1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: A warning that this series contains graphic details that include 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: references to murder and rape. Thursday, the thirteenth of January 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy seven started as just another normal day on 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: the streets of Collingwood, and it was also supposed to 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: be a regular day at work for twenty four year 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: old sports journalist Alona Stevens, but soft cries from a 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: baby woke her up at about seven point thirty in 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: the morning. Alona hadn't heard from her neighbors Susanne Armstrong 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: and Susan Bartlett for a few days. She and her 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: housemate Janet Powell had found the girl's dog loose on 11 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Easy Street and had pinned a note to their front 12 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: door letting them know that they had him at their place. 13 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: They'd been round there almost ten times over the past 14 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: few days, but so far neither of the girls had 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: come next door to collect him. Alona and Janet couldn't 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: ignore the baby's soft cries, so they walked to one 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: four seven Easy Street and stepped inside through the two 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: sus back door. They walked through the kitchen and then 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: into the hallway. The walls and bedrooms were covered in blood, 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 1: and their neighbors lay lifeless in front of them. 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 2: This is Victoria's most serious cold case and longest cold case. 22 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 3: Forty seven years after the Easy Street double murders, charges 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 3: have finally been laid today. Right now, the main suspect 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,279 Speaker 3: in one of us traight is most notorious double murder 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 3: cold cases, is in the air on a flight back 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: to Melbourne. 27 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 4: Perry Crumble's fronted court today charged with two counts of 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 4: murder and one count of rape. 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: My name is Olivia Jenkins and I'm a crime reporter 30 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: at the Herald Sun, and this is hunting justice the 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: Easy Street murders. I was in better sleep and what 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: woke me was I heard Gregory crying. 33 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 5: I yelled at a loona and she got up and 34 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 5: knew there was something badly wrong. 35 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: That's a voice recreating the moment. Janet Powell said she 36 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: found her murdered neighbors inside their house. Her house made 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: Alona Stephens had also recalled the horrific discovery. 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 5: I went next door, found two bodies and couldn't go 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 5: to work. I called work because there were lots of police. 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 5: I just found my neighbors murdered. I bent down over 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 5: Sue Bartlett and it was obvious she was dead, and 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 5: I looked up and it was right at the entrance 43 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 5: of the front bathroom. I stepped in, but I didn't 44 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 5: go near her. She was obviously dead as well. 45 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: Officer Gary Loker from the North Fitzroy Division gets the 46 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: first call about a possible disturbance at one four seven 47 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: Easy Street about nine o'clock on the morning of Thursday, 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: January thirteenth, nineteen seventy seven. He and a colleague arrived 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: at the house first, taking a moment to inspect its 50 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: front door. There they find the note Alona Stephens and 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: Janet Powell had pinned to the door, the one letting 52 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: Susanne Armstrong and Susan Bartlett know that they had their 53 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: dog back at their place after it got loose and 54 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: was running around on the street. Officer Looker doesn't spot 55 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: any signs of forced entry there and knocks on the 56 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: door a few times, but there's no answer. 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 6: We knocked multiple times trying to see if there was 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 6: anyone in the house. We also yelled saying we were 59 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 6: a police. 60 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: Everything you're hearing from Officer Looker came to light just 61 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: a few months ago in the committal hearing for Perry Crumblas, 62 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: as were the accounts you've just heard from a loner 63 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: in Janet. In this episode, we'll use the testimonies at 64 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: that committal to guide you through what a court has 65 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: heard happened the night the two suits were brutally murdered. 66 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: When you hear voice actors for Officer Looker, a loner, Janet, 67 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: and others that will be speaking the words these people 68 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: said inside that courtroom. 69 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: A committal is basically a test run of the real 70 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: criminal trial. 71 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: That's John Paul Cashen. He's a media lawyer and partner 72 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: at the high profile firm Thomson Gear and he explained 73 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: how committals work to my colleague and Mushroom Cook host 74 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: Brook Greeb. 75 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: Craig in Victoria. If you face a murder trial, you 76 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 2: go to the Supreme Court and you face a very 77 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: very serious criminal trial in panel a jury of twelve jurors, 78 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: sometimes more, all of the witnesses come before the court 79 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: and give their evidence orally they get cross examined. There's 80 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: often a lot of legal argument. The jurors are put 81 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: out of the courtroom while the solicitors and lawyers have 82 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: arguments about things. It can take easily ten to twelve weeks. 83 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: In a case like this, the committal is a much 84 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: more informal process, and basically it's a test run for 85 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 2: that criminal trial in the Supreme Court. It happens in 86 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: the magistrate's court, a much more informal process, and the 87 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 2: main job of the magistrate is to test whether there's 88 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: enough evidence to take it to the Supreme Court. So 89 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: it's quicker, it's shorter, it's more streamlined, and it allows 90 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: everyone to really just test whether this is the kind 91 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: of case that really should go to trial, so you 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 2: really do get a mini trial happening in the committal. 93 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: Here's what Officer look at hold the magistrate's court. 94 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 6: From my memory, there was nothing untoward whatsoever, nothing that 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 6: alerted me to anything we were about to see. 96 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: Officer Looker and his colleague then walked down the lane 97 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: way on the right of the house. There's still no 98 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: sign of anybody inside, so they enter the house through 99 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: the back door and step into the kitchen. It's when 100 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: Officer Looker moves into the hallway that the reason for 101 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: the triple zero call becomes clear. 102 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 6: I turned to my left, facing towards the front door, 103 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 6: and I saw what I believed to be a body 104 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 6: lying near the front door in the passageway. 105 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 7: Now what they saw was a terrible scene. 106 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: That's vetching crime writer and podcaster Andrew Rule. 107 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 7: Once you got down towards the front of the house, 108 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 7: down the dark corridor, there was blood on the walls, 109 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 7: there was blood on the floor. Susan Bartlett's body was there. 110 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 7: It had been stabbed in a frenzy of I think 111 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 7: more than forty or fifty stab wounds. 112 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: Officer La Corendi's colleague draw their weapons and move carefully 113 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: through the house. Standing less than a meter away from 114 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: Sue Bartlett's body. Officer Looker watches his colleagues back as 115 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: the other officer steps into the front bedroom. Sue Armstrong 116 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: is lying on her back, with her legs spread open 117 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: and her night dress pulled up over her chest. She's 118 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: naked from the waist down, and there's a pool of 119 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:24,799 Speaker 1: blood under her head. 120 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 7: Susan Armstrong, she'd also been stabbed and attacked, presumably sexually 121 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 7: assaulted in a sort of frenzied way, and the result 122 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 7: was a terrible scene. 123 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 3: It was a terrible scene of extraordinary violence, brutality. I mean, 124 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 3: it was a vicious attack on true women and it 125 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: costs them new lives. So imagine you don't have to 126 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: really imagine very hard to think of what it must 127 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 3: have been like for a Lona and Janet to walk 128 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: into the house and into the hallway and find, you know, 129 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: initially see Susan lying in the hallway, and then eventually 130 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 3: to find Suzanne in the front bedroom, and of course 131 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: young Gregory in his court in the middle bedroom. 132 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: That's journalists and author Helen Thomas, and she's reported on 133 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: this case right from the start. She was a cadet 134 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: reporter at the Age newspaper when the girls were killed, 135 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: and she's the author of the book Murder on Easy Street, 136 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: often cited as one of the most detailed accounts of 137 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: the investigation. 138 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: Susan Bartlett put up an extraordinary struggle in the hallway 139 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: because she ended up being stabbed some fifty five times. 140 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: And Suzanne, if what the police have believed through the 141 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 3: deckages is right, Suzanne had already been killed in her 142 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: bedroom just off the hallway, you know, at the front 143 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: of the house, if you like. That's what stands out, 144 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: just the sheer brutality of the crime. 145 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: The officers then retreat back into the hallway where officer 146 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: looker spots the bathroom at the end of the corridor, 147 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: back near the kitchen. The officers walk back outside onto 148 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: the street to radio the homicide squad from their patrol car, 149 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: which was parked out the front. By ten o'clock, detectives 150 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: have answered the call for backup and the entire house 151 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: is a crime scene. Homicide detective Douglas Carroll and three 152 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: others arrive, along with forensic scientist Moiro McBain, two constables, 153 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: and a crime scene photographer. There are a lot of 154 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: names that I'm mentioning here, but many of these people 155 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: could be called to give evidence at Perry's trial, so 156 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: we wanted to introduce them to now. The pictures taken 157 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: by the photographer on that day included the disheveled look 158 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: of the women's bedrooms and the blood that was splattered 159 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: on the wall next to Sue Bartlett. They also contained 160 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: images of the women themselves and the sheer force that 161 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: was unleashed on them during the frenzied attack. They're extremely confronting, 162 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: and the images of them stay with you. Even the 163 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: most experienced homicide detectives have said they've been deeply disturbed 164 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: by these images. Here's Helen Thomas again. 165 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 3: From everyone I've spoken to who was in who actually 166 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 3: saw that crime scene, it was something you never forget. 167 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: In fact, Peter Hiscock, who was one of the first 168 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 3: detectives on the scene and he was only thirty years 169 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: old at the time, he actually said that hardly a 170 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: day goes by when he doesn't think about those murders, 171 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 3: when he doesn't remember Susanne Armstrong and Susan Bartlett. 172 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: On the morning of the murders, Sergeant Henry Huggins also 173 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: pulls up to the scene with a senior sergeant and 174 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: another detective. Sergeant Huggins is about to conduct a search 175 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: of the entire property with Moira McBain when an officer 176 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: hands him some potential evidence, a blood stained towel. Moira 177 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: McBain collects more blood samples from different spots around the 178 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: house and those samples are handed to are constable for labeling. 179 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 4: But what they. 180 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: Don't find is a potential murder weapon. By later that morning, 181 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: the house is buzzing with more police. Another homicide unit arrives. 182 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: The rest of Melbourne is completely unaware of the horrific 183 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: discovery that's prompted the commotion at one four seven Easy Street. 184 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: But the morning TV news begins with its coverage of 185 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: the murders, and so do the papers, and one by one, 186 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: the girl's family and friends are watching and reading every 187 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: grim detail. Susan Armstrong's boyfriend, Barry Woodard, and his sister 188 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: Margaret Chilcott are watching their television screens with the sinking 189 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: realization that the reason all their phone calls to the 190 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: house went unanswered was rolling on the screen in front 191 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: of them. 192 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 2: I wonder if that's Susan. 193 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: Barry recalled saying to his sister, And they weren't the 194 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 1: only ones who caught the bulletin. Vicky Crow, the girlfriend 195 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: of Susan Bartlett's brother Martin, rings him. Martin then does 196 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: his sister's number, but when the calls answered, it's not 197 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: Susan on the other end of the line. 198 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 4: VICKI heard about the deaths on the eleven AM news. 199 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: She rang me, and as a result, I rang my 200 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 4: sister's phone and a detective ans at it and I 201 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 4: found out that my sister had been killed. 202 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: That's what Sue Bartlett's brother Martin said in nineteen seventy 203 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: seven in a statement during an inquest that was held 204 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: into the girl's deaths, But what happened to those cries 205 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: alone to Stephens and Janet Powell heard through their shared wall, 206 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: where was Suzanne's little baby? Greg? Severely distressed and dehydrated 207 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: after being in the house all alone for several days, 208 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: his mother lying dead in the next room. Greg's taken 209 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: to the Royal Children's Hospital to be assessed. He's then 210 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: transported to the Alambi Reception Center, a children's home for 211 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: babies and kids who would suffered family tragedies or were troubled. 212 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: The investigation is well underway by the afternoon of the thirteenth. 213 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: Medical examiner James McNamara begins a post mortem examination of 214 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: the two siouxs bodies to determine exactly how they'd been killed. 215 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: Doctor McNamara noted the fatal injuries were likely inflicted with 216 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: a knife or some sort of similar weapon. Vaginal swabs 217 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: were collected from both women, as well as scrapings from 218 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: underneath their fingernails. Testing showed Sue Bartlet was O blood type, 219 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: while Sue Armstrong was A. Later on the thirteenth, detectives 220 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: take the samples to forensic scientist Moira McBain to be analyzed. 221 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: The next day, Sergeant Henry Huggins goes back to Easy 222 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: Street to start combing the nearby area for clues, looking 223 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: inside drains and manholes for potential evidence, and he finds 224 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: a shawl and a face washer. That same day, forensic 225 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: scientist Moira McBain also receives a towel, bed sheets, a lamp, panties, 226 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 1: and a face washer for forensic testing. A few days later, 227 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Sergeant Alfred Oldfield from the homicide squad makes another trip 228 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: back to the Easy Street house with two other officers, 229 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: this time to cut a sample of the carpet out 230 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: of one of the front bedrooms, as well as a 231 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: shopping basket and a cardigan belonging to one of the 232 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: SIUs for testing. Many of those samples, plus others taken 233 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: from inside one four seven Easy Street, will become the 234 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: center of the prosecution's case against Perry Krumblus, and we'll 235 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: go into more detail about them in a later episode. 236 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: As the investigation gets under way, the two sous loved 237 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: ones are left in total shock and without any answers 238 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: about who could have killed them and why. Friend Warren 239 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: Tucker remembers his shock at seeing his own friends becoming 240 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: the victims of such a brutal attack. 241 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 8: I always thought, you know, these things happen to other people, 242 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 8: you know, almost terrible that it was just shocked when 243 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 8: A looked at the TV. I sat on the TV 244 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 8: and I know that's good. And there was a real shock, 245 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 8: especially because you know, we've been with them for high 246 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 8: was probably two years with them, and then met Susanne 247 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 8: in Melbourne again. But yeah, it was a real shock 248 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 8: to imagine people that I knew we were in that situation. 249 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 8: Always still the years of things happening, but it was 250 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 8: always somebody else, what's the news? And then bang took 251 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 8: a while to sink in. 252 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: A Neville Webster was just as devastated. 253 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 9: Opened the paper and he was this big spread about 254 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 9: the Easy Street murders, and I remember I was really shocked. 255 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 9: It's sort of I don't know what it was. A 256 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 9: strange feeling came down to me and I sort of know, 257 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 9: it's unbelievable that that happened to young people that I 258 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 9: knew very well, been at school with years. 259 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: Neville was also confused. The girls didn't seem to have 260 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: an enemy in the world and didn't seem like the 261 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: type of people that have done anything to prompt or 262 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: to warrant the painful ends. 263 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 7: They met a really nice young people. 264 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 9: I mean you sort of think about, well, would they 265 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 9: have somehow contributed to that, And I don't think so. 266 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 9: I mean people that didn't know that were probably think, well, 267 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 9: maybe they were a bit sort of responsible for it 268 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 9: in some way. Maybe they knew some people that were 269 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 9: not all that good, but they weren't. They were just genuine, 270 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 9: sort of responsible people. 271 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: And as the gravity of the crime began to think 272 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: in Mary Sue Bartlett's student that you heard from last episode, 273 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: felt terrible about giving her teacher such a hard time. 274 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 10: So we were on school holidays anyway. Then when we 275 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 10: went back to school, we had this big assembly because 276 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 10: we had this big state of the art theater. Then 277 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 10: the principles told us what's happened, but it was sort 278 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 10: of like a memorial as well, and then they put 279 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 10: a photo of Susan and Bartlet up in the library. 280 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 10: I know, it's really terrible because we thought, oh, she 281 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 10: wasn't she was so strict that teacher. Well, but I 282 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 10: think it was more we were thinking how horrific that was, 283 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 10: you know, the way they were. 284 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 8: Killed. 285 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 10: It was just and then sort of felt horrible some 286 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 10: of the kids because they treated her really badly. Because 287 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 10: there was a lot of naughty kids there. I think 288 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 10: as kids, I don't think, and younger kids, I don't think. 289 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 8: You really. 290 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 7: Not. 291 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 10: You don't realize the how tragic is, do you know 292 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 10: what I mean? You don't think like we heard about 293 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 10: the little boy who was left in the court. You 294 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 10: don't sort of think about the how it affects, you know, 295 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 10: so many people. But oh, there was talk about it 296 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 10: for months and months and months, like in Collinwood with 297 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 10: waiting for the killer to be caught. 298 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: Here's Helen Thomas again. 299 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: It was it was such a brutal, vicious double murder. 300 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: I think that was what really people were talking about. 301 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 3: That was so shocking. That was you know what people 302 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 3: certainly that I was talking to, that was in front 303 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: of their mind. And how could someone do this to 304 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 3: two young women with a young child in a bedroom, 305 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: you know, in their own home. They're not safe. 306 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: By the time alone Stevens and Janet Powell had discovered 307 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: Susan and Suzanne's bodies on January thirteen, nineteen seventy seven. 308 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: No one had seen or heard from them for several days. 309 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: You heard in a previous episode about how the Susan 310 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: had dinner at home with Susan's brother Martin and his 311 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: girlfriend Vicki on the tenth But what was everyone doing 312 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 1: before that? 313 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 3: And after? 314 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: Who had the girls been seeing and talking to? When 315 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: was the last time anyone saw them or heard them alive? 316 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the night before the murders. At 317 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 1: Perry Crumblus's committal just a few months ago, Barry Woodard 318 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: says that he and Suzanne, along with his brother Henry, 319 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: enjoyed dinner at his sister's place in Northcote. The catch 320 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: up lasts well into the night before Barry drives Suzanne 321 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: home back to Easy Street about twelve thirty am. According 322 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: to Barry, the night had gone well. He drops Susanne 323 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: off and she invites him inside one four seven for 324 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee. Suzanne asks Barry if he liked 325 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: to stay over, but because this is the seventies and 326 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: mobile phones aren't around just yet, he says he can't 327 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: because he's expecting a call from work back at his 328 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: sister's house about a job the next morning. Meanwhile, next door, 329 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: the Sue's neighbor Janet Powell gets home late from work 330 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: at her Carlton restaurant, Casanova. Janet's got her boyfriend Lorenzo 331 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: with her and her housemaid Alona Stephens, is already home 332 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: with her sister in law. While they're all hanging out, 333 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: Alona hears Suzanne and Susan from over the fence. They 334 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: sound like they're having a pretty good time, Alona says. 335 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: She hears one of the sus say to the other 336 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: that they'd better stop drinking alone. On jokingly yells over 337 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: the fence. 338 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 5: You're both alcoholics. 339 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 1: The next day, on January tenth, it's business as usual 340 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: throughout the afternoon and into the evening. Susan's brother, Martin 341 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: and his girlfriend Vicki arrive at Easy Street for dinner 342 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: between seven fifty and eight twenty five pm. Martin also 343 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: spends some time fixing a broken stereo while Suzanne puts 344 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: baby Greg to bed. At about eight fifteen or eight 345 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: twenty pm, someone we're not sure who called the house 346 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: wanting to speak to Suzanne. After that, the girls put 347 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: on the Sullivans. 348 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 7: Oh boys always dressing up. 349 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: Oh this is different this time, I'm really doing something. 350 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 9: I'm going to be Trained as a fighting Unit. 351 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: I hit, Australian drama that aired for the first time 352 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: in November nineteen seventy six. Martin and Vicki arranged to 353 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: return to Easy Street on January eighteenth, before leaving at 354 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: around nine o'clock. While the sus were having dinner at 355 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,239 Speaker 1: Easy Street, Suzanne's new boyfriend, Barry Woodard, wraps up an 356 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: evening drinking at the Albion Charles Hotel on Saint George's 357 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: Road in Northcote with his brother Henry. After the pub, 358 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: Barry and Henry go back to their sister, Margaret Chilcott's 359 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: house in Northcote for a late dinner at about ten 360 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: thirty pm. Later, the brothers say they both spend the 361 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: night at their sisters. According to Barry, it's a full 362 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: house that night. Margaret, Barry's sister says Barry went to 363 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: bed at around midnight and she her husband Max, four children, Barry, 364 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: Henry and Helen, a friend of Henry's, all sleep in 365 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: different rooms throughout the house. Meanwhile, back at Easy Street, 366 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: Janet Powell returns home from another late shift from the 367 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: Casanova restaurant at about twelve twenty am. Alona is already 368 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: there with her Truth newspaper colleague John Grant, a crime reporter. 369 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: Aloner and Grant had been out to dinner after first 370 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: meeting at Easy Street when a loner finished work. The 371 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: trio stayed up late, hanging out and drinking until about 372 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: two am. And remember Perry, the then seventeen year old, 373 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: said he was visiting a friend of his at one 374 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: six seven Keel Street in Collingwood, just two blocks away 375 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: from Easy Street. The morning of Tuesday, January eleven begins 376 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: like any other. A Loner and John go to work. 377 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: Janet runs errands throughout the day. Barry Woodard leaves his 378 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: sister Margaret's place to drive his other sister, Sheryl, back 379 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 1: to Yay in Central Victoria, and asks Margaret to give 380 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: Suzanne a call for him that afternoon. Margaret rings Suzanne 381 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: that same day, but the call rings out at about 382 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: five o'clock. The Sue's next door neighbor, Janet Powell, spots 383 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: their dog Benji loose on the street, but when they 384 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: repeatedly come back to one four seven Easy Street to 385 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: return him to the girls, there's no answer at the door, 386 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: so they pin a note to the door to let 387 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: them know that Benji was safe at their place whenever 388 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: they were ready to collect him. 389 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 5: Dear sus we have your dog, which was wandering around 390 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 5: the street. You are obviously not home, so give us 391 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 5: a yell and we will return him to you promptly. 392 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 5: Regards Alona and Janet. 393 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: Alona hears a phone ring out inside the girl's house 394 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: later that night, but there's still no sign of either 395 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: of the SIUs and she wasn't the only one trying 396 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: to get hold of them. 397 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 7: One of the things was that several people had visited 398 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 7: the house just before the murders and after the murders. 399 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 7: Would you believe without realizing after the murders that they 400 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 7: were dead bodies inside and a live child, little Gregory inside. 401 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,400 Speaker 7: One of them was Ross Hammond. He was a salesman 402 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 7: who'd met Susan Bartlett not long before the murders, days 403 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 7: or weeks whatever. I think they'd met at the Go 404 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 7: Inn in South Ara, not that that matters where they 405 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 7: met at all, but they'd met and got friendly and 406 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 7: he was coming around to see her. Lucky for Ross Hammond, 407 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 7: he was driven there by a friend, a male friend 408 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 7: for whatever reason, together that night in the car and 409 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 7: he said I'm going to stop here and run in 410 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 7: and see this girl I've met. Susan's there, and I 411 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 7: think he climbed through her bedroom window because it was 412 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 7: unlatched and he might have been open and he got in, 413 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 7: looked around, and I think he left a note written 414 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 7: on something like a cigarette packet or match packet or whatever, 415 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 7: left it on the kitchen table or out near there somewhere, 416 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 7: so not up at the front of the house. And 417 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 7: of course, as we know, these little old terrace houses 418 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 7: were a bit like what Americans called shotgun shacks. They've 419 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 7: got they're long and skinny, and you can be down 420 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 7: the back towards the kitchen end of the building and 421 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 7: the bathroom end of the building without seeing what's going 422 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 7: on in the bedrooms. And if you get into the 423 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 7: the second bedroom or third bedroom, if there's three, and 424 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 7: you head towards the kitchen, you don't see what's up 425 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 7: at the front of the house, particularly if it's dark. 426 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 7: And I think that is what happened with him, and 427 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 7: also happened with Barry Woodard and his brother. They were 428 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 7: the shearers from the Rower area who knew Susan Armstrong, 429 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 7: and in fact, I think Barry had been out with 430 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 7: Susan or you know, he was sort of thought he 431 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 7: thought he was a boyfriend or something. You know, they'd 432 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 7: been out together at some stage, and they were from 433 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 7: the same area up and around the Banella area and 434 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 7: knew that knew at least as an armstrong. They dropped 435 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 7: in and similar story. I think they came in one 436 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 7: or both came in through the kitchen, called out, is 437 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 7: no one there? Polite country boys. Didn't walk up the 438 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 7: hall to see if anybody's home. Why would you, you know, 439 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 7: not your business, No one's answering. So obviously didn't hear 440 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 7: little Gregory crying or anything he made. It might have 441 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 7: been asleep at that stage. And they left the same 442 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 7: way they came out the kitchen door and out the 443 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 7: back gate, and they left. 444 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: And the next morning is when Alona wakes up to 445 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 1: baby Gregory's cries coming through the shared wall before she 446 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: and Janet discovered the Sioux's bodies. The brutal attack on 447 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: each of the women sparked several theories among investigators. Homicide 448 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 1: detective Colin fav who had arrived at the scene on 449 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: the morning when the women were found, believe they had 450 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: been dead for several days when he saw Susanne Armstrong 451 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: lying on her bedroom floor with her legs spread apart. 452 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: It led him to consider whether she'd also been sexually assaulted. 453 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 1: Former homicide detective PETERH. Hiscock also believed that the sues 454 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: had been dead for some time, and when Detective Adrian 455 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: Donahue inspected the crime scene, he thought Sue Armstrong appeared 456 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: to have been sexually assaulted too, and possibly after she died, 457 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: due to her lying on her back with her legs 458 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: spread open. It's important to mention here that Perry Carumlus 459 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: was initially charged with raping Suzanne Armstrong in addition to 460 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: killing the women, that that charge has been thrown out. 461 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: He's now only facing the two murder charges. The sue's 462 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: house itself offered its own potential leads. There didn't appear 463 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: to be any signs of forced entry at the front 464 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: and back doors or near any windows. Did the sus 465 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: unknowningly welcomed their killer into their home? Was it someone 466 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: they knew or a total stranger? Had someone snuck in 467 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: through an open door or window? Barry Woodard and Ross 468 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: Hammond had both gained entry into the house when they 469 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 1: were trying to find the sus without any problems, but 470 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: they both made their presence known in the home by 471 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: leaving noes had the killer left any trace behind. Detectives 472 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,719 Speaker 1: described the overall state of the house, particularly the kitchen, 473 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: as neat and tidy. Detective Donahue also didn't notice any 474 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: signs of a struggle in either of the women's bedrooms. 475 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,479 Speaker 1: Investigators did spot a large footprint close to a window 476 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: in Sue Bartlett's bedroom, and some of the women's bed 477 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,959 Speaker 1: sheets appeared to be rumpled, but even with a growing 478 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: collection of DNA samples and a list of visitors to 479 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: Easy Street, there was still no sign of a potential 480 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: murder weapon. That potential lead would be up to one young, 481 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 1: up and humming police officer whose chance encounter with a 482 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: teenage Perry Crumblist may have uncovered a new lead for investigators. 483 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: In the next episode of Hunting Justice. 484 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: There would not be a day or a night where 485 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 3: you wouldn't thinking about what had happened. In this case, 486 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 3: where was Julie, Where is Julie's body? And in the 487 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: case of the two suites, why did this happen? Why 488 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 3: did you know? Why did my friend, why did my 489 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 3: sister Why did my daughter have to die like this? 490 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 7: He said? 491 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 11: Okay, buddy, can you open the boot the state of 492 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 11: prosurgeon's boot. There in the boot is a knife and 493 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 11: a nice new sheath knife. 494 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: This show is hosted, researched, and written by me Olivia Jenkins. 495 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: It was produced, edited, and written by John ty Burton. 496 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: Our video producer is Daniel Coates. Our graphic designers are 497 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: Kirko Dwyer and Sean Lee. Jeordie Atkinson is our executive 498 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: produce Sir. 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