but it overall is a better outcome because you're racing
Speaker 8: towards renewables and I think this gas has been demanized
Speaker 8: and it can be in a very effective part of
Speaker 8: an overall balanced energy system.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And I suppose there's an ancillary issue to
Speaker 4: that around the discussion of having more and new gas
Speaker 4: supplies coming on. Obviously, the federal Environment Minister tanivsk is
Speaker 4: talking about a national EPA Environmental Protection Agency. To what
Speaker 4: extent do you think that, you know, adding that extra
Speaker 4: regulation and potentially that extra delay could make that process
Speaker 4: more difficult, and that ten percent at the end more difficult.
Speaker 8: Look, I think it's not just environmental approvals. It is
Speaker 8: a range of approvals. Whether it's a network access approval,
Speaker 8: whether it's a community development approval, whether it's environmental heritage.
Speaker 11: They all layer on top of each other.
Speaker 8: So at the moment in Australia, you're generally, even for
Speaker 8: the best planned wind farms from go you know an
Speaker 8: idea through to sending electricity out on the grid, it's
Speaker 8: about seven to ten years, which is too long. So yeah,
Speaker 8: I think there are some concerns about the complexity of
Speaker 8: the development process, and this may at the margin add
Speaker 8: to it.
Speaker 11: So I think there are some suggestions, and you.
Speaker 8: Know, I'd be one of those that would welcome a
Speaker 8: reconsideration of the holistic nature of this layering of approvals
Speaker 8: on realbal projects.
Speaker 4: Right and onto labour's future made in Australia policy. We
Speaker 4: know that that there is very much centered around fast
Speaker 4: tracking the transition and removing some of those.
Speaker 3: National security issues which sit.
Speaker 4: Around foreign manufacturing. To what extent do you think that
Speaker 4: that policy can actually work and will that production of
Speaker 4: manufacturing be able to occur without government subsidy?
Speaker 8: Look, probably the thing to say is that every bit helps,
Speaker 8: and more broadly, that initiative is actually quite small in
Speaker 8: the scheme of things, so at the margin, I think
Speaker 8: it helps. I don't think domestically production is necessarily going
Speaker 8: to succeed without subsidies, and I think that's the government's intent.
Speaker 8: The thing to say is that Australia has always been
Speaker 8: a trading nation. We've relied on imports and exports. That's
Speaker 8: who we are, just by the nature of our geography,
Speaker 8: and so we are always going to rely on some
Speaker 8: form of assistance. I don't think you can do it
Speaker 8: all the time. The notion, however, and this is where
Speaker 8: renewables get you. The notion that you might take more
Speaker 8: control of your energy supplies rather than say, having to
Speaker 8: import oil is a good.
Speaker 11: Long term notion. And so yeah, it's a small piece.
Speaker 8: I don't think it's going to be either a huge
Speaker 8: blocker or a huge enabler, other than to say it
Speaker 8: is support in the right direction.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 4: Lastly, onto nuclear and the CSIRO has gone back to
Speaker 4: the drawing.
Speaker 3: Board this week.
Speaker 4: They're asked to redo their home CSIR right by the coalition. Look,
Speaker 4: I think most people, most people wouldn't well, wouldn't disagree
Speaker 4: that the moratorium could come off.
Speaker 3: And can we at least.
Speaker 4: Talk about it, Like whether you actually go ahead and
Speaker 4: have nuclear power?
Speaker 3: I think is step two.
Speaker 4: But I think most people would say, well, we should
Speaker 4: at least be able.
Speaker 3: To talk about it. Is there a world.
Speaker 4: Where nuclear either in the large scale form or the
Speaker 4: small scale form can work in Australia.
Speaker 8: In Australia, look, I don't see it financially stacking up
Speaker 8: given the advantages we have.
Speaker 11: Around renewed energy and gas.
Speaker 8: I just don't think, and we've not got a big market,
Speaker 8: it definitely will play a part in industries and countries
Speaker 8: where they're pre existing, absolutely, so I'm not against it.
Speaker 8: I think the challenge is a little bit that it's
Speaker 8: a distraction in Australia will take at least twenty years
Speaker 8: from the start to get something up.
Speaker 11: So look, I don't disagree with the premise.
Speaker 8: I guess what's the harm in at least planning for
Speaker 8: maybe planed c if you need it in twenty fifty,
Speaker 8: well let's at least start now having those you know,
Speaker 8: those conversations. I think you know, we only have to
Speaker 8: look at the waste dump issue in Australia. We've been
Speaker 8: unable to resolve that for thirty forty years, so these
Speaker 8: are long duration we are.
Speaker 3: Going to have to sort it out for aucust.
Speaker 8: So that conversation, so that conversation need to say yeah
Speaker 8: and look, so one hundred percent, why not have a
Speaker 8: genuine conversation. I guess the trick is not to pretend
Speaker 8: like it's in the next twenty years in terms of
Speaker 8: energy or is the panacea.
Speaker 11: But yeah, look it may in the future be a
Speaker 11: long term need. But let's not get distracted right now.
Speaker 11: But yeah, you can chew gum and walk at the
Speaker 11: same time, right.
Speaker 3: Like, so excellent insights, Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Thanks still to come unhelpful news on inflation, But wasn't
Speaker 4: the surprise the government seems to think it was. Welcome
Speaker 4: back to the show. Joining me now is journalist and
Speaker 4: analyst Tarek Brooker. Tarik, can we receive some very unhelpful
Speaker 4: news on inflation yesterday? It was reported as being a surprise,
Speaker 4: but I'm not entirely sure who was surprised. What were
Speaker 4: the key takeaways in those figures for you?
Speaker 12: I think the key takeaway was that we are seeing deflation,
Speaker 12: outright deflation, so falling prices in things like recreation and
Speaker 12: culture and in household goods and services. But even with
Speaker 12: all those advantages that we're seeing, it's not putting enough
Speaker 12: downward pressure on inflation to get this resolved quickly. And
Speaker 12: I think that when you look at the graph of inflation,
Speaker 12: whether it's the RBA's preferred measure, which is the trim
Speaker 12: mean or headline rate of inflation, they're not going in
Speaker 12: the right that they've stopped going in that downward trajectory
Speaker 12: and they've started to sort of bottom out and in
Speaker 12: some cases rise, and that's that's not what the rbas
Speaker 12: want to be seeing, and that's not what Australians in
Speaker 12: general want to be seeing.
Speaker 3: No, they don't.
Speaker 4: And we also keep hearing about the future for potential
Speaker 4: rate hikes or at the very least a longer period
Speaker 4: of time before there's a rate cut. Given some parts
Speaker 4: of the economy are already softening despite the inflation, the
Speaker 4: bba's job is becoming increasingly difficult, isn't it.
Speaker 12: It is, and I think that that job is only
Speaker 12: going to get harder. And this is the point that
Speaker 12: it's some you know, a various numbers of prominent economiests
Speaker 12: have made you know that they're saying that, you know,
Speaker 12: the budget is in a lot of ways inflationary, and
Speaker 12: while we will see the electricity subsidies and increases to
Speaker 12: rent assistance put downward pressure on inflation as it's measured
Speaker 12: in the CPI, we could see more upward pressure on
Speaker 12: underline inflation as a result. So this really sort of
Speaker 12: in a lot of ways traps the RBA in a
Speaker 12: very very challenging position, particularly when you factor in that
Speaker 12: we could see a significant rise in unemployment because we
Speaker 12: are seeing that deterioration in things like job ads and
Speaker 12: job vacancies across both the public metrics and those done
Speaker 12: by the private sector.
Speaker 4: And inflation and the cost of servicing debt are obviously
Speaker 4: putting increasing strain on household budgets. Are we starting to
Speaker 4: see any movement in housing stock or housing prices or
Speaker 4: anything like that.
Speaker 12: We are seeing not so much in prices as of yet.
Speaker 12: We have seen in for example, on the call Logic
Speaker 12: figures in Melbourne, we have seen prices start to flatten
Speaker 12: out and in some cases decline. But in terms of stock,
Speaker 12: that's where I think things get interesting. We are if
Speaker 12: you look at the prop track, which is real estate
Speaker 12: dot COM's new listings figures, we are starting to see
Speaker 12: some very strong rises in the number of new lists
Speaker 12: in Sydney and Melbourne in particular. Now while the number
Speaker 12: of overall listings on market still remains quite subdued in
Speaker 12: most places well with the exception of Melbourne. We are
Speaker 12: just seeing that very very interesting divergence, you know, in
Speaker 12: the places where we are seeing those high levels of
Speaker 12: mortgage stress, where we are seeing those people with the
Speaker 12: larger loans, places like Sydney and Melbourne, we are seeing
Speaker 12: more stock come to market, but in the smaller capitals
Speaker 12: where loans tend to be a lot smaller, we haven't
Speaker 12: seen those same issues.
Speaker 4: Now, the issue with inflation doesn't only affect households. We
Speaker 4: are seeing business getting squeezed as well with obviously increased
Speaker 4: costs of.
Speaker 3: Production and wages.
Speaker 4: What are the current pain points in your view for
Speaker 4: business and what is the impact on real wage growth.
Speaker 12: Well, businesses are a bit stuck really because we've seen
Speaker 12: we've seen inflation come down, we've seen their ability to
Speaker 12: pass on rising costs come down, even though if you
Speaker 12: look at some of the various surveys, so for example,
Speaker 12: the NAB business that we're still seeing those input costs
Speaker 12: at a relatively high level, but wage demands and while
Speaker 12: wages may have peaked, wage demands remain quite high. And
Speaker 12: as the chart on the screen shows, workers have a
Speaker 12: long long way to go before they regain where wages
Speaker 12: were prior to the pandemic. Let alone the blowoff top
Speaker 12: that we saw following the introduction of lockdowns, and at
Speaker 12: the current rate, we're talking about a pathway that could
Speaker 12: potentially take years, if not well, could potentially take well
Speaker 12: over a decade. And that's really not great news for
Speaker 12: Australian workers who are on this long, long path back
Speaker 12: to normality.
Speaker 4: Absolutely and not great for living standards either in the
Speaker 4: introm Now onto housing more broadly, and despite us suppose
Speaker 4: that what it seems like a cacophony of voices lamenting
Speaker 4: this housing crisis, home construction nears a two year low.
Speaker 4: Can you explain to us what we're seeing and how
Speaker 4: is it possible, given so much focus of the discussion
Speaker 4: on housing at the moment, that this is actually happening.
Speaker 12: It's honestly, it's honestly a bit of a mess because
Speaker 12: we saw construct housing construction in terms of completions peak
Speaker 12: all the way back in twenty seventeen and that cycle,
Speaker 12: that building cycle hasn't yet come to an end, and
Speaker 12: that's a rather significant issue now. As the child on
Speaker 12: the screen shows, in terms of completions per capita, we're
Speaker 12: actually at a very very low level, but relative to
Speaker 12: the rest of the world, we're actually doing quite well.
Speaker 12: So Australia is a little bit of a contradiction. We've
Speaker 12: got this ginormous juggernaut of a construction sector that manages
Speaker 12: to at times outbuild multiple rivals put together in terms
Speaker 12: of per capita outcomes, but it's not employed very efficiently.
Speaker 12: Now there's a lot of reasons for that. There's red tape,
Speaker 12: green tape, just you know, issues that have crept into
Speaker 12: the sector over the years in terms of labor being
Speaker 12: employed efficiently, and we've seen the output per worker in
Speaker 12: terms of whether you're talking about the number of homes
Speaker 12: being completed or the square majia each of homes being
Speaker 12: completed fall over time. So I think that that's a
Speaker 12: really important part of the conversation that the government and
Speaker 12: policy makers and stakeholders need to be having, that we
Speaker 12: need to use our construction sector more efficiently in order
Speaker 12: to do more with what we have to get closer
Speaker 12: to that unfortunately quite unrealistic target the Albaneze government as
Speaker 12: set of one point two million new homes.
Speaker 3: And just on that.
Speaker 4: You know, the governments can set construction targets and that's
Speaker 4: one thing, but it really does appear that we just
Speaker 4: don't have enough skilled labor to carry out these works.
Speaker 3: Not only for housing, but given the huge number of.
Speaker 4: State and federal infrastructure projects that are also on foot
Speaker 4: or are in the pipeline.
Speaker 3: Is that right? And are there any other impediments that
Speaker 3: you see?
Speaker 12: There is the biggest impediment I see is the continued
Speaker 12: rise of knockdown rebuilds. Now that doesn't sound like it's
Speaker 12: something it's going to be like a fit in really
Speaker 12: all that significant. But if we go back, say to
Speaker 12: say twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, only roughly about six or
Speaker 12: seven percent of dwelling completions were in effect knockdown rebuilds.
Speaker 12: As of the latest comparable figures, that's now fifteen percent.
Speaker 12: So we have to build a lot more in order
Speaker 12: to get net dwelling growth. So I think that's part
Speaker 12: of the problem. And as I said previously, it's just
Speaker 12: about employing our construction sector efficiently. Now our construction sector
Speaker 12: employees over one point three million people. It is the largest,
Speaker 12: is one of the largest construction sectors in the developed
Speaker 12: world per capita. And I think that we can do
Speaker 12: a lot more with what we have, even with the
Speaker 12: burden placed by the increased levels of infrastructure construction, to
Speaker 12: keep up with population growth. But I think that that
Speaker 12: requires a lot of difficult conversations from policy makers and
Speaker 12: just an acknowledgment of the fact that we have gone
Speaker 12: backwards in a lot of important ways, and that those
Speaker 12: issues need to be addressed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And on that, I've only got about a
Speaker 4: minute left. You know, we know that housing is going
Speaker 4: to be a hot topic for the federal election approaching.
Speaker 4: Both major parties are proffering policy on housing. But what
Speaker 4: policy settings do you think will best alleviate the current crisis?
Speaker 12: I think, realistically there needs to be a conversation about immigration,
Speaker 12: because if it depends if you say, for example, amp
Speaker 12: Shane Oliver's analysis that says we have a shortage of
Speaker 12: two hundred thousand homes, if that's the case, in attempting
Speaker 12: to alleviate that shortage while we are still running a
Speaker 12: migration intake of two hundred and fifteen hundred sixty thousand
Speaker 12: as laid out in the federal budget, you're talking about
Speaker 12: something that's going to take the best part of a decade.
Speaker 12: So I think that there needs to be a conversation
Speaker 12: about how many homes do we need, do we actually
Speaker 12: need to alleviate this shortage, and how are we going
Speaker 12: to achieve that with the settings that are being employed.
Speaker 12: So that's going to be a tough one for the
Speaker 12: alban Eze government, and I think increasingly as we're seeing
Speaker 12: with our premier Stephen miles in Queensland an increasingly difficult
Speaker 12: conversation between the States and the federal government.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you so much for your observations. Really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Terry Brooker.
Speaker 12: No worries, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Still to come, potential fresh charges for Harvey Weinstein could
Speaker 4: see more Hollywood types dragged into this scandal.
Speaker 3: Plus Harry im Meagan At demanding not only an apology
Speaker 3: from the royal family, but more praise and recognition. Are
Speaker 3: they having a laugh?
Speaker 4: Joining me now is entertainment and royal reporter Kinsey Schofield.
Speaker 1: Kinsey.
Speaker 4: Harvey Weinstein hasn't been in the news for a while,
Speaker 4: but he was recently.
Speaker 3: Back in court on the wrong end of some more charges.
Speaker 3: What's the update?
Speaker 1: That's right? Havevey Weinstein appeared in a wheelchair before a
Speaker 1: judge on Wednesday afternoon in the scene NYC Court house
Speaker 1: where President Donald Trump is currently on trial. Manhattan prosecutors
Speaker 1: told a judge that they're exploring new claims of sexual
Speaker 1: misconduct made against Harvey Weinstein and are considering seeking a
Speaker 1: new indictment against him ahead of his scheduled retrial on
Speaker 1: rape charges leader this year. Additional alleged victims have come
Speaker 1: forward with assault claims, and prosecutors are currently assessing which
Speaker 1: while under the state's statue of limitations. The retrial on
Speaker 1: that rape charge that was tossed out by the court
Speaker 1: I believe it was just a month ago, is tentatively
Speaker 1: scheduled shortly after Labor Day.
Speaker 4: We'll see where that goes. But I feel like they're
Speaker 4: still a bit to wash out there, Kinsey. Now onto
Speaker 4: our next topic, Northwest and the trials are having a
Speaker 4: go at North where she's Kim Kardashian and Kanye West daughter.
Speaker 4: Apparently her performance is Simba is not up to what
Speaker 4: the armchair critics expected.
Speaker 3: Here's a.
Speaker 13: Little king. I'm looking now, I'm working.
Speaker 3: Kinsy, She's just a kid. What do you make of these?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's performing. I just can't wait to be king.
Speaker 1: This is the Hollywood Bulls thirtieth anniversary celebration for the
Speaker 1: Lion King. Criticism has been ridiculously harsh, but you know,
Speaker 1: North was quick to join TikTok years ago. She worked
Speaker 1: on her father's latest album. She has clearly chosen this path,
Speaker 1: so hopefully her parents are preparing her behind the scenes
Speaker 1: for the negative attention. This industry will inevitably attract, but
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, her mother and father
Speaker 1: will open a lot of doors for her that genuinely
Speaker 1: talented children will not have the privilege to enter. So
Speaker 1: her life will be a blessing and a curse, with
Speaker 1: a few more perks than the average person.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, but let's hope she still gets to be a
Speaker 4: bit of a kid in the meantime, And it seems
Speaker 4: that not all is well in the Lopez Affleck household.
Speaker 4: We understand j Lowe is canceling some shows and made
Speaker 4: some relationship termoil.
Speaker 3: What's going on here?
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, you know. She has had a bad year,
Speaker 1: three critically panned films, her worst selling album ever, She's
Speaker 1: canceled concert dates across the States, and she's currently living
Speaker 1: separately from her relatively new husband. But despite reports that
Speaker 1: plans for Jennifer Lopez's Las Vegas residency are now in jeopardy,
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail reports that negotiations are very much ongoing,
Speaker 1: and it was reported earlier this week that n GM
Speaker 1: Grand and Live Nation offered her one million dollars per
Speaker 1: night for ninety shows in twenty twenty five. So Ben
Speaker 1: Affleck's back tattoo might not be there when she gets home,
Speaker 1: but the bank account will be, so I think she's
Speaker 1: going to be okay.
Speaker 3: And kisy onto.
Speaker 4: Our favorite topic, the royals, and the commentary on the
Speaker 4: not Royal Royal touring Kenya continues, but this time it's
Speaker 4: Nigeria's First Lady who offered her view on the Sussex's visit.
Speaker 3: What was her particular criticism, Yeah, this.
Speaker 1: Is really set the internet ablaze. She said, tell young
Speaker 1: girls and women, we don't accept nakedness in our culture.
Speaker 1: That is not beautiful. She also stressed they do not
Speaker 1: want to mimic and try to emulate film stars from America.
Speaker 1: They don't know where they come from. Why did Meghan
Speaker 1: come here looking for Africa? Whether there was resentment towards
Speaker 1: Megan there, I'm not sure. I don't have an opinion
Speaker 1: on that, but I do think it's an odd coincidence
Speaker 1: considering the fact that Megan was criticized for her wardrobe
Speaker 1: being culturally inappropriate throughout that trip. And I mean friendly reminder,
Speaker 1: Meghan Markle is a Hollywood actress, so you know, it's
Speaker 1: a very odd coincidence.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And another story which just won't go away is
Speaker 4: the Prince Harry visa saga. The information still hasn't been
Speaker 4: publicly released, and it appears.
Speaker 3: The kid gloves are out for the Prince.
Speaker 1: What's the latest, Well, I mean, it's again the Biden
Speaker 1: administration protecting Prince Harry. The Telegraph headline read Biden administration
Speaker 1: pleads with court to keep Prince Harry's visa documents under wraps.
Speaker 1: This is found inside a fifty three page transcript from
Speaker 1: a court hearing all the way back in February. Again,
Speaker 1: this is the Heritage Foundation saying, the American public just
Speaker 1: wants to know the truth. How is Prince Harry here?
Speaker 1: Did he lie on his visa application? Or was he
Speaker 1: given special privilege? The Biden administration fighting and their new
Speaker 1: I guess their new argument is this, many of these
Speaker 1: records are law enforcement records. They believe there is a
Speaker 1: stigma associated with being mentioned in law enforcement records, and
Speaker 1: they argue that publishing those files would expose confidential law
Speaker 1: enforcement tools. The government insists even Prince Harry deserves some
Speaker 1: form of privacy.
Speaker 4: That's very interesting considering that the stigma doesn't seem to
Speaker 4: be an issue when it comes to other people, because
Speaker 4: we know the rules for everyone else. So it's very
Speaker 4: interesting that this here seems to be the principal argument
Speaker 4: in this case, and in so far as Prince Harry
Speaker 4: is concerned. Now we've seen a continued and stunning lack
Speaker 4: of self awareness out of the Sussexes, but apparently now
Speaker 4: Harry's reportedly frustrated that the Royal family won't acknowledge his achievements. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure where to begin with on this, Kinsey.
Speaker 4: The entitlement is thick and fast here, isn't it.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, but I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: if I believe this. I don't consider Prince Harry the
Speaker 1: most intelligent person in the world, but I give him
Speaker 1: more credit than to believe he was sitting around expecting
Speaker 1: a high five from the Royal family after calling a
Speaker 1: room full of Nigerian scammers his in laws. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy's written to hot shacks all over the States,
Speaker 1: banned from entering the States. This guy over here, like
Speaker 1: is accused of funneling money through the United States, and
Speaker 1: I think was also booted from the United States. So
Speaker 1: Harry knows that he made some mistakes throughout that trip,
Speaker 1: and he's got to acknowledge them if he wants to
Speaker 1: continue to play fake royal, you know, internationally, I.
Speaker 4: Think that's that's probably a pretty good point. Maybe we
Speaker 4: don't quite give him enough credit, But onto Princess Catherine,
Speaker 4: and she's been saying out and about during her recovery,
Speaker 4: and you know, as you well know some of the
Speaker 4: scandalous rumors which have been circulating in recent months, it's
Speaker 4: probably some smart pr for her occasionally to be seen
Speaker 4: in the flesh.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's fair?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't know if I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I think it is good pr for her, but I
Speaker 1: don't think that that's her objective because it's my understanding
Speaker 1: that she was incredibly hurt by the conspiracy theories, I
Speaker 1: mean emotionally hurt and just wanted to high away. But
Speaker 1: it is being reported that she has turned a corner
Speaker 1: when it comes to her health. The family is feeling
Speaker 1: positive about the direction. She is spending time in the
Speaker 1: sunshine with her babies, and her children are especially grateful
Speaker 1: for the rare down time to just enjoy and love
Speaker 1: on both their mother and father, because how often do
Speaker 1: they just get to come home and mom and dad
Speaker 1: are both there, so I'm grateful that her health has improved.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see her at trooping, but my people
Speaker 1: are telling me it looks like more possibly an autumn
Speaker 1: relaunch for the Princess of Wales. But oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: I would be so thrilled if we got to see
Speaker 1: her at trooping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be amazing.
Speaker 4: And look, we do understand that her treatment is progressing,
Speaker 4: but we don't have any sort of return timeline yet,
Speaker 4: do we. I mean, you've mentioned the autumn, but you
Speaker 4: know that could be anytime.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, And the Palace is insisting that they're not
Speaker 1: going to give us a date. And what I've also
Speaker 1: heard is that both Prince William and King Charles have
Speaker 1: stressed to her it's all about you. You know, once
Speaker 1: your doctors clear, you do not feel any pressure to
Speaker 1: return to work. Come back when you're ready. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think I'm sure she I'm sure she misses us too,
Speaker 1: but we certainly do miss her.
Speaker 4: She's box office, yeah absolutely, But the most important thing
Speaker 4: I think is it that she gets well and if
Speaker 4: she needs the time, she should absolutely take the time.
Speaker 3: Now this year we've really seen, obviously.
Speaker 4: With both Charles and Catherine, the impact of what can
Speaker 4: go wrong with a slim down royal family. Kinzie a
Speaker 4: great piece in the UK Telegraph suggesting that William might
Speaker 4: put more and.
Speaker 3: Younger royals up front.
Speaker 4: Is that the solution both to the actual and the
Speaker 4: perception issues.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure you remember that interview where the Princess
Speaker 1: Royal Anne was like, that's a ridiculous idea, the suggestion
Speaker 1: of a slim down monarchy, and the King actually made
Speaker 1: those comments deck ago. What we see today isn't that execution.
Speaker 1: It's just a tragic hand that they've been dealt. And
Speaker 1: when we see Prince William engaging with all of his
Speaker 1: cousins at the Buckingham Palace garden party, I think he's
Speaker 1: expressing his love for his family and unity. But the
Speaker 1: Queen was very clear that half in, half out doesn't work,
Speaker 1: and it's part of the reason that Harry and Meghan
Speaker 1: continue to publicly fall on their faces. I don't really
Speaker 1: believe that Prince William will attempt to bring any additional
Speaker 1: family members center stage, but I do think he's going
Speaker 1: to keep his cousins close to him. But I think
Speaker 1: it's going to stay those core members.
Speaker 3: And just on keeping those cousins close.
Speaker 4: I was fortunate enough to interview Peter Phillips earlier this year.
Speaker 4: He really is a sensible and steady set of hands.
Speaker 4: It's reported this week that he has been really valuable
Speaker 4: support to Prince William, particularly since.
Speaker 3: The brothers have fallen out. I've only got about.
Speaker 4: Thirty seconds left, But what's your view now?
Speaker 1: Peter's got great length experience, He's outside of that bubble,
Speaker 1: and he has his mother's backbone. He cares deeply about
Speaker 1: loyalty and their family, something Prince William also values more
Speaker 1: than ever. So I stand. I love this. I love
Speaker 1: the idea of these two.
Speaker 3: Yes, so do I.
Speaker 4: Kinsey Schofield, thank you so much for joining us. Now
Speaker 4: I'm going to leave you with a shout out to
Speaker 4: those fighting the good fight against the ban on live
Speaker 4: sheep export.
Speaker 3: This week, the Labor Caucus gave.
Speaker 4: The nod to the introduction of legislation to phase out
Speaker 4: live sheep exports by one May eight. In response, farmers
Speaker 4: in wa are planning a mass convoy through the Perth
Speaker 4: CBD tomorrow to protest the proposed.
Speaker 3: Band and they aren't stuffing around.
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Speaker 4: are phased out and millions of millions of dollars are
Speaker 4: ripped from regional communities. We talk constantly about the need
Speaker 4: to diverse fire trade and so it's just ludicrous to
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Speaker 4: we don't kick our farmers and this is one kick
Speaker 4: from labor we need to stand against.
Speaker 3: And that's that's it for me. Up next to his Newsnight,
Speaker 3: good Night,