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Speaker 1: Sitsy and with her with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'm writ into this watching Binge

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Speaker 2: at the moment, and you want to watch episode six

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Speaker 2: of the War, you can go to Daily Telegraph dot

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Speaker 2: Conrad and you slash the War, but also Binge as well.

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Speaker 3: You can watch it there.

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Speaker 2: But we love getting Mos and also joshin to talk

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Speaker 2: about gang related things in the Sydney area and they

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Speaker 2: join us.

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Speaker 3: Now, welcome boys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lovely to meet you. I mean perfect timing. What

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Speaker 1: was it that Lamborghini that was on fire?

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Speaker 3: Allegedly Yeah, Alamdeans are involved in the fire bombing of

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Speaker 3: four hundred thousand dollars Lamborghini.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Two guys with Jerry cans wow at clavers and as

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Speaker 3: I said, singed eyebrows. Yeah, leaving the scene so they've

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Speaker 3: could blunt it up. Do we know why I'm hearing?

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Speaker 3: I know the police I'm looking at this that it's

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Speaker 3: got crime links to the Alameden crime network, which is

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Speaker 3: an extensive network. Now I've been told that the person

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Speaker 3: who drives it is actually in a relationship with somebody

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Speaker 3: who was very close to some senior people. Oh in

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Speaker 3: that crew.

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Speaker 1: Right, what's where your rest of your Head's.

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Speaker 3: A very serious signal that to these guys, stay away

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Speaker 3: from that woman.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of the Alimedines, though, are over in Lebanon.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I did see that you guys have been writing about this.

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Speaker 2: They've gone over there to get away from Australia. Are

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Speaker 2: you seeing, Josh, that there a lot of them are

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Speaker 2: getting out of the country now because there's too much

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Speaker 2: pressure on them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, particularly recently. I mean, this is a trend

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Speaker 4: that's been going on for a number of years where

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Speaker 4: high profile individuals in the underworld have gone overseas to

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Speaker 4: escape New Sol's police or whatever it may be, or

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Speaker 4: just because life is so tough them here, you know,

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Speaker 4: have Strikeforce raptor knocking down their door every other day,

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Speaker 4: and so they think, well, you know, stuff this, let's

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Speaker 4: go overseason and live freely. But particularly recently, I think

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Speaker 4: we've had eight.

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Speaker 3: Eighty eighty have left in the last two years.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: That of that, twenty are considered very serious crime figures.

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Speaker 3: You know. I sat down there sure with a senior

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Speaker 3: guy from State Crime, Jason Weinstein, who was telling us

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Speaker 3: about it, and he said, it's because of the police pressure.

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Speaker 3: And if you notice that making a lot of arrests

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Speaker 3: around these murders, a lot of it mainly the guys

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Speaker 3: who are pinching the car or positioning the cars allegedly.

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Speaker 3: And what I think the crooks are worried about is

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Speaker 3: this pressure is going upwards that you know, that's that's

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Speaker 3: what happens. You start getting the guys at the bottom

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Speaker 3: of the tree involved in crime.

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Speaker 4: Right and leads.

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Speaker 3: So they're all they've decided to.

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Speaker 1: In the situation like that, you know, is it once

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Speaker 1: a crime, always a kream? Do they go to Lebanon

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Speaker 1: and continue to carry out the same sort of behavior.

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Speaker 4: What we've seen is technology is enabled that so you've

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Speaker 4: got these encrypted messaging services, phones, whatever it may be.

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Speaker 4: That that means you can run your drug business in Sydney,

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Speaker 4: So just run it from Lebanon.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well yeah, they're not retiring necessarily, they're just kind

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Speaker 5: of removing themselves from the hot.

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Speaker 3: So there from home as well. Yeah, that's great, that's

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Speaker 3: just that quite in their home land. Quick, Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: what Sasday and Thursday?

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me? Because I mean I see the images,

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Speaker 1: but I am never sure have the link to the stories.

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Speaker 1: There was the guy who was shot at the gym

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Speaker 1: with his kid in the car. What was his name,

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Speaker 1: Taha Saba?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: And was he the guy that was then arrested at

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Speaker 1: guy arrested, was he linked to the killing in that car?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they picked up a kid last week. I

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Speaker 4: think he was mid twenties, a big fella.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he had.

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Speaker 4: Tattoos on his arms, if that's the bloke you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: But he they're not alleging he was the shooter, more

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Speaker 4: that he was involved in preparing the cars that they use.

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Speaker 4: You know we've talked about. Yeah, they burn out, the

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Speaker 4: getaway cars destroy so they have multiple cars set in position.

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Speaker 4: I mean, people reckon. There's hundreds of cars just sitting

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Speaker 2: Yes, so they prepare them, get them ready and they'll

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Speaker 3: They'll have petrol in them, weren't they Unlike you and

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Speaker 5: But we run no way do you how do you

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Speaker 5: get into the car? I mean, look, maybe I'm getting

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Speaker 5: away from the bulk of the story here. But I'm

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Speaker 5: thinking about logistics and getting somewhere on time. If there

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Speaker 5: are all these cars sitting all around Sydney, how do

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Speaker 1: Is there like one.

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Speaker 3: Key for all that all the sports cars they do have,

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Speaker 3: they do have a multitude of tradesmen at their at

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Speaker 3: their beck and call, including locksmith's mechanics. One car like

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Speaker 3: the one that was used in the shooting of Gasima

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Speaker 3: Moon who changed his name from Hamsey for probably a

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Speaker 3: very obvious reason. That car was stolen from the North

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Speaker 3: Shore nine months earlier and four months before that shooting.

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Speaker 3: Please put out a press release saying we're looking for

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Speaker 3: this car. We believe that it's been stolen to perhaps

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Speaker 3: be used in a crime, in a serious crime. Yes,

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Speaker 3: so what actually happens is they just store them, they them, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they do. They put them in garages, canards. A lot

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Speaker 3: right God, and then put covers over them because.

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Speaker 2: Right, no one knows. Can I talk about the common

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Speaker 2: cheerros there's been talked now. Brighton the Sands has been

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Speaker 2: known as the area where the common heros have always

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Speaker 2: been I've heard that they've sort of they've dispersed a

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Speaker 2: little bit as well. Is there another gang that's coming

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Speaker 2: in and is this a big f you to the

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Speaker 2: common Cheierros to get into the Brighton Lassans area and

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Speaker 4: The Hell's Angels are on the rise, That's really what

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Speaker 2: So they still you would think with strike full raptor

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that, that New South Wales would be

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Speaker 2: a state that you would stay us stay away from.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, but you know, ship and swear. The drug

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Speaker 4: market is that a lot of drugs is unparalleled really okay,

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Speaker 4: top dollar So apparently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can we wind back to that and go, well,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us I mean, for the busts that

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Speaker 1: and you know x amount of cocaine or fhetamines coming

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Speaker 1: makes it? That's a question like how much is on

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Speaker 3: Literally they were like there was a one hundred and

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Speaker 3: twenty ton seiz You're done the other day. A lot

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Speaker 3: of time they will write that off. It's like shoplifting,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's just it's written off as part of

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Speaker 1: We've got to waste factor buility in.

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Speaker 3: It's a bit like spillage at the pub, you know,

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Speaker 3: especially those new bar staff.

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Speaker 1: Very you drink and the Drags bar closed two hours ago.

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Speaker 3: Most the old Journeys club never closed. So how much

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Speaker 3: gets in enormous amounts at the moment, there's so much

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Speaker 3: there that there's talk that the biking gangs and dealers

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Speaker 3: up here. Kidding me, the amount that's loaded landed here

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Speaker 3: recently is quite large, so it's gone. It's about one

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Speaker 3: hundred and ninety five to two hundred thousand a killer

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Speaker 3: landing on the dock now at one stage was three

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Speaker 1: Prices have gone completely.

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Speaker 3: Inflation, I mean, Elbow has been alleged he should, you know,

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Speaker 3: he should look at it. And I don't know whether

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Speaker 3: he saw any it that he went to a wedding recently,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know whether he spoke to some people

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Speaker 3: there about what about inflation?

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Speaker 1: Who would have known what I guess less about him.

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Speaker 2: So in your latest episode, episode six, of the War,

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Speaker 2: you talk about Majid Hamsey and now he the death

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Speaker 2: of him. There's four hundred kilograms of cocaine that's just

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Speaker 2: gone missing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some measured. Hamsey was really probably the first big

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Speaker 4: domino to fall in this in this gang war that's

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Speaker 4: been happening in Sydney for the past two years.

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Speaker 1: Why was he killed?

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Speaker 4: Well, the four hundred k allegation is that there was

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Speaker 4: four hundred kilogram a cocaine that was brought in by

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Speaker 3: Apparently they get really angry that.

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Speaker 4: They don't like that. The allegation was that Meg Hams

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Speaker 4: he took it. Now the cops, you know, no one

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Speaker 4: You don't have to have the there's no burdening proof

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Speaker 3: That's one of the allegations is why he was hidden

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Speaker 3: from there. It's just kind of has had a life

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Speaker 3: But interesting, after like two years of investigating been around

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Speaker 3: this story, we're now starting to hear from really seenior

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Speaker 3: people that that four hundred k never came off the dock,

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Speaker 3: somebody else on the way. He got blamed for it,

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Speaker 3: and he got blamed. And I'll tell you what, there

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Speaker 3: are a whole lot of guys that got kidnapped severely fortuite. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 3: which is another thing that we see now they're taking

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Speaker 3: fingers and there's a lot of that. Yeah, there's not

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Speaker 3: a lot of fingers and teeth left.

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Speaker 1: And the guy that we were talking about before they

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Speaker 1: got shot at the gym with a kid in the car,

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Speaker 1: why was killed.

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Speaker 4: That's a really good question, and I don't think we have.

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Speaker 3: There is a suggestion of mistaken identity. Now that gym is.

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Speaker 3: The people working out there are probably some of the

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Speaker 3: heaviest people in Sydney. They're from Common Cheero, They're from

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Speaker 3: two or three very well known crime families. That's like

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Speaker 3: I said, the medic right, the media crim contacts. Now

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Speaker 3: you we used to go and drink down at the

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Speaker 3: Covent Garden or the Shakespeare Hotel in Surrey Hill. Now

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Speaker 3: you've got to Yeah, that's what Josh does. Look for

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Speaker 3: the prims that aren't there anymore.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't have got the face tap Josh.

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Speaker 2: But just before you go recruitment wise, there's still a

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Speaker 2: lot of kids that they're recruiting or.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's out of control. And even that, you know

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Speaker 4: that the breakings that we're seeing to homes using kids,

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Speaker 4: that they've used kids who are so young and so

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Speaker 4: small that they've knock into houses through doggie doors to

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Speaker 4: steal keys and then give it to the older boys

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Speaker 4: who then take the.

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Speaker 1: That's what I've heard. That's like doing your apprenticeship is

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Speaker 3: And powers are so sophisticated now and so hard to steal.

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Speaker 3: There's something there's two ways you do it. Carjacking, all right,

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Speaker 3: where they just put the gun at until you to

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Speaker 3: get out, or they're doing what it's called an aggravated

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Speaker 3: break in, where the keys are inside the house so

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Speaker 3: they have to go in to get them. We're in

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Speaker 3: the old days, you know, the screwdriver and yeah, lock

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Speaker 3: and away you go. That's that's gone. So the big

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Speaker 3: danger about that is some you know, people can get

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I mean you're talking about recruiting of young kids.

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Speaker 5: If you're a parent and you've got young you know,

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Speaker 5: teenagers or I don't know how old you're saying these

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Speaker 5: kids are, how is it happening?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: How do I get to them?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Like is it family related? Is it school related?

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Speaker 3: Is it like?

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Speaker 5: Where are the risks of your kid kind of getting

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Speaker 5: caught up in that stuff?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all that. I mean we're talking kids ten,

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Speaker 4: them all mainly mainly you know, you're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen,

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Speaker 4: and at school it's it's you know, you've got a

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Speaker 4: relative who is involved in it and you go along

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Speaker 5: It's so you've got an older brother, you know, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you joined.

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Speaker 4: The footy club that you know some of us actually fall.

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Speaker 4: This is the same thing but different.

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Speaker 3: One of one of the major crime figures was sponsoring

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Speaker 3: junior rugby league, giving them jerseys and things, and then

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Speaker 3: going to their football and then they grooming, They groomed

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Speaker 3: them and then you know sanchu I think they call

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Speaker 3: them whatever they call trainers, and then the training and

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Speaker 3: they give them money they're influenced by rap. Meet your heroes,

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Speaker 3: they do, they groom them.

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Speaker 1: How many years do you think FITZI would get fre

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Speaker 1: his fashion crimes with that jacket on this morning?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: How long would it last?

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Speaker 1: You drank?

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Speaker 3: Years?

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Speaker 4: Not very low walk him up for a crows man.

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Speaker 4: That is very port Adeline, very poor.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years in that.

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Speaker 3: One thing we in episode six getting it quite serious,

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Speaker 3: is that we canvas the murder of two women.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: One of them is Lametta Feldalla, right, who was known

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Speaker 3: to have gone out with a couple of gangsters, and

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Speaker 3: the other one was her hairdresser who just happened to

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Speaker 3: said that was one of the most shocking things in Sydney.

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Speaker 3: You've got two women gunned down on their way out

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Speaker 3: talk about a lot of people go, well, they don't

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Speaker 3: shoot women, you know that supposed Yeah, well, I keep

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Speaker 3: trying to point out they've been killing women for years.

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Speaker 3: I mean Sally Anne hacks Huckstep was wrided because she

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Speaker 3: it now that we canvas. They never used to gun

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Speaker 3: a woman down. She was a crime figure. What would

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Speaker 3: they do hot shots mainly and strangling and hot shots. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: a heroin overdose. It looked like a heroin overdose, except

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Speaker 3: for it was pure heroin and a lot of informants

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Speaker 3: from overdoses in the eighties. Yeah, they were in fact

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Speaker 3: hot shots where they'd been given loaded up heroin. So

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Speaker 3: that's how it's a little bit it is. That's in

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Speaker 2: You can go see it on binge, but also if

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Speaker 2: you want to go to Daily Telegraph dot com dot

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Speaker 2: U forward Slash the War. Episode six of the War

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Speaker 2: is up now. Josh Moz, thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: coming in. Boys appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Bitsy and.

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