1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:13,681 Speaker 1: Apoge, production, life stuff, life, parenting. 2 00:00:14,281 --> 00:00:16,361 Speaker 2: We're doing life together and we're just going to. 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,161 Speaker 3: Tell you all about it. 4 00:00:17,601 --> 00:00:21,921 Speaker 1: I hate the word perimenopause. I can't We're not in menopause. 5 00:00:21,961 --> 00:00:23,001 Speaker 4: Like, it's making me angry. 6 00:00:23,761 --> 00:00:30,361 Speaker 1: What Welcome back to another bonus episode of Who even 7 00:00:30,521 --> 00:00:30,881 Speaker 1: Are We? 8 00:00:31,081 --> 00:00:31,521 Speaker 3: Today? 9 00:00:31,641 --> 00:00:34,721 Speaker 1: We are talking about the fact that rach will not 10 00:00:34,841 --> 00:00:36,241 Speaker 1: let her daughter have a phone. 11 00:00:36,721 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 2: I mean, if you've been listening to us for you 12 00:00:39,521 --> 00:00:42,521 Speaker 2: know how many years we've been banging on about parenting. 13 00:00:43,241 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: I am one of those parents that believes that you 14 00:00:47,321 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: don't need a device just yet. And my girls are 15 00:00:50,361 --> 00:00:53,601 Speaker 2: ten and twelve, and I still stand with the fact 16 00:00:53,681 --> 00:00:56,961 Speaker 2: that I don't want them on you know, data streaming. 17 00:00:57,441 --> 00:01:01,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I agree with you, Yeah, but I do 18 00:01:01,561 --> 00:01:04,841 Speaker 1: have a slightly different approach because yes, I agree with 19 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,001 Speaker 1: what you're saying, do I like, I mean minus seventeen 20 00:01:09,761 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: can't stop them now. However, we did get our girls 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,761 Speaker 1: a phone the summer holidays of year six going into 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: year seven. 23 00:01:18,961 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 4: What's that age like? Eleven? 24 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,761 Speaker 3: Elsie's Elsie? 25 00:01:22,081 --> 00:01:25,401 Speaker 2: She's like literally eleven and she'll be turning twelve doing 26 00:01:25,441 --> 00:01:25,721 Speaker 2: the same. 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:26,121 Speaker 3: Yeah. 28 00:01:26,241 --> 00:01:30,641 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now we have had restrictions. I still have restrictions. Now, 29 00:01:30,681 --> 00:01:34,041 Speaker 1: their phones still come down at a certain time on 30 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,121 Speaker 1: school nights, so they're not sat up there scrolling. However, 31 00:01:38,761 --> 00:01:43,321 Speaker 1: what I will say is when they go to high school, 32 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: most of their social activity and invitations and birthday parties 33 00:01:49,361 --> 00:01:50,521 Speaker 1: and all the rest. 34 00:01:50,281 --> 00:01:52,481 Speaker 4: Of it comes via Snapchat. 35 00:01:53,201 --> 00:01:57,881 Speaker 1: So my fear would be that Gracey's going to miss 36 00:01:57,921 --> 00:02:01,601 Speaker 1: out on those social invitations if she's not on the 37 00:02:01,641 --> 00:02:03,481 Speaker 1: same platforms her friends are. 38 00:02:03,721 --> 00:02:08,081 Speaker 2: Ye, I completely agree. It doesn't change my view at 39 00:02:08,121 --> 00:02:08,881 Speaker 2: all on it. 40 00:02:08,881 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: It's almost like her friends have an understanding of how 41 00:02:13,281 --> 00:02:18,801 Speaker 1: I feel and what her boundaries are. For now around phones, 42 00:02:19,081 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: She's still got a laptop, she's still got an iPad, 43 00:02:22,401 --> 00:02:26,561 Speaker 1: and they're used within healthy spaces in the house, in 44 00:02:26,601 --> 00:02:30,601 Speaker 1: front of adults, And that is just where. 45 00:02:30,401 --> 00:02:32,561 Speaker 3: I'm at in terms of restrictive measures. 46 00:02:32,561 --> 00:02:35,921 Speaker 2: Obviously there's restrictions on what they can and can't get into. 47 00:02:36,281 --> 00:02:40,201 Speaker 2: But I've had like every invite sent via her laptop 48 00:02:40,401 --> 00:02:42,641 Speaker 2: or her iPad and then she forwards it onto me. 49 00:02:43,481 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: For now, I can totally see where it's coming from, 50 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,321 Speaker 2: and I understand Snapchat and I get that they're all 51 00:02:48,361 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: going to have it, But just right now, whilst we're 52 00:02:51,281 --> 00:02:53,641 Speaker 2: in this age, I don't think my girls are missing 53 00:02:53,641 --> 00:02:56,681 Speaker 2: out on anything. They still have contact and they still 54 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: have friends, like you know, facetiming and doing all of that. 55 00:03:00,481 --> 00:03:03,521 Speaker 2: So like, I get it, and I know it's coming, 56 00:03:03,841 --> 00:03:07,041 Speaker 2: but for now, where you can keep the boundaries a 57 00:03:07,041 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: little bit tighter on it, I think, just while I can, 58 00:03:10,601 --> 00:03:11,361 Speaker 2: I'm going to do it. 59 00:03:12,201 --> 00:03:13,881 Speaker 4: Have you got an age in mind? 60 00:03:14,401 --> 00:03:17,281 Speaker 2: Like I'm pro like the social media band, but there 61 00:03:17,361 --> 00:03:19,921 Speaker 2: is a reasoning and there's scientific backing as to why 62 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,801 Speaker 2: they're doing it. And I believe, like if you're to 63 00:03:23,921 --> 00:03:26,721 Speaker 2: go through the whole scientific background, with the whole brain 64 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,201 Speaker 2: development where kids' brains actually develop, and what they can 65 00:03:30,281 --> 00:03:33,601 Speaker 2: and can't do, and knowing what my brain can and 66 00:03:33,641 --> 00:03:38,681 Speaker 2: can't still do with social media channels and differentiating between 67 00:03:38,761 --> 00:03:41,361 Speaker 2: what's real and what's not, and what body types and 68 00:03:41,401 --> 00:03:44,601 Speaker 2: this and that. Like I'm a forty year old grown woman. 69 00:03:45,001 --> 00:03:48,081 Speaker 2: I have two young girls that are very influential, and 70 00:03:48,161 --> 00:03:49,961 Speaker 2: I don't want them consuming. 71 00:03:49,921 --> 00:03:51,601 Speaker 3: That type of data. 72 00:03:51,681 --> 00:03:54,521 Speaker 2: I don't want them to end up where some people 73 00:03:54,841 --> 00:03:57,521 Speaker 2: end up, you know, like where they think that everything 74 00:03:57,561 --> 00:03:59,561 Speaker 2: that they see and consume. 75 00:03:59,241 --> 00:04:00,441 Speaker 3: Online is real. 76 00:04:01,161 --> 00:04:03,561 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I need them to stay in touch with 77 00:04:03,601 --> 00:04:06,681 Speaker 2: the real world for now, just for now. Just to 78 00:04:06,721 --> 00:04:09,121 Speaker 2: answer your question, is there an age in mind? I've 79 00:04:09,161 --> 00:04:11,401 Speaker 2: always been around the whole fact that you know when 80 00:04:11,401 --> 00:04:13,481 Speaker 2: you start to pay for your own phone, because I 81 00:04:13,521 --> 00:04:18,121 Speaker 2: believe that they need the responsibility of once I get 82 00:04:18,121 --> 00:04:21,481 Speaker 2: a job and then the job pays for whatever you 83 00:04:21,561 --> 00:04:24,081 Speaker 2: call it, like phone bills or credit or whatever. Yes, 84 00:04:24,201 --> 00:04:26,241 Speaker 2: I understand that or full on mind, but they need 85 00:04:26,281 --> 00:04:30,081 Speaker 2: to understand that with things they have responsibilities, and responsibilities 86 00:04:30,121 --> 00:04:32,001 Speaker 2: mean that they have to pay for things as well. 87 00:04:32,681 --> 00:04:35,841 Speaker 2: I think for me, I was around fourteen fifteen. 88 00:04:36,001 --> 00:04:38,401 Speaker 3: We'll see how it goes. We're just tracking it. 89 00:04:38,961 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: And the way around it Katie is I just say 90 00:04:41,761 --> 00:04:44,801 Speaker 2: it's working for now and we'll revisit it in six 91 00:04:44,841 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 2: months time. 92 00:04:45,641 --> 00:04:46,081 Speaker 3: Yeah. 93 00:04:46,161 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: The funny part of this is then we get to 94 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,921 Speaker 2: the part where Elsie's now going to a school which 95 00:04:51,961 --> 00:04:56,001 Speaker 2: is like forty five minutes away, and it's just so 96 00:04:56,161 --> 00:04:59,041 Speaker 2: far away. Now I've got so many moving parts, two 97 00:04:59,161 --> 00:05:02,321 Speaker 2: kids at two different schools an hour away, so many 98 00:05:02,361 --> 00:05:03,041 Speaker 2: moving parts. 99 00:05:03,121 --> 00:05:06,361 Speaker 3: So here I go into Norman and I. 100 00:05:06,281 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: Say to the guy, hey, mate, I was like just 101 00:05:08,801 --> 00:05:11,801 Speaker 2: looking for like two Bona phones, Like what kind of Bernafines, 102 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:16,761 Speaker 2: you have his face. Katie just dropped. He goes sorry, 103 00:05:17,521 --> 00:05:21,561 Speaker 2: and I went, uh, you know, like nokiers, like flip phones, 104 00:05:21,681 --> 00:05:23,721 Speaker 2: shit that doesn't have data on it, like I just 105 00:05:23,761 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 2: need to text and call. 106 00:05:26,561 --> 00:05:29,081 Speaker 4: He thinks you're a drug dealer. 107 00:05:29,161 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: I'm walking in in like full active where I'm looking 108 00:05:32,361 --> 00:05:37,361 Speaker 2: at him thinking you're a weirdo for questioning me about 109 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: wanting a Berona phone. 110 00:05:38,761 --> 00:05:41,761 Speaker 1: You called it a Berna phone. That's the problem if 111 00:05:41,801 --> 00:05:45,601 Speaker 1: you just said, okay, here's a completely different scenario. Right, 112 00:05:46,041 --> 00:05:49,241 Speaker 1: you walk into Harvey Norman and you go, hey, may 113 00:05:49,401 --> 00:05:51,681 Speaker 1: I've got two young children who I don't want to 114 00:05:51,721 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: have an iPhone yet. Do you have like a phone 115 00:05:54,561 --> 00:05:56,281 Speaker 1: that doesn't have data or apps? 116 00:05:56,401 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 4: Okay, that's the way to say. 117 00:05:58,601 --> 00:06:03,401 Speaker 1: You walked in saying Bern a phone like you're some criminal, 118 00:06:04,401 --> 00:06:08,081 Speaker 1: like in bold in all sorts of underworld dark behavior. 119 00:06:08,241 --> 00:06:10,041 Speaker 4: I actually looked at you funny. 120 00:06:10,761 --> 00:06:13,961 Speaker 2: In my head, I just thought I was funny, and 121 00:06:14,001 --> 00:06:16,521 Speaker 2: I was like but at the same time, he. 122 00:06:16,401 --> 00:06:19,561 Speaker 3: Didn't put it. He didn't get it. He did not 123 00:06:19,721 --> 00:06:21,161 Speaker 3: get what I was asking for it. 124 00:06:21,281 --> 00:06:24,161 Speaker 2: And he was like, sorry, a burn afone And I 125 00:06:24,241 --> 00:06:26,521 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you know, like just calls and texts, 126 00:06:26,521 --> 00:06:28,881 Speaker 2: and like if it gets damaged, it gets damaged, like 127 00:06:29,401 --> 00:06:32,921 Speaker 2: under digging even more of a hole. And then he goes, no, 128 00:06:33,081 --> 00:06:35,841 Speaker 2: we don't. I was like, just Nokias, Like, surely you 129 00:06:35,841 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 2: got knock hers. I was like, Sam told me that 130 00:06:38,161 --> 00:06:40,921 Speaker 2: they saw Nockias at Harvey normand in the valley. 131 00:06:41,121 --> 00:06:41,841 Speaker 3: That's all I'm after. 132 00:06:42,001 --> 00:06:43,281 Speaker 4: You know where you can get it from. Have you 133 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:44,561 Speaker 4: got one, by the way, Yeah? 134 00:06:44,561 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 2: I ended up going into just Tell Stra. I probably 135 00:06:47,121 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: paid overs how much did you pay? Seventy bucks? 136 00:06:50,281 --> 00:06:53,721 Speaker 1: Rach I got one and he needed it for something 137 00:06:53,761 --> 00:06:58,481 Speaker 1: different and it wasn't drug dealing or anything like that. 138 00:06:59,081 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: I bought one for five dollars from the poster. 139 00:07:01,401 --> 00:07:03,801 Speaker 3: Five dollars What does it do? 140 00:07:04,281 --> 00:07:06,521 Speaker 4: Nothing? Just phone calls, text messages. 141 00:07:06,801 --> 00:07:11,161 Speaker 2: Yeah, it also has I've paid well and truly it. 142 00:07:11,161 --> 00:07:13,001 Speaker 4: Has Bluetooth capability. 143 00:07:13,681 --> 00:07:16,401 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, five dollars, I've done a look. 144 00:07:16,481 --> 00:07:16,681 Speaker 3: Look. 145 00:07:16,721 --> 00:07:20,321 Speaker 2: I ended up with two flip phones, and that was 146 00:07:20,521 --> 00:07:23,361 Speaker 2: purely because Elsie was like, if you're getting as Banna phones, 147 00:07:23,401 --> 00:07:26,441 Speaker 2: can you make it a flip phone? Oh? I had 148 00:07:26,481 --> 00:07:28,761 Speaker 2: so many mems come back. I was like, god, I 149 00:07:28,841 --> 00:07:31,441 Speaker 2: remember having a flip phone. Think I was coolest thing 150 00:07:31,521 --> 00:07:34,001 Speaker 2: ever and like this getting it and shutting it motor 151 00:07:34,121 --> 00:07:35,121 Speaker 2: roller or something. 152 00:07:35,281 --> 00:07:36,481 Speaker 3: Oh it was wow. 153 00:07:36,961 --> 00:07:42,321 Speaker 1: I completely respect your views on this and I agree 154 00:07:42,361 --> 00:07:46,201 Speaker 1: with them too, Like I think our kids are scrolling. 155 00:07:46,321 --> 00:07:48,321 Speaker 1: Like Amelia last night, she was like, I'm going out 156 00:07:48,321 --> 00:07:50,001 Speaker 1: for a shower, like an hour and a half later, 157 00:07:50,081 --> 00:07:52,121 Speaker 1: stop there scrolling on the phone. I was like, mate, 158 00:07:52,521 --> 00:07:56,041 Speaker 1: I'm taking this phone away from you because you literally 159 00:07:56,081 --> 00:08:00,881 Speaker 1: don't have the ability to do what you are intending 160 00:08:00,921 --> 00:08:04,601 Speaker 1: to do because you get caught and scrolling. 161 00:08:05,241 --> 00:08:06,481 Speaker 4: And they're all like it, Rachel. 162 00:08:06,841 --> 00:08:11,601 Speaker 1: They're all like, yeah, So I completely understand you're putting 163 00:08:11,641 --> 00:08:15,401 Speaker 1: it off. I don't think you're that far away with Gracey, 164 00:08:15,481 --> 00:08:18,001 Speaker 1: Like I, yeah, I'm so supportive of you. Yeah yeah, 165 00:08:18,041 --> 00:08:19,641 Speaker 1: but I don't know that you're going to be able 166 00:08:19,641 --> 00:08:21,081 Speaker 1: to do it for that long with Gracy. And I 167 00:08:21,161 --> 00:08:24,561 Speaker 1: understand the invites coming from friends and going through you 168 00:08:24,601 --> 00:08:26,321 Speaker 1: and all the rest of it, But at high school 169 00:08:26,361 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: it very quickly becomes not to do with the parents anymore. Yeah, 170 00:08:31,401 --> 00:08:35,281 Speaker 1: and they organize stuff for themselves. And it's actually like 171 00:08:35,721 --> 00:08:38,241 Speaker 1: I can't remember what year it was, but there was 172 00:08:38,281 --> 00:08:40,921 Speaker 1: definitely a year where I went, oh wow, like I'm 173 00:08:40,961 --> 00:08:42,521 Speaker 1: not across what's happening anymore. 174 00:08:42,641 --> 00:08:46,281 Speaker 2: I think maybe Katie, like maybe that would be Grade ten. Yeah, 175 00:08:46,321 --> 00:08:48,841 Speaker 2: I think I'm older. I've got a couple, and she's 176 00:08:48,961 --> 00:08:52,881 Speaker 2: also young. She's the youngest of the grade kind of 177 00:08:52,881 --> 00:08:55,481 Speaker 2: thing because they're April babies, kind of like how I 178 00:08:55,521 --> 00:08:56,201 Speaker 2: went through school. 179 00:08:56,241 --> 00:08:58,601 Speaker 3: I was the youngest sort of of the grade. 180 00:08:59,081 --> 00:09:01,681 Speaker 2: But at the same time, like I just sort of 181 00:09:01,681 --> 00:09:05,801 Speaker 2: look and go. My inability of stopping myself off on 182 00:09:05,921 --> 00:09:09,921 Speaker 2: a device at times is telling, and I get so 183 00:09:10,241 --> 00:09:13,801 Speaker 2: disappointed in myself and I get so irritated that I've 184 00:09:13,881 --> 00:09:16,521 Speaker 2: just wasted twenty five minutes of my life doom scrolling. 185 00:09:17,561 --> 00:09:21,481 Speaker 2: I don't get off it feeling better. No, I don't 186 00:09:21,521 --> 00:09:25,081 Speaker 2: get off it feeling motivated. I don't get off it 187 00:09:25,241 --> 00:09:29,721 Speaker 2: saying fuck that person changed my life and do you 188 00:09:29,761 --> 00:09:30,321 Speaker 2: know what I mean? 189 00:09:30,761 --> 00:09:32,841 Speaker 3: And so then therefore I look at it and go. 190 00:09:32,801 --> 00:09:36,161 Speaker 2: I'm not doing it for the right reasons. I need 191 00:09:36,201 --> 00:09:38,801 Speaker 2: to really question my behavior because I'm wasting time. 192 00:09:39,361 --> 00:09:42,281 Speaker 1: I never feel good looking at social media, and I'm 193 00:09:42,321 --> 00:09:46,321 Speaker 1: maybe not following like I could probably follow some more. 194 00:09:46,161 --> 00:09:49,481 Speaker 2: Influenced I think I think I hate I do mine. 195 00:09:49,521 --> 00:09:53,401 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but a year ago, rage Yeah, people were 196 00:09:53,401 --> 00:09:58,081 Speaker 1: doing like, you know, sixty second Instagram TikTok videos. 197 00:09:58,841 --> 00:10:00,801 Speaker 4: Now they're saying you need to. 198 00:10:00,761 --> 00:10:04,321 Speaker 1: Grip someone within the first three seconds otherwise they move 199 00:10:04,361 --> 00:10:05,321 Speaker 1: on to the next one. 200 00:10:05,521 --> 00:10:07,721 Speaker 2: Yeah. Can you imagine, like with our podcasts and like 201 00:10:07,801 --> 00:10:11,041 Speaker 2: our snippets of videos that we use on that all 202 00:10:11,081 --> 00:10:13,441 Speaker 2: you'd have to do is catch them in first three seconds. 203 00:10:13,521 --> 00:10:16,521 Speaker 2: You're just going to have to say like just the 204 00:10:16,521 --> 00:10:20,361 Speaker 2: most explicit random words, like you might as well not 205 00:10:20,401 --> 00:10:22,481 Speaker 2: put any other content with it, just scream one word 206 00:10:22,521 --> 00:10:24,641 Speaker 2: and then that's all you've got and then people it's 207 00:10:24,641 --> 00:10:26,041 Speaker 2: like a clickbait kind of thing. 208 00:10:26,281 --> 00:10:30,681 Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting is the video that we put up. 209 00:10:30,561 --> 00:10:33,481 Speaker 4: On Sociures about ah we. 210 00:10:35,001 --> 00:10:38,841 Speaker 1: That started with so we found out next door is 211 00:10:38,881 --> 00:10:41,601 Speaker 1: a brothel or the massage place next door is a 212 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:46,121 Speaker 1: brothel or something like that, and that's been our highest 213 00:10:46,161 --> 00:10:47,041 Speaker 1: performing video. 214 00:10:47,321 --> 00:10:50,281 Speaker 2: But at this one of the time, isn't it hilarious? 215 00:10:50,401 --> 00:10:54,961 Speaker 2: The feedback on there, the comments of our wonderful community. 216 00:10:55,001 --> 00:10:56,921 Speaker 3: Honestly, they make me a laugh. 217 00:10:57,201 --> 00:10:59,321 Speaker 2: I think there was one one of the last ones 218 00:10:59,441 --> 00:11:01,641 Speaker 2: was like, how I moral this sounds terrible this place. 219 00:11:01,681 --> 00:11:05,561 Speaker 3: I might have to go and inspect it myself. I 220 00:11:05,601 --> 00:11:07,761 Speaker 3: was like, lol, that was really good. 221 00:11:08,041 --> 00:11:10,681 Speaker 2: But at the same time, yes, all we had to 222 00:11:10,681 --> 00:11:13,921 Speaker 2: say was brother and then it was just like up, yeah, 223 00:11:14,121 --> 00:11:16,561 Speaker 2: just sad society that we live in, right. 224 00:11:16,601 --> 00:11:19,201 Speaker 1: And it's like we don't do much on TikTok. You 225 00:11:19,241 --> 00:11:22,001 Speaker 1: don't do anything on no. I remember back in the 226 00:11:22,081 --> 00:11:23,121 Speaker 1: day when my girls were. 227 00:11:23,041 --> 00:11:23,881 Speaker 4: At primary school. 228 00:11:23,921 --> 00:11:27,721 Speaker 1: It was musically it's the same thing musically became TikTok. 229 00:11:27,841 --> 00:11:30,921 Speaker 1: It started off they were very smart ACTI raped because 230 00:11:30,961 --> 00:11:35,441 Speaker 1: it started off with very innocent kids doing dance routines. 231 00:11:35,841 --> 00:11:38,881 Speaker 1: That's all TikTok was. They would do these dances to 232 00:11:39,001 --> 00:11:41,281 Speaker 1: songs and they would do it all together and they'd 233 00:11:41,521 --> 00:11:43,161 Speaker 1: you know, go off at lunch time and all the 234 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:45,321 Speaker 1: rest of it. My kids didn't have a phone in 235 00:11:45,361 --> 00:11:47,961 Speaker 1: primary school, but there were definitely kids that did and 236 00:11:48,081 --> 00:11:50,241 Speaker 1: they would all do it together and it was very wholesome, 237 00:11:50,361 --> 00:11:55,281 Speaker 1: very innocent dancing. And then it turned into TikTok. And 238 00:11:55,321 --> 00:11:57,481 Speaker 1: then next minute, I'm like, hang on, I thought it 239 00:11:57,521 --> 00:11:58,681 Speaker 1: was just dancing videos. 240 00:11:58,921 --> 00:12:00,361 Speaker 4: Now it's everything. 241 00:12:01,121 --> 00:12:02,681 Speaker 2: Look at the end of the day is like, I'm 242 00:12:02,721 --> 00:12:05,041 Speaker 2: going to hang on for as long as I can. Obviously, 243 00:12:05,041 --> 00:12:06,761 Speaker 2: I'm not going to go around promoting that I bought 244 00:12:06,761 --> 00:12:10,721 Speaker 2: bernafhones because I didn't know that was such a bad thing. Obviously, 245 00:12:11,041 --> 00:12:13,801 Speaker 2: I am not a drug dealer and I don't intend 246 00:12:13,841 --> 00:12:17,281 Speaker 2: to rob a bank or murder anyone. So I'm not 247 00:12:17,321 --> 00:12:19,561 Speaker 2: being derogative towards people that choose that. 248 00:12:20,441 --> 00:12:23,801 Speaker 3: But it's just not on my mad people to do list. 249 00:12:27,081 --> 00:12:28,601 Speaker 2: It's not on my to do list, and I don't 250 00:12:28,641 --> 00:12:31,001 Speaker 2: want my kids to be labeled with that. But at 251 00:12:31,041 --> 00:12:33,121 Speaker 2: the same time, I didn't know that I was saying 252 00:12:33,161 --> 00:12:35,321 Speaker 2: anything bad. I'm just going to hold on for as 253 00:12:35,321 --> 00:12:38,321 Speaker 2: long as I can, And like I said, I'm just 254 00:12:38,361 --> 00:12:41,681 Speaker 2: going to reevaluate every six months and keep it between 255 00:12:41,841 --> 00:12:44,521 Speaker 2: the girls and I, and we will come to a 256 00:12:44,561 --> 00:12:46,521 Speaker 2: place when we come to a place and when I 257 00:12:46,561 --> 00:12:47,121 Speaker 2: feel that. 258 00:12:47,121 --> 00:12:47,641 Speaker 3: They are. 259 00:12:49,241 --> 00:12:53,081 Speaker 2: At a level on their own that you know, own 260 00:12:53,121 --> 00:12:56,361 Speaker 2: a card. Because every child will get to different stages 261 00:12:56,681 --> 00:13:00,481 Speaker 2: and levels differently at different ages. We're just going to 262 00:13:00,561 --> 00:13:03,721 Speaker 2: go with the flow. Just on this topic my children, 263 00:13:03,921 --> 00:13:09,161 Speaker 2: My two girls out on nothing, Katie. Yeah, and so therefore, 264 00:13:09,241 --> 00:13:11,961 Speaker 2: do I feel bad about my decision as parents with 265 00:13:12,041 --> 00:13:13,001 Speaker 2: this particular topic. 266 00:13:13,121 --> 00:13:13,841 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 267 00:13:14,161 --> 00:13:16,361 Speaker 4: I admire your strengths. 268 00:13:16,881 --> 00:13:18,681 Speaker 3: Yeah, for now, revisit it. 269 00:13:19,041 --> 00:13:22,241 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's very realistic. You're going to keep 270 00:13:22,241 --> 00:13:23,001 Speaker 4: revisiting it. 271 00:13:23,361 --> 00:13:28,521 Speaker 1: I admire your strength, not being Yeah, I want to 272 00:13:28,521 --> 00:13:31,761 Speaker 1: say bullied into her. 273 00:13:31,841 --> 00:13:35,401 Speaker 2: Little friends that come over really beautiful, very respectful. 274 00:13:35,761 --> 00:13:37,241 Speaker 3: They walk in high rage. 275 00:13:37,561 --> 00:13:40,041 Speaker 2: I've only had to ask them once and they literally 276 00:13:40,041 --> 00:13:42,241 Speaker 2: put their phones on the bench. They don't go back 277 00:13:42,241 --> 00:13:44,241 Speaker 2: to them, they don't go to pick them up, they 278 00:13:44,241 --> 00:13:46,961 Speaker 2: don't look for them. Their mums end up calling me saying, hey, 279 00:13:46,961 --> 00:13:49,561 Speaker 2: I have text her a few times or no worries. Yeah, 280 00:13:49,601 --> 00:13:51,721 Speaker 2: it's fine, she's just got her phone sitting here on 281 00:13:51,721 --> 00:13:52,041 Speaker 2: the bench. 282 00:13:52,161 --> 00:13:53,881 Speaker 4: That's because they respect. 283 00:13:53,521 --> 00:13:56,881 Speaker 3: My boundaries within my house. Just be my house. I 284 00:13:56,921 --> 00:13:57,961 Speaker 3: don't know what goes on it there. 285 00:13:58,321 --> 00:14:02,641 Speaker 1: But other people's kids will always be more respectful of 286 00:14:02,841 --> 00:14:03,921 Speaker 1: you than what your own. 287 00:14:03,841 --> 00:14:04,441 Speaker 4: Kids will be. 288 00:14:04,561 --> 00:14:08,201 Speaker 2: Absolutely and Gracie finds like that whole excuse mommy can't ask. 289 00:14:08,241 --> 00:14:10,121 Speaker 2: I said, yes I can. You want to have your 290 00:14:10,121 --> 00:14:12,561 Speaker 2: friends over at my house. I don't have restrictions on 291 00:14:12,601 --> 00:14:15,281 Speaker 2: how long they stay here. I'm okay with that. And 292 00:14:15,321 --> 00:14:17,561 Speaker 2: you girls don't miss out on anything. You still go 293 00:14:17,601 --> 00:14:20,281 Speaker 2: and do everything. You go and walk around, you walk 294 00:14:20,321 --> 00:14:21,961 Speaker 2: the streets, you go to the park, you go and 295 00:14:21,961 --> 00:14:24,761 Speaker 2: get ice cream. You don't miss out on anything. All 296 00:14:24,801 --> 00:14:26,641 Speaker 2: I'm asking is for it not to be online. 297 00:14:27,761 --> 00:14:28,881 Speaker 3: They to a degree. 298 00:14:29,081 --> 00:14:32,601 Speaker 2: For now, again, they get it, they respect it. Will 299 00:14:32,601 --> 00:14:37,601 Speaker 2: it change, probably, but for now it's working. But until then, 300 00:14:37,761 --> 00:14:39,001 Speaker 2: I'm going to use my benefits. 301 00:14:39,521 --> 00:14:44,721 Speaker 1: Is your main concern the fact that it's horrible for 302 00:14:44,801 --> 00:14:47,041 Speaker 1: their own mental health and all the rest of it 303 00:14:47,161 --> 00:14:51,881 Speaker 1: scrolling mindlessly or are you worried about what they might 304 00:14:52,041 --> 00:14:55,361 Speaker 1: see or who might try and contact them online? 305 00:14:55,481 --> 00:14:57,321 Speaker 4: So there's safety of it all of them? 306 00:14:57,481 --> 00:14:57,681 Speaker 2: Yeah? 307 00:14:57,681 --> 00:14:58,681 Speaker 3: Okay, all of them? 308 00:14:59,441 --> 00:15:02,561 Speaker 2: And if I can help by just creating boundaries and 309 00:15:02,761 --> 00:15:05,361 Speaker 2: just for now and just say their brains develop for 310 00:15:05,401 --> 00:15:08,481 Speaker 2: another two or four years. I'm not saying I'm cotton 311 00:15:08,561 --> 00:15:11,241 Speaker 2: wallballing them because I know that they will see stuff, 312 00:15:11,321 --> 00:15:14,601 Speaker 2: but I hope within time we can have conversations about it. 313 00:15:14,961 --> 00:15:18,121 Speaker 2: There's just so much more added pressure in today's society, 314 00:15:18,481 --> 00:15:21,721 Speaker 2: especially with wool girls and boys, but little girls on 315 00:15:21,761 --> 00:15:24,721 Speaker 2: the way that you look, what you're eating, how you're perceived, 316 00:15:24,961 --> 00:15:28,441 Speaker 2: what is expected of you. There are very strong views 317 00:15:28,441 --> 00:15:31,601 Speaker 2: and opinions online and until their brains are developed to 318 00:15:31,601 --> 00:15:33,761 Speaker 2: the point that they can make that clear decision or 319 00:15:33,801 --> 00:15:36,921 Speaker 2: want to have the conversation with us about that. I'm 320 00:15:36,961 --> 00:15:38,001 Speaker 2: just buying time. 321 00:15:38,201 --> 00:15:40,881 Speaker 1: And until then they can use their burn a phone. 322 00:15:42,041 --> 00:15:44,721 Speaker 1: Have you taught them how to play snake me? 323 00:15:45,081 --> 00:15:46,721 Speaker 2: I had to work out how to be able to 324 00:15:46,721 --> 00:15:51,761 Speaker 2: send dixieye and it's like ah A C H. 325 00:15:52,321 --> 00:15:53,801 Speaker 3: Like I said to the girls, do you know what? 326 00:15:53,961 --> 00:15:57,921 Speaker 2: You're definitely going to learn how to spell now you 327 00:15:57,961 --> 00:16:02,201 Speaker 2: can't have no predictive text on there.