WEBVTT - Elon Musk's million dollar giveaways

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<v Speaker 1>At a Trump rally in Pennsylvania, Elon Musk takes the stage.

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<v Speaker 2>And he announces that he will start giving out one

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars a day to randomly chosen people that sign

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<v Speaker 2>a petition that he has online.

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<v Speaker 3>So I have a surprise for you, which is that

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<v Speaker 3>we are going to be awarding a million dollars to

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<v Speaker 3>randomly to people who have signed signed the petition every

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<v Speaker 3>day from now until the election.

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<v Speaker 1>Joining Musk is a blonde woman in a red Trump

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<v Speaker 1>Ace T shirt. He hugs her and an assistant hands

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<v Speaker 1>her a giant novelty check.

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<v Speaker 3>So, congratulations so much. Is there anything you want to say?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, well, thank you so much for I mean, I

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<v Speaker 4>truly believe everything you're doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Truly you don't need to be doing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know a lot of us feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen anything like this. I'm not a political reporter. Typically,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a tech reporter. But what he's doing is super unconventional.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just unconventional. What Elon Musk is doing could

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<v Speaker 1>also be illegal, but for Musk, these million dollar checks

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<v Speaker 1>aren't even the tip of the iceberg. Investigative journalist Dana

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<v Speaker 1>Mattioli has uncovered years of secret donations by Musk that

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<v Speaker 1>upend the idea that he's a recent entrant into Trump's orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media, I'm Ribby Jones. This is seven AM

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<v Speaker 1>today on the show. Wall Street Journal reporter Dana Mattioli

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<v Speaker 1>on musk Is billions and how big tech is reshaping

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<v Speaker 1>politics in America. It's Monday, October twenty eight. So, Dana

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<v Speaker 1>elon Musk recently made this big announcement. He'll be giving

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<v Speaker 1>away a million dollars a day until the election. So

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<v Speaker 1>what are his conditions to win?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the conditions are anyone eligible needs to live

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<v Speaker 2>in a swing state, be registered to vote, and they

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<v Speaker 2>need to pledge to uphold these two amendments, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. The

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<v Speaker 2>right to bear arms in particular is something very much

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<v Speaker 2>that Republicans are catalyzed around, and you know, it's generated

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of media buzz. You know, in addition to

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<v Speaker 2>this being a way to get people to potentially register

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<v Speaker 2>to vote if they haven't registered to vote, and generate

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<v Speaker 2>excitement around the campaign, it's also kind of invaluable free

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<v Speaker 2>press for him that would cost way more than a

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars a day for the Trump campaign. If you

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<v Speaker 2>think about it at a time that's really critical point

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<v Speaker 2>in the election. People are now voting early, voting is open.

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<v Speaker 2>So this generated a lot of press for both Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Musk but Donald Trump as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and that's because it is I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>something new. Offering a cash prize in this way. Were

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<v Speaker 1>you surprised when you heard about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Super surprised. So there were a few iterations of this.

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<v Speaker 2>A few weeks ago, he announced this petition and he

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<v Speaker 2>was offering forty seven dollars for anyone who had signed

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<v Speaker 2>it and referred to friend.

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<v Speaker 4>A political petition with financial incentive. Elon Musk is asking

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<v Speaker 4>his followers on x to sign a petition to support

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<v Speaker 4>the Constitution, a petition started by America super Pac, a

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<v Speaker 4>pro Trump group founded by Elon Musk. Musk added earned

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<v Speaker 4>forty seven dollars for every person you refer to sign

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<v Speaker 4>the petition if they're in a swing state.

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<v Speaker 2>And then this is the next iteration, was this million

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<v Speaker 2>dollar drawing every day, random drawing. And it's really unconventional

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<v Speaker 2>to the point where some people think it could be illegal.

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<v Speaker 2>It could get into gray areas as it relates to

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<v Speaker 2>campaign finance laws.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, let's talk about that. How might this breach

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<v Speaker 1>campaign finance laws?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we were able to report that the Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Justice sent a letter to Musk's super pac saying that

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<v Speaker 2>giving these cash payments to registers voters who signed the

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<v Speaker 2>petition might violate federal law. And the big thing here

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<v Speaker 2>is that there are laws in the US that prevent

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<v Speaker 2>anyone from knowingly paying people to register to vote in

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<v Speaker 2>election or paying people to vote in an election. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the conditions to possibly winning this

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<v Speaker 2>lottery is registering to vote. So you know, he's been

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<v Speaker 2>put on warning from the Department of Justice. We'll see

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<v Speaker 2>where that goes.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, Jenn, what do you think the likelihood is

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<v Speaker 1>of the Justice Department attempting to take action against Musk here?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's really difficult to say where they'll net

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<v Speaker 2>out on this. We had a statement from the Pack

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<v Speaker 2>about this, you know, they said the Pack is confident

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<v Speaker 2>in the legality of this initiative and the predictable media

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<v Speaker 2>meltdown is only helping America Pack's efforts to support Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're obviously pleased with all the media They're asserting

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<v Speaker 2>that this is legal, you know. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>even if let's say, you know, the Department of Justice

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<v Speaker 2>is correct and this is illegal, you know, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>there'll be allegations that this is what a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people on the right call law fare. They have a

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<v Speaker 2>theory that the Democrats are using federal agencies to attack

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans that speak out against them or do things that

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like.

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<v Speaker 1>And Daniel, we've spoken before about Musk's support for Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>about his last genations, his super pack. He's been showing

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<v Speaker 1>up at Trump rallies a lot lately. But can we

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<v Speaker 1>talk a bit more about what is motivating Musk at

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<v Speaker 1>this point, what would change for him under a Trump presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, one thing that he and Donald Trump have

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about is some sort of advisory role.

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<v Speaker 6>I will create a Government Efficiency Commission task with conducting

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<v Speaker 6>a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal

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<v Speaker 6>government and making recommendations for drastic reform. And Elon, because

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<v Speaker 6>he's not very busy, has agreed to head that task force, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the summer, Musk hosted Donald Trump on his media

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<v Speaker 2>platform X for a town hall. And the idea for

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<v Speaker 2>this role in the administration being the head of government

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<v Speaker 2>efficiency came up, and that seems to be something that

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<v Speaker 2>Elon's really grasped onto. He thinks that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of inefficiency in government, that there's too much waste, there's

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<v Speaker 2>too much bloating, it's really slow, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>red tape. So that seems to be an area that

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<v Speaker 2>he's really focused on. But we also know that part

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<v Speaker 2>of this is irrespective of his companies. He's concerned about

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<v Speaker 2>things like illegal immigration. He's concerned about things like crime.

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<v Speaker 5>If Trump blizzes, we're going to see you know, our

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<v Speaker 5>studies are going to get less safe, borders obviously going

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<v Speaker 5>to be wide open. We're going to see governors spending

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<v Speaker 5>go ballistic, it's inflation go nuts. It's going to be

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<v Speaker 5>just bad On.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't like what he considers a democratic agenda to

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<v Speaker 2>provide gender affirming care for minors or you know, policies

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<v Speaker 2>around diversity, equity, and inclusion. So it goes beyond his

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<v Speaker 2>business interests as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up after the break, how dark money is shaping

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<v Speaker 1>the Rice Jana. In order to win this cash prize,

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<v Speaker 1>a person would need to live in one of the

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<v Speaker 1>swing states, so we're talking about Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada. So

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<v Speaker 1>can you tell me just how close the race is

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<v Speaker 1>in some of these states?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, some of these states are extremely close, and

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<v Speaker 2>depending on the polls, it's changing by the day. In

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<v Speaker 2>some of those states, that could come down to certain

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<v Speaker 2>districts that decide for the state. Right, So it is

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<v Speaker 2>an all out fight right now between the Republicans and

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats to find these voters and get them to commit

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<v Speaker 2>to either voting now, voting by mail, or figuring out

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<v Speaker 2>a plan to get them to the polls because these

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<v Speaker 2>are really razors and margins.

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<v Speaker 1>With that in mind, then can you tell me a

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about what Trump's campaign has been doing in

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<v Speaker 1>these swing states to try and get people to vote

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<v Speaker 1>for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's really fascinating. We reported that a while ago

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the Republican National Convention spoke to Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and he told Trump that the RNC could do

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<v Speaker 2>two things for you. We could help you with your

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<v Speaker 2>ground game, and we could help you with election integrity.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump erected the RNC not to worry about the

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<v Speaker 2>crownd game. He said, you know, my people will show

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<v Speaker 2>up no matter what. Only focus on election integrity. So

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<v Speaker 2>the Trump campaign really did not have much of a

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<v Speaker 2>focus on ground game efforts, and that's partially why Elon

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<v Speaker 2>got involved here. Elon sets up the super Pack with

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of taking a lot of that on he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to you know, he had a stated goal of

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<v Speaker 2>getting eight hundred thousand people in those swing states that

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<v Speaker 2>were low propensity voters to change their minds and go

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<v Speaker 2>place a vote. Part of that is knocking on doors,

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<v Speaker 2>having conversations, getting people registered, and like, now we're two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks out, the proof will being the pudding as to

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<v Speaker 2>whether Trump wins or not. But you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>all new for Elon. He's not typically a political operative.

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<v Speaker 2>He hasn't run super packs in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not I don't want to be in politics. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to be clear, that is not my preference. I

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<v Speaker 3>like I just like building stuff. I like building products

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<v Speaker 3>that people love, and I you know, I derive joy

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<v Speaker 3>from seeing people enjoy the products that my companies make.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they've had a lot of stumbles along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>They've fired lots of different vendors that were doing this

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<v Speaker 2>very work for them, you know, and had disruptions in

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<v Speaker 2>their ground game efforts. And what we were able to

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<v Speaker 2>find out is that because of some of these stumbles

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<v Speaker 2>that the pack had and continuity issues, at one point,

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<v Speaker 2>the pack was paying these canvassers thirty dollars per door,

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<v Speaker 2>which is an astronomical fee. Typically for campaign door knocking

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<v Speaker 2>you're paid between like four and five dollars a door.

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<v Speaker 2>So just to give you a sense of the scope here,

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<v Speaker 2>So that was like another one of these weird inconsistencies

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<v Speaker 2>we found with the super Pack.

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<v Speaker 1>Dana, You're a tech reporter, not traditionally a political reporter.

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<v Speaker 1>So what does it tell you about the growing power

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<v Speaker 1>and influence of big tech that you are now really

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<v Speaker 1>reporting on the presidential election.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really good point. If you would have asked

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<v Speaker 2>me a year ago, if I'd be so steeped in

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<v Speaker 2>this presidential election, I would have left. You know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you think about tech, these are some of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>market caps of companies in the world. They're some of

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest employers in the US. And these are some

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<v Speaker 2>celebrity CEOs where they're known, people like Mark Zuckerberg and

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Bezos and Elon Musker household names right, and the

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<v Speaker 2>selection cycle. What we've seen is they've become major mega

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<v Speaker 2>donors we have Elon Musk giving at least seventy five

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars the selection cycle and more coming. We have

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<v Speaker 2>people like Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft, giving fifty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars to Kamala Harris Reed Hastings, the CEO of Netflix,

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<v Speaker 2>is also a Harris backer. And I mean, these are

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that we know. There's so much money being

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<v Speaker 2>funneled by billionaires through dark money organizations going to help

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<v Speaker 2>the candidates as well that will never be revealed.

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<v Speaker 1>And why is that, Dana, Because in Australia we might

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<v Speaker 1>not know who is donating to politicians in real time,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are able to find out eventually. But it

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<v Speaker 1>seems that what ends up being revealed in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>it really comes down to the work of people like you,

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<v Speaker 1>building sources and relying on links to ultimately expose how

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<v Speaker 1>dark money works.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's fascinating is if you're a billionaire in the

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<v Speaker 2>US and you have, you know, the resources to have

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<v Speaker 2>well paid lawyers and advisors set up, you're able to

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<v Speaker 2>spread your money and influence campaigns behind the scenes without

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<v Speaker 2>anyone knowing. And for years that's exactly what Elon Musk did.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone thinks that Elon Musk became political this election, and

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<v Speaker 2>what we were able to find at the Wall Street

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<v Speaker 2>Journal through a lot of time spent investigating his dark

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<v Speaker 2>money patterns, is that his GOP and Republican donation started

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<v Speaker 2>much earlier. In twenty twenty two, for instance, we were

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<v Speaker 2>able to find that Elon gave more than fifty million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to an organization run by Stephen Miller and Steven

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<v Speaker 2>Miller was Donald Trump's anti immigrations are during his first campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>and this money funded a series of really explosive advertisements

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two, right before the midterm elections, and

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<v Speaker 2>no one really knew who was funding them. It was

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<v Speaker 2>this mystery for a really long time until a few

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago we reported that it was Elon Musk. We

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<v Speaker 2>were also able to find through our sources that Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Musk's first pick for president was not Donald Trump, who's

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<v Speaker 2>thrown all of his weight behind and all of his

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<v Speaker 2>money behind. He actually secretly gave Governor Ron DeSantis of

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<v Speaker 2>Florida ten million dollars last year for his presidential election efforts.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's tons of dark money pools like that that

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<v Speaker 2>these billionaires rely on to influence things behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, when you think about those sums of money,

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<v Speaker 1>it is pretty extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>But Dana, thank you so much for your time today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, the Liberal National Party has

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<v Speaker 1>won Queensland's state election, Leader David Chrisofullies. Win ends a

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<v Speaker 1>decade of labor rule in the state. The LMP ran

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<v Speaker 1>on a cost of living and tough on crime agenda,

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<v Speaker 1>promising that young people who commit serious crimes would be

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<v Speaker 1>charged as adults. Abortion was a late surprise issue in

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<v Speaker 1>the contest and is thought to have tightened the gap

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<v Speaker 1>between the two major parties. And Israel has struck back

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<v Speaker 1>at Iran, launching attacks on missile manufacturing and launch sites

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<v Speaker 1>across three provinces. The US had counseled Israel not to

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<v Speaker 1>strike oil or nuclear facilities in a bid to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>a retaliatory escalation from Iran. The attacks by Israel were

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<v Speaker 1>in response to Iran's missile attacks on Israel earlier this month. Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>this is seven am. See you tomorrow.