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Speaker 1: On scoring Wields Ostrodia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Reader Panekee Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening, Welcome to the Reader Panahe Show.

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Speaker 4: I'm Caroline Derusso, the great Reader Panahe will be back

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Speaker 4: next week, but for tonight you've got me in the

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Speaker 4: hot seat. Here's what we've got coming up on the

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Speaker 4: show tonight. The jury in the Trump trial is out

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Speaker 4: on deliberation. You will not believe what the judge has said.

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Speaker 4: We will give you the latest on all that the

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Speaker 4: Albanesi government scrambles to try and fix the visa system

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Speaker 4: they broke. Meanwhile, Labor is still split over the issue

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Speaker 4: of gas, as some members are finally mugged by the

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Speaker 4: reality that we will still need gas and will do

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Speaker 4: for a while. And speaking of gas, you'll never guess

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Speaker 4: what North Korea filled these balloons up with. But before

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Speaker 4: we get to that, we have just clicked over a

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Speaker 4: week since the UK general election was called and today.

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Speaker 3: Parliament will be formally dissolved.

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Speaker 4: As they say, a week is a long time in politics,

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Speaker 4: and it feels as though much has happened, but most

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Speaker 4: of it seems like white noise. We've had the Libdem

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Speaker 4: leader Ed Davy oddly fall from a paddle board into

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Speaker 4: Lake Windermere.

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Speaker 3: The point of that.

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Speaker 4: Exercise totally escapes me, but I'm sure some political nuff

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Speaker 4: he thought it was a good publicity stunt.

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Speaker 3: You'll recall that recently Labor whip Diane.

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Speaker 4: Abbott was stood down over anti Semitism allegations and was

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Speaker 4: barred from standing as a Labor candidate, and then yesterday

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Speaker 4: it was reported that the bar was overturned on the

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Speaker 4: outcome of the investigation. And well, we think she's allowed

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Speaker 4: to run, but it's hard to get a straight answer.

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Speaker 3: Even the Tories aren't quite sure about the result of

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Speaker 3: the investigation and have asked questions themselves.

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Speaker 4: In any event, she's still better off than Jeremy Corbyn,

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Speaker 4: who's been formerly binned from the Labor Party. He was

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Speaker 4: banned from standing as a candidate and was then expelled after.

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Speaker 3: He confirmed he would run.

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Speaker 4: As an independent. Corbyn believes he could retain Islington North

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Speaker 4: as an independent, and one wonders whether this campaign will

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Speaker 4: become a focal point or a pain point for Labor

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Speaker 4: on the foreign policy front, given the conflict in the

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Speaker 4: Middle East and Corbyn's cushy relationship with Hamas. All of

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Speaker 4: this is going on while a veritable congoline of Tory

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Speaker 4: MPs decide to put themselves out to pasture before their.

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Speaker 3: Constituents do it for them.

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Speaker 4: And if that isn't enough, rukis and dysfunction, Rishi Sunac

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Speaker 4: is on the blower to Boris Johnson to discuss the

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Speaker 4: risk that Kiir Starmer and Labor post to the country.

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Speaker 4: It's a very interesting chitchat given Sunac resigned as Chancellor

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Speaker 4: in July twenty twenty two, which saw the Johnson government

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Speaker 4: fall within days. Oh how short and convenient memories are

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Speaker 4: in politics. And then there's Nigel Farage, who isn't standing

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Speaker 4: for election for reasons which are not entirely clear. Apparently

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Speaker 4: he was going to run, but it's hard to win

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Speaker 4: a constituency, so he didn't.

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Speaker 3: And then he's worried about the other side cheating.

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Speaker 4: But he will still help Rishi Sunac's salvage of the

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Speaker 4: Tory campaign. So instead of spending six weeks stuck in

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Speaker 4: a constituency, he's going to travel around the country, not

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Speaker 4: just supporting reform candidates, but also trying to get proper

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Speaker 4: debate going. I'm not quite sure I follow that maze

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Speaker 4: of reasoning, except that debate is never far from mister Farage,

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Speaker 4: that is for sure, and ladies and Jens, this is

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Speaker 4: just the musical chairs. We haven't even really got stuck

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Speaker 4: into the policy platforms yet. But rather than try and

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Speaker 4: appeal to voters, Sunak appears to be playing to older

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Speaker 4: Brits with promises to raise the pension tax free allowance

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Speaker 4: and return to the nostalgia of national service. They seem

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Speaker 4: like odd policy announcements after being so long in government,

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Speaker 4: but perhaps that political calculus is less focused on the

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Speaker 4: future of the country and more focused on who's actually

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Speaker 4: likely to turn out to vote now. The polls have

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Speaker 4: shown a slight improvement for the Tories recently, and when

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Speaker 4: I say slight, I mean the plunge appears to have

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Speaker 4: been arrested, not enough to retain government, but perhaps enough

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Speaker 4: to ensure the morning after papers label and an election defeat

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Speaker 4: as a loss rather.

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Speaker 3: Than a total unmitigated she lacking.

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Speaker 4: Now it is an old, tired government, but is it

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Speaker 4: worse than the alternative? And that appears to be an

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Speaker 4: inevitable choice for many Brits. The Tories have been, let's

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Speaker 4: be honest, roundly disappointing in recent times, but Labor is

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Speaker 4: directionless and hapless, broadcaster and commentator Esther Crak who described

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Speaker 4: the choice between Sunac and Starma as like having to

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Speaker 4: choose between cholera and dysentery. A recent poll showed, amongst

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Speaker 4: other things, that Sir Kir was more trusted by voters

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Speaker 4: and mister Sunac to change a tire, assemble flat pack furniture,

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Speaker 4: and offer to pay for the first round in the pub.

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Speaker 3: The Labor leader also beats.

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Speaker 4: His Tory rival on who is more likely to lend

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Speaker 4: money if usked and to win popular game shows such

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Speaker 4: as Celebrity Master Chef or I'm a Celebrity, Get Me

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Speaker 4: out of Here.

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Speaker 3: With such serious issues at.

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Speaker 4: Play at the moment, it seems almost inappropriate to be

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Speaker 4: so cavalier about this decision making. Or maybe it's just

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Speaker 4: an exercise in if you don't laugh, you'll.

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Speaker 3: Cry the sherry.

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Speaker 4: On top of all of this is an article in

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Speaker 4: The Australian by Troy Branston lamenting Kirstarmer's lack of charisma. Now,

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Speaker 4: when someone as blamage as Troy Bramston notices a lack

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Speaker 4: of charisma, you know a.

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Speaker 3: Party League leader is Pete Vanilla. But then again, maybe

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Speaker 3: that's all Kirstarma needs to be. Well, that's the first week.

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Speaker 4: It's a long time until the election on July four,

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Speaker 4: and it's anyone's guess where this circus ultimately ends up.

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Speaker 4: Let's bring in mensi's Research Center senior fellow and columnist

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Speaker 4: Nick cat Nick before we dive into domestic news. What's

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Speaker 4: your view on the UK general election campaign so far.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I can add much to that brilliant

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Speaker 5: summary you just gave, Caroline, except to say that because

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Speaker 5: we're talking about all the peripheries, all the show and

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Speaker 5: the circus of it is a worry for Britain because

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Speaker 5: they've got some serious po the issues to deal with,

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Speaker 5: not Lisa, which actually is energy. Electricity prices are through

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Speaker 5: the roof there. But it's got all that feel, hasn't it,

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Speaker 5: of a tired government coming to the end of its

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Speaker 5: third term labor thinking they can just waltz in and

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Speaker 5: they don't have to do terribly much to get into power,

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Speaker 5: which is worrying because they are going to be I think,

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Speaker 5: by far the most left wing government Britton's ever seen

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Speaker 5: if they were to be elected. But let's see, you've

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Speaker 5: got a few weeks to play out.

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Speaker 4: Yet well back home, we continue to get nothing but

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Speaker 4: bad news out of the Department of Immigration. The implementation

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Speaker 4: of Direction ninety nine is at the very best misguided, Nick,

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Speaker 4: and today the Prime Minister has confirmed that it will

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Speaker 4: be reviewed. Can you explain to our audience what is

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Speaker 4: Direction ninety nine, what are as consequences and what on

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Speaker 4: earth was the Minister thinking.

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Speaker 5: I can't explain the last bit, but what the Minister

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Speaker 5: was thinking, but I'll give you the rest.

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Speaker 6: I mean.

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Speaker 5: Direction ninety nine was an edict from the Minister to

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Speaker 5: the Administry of Affairs Tribunal who deal with immigration appeals,

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Speaker 5: saying that if somebody spent a bit of time in Australia,

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Speaker 5: if they've got some ties to the Australian community, and

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Speaker 5: that's all left very vague, then we should give that

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Speaker 5: weight as against other factors like their criminal record. So

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Speaker 5: you know, the AAT Commissioner to have taken the Minister

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Speaker 5: seriously and they've done exactly that in these high profile

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Speaker 5: cases where people with rape offences, child abuse offenses, violent crime,

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Speaker 5: drug dealing, people that would all you know, would have

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Speaker 5: been before Direction ninety nine would have been out on

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Speaker 5: their ear. Now they can stay because they've got some

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Speaker 5: connection with the Australian community. I thought the only connection

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Speaker 5: that really mattered was whether you're prepare to take out

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Speaker 5: That's how it used to be. But now apparently you

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Speaker 5: don't need to do that. Not called the Direction ninety nine.

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Speaker 4: But you think the minister's incompetence in this is absolutely indefensible.

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Speaker 3: But apparently not. Here's Clara O'Neil going into bat for

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Speaker 7: Actually, Minister Giles has stepped in here. He's taking action

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Speaker 7: as a good minister would do. He's doing the right thing.

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Speaker 7: He's stepped in at the right moment.

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Speaker 1: He stepped in.

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Speaker 3: At the right moment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, A lot of people would dispute that he put

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Speaker 2: in this direction, this ministerial direction last January. Then they

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Speaker 2: use the laws, this direction that was put in by

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Speaker 2: your government to stay in this country. So do you

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Speaker 2: think it's maybe too late that Andrew Giles is acting now?

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Speaker 7: I just reiterate what Minister Giles has said yesterday. Those

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Speaker 7: visas were canceled by the part that government plays in this.

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Speaker 7: An independent tribunal overturned those decisions.

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Speaker 4: Nick, When is the Prime Minister going to show some

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Speaker 4: leadership here and put the safety of Australians before his mate.

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Speaker 5: Look, you know, we call this incompetence and that's what

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Speaker 5: it looks like from our point of view. But actually,

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Speaker 5: let's not forget that Albanezi and Andrew Giles they actually

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Speaker 5: philosophically wants an open border policy. They've only been forced

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Speaker 5: to do the turnback thing because of the electoral reasons,

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Speaker 5: but that cuts across the grain to them. I mean

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Speaker 5: what they've done here in making it easier for all

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Speaker 5: the country, that's exactly what they think. I mean, it's

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Speaker 5: the same as the Democrats in the United States, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Look at the open borders there. It's in their mindset.

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Speaker 5: So it's not in competence as so much as ideological

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Speaker 5: madness in my view.

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Speaker 4: Now on to the ABC and the fallout from the

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Speaker 4: Laura Tingle racism SAKA continues. Yesterday, ABC News director Justin

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Speaker 4: Stevens released a statement which said the following, amongst other things,

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Speaker 4: Laura Tingle's remarks at the Sydney Writers Festival at the

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Speaker 4: week and lacked the context, balance and supporting information of

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Speaker 4: her work for the ABC, and will not have met

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Speaker 4: ABC's editorial standards. Although the remarks were conversational not made

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Speaker 4: in her work capacity, the ABC and its employees have

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Speaker 4: a unique obligation in the Australian media.

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Speaker 3: Yet there doesn't seem.

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Speaker 4: To appear to be any acknowledgment of this failure from

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Speaker 4: Miss Tingle in her op ed length statement.

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Speaker 5: Does any No, No, she's full of self justification in there,

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Speaker 5: and she's been misunderstood and it's the Murdock Press and

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Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff. It's what you expect. We've

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Speaker 5: seen this play out before, haven't we That an ABC

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Speaker 5: reporter or commentator, you know, makes some outrageous statement or

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Speaker 5: does some misreporting, say for instance, on Donald Trump and Russia,

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Speaker 5: and it's just ignored. They get away with it. It's

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Speaker 5: a travesty and absolute travesty. And I wonder what it

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Speaker 5: would take to actually bring some discipline to the ABC,

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Speaker 5: because it seems that management are trying their best to

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Speaker 5: look like they're saying the right things, but you know,

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Speaker 5: it's very gentle slat with a wet letters leaf. I

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Speaker 5: think to Laura Jingle from ABC Management and there's no

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Speaker 5: consequences for us. She's too powerful.

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Speaker 4: Speaking of no consequences, and the Greens continue to take

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Speaker 4: a rather myopic and jaundice view of the conflict in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: Here's Adam Bant at the weekend struggling to admit that

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Speaker 4: Hermas is a terrorist organization.

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Speaker 8: Do you also agree Hamas is a terrorist organization that

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Speaker 8: needs to be dismantled.

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Speaker 6: Well, they're listed as a terrorist organization and our point

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Speaker 6: is now, well, it's it's just a fact.

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Speaker 3: Supported.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they're a terrorist organization? We're not.

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Speaker 3: Agree the terrorist organization?

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Speaker 6: Well, but the point is what are you going to

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Speaker 4: And then Nick yesterday the Greens engaged in an epic

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Speaker 4: Here here now onto the corporates and the new cycle.

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Speaker 4: Nick is littered with corporates taking positions on matters they

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Speaker 4: An interesting piece in the AFR about US corporations who

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Speaker 3: I think that's fair.

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Speaker 4: And ultimately nothing brings anyone crashing down to reality, quite

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Speaker 9: Very conflicted and corrupt.

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Speaker 8: Because of the confliction, very very corrupt, Mother.

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Speaker 8: These judges are rigged.

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Speaker 3: The whole thing is rigged.

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Speaker 5: The whole country's have messed between.

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Speaker 4: And then the judge's direction to jurors that raise some eyebrows.

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Speaker 9: It is one thing in particular that this judge said

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Speaker 4: And then lastly, this was the hot take from a

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Speaker 10: As you've noted with respect judge Mushan, I mean, I am,

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Speaker 10: If you looked in a dictionary for judicial temperament, that's

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Speaker 3: Nick, Can this chial get any more ridiculous?

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Speaker 5: That's weird that MSBC quote, isn't it? That really is

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Speaker 5: But is that, Caroline, you know about the law. Is

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Speaker 5: That's just not justice, is it? That surely have been

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Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think that's fair, definitely politically in

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Speaker 5: Well, this is supposed to be retaliation, isn't it that

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Speaker 5: But you know, if this is the best that Korean culture,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, look, it was not something that I was

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Jeren.

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Speaker 3: Peter, welcome to the show, Thanks Keren, thanks for having

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Speaker 4: Peter, your neck deep in the energy market here in

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Speaker 3: Why this one make the cup?

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Speaker 11: I think there are two reasons.

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Speaker 8: The first is all those Shells one of the biggest

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Speaker 4: And still on Victoria, we've seen the Energy Minister Lily

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Speaker 11: Look, maybe if I step it back.

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Speaker 8: It's a debate we often hear in the renewal industry,

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Speaker 4: That then an issue definitely obviously to Victoria in this

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Speaker 4: more difficult, and that ten percent at the end more difficult.

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Speaker 8: Look, I think it's not just environmental approvals. It is

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Speaker 8: a range of approvals. Whether it's a network access approval,

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Speaker 8: whether it's a community development approval, whether it's environmental heritage.

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Speaker 11: They all layer on top of each other.

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Speaker 8: So at the moment in Australia, you're generally, even for

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Speaker 8: the best planned wind farms from go you know an

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Speaker 8: idea through to sending electricity out on the grid, it's

447
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Speaker 8: about seven to ten years, which is too long. So yeah,

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Speaker 8: I think there are some concerns about the complexity of

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Speaker 8: the development process, and this may at the margin add

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Speaker 8: to it.

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Speaker 11: So I think there are some suggestions, and you.

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Speaker 8: Know, I'd be one of those that would welcome a

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Speaker 8: reconsideration of the holistic nature of this layering of approvals

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Speaker 8: on realbal projects.

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Speaker 4: Right and onto labour's future made in Australia policy. We

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Speaker 4: know that that there is very much centered around fast

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Speaker 4: tracking the transition and removing some of those.

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Speaker 3: National security issues which sit.

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Speaker 4: Around foreign manufacturing. To what extent do you think that

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Speaker 4: that policy can actually work and will that production of

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Speaker 4: manufacturing be able to occur without government subsidy?

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Speaker 8: Look, probably the thing to say is that every bit helps,

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Speaker 8: and more broadly, that initiative is actually quite small in

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Speaker 8: the scheme of things, so at the margin, I think

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Speaker 8: it helps. I don't think domestically production is necessarily going

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Speaker 8: to succeed without subsidies, and I think that's the government's intent.

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Speaker 8: The thing to say is that Australia has always been

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Speaker 8: a trading nation. We've relied on imports and exports. That's

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Speaker 8: who we are, just by the nature of our geography,

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Speaker 8: and so we are always going to rely on some

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Speaker 8: form of assistance. I don't think you can do it

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Speaker 8: all the time. The notion, however, and this is where

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Speaker 8: renewables get you. The notion that you might take more

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Speaker 8: control of your energy supplies rather than say, having to

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Speaker 8: import oil is a good.

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Speaker 11: Long term notion. And so yeah, it's a small piece.

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Speaker 8: I don't think it's going to be either a huge

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Speaker 8: blocker or a huge enabler, other than to say it

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Speaker 8: is support in the right direction.

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Speaker 11: Now.

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Speaker 4: Lastly, onto nuclear and the CSIRO has gone back to

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Speaker 4: the drawing.

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Speaker 3: Board this week.

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Speaker 4: They're asked to redo their home CSIR right by the coalition. Look,

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Speaker 4: I think most people, most people wouldn't well, wouldn't disagree

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Speaker 4: that the moratorium could come off.

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Speaker 3: And can we at least.

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Speaker 4: Talk about it, Like whether you actually go ahead and

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Speaker 4: have nuclear power?

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Speaker 3: I think is step two.

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Speaker 4: But I think most people would say, well, we should

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Speaker 4: at least be able.

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Speaker 3: To talk about it. Is there a world.

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Speaker 4: Where nuclear either in the large scale form or the

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Speaker 4: small scale form can work in Australia.

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Speaker 8: In Australia, look, I don't see it financially stacking up

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Speaker 8: given the advantages we have.

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Speaker 11: Around renewed energy and gas.

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Speaker 8: I just don't think, and we've not got a big market,

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Speaker 8: it definitely will play a part in industries and countries

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Speaker 8: where they're pre existing, absolutely, so I'm not against it.

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Speaker 8: I think the challenge is a little bit that it's

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Speaker 8: a distraction in Australia will take at least twenty years

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Speaker 8: from the start to get something up.

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Speaker 11: So look, I don't disagree with the premise.

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Speaker 8: I guess what's the harm in at least planning for

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Speaker 8: maybe planed c if you need it in twenty fifty,

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Speaker 8: well let's at least start now having those you know,

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Speaker 8: those conversations. I think you know, we only have to

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Speaker 8: look at the waste dump issue in Australia. We've been

511
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Speaker 8: unable to resolve that for thirty forty years, so these

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Speaker 8: are long duration we are.

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Speaker 3: Going to have to sort it out for aucust.

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Speaker 8: So that conversation, so that conversation need to say yeah

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Speaker 8: and look, so one hundred percent, why not have a

516
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Speaker 8: genuine conversation. I guess the trick is not to pretend

517
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Speaker 8: like it's in the next twenty years in terms of

518
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Speaker 8: energy or is the panacea.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, look it may in the future be a

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Speaker 11: long term need. But let's not get distracted right now.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, you can chew gum and walk at the

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Speaker 11: same time, right.

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Speaker 3: Like, so excellent insights, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Thanks still to come unhelpful news on inflation, But wasn't

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Speaker 4: the surprise the government seems to think it was. Welcome

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Speaker 4: back to the show. Joining me now is journalist and

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Speaker 4: analyst Tarek Brooker. Tarik, can we receive some very unhelpful

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Speaker 4: news on inflation yesterday? It was reported as being a surprise,

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Speaker 4: but I'm not entirely sure who was surprised. What were

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Speaker 4: the key takeaways in those figures for you?

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Speaker 12: I think the key takeaway was that we are seeing deflation,

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Speaker 12: outright deflation, so falling prices in things like recreation and

533
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Speaker 12: culture and in household goods and services. But even with

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Speaker 12: all those advantages that we're seeing, it's not putting enough

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Speaker 12: downward pressure on inflation to get this resolved quickly. And

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Speaker 12: I think that when you look at the graph of inflation,

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Speaker 12: whether it's the RBA's preferred measure, which is the trim

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Speaker 12: mean or headline rate of inflation, they're not going in

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Speaker 12: the right that they've stopped going in that downward trajectory

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Speaker 12: and they've started to sort of bottom out and in

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Speaker 12: some cases rise, and that's that's not what the rbas

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Speaker 12: want to be seeing, and that's not what Australians in

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Speaker 12: general want to be seeing.

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Speaker 3: No, they don't.

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Speaker 4: And we also keep hearing about the future for potential

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Speaker 4: rate hikes or at the very least a longer period

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Speaker 4: of time before there's a rate cut. Given some parts

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Speaker 4: of the economy are already softening despite the inflation, the

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Speaker 4: bba's job is becoming increasingly difficult, isn't it.

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Speaker 12: It is, and I think that that job is only

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Speaker 12: going to get harder. And this is the point that

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Speaker 12: it's some you know, a various numbers of prominent economiests

553
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Speaker 12: have made you know that they're saying that, you know,

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Speaker 12: the budget is in a lot of ways inflationary, and

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Speaker 12: while we will see the electricity subsidies and increases to

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Speaker 12: rent assistance put downward pressure on inflation as it's measured

557
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Speaker 12: in the CPI, we could see more upward pressure on

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Speaker 12: underline inflation as a result. So this really sort of

559
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Speaker 12: in a lot of ways traps the RBA in a

560
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Speaker 12: very very challenging position, particularly when you factor in that

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Speaker 12: we could see a significant rise in unemployment because we

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Speaker 12: are seeing that deterioration in things like job ads and

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Speaker 12: job vacancies across both the public metrics and those done

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Speaker 12: by the private sector.

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Speaker 4: And inflation and the cost of servicing debt are obviously

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Speaker 4: putting increasing strain on household budgets. Are we starting to

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Speaker 4: see any movement in housing stock or housing prices or

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Speaker 4: anything like that.

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Speaker 12: We are seeing not so much in prices as of yet.

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Speaker 12: We have seen in for example, on the call Logic

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Speaker 12: figures in Melbourne, we have seen prices start to flatten

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Speaker 12: out and in some cases decline. But in terms of stock,

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Speaker 12: that's where I think things get interesting. We are if

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Speaker 12: you look at the prop track, which is real estate

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Speaker 12: dot COM's new listings figures, we are starting to see

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Speaker 12: some very strong rises in the number of new lists

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Speaker 12: in Sydney and Melbourne in particular. Now while the number

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Speaker 12: of overall listings on market still remains quite subdued in

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Speaker 12: most places well with the exception of Melbourne. We are

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Speaker 12: just seeing that very very interesting divergence, you know, in

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Speaker 12: the places where we are seeing those high levels of

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Speaker 12: mortgage stress, where we are seeing those people with the

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Speaker 12: larger loans, places like Sydney and Melbourne, we are seeing

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Speaker 12: more stock come to market, but in the smaller capitals

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Speaker 12: where loans tend to be a lot smaller, we haven't

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Speaker 12: seen those same issues.

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Speaker 4: Now, the issue with inflation doesn't only affect households. We

588
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Speaker 4: are seeing business getting squeezed as well with obviously increased

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Speaker 4: costs of.

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Speaker 3: Production and wages.

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Speaker 4: What are the current pain points in your view for

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Speaker 4: business and what is the impact on real wage growth.

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Speaker 12: Well, businesses are a bit stuck really because we've seen

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Speaker 12: we've seen inflation come down, we've seen their ability to

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Speaker 12: pass on rising costs come down, even though if you

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Speaker 12: look at some of the various surveys, so for example,

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Speaker 12: the NAB business that we're still seeing those input costs

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Speaker 12: at a relatively high level, but wage demands and while

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Speaker 12: wages may have peaked, wage demands remain quite high. And

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Speaker 12: as the chart on the screen shows, workers have a

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Speaker 12: long long way to go before they regain where wages

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Speaker 12: were prior to the pandemic. Let alone the blowoff top

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Speaker 12: that we saw following the introduction of lockdowns, and at

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Speaker 12: the current rate, we're talking about a pathway that could

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Speaker 12: potentially take years, if not well, could potentially take well

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Speaker 12: over a decade. And that's really not great news for

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Speaker 12: Australian workers who are on this long, long path back

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Speaker 12: to normality.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely and not great for living standards either in the

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Speaker 4: introm Now onto housing more broadly, and despite us suppose

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Speaker 4: that what it seems like a cacophony of voices lamenting

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Speaker 4: this housing crisis, home construction nears a two year low.

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Speaker 4: Can you explain to us what we're seeing and how

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Speaker 4: is it possible, given so much focus of the discussion

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Speaker 4: on housing at the moment, that this is actually happening.

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Speaker 12: It's honestly, it's honestly a bit of a mess because

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Speaker 12: we saw construct housing construction in terms of completions peak

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Speaker 12: all the way back in twenty seventeen and that cycle,

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Speaker 12: that building cycle hasn't yet come to an end, and

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Speaker 12: that's a rather significant issue now. As the child on

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Speaker 12: the screen shows, in terms of completions per capita, we're

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Speaker 12: actually at a very very low level, but relative to

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Speaker 12: the rest of the world, we're actually doing quite well.

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Speaker 12: So Australia is a little bit of a contradiction. We've

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Speaker 12: got this ginormous juggernaut of a construction sector that manages

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Speaker 12: to at times outbuild multiple rivals put together in terms

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Speaker 12: of per capita outcomes, but it's not employed very efficiently.

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Speaker 12: Now there's a lot of reasons for that. There's red tape,

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Speaker 12: green tape, just you know, issues that have crept into

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Speaker 12: the sector over the years in terms of labor being

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Speaker 12: employed efficiently, and we've seen the output per worker in

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Speaker 12: terms of whether you're talking about the number of homes

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Speaker 12: being completed or the square majia each of homes being

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Speaker 12: completed fall over time. So I think that that's a

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Speaker 12: really important part of the conversation that the government and

636
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Speaker 12: policy makers and stakeholders need to be having, that we

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Speaker 12: need to use our construction sector more efficiently in order

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Speaker 12: to do more with what we have to get closer

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Speaker 12: to that unfortunately quite unrealistic target the Albaneze government as

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Speaker 12: set of one point two million new homes.

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Speaker 3: And just on that.

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Speaker 4: You know, the governments can set construction targets and that's

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Speaker 4: one thing, but it really does appear that we just

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Speaker 4: don't have enough skilled labor to carry out these works.

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Speaker 3: Not only for housing, but given the huge number of.

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Speaker 4: State and federal infrastructure projects that are also on foot

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Speaker 4: or are in the pipeline.

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Speaker 3: Is that right? And are there any other impediments that

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Speaker 3: you see?

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Speaker 12: There is the biggest impediment I see is the continued

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Speaker 12: rise of knockdown rebuilds. Now that doesn't sound like it's

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Speaker 12: something it's going to be like a fit in really

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Speaker 12: all that significant. But if we go back, say to

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Speaker 12: say twenty sixteen twenty seventeen, only roughly about six or

655
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Speaker 12: seven percent of dwelling completions were in effect knockdown rebuilds.

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Speaker 12: As of the latest comparable figures, that's now fifteen percent.

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Speaker 12: So we have to build a lot more in order

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Speaker 12: to get net dwelling growth. So I think that's part

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Speaker 12: of the problem. And as I said previously, it's just

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Speaker 12: about employing our construction sector efficiently. Now our construction sector

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Speaker 12: employees over one point three million people. It is the largest,

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Speaker 12: is one of the largest construction sectors in the developed

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Speaker 12: world per capita. And I think that we can do

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Speaker 12: a lot more with what we have, even with the

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Speaker 12: burden placed by the increased levels of infrastructure construction, to

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Speaker 12: keep up with population growth. But I think that that

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Speaker 12: requires a lot of difficult conversations from policy makers and

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Speaker 12: just an acknowledgment of the fact that we have gone

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Speaker 12: backwards in a lot of important ways, and that those

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Speaker 12: issues need to be addressed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And on that, I've only got about a

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Speaker 4: minute left. You know, we know that housing is going

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Speaker 4: to be a hot topic for the federal election approaching.

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Speaker 4: Both major parties are proffering policy on housing. But what

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Speaker 4: policy settings do you think will best alleviate the current crisis?

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Speaker 12: I think, realistically there needs to be a conversation about immigration,

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Speaker 12: because if it depends if you say, for example, amp

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Speaker 12: Shane Oliver's analysis that says we have a shortage of

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Speaker 12: two hundred thousand homes, if that's the case, in attempting

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Speaker 12: to alleviate that shortage while we are still running a

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Speaker 12: migration intake of two hundred and fifteen hundred sixty thousand

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Speaker 12: as laid out in the federal budget, you're talking about

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Speaker 12: something that's going to take the best part of a decade.

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Speaker 12: So I think that there needs to be a conversation

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Speaker 12: about how many homes do we need, do we actually

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Speaker 12: need to alleviate this shortage, and how are we going

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Speaker 12: to achieve that with the settings that are being employed.

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Speaker 12: So that's going to be a tough one for the

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Speaker 12: alban Eze government, and I think increasingly as we're seeing

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Speaker 12: with our premier Stephen miles in Queensland an increasingly difficult

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Speaker 12: conversation between the States and the federal government.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, thank you so much for your observations. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Terry Brooker.

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Speaker 12: No worries, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: Still to come, potential fresh charges for Harvey Weinstein could

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Speaker 4: see more Hollywood types dragged into this scandal.

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Speaker 3: Plus Harry im Meagan At demanding not only an apology

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Speaker 3: from the royal family, but more praise and recognition. Are

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Speaker 3: they having a laugh?

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Speaker 4: Joining me now is entertainment and royal reporter Kinsey Schofield.

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Speaker 1: Kinsey.

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Speaker 4: Harvey Weinstein hasn't been in the news for a while,

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Speaker 4: but he was recently.

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Speaker 3: Back in court on the wrong end of some more charges.

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Speaker 3: What's the update?

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Speaker 1: That's right? Havevey Weinstein appeared in a wheelchair before a

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Speaker 1: judge on Wednesday afternoon in the scene NYC Court house

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Speaker 1: where President Donald Trump is currently on trial. Manhattan prosecutors

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Speaker 1: told a judge that they're exploring new claims of sexual

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Speaker 1: misconduct made against Harvey Weinstein and are considering seeking a

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Speaker 1: new indictment against him ahead of his scheduled retrial on

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Speaker 1: rape charges leader this year. Additional alleged victims have come

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Speaker 1: forward with assault claims, and prosecutors are currently assessing which

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Speaker 1: while under the state's statue of limitations. The retrial on

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Speaker 1: that rape charge that was tossed out by the court

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Speaker 1: I believe it was just a month ago, is tentatively

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Speaker 1: scheduled shortly after Labor Day.

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Speaker 4: We'll see where that goes. But I feel like they're

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Speaker 4: still a bit to wash out there, Kinsey. Now onto

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Speaker 4: our next topic, Northwest and the trials are having a

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Speaker 4: go at North where she's Kim Kardashian and Kanye West daughter.

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Speaker 4: Apparently her performance is Simba is not up to what

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Speaker 4: the armchair critics expected.

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Speaker 3: Here's a.

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Speaker 13: Little king. I'm looking now, I'm working.

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Speaker 3: Kinsy, She's just a kid. What do you make of these?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's performing. I just can't wait to be king.

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Speaker 1: This is the Hollywood Bulls thirtieth anniversary celebration for the

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Speaker 1: Lion King. Criticism has been ridiculously harsh, but you know,

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Speaker 1: North was quick to join TikTok years ago. She worked

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Speaker 1: on her father's latest album. She has clearly chosen this path,

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Speaker 1: so hopefully her parents are preparing her behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: for the negative attention. This industry will inevitably attract, but

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, her mother and father

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Speaker 1: will open a lot of doors for her that genuinely

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Speaker 1: talented children will not have the privilege to enter. So

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Speaker 1: her life will be a blessing and a curse, with

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Speaker 1: a few more perks than the average person.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, but let's hope she still gets to be a

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Speaker 4: bit of a kid in the meantime, And it seems

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Speaker 4: that not all is well in the Lopez Affleck household.

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Speaker 4: We understand j Lowe is canceling some shows and made

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Speaker 4: some relationship termoil.

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Speaker 3: What's going on here?

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, you know. She has had a bad year,

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Speaker 1: three critically panned films, her worst selling album ever, She's

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Speaker 1: canceled concert dates across the States, and she's currently living

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Speaker 1: separately from her relatively new husband. But despite reports that

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Speaker 1: plans for Jennifer Lopez's Las Vegas residency are now in jeopardy,

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Speaker 1: the Daily Mail reports that negotiations are very much ongoing,

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Speaker 1: and it was reported earlier this week that n GM

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Speaker 1: Grand and Live Nation offered her one million dollars per

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Speaker 1: night for ninety shows in twenty twenty five. So Ben

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Speaker 1: Affleck's back tattoo might not be there when she gets home,

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Speaker 1: but the bank account will be, so I think she's

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Speaker 1: going to be okay.

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Speaker 3: And kisy onto.

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Speaker 4: Our favorite topic, the royals, and the commentary on the

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Speaker 4: not Royal Royal touring Kenya continues, but this time it's

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Speaker 4: Nigeria's First Lady who offered her view on the Sussex's visit.

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Speaker 3: What was her particular criticism, Yeah, this.

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Speaker 1: Is really set the internet ablaze. She said, tell young

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Speaker 1: girls and women, we don't accept nakedness in our culture.

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Speaker 1: That is not beautiful. She also stressed they do not

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Speaker 1: want to mimic and try to emulate film stars from America.

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Speaker 1: They don't know where they come from. Why did Meghan

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Speaker 1: come here looking for Africa? Whether there was resentment towards

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Speaker 1: Megan there, I'm not sure. I don't have an opinion

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Speaker 1: on that, but I do think it's an odd coincidence

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Speaker 1: considering the fact that Megan was criticized for her wardrobe

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Speaker 1: being culturally inappropriate throughout that trip. And I mean friendly reminder,

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Speaker 1: Meghan Markle is a Hollywood actress, so you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a very odd coincidence.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And another story which just won't go away is

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Speaker 4: the Prince Harry visa saga. The information still hasn't been

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Speaker 4: publicly released, and it appears.

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Speaker 3: The kid gloves are out for the Prince.

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Speaker 1: What's the latest, Well, I mean, it's again the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration protecting Prince Harry. The Telegraph headline read Biden administration

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Speaker 1: pleads with court to keep Prince Harry's visa documents under wraps.

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Speaker 1: This is found inside a fifty three page transcript from

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Speaker 1: a court hearing all the way back in February. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is the Heritage Foundation saying, the American public just

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Speaker 1: wants to know the truth. How is Prince Harry here?

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Speaker 1: Did he lie on his visa application? Or was he

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Speaker 1: given special privilege? The Biden administration fighting and their new

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Speaker 1: I guess their new argument is this, many of these

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Speaker 1: records are law enforcement records. They believe there is a

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Speaker 1: stigma associated with being mentioned in law enforcement records, and

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Speaker 1: they argue that publishing those files would expose confidential law

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Speaker 1: enforcement tools. The government insists even Prince Harry deserves some

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Speaker 1: form of privacy.

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Speaker 4: That's very interesting considering that the stigma doesn't seem to

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Speaker 4: be an issue when it comes to other people, because

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Speaker 4: we know the rules for everyone else. So it's very

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Speaker 4: interesting that this here seems to be the principal argument

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Speaker 4: in this case, and in so far as Prince Harry

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Speaker 4: is concerned. Now we've seen a continued and stunning lack

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Speaker 4: of self awareness out of the Sussexes, but apparently now

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Speaker 4: Harry's reportedly frustrated that the Royal family won't acknowledge his achievements. Now,

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Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure where to begin with on this, Kinsey.

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Speaker 4: The entitlement is thick and fast here, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you, but I don't necessarily know

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Speaker 1: if I believe this. I don't consider Prince Harry the

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Speaker 1: most intelligent person in the world, but I give him

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Speaker 1: more credit than to believe he was sitting around expecting

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Speaker 1: a high five from the Royal family after calling a

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Speaker 1: room full of Nigerian scammers his in laws. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this guy's written to hot shacks all over the States,

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Speaker 1: banned from entering the States. This guy over here, like

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Speaker 1: is accused of funneling money through the United States, and

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Speaker 1: I think was also booted from the United States. So

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Speaker 1: Harry knows that he made some mistakes throughout that trip,

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Speaker 1: and he's got to acknowledge them if he wants to

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Speaker 1: continue to play fake royal, you know, internationally, I.

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Speaker 4: Think that's that's probably a pretty good point. Maybe we

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Speaker 4: don't quite give him enough credit, But onto Princess Catherine,

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Speaker 4: and she's been saying out and about during her recovery,

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Speaker 4: and you know, as you well know some of the

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Speaker 4: scandalous rumors which have been circulating in recent months, it's

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Speaker 4: probably some smart pr for her occasionally to be seen

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Speaker 4: in the flesh.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that's fair?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I don't know if I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I think it is good pr for her, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think that that's her objective because it's my understanding

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Speaker 1: that she was incredibly hurt by the conspiracy theories, I

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Speaker 1: mean emotionally hurt and just wanted to high away. But

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Speaker 1: it is being reported that she has turned a corner

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Speaker 1: when it comes to her health. The family is feeling

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Speaker 1: positive about the direction. She is spending time in the

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Speaker 1: sunshine with her babies, and her children are especially grateful

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Speaker 1: for the rare down time to just enjoy and love

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Speaker 1: on both their mother and father, because how often do

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Speaker 1: they just get to come home and mom and dad

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Speaker 1: are both there, so I'm grateful that her health has improved.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to see her at trooping, but my people

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Speaker 1: are telling me it looks like more possibly an autumn

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Speaker 1: relaunch for the Princess of Wales. But oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: I would be so thrilled if we got to see

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Speaker 1: her at trooping.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be amazing.

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Speaker 4: And look, we do understand that her treatment is progressing,

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Speaker 4: but we don't have any sort of return timeline yet,

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Speaker 4: do we. I mean, you've mentioned the autumn, but you

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Speaker 4: know that could be anytime.

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Speaker 1: Right, absolutely, And the Palace is insisting that they're not

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Speaker 1: going to give us a date. And what I've also

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Speaker 1: heard is that both Prince William and King Charles have

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Speaker 1: stressed to her it's all about you. You know, once

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Speaker 1: your doctors clear, you do not feel any pressure to

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Speaker 1: return to work. Come back when you're ready. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm sure she I'm sure she misses us too,

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Speaker 1: but we certainly do miss her.

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Speaker 4: She's box office, yeah absolutely, But the most important thing

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Speaker 4: I think is it that she gets well and if

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Speaker 4: she needs the time, she should absolutely take the time.

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Speaker 3: Now this year we've really seen, obviously.

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Speaker 4: With both Charles and Catherine, the impact of what can

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Speaker 4: go wrong with a slim down royal family. Kinzie a

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Speaker 4: great piece in the UK Telegraph suggesting that William might

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Speaker 4: put more and.

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Speaker 3: Younger royals up front.

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Speaker 4: Is that the solution both to the actual and the

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Speaker 4: perception issues.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure you remember that interview where the Princess

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Speaker 1: Royal Anne was like, that's a ridiculous idea, the suggestion

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Speaker 1: of a slim down monarchy, and the King actually made

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Speaker 1: those comments deck ago. What we see today isn't that execution.

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Speaker 1: It's just a tragic hand that they've been dealt. And

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Speaker 1: when we see Prince William engaging with all of his

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Speaker 1: cousins at the Buckingham Palace garden party, I think he's

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Speaker 1: expressing his love for his family and unity. But the

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Speaker 1: Queen was very clear that half in, half out doesn't work,

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Speaker 1: and it's part of the reason that Harry and Meghan

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Speaker 1: continue to publicly fall on their faces. I don't really

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Speaker 1: believe that Prince William will attempt to bring any additional

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Speaker 1: family members center stage, but I do think he's going

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Speaker 1: to keep his cousins close to him. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's going to stay those core members.

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Speaker 3: And just on keeping those cousins close.

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Speaker 4: I was fortunate enough to interview Peter Phillips earlier this year.

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Speaker 4: He really is a sensible and steady set of hands.

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Speaker 4: It's reported this week that he has been really valuable

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Speaker 4: support to Prince William, particularly since.

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Speaker 3: The brothers have fallen out. I've only got about.

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Speaker 4: Thirty seconds left, But what's your view now?

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Speaker 1: Peter's got great length experience, He's outside of that bubble,

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Speaker 1: and he has his mother's backbone. He cares deeply about

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Speaker 1: loyalty and their family, something Prince William also values more

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Speaker 1: than ever. So I stand. I love this. I love

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Speaker 1: the idea of these two.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so do I.

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Speaker 4: Kinsey Schofield, thank you so much for joining us. Now

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Speaker 4: I'm going to leave you with a shout out to

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Speaker 4: those fighting the good fight against the ban on live

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Speaker 4: sheep export.

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Speaker 3: This week, the Labor Caucus gave.

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Speaker 4: The nod to the introduction of legislation to phase out

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Speaker 4: live sheep exports by one May eight. In response, farmers

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Speaker 4: in wa are planning a mass convoy through the Perth

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Speaker 4: CBD tomorrow to protest the proposed.

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Speaker 3: Band and they aren't stuffing around.

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Speaker 4: They're not going to just sit back while their livelihoods

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Speaker 4: are phased out and millions of millions of dollars are

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Speaker 4: ripped from regional communities. We talk constantly about the need

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Speaker 4: to diverse fire trade and so it's just ludicrous to

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Speaker 4: ban a viable, world class industry so labor can indulge

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Speaker 4: the ideological proclivities of its left flank.

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Speaker 3: To show your.

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Speaker 4: Support, please go to ww dot keepths sheep dot com

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Speaker 4: dot au forward Slash petition and sign their petition. In Australia,

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Speaker 4: we don't kick our farmers and this is one kick

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Speaker 4: from labor we need to stand against.

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Speaker 3: And that's that's it for me. Up next to his Newsnight,

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Speaker 3: good Night,