Speaker 1: From the skying in Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 3: Well, welcome to Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 4: James Macpherson here in Paul's man k for the first time,
Speaker 4: which I'm very excited to be keeping the seat warm
Speaker 4: for Paul who returns tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Big show coming up.
Speaker 4: Bronwin Bishop and Stephen Conroy join us as Albanezy fails
Speaker 4: to meet the moment yet again. A staff member for
Speaker 4: Marine Ferouki has been counseled for suggesting the fire bombing
Speaker 4: of the Melbourne Synagogue may have been a quote Zionist
Speaker 4: false flag in Labour's latest desperate cash splash to help
Speaker 4: their falling poll numbers. Now it's always a risk to
Speaker 4: start off with a joke, but here we go. One day,
Speaker 4: the UN Secretary General proposed that, in the interest of
Speaker 4: global peace and harmony, the world's soccer players should all
Speaker 4: come together and form one United Nations global soccer team.
Speaker 4: Everyone loved the idea until someone asked the obvious question,
Speaker 4: A global soccer team. That's fantastic, but who are we
Speaker 4: going to play again?
Speaker 3: Well, the UN.
Speaker 4: Secretary General said, that's easy. We'll play against Israel. Of course,
Speaker 4: it's an old joke that contains a grain of truth,
Speaker 4: although it's starting to look more like the whole loaf,
Speaker 4: isn't it. Our government, motivated as always by political advantage
Speaker 4: rather than by principle, has played a dangerous game with
Speaker 4: anti Semitism in these past fourteen months.
Speaker 3: They've reacted to every instance of.
Speaker 4: Due hatred with one eye on how their response will
Speaker 4: play in the marginal seats of western Sydney where they're
Speaker 4: anxious not to lose Muslim votes, but.
Speaker 3: In trying to walk both sides of the fence.
Speaker 4: For more than a year, they've refused to condemn anti
Speaker 4: Semitism without also condemning Islamophobia, even when there's no instance
Speaker 4: of Islamophobia to point to. All they've done is fan
Speaker 4: the flames of anti Semitism, and now we've got spot fires,
Speaker 4: as in literal fires, pretty much everywhere. With the country
Speaker 4: still reeling from the fire bombing of a Melbourne synagogue
Speaker 4: in the early hours of Friday, we woke to yet
Speaker 4: another anti Semitic attack this morning around one am. Two
Speaker 4: masked men drove a stolen car to Sydney's eastern suburbs,
Speaker 4: where they set it on fire and painted anti israel
Speaker 4: slogans across the walls of homes. I should point out
Speaker 4: how dumb these idiots are. They can't even spell Israel.
Speaker 4: What hope they understand the geopolitical situation in the Middle East.
Speaker 4: New South Wales Premier Chris Mins, I have to say,
Speaker 4: is proving himself to be a very unusual labor leader.
Speaker 4: He canceled all other appointments this morning and went straight
Speaker 4: to the scene of the attack. Now, of course, if
Speaker 4: he'd been the Prime Minister, he would have played a
Speaker 4: round of Tennyson shown up next week.
Speaker 5: What is obviously a shocking morning in Sydney's East as
Speaker 5: we respond to what we regard as a hate crime
Speaker 5: on the streets of Sydney, a violent act of destruction,
Speaker 5: clearly anti Semitic, designed to strike fear into the community
Speaker 5: that lives in this part of Sydney. I want to
Speaker 5: make it clear that this is antithetical and completely opposite
Speaker 5: to the kind of community and society that we one
Speaker 5: in Australia in twenty twenty four. This violent act will
Speaker 5: be met with the full response from New South Wales.
Speaker 4: Please a full response from New South Wales police. I
Speaker 4: like Chris Mins, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Speaker 4: What chance police will deal with today's episode of anti
Speaker 4: Semitism when they haven't.
Speaker 3: Yet dealt with Mondays.
Speaker 4: I want to remind you, because things move so fast
Speaker 4: at the moment, that less than forty eight hours after
Speaker 4: the terror attack on the Rippon Lee Synagogue, dozens of
Speaker 4: men flooded onto the streets of Canterbury Bankstown, citing Mohammed's
Speaker 4: slaughter of Jews in the seventh century and chanting, O Jews,
Speaker 4: the army of Mohammad will return, and police.
Speaker 3: Are still investigate.
Speaker 4: I'm still waiting for police to do something about that
Speaker 4: sheik who gloated on the streets of Sydney that the
Speaker 4: Hamas slaughter of twelve hundred.
Speaker 3: Israelis was a day of victory.
Speaker 4: Remember that guy, How is celebrating the murder of civilians
Speaker 4: by terrorists, not showing support for a terrorist organization. How
Speaker 4: is not not incitement to even more violence. There's more
Speaker 4: chance of getting you two hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 4: power bill reduction than seeing anyone charged or deported for
Speaker 4: incitement right now, I know it, You know it. But
Speaker 4: here's the most telling thing. Pro Palestinian supporters. They know
Speaker 4: it as well. And if you want proof of how
Speaker 4: little respect there is for the law right now. There
Speaker 4: was a small but very telling incident this morning. While
Speaker 4: New South Wales Police Commissioner Karen Webb was in the
Speaker 4: middle of talking about the latest attack on Jews, a
Speaker 4: passerby interrupted with a shout of free Palestine.
Speaker 5: High visible police presence were actually we're actually taking.
Speaker 4: I can't believe that you've got the Commissioner of Police,
Speaker 4: you've got the New Southwales Premier standing right behind her,
Speaker 4: and a passer by feels at liberty while they're talking
Speaker 4: about attack on Jews. A passer by feels the liberty
Speaker 4: to yell out free Palestine. That's a pretty big middle
Speaker 4: finger to the police commissioner and the Premier. Pro Palestinian
Speaker 4: protesters don't respect the police clearly, but it's because the
Speaker 4: police don't do anything. And when police do something, well,
Speaker 4: it's more likely that they're doing something to Jews. Just
Speaker 4: last week, pro Palestinian protesters rallied against Sydney's Great Synagogue,
Speaker 4: trapping worshipers inside for almost three hours. Police left the
Speaker 4: protesters in place, but do you know who they moved on?
Speaker 4: A Jew who dared to waive an Israeli flag.
Speaker 6: Go go, Wait, you're going way and you go away.
Speaker 6: I would I think pagan idea.
Speaker 4: No I need to be here, The police officer tells
Speaker 4: the Jewish person, You've got no right to be here,
Speaker 4: while one hundred or so protesters are barricading everybody inside
Speaker 4: the synagogue. You just can't make this stuff up. Now
Speaker 4: pro Palestinian protesters they take note of these things, and
Speaker 4: they become even more emboldened. Still, at least Chris Mins
Speaker 4: is calling things out, even if not much is being done.
Speaker 4: He was asked whether this morning's graffiti kill Israel was
Speaker 4: anti Semitic or fair commentary on the political situation in
Speaker 4: the Middle East.
Speaker 5: I think that we would be unnecessarily splitting hairs now
Speaker 5: if we suggested this was not anti semitic, and I
Speaker 5: think doing a disservice to our other responsibility here and
Speaker 5: standing up unambiguously to these forms of racism and violence.
Speaker 5: If we start splitting hairs this morning and I fronted
Speaker 5: a press conference where I said, oh, look, I'm not
Speaker 5: sure whether this was anti semitic when blind Freddie can
Speaker 5: see that it was. I think that would send the
Speaker 5: exact opposite message that this press conference is meant to gave.
Speaker 4: A well if only blind Freddie worked for the ABC. Instead,
Speaker 4: they had comedian Chris Taylor hosting Sydney Radio this morning.
Speaker 7: Just on your wording in your statements this morning, what's
Speaker 7: your reasoning for branding the attack anti Semitic and not
Speaker 7: anti Israel? How do you make a distinction.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think we would have to be willful
Speaker 5: at this point to turn a blind eye to that
Speaker 5: sequence of event and suggested to anything other than an
Speaker 5: anti Semitic attack.
Speaker 7: So if you're calling it anti Semitic rather than just a
Speaker 7: political anti Israel statement, what you've been in public life
Speaker 7: a long time, would you say anti Semitism is at
Speaker 7: an all time high in your experience?
Speaker 3: Yes, I would.
Speaker 4: Seriously, the big question for Federal Labor is whether or
Speaker 4: not they've been enabling anti Semitism with their anti Israel
Speaker 4: foreign policy and inflammatory rhetoric against the world's only Jewish state.
Speaker 4: I'm still shaking my head in amazement that while Anthony
Speaker 4: Albanezi was at the fire bomb synagogue desperately trying to
Speaker 4: assure Jewish Australians that the government has their back. That's
Speaker 4: Elbow's catchphrase for the upcoming election. We've got your back.
Speaker 4: While he's saying that to Jewish people in Melbourne, his
Speaker 4: Foreign Minister Penny Wong is in South Australia, lumping the
Speaker 4: democratic State of Israel in the same basket of deplorables
Speaker 4: as communist China and authoritarian Russia.
Speaker 8: We expect Russia to by international law and end it's
Speaker 8: illegal and full scale war on Ukraine. We expect China
Speaker 8: to buy by international legal decisions in the South China
Speaker 8: see we expect Israel by by international law.
Speaker 4: Now Pennywong claims that's not anti Semitic, but to steal
Speaker 4: a line from the New South Wales premiere, Blind Freddie
Speaker 4: can see that it's pretty disingenuous to put Israel in
Speaker 4: a police line up with Russia and China and claim
Speaker 4: you can't tell the difference. The PM was asked today
Speaker 4: whether he supported Penny Wong's comments, and Albanezy said that
Speaker 4: Senator Wong quote knows about racism, and as someone who
Speaker 4: quote understands very firsthand the damage racism can cause, it's.
Speaker 3: A curious thing to say.
Speaker 4: Does he mean that because Senator Wong is Asian, it's
Speaker 4: impossible for her to be biased against Israel. It doesn't
Speaker 4: even make sense. Chris Mins isn't so stupid. When asked
Speaker 4: about Senator Wong's incendiary comments, he replied like this.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to on your program this morning the
Speaker 5: democratic state of Israel with the actions of Russia. I'm
Speaker 5: not going to do that, and I don't believe that's
Speaker 5: the case.
Speaker 4: It's a pity that Chris Mens can't be the Premier,
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister and the foreign minister. And while we're
Speaker 4: at it, let's give him Tony Burke's job as well.
Speaker 2: We don't have a position as a nation that international
Speaker 2: law is a pick and choos thing.
Speaker 9: It's something that should be abided by by every nation
Speaker 9: in the world.
Speaker 4: Oh does Tony Burke think we're idiots? How many times
Speaker 4: have you heard the Albanesi government call out China.
Speaker 10: I've said a number of times that will cooperate with
Speaker 10: China where we can, we'll disagree where we muster.
Speaker 4: That's about as tough as our government gets on a communist.
Speaker 3: Nation that hit us with twenty billion.
Speaker 4: Dollars worth of trade sanctions for daring to question the
Speaker 4: origin of COVID, and that has regularly harassed our air
Speaker 4: force and our navy while hugging China. Federal Labor demands
Speaker 4: Israel and negotiate a ceasefire with terrorists, as if the
Speaker 4: State of Israel and Hamas are equals, and our government
Speaker 4: supports an international court ruling which names the democratically elected
Speaker 4: leader of Israel, Benjamin Netanya, who as a war criminal,
Speaker 4: alongside the now de ceased leader of Hamas, as if
Speaker 4: they're peas in a pod.
Speaker 8: It is not anti Semitic to expect that Israel should
Speaker 8: comply with international law that applies to all countries.
Speaker 3: Give me a break.
Speaker 4: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma stated the obvious about Labour's anti
Speaker 4: Israel foreign policy.
Speaker 11: We've seen them continually use, including Penny Wong in recent days,
Speaker 11: inflammatory language about Israel and demonization of Israel, which is
Speaker 11: completely at odds with our foreign policy, completely disproportionate, but
Speaker 11: has the effect of basically green lighting some of the
Speaker 11: violence and hatred we're seeing on our streets.
Speaker 4: Well, the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi toured Sydney's Holocaust Museum
Speaker 4: this afternoon, and I must say he was looking weary
Speaker 4: and exasperated. In other words, he looked like the rest
Speaker 4: of us feel. He was asked if the level of
Speaker 4: anti Semitism had reached crisis level.
Speaker 3: Have A listened to his response, This is horrific. It
Speaker 3: is something that.
Speaker 10: Is I think quite shocking. The fact that you've had
Speaker 10: two incidents.
Speaker 4: Here, the fact that we've had two incidents Prime Minister,
Speaker 4: We've had fourteen months worth of incidents.
Speaker 10: Holocaust survivors came to Australia because we are a tolerant
Speaker 10: country and we need a whole of government, a whole
Speaker 10: of society as well, effort to make sure this is
Speaker 10: stamped out.
Speaker 3: We need a whole of government effort.
Speaker 4: Well, mister Albanezi, you're the leader of the whole of
Speaker 4: the government, so you know anytime you like. Well, let's
Speaker 4: get into the debate now with former Speaker of the
Speaker 4: House Bromwin Bishop who joins me on set, and former
Speaker 4: Labor Senator Stephen Conroy.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's possible to overstate just how worried
Speaker 4: Jewish Australians are right now at the level of animosity
Speaker 4: being shown towards them on what seems like a daily basis.
Speaker 4: Have A listened to my Sky News colleague Kenny Heatley
Speaker 4: chatting with a Jewish Australian in Sydney's East this morning.
Speaker 12: There's a very big difference between what's happening here now
Speaker 12: and what happened in the thirties nineteen thirties in Europe.
Speaker 12: But this is the start of what could end up
Speaker 12: in a crazy situation.
Speaker 4: So obviously the pressure now, as I said, is on
Speaker 4: the Albanezy government to show some leadership, and bizarrely, at
Speaker 4: a press conference today he chose to wheel out this line.
Speaker 10: On Saturday, I visited a synagogue, went to my first
Speaker 10: bar mitzvah there in Perth.
Speaker 4: Brom Win Anthony Albaneze he went to his first bar mitzvah.
Speaker 4: Is this supposed to make Jewish people feel like he's
Speaker 4: got their back.
Speaker 13: He's more likely to do them back. I mean, seriously,
Speaker 13: the man has no leadership at all. And when I
Speaker 13: saw the vision of him in Melbourne with those people
Speaker 13: at that synagogue, I looked at his face, a lesson
Speaker 13: to the tone of his voice, and I've never seen
Speaker 13: a man sending signals of I don't want to be
Speaker 13: here at all. I mean, he and his government, of
Speaker 13: which Penny Wong is taking a lead in this matter,
Speaker 13: are so have let by accident or design, and I
Speaker 13: suspect design have let the abomination, and that's what it is,
Speaker 13: an abomination of anti Semitism almost be normalized. Yes, we
Speaker 13: have Chrismins coming up with wonderful words, but you pointed
Speaker 13: out quite brightly, as I have done, also that that
Speaker 13: police minister has no respect for what Mens is saying
Speaker 13: and there is no action accordingly from the police. So
Speaker 13: he has worked out, of course, that the election is
Speaker 13: getting closer and closer. He's realized that he's under attack,
Speaker 13: but his disgraceful behavior with regard to the handling of
Speaker 13: the situation, and he feels, oh dear, I better try
Speaker 13: and ameliorate that. So he had to go at that,
Speaker 13: went to Melbourne, went to the Jewish Museum, had a
Speaker 13: press conference there, and then along the way.
Speaker 4: He actually didn't have a press conference there. He made
Speaker 4: a very brief statement then then left without taking any questions.
Speaker 13: Quite right, thank you for the correction. But also we've
Speaker 13: just put out an announcement that he's going to spend
Speaker 13: another four four, one hundred and fifty million dollars on childcare.
Speaker 13: As to trying to divert the attention, so let's try
Speaker 13: and make an appeasement with the Jewish community and let's
Speaker 13: changed the topic to get to childcare. It is so
Speaker 13: pathetic to watch a man who has no backbone at all.
Speaker 3: Steven, you're you're a labor man.
Speaker 4: Surely you're tearing your hair out albans is just I mean,
Speaker 4: it's misstep after misstep, isn't it.
Speaker 9: Well, I think you've you've unfortunately just left out a
Speaker 9: few key elements of the Prime Minister's response. Over the
Speaker 9: last couple of weeks. In particular, there's been a substantial
Speaker 9: increase in funding for protections at Jewish schools, a substantial
Speaker 9: increase in funding now for protection of synagogues. We've seen
Speaker 9: the establishment of the police task Force into antisemitism. We've
Speaker 9: had a creation of a suggestion an advisor, an advisor
Speaker 9: for anti Semitism and Jillian Siegel. So I think, unfortunately,
Speaker 9: the way you've the way you've described the circumstance is.
Speaker 1: Not just a full set of facts.
Speaker 9: I mean, yes, there are things that are disappointed I
Speaker 9: don't and never have supported. I'm going to argued against
Speaker 9: the recognition votes on the floor of the un are
Speaker 9: not positions I've advocated or supported in the past. And
Speaker 9: I don't fully support all of them at the moment,
Speaker 9: but I think it's just a little unfair to try
Speaker 9: and say, oh, here's this, is this is this without
Speaker 9: putting the other things on the table. When your view
Speaker 9: is to actually understand that ameliorate.
Speaker 13: It, doesn't ameliorate it at all. I mean, look at
Speaker 13: this lovely photograph of Albanisi with his friend Corbyn, and
Speaker 13: it's not a Loane photograph. There are lots of photographs
Speaker 13: of them together. This moment called.
Speaker 9: Photographs of you, Malcolm Turnbull, that there are photographs.
Speaker 13: Leadership anti semitic. I don't think you are, are you?
Speaker 13: The point I'm making is that Corbyn is a disgraceful
Speaker 13: anti Semitic and here is Albanisi with him, and there
Speaker 13: are lots of photographs with him. The point I.
Speaker 9: Malcolm or Turnbull, No, everyone's got embarrassing photos. I've probably
Speaker 9: even got one with you, brom when that people might
Speaker 9: want to make fun of. So I just don't think.
Speaker 13: Hold, I don't, I don't before tactics are going to
Speaker 13: work getting away from the fact of the matter that
Speaker 13: the Prime Minister is a week leader who has has
Speaker 13: allowed anti Semitism to become normalized where people are no
Speaker 13: longer shocked by many of the things that are going on.
Speaker 13: And that's an appalling situation to get I think, and
Speaker 13: that's the why it was in Germany in the early
Speaker 13: nineteen thirties. That's exacutive.
Speaker 9: Australian creeps, absolutely discremental, absolutely disgusted with what is going
Speaker 9: on at the moment.
Speaker 3: And then why why.
Speaker 13: Are we continuing to see people crying from the river
Speaker 13: to the sea if they're so disgusted, Because that means
Speaker 13: kill the Jews and give us.
Speaker 9: The average Australia. I know, I know exactly Australian.
Speaker 13: Don't count, which Australians don't count.
Speaker 9: Sorry to unwind the bun, and wind the bun, it's
Speaker 9: it's starting to affect you. Just take the pressure off
Speaker 9: the bun because it's starting to affect you that you're actually, don't.
Speaker 3: Try making sense, I make making sense.
Speaker 9: I said, I'm trying to actually agree with you that
Speaker 9: the average I'm not defending the indefensible average Australian out
Speaker 9: there is disgusted, and I agree with them. I've said consistent.
Speaker 9: Have they permitted anyone who wants to march, anyone who
Speaker 9: wants to march in rallies where from the river to
Speaker 9: the sea is being chanted. Needs to understand front and
Speaker 9: center that is about the destruction of the state of
Speaker 9: Israel and cannot be tolerated and no absolutely consistent.
Speaker 4: Let me let me jump in here, Stephen, because one
Speaker 4: of the things that I've noticed over the last couple
Speaker 4: of days, in fact for longer than that, is Chris
Speaker 4: Min's the new South Wales premieer. He does seem to
Speaker 4: provide be providing decent leadership. You mentioned some of the
Speaker 4: things that Anthony alban Eazy has and it's true he's
Speaker 4: done some things, but I mean he called it a
Speaker 4: terrorist attack after Peter Dutton had done so. He turned
Speaker 4: up at the Melbourne Synagogue after Peter Dutton had done so.
Speaker 4: He announced a task force after Peter Dutton had done so.
Speaker 4: Chris Mins is making the Prime Minister look pretty average,
Speaker 4: isn't he.
Speaker 10: Look?
Speaker 9: I think Chris Mins is an outstanding premier and I
Speaker 9: congratulated him wholeheartedly in his responses. I think in that
Speaker 9: very first incident at the Sydney Opera House, the government
Speaker 9: was just caught you know, I won't say flat footed,
Speaker 9: but they were just caught by surprise. I think Mins
Speaker 9: since that day has made it his mission to send
Speaker 9: a very strong message across New South Wales that that
Speaker 9: sort of behavior is not acceptable and won't be accepted
Speaker 9: by the government. There's been a raft of changes, it's
Speaker 9: a legislation, some at federal some at state level.
Speaker 4: And I think the problem, Ice Stevens, we just haven't
Speaker 4: seen that sort of rolling intimidation. We haven't seen that
Speaker 4: sort of strength of leadership from Anthony Albanese and I
Speaker 4: think that's what everybody is reacting to.
Speaker 3: I want to I want to be on to Penny Wong.
Speaker 4: We played some of her comments earlier about you know,
Speaker 4: we expect China to obey international law, Russia to abe
Speaker 4: international law, and then she puts Israel in the same lineup.
Speaker 4: Do you think she should retract that comparison, Stephen.
Speaker 9: I think if you and it was interesting. I hadn't
Speaker 9: seen the full clip before. I think it was interesting
Speaker 9: that she put context around those quotes, and in general
Speaker 9: the reporting has not given it the full context. Okay,
Speaker 9: so that's the first point. Secondly, the I think at
Speaker 9: this time it was an unfortunate bringing together of the
Speaker 9: three countries. There is no question Israel is a democratic country,
Speaker 9: but as has been said consistently for fourteen months, it
Speaker 9: has to respect international law and how it conducts it's
Speaker 9: dealing with the trocity that was committed against it, and
Speaker 9: that is that is a not a remarkable statement. I
Speaker 9: think when you put it next to the Russian invasion,
Speaker 9: when you put it next to the Chinese flatting of
Speaker 9: international law, I think that's you know, just the timing
Speaker 9: of that was not, you know, not ideal. But in
Speaker 9: terms of a statement that says we expect Israel to
Speaker 9: respect the international laws.
Speaker 13: Stephen, about the see I take it, which we should
Speaker 13: never have.
Speaker 9: I'm talking about how they conduct well, yes, well, what
Speaker 9: I'm talking about is how they conduct their legitimate retaliation
Speaker 9: against the Hamas Hezbala.
Speaker 3: Stephen, You're right, right, just we expect it's legitimate.
Speaker 4: You're right that we expect Israel to obey international law,
Speaker 4: as we expect every nation. But for her to say
Speaker 4: that in the context of Russia and China while Anthony
Speaker 4: Albanezi is responding to a terror attack against Jews in Melbourne,
Speaker 4: I mean, you're right, the timing was very unfortunate. Broman, Bishop,
Speaker 4: let me ask you this, do you think those comments
Speaker 4: are having an effect on what's happening domestically, the government's
Speaker 4: comments about what's happening in the Middle East? Are they
Speaker 4: giving a green light, as Senator Sharma said to protesters here,
Speaker 4: to go hard against Australian.
Speaker 13: Jess in a word, absolutely yes, and why would be?
Speaker 13: Why would be should we be surprised at her words?
Speaker 13: After all, in the vote in the United Nations, which
Speaker 13: totally supports Palestine and his auntie Israeli, she voted against
Speaker 13: ally the United States and voted with China and Russia.
Speaker 13: So why would we be surprised if she has them
Speaker 13: on her mind.
Speaker 4: Well, if Labour's response to what's happening makes you shake
Speaker 4: your head, the Greens response will make your head come
Speaker 4: right off. A staff member for Marine Ferruki has been
Speaker 4: counseled for suggesting the fire bombing of the Melbourne Synagogue
Speaker 4: may have been a Zionist false flag and that Jews
Speaker 4: have quote done this before. Now, Stephen, this is Ferruki's
Speaker 4: chief of staff who says now that the post you know. Rather,
Speaker 4: Ferruki says that her chief of staff post was inappropriate
Speaker 4: and ill advised, But I mean the Green's attitude towards
Speaker 4: Israel has been shocking all along, hasn't it.
Speaker 9: Absolutely the Greens have become a deeply anti Semitic party.
Speaker 9: They should be called out for it every single day.
Speaker 9: Their positions that they've been advocating are just vile and
Speaker 9: it's no shock to see that this sort of language
Speaker 9: has been emanating from the Green's political party. They are vile.
Speaker 9: They should be you know, people should vote against them
Speaker 9: en masks. Their support is falling. They've taken a bath
Speaker 9: in Brisbane, They've taken a bath in the Act, they've
Speaker 9: taken a bath in Victoria. So I think their electoral
Speaker 9: come up and is coming their way. Average Australians reject
Speaker 9: this sort of behavior by the Greens, and anybody else
Speaker 9: on the left of politics who wants to try and
Speaker 9: think that this is okay, they're going to suffer the
Speaker 9: same fate.
Speaker 13: Then you and I are on the same same message
Speaker 13: absolutely with regard to the Greens. So why will the
Speaker 13: leb trying to expl so why will the Labor Party.
Speaker 9: Anyone in the left of politics, why will you.
Speaker 4: Accept their preference anti about this?
Speaker 9: It's a secret ballot, as you have you kept informing me,
Speaker 9: it's a secret ballot.
Speaker 3: No one really knows, Steve, And.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about this because Anthony Abbaneze
Speaker 4: was asked about it today at the press conference. Will
Speaker 4: Labor swat preferences with the Greens? And he said, well,
Speaker 4: that's not my decision, that's a party decision.
Speaker 3: If the Greens are so bad.
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't the Prime Minister just come out and say
Speaker 4: we will never deal with them. They are beyond reprehensible,
Speaker 4: as you've just said, So why wouln't the Prime Minister
Speaker 4: say no preferences for the Greens at all?
Speaker 9: I think it's increasingly a difficult decision for Labor about
Speaker 9: whether it can preference the Greens when you see the
Speaker 9: sort of language, the sort.
Speaker 3: Of wouldn't it be any decision.
Speaker 9: And inciting and I think there is a challenge. And
Speaker 9: let's not forget Adam Bantt is only in Parliament because
Speaker 9: Victorian Liberal Party gave him preferences head of Labor. And
Speaker 9: you've seen other Greens candidates being elected on Labor on
Speaker 9: Green sorry on Liberal Party vote, so nobody is pure
Speaker 9: in this particular argument. I myself think it's getting increasingly
Speaker 9: hard to advocate inside the party that we should be
Speaker 9: preferencing the grands. I think there'll be a very very
Speaker 9: significant debate inside the Labor Party about that.
Speaker 3: Let's move on in the time we've got it.
Speaker 4: I want to get to interest rates because I know
Speaker 4: a lot of people watching will be sweating on the
Speaker 4: RBA cutting rates at some point. Now they've kept interest
Speaker 4: rates on hold, but Michelle Bullock's presser did provide just
Speaker 4: enough encouragement for people to imagine that a rate cut
Speaker 4: might not be that far away. The board will meet
Speaker 4: again in February, so Anthony Albanzi might get one before
Speaker 4: the election. But from when I wanted to ask you,
Speaker 4: one rate cut, do you think that will be enough
Speaker 4: to change people's minds on how they will vote, or
Speaker 4: does Anthony Albenze need a lot more than that to
Speaker 4: not be a one term wonder Well, I.
Speaker 13: Think there are two points to make.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 13: I don't think there will be a cut before the election.
Speaker 13: It could be one if he continues to push it out.
Speaker 13: May maybe during an election.
Speaker 4: The markets are saying it's a fifty to fifty chance
Speaker 4: now of a cut between the mark now and mate.
Speaker 13: Mark's been the markets or commentators who operate in the
Speaker 13: baking field and be saying that for a long time
Speaker 13: and it hasn't happened. So I think it's unlikely it'll
Speaker 13: happen in February. And I think that one cut isn't
Speaker 13: going to make all that much difference. People are hurting
Speaker 13: and hurting badly. They're on the tipping point with mortgages.
Speaker 13: They can't afford the groceries. They can't afford their electricity bill,
Speaker 13: which is the main thing that is forcing everything up.
Speaker 13: I went into the supermarket today and I noticed the
Speaker 13: rise in prices in just a week.
Speaker 3: And trust me, I've noticed it too.
Speaker 4: I've got two teenage boys I'm feeding, and I wish
Speaker 4: they'd eat a bit.
Speaker 3: Less at the moment, so I can't afford to feed them.
Speaker 4: Before we go to a break, I want to ask you,
Speaker 4: Steven and bromwin your winners and losers.
Speaker 3: Of the week.
Speaker 4: I'll start with you, Steven, who's your winner and loser
Speaker 4: of the year.
Speaker 9: Rather, look, I think James Patterson has done exceptionally well
Speaker 9: over the last twelve months. I think he's lifted his profile.
Speaker 9: I think he's calm, he's consistent, and he pounds the government.
Speaker 9: So I'm I don't know James that, well, this is
Speaker 9: not like as a maine of mine, but I think
Speaker 9: he has been a start for the Liberal Party this year.
Speaker 9: I think the Victorian government continues to battle hard, and
Speaker 9: you know, I wish Tim Palace well in trying to
Speaker 9: pull the Victorian budget into line. I think some of
Speaker 9: the projects that the Victorian government are currently committed to
Speaker 9: just need to be slowed down a little bit. So
Speaker 9: I would say that we need to work on here
Speaker 9: in Victoria, wanting to see some of those projects rephaced
Speaker 9: so that Tim Palace can continue to bring the budget
Speaker 9: back into a more sustainable position.
Speaker 4: It was very generous of you, Steven, nominating a coalition
Speaker 4: member as the winner of the year when we've got
Speaker 4: to go to a break. But quickly before we do,
Speaker 4: who's your winner and loser of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 13: Trump is the winner and Alban Easy is.
Speaker 3: The Well we'll see next to you, won't we.
Speaker 4: Thank you Bromwin, Bishop, thank you Steven Conroy, appreciate you
Speaker 4: joining me. Well, stick around because we've got much more
Speaker 4: after the break, including Labour's latest major cash splash on childcare.
Speaker 4: But is it enough to swing an election? We'll talk
Speaker 4: about that in just a moment. Welcome back to Paul
Speaker 4: Murray Live. I'm James macpherson filling in for Paul Murray.
Speaker 4: He'll be back tomorrow night. I want to get to
Speaker 4: our panel in just a moment and start with Labour's
Speaker 4: long term universal childcare plan. They're really ramping up their
Speaker 4: efforts to starve off becoming a one term government at
Speaker 4: the next election. Now, the plan would mean every family
Speaker 4: earning less than five hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year,
Speaker 4: oh to be that family will be guaranteed access to
Speaker 4: at least three days of subsidized childcare a week. Take
Speaker 4: a look at the Prime Minister's cringe worthy attempt to
Speaker 4: sell Labour's childcare plan.
Speaker 3: This is amazing, amazing, amazing.
Speaker 13: Is very happy with our policies.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: Joining me is Christy McSweeney and I've got David Limbrick
Speaker 4: as well. Great to have you guys. This childcare plan
Speaker 4: of the governments. I mean, you're going to get subsidized
Speaker 4: childcare if you're earning under five hundred and thirty thousand
Speaker 4: dollars a year as a family. Christie, it's pretty generous,
Speaker 4: isn't it.
Speaker 14: It's extraordinarily generous, isn't it? And so what this actually
Speaker 14: does it abolishes Coalition Policy, which was what we call
Speaker 14: childcare activity test, which means to get the subsidies you
Speaker 14: have to be working, studying and training of volunteering. That's
Speaker 14: going to go now, and so essentially everybody is eligible
Speaker 14: up to over half a million. Now, let's just contrast this,
Speaker 14: will we When Tony Abbotts paid parental Policy, which was
Speaker 14: to salaries of one hundred and fifty thousand for people
Speaker 14: to be paid six months. It was a national outrage.
Speaker 3: It was too high, it was.
Speaker 14: A disgraceful use of budget. Chris Bowen ranged against it
Speaker 14: at the time. Now, I don't think Australians are going
Speaker 14: to people earning a household income of five hundred and
Speaker 14: thirty thousand having access to tax payers salaries. The other
Speaker 14: thing the government's done, they're not calling it childcare, they're
Speaker 14: calling it early learning. And baked into this one billion
Speaker 14: dollar fund is a fifteen percent pay rise for childcare workers.
Speaker 14: More government spending, propping up the economy as they.
Speaker 7: Like to do it.
Speaker 4: Well, David, I heard somebody say, you know middle class welfare,
Speaker 4: this is upper class welfare.
Speaker 1: Well, this is exactly middle and upper class welfare. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a general principle here that if you're paying tax,
Speaker 1: it sort of doesn't really make sense that you're also
Speaker 1: receiving welfare. And I think that's the prime problem here.
Speaker 1: What we really need to do is get rid of
Speaker 1: these subsidies altogether and lower tax rates so that people
Speaker 1: can afford childcare and deregulate it so you don't have
Speaker 1: this crazy expenses involved in obtaining childcare.
Speaker 4: Christy, I don't know if this will be a controversial
Speaker 4: thing to say, but if you're earning half a million
Speaker 4: bucks a year as a family, shouldn't you be encouraged
Speaker 4: to stay home and enjoy your kids rather than have
Speaker 4: the government pay for you to outsource them to someone else?
Speaker 14: Well, James, families make decisions that make sense for them
Speaker 14: as an economic family unit. Childcare is really important policy.
Speaker 14: It's really important workforce participation policy. It's really important for
Speaker 14: women to continue working. But half a million as a
Speaker 14: household income is extraordinary. Currently it's about eighty thousand the
Speaker 14: people that get the all ninety percent subsidies. Sure, these
Speaker 14: subsidies are going to be progressively reduced. A high your
Speaker 14: income is. But the fact that that's a marker for
Speaker 14: people to achieve taxpayer subsidies for childcare is a lot.
Speaker 3: It is a lot.
Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi needs a lot. At the moment, I would
Speaker 4: say to change his electoral fortunes.
Speaker 3: I want to move on.
Speaker 4: To the US, where twenty six year old Luigi Maggioni
Speaker 4: has been arrested in relation to the alleged murder of
Speaker 4: United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Now, if the shooting of
Speaker 4: Thompson in broad daylight wasn't shocking enough, reaction to the
Speaker 4: murder has been quite unbelievable. Social media has been swamped
Speaker 4: with people cheering for Thompson's murder and lionizing the alleged
Speaker 4: killer for taking out a supposed billionaire, and the Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: McDonald's where the alleged killer was arrested, has been bombarded
Speaker 4: with negative reviews Online. People have called the staff who
Speaker 4: reported the shooter to police rats and snitches, and to
Speaker 4: no one Surprised. Students at Sydney's top universities have now
Speaker 4: decided to politicize the assassination. One student wrote, and this
Speaker 4: has gone viral. All billionaires of parasites and we need
Speaker 4: to get rid of them, David, does this not just
Speaker 4: show exactly what's wrong with the world at the moment?
Speaker 4: I mean, this response just flaws me.
Speaker 1: Socialists don't take their masks off very often, but when
Speaker 1: they do, you get to see that they're basically following
Speaker 1: an inherent inherently violent ideology. Unlike libertarian ideas, socialism is
Speaker 1: inherently violent. And this is why these people always need
Speaker 1: to tell everyone about what good people they are. They
Speaker 1: wear their badges and pins and constantly virtue signaling. They
Speaker 1: need to tell people that they're good, because normal people
Speaker 1: that are good you don't need to tell other people
Speaker 1: that you're a good person. They're inherently violent, and we
Speaker 1: need to call this out more often, because that's not
Speaker 1: just this. There's many other things where they sort of
Speaker 1: feel more empowered and more emboldened to acting ways that
Speaker 1: are really violent and destructive, and we need to call
Speaker 1: it out and put us up to it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, these same people saying, you know, we need
Speaker 4: to get rid of all billionaires, kill them, or the
Speaker 4: same people who also preach tolerance and love and coming together. Christy,
Speaker 4: if the CEO of the Health Fund was a black woman,
Speaker 4: do you think they'd be as excited about the murder.
Speaker 14: Hmmm, that's a very interesting point, James.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 14: I think they would probably find way to celebrate that
Speaker 14: in a different way. But this is a disgraceful indictment
Speaker 14: of what society has become, what young people have become,
Speaker 14: in terms of what's driving the clickbase to continually show
Speaker 14: these comments that they're making, and to give them airtime
Speaker 14: and to give them a present so they can grow
Speaker 14: their move The police will tell you that that leads
Speaker 14: to sparking copycat incidents, and I'm sure there's a lot
Speaker 14: of CEOs out there running equivalent companies that'll been pretty
Speaker 14: scared around this sort of momentum of that messaging.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you, Christy, because you've spoken a
Speaker 4: lot about the problems we've got with our universities. There's
Speaker 4: the socialist alternative at Sydney University, I think it is,
Speaker 4: and they've got posters around Newtown at the moment showing
Speaker 4: the face of the CEO who was murdered in cold
Speaker 4: blood with the caption abolish the billionaires. I might point
Speaker 4: out by the way that the man who was murdered
Speaker 4: was not anywhere near a billionaire. But I mean, what
Speaker 4: do universities do about students who are propagating this sort
Speaker 4: of stuff? I mean, first it was the pro Palestinian stuff.
Speaker 4: Now we're on to get rid of billionaires and we're
Speaker 4: cheering for the murder of a father of kids.
Speaker 3: He was wealthy, but I mean, that's not a crime.
Speaker 4: And I note that the students who are raging against
Speaker 4: the billionaires are using devices that were created by billionaires.
Speaker 4: What do universities do about students who are saying these
Speaker 4: sorts of things or is this just one of the
Speaker 4: things that universities.
Speaker 3: Have to accept.
Speaker 14: Well, universities don't have to accept it, James, because encampments
Speaker 14: and the blurring of the line in terms of what's
Speaker 14: appropriate behavior and what's appropriate public commentary on campus doesn't
Speaker 14: happen outside GA universities. Now, to my knowledge, there aren't
Speaker 14: these issues at James Cook University in Townsville, at Victoria
Speaker 14: University in Ballarat, at Edith Cowen University in Bunbury. It
Speaker 14: really is concentrated at our top tier, most expensive, most
Speaker 14: prestigious universities, particularly Melbourne and Sydney. And what does that
Speaker 14: say about the standard of what those chancellors were too
Speaker 14: slow in setting what they would say right from October
Speaker 14: seventh to this. It's an accumulative effect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great point. Great point.
Speaker 4: I want to move on to events in the Queensland
Speaker 4: Parliament where there were pretty emotional scenes as Premier David
Speaker 4: CHRISP Fooley moved a motion to prevent any changes to
Speaker 4: the state's Termination of Pregnancy Act. Now that was a
Speaker 4: pre election promise, but his motion bans any debate on abortion.
Speaker 3: For at least the next four years.
Speaker 4: Chris fully also accused the opposition of a US style
Speaker 4: scare campaign during the election. But take a look at
Speaker 4: what the Premier said yesterday in parliament.
Speaker 15: This motion today ends the disgraceful campaign. Queenslanders said no
Speaker 15: to a US style scare campaign, Queenslanders said no to
Speaker 15: politicizing a sensitive issue, and Queensland has said no to
Speaker 15: the reelection of a very bad labor government.
Speaker 3: David, I want to get your thoughts on this.
Speaker 4: What do you think The Premier vowed not to change
Speaker 4: abortion laws fair enough, but in order to make sure
Speaker 4: that they can't be changed, he won't even allow the
Speaker 4: subject to be discussed.
Speaker 3: It's pretty anti democratic, is it not.
Speaker 1: It is very anti democratic and This is what happens
Speaker 1: when you have a parliament in Australia that doesn't have
Speaker 1: an upper House of review. This wouldn't fly in other
Speaker 1: states that have an upper house. If you tried to
Speaker 1: do this in Victoria, it wouldn't be It wouldn't be
Speaker 1: possible because the government doesn't control the upper house in
Speaker 1: most parliaments. But in Queensland they only have a lower House.
Speaker 1: Once the government controls it, they can do it they
Speaker 1: want and they can shut down debate on issues.
Speaker 3: Christy. People are saying online. I've been reading the comments.
Speaker 4: They said, well, he promised not to change anything, so
Speaker 4: nothing will change, so everything's good. But there's a bigger
Speaker 4: principle here, isn't there. And that is that if I'm
Speaker 4: a local member and a constituent says, look, I'm really
Speaker 4: concerned about this, would you raise it? And I have
Speaker 4: to say, well, I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to talk.
Speaker 3: About that situation. We should tolerate surely.
Speaker 14: Well, look, James says, principle. And then there's what's smart politics.
Speaker 14: And David christ to Fooley has engaged in really really
Speaker 14: smart politics on this. Yes, he voted against the Criminalization
Speaker 14: of Abortion bill in twenty eighteen. He had to wear
Speaker 14: that around his neck during the election campaign with Labor
Speaker 14: targeting him. He's also got fringe MPs in his own
Speaker 14: party who saw fit to drive this to the four
Speaker 14: of the election campaign agenda. He said repeatedly there will
Speaker 14: be no change to abortion laws. And guess what Labor
Speaker 14: did target the LMPA they did lose what was anticipated
Speaker 14: to be a whopping majority. We were looking at seventeen seats,
Speaker 14: then twelve, and then they won with three. They didn't need.
Speaker 14: Robbie catter Catter party has three MPs. That was his issue.
Speaker 14: He drove it and co opted fringe Christian MPs in
Speaker 14: the LMP and it hurt the party absolutely, no question.
Speaker 14: It needs to be put back in its box. And
Speaker 14: Labor has voted against this motion. Christoph Foley has wedged
Speaker 14: them good and proper and sometimes for the greater good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hear what you're saying. I'm just not sure
Speaker 3: if smart politicians I understand.
Speaker 14: But it's clever.
Speaker 3: Do you understand, Christian.
Speaker 14: It's a smart move. If he didn't do it, it would
Speaker 14: have hurt Don't considerably in the federal campaign.
Speaker 3: We both know that, all right.
Speaker 4: I don't know I'm just after over smart politicians. A
Speaker 4: conviction politician will be a wonderful thing. Christy McSweeney, David Linbrick,
Speaker 4: appreciate your time tonight. Thank you so much. Well stick
Speaker 4: around because thanks Christy. After the break, I want to
Speaker 4: speak to the newly announced inaugural CEO of Cole Australia,
Speaker 4: Stuart Bocking. He'll play an interesting role as we come
Speaker 4: up to a federal election. We'll talk about that in
Speaker 4: just a moment. Well, welcome back to Port Murray Live.
Speaker 4: I'm James macpherson filling in for Paul. We all know
Speaker 4: Labour's renewable fixation is sending us into energy oblivion. Some
Speaker 4: has barely started, but people in New South Wales have
Speaker 4: already been told to avoid using dishwashers in order to
Speaker 4: prevent blackouts, and last week there were serious suggestions that
Speaker 4: governments may need the power to be able to automatically
Speaker 4: turn off people's home appliances to conserve power on hot days. Now,
Speaker 4: one of the problems is the lack of people outside
Speaker 4: of my colleagues here on Sky and a few sensible
Speaker 4: MPs in Parliament pushing back against labor, the Greens and
Speaker 4: the renewable energy industry that is sending.
Speaker 3: Us all to the wall.
Speaker 4: Coal, which has powered our prosperity, is routinely demonized without
Speaker 4: anyone to defend it, but that might be about to change.
Speaker 3: Joining me is the inaugural.
Speaker 4: CEO of Coal Australia, former lawyer and senior advisor to
Speaker 4: the New South Wales government, Stuart Bocking. Stuart, thanks for
Speaker 4: joining me tonight. Thanks j Just just tell me briefly
Speaker 4: what is Coal Australia and what are you hoping to
Speaker 4: achieve over the next number of months.
Speaker 2: Well, this is really a grassroots campaign designed to say
Speaker 2: to mining workers, mining communities, be proud of what you're doing,
Speaker 2: be proud of the prosperity you're driving. And some of
Speaker 2: the key objectives of our member companies within Coal Australia
Speaker 2: is very much about driving down energy prices, ensuring energy
Speaker 2: security and most importantly, driving prosperity for regional communities, for
Speaker 2: states and the nation. More broadly, and aside from the
Speaker 2: domestic element around all of those things, including downward pressure
Speaker 2: on prices and energy security, there's a huge export market
Speaker 2: for coal. We're not about to wish that away tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Countries like Japan South Korea, China, Vietnam, all demanding clean
Speaker 2: Australian coal that if they're not getting it from us,
Speaker 2: they'll get it somewhere else. And so you've got companies
Speaker 2: who are providing that product. There's a service that they want,
Speaker 2: there's a product they demand, and we're seeking to service
Speaker 2: that demand.
Speaker 4: So energy is certainly going to be a big discussion
Speaker 4: in the lead up to the election, as well as
Speaker 4: the message you've just described in terms of you know,
Speaker 4: there's a massive export market. Are you going to be
Speaker 4: talking about the role of coal domestically at all?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that's why I talk about energy prices and
Speaker 2: most importantly energy security. I mean, one of the problems
Speaker 2: we have is as you were talking about with their
Speaker 2: conditioners and other things. We need energy security, that's first
Speaker 2: and foremost. But we need energy security at a price
Speaker 2: that the average person can afford. Otherwise, if you're thinking
Speaker 2: twice about turning on the air conditioner or turning on
Speaker 2: some other appliance at home when temperatures are soaring, then
Speaker 2: that's a big problem. In a country like ours. We
Speaker 2: shouldn't be at that point. So one of the key
Speaker 2: initiatives for Cole Australia is about saying, well, Cole does
Speaker 2: have an important role to play. If cost of living
Speaker 2: is going to loom large at the next election, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure it is, well, energy security and downward pressure
Speaker 2: on energy prices and cost of living factors there. They
Speaker 2: are going to be absolutely critical and Carle Australia wants
Speaker 2: to be at the forefront of that debate.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when Scott Morrison walked into Parliament he
Speaker 4: held a piece of coal in his hands.
Speaker 3: You remember that I haven't got one with it. I
Speaker 3: haven't got it was a brilliant speech.
Speaker 4: It's like, it's coal, it's not going to hurt you,
Speaker 4: it's not going to That seems like a lifetime ago.
Speaker 2: And here the sector is thriving, you know, several years
Speaker 2: beyond that, and you look at a number of these
Speaker 2: operations with forward approvals and they're forecast to run for
Speaker 2: any number of years as well. So yes, it does
Speaker 2: seem a long time ago since that happened. But importantly,
Speaker 2: the importance of coal hasn't altered In some respects, it's
Speaker 2: become even more critical because we see the impact it
Speaker 2: has so readily now on state budgets in terms of
Speaker 2: royalties and certainly in terms of federal budgets, in terms
Speaker 2: of company acts being paid by coal mining companies.
Speaker 4: Just real quickly, if you had a message for Chris Bowen,
Speaker 4: what would you say to him?
Speaker 2: Energy security and downward pressure on energy prices. Coal Australia
Speaker 2: is with you all the way.
Speaker 4: I love how Chris Bowen he you know, he says
Speaker 4: coal is you know, it's evil and it's the primary
Speaker 4: cause of emissions that are destroying the planet.
Speaker 3: But then when we don't.
Speaker 4: Have power, well it's the coal fired power stations have
Speaker 4: let us down. So I mean you can't win either way.
Speaker 4: So good on you first standing up for coal and
Speaker 4: defending what's really made Australia so prosperous.
Speaker 2: And importantly we're about empowering a workforce that can be
Speaker 2: very proud of the work they're doing, the prosperity that's
Speaker 2: being driven, and most importantly that the generation of incomes,
Speaker 2: the knock on effects of that, the other businesses who
Speaker 2: are supplying to coal mines in those regional communities and
Speaker 2: the many other businesses that thrive off all of that.
Speaker 2: So that's what col Australia is about.
Speaker 4: Well, Stuart, I wish you all the best in your
Speaker 4: dat As we approach the election is going to be
Speaker 4: a very important topic. Well that's it from me tonight.
Speaker 4: Paul Murray will be back tomorrow. Stay tuned now for
Speaker 4: the Late Debate. Now I won't be on it, but
Speaker 4: it might still be worth watching.
Speaker 3: Good Night,