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Speaker 1: Seeing with Kate Richie Podcast. Hi, I'm Kate Winslet.

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Speaker 2: Kate Winslet.

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Speaker 1: Europe was a war and I felt useless. Send me

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Speaker 1: to Europe. I just want to do my part. I'm

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Speaker 1: with Vogue Magazine. We don't see women to comeback. Well

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Speaker 1: that's a problem, because I'm here. Ready the girl.

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Speaker 3: This is very, very exciting. This is an amazing story

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Speaker 3: of Elizabeth Lee Mila. She was an American photographer and

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Speaker 3: photo journalists and during World War Two she was a

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Speaker 3: war correspondent for Vogue Magazine, covering some horrific events. And

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Speaker 3: the lady that portrays her in the latest movie Lee,

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Speaker 3: which is out tomorrow, is the magnificent Kate Winslet, and

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Speaker 3: she joins us.

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Speaker 2: Now, Kate, We're welcome. The show is Kate Winslet.

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Speaker 1: Oh, such a pleasure to have you here. I feel

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Speaker 1: very home. The tone of your show, I have to

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Speaker 1: say I can already Tay's a lot like Chris Evans,

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Speaker 1: a brilliant radio. He's fantastic Chris. Yeah, you guys are

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Speaker 1: a lot like Chris.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that we've ever spoken. We certainly haven't

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Speaker 2: had you here in the studio, and this show has

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Speaker 2: been on for fourteen years, you decide to come here

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Speaker 2: and then the royal family trump you'll turn up at

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Speaker 2: the time. Have you rung the king and said, come

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Speaker 2: on mate, this is my time?

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Speaker 3: I do you know?

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Speaker 1: I met King Charles years ago. He came to a

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Speaker 1: royal premiere of Sense and Sensibility when I was only

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Speaker 1: twenty and I do somewhere have a photograph of me

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Speaker 1: shaking his hand. And actually I was a little bit

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Speaker 1: concerned because I remember I was wearing a really lovely

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Speaker 1: velvet coat. But underneath the velvet coat, I was wearing

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Speaker 1: quite a lacy, black, oh really nice sort of a jumpsuit.

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Speaker 1: But I suddenly realized, as I was about to meet

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Speaker 1: the King that I think it might have been a

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Speaker 1: little bit see through, and so I just literally I

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Speaker 1: just crowded myself with.

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Speaker 2: For his eyes darted.

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Speaker 1: No, not because I had successfully covered covered myself in

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Speaker 1: this velvety thing, but I did have this proper moment

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Speaker 1: of sheer panic, thinking, oh my goodness, I'm about to

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Speaker 1: curtsey in front of the King.

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Speaker 3: I just say, though, that you are, that you're here

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Speaker 3: at the same time as the King and Queen, but

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Speaker 3: you've beaten the Gallagher brothers because they've just called an

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Speaker 3: Astralian tour, So okay, even before have you met the

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Speaker 3: Gallagher brothers before?

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Speaker 1: I only I met Liam once. I was on Graham,

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Speaker 1: not in a talkture in the UK, I was. I

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Speaker 1: was on the on the sofa as one of the

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Speaker 1: I remember the episode once. Yeah, yeah, I didn't really

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Speaker 1: get to actually chat to him much. But yeah, let's talk.

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Speaker 2: The film, because I mean, it is a beautiful film

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Speaker 2: and a story is extraordinary because I love the way

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Speaker 2: it's told as well. And I'm not going to say

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Speaker 2: everything that happens obviously in the film, but you must

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Speaker 2: have been so inspired by the bravery of one person.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I absolutely was, And I must say how you

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Speaker 1: just introed the film was so terrific because I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure if you're aware, but what you said was Lee

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Speaker 1: Miller was a photographer and war correspondent who documented the

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Speaker 1: atrocity of the Second World War. And that is exactly

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Speaker 1: who she was, and how I hope people meet Lee

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Speaker 1: for the first time, people who have never heard of

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Speaker 1: her and have no idea who she was. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to make this film because when I Googledly Miller in

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Knowing a bit about her. What drove me

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Speaker 1: crazy was that she was described as the ex cover girl,

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Speaker 1: former Vogue model, ex lover and muse of man Ray. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so this way in which we seem to be still

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Speaker 1: so hell bent on describing significant female figures alongside their

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Speaker 1: love lives drives me nuts and I thought this is

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Speaker 1: completely wrong. So this film covers a decade in Lee's life,

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Speaker 1: just before, during, and immediately after the war, when she

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Speaker 1: used that camera, her Roliflex camera that hangs around the

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Speaker 1: neck and sits in front of the heart. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: typically come up to the eye, and by using her

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Speaker 2: You did it beautifully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she really stood amongst them and captured what was

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Speaker 3: The one that I want to and I hope that

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Speaker 3: I'm not giving too much away here, but there's a

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Speaker 3: very famous photo Kate of where she found herself in

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Speaker 3: Hitler's house, and this is after he had passed and

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Speaker 3: she found herself in the bathroom. In Hitler's bathroom, she

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Speaker 3: bath in Hitler's bath Can I ask you was that

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Speaker 3: take to say that we had triumphed over Hitler?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think there are many things to say about

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Speaker 1: that particular image, which is such an extraordinary image. It is,

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Speaker 1: as you point out, it's probably one of the most,

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Speaker 1: if not the most iconic photo of Lee Miller. In fact,

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Speaker 1: taken by her buddy Davy Sherman, who was a photographer

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Speaker 1: for Life magazine. She knew where Hitler's apartment was. She

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Speaker 1: was very good at getting information that she needed. She

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Speaker 1: of the liberation of Dachau, Lee and Davy bribed their

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Speaker 1: and yeah, there was a bathroom. Lee and Davy absolutely stank.

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Speaker 1: They hadn't changed their clothes for six weeks. They hadn't

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Speaker 1: touched hot water for six weeks either, But Lee, as

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Speaker 1: I think in the moment she thought to herself, hang

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Speaker 1: significant about that image, which most significant of all, is

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Speaker 1: the mud from her boots. She stamped it into the

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Speaker 1: lemon yellow bath mat belonging to Hitler, treading the dirt

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Speaker 1: to me is an extraordinary thing. This is the fitsy

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Speaker 1: and with with Kate Richie podcast, I have to say too.

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Speaker 4: I also just want to thank you for the conversations

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Speaker 4: body image. And I guess we've had very different careers,

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Speaker 4: on a television show. And I have to say what

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Speaker 4: I see of you out and about in all of

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Speaker 4: as young girls growing up and having people comment about

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Speaker 4: us in past judgment and feel as though it's okay

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Speaker 4: to say certain things. I think that intrinsic we've always

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Speaker 4: known that it's not okay, but it's been it's a

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Speaker 4: really hard conversation to have, and it's hard to sometimes

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Speaker 4: stand up and say this does not make me feel good,

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Speaker 4: and it's not okay for you to speak that way

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Speaker 4: and someone of your caliber to hear you. I hope

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Speaker 4: you know the value of you having these conversations because

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Speaker 4: it makes me and I'm sure millions of other willing

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Speaker 1: But the fact that we.

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Speaker 4: Can hear you say those things, it really has opened

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Speaker 4: the door for all of us. So that's my my

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Speaker 1: Well, that's really very kind. And what I will say

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Speaker 1: is that I think I think women are getting better

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Speaker 1: at standing up for each other as well as standing

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Speaker 1: up for ourselves. And that's where Lee Miller, honestly, you know,

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Speaker 1: added to how I feel about these important things of

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Speaker 1: We don't need to shout about it, you know, Lee Miller.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting. She could have been full of malice and vengeance.

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Speaker 1: She suffered a terrible trauma as a child, and she

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Speaker 1: refused to let that thing define her. But what it

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Speaker 1: did do was it gave her this very powerful streak

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Speaker 1: of injustice. Lee Miller, eighty years ago was already redefining

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Speaker 1: femininity to mean resilience and power and compassion and strength,

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Speaker 1: and those of the values by which I live my life.

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Speaker 1: I know that my sisters do, my friends do. It

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Speaker 1: is how we're raising our daughters today, and hopefully we

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Speaker 2: Kay win'sle The thank you I'd like to do is

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Speaker 2: we started an initiative here, initiative called thirty six months,

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Speaker 2: and you have been so fantastic in pointing out to

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Speaker 2: the world the dangers of social media. So thirty six

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Speaker 2: months is the idea of changing the law here in

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Speaker 2: Australiahow thirteen to sixteen? Oho, And we've made fantastic progress.

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Speaker 1: Oh great, We've.

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Speaker 2: Got a petition with one hundred and twenty one thousand

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Speaker 2: signatures the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister has committed to

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Speaker 2: making a change in November, which is terrific, but we're

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Speaker 2: pushing it to sixteen. That's where we need it to

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Speaker 2: be for the safety of our kids. You've spoken so

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Speaker 2: beautifully on this topic. A message for the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: about how important this.

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Speaker 1: Is, Well, you know, I slightly shy away from giving

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Speaker 1: messages to important political figures, but what I would certainly

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Speaker 1: say is that the fact that there is a conversation

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Speaker 1: incredibly important because what that's doing, it's making families feel

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Speaker 1: seen and heard. And if parents feel that they can

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Speaker 1: bump into each other at the school gates and have

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Speaker 1: an exchange about what they're going through and feel known

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Speaker 1: that I think matters more than anything else for families.

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Speaker 1: That's really important. Yeah. Yeah, that's the.

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Speaker 2: Thing with the kids on the edge, the need saving.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, I completely agree.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Kate.

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Speaker 3: We know how busy you are. Your portrayal of Lea

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Speaker 3: Mila is unbelievable. The movie is out in cinemas tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time and making your

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Speaker 3: way into the studio here. It's been a highlight about you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Kate.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having Meen.

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