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Speaker 1: Hay Chicks.

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Speaker 2: Before we jump into the episode, a quick trigger warning

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Speaker 2: that this one discusses topics including food, nutrition, and other

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Speaker 2: It's also important to note that this episode does not

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Speaker 2: contain medical advice and all topics discussed are general. For

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Speaker 2: a healthcare professional. Okay, let's get into the episode.

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Speaker 3: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land, Always was, always

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Speaker 3: will be Aboriginal Land.

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Speaker 2: Hay Chicks, i'ms out and this is too broad cheeks

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Speaker 2: to show that shares life lessons and tips to help

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Speaker 2: make you rich in life.

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Speaker 1: And today we are in.

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Speaker 2: For a doozy because we are joined by Laura Lum

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Speaker 2: and accredited psychologists, nutritionists and GAPS practitioner and where talking

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Speaker 2: all things gut health.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast, Laura.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, I am so excited to be here with

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Speaker 4: you too.

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Speaker 1: We are so excited to have you on.

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Speaker 2: We were saying this episode's kind of been in the

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Speaker 2: works for a couple of months now and we get

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Speaker 2: so many like questions about this. Gut health is a

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Speaker 2: huge trending topic, so we're really excited to dive into

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Speaker 2: it with an expert.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really important for us to have someone.

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Speaker 3: Who knew their shit for this because there's so much

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Speaker 3: misinformation about it. You'd see it all the time. You

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Speaker 3: probably get videos pop up on your social media and

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Speaker 3: you'd be like, no, it's not right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can only imab love that we can talk

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Speaker 4: about it in this kind of environment because your podcast

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Speaker 4: is so fun.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Yeah, exactly in that fine line in

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Speaker 2: the middle. But before we dive into it, we like

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Speaker 2: to start with a life lesson of the week.

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Speaker 1: So, as our guest of honor, would you like to

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Speaker 4: Okay, well mine is that kind of simple, practical and

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Speaker 4: if I'm doing, if I've got some time for myself,

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Speaker 4: and I was listening to this girl that was so

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Speaker 4: DoD salads taste so much better when you have them

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Speaker 4: in a restaurant. So she had many tips, but one

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Speaker 4: Oh my god. So she's inspiring me. And one of

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Speaker 1: I love that. What's your life lesson?

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Speaker 3: My life lesson is a new fact that I learned

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Speaker 3: Ooh, so putting up your Christmas decorations can genuinely lift

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Speaker 2: My life lesson of the week is actually kind of

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Speaker 5: But go listen to that cover.

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Speaker 2: So, Laura, can you give us a little bit of

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Speaker 2: That's really interesting though, because there are so many connections

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Speaker 2: So that's really cool as well. You've been able to

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Speaker 2: apply those schools of thought together.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to know how does your gut health impact

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Speaker 4: The best thing to kind of set that scene is

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Speaker 4: Even good bacteria can be bad bacteria if it's too much.

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Speaker 4: And then if you add in fermented vegetables, then you're

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Speaker 3: So prioritizing food that's high in fiber rather than supplements supplements.

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Speaker 4: Even the foregmn mother nature and tandacy exactly If it

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Speaker 4: it's going to be fiber, but then just have like

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Speaker 4: what does that have in it? If it has something

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Speaker 4: like let's say apple pactern, then have an apple.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you don't need a vitamin, you just need

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Speaker 3: to eat an apple. How many times does a healthy

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Speaker 3: gut poop per day?

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Speaker 4: Okay, there are so many guidelines, they're wildly different. Regularly

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Speaker 4: you want to be cleansing, so really ideally it would

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Speaker 4: be every day. What would be too much? Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: don't think you should be alarmed if if someone is

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Speaker 4: going up to three to four times a day, that

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Speaker 4: might just be how their gut is. But at the

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Speaker 4: same time, I think we don't want to let it

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Speaker 4: go more than two to three days. Personally, I would

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Speaker 4: say it really should be every day, but there's a little.

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Speaker 5: Ask people not poop drunk people don't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, some people it'll be like once a week

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Speaker 4: or what Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 5: That is horrible those poor people.

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Speaker 3: I know, there is nothing more satisfying than a good exit.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, yeah, every day, I guess probably

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Speaker 2: as well, even more than maybe how many times. All

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Speaker 2: the regularity, it would be like the consistency and what

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Speaker 2: it's like right, Like it would be getting into but

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Speaker 2: I guess it would be like what is it regularly

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Speaker 2: like for you?

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Speaker 5: Like do you usually go every day?

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Speaker 1: And then you.

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Speaker 2: Found all of a sudden it is like every two

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Speaker 2: days everything Like it's yeah, like monitoring And it's a

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Speaker 2: great question.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it.

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Speaker 4: Like what does it look like? Because ideally you want

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Speaker 4: it to look like a smile. Think of a smile,

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Speaker 4: so it's flexible enough and it's not lumpy, and it's

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Speaker 4: not unformed so it could actually form a smile.

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Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, I love this.

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Speaker 3: I love this.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 5: It's important. Information, but we don't talk about I think

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Speaker 5: it's good to know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 4: No, it's a good question because also when we talked

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Speaker 4: about red flags, one that we didn't talk about is

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Speaker 4: that just because you're going every day doesn't even mean

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Speaker 4: that you're not. It's called impacted or feically loaded or

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Speaker 4: constipated or backed up, whatever word you want to use,

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Speaker 4: because some people will have uh dehydrated like a stool

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Speaker 4: stuck within their gut walls, and that isn't necessarily coming out,

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Speaker 4: but they're still able to go. And that's when you

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Speaker 4: see a lot of inconsistency.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's interesting, not a great image, but no.

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Speaker 4: Good Ready, just because you're going every day doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: that you're not backed up or feeqally loaded.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, to wrap up, we ask our guests the

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Speaker 3: same question always, what is your biggest life lesson on

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Speaker 3: your gut health and professional journey so far?

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Speaker 4: Well, you can see how as we were talking, I

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Speaker 4: was sometimes raining myself in because we can go into

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Speaker 4: so much detail, and actually, a digestive healing program can

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Speaker 4: even include avoiding toxins right to the point of not

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Speaker 4: necessarily going in a swimming pool. If it's chlorinated, or

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Speaker 4: going into shopping centers because of all the synthetic fragrances.

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Speaker 4: So having done a lot of reading and studying, I

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Speaker 4: think a lot of health practitioners can relate to. You

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Speaker 4: can go to a place where you almost know too

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Speaker 4: much and you restrict yourself too much. But my big

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Speaker 4: lesson is to go there so that you know how

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Speaker 4: it feels and then really just remember, Like what we

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Speaker 4: were just saying is but why are we alive to enjoy?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: Why do we eat to enjoy and be healthy? And

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Speaker 4: that's part of being healthy. So all of these supplements

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Speaker 4: that we can have and everything, they are all things

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Speaker 4: to experiment with. I think I like the Chinese medicine

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Speaker 4: saying is it's better to eat the wrong food with

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Speaker 4: the right attitude than all the right foods with the

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Speaker 4: wrong attitude, like a really rigid like I'm being really healthy.

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Speaker 2: I like that I have balance and have those moments

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Speaker 2: for joy in there and experimentation as well.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, And that's why I tell people that are about

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Speaker 4: to go on a digestive healing program, is spend a

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Speaker 4: week or two just doing so many fun things fail

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Speaker 4: your cup with things that are joyous, because you're about

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Speaker 4: to do something really applied. But it's a treatment, right,

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Speaker 4: It's not a diet forever. It's something you can always

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Speaker 4: come back to, just like the deep bloat scenario you

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Speaker 4: were going on. It's not something to do all the time.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise you'd never have your.

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Speaker 2: Favorite things, my wine, my pastor well, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for coming on the show. For any chicks who

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Speaker 2: want to learn more about you and the work you do,

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Speaker 2: where can they find you? Well, I have.

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Speaker 4: Digesseph Health Clinic on the Northern Beaches and Eleanora Hates

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Speaker 4: and I have Instagram which is doctor.

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Speaker 5: Laura lam Amazing.

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Speaker 3: We can make sure we link all those in the

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Speaker 3: show notes as well. But thank you so much for

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Speaker 3: joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Laura, and yeah you do. And thanks to your chicks

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Speaker 2: for having us in the ear holes.

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Speaker 1: We love to be here. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 5: Bye you, bye bye