WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 8 August 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:07.800 Lately, General man, welcome the late debase. Thanks for joining us. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:11.520 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and cayleb Bond coming up. 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:13.040 But I don't know how far you'd go to get 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.240 rid of a spider from your car. But in a 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.079 story that could only take place in North Queensland, one 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.840 guy goes the whole way. We'll show you what happens 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:23.079 a little later. Plus when we look at the papers, 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.080 the Australian newspaper tomorrow has a big expose on the 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:31.680 ndis you guessed it, more funding problems and Quantus makes 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.760 some decisions about how they will approach political and social 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:37.680 issues going forward. I know you're intrigued. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:40.640 We all are. We'll talk about that a little later. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:44.920 But first, there's a few nervous politicians in Queensland after 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.680 it was revealed private conversations at the offices of the 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.600 United Workers Union have been recorded for at least the 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.120 past twelve months now. This is important because it was 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.680 the United Workers Union that was responsible for getting rid 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:04.759 of Station Pealage and inserting Stephen Miles as the Queensland 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.360 premiere at the end of last year. Oh to have 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.160 been a fly on the wall when those discussions were 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.640 taking place, Well there was no fly, but there were 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:17.039 CCTV cameras and they weren't only watching. Turns out they 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.000 were listening. Now, all of this came to light when 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:24.400 a union worker was accused of using drugs on site 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:29.280 and sacked. He's taken the union to court alleging unfair dismissal, 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.760 and as part of that claim, he's seeking all CCTV 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.240 footage featuring himself to be released. Now the union have 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.200 fought that claim, saying we can't do that because we've 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:44.960 only just realized that the contractor who installed the CCTV 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:50.279 cameras accidentally switched on the audio recording feature as well, 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.920 and so if we release all of that, the video 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:58.360 and the audio, we'd be in breach of privacy laws. Well, amazingly, 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.040 the Fair Work Commission has said no, no, whatever footage 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:06.040 exists of that worker, it should all be released, including 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.079 the audio. Now there's a few things to this story. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.600 There's a privacy issue. There's obviously do we believe the 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.600 union that this was all just a big mistake by 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.640 the contractor. But the most intriguing part Calebin Liz, is 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.920 that most of the CCTV footage relating to the period 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:25.639 of time where this worker was alleged to have used 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.720 drugs on site is around the same time that many 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.600 union officials and current Labor Cabinet ministers were having little 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.920 meetings at the union offices about what they would do 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.280 regarding Anastasia Palage and whether Stephen Miles would be an 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:45.480 appropriate replacement. Now, I should mention the LNP have referred 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.360 this matter to the police because of breaches of the 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.040 Privacy Act. But it's an intriguing story, and as I said, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:56.000 there would be some nervous people right now waiting to 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:57.840 see what is going to be made public. 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.080 You would think, so, I mean, for goodness sake, if 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:03.760 the security cameras out in our newsroom and in other 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.720 certain parts of this building have the audio enabled, I 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.440 am sunk, is all. 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:11.840 I can say. And it really makes you think. 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.600 You would ordinarily think, Okay, you walk into a shop 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.960 or an office or wherever there's a security camera there. 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:21.639 You're kind of under the understanding that it's filming you 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.320 while you're there, but you wouldn't immediately think that it 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:29.600 has the audio enabled. Now terribly convenient for the union 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.359 that they've only just realized that they were recording all 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:36.760 this audio for about a year. But not only would 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.960 you be nervous, I suppose about the fact that it 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.000 might have recorded you when you're in there, particularly if 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:45.400 you went in for a high level political meeting, but 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.280 anyone who walked into that office and unknowingly had their 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.440 video not video but audio recorded, their voice recorded should 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.560 be apoplectic because you should be told that in most places, 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.000 if you walk in and there is a camera there, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.520 warned in some way that there is a camera there. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.120 Of course, no warning was given that audio was being recorded. 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.920 Not only is that a great breach of privacy, it's 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:13.200 almost treacherous. And if they didn't know until this point, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.920 they have just discovered the greatest treasure trove of content 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.839 that they could possibly have ever hoped for. I mean, look, 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:22.520 you know it's I don't know whether it would be 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:26.320 illegal now to go back through all of that recording 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:27.680 and use it in some way. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:30.640 Well what illegal to record exactly? 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.679 Which is why it's so hilarious that when the court 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:38.599 requested this because of this fellow's fair workcase and the 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.479 union saying no, we couldn't possibly release this because we've 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:44.799 just realized that not only were we filming, but there's audio, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.800 and we don't want to break the Privacy Act. You've 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:53.599 already broken the Privacy Act by recording people unbeknownst to 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.159 them for months and months around the clock too. 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.599 This was twenty four hour valent. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:04.200 So this bloke who simply needed the footage from the 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.479 second and the fifth of October when he's alleged to 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.960 have been caught out taking drugs on the premises, has 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.320 blown this whole case wide open. And this is disastrous 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:20.279 timing for Miles right, because this creates a reminder for 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:25.560 everyone who he's tied to how he became premiere, this 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:30.840 back room, factional, union driven deal that was done that 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.520 saw him in power. It also reminds everyone that out 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.839 of his nineteen strong cabinet, twelve of them are in 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.520 Gary Bullock's pocket. 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.239 Twelve of them belong to this same union, and this. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:48.520 Union is so dodgy they want everyone to believe, Oh. 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:52.560 We haven't been recording totally on most us. 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.600 It was a CZTV guy and he just gave us 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.120 an extra feature that we never us for and we 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:03.200 made it very I mean, what CCTV footage do you 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:08.159 know of that does include audio. Everyone says, CCTV, we 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:11.360 all think of the mute footage, right, That's what the 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.200 cops use. That's what everyone uses. That's what you just mentioned. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.359 When you walk into a shop and you see it 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.040 up there, there's no sound being recorded, it's. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:22.080 Just the images. 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.680 And you mean to tell me they just got some 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.880 weird CCTV contractor. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.000 Who was like, I'm just gonna do audio as well. 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.960 Can you imagineable like you're asking, you're asking us to 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:36.320 believe a bit too much. 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.479 All the people watching at home tonight who are going 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.640 to work in an office or wherever tomorrow will now 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.800 be thinking, hang on, has the boss been recording me 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:46.800 in the lunch. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:48.160 Room what I've been saying? 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.839 Oh my god. I slagged off another colleague and said, 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.279 you're like, you have reasonable belief that you're having quote 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:58.919 unquote private conversation in certain parts of your workplace. And 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:01.960 this opens up the possibility that perhaps you haven't been 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.120 because if it can be done at the uwu's offices, 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:10.600 how many other officers workplaces, supermarkets, shops, whatever across the 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.840 country could this have been done at And if someone 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.600 realized if you were an employer, obviously this has all 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:19.920 been blown out because it's gone to fair work. But 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.880 if you were an employer who realized that this ability 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.080 had been enabled by a contractor, let's just buy that 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.120 idea for a minute, that this was enabled by a contractor, 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.360 and you later realized when you went to check the 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.679 CCTV footage for some reason or another that the audio 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.520 was enabled, would you, as an employer change that. Would 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:42.400 you go and tell your staff that they had been recorded, 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.200 or would you secretly go, hmm, this could be useful 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.960 one day, and you couldn't blame them for doing it, 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:51.600 because of course it's an upper handful. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.880 This explains you know, we've always wanted why. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.680 Do unions have so much power? 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.880 Now we know because they invite government ministers in from 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.160 it for a meeting. Where should we have at the 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.600 local coffee shop? No, no, let's have it in our offices. 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:08.280 They're comfortable, you'll feel right home, and you know, consequently 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.440 you've got leverage. But the other funny part about this, 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:14.280 if it's true that this was a mistake by the contractor, 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.240 that they've only just realized, that would imply, would it not, 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.640 that they've not ever looked at CCTV footage for the 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.160 past twelve months. Well, because if they'd looked at it, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.560 they would have realized, Right, that's the argument. We've just 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.720 gone looking for this footage and now we've realized have 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.880 they not looked at any footage for over a year 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:31.040 and realized? 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:32.880 So it's a little hard to buy. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.960 This excuse that it was the contract of what done it? 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:38.800 Isn't it just And while we're on the topic of privacy, 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.520 et cetera, let's go to abadarby And I'm going to 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.880 open this with a joke which is somewhat unrelated to 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:48.679 the topic. But you know what they're well, you know, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.920 you know what the difference is between Dubai and Abu Dhabi. 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.760 Go on, have a guess, Dubai. 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:57.680 This is going to have something to do with the 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:59.400 fact that that's how you pronounce no, no, no, no. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:00.880 There's a good Flintstones joke. 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:06.440 It's punchline, Jake, I can't remember the punch. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:12.040 Yeah, people in st okay, okay, I'll start get you 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.679 did not watch that last minute of television has been 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:16.800 raised from your memory? What's the difference? 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.000 What's just a curd? Is going to be funny of it? 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.400 Clearly really well, what's. 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.360 The difference between Dubai and Abu Dhrby. 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:25.000 I don't know. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:29.120 People in Dubai don't watch The Flintstones but people in 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.760 Abu Dharby do. Anyway, there you go. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.800 That was a long set up job. 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.760 In anti climax and it is my diary exactly. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.120 How look, look, it's it's probably the highlight of your day. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.800 Do you view at home? But it is somewhat related. 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:51.360 Is somewhat related because of course in The Flintstones, which 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.200 is about the nineteen fifties, is all this futuristic stuff 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.840 going on, and that is exactly what's going on in 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.960 Abu Dharby. Now where they've said that in the Internet 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:04.560 National Airport they're going to enable facial recognition. Now you 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.120 might think of facial recognition, Oh okay, you know, they're just 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:08.760 going to be able to see that you've been in 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:10.920 the airport and they can monitor that you've been in 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.319 the airport. No, this thing is going to allow you 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.920 to move through the airport without producing any papers. So 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:23.600 the camera essentially looks at your face identifies who you are. 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.439 I mean, you don't have to pull out your passport, 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.880 you don't have to pull out a visa because it 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.880 will all be held electronically and they can tell it 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.240 the minute you walk into the airport. It essentially means 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.960 you don't have to go through all the rigmarole that 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.760 you would normally go through going through an international airport. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.400 You just walk in the joint, go through the security 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:47.520 clearance and that's it. You are totally done. And of 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.480 course that sucks people in because they think, well, how 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.640 good is this? It makes the whole process so much 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.440 more streamlined. I don't have to worry about leaving my 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.720 passport at home and all this sort of stuff. But 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.760 just think about it for a minute. If they can 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:06.000 literally track every piece of information they need about you 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.920 to go through an international airport, and going through an 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:13.680 international airport is not an easy task usually, what else 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.800 could they be monitoring when they've got this facial recognition 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.120 And we've talked about this before, a story about I 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.160 think it was the Tube in England where they've been 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.600 using facial recognition technology that can monitor your moods so 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:30.360 they can determine what sort of advertising should potentially be 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:35.560 shown to you. Like, they're literally collecting absolutely everything about you, 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.520 to the point that a camera can look at you 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.679 and know whether you should be in that airport or not, 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.480 whether you've got a visa or not, every single piece 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.480 of that airport that you've moved through before you even 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:46.800 know what you've done. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.120 And it was insane, really concerning about this. Get this, 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.880 This is a direct quote from Chief Information Officer Andrew Murphy. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:58.119 He says it's designed with no pre enrollment required. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.320 Passengers are automatically regnized and authenticated as they moved through 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:06.600 the airport, significantly speeding up the entire process. So he's 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.280 the airport's chief information officer and he's really tooting his 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:15.920 horn about that. But notice no pre enrollment is required. 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.079 So my first question is, hang on a minute. So 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:24.680 I fly into Abu Dhabi, I'm an Australian citizen. How 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.000 is it you have all my information? How is it 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:33.800 that your system can recognize my face, doesn't need my passport? 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.679 And this is why whenever one of these stories come up, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.680 I always argue, do you genuinely think they haven't already 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.360 amassed all this kind of face ID technology? 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.560 Or but we don't know that they're using it here 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:48.280 in Australia. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.679 Yeah, well, but we do know the good guys Bunnings 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:56.040 and Kamar got busted roughly eighteen months ago using this 0:12:56.200 --> 0:12:58.720 on the millions of Ozzies who walked through their doors 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.800 and nobody had a clue. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:02.720 They didn't have to disclose it. 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.240 And again I asked the question, what were you doing 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:07.079 with that info? 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.400 They always treat us like idiots and. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:12.200 Say, oh, we're just doing it to keep people safe, right, 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:17.400 so just stop a handful of shoplifters per week. Everybody 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.120 else has to give up their rights and just live 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:21.440 in a surveillance state. 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:23.599 I don't think so. 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.199 So when you've got a major airport like Abu Dhabi 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.800 just announcing this and saying how grand it is and 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.319 now people can get through security and don't have to 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.079 show any papers and everyone's loving it. 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.400 Hang on a minute, who was asked about this? 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:44.040 Because the massive breach of privacy that we're talking about 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:47.360 the amount of information that thing has to have on 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.679 you and can recognize as soon as it looks at 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:50.160 your base. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.400 And we're talking about an international. 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:58.080 Airport here, So again, where are you getting that kind 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:03.079 of information regarding people from all. 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:03.680 Over the world? 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.720 Just before we missed the idea completely, And I agree 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:07.719 it's not good. 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:09.319 He's lining it up. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:10.240 He's lining it up. 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:12.920 Could not what you're doing? 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.719 Could we not take thirty seconds just to ponder how 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.720 magnificent it would be? They say it would be fifteen 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:21.320 minutes from getting dropped off at the curb outside the 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.600 airport to being at the gate of your plane that's 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:28.680 going through customs, through immigration, getting your boarding pass. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.240 You don't need it. It's all one. 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.000 Of those of them. I will trade in my bo 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.720 it's a valent state. In the name of convenience. 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:37.840 I'm going to it. 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.000 Well, let's go to a cashless society. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.800 Then, in the name of convenience, sign up for your 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:47.240 digital IDMAC. In the name is so combinion, you should 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:47.920 get one. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:49.840 I'm going to agree with you guys that this is 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.200 a bad thing, But just for a moment, let's consider 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.240 if it wasn't so nefarious, how great would this technology be. No, 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.720 it's have you ever stood in a catch like forever? 0:14:59.120 --> 0:14:59.680 I have? 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.440 And then you get it there and you line up 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.880 and trying to get cam immigration. 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:06.400 I do not care. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.560 Like I said, I agree with you, but just for 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.360 a second, it was a great thought. It reminds me 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.640 of the Minority Report. Do you remember that scene where 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.080 is it Tom Cruise and he's walking through a shopping 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.640 center and everything is facial recognition, even the billboards, and 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.240 they recognize him coming towards the billboard and immediately the 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.440 advertisement on the billboard changes. We've already got that with 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:27.240 you know, Instagram. He knows you and knows your algorithms 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:28.640 and changes the advertising. 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:32.239 This would see. This technology is so close. 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.360 To what we've seen on science fiction movies in fairly 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.480 recent times India, it's quite amazing. There's other things as well, 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.960 like your idea could be stolen, you could be mistaken 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.640 because it's not perfect technology, right, So next thing you know, 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:48.640 you're being jumped by securitys. I'm not Caleb Bond, I 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:49.560 promise I'm not. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.480 You be really worried if they thought you were Caleb. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:54.280 That good looking. 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.600 But the other problem, of course, well is even if 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.880 all of those things were not problematic, it's the normalization 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.760 of this technology. It's getting people used to it, first 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:06.880 in the airport and then in every other area. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:08.320 Just the normalization. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.440 It's the implementation of something nobody asks for. We are 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:16.800 talking about a full blown surveillance state, and. 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.360 The power of that is a power that. 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.360 No government should have, but clearly a lot of them 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:27.520 have acquired it, whether it's two hour knowledge or not. 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:30.600 No government should have that kind of power. No government 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.320 should have that much information on you. And in case 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.240 you're sitting at home and you're kind of one of 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:39.560 those case rah people, you know, I'm not a criminal. 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.080 So if you want to track me, track me, I've 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.280 got nothing to lose. You can take my privacy, you 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.720 can take my freedom. I've got nothing to hide. Here's 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.400 a little clip by Andrew Snowden, one of the massively 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.800 original whistleblowers at the NSA, one of the most secretive 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:01.640 government organizations in the world. Here he is trying to 0:17:01.640 --> 0:17:06.720 help everyday people like you and me understand why you 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:07.320 should care. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:12.000 Why should people care about surveillance, Because even if you're 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.960 not doing anything wrong, you're being watched and recorded, and 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:20.840 the storage capability of these systems increases every year consistently 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.520 by orders of magnitude, to where it's getting to the 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.800 point you don't have to have done anything wrong. You 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.119 simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.639 by a wrong call, and then they can use this 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.360 system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.840 you've ever made, every friend you've ever discussed something with, 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:45.400 and attack you on that basis to sort of derive 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.639 suspicion from an innocent life and paint anyone in the 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:50.960 context of a wrongdoer. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:56.879 Whise words from Edward Snowden there people need to realize, 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.840 especially when we're talking about digital ID, this new age 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.560 of digital ID. What he just said is exactly what 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.359 we're already seeing happen in the likes of the UK, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:11.440 who arrested over three thousand people just last year because 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.600 of things they'd interacted. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:14.480 With on Facebook. 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.360 So what he's talking about there is they are putting 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:22.920 together a genormous dossier on you, conversations that you've had, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:24.880 posts that you've interacted with. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.760 Maybe you haven't even interacted with things, but. 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:31.520 You have watched this video on YouTube, You've watched this 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.560 clip on Rumble, you googled this two years ago. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.840 They are building what it is to be you, and. 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:43.480 That kind of power that gives someone complete power to 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:47.840 be able to anticipate your decision making process, what you like, 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.359 what you hate, and to manipulate you because they figured 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.200 out how you tick on any given subject. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.520 It's just freaky, freaky technology. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:01.040 I wish it didn't exist, but I fear that there's 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.000 absolutely no putting the genie back into the bottle at 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:04.520 this point. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.280 And going back to the point that you were making before, James, 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.639 you know, think for thirty seconds about how wonderful the 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.119 convenience of it would be. That's how they suck people in, 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:16.480 because it's, like you know it is. It is terribly convenient, 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.760 and the idea of it sounds so wonderful because who 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:22.679 doesn't want to make their life easier, But it's giving 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:26.920 up that or accepting the easiness, requires you to give 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.159 up so much more that is so much more powerful 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:32.960 and valuable to you in the long run than the 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.720 thirty or forty five minutes that you managed to buy 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:37.240 back by using the technology. 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.440 That thirty seconds that I sat here just thinking about 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.040 how glorious. Had I not had you two sitting beside me, 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:43.040 I reckon, I would have gone. 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:45.879 We're keeping you on the state. 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:47.560 Thank God for both of you. 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:52.000 The US International Air Transport Association surveyed passengers and found 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.919 you will not be surprised. Seventy five percent of passengers 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.760 said they loved the idea thought it was really good. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:00.159 You never know how big those poles are. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.639 I'm like, they could just have interviewed or ah, surveyed 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.639 one hundred people and then been like seventy five percent 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:09.760 of passengers. These guys always seem to turn up the 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.320 research that they want, right look one to roll out 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:14.560 this surveillance system. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.760 Meanwhile, there's been a massive backlash in the. 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.040 US when the TSA announced that they were going to 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:25.600 roll out similar in four hundred airports across the United 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.800 States of America, because people actually care about their privacy 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:32.720 when you're talking about the United States of America and 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:34.639 they've got the guns to back it up. 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.879 Well, I've just run a survey. It's a world first, 0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:42.639 exclusive late debate, exclusive survey. I've surveyed the people in 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:44.280 this room, and I think we've come back with a 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:50.000 one hundred percent denouncement of this technology. One hundred percent 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:52.080 of people say this technology is bad. 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:56.320 How about the survey was legitimate. 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:59.920 They surveyed all the employees of the facial recognition technic 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.480 and seventy five percent so they could. 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:06.320 Let's go to Paris for a second. You remember the. 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.159 Opening ceremony caused huge controversy and upset for Christians around 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:15.280 the world with it mocking the Last Supper, portraying Jesus 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:20.040 as an overweight lesbian and the Disciples as transgendered and 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.159