WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 11 December 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.080 From the skying in Center. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.160 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:08.319 Well, welcome to Paul Murray Live. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.240 James Macpherson here in Paul's man k for the first time, 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:13.880 which I'm very excited to be keeping the seat warm 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:15.720 for Paul who returns tomorrow. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:16.800 Big show coming up. 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:20.479 Bronwin Bishop and Stephen Conroy join us as Albanezy fails 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.759 to meet the moment yet again. A staff member for 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:27.400 Marine Ferouki has been counseled for suggesting the fire bombing 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.160 of the Melbourne Synagogue may have been a quote Zionist 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.320 false flag in Labour's latest desperate cash splash to help 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:38.280 their falling poll numbers. Now it's always a risk to 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:41.720 start off with a joke, but here we go. One day, 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:44.640 the UN Secretary General proposed that, in the interest of 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.879 global peace and harmony, the world's soccer players should all 0:00:47.880 --> 0:00:52.160 come together and form one United Nations global soccer team. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.720 Everyone loved the idea until someone asked the obvious question, 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.280 A global soccer team. That's fantastic, but who are we 0:00:59.280 --> 0:00:59.920 going to play again? 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:01.360 Well, the UN. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.399 Secretary General said, that's easy. We'll play against Israel. Of course, 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.840 it's an old joke that contains a grain of truth, 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.760 although it's starting to look more like the whole loaf, 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.480 isn't it. Our government, motivated as always by political advantage 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.399 rather than by principle, has played a dangerous game with 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:21.760 anti Semitism in these past fourteen months. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:24.479 They've reacted to every instance of. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.360 Due hatred with one eye on how their response will 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.560 play in the marginal seats of western Sydney where they're 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.640 anxious not to lose Muslim votes, but. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.840 In trying to walk both sides of the fence. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:38.800 For more than a year, they've refused to condemn anti 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.880 Semitism without also condemning Islamophobia, even when there's no instance 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:46.680 of Islamophobia to point to. All they've done is fan 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:50.920 the flames of anti Semitism, and now we've got spot fires, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:55.320 as in literal fires, pretty much everywhere. With the country 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:58.000 still reeling from the fire bombing of a Melbourne synagogue 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.960 in the early hours of Friday, we woke to yet 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:05.000 another anti Semitic attack this morning around one am. Two 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.360 masked men drove a stolen car to Sydney's eastern suburbs, 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.880 where they set it on fire and painted anti israel 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:16.040 slogans across the walls of homes. I should point out 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:20.280 how dumb these idiots are. They can't even spell Israel. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.440 What hope they understand the geopolitical situation in the Middle East. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.840 New South Wales Premier Chris Mins, I have to say, 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.600 is proving himself to be a very unusual labor leader. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.560 He canceled all other appointments this morning and went straight 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:38.720 to the scene of the attack. Now, of course, if 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.160 he'd been the Prime Minister, he would have played a 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.360 round of Tennyson shown up next week. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.760 What is obviously a shocking morning in Sydney's East as 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.680 we respond to what we regard as a hate crime 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:55.240 on the streets of Sydney, a violent act of destruction, 0:02:55.520 --> 0:03:00.079 clearly anti Semitic, designed to strike fear into the community 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.640 that lives in this part of Sydney. I want to 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.880 make it clear that this is antithetical and completely opposite 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.679 to the kind of community and society that we one 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:12.720 in Australia in twenty twenty four. This violent act will 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.560 be met with the full response from New South Wales. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.840 Please a full response from New South Wales police. I 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.880 like Chris Mins, but I'll believe it when I see it. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.040 What chance police will deal with today's episode of anti 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.800 Semitism when they haven't. 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.040 Yet dealt with Mondays. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.960 I want to remind you, because things move so fast 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.480 at the moment, that less than forty eight hours after 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.720 the terror attack on the Rippon Lee Synagogue, dozens of 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.720 men flooded onto the streets of Canterbury Bankstown, citing Mohammed's 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:45.440 slaughter of Jews in the seventh century and chanting, O Jews, 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:59.200 the army of Mohammad will return, and police. 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.000 Are still investigate. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.080 I'm still waiting for police to do something about that 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.800 sheik who gloated on the streets of Sydney that the 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.640 Hamas slaughter of twelve hundred. 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.440 Israelis was a day of victory. 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.280 Remember that guy, How is celebrating the murder of civilians 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:18.040 by terrorists, not showing support for a terrorist organization. How 0:04:18.160 --> 0:04:22.600 is not not incitement to even more violence. There's more 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.560 chance of getting you two hundred and seventy five dollars 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.719 power bill reduction than seeing anyone charged or deported for 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.560 incitement right now, I know it, You know it. But 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.479 here's the most telling thing. Pro Palestinian supporters. They know 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.320 it as well. And if you want proof of how 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.200 little respect there is for the law right now. There 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.839 was a small but very telling incident this morning. While 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.479 New South Wales Police Commissioner Karen Webb was in the 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.120 middle of talking about the latest attack on Jews, a 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.520 passerby interrupted with a shout of free Palestine. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:02.400 High visible police presence were actually we're actually taking. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.279 I can't believe that you've got the Commissioner of Police, 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.240 you've got the New Southwales Premier standing right behind her, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.119 and a passer by feels at liberty while they're talking 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.839 about attack on Jews. A passer by feels the liberty 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.559 to yell out free Palestine. That's a pretty big middle 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:23.200 finger to the police commissioner and the Premier. Pro Palestinian 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.440 protesters don't respect the police clearly, but it's because the 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.520 police don't do anything. And when police do something, well, 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:34.800 it's more likely that they're doing something to Jews. Just 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:39.400 last week, pro Palestinian protesters rallied against Sydney's Great Synagogue, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:44.400 trapping worshipers inside for almost three hours. Police left the 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:48.200 protesters in place, but do you know who they moved on? 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:52.360 A Jew who dared to waive an Israeli flag. 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.560 Go go, Wait, you're going way and you go away. 0:06:11.120 --> 0:06:12.440 I would I think pagan idea. 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.960 No I need to be here, The police officer tells 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.880 the Jewish person, You've got no right to be here, 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.440 while one hundred or so protesters are barricading everybody inside 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.120 the synagogue. You just can't make this stuff up. Now 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:31.200 pro Palestinian protesters they take note of these things, and 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:35.159 they become even more emboldened. Still, at least Chris Mins 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:38.720 is calling things out, even if not much is being done. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:42.039 He was asked whether this morning's graffiti kill Israel was 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:45.960 anti Semitic or fair commentary on the political situation in 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:46.640 the Middle East. 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.360 I think that we would be unnecessarily splitting hairs now 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.680 if we suggested this was not anti semitic, and I 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:58.160 think doing a disservice to our other responsibility here and 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.919 standing up unambiguously to these forms of racism and violence. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.800 If we start splitting hairs this morning and I fronted 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:07.520 a press conference where I said, oh, look, I'm not 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.840 sure whether this was anti semitic when blind Freddie can 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:11.840 see that it was. I think that would send the 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.720 exact opposite message that this press conference is meant to gave. 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:21.160 A well if only blind Freddie worked for the ABC. Instead, 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.560 they had comedian Chris Taylor hosting Sydney Radio this morning. 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.800 Just on your wording in your statements this morning, what's 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.320 your reasoning for branding the attack anti Semitic and not 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.640 anti Israel? How do you make a distinction. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:36.560 I mean, I think we would have to be willful 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.800 at this point to turn a blind eye to that 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.120 sequence of event and suggested to anything other than an 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:42.080 anti Semitic attack. 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.240 So if you're calling it anti Semitic rather than just a 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:49.440 political anti Israel statement, what you've been in public life 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.320 a long time, would you say anti Semitism is at 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.360 an all time high in your experience? 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.320 Yes, I would. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:03.080 Seriously, the big question for Federal Labor is whether or 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.480 not they've been enabling anti Semitism with their anti Israel 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:11.480 foreign policy and inflammatory rhetoric against the world's only Jewish state. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.440 I'm still shaking my head in amazement that while Anthony 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.640 Albanezi was at the fire bomb synagogue desperately trying to 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.600 assure Jewish Australians that the government has their back. That's 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.760 Elbow's catchphrase for the upcoming election. We've got your back. 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:30.320 While he's saying that to Jewish people in Melbourne, his 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:34.560 Foreign Minister Penny Wong is in South Australia, lumping the 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:38.559 democratic State of Israel in the same basket of deplorables 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.000 as communist China and authoritarian Russia. 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.520 We expect Russia to by international law and end it's 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:51.440 illegal and full scale war on Ukraine. We expect China 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.560 to buy by international legal decisions in the South China 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:58.520 see we expect Israel by by international law. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.720 Now Pennywong claims that's not anti Semitic, but to steal 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.640 a line from the New South Wales premiere, Blind Freddie 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.559 can see that it's pretty disingenuous to put Israel in 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.800 a police line up with Russia and China and claim 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.959 you can't tell the difference. The PM was asked today 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:23.040 whether he supported Penny Wong's comments, and Albanezy said that 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.760 Senator Wong quote knows about racism, and as someone who 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:32.880 quote understands very firsthand the damage racism can cause, it's. 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:33.960 A curious thing to say. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.720 Does he mean that because Senator Wong is Asian, it's 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:40.040 impossible for her to be biased against Israel. It doesn't 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:44.560 even make sense. Chris Mins isn't so stupid. When asked 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.040 about Senator Wong's incendiary comments, he replied like this. 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:52.000 I'm not going to on your program this morning the 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:56.679 democratic state of Israel with the actions of Russia. I'm 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:58.199 not going to do that, and I don't believe that's 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:58.640 the case. 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.120 It's a pity that Chris Mens can't be the Premier, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.000 the Prime Minister and the foreign minister. And while we're 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.040 at it, let's give him Tony Burke's job as well. 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.800 We don't have a position as a nation that international 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.600 law is a pick and choos thing. 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:14.800 It's something that should be abided by by every nation 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:15.400 in the world. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.840 Oh does Tony Burke think we're idiots? How many times 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.440 have you heard the Albanesi government call out China. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.439 I've said a number of times that will cooperate with 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.480 China where we can, we'll disagree where we muster. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.800 That's about as tough as our government gets on a communist. 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.160 Nation that hit us with twenty billion. 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.840 Dollars worth of trade sanctions for daring to question the 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.000 origin of COVID, and that has regularly harassed our air 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:47.920 force and our navy while hugging China. Federal Labor demands 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.520 Israel and negotiate a ceasefire with terrorists, as if the 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:54.080 State of Israel and Hamas are equals, and our government 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:58.360 supports an international court ruling which names the democratically elected 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.440 leader of Israel, Benjamin Netanya, who as a war criminal, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.200 alongside the now de ceased leader of Hamas, as if 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:06.600 they're peas in a pod. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.400 It is not anti Semitic to expect that Israel should 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.800 comply with international law that applies to all countries. 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.560 Give me a break. 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:20.720 Liberal Senator Dave Sharma stated the obvious about Labour's anti 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:22.240 Israel foreign policy. 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:26.560 We've seen them continually use, including Penny Wong in recent days, 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.560 inflammatory language about Israel and demonization of Israel, which is 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.040 completely at odds with our foreign policy, completely disproportionate, but 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.800 has the effect of basically green lighting some of the 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.640 violence and hatred we're seeing on our streets. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:43.640 Well, the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi toured Sydney's Holocaust Museum 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.960 this afternoon, and I must say he was looking weary 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.520 and exasperated. In other words, he looked like the rest 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.800 of us feel. He was asked if the level of 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.480 anti Semitism had reached crisis level. 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:02.240 Have A listened to his response, This is horrific. It 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:03.600 is something that. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.360 Is I think quite shocking. The fact that you've had 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:11.760 two incidents. 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:17.640 Here, the fact that we've had two incidents Prime Minister, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.400 We've had fourteen months worth of incidents. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.720 Holocaust survivors came to Australia because we are a tolerant 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.280 country and we need a whole of government, a whole 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:35.439 of society as well, effort to make sure this is 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:36.200 stamped out. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.560 We need a whole of government effort. 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:42.760 Well, mister Albanezi, you're the leader of the whole of 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:48.400 the government, so you know anytime you like. Well, let's 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.160 get into the debate now with former Speaker of the 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.880 House Bromwin Bishop who joins me on set, and former 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:55.960 Labor Senator Stephen Conroy. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.120 Welcome to you both. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.560 I don't think it's possible to overstate just how worried 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.199 Jewish Australians are right now at the level of animosity 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.880 being shown towards them on what seems like a daily basis. 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.360 Have A listened to my Sky News colleague Kenny Heatley 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.760 chatting with a Jewish Australian in Sydney's East this morning. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.440 There's a very big difference between what's happening here now 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:23.600 and what happened in the thirties nineteen thirties in Europe. 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:27.920 But this is the start of what could end up 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:29.760 in a crazy situation. 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:33.480 So obviously the pressure now, as I said, is on 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.600 the Albanezy government to show some leadership, and bizarrely, at 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:41.480 a press conference today he chose to wheel out this line. 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:46.520 On Saturday, I visited a synagogue, went to my first 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.640 bar mitzvah there in Perth. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.400 Brom Win Anthony Albaneze he went to his first bar mitzvah. 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.080 Is this supposed to make Jewish people feel like he's 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:57.120 got their back. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:02.000 He's more likely to do them back. I mean, seriously, 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.840 the man has no leadership at all. And when I 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:09.440 saw the vision of him in Melbourne with those people 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:14.439 at that synagogue, I looked at his face, a lesson 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.280 to the tone of his voice, and I've never seen 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.520 a man sending signals of I don't want to be 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:25.400 here at all. I mean, he and his government, of 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.480 which Penny Wong is taking a lead in this matter, 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.200 are so have let by accident or design, and I 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:38.240 suspect design have let the abomination, and that's what it is, 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:45.280 an abomination of anti Semitism almost be normalized. Yes, we 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.400 have Chrismins coming up with wonderful words, but you pointed 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.400 out quite brightly, as I have done, also that that 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.680 police minister has no respect for what Mens is saying 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.400 and there is no action accordingly from the police. So 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:04.000 he has worked out, of course, that the election is 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:07.920 getting closer and closer. He's realized that he's under attack, 0:15:08.280 --> 0:15:11.240 but his disgraceful behavior with regard to the handling of 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:14.480 the situation, and he feels, oh dear, I better try 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.240 and ameliorate that. So he had to go at that, 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:20.080 went to Melbourne, went to the Jewish Museum, had a 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.200 press conference there, and then along the way. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.320 He actually didn't have a press conference there. He made 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.880 a very brief statement then then left without taking any questions. 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.080 Quite right, thank you for the correction. But also we've 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.440 just put out an announcement that he's going to spend 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:39.920 another four four, one hundred and fifty million dollars on childcare. 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.360 As to trying to divert the attention, so let's try 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.360 and make an appeasement with the Jewish community and let's 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.120 changed the topic to get to childcare. It is so 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.840 pathetic to watch a man who has no backbone at all. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:58.240 Steven, you're you're a labor man. 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.720 Surely you're tearing your hair out albans is just I mean, 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:03.560 it's misstep after misstep, isn't it. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.080 Well, I think you've you've unfortunately just left out a 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.520 few key elements of the Prime Minister's response. Over the 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.680 last couple of weeks. In particular, there's been a substantial 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.960 increase in funding for protections at Jewish schools, a substantial 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:23.560 increase in funding now for protection of synagogues. We've seen 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:28.640 the establishment of the police task Force into antisemitism. We've 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:33.240 had a creation of a suggestion an advisor, an advisor 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:40.080 for anti Semitism and Jillian Siegel. So I think, unfortunately, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:45.520 the way you've the way you've described the circumstance is. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.640 Not just a full set of facts. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.640 I mean, yes, there are things that are disappointed I 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:55.280 don't and never have supported. I'm going to argued against 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.280 the recognition votes on the floor of the un are 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.880 not positions I've advocated or supported in the past. And 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.639 I don't fully support all of them at the moment, 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.640 but I think it's just a little unfair to try 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.159 and say, oh, here's this, is this is this without 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.280 putting the other things on the table. When your view 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:19.760 is to actually understand that ameliorate. 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:21.879 It, doesn't ameliorate it at all. I mean, look at 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.760 this lovely photograph of Albanisi with his friend Corbyn, and 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.600 it's not a Loane photograph. There are lots of photographs 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:30.640 of them together. This moment called. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.400 Photographs of you, Malcolm Turnbull, that there are photographs. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.080 Leadership anti semitic. I don't think you are, are you? 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.159 The point I'm making is that Corbyn is a disgraceful 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.600 anti Semitic and here is Albanisi with him, and there 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.120 are lots of photographs with him. The point I. 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.920 Malcolm or Turnbull, No, everyone's got embarrassing photos. I've probably 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.480 even got one with you, brom when that people might 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:59.720 want to make fun of. So I just don't think. 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:03.800 Hold, I don't, I don't before tactics are going to 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.240 work getting away from the fact of the matter that 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.520 the Prime Minister is a week leader who has has 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:15.200 allowed anti Semitism to become normalized where people are no 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.200 longer shocked by many of the things that are going on. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.520 And that's an appalling situation to get I think, and 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.560 that's the why it was in Germany in the early 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.240 nineteen thirties. That's exacutive. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:32.640 Australian creeps, absolutely discremental, absolutely disgusted with what is going 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:33.200 on at the moment. 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.360 And then why why. 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.200 Are we continuing to see people crying from the river 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.479 to the sea if they're so disgusted, Because that means 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.040 kill the Jews and give us. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:49.760 The average Australia. I know, I know exactly Australian. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.680 Don't count, which Australians don't count. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:57.120 Sorry to unwind the bun, and wind the bun, it's 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.440 it's starting to affect you. Just take the pressure off 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.159 the bun because it's starting to affect you that you're actually, don't. 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:08.879 Try making sense, I make making sense. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.320 I said, I'm trying to actually agree with you that 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:18.399 the average I'm not defending the indefensible average Australian out 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.760 there is disgusted, and I agree with them. I've said consistent. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.200 Have they permitted anyone who wants to march, anyone who 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:31.479 wants to march in rallies where from the river to 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.000 the sea is being chanted. Needs to understand front and 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.159 center that is about the destruction of the state of 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:44.200 Israel and cannot be tolerated and no absolutely consistent. 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.560 Let me let me jump in here, Stephen, because one 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:49.880 of the things that I've noticed over the last couple 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.440 of days, in fact for longer than that, is Chris 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.119 Min's the new South Wales premieer. He does seem to 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.280 provide be providing decent leadership. You mentioned some of the 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.200 things that Anthony alban Eazy has and it's true he's 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.720 done some things, but I mean he called it a 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.680 terrorist attack after Peter Dutton had done so. He turned 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.880 up at the Melbourne Synagogue after Peter Dutton had done so. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.919 He announced a task force after Peter Dutton had done so. 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.280 Chris Mins is making the Prime Minister look pretty average, 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:19.680 isn't he. 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:21.560 Look? 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.480 I think Chris Mins is an outstanding premier and I 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:30.360 congratulated him wholeheartedly in his responses. I think in that 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.880 very first incident at the Sydney Opera House, the government 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.560 was just caught you know, I won't say flat footed, 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.760 but they were just caught by surprise. I think Mins 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.680 since that day has made it his mission to send 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:45.080 a very strong message across New South Wales that that 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.880 sort of behavior is not acceptable and won't be accepted 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.080 by the government. There's been a raft of changes, it's 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.440 a legislation, some at federal some at state level. 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.680 And I think the problem, Ice Stevens, we just haven't 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.239 seen that sort of rolling intimidation. We haven't seen that 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.840 sort of strength of leadership from Anthony Albanese and I 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:04.159 think that's what everybody is reacting to. 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:06.600 I want to I want to be on to Penny Wong. 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.439 We played some of her comments earlier about you know, 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.120 we expect China to obey international law, Russia to abe 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:18.879 international law, and then she puts Israel in the same lineup. 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.720 Do you think she should retract that comparison, Stephen. 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.439 I think if you and it was interesting. I hadn't 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.919 seen the full clip before. I think it was interesting 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:34.919 that she put context around those quotes, and in general 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:38.080 the reporting has not given it the full context. Okay, 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:43.960 so that's the first point. Secondly, the I think at 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:48.520 this time it was an unfortunate bringing together of the 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.880 three countries. There is no question Israel is a democratic country, 0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:55.760 but as has been said consistently for fourteen months, it 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.840 has to respect international law and how it conducts it's 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:02.520 dealing with the trocity that was committed against it, and 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:06.159 that is that is a not a remarkable statement. I 0:22:06.200 --> 0:22:09.360 think when you put it next to the Russian invasion, 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.919 when you put it next to the Chinese flatting of 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:15.560 international law, I think that's you know, just the timing 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.439 of that was not, you know, not ideal. But in 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:23.240 terms of a statement that says we expect Israel to 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:24.880 respect the international laws. 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:30.440 Stephen, about the see I take it, which we should 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:30.639 never have. 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:35.560 I'm talking about how they conduct well, yes, well, what 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:40.320 I'm talking about is how they conduct their legitimate retaliation 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:44.120 against the Hamas Hezbala. 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.800 Stephen, You're right, right, just we expect it's legitimate. 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.960 You're right that we expect Israel to obey international law, 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:53.840 as we expect every nation. But for her to say 0:22:53.880 --> 0:22:56.960 that in the context of Russia and China while Anthony 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:01.000 Albanezi is responding to a terror attack against Jews in Melbourne, 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.439 I mean, you're right, the timing was very unfortunate. Broman, Bishop, 0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:06.680 let me ask you this, do you think those comments 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:10.800 are having an effect on what's happening domestically, the government's 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.040 comments about what's happening in the Middle East? Are they 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:18.280 giving a green light, as Senator Sharma said to protesters here, 0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.080 to go hard against Australian. 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.960 Jess in a word, absolutely yes, and why would be? 0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:27.439