WEBVTT - Saul Griffith on how the major parties could get to net zero 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.640 Two five is a group of suburbs South Sydney in 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.720 the postcode two five one five and we wanted to 0:00:07.760 --> 0:00:11.720 sort of fast forward a community to the future. We 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:17.079 are home to the first community led electrification pilot in Australia. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:19.760 We're going to help five hundred homes in the community 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:21.880 electrifying one our hot water. 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:25.680 In a coastal corner of Australia. Scientist Saul Griffith has 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.800 been quietly working away on a plan to turn five 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.960 hundred households completely off fossil fuels. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.199 We can do this electrification which will both decarbonize us. 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:39.000 It should also lower our cost of energy and it 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:42.120 should be able to be all possible with small changes 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:45.280 to the local grid and then small changes to people's households. 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:46.360 Why would we do that? 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.080 An electric home uses less energy, it's cheaper to run, 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.519 is healthier to live in and best of. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.400 All, if we do it together as a community, it's easier, 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:57.200 hopefully a little more fun, and. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.080 We can show the rest of Australia how we can 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.200 create our electric future today. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.680 And so we ran that project idea up the pole. 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:08.600 That Arena Australias Neural Energy Agency arguing for the importance 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.640 of this in terms of our national emissions and in 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.080 terms of helping households through this energy transition. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.320 The Albanezi government through Arena is supporting the Electrified two 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.040 five one five project with a grade of five point 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:21.959 four million dollars. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:25.199 And so we got enough money to provide a small 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:29.720 subsidy to a bunch of houses to electrify their stoves, 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.880 their water heaters, their space heaters. Trying to figure out 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:34.920 how to do this cheaper for all of the other 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.160 communities that they are going to follow, figure out how 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:39.240 to do it in fair and equitable way so that 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:41.560 we can have a justin fair transition. 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.520 And he hopes that what he achieves there can act 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.240 as a blueprint for the rest of the country. But 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.960 for that to become a reality, the federal government and 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.360 industry would need to drastically increase their commitment. 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:55.520 Well, if we were really shooting for a one and 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.280 a half or two degree climate target, every Australian community 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.320 would be pretty much fully electrified by early twenty forties. 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:05.840 And so we know that if we do this it's 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.640 going to save the country trillions of dollars. So you know, 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.640 as well of us wanting to do it for climate reasons. 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:17.200 It's just a good idea for the country. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:22.840 From Schwartz Media. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am today, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:27.360 chief scientist at Rewiring Australia. Saw Griffith on the electrification 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:30.919 already underway and what both sides of politics are promising 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:40.560 for our energy future. It's Tuesday, April twenty two, So 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.280 Saul zooming out, where would you say that we are 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.080 at in Australia right now in terms of households moving 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:52.320 away from energy generated by fossil fuels to living in 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.480 a clean electricity environment. 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.919 We'd lead the world absolutely in terms of rooftop solar, 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.160 like thirty five forty percent of homes now I have 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.280 rooftop solar that probably will go all the way up 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.919 to eighty percent because it just keeps getting to be 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.000 cheaper and better economics. Cars we're not going as fast 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.080 as we could compared to say Norway, where honestly, by 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.000 the end of twenty twenty five nearly one hundred percent 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.960 of vehicles will be electric. We are in the middle 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:19.799 of the pack on heat pumps for water heating and 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.680 space eating. We go about fifty percent at electric cooking. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.640 We're doing okay, not quite as good as Asia. So 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.520 we're doing well and we have this structural advantage now 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.080 cheap solar, but the long term savings overrunning them for 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.280 ten or fifteen years on much much cheaper energy is 0:03:35.640 --> 0:03:37.880 where we save the money. So it's about getting that 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.640 upfront assistance and that argues for a government's role in 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:42.280 helping that. 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.360 Let's talk about that a little more. I mean, there is, 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.560 as you say, this huge uptake in solar. I think 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:51.240 it's one in three Australian households that have solar panels now, 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:54.040 but it's not the same with batteries. It's one in 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.960 forty households that have a battery. So in that context, 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:03.040 how significant is anthony easiest promise to subsidize home batteries. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:03.840 A lot of. 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:07.160 People won't remember it, but it was under a Howard 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:11.880 government where Howard first encouraged some rebates for solar and 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.320 some generous feed in tariffs. That was in the early 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.880 two thousands, and at that time solar was more expensive 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.160 than it was from the grid. But offering those incentives 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.400 it helped build an industry. It helped train the tradees 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.800 who do the installations, It helped bring the cost of 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.800 the product down and we're in the same place in 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.480 twenty twenty five with batteries as we were with solar 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.880 in say twenty ten, so almost competitive with the market. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.480 So these incentives will help build capacity to install them, 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:45.000 it will help the electricity distribution companies figure out how 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:48.240 to absorb them into the grid, and it will bring 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.039 down the cost for every future battery. So by the 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.640 time this program has run its course, as is the 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.039 case with solar today, the batteries will make total economic 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.640 sense and so it looks like good policy, I suppose. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.480 So we're talking a lot about what individuals and what 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:07.560 households can do and the ways in which those options 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.760 might be cheaper, while obviously also coming with the advantage 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.800 of being better for the environment. But what proportion of 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.080 emissions in Australia actually come from household use? 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.760 So in terms of how significant our household emissions in Australia, 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.720 I think, first it's worth understanding sixty percent of our 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:28.719 emissions are in support of our domestic economy. So that's 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:33.640 burning gas in Australia to cook a meal, it's burning petrol, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:36.320 and Australia drive a car burning coal in Australia to 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.400 use electricity use in Australia. But about forty percent of 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:43.359 our emissions is dedicated to things that ultimately we ship 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.839 overseas as part of our trade. So that's using diesel 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.840 to mind coal or diesel to extract gas and then 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.720 we send that overseas, and so those emissions happen overseas. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:56.719 So anyway, of the sixty percent of our emissions which 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:02.040 are domestic, about forty two percent of those are from 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:06.880 the cars in our households and the appliances in our households, 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.440 and then another thirty percent of our emissions is our 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:14.400 cars used in small business and commercially, and in our 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.240 buildings used for small businesses and commercial activity including schools 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.520 and churches and surf clubs. They go under the commercial sector. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.320 So seventy percent of our domestic emissions can be addressed 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.640 with technologies that are available today, solar batteries, electric vehicles, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.240 electric appliances. I'm a strong proponent that we should be 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.880 doing the things that work economically and work for emissions 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.320 reductions right now, and that's where they are. And if 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:41.080 we do that this decade, then we buy ourselves enough 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:45.200 time for the remaining pieces of the industrial decarbonization puzzle 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:49.680 to come into focus and to become economically viable. But 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.520 the reality is we're a big export nation. That's where 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:58.840 the very large contribution from industrial emissions happens in Australia 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:02.640 is from from the diesel. It's used to pull the 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.360 coal out of the ground and the natural gas out 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.760 of the ground and send it off to Asian and 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:11.000 European markets. So we need to be, if not first 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:13.000 in top runner in the field in all of these 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.280 big export industries that use huge amounts of energy. But 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.360 we're not spending enough money on the research on the 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.880 new processes. We're not really thinking outside the box, and 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:27.840 that's because the industry is a slow moving and heavy 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:28.640 hitting lobbyist. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.560 Coming up after the break, what does global leadership actually 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:36.400 look like when it comes to facing the climate crisis. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:42.440 Hi, I'm Daniel James. Seven AM tells stories that need 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.400 to be told. Our journalism is founded on trust and 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:50.440 independence and now we're increasing our coverage. Every Saturday until 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.160 the election will bring you an extra episode to break 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.840 down the biggest political moments of the week. If you 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.280 enjoy seven AM, the best way you can support us 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.960 is by making a contribution at seven am podcast dot 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:06.000 com dot a slash support. Thanks for listening and supporting 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:06.440 our work. 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:12.880 So in terms of sort of political will, do you 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:17.040 see either Dutton or Albanezi's approach as we get closer 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.400 to this election and the promises that have been made 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.920 as I suppose being up to meeting the challenge. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:25.480 Well, the headline the Future Made in Australia is pretty good, 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.480 you know. The one challenge with Australia is we seem 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:32.439 to very much like underwriting the existing market players as 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:37.480 opposed to supporting disruptive innovation. So in theory we should 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.600 all like Future Made in Australia. But if it's large 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:42.400 hand oubts to the existing industries to go slow, that's 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.199 not going to be as good as funding the young, 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.840 hungry entrepreneurs who want to completely replace those industries with 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:51.559 a better industry. So I'd like to see that happening. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.640 Under the coalition. Energy will become affordable and reliable. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:59.360 Again using Dutton really hasn't said anything about industrial policy 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:03.520 and terms of energy policy. Nuclear that is almost certainly 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.760 going to be publicly unpopular, isn't going to get in 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:09.400 the ground until twenty forty, doesn't solve any real problems 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:10.600 that the Australian grid has. 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.280 We will join the other nineteen top economies in the 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:20.920 world in adopting proven zero missions nuclear power. This is 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.280 one of the most visionary and necessary policies put forward 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:25.720 in our country's history. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.800 I mean, there's some good work. The brag Inquiry on 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.400 the economics household electrication, which came from Liberals, pointed to 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.160 the fact that this is good for the country and 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.080 it's going to save people money. So there's a little 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.000 bit to celebrate in all teams, But no big industrial 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:41.640 vision for the nation from Dunton. 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.360 And the only way to drive down power prices quickly 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:48.040 is to ramp up domestic gas production and tonight I 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:49.520 announce our national Gas Plan. 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.120 But you know what we need is genuine political leadership 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:56.440 as well as policy. We haven't really seen leading from 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.679 the top on climate under this labor government. Chris Bam 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:01.959 has been good, but the nation would like to hear 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:03.160 it from the boss. 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.880 Thirty three percent renewable energy on the day we came 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:09.280 to office, forty six percent in the last quarter of 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.920 last year, and renewables are set to overtake coal as 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:17.720 the largest source of our electricity this year. That's good progress, 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.319 but there's more to do, much more to do. 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.480 The Independence and Greens are pushing the right things, but 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:26.520 we just need to all of it needs to go 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.560 so much faster than any politician is really conceiving of 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.199 if we're going to have any hope of keeping the 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:34.480 world under two degrees warming. 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:37.920 In his Budget reply speech, Peter Dutton said that he 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:43.720 would end labors rewiring the Nation Renewable Energy Focused Fund 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.400 the nineteen point five billion dollar one in favor of gas, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.800 coal and nuclear. So can you just tell me a 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.080 bit about how that money is currently spent and what 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.400 would happen if Dunton was to get in and it 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:55.800 was cut. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.960 Rewiring the Nation was twenty billion dollars earmarked for big 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.520 transmission to move electricity long distance across Australia. My understanding 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.640 is because the transmission companies get paid to build the 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.200 wise that they've already allocated the great majority of that 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:14.240 twenty billion dollars. It's already out the door. So I 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.560 think Dutton's it's an empty promise. I don't think he 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.720 can claw it back at this point. We also understand 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:24.080 that one billion of that twenty got reallocated from rewiring 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.960 the nation towards the HUE, which was the Home Energy 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.520 Upgrade Fund to do household electrication and similar things. So 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:34.760 maybe they could call that back. That would be a 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.280 bad idea. It would be politically unpopular because it's helping 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.760 households do things that make their cost a living lower. 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.080 So feels like an empty threat to me. 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.560 Okay. And just finally, as as back on the idea 0:11:46.800 --> 0:11:49.559 of leadership, you know, we hear a lot about the 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:53.360 importance of global leadership when we're talking about climate change, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.360 But what type of leadership do you think is actually 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.840 likely to influence schoolbal change. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:04.079 Well, the influence that really works is when you prove 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.760 by example that this is a better way to live. 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:09.160 This is the point of the two five to one 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:13.560 to five project. And you know, it's pretty cool. We're 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.840 oversubscribed on households who want to join. It's the I 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:18.880 swim in my local swim pool every morning and there's 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.120 somebody's asking me questions about this or that or the other, 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.000 and it's sort of you can see it catching on 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.319 and being a sort of good idea for the community. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.360 So that kind of leadership showing that it can work 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:31.880 showing that it improves the economics for community, showing it 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.640 on the global stage that helps everyone move along. Similarly, 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.760 I have a friend in New Zealand, Mike Casey. He 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:41.400 runs the world's first all electric cherry farm. He electrified 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:45.520 his frost fans, he bought the first two electric tractors 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:48.800 in the Southern Hemisphere, put giant amount of solar on 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:53.400 his barn, and because of the nature of the electricity 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.760 tariffs in New Zealand, he's able to I think he's 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.960 saving forty to seventy thousand dollars a year on his 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.960 cost of energy because electricity is so much cheaper than 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.680 diesel to do the same thing. He's earning an extra 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.360 twenty or thirty thousand dollars a year selling his excess 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.920 solar electricity back into the grid. And honestly, that's a 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.600 story that could be true for most Australian farmers. There's 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:18.360 a huge opportunity in using our existing agricultural rooftops that's 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:22.000 barns and sheds, putting solar on those, connecting those into 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:26.480 the grid, fixing the regulatory and the electricity market rules 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.559 so that the farmers get paid the same price as 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.319 the other generators and then you would have I think 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.920 you'd have a big change in the politics of electrification 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:36.640 in the regions. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:37.400 You know. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.680 So I look to the Coalition, I look to Done 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.840 and like, there's a huge opportunity to help your people 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.360 get on with this energy transition in a way that 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:52.040 benefits them economically. So we've got a lot to boast 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:56.319 in Australia because agricultural electrication for all but the largest 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.719 combine harvesters is now a sensible, lower cost way to 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.360 run farm, all electric households, lowest way to run your household, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.400 all electric cars, cheapest cars to run. So the economics 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.600 is good. It's going to improve health outcomes. These machines 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.760 are cheaper and easier to maintain because they've got fewer 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.000 moving parts. Like, there's just a lot of winning to 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.800 be had, and leadership is showing that winning happening in 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:26.400 practice helping communities. I think with some creativity, our politicians 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.280 could be speaking to a whole bunch of different constituencies 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.320 in Australia on how this is going to be economically 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.920 and culturally and health wise. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:39.680 Good for you, So thank you so much for your time. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:40.600 Thank you very much. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.240 Also in the news, today, a Peter Dutton led government 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.280 would pilot a national register for child sex offenders. The 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.360 Coalition has announced twelvemonth pilot program would allow parents to 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.600 apply to police for information about whether an individual who 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.120 interacts with their children is a convicted sex offender. It's 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.720 part of the seven hundred and fifty million dollar package 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:15.840 called Operation Safer Communities revealed over the easter break. The 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.040 plan includes a tightening of border security and safety laws 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.320 and extra funding for police. The Coalition is expected to 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.000 focus on issues including national security, crime and defense in 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.920 the lead up to the election on May three, and 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:32.400 Anthony Abernesi has labeled Russia's attempts for a military presence 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.520 in Indonesia as propaganda, as Moscow's ambassador to Indonesia said, 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.680 Australia has no cards to play. As the Coalition continues 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.200 to demand a briefing on the national security issue that 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.400 has dominated the past week of the election debate, Senior 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:50.040 Labour figures have mocked the request, with Anthony Albenzi saying 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.400 he's waiting for a briefing on who faked the moon 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.000 landing and Labour Front bencher Murray Watt comparing the coalition's 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.120 request to ask for a briefing on the Lochness Monster 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.640 be joins. This is seven a m. Thanks for listening.