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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: Do you think when you when you when you joined

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Speaker 2: family that Yeah, definitely you felt like it was. It

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Speaker 2: they were you know that they were. They were Therefore

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Speaker 2: you had your back.

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Speaker 1: I could rely on them no matter what.

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter how fast something went, if it

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Speaker 3: went to the extreme, they would back you no matter what,

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Speaker 3: no matter how fucking far from being right you were.

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Speaker 3: It was one bunch of guys that you can consider

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Speaker 3: your family and will act on it, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. And it's something that is so far gone

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Speaker 3: these days, like you look at it now, and I

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Speaker 3: mean these new school kids that don't even own bikes,

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Speaker 3: like we spoke about last time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have your back, yea.

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Speaker 3: Like they don't even back themselves, let alone back who

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Speaker 3: they call to be their family. But back then, back

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Speaker 3: when it was a real family and real brothers and

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Speaker 3: to do that was that was the biggest thing. It

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Speaker 2: So tell me how all right, tell me tell me,

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Speaker 2: what happened? How did you get into it? When you

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Speaker 2: joined the club? What did what was the role you

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Speaker 2: have to go down there a couple of weeks? Did

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Speaker 3: Well, the process, I don't know how it went for

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Speaker 3: a lot of people, but idolizing them was the biggest

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Speaker 3: and I basically went not because it was I nombed

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Speaker 3: up while so I was in jail that a lot

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Speaker 3: of people say, you're not meant to do so, but

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Speaker 3: you know, because I was running around doing their errands

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Speaker 3: for them, people hurt them siggy like Shane and Frank

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Speaker 3: Sigis and stuff like that. I'd run around collect their

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Speaker 3: ciggis and everyone was to buy them eggs in buy ups,

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Speaker 3: and I'd go and collect their eggs and I'd get

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Speaker 3: my fucking meal out of it.

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Speaker 1: Or they turn around and go.

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Speaker 3: Come on, dick head, come and we're playing cards and

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Speaker 3: have a ciggi and all this stuff, and I'm thinking, fuck,

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Speaker 3: this is awesome. You know, getting my way in there,

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Speaker 3: and it took a long time to gain their trust,

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Speaker 3: and as it should, because you can't like these days

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Speaker 3: you can just walk straight into it and they would

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Speaker 3: just go, here you go, mate, have that and have

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Speaker 3: it on a platter, enjoy it. That's your role, that's

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Speaker 3: where you're at. That's how you're going to be back

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Speaker 3: then if you didn't work for it. Like I remember

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Speaker 3: one time, some dickhead was having a shower at three

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Speaker 1: So she kicked him in the head of the yard.

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Speaker 3: And he was sitting on his knees begging and he's like, mate, mate, mate,

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Speaker 3: like what the fuck. I'm like, well, mate, you're in jail,

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Speaker 3: and They're just like, fuck, you got balls, you know

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Speaker 1: They're like, this is this, we can see something coming

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Speaker 3: So after that, yeah, they were just like more onto me,

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Speaker 3: about on when you get out, we'll do this, and

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Speaker 3: we'll do that, and did a few little collects for

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Speaker 2: So it did. So it happened when you got mostly

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Speaker 2: more than did then. But when you got I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't even know how to ride then, to tell you

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Speaker 3: the biggest thing for them back then was thousand cc

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Speaker 3: it's an American made bike. It's not one of these

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Speaker 3: cc plus. And if you didn't have a bike, you're

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Speaker 1: So you have to get it.

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Speaker 3: I had to buy a bike, and they don't. They

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Speaker 3: don't turn around and go here's you buy.

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Speaker 1: You go and buy it. And if you do something wrong,

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Speaker 1: there's a possibility you can lose it.

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Speaker 2: What happens if you can't get a bike? What was

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Speaker 2: if someone like some of them comes, well, we're supposed

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Speaker 2: to join, but he is, I haven't got that kind

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Speaker 1: How was I Fuck?

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Speaker 2: You just can't join?

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Speaker 1: Well, then you go and earn the money, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Like you you can't just think that you're going to

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Speaker 3: the biggest thing about motorcycle clubs was you had to

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Speaker 3: fucking buy a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of them do nowadays? Well just turn.

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Speaker 3: Half of them don't even own cars. Come on, let's

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Speaker 3: be real. Half of them are so pathetic. They just

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Speaker 3: roll in their little crews and think that we'll get

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Speaker 3: and children, and it's disgusting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 2: Wow sor right, So you got your bike.

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Speaker 1: For member?

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Speaker 3: Was never was so when it was the old school boys,

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Speaker 3: it was never a full like I never got the

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Speaker 3: chance to get the full colors.

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Speaker 1: So it was you earn your way up, You do this,

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Speaker 3: But because I was in jail a lot just for

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Speaker 3: dumb ship like majority of the time driving and there

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Speaker 3: were other things that you actually caught me off guard

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Speaker 3: with last time. But I have to bring that off. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 3: doubt you're will, but yeah, no, it was. It was moreover,

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Speaker 3: I was a prospect. I would have loved to have

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Speaker 3: my full colors with the Old School Club. I really

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Speaker 3: honestly would have because it was something that you dream

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Speaker 3: for when you're in the club, being any sort of club,

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Speaker 3: I don't care who you are. The things were looked

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Speaker 3: who they were. They didn't go around terrorizing people that

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Speaker 3: didn't deserve it. It was always the rolling thunder people

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Speaker 3: call it. And that's when the club or what chapter

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Speaker 3: was this? This was Gold Coast, Gold Coast Chapter, Coast chapter.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it?

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Speaker 1: Do you think.

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Speaker 2: There's a Okay, let's go back then.

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 2: What was the main rivals for the things back then?

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Speaker 1: When you hold angels?

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Speaker 2: So okay, So it was the Hell's Angels and that

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Speaker 2: was pretty big up here.

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Speaker 1: They were actually extremely big.

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Speaker 3: I still believe to this day they're one of the

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Speaker 3: biggest in the world still to this day.

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Speaker 2: How fierce was this rivalry in the Gold Coast?

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Speaker 3: It was epic, Like I'm not quite sure if you

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Speaker 3: remember too much about the boring Blitz.

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Speaker 2: Kickbox March, Yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: Dick had decided that he was going to come in

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Speaker 3: on and all the boys didn't really like it too much.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know too much about why that kicked off.

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Speaker 3: But it was just a little event of chair throwing

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Speaker 3: and everything else, and it was it was epic, And

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: That's how big the rivalry between It was definitely about power,

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Speaker 3: and I believe it was our little strip not theirs.

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Speaker 3: And it was to the point where we were we

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Speaker 3: were given orders. You see one of them, you deal

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Speaker 3: with them like this is ours, This isn't theirs, like

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Speaker 2: So this is like full on the old school. If

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Speaker 2: they're seen in your even.

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Speaker 3: On the streets, if you see them wearing their even

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Speaker 3: a supporter shirt, you fight them, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: And that's how you earn your stripes. It is you

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Speaker 3: want to be one of us. If you see one

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Speaker 3: of them, you deal with them.

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Speaker 2: And that was just in public.

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Speaker 1: Even if you see even in public, how did the

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Speaker 1: police deal that? Not very lightly?

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Speaker 3: So I had a run in with a few of

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Speaker 3: them names I don't even know, I was walking through

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Speaker 3: with like what are you doing? Like you can't, you

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Speaker 3: can't be rolling that shit in this neighborhood. And it

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Speaker 3: so I got him a winner back, yeah, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. And then police got involved and it

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Speaker 3: was just an assault in public sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: Neither off.

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Speaker 3: It's one depressed charge, so they let it go. And

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Speaker 3: how many times is that going to happen?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: So there was a few occasions where they could have

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Speaker 3: obviously had something bigger.

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Speaker 2: In play, because to me, when I look at the news,

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Speaker 2: I see that the Gold Coast biky kind of war

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Speaker 2: power war is more out of control than down in

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Speaker 1: Definitely, that's what these days it is.

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Speaker 3: More more so, I'm very very aware of the whole

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Speaker 3: Mongols and the Hell's Angels thing, but I think that's

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Speaker 3: more of a because most of the boys went to

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Speaker 3: the Mongols, which I still don't understand to this day,

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Speaker 3: but being declared a criminal organization is another reason why

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Speaker 3: you are an outlaw in the first Anyway, I don't

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Speaker 3: know what their thoughts on the whole thing was, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of people are probably going to go fuck

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Speaker 3: you Adrian again because my opinion is my opinion, you

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Speaker 3: are stuck with that one crew. That's how I always

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Speaker 3: thought of it, and being frowned upon for not wanting

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Speaker 3: to to lean over like that's not cool either, do

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: I still have a lot of love for a lot

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Speaker 3: of the boys that have gone from the Things to

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Speaker 3: the Mongols, and I do have a lot of love

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Speaker 3: for them and a lot of respect and would probably

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Speaker 2: But it's the whole Do you think because you're out

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Speaker 2: of the scene now, do you think it would be

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Speaker 2: hard for you to talk to say, Okay, you said

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Speaker 2: a few your mates have gone over, would you still

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Speaker 2: be able to affiliate with them and talk to them

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Speaker 2: even though you've got thinks background?

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Speaker 1: Well, they do too, do you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 3: So because they were X things too and now they're Mongols,

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Speaker 1: Because I've done my disassociation.

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Speaker 2: So do you think is a power be an other?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, slowly, slowly crept away up here. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Think they're trying to claim the whole thing the way

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Speaker 2: You get your guide.

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Speaker 2: Is it because the new generation coming through changed it

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Speaker 2: Did you think that? Do you think now that the

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Speaker 1: Fuck? No, could you trust that? I've a looked at

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Speaker 3: Them or two foot tall, and I think that they're

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Speaker 1: Did you trust him? That? Would you see?

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Speaker 3: You're laughing like you're laughing like you wouldn't fucking definitely

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Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't know no fucking way of them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So why why are the clubs then letting people

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Speaker 2: It's not about who you are anymore, and like, that's

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Speaker 1: And that just gave me goosebumps because that's exactly how

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Speaker 3: If you're a name, we want to strive to be

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Speaker 3: if not better, because notoriety wasn't solely the game. It

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Speaker 2: But there's not all this come from the actual people

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Speaker 3: Like, well you would think that, I don't know how

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Speaker 2: Used to end that for like you have to just

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Speaker 3: And it was years before I even got looked at

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Speaker 1: To do it. And if you didn't have the backbone,

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Speaker 3: At this point, do a bit more for us maybe then,

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Speaker 3: And these days they just go have that, have that,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know,