Speaker 1: And then a week later she said, are you going
Speaker 1: to continue skating? And we were a bit superstitious and
Speaker 1: so we thought we said, well, we won't commit to
Speaker 1: it yet, give it another week, another week, and another week,
Speaker 1: and after a few months, so you're not And to
Speaker 1: be honest, I've never agreed to skat with her yet neither.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to
Speaker 2: acknowledge the Gadigal people of the Eora nation, the traditional
Speaker 2: custodians of this land, and pay our respects to the elders,
Speaker 2: both past and present.
Speaker 1: High Street hut.
Speaker 2: Hello, I'm cam Dado.
Speaker 1: You excited.
Speaker 3: I'm very very excited.
Speaker 1: Why.
Speaker 2: Well, we've said this before, we can say it, we
Speaker 2: can say it, we can say it again. This job
Speaker 2: that we do in entertainment, it's pretty awesome. We get
Speaker 2: to do some wonderful things. We meet amazing people, and
Speaker 2: we've had some unique experiences along the way. Today is
Speaker 2: one of them. We're all in for something really special.
Speaker 2: Ice skating legends Jane Torvell and Christopher Dean are with
Speaker 2: us in the studio.
Speaker 3: In years I know it was at the Sarajevo Winter
Speaker 3: Olympics that they made history, completing their gold medal winning
Speaker 3: performance to Ravel's Ballero at the nineteen eighty four Winter Olympics.
Speaker 3: This was an iconic, heart stopping performance which had a
Speaker 3: UK television audience of twenty four million and an estimated
Speaker 3: worldwide audience of hundreds of millions of viewers on the
Speaker 3: edge of their seats. I was one of them. Oh
Speaker 3: my god, of course. Well this became one of the
Speaker 3: greatest sporting moments of the twentieth century and set a
Speaker 3: new standard for world class figure skating.
Speaker 2: So after hanging up their skates since several years out
Speaker 2: of the public eye, they once again became household names,
Speaker 2: becoming head judges on Dancing on Ice for sixteen series.
Speaker 2: They've had streets named after them, created documentaries and chased
Speaker 2: skating on wild ice for filming, and they're now on
Speaker 2: their final tour. Our Last Dance. Australia is a special
Speaker 2: place for Tauval and Dean. With their first professional show
Speaker 2: being produced back in the.
Speaker 3: Eighties, they've shared a remarkable fifty year partnership. Let's get
Speaker 3: to know them better and we'll hear about what they
Speaker 3: have planned for us Ozzie's in twenty twenty five. Please
Speaker 3: welcome the incredible Jane and Christopher known around the world
Speaker 3: as Tauville and Dean.
Speaker 2: Hello, guys, welcome.
Speaker 1: To the Also on the production, they well, just call
Speaker 1: us T and D T ANDD.
Speaker 3: I like that. That makes it easier. We'll do that. Well,
Speaker 3: congratulations on what has been and actually really continues to
Speaker 3: be an incredible career. Our last dance it says it all.
Speaker 3: Of course, how are you feeling about the impending retirement,
Speaker 3: I mean of that particular world for you.
Speaker 4: It's kind of weird to think that this time next
Speaker 4: year we will have been retired already, because we're coming
Speaker 4: out to Australia in June of next year, and after
Speaker 4: that we're done on We that's it.
Speaker 1: We may stay who knows, we stay here, finish the
Speaker 1: tour and just stay.
Speaker 3: The will wrap you up and keep you here very easily,
Speaker 3: I have no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: Will you keep skating?
Speaker 2: Is it's something you enjoyed doing? You know?
Speaker 1: I choreograph a lot for all the skaters. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that may be in my future. But having said that,
Speaker 1: from our point of view, from skating on a regular basis,
Speaker 1: because we're always scheduling ourselves for the next event, and
Speaker 1: right now we're obviously in the throes of getting ready
Speaker 1: for the tour, which is exciting. We're really excited about
Speaker 1: what the tour is going to be, and we're excited
Speaker 1: about going out for the last time. But I'm sure
Speaker 1: as we get to that final performance, it will become
Speaker 1: emotional and sentimental. Of course, you know we've grown up together.
Speaker 1: We were fifteen, Well, we knew each other when we
Speaker 1: were ten years old. Yeah, we started skating together when
Speaker 1: we were fifteen years old, and we've just about spoken
Speaker 1: to each other every day since then. So I don't
Speaker 1: think that will change.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's an incredible partnership, Like obviously you've I
Speaker 3: mean that outlasted most marriages. I mean, that's like a
Speaker 3: true that's a childhood friendship that you've managed to maintain
Speaker 3: in such a beautiful way. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 3: What is it about each of you that's you've been
Speaker 3: able to maintain it for this long?
Speaker 4: Well, obviously, you know the skating all has always been
Speaker 4: our passion. Yeah, and you know, we both have the
Speaker 4: same feelings about skating, and we're always we went through
Speaker 4: all the competitive years until eighty four, but then beyond
Speaker 4: that we were excited to continue to skate and be creative.
Speaker 4: As Chris said, we formed our own skating company down
Speaker 4: here in Australia and there were no restrictions. There were
Speaker 4: no rules of competition or anything. So it was just
Speaker 4: like an open door, wasn't it. And having won the
Speaker 4: Olympics talking of open doors, that opens doors everywhere around
Speaker 4: the world for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we transitioned from sports people to entertainers,
Speaker 1: and then we went into the area of working with
Speaker 1: artists like Graham Murphy from Sydney and then Yo Yomar,
Speaker 1: famous cellists. So we've just done so many different things.
Speaker 1: But it's because of that one four minute routine back
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four that gathers this longevity.
Speaker 2: It's incredible, It is incredible. I do want to ask
Speaker 2: you about the mindset change from moving from sports people
Speaker 2: to entertainers, what what, But there are other things I
Speaker 2: want to cover before that.
Speaker 3: We want to get just.
Speaker 2: Go back to when you were kids. What was do
Speaker 2: you remember your first impressions of each other.
Speaker 4: I just remember seeing Chris at the rink before we
Speaker 4: skatered together, and amongst friends of mine, I called him
Speaker 4: the Blonde Prince because he had really his blonde now,
Speaker 4: but it was like really white blonde hair as a youngster.
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, the blonde prince is here again.
Speaker 3: On top that if the shoe fits right, he's got.
Speaker 2: Away that the princess bride? Was that now? That wasn't
Speaker 2: a thing yet, was it the Princess Bride? Because I
Speaker 2: could see why you would be like a Westland you know, right,
Speaker 2: you guys are princess Buttercup and Wesley right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah? Was it immediate? The chemistry on ice when
Speaker 3: you when you start you started dancing at fifteen and sixteen?
Speaker 3: Is that correct? Together?
Speaker 1: Well? I I was always dancing, and Jeane had been
Speaker 1: in another catchual figure skating called pair skating. So at
Speaker 1: the Nottingham ice rink where we both started skating, she
Speaker 1: was the Queen Bee because she was a champion.
Speaker 4: I was a British champione quite young, mainly because there
Speaker 4: weren't many pair skating.
Speaker 1: Couples down, only two of us.
Speaker 4: There was only two in that national chap we were.
Speaker 1: But then her partner thought that going off to London
Speaker 1: was the place to be, so he left you and
Speaker 1: then the partner that I had had the same impression
Speaker 1: that she wanted to go to London and the big
Speaker 1: Smoke and make it big down there. So we were
Speaker 1: without partners, and then the coach at the time just
Speaker 1: suggested that we try out. And we were fifteen years
Speaker 1: old and quite naive. You know, back in those days,
Speaker 1: there's no social media or anything like that, so you
Speaker 1: were still a bit naive of fifteen years and she
Speaker 1: put us together. And remember it was one Thursday morning,
Speaker 1: wasn't it, and about six am in the morning, and
Speaker 1: nobody else is there, and the knoting ice rink is
Speaker 1: a cold, dark, dank place, and you see the rats
Speaker 1: scory as you turn the lights on, so is.
Speaker 2: That they get the rest at the stage scor often.
Speaker 1: Chasing them off the ice. Anyway, she put us together,
Speaker 1: and she put us in a dance holder waltz holed,
Speaker 1: and to begin with we were sort of like really
Speaker 1: distance apart, but then she like squeezed us together, so
Speaker 1: our hips were against each other and that was kind
Speaker 1: of awkward for us, and we were like looking around,
Speaker 1: and then she said, I've just got to get something
Speaker 1: from a dressing room, So she scooted off the ice
Speaker 1: and left us there, and we.
Speaker 4: Had we didn't move.
Speaker 1: We didn't move, We didn't say anything. We were just
Speaker 1: sort of searching around with our eyes left in the
Speaker 1: middle of the eyes at six o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: And finally she came back out about five minutes later
Speaker 1: and said, well, you've passed your first test. You're still here.
Speaker 4: The idea is that when you're a dance couple, you
Speaker 4: dance as close together as you can and that creates
Speaker 4: a better line and everything. So that's the reason she
Speaker 4: pushed our hips together because a lot quite often couples
Speaker 4: that are starting out dancing, they do tend to do that.
Speaker 1: So you could drive a bus between.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so they want you close together, which was a
Speaker 4: good lesson right from the beginning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you fit.
Speaker 1: We fit it. And then a week later she said,
Speaker 1: are you going to continue skating? And we didn't want to.
Speaker 1: We were a bit superstitious, and so we thought we said, well,
Speaker 1: we won't commit to it yet, give it another week,
Speaker 1: another week, and another week, and after a few months,
Speaker 1: so we're not sure. And to be honest, I've never
Speaker 1: agreed to skate with her.
Speaker 3: Yet, neither about it.
Speaker 2: Actually you have because you set up this last two us.
Speaker 2: So you're kind of going, okay, I'll skate with you.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll give it just a few more months.
Speaker 3: I don't you think that you're those partners that left
Speaker 3: you and went to London and out sort of they're
Speaker 3: probably a kicking themselves, but they're probably dining out on
Speaker 3: that story going.
Speaker 4: I used to skate with them when I was lett
Speaker 4: I got her ready for him something like that.
Speaker 1: It's strange, isn't it, That sliding door moments? Aren't they
Speaker 1: left and right? Those decisions and so much fate in
Speaker 1: your life, but so true, and then there's some decisions
Speaker 1: that you make they're just the right one.
Speaker 4: Ye?
Speaker 2: Was there?
Speaker 3: Was there someone that inspired you both to skate? Was
Speaker 3: there found other family members that were skaters?
Speaker 4: No, it was just when I was in primary school,
Speaker 4: when I was about eight nine years old. The teacher
Speaker 4: at the time, because we're lucky, we lived in a
Speaker 4: city in Nottingham that had an ice RM. I think
Speaker 4: missus McCarthy, I absolutely do. Was she decided to organize
Speaker 4: a trip after school trip for the kids in the
Speaker 4: class and said, you know, ask your parents' permission, and
Speaker 4: it costs this much and we'll go on Friday evening
Speaker 4: and it's quite funny now because it's probably a busload
Speaker 4: of twenty at least children, and she was the only adult.
Speaker 4: You know, how this all the chaperones and all that
Speaker 4: kind of health and safety.
Speaker 3: None of that.
Speaker 4: So off we went to the ice rink, went on
Speaker 4: the ice, we had a group coaching session, and I
Speaker 4: just loved it. I just loved the feeling of gliding.
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't say that I was amazing straight away.
Speaker 4: I had a certain sense of balance. But I was
Speaker 4: watching other skaters that were doing really good things and
Speaker 4: much better skaters than me, and I was thinking, I
Speaker 4: want to do that. I want to be able to spin.
Speaker 4: I want to be able to And it went from there,
Speaker 4: and then the coach at the time suggested that I
Speaker 4: join a Saturday morning club. And then beyond that, I
Speaker 4: pestered my parents police couldn't have a lesson, actual lesson,
Speaker 4: and they agree to it. And then of course I
Speaker 4: wanted When you go to the ice rink, you higher skates,
Speaker 4: and they're usually blue or brown. And I was seeing
Speaker 4: all these little girls, yeah, these little girls in white skates,
Speaker 4: and I wanted the white skates. And I said to
Speaker 4: my parents, please, may I have my own skates, and
Speaker 4: my mum famously said, well, we'll get you a second
Speaker 4: hand pair because we don't know how long you're going.
Speaker 2: To keep doing that, right, had answers.
Speaker 3: And she was, well, she certainly ate those words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm thinking Nottingham was not a mecca
Speaker 2: for ice skating.
Speaker 1: Well, you were surprised because at the time when we
Speaker 1: were skating, there weren't that many rinks around the country.
Speaker 1: There like eight or nine rinks and not even just
Speaker 1: happened to be one of them. And it had been
Speaker 1: since the war or just before the war, i think.
Speaker 1: And we had a hockey team that was quite popular
Speaker 1: called the Panthers, and so yeah, it had it had
Speaker 1: a tradition. But when we first started, when we think
Speaker 1: back at that time, there was at the end of
Speaker 1: the th there was sort of a stage area and
Speaker 1: there was the big organ and the guy that would
Speaker 1: play the music and his wife would stand beside him
Speaker 1: and she was all made up and everything and puls
Speaker 1: and he'd be playing when she turned the pages for him. Characters.
Speaker 4: So all the all the dance music that was generic. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was a dance interval as they call it. So
Speaker 4: all the waltzes and fox strots and everything. It was
Speaker 4: all played live.
Speaker 1: You know before when we used to take tests, proficiency
Speaker 1: tests and you'd hear the metronome first, then the music
Speaker 1: would come in and.
Speaker 3: Here we go, excuse to be out of time.
Speaker 1: Really it was when you think back of those days.
Speaker 4: All the ice swinks had organs. That was that was
Speaker 4: how you got the music.
Speaker 3: Fabulous?
Speaker 2: Isn't that funny that I like in America at the
Speaker 2: baseball like the World Series is on at the moment
Speaker 2: and it's that whole seventh inning stretch. It's still the
Speaker 2: going on, and the same in the lot of the
Speaker 2: basketball arenas across America as well. It's the organ get
Speaker 2: some more pumped up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when I grew doing ballet, when I was a
Speaker 3: little girl, we had a we had a missus such
Speaker 3: I remember she was a hunchback and she sat a posture,
Speaker 3: yeah really like a real, real severe hump. But she
Speaker 3: was so lovely and she would just smile at all
Speaker 3: the little girls forest which I forgot about that. But
Speaker 3: it was so delightful to have live music in a way,
Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, it's all hit the record or hit
Speaker 3: the iPhone, isn't it absolutely play it out you were you,
Speaker 3: I know, obviously famously you were a policeman while you
Speaker 3: were skating at the same time. Were you did you
Speaker 3: also were you full time skater? Did you have a
Speaker 3: part time job as not.
Speaker 4: A full time job an insurance company based in the
Speaker 4: center of Nottingham.
Speaker 1: We were true amateurs at the time because you couldn't
Speaker 1: earn any money from sponsorship sponsorship in the way as
Speaker 1: an amateur, so we had to have and also we
Speaker 1: couldn't afford not to. Our parents couldn't afford to pay
Speaker 1: for us, so we still had to work. And outside
Speaker 1: of work we then fitted the skating in, which was
Speaker 1: difficult more for Jane because when eventually, when I was
Speaker 1: a policeman, I had shift work. Yeah, it could be
Speaker 1: from six to two, two till ten midnight till eight
Speaker 1: the next morning, so we fitted skating in around that
Speaker 1: and Jane had until nine till five. So whenever I
Speaker 1: was available, then Jane would have to come to the rink.
Speaker 1: So you were a zombie in the office sometimes, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: and I was too. But after a shift, you know,
Speaker 1: take off one uniform and then put your skates on them.
Speaker 2: Back throws the skating clothes that was amazing. I was
Speaker 2: always thinking watching the Olympics and I've always been a fan.
Speaker 2: I've got to say of the outfits that that the
Speaker 2: skaters or people where when you get a chance to
Speaker 2: to do the free skate, like you do your classical
Speaker 2: ones that you have to do, and then you do
Speaker 2: your free skates or whatever you want to do. Who
Speaker 2: designed those for you, guys? Did you work on those
Speaker 2: together or is that Folks?
Speaker 1: We had a professional designer you just happened to be
Speaker 1: involved with skating. He was one of the skating He
Speaker 1: was a designer as well.
Speaker 4: But judges don't get paid, so it's like the amateur skaters,
Speaker 4: so they have job as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we used to have people that made
Speaker 1: missus and mine was you see how old we.
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: We had wrong gone at once these guys, that's what
Speaker 1: they did. YEA costume costumers the McGill It might come
Speaker 1: by the end of anyway, she this lady just did
Speaker 1: amazing work. But eventually she started losing a sign. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was sort of a bit feel the way around.
Speaker 1: But we have a story about the costumes because we
Speaker 1: wanted for Ballero, they arm braid.
Speaker 3: Yes, the pur.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, do you remember what you wore?
Speaker 2: But it was black with purple like the purple you
Speaker 2: weren't today.
Speaker 1: It was like an orchid that was thing. It was
Speaker 1: sort of deep rich purple that got lighter and then
Speaker 1: there was these little gold eplets that we had sort
Speaker 1: of the center of the orchid. But it were we
Speaker 1: wanted it to have sort of a Grecian feel at
Speaker 1: the same time, but the material that we we had
Speaker 1: to go and source the material. So we'd go down
Speaker 1: Berrick Street.
Speaker 4: And Lane and go to London for the day from
Speaker 4: Nottingham because and it was a big outing to go
Speaker 4: and get.
Speaker 1: So you'd go and source the material. How much do
Speaker 1: you want so? And then they cut the designs and
Speaker 1: fit it and start to shape it. But then when
Speaker 1: my top was done, it was in the downstairs loo
Speaker 1: of the costume designers because they every sort of two
Speaker 1: hours or so, they'd lift it up an inch.
Speaker 4: It was die.
Speaker 3: I love that it. At At one point are they
Speaker 3: in a museum now?
Speaker 4: Noting a mice arena which is on the site of
Speaker 4: the original notting mice rink is a museum now. It's
Speaker 4: a huge building now and they've got a museum part
Speaker 4: of it, and they've got several of our costumes, including and.
Speaker 1: Then just outside the ice rink, it's called Blu Square.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a tram named after us as well.
Speaker 1: Tram J says, I'm the back end of the tram.
Speaker 4: We get very excited actually, and my kids do it too,
Speaker 4: Like in Nottingham if we if we're there together, if
Speaker 4: the tram goes by, is it yours? Mom? Is it yours? Sometimes?
Speaker 4: I found myself in a restaurant in Nottingham with the
Speaker 4: kids once and I'm sitting there and the tram went
Speaker 4: by and I went, it's the trap.
Speaker 3: I was kind of doing it for them.
Speaker 2: Really, Are you guys kind of like uncles and ardies
Speaker 2: to your kids to you know, it's.
Speaker 1: In America, are they Yeah?
Speaker 4: They were not because your kids are in America and
Speaker 4: so on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what kids are like now, they're all
Speaker 1: about themselves.
Speaker 3: Did they go Did any of the kids take up?
Speaker 3: I'm skating nothing, but they've been.
Speaker 4: I mean my kids go. They put seasonal rinks up
Speaker 4: because I don't live close to an ice rink where
Speaker 4: I live in the UK, and they put seasonal rinks
Speaker 4: up at Christmas time, and almost every year they've they've
Speaker 4: gone and now they're go on their own because they're older,
Speaker 4: don't mum, And I'm quite happy about that. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But also we didn't want to force the kids skating
Speaker 1: and then be in the rink for the less part
Speaker 1: of our life. Either.
Speaker 4: They were successful, that's.
Speaker 3: True, because it's a that is a full time job
Speaker 3: when you get in the levels that you were skating at.
Speaker 3: So of course we have to touch on that.
Speaker 1: We have to the most.
Speaker 4: Famous we have to, I mean, but it's not only.
Speaker 3: The most famous ice dancing performance. I feel like it's
Speaker 3: just there's so much iconicness, if that's a word around it,
Speaker 3: because they they almost like bring it out almost every Olympics.
Speaker 3: They use that as footage. You know, it's it's in
Speaker 3: so many you know, historical terms that they talk about
Speaker 3: the tall and Dean Ballero performance. Did you were you
Speaker 3: actually training in Nottingham when you did that? Like did
Speaker 3: they actually have the organ player playing.
Speaker 1: There's a whole process when we started as kids to
Speaker 1: where we got to, and just from the music side,
Speaker 1: you know that our mentality is we got better. We
Speaker 1: wanted everything to get better as well. We always wanted
Speaker 1: to be doing the best we could, whether it was costumes, music, skating,
Speaker 1: we took everything as wanting it to be at its best.
Speaker 1: And so musically as we progressed from the Macca Mabel
Speaker 1: that we used to do, which was an overture that
Speaker 1: we found that was perfect and it was a silent
Speaker 1: movie theme that we did. But then we went to
Speaker 1: Barnum because we wanted to do a circus theme and
Speaker 1: then we met Michael Crawford that helped us with performance
Speaker 1: and acting, and then he then introduced us to the musicians,
Speaker 1: and the musicians agreed to give their time and record
Speaker 1: a bespoke again overture of Bones.
Speaker 4: They used a different arrangement to their normal overture, so
Speaker 4: it fitted into the four minutes that we allowed.
Speaker 1: Because skating used to be when it used to be
Speaker 1: two real to reels, a real to reel and you
Speaker 1: would raise the blade music and stick them together. Nowadays
Speaker 1: computers and everything, it's amazing what you can do. But
Speaker 1: when we got to Ballero, obviously we couldn't go back
Speaker 1: from having the music specially played for us. That so
Speaker 1: Balero we searched around for a blero that was four
Speaker 1: minutes long, and clearly the rhythm one because it's sixteen
Speaker 1: to eighteen minutes long the caore orchestral piece. But we
Speaker 1: wanted the same effect from that small intimate start to
Speaker 1: that crescendo that finishes. And so we then approached an
Speaker 1: arranger and he sat down and dissected it and he said,
Speaker 1: it sounds a simple tune, but it's really complex. And
Speaker 1: he said, I can only get it down to four
Speaker 1: minutes and twenty eight seconds. And our limit was either
Speaker 1: it should be four minutes, but you've got a ten
Speaker 1: seconds lead away, so three fifty or four ten. And
Speaker 1: so we thought about it, and then we got the
Speaker 1: rule book out and it's said that the stop the
Speaker 1: stopwatch starts when you begin to skate. So we started
Speaker 1: on our knees. James blade touched the ice at four
Speaker 1: minutes ten seconds.
Speaker 4: You can't technically skate until your blades on the ice,
Speaker 4: which which was white.
Speaker 3: I mean, the beginning of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so innovative. We've never seen anything like that before,
Speaker 1: and it came out of necessity.
Speaker 3: Ah, I mean again, and you talked about fate earlier
Speaker 3: on but like that just that's that's.
Speaker 4: Small, little well, it just because, as Chris said, we
Speaker 4: wanted to start small and intimate, and because we had
Speaker 4: to be on our knees and close together, it worked
Speaker 4: for the storyline anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that something like Michael Crawford taught you or
Speaker 2: you said, if you want to draw an audience and
Speaker 2: start small like that?
Speaker 1: So your really well the music suggested that. But he
Speaker 1: was very performance oriented, you know, he's very animated, and
Speaker 1: he spoke to you and when it was present and
Speaker 1: when he was talking about Barnum and some of the tricks,
Speaker 1: he told us some of the tricks that they did
Speaker 1: on stage. Yes, there's one where you wrap your legs
Speaker 1: around and go between your legs and the other side
Speaker 1: that they did on the stage and the effect of
Speaker 1: mid juggling and stuff like that, which we then were
Speaker 1: able to incorporate into the routine. But yeah, it was
Speaker 1: all about projection.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said if you don't if you don't believe it,
Speaker 4: like if if you don't believe you're juggling, the audience
Speaker 4: went for sure, and it was great advice for us
Speaker 4: moving forward.
Speaker 3: Is he in the audience in Sara Jeogoa when you dance?
Speaker 1: No? No, we worked with Michael the previous year were three,
Speaker 1: but he came to the performance there.
Speaker 2: Right, who came up with that finale, that final fling
Speaker 2: in that bollo dance, the sliding that when.
Speaker 1: You're through there. Yeah, well there's there's two parts to
Speaker 1: the Olympics. We did something called the passably.
Speaker 2: Passa doub that's the one I'm thinking, that's the one
Speaker 2: that you're thinking.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm thinking, lying on the floor for both times,
Speaker 4: yeahs around a bit.
Speaker 1: We looked at matadors, Yeah, looked at because in a
Speaker 1: Pasadobilian actual fact that the lady is the cape.
Speaker 4: In the ballroom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so if you watch what we did, she
Speaker 1: was always draped around me like a caper. I was
Speaker 1: holding her as if she was the cape, and it's
Speaker 1: always sort of that sweeping gesture to the ball at
Speaker 1: the end where you just lay down the cape. That's
Speaker 1: it again.
Speaker 4: We had the same costume designer who came up with
Speaker 4: that great of the big sleeves that made me look
Speaker 4: like a cape. It was kind of weird because most
Speaker 4: of the dance I was like that, so I was cape.
Speaker 2: Yeah you're a.
Speaker 1: Good looking caper.
Speaker 2: Did you ever just want to skate on your own?
Speaker 2: At that top level, or was it.
Speaker 1: My step mother and father. They used to do social dancing.
Speaker 1: They go out and social dance, and right from the
Speaker 1: beginning they encouraged me to do dancing. And when I
Speaker 1: first started, I just wanted to speed around the rink
Speaker 1: as fast as they could, and they'd be saying, don't
Speaker 1: become don't become a speed skater or a hockey skate,
Speaker 1: think about dancing, and so I went straight into the dance.
Speaker 1: I do remember them when I think the first time
Speaker 1: I got a pair of skates for Christmas, and I
Speaker 1: lived out in the countryside and we I couldn't just
Speaker 1: get into an ice rink. So for the first two
Speaker 1: weeks I walked around the house in my skates. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to skate, dying to skate, and eventually, when
Speaker 1: when I got to the ice rink, I launched onto
Speaker 1: the ice and I think I must have fallen over
Speaker 1: in excess of two hundred times. So it wasn't sort
Speaker 1: of a natural thing or look, I can skate, but
Speaker 1: I eventually mastered it and fell down less.
Speaker 3: You come to the end of the performance, crowd goes wild.
Speaker 3: Did you know in that moment you clinched the goal.
Speaker 4: Did you have that sense, Well, you know, it was
Speaker 4: ours to lose in the first place before we started,
Speaker 4: so there was a lot of pressure in that.
Speaker 1: We were champions the previous three years, right, Yeah, so
Speaker 1: the Olympics is.
Speaker 4: The end of the christ Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when
Speaker 4: we'd finished, we just wanted to skate well because we'd
Speaker 4: done so many rehearsals in training, we'd run through the
Speaker 4: whole thing. We'd run through the whole thing during the
Speaker 4: Olympics when we had our practice sessions, and we thought,
Speaker 4: if we don't skate this well, it will be so unlucky, yeah,
Speaker 4: and unfortunate, and we felt that we couldn't have skated
Speaker 4: it any better for us. There weren't any mistakes or anything.
Speaker 4: So just that in itself was a relief at the end.
Speaker 4: And then you know, there was a while before the
Speaker 4: marks were going to come up, and then when they did, well,
Speaker 4: we were still collecting flowers well and we kind of
Speaker 4: looked up because we heard a roar from the crowd
Speaker 4: and obviously it's because we've got the sixes.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's one of those routines though that it
Speaker 1: can be. We were in a bubble and so we
Speaker 1: were just performing it. But when we watched it back, the.
Speaker 4: Room was silent, which was great.
Speaker 1: It wasn't one of those performances where everybody you.
Speaker 4: Do a trick and the clap. We didn't want that anyway,
Speaker 4: did we know?
Speaker 1: We wanted to be engaging. People were withers as we
Speaker 1: were skating and sort of threw it away before.
Speaker 2: But I was saying when you fit together, but in
Speaker 2: that when you two danced together, there was such a
Speaker 2: synergy between you both that there was no It was
Speaker 2: like we were in our bubble watching it and to
Speaker 2: make any noise or that was like no, no, shut up,
Speaker 2: stop clapping, just watching in a.
Speaker 1: Way, yeah, beauty free together. We felt like people were
Speaker 1: watching something very private.
Speaker 3: Absolutely a moment. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: How did you stay grounded through that period?
Speaker 1: Telling your mom after your first won the World CHAMPIONSHIPH Yeah.
Speaker 4: When I came back from the first World Championships in
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty one, my parents, I grew up working class background.
Speaker 4: My parents, you know, they worked their whole lives and everything.
Speaker 4: Eventually ran a news agent shop, which for them was
Speaker 4: a big deal because it was a business.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Anyway, I came back from the World championships, and I said, oh, Mom,
Speaker 4: we won't this. She obviously knew we weren't. I said,
Speaker 4: mom's great, we want She said, oh yeah, well there's
Speaker 4: always someone better than you though. Oh, I went, well,
Speaker 4: not in this moment.
Speaker 1: They're always grounded it.
Speaker 4: And then I kind of thought about it after, because well, yeah,
Speaker 4: she's right, because the you know, for someone coming up.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that working class thing that also if
Speaker 1: you'd have when you used to borrow some money for
Speaker 1: you from your mom for like a five or ten
Speaker 1: pounds or something and told you this is how much
Speaker 1: you owe me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah. I always had to pay everything, and
Speaker 4: if I if I snuck into the sweet shop and
Speaker 4: took a few sweets out of the jaw, I had
Speaker 4: to put money in the till because it had to balance.
Speaker 3: Did you ever have to pay back for the secondhand
Speaker 3: pair of skates that she bought?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I got away with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got away with that one.
Speaker 3: You've been known for your creativity, obviously and pushing the
Speaker 3: boundaries in ice dancing. Do you remember that was there
Speaker 3: ever a crazy, wild, unconventional idea or performance that you
Speaker 3: actually never got to perform? Was there something that you
Speaker 3: wanted to, like, let's do a trampoline in the middle
Speaker 3: of the eyes. I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I think we've had crazy ideas and we've managed to
Speaker 4: make them pull them utwork.
Speaker 1: One of the rewarding things that we did we made
Speaker 1: a documentary and we shut it in Alaska.
Speaker 3: Yes, I wanted to ask you about because.
Speaker 1: Most of our time on the ice it's in a
Speaker 1: building and it's manufacturing contained. You know, it's frozen pipes
Speaker 1: that are underlane with underlining under the ice, with free
Speaker 1: arm going through it and you spray over it and
Speaker 1: it creates ice.
Speaker 2: Plus you got a fence around the outside the barrier.
Speaker 1: And but we went to Alaska and we skated the
Speaker 1: ballero on a lake, open natural lake, and the backdrop
Speaker 1: wasn't the rink, it wasn't the mountains a video screen.
Speaker 1: It was the mountains and all the beautiful pine trees
Speaker 1: and it was natural and for and there was nobody there.
Speaker 1: There was not an audience.
Speaker 4: There was a camera and that was so rewarding to
Speaker 4: be able to it was just some adding that because
Speaker 4: we always say that when you skate, you've got this
Speaker 4: sense of freedom and flying almost and have been able
Speaker 4: to do it outdoors without any barriers and restrictions. It
Speaker 4: was I don't know. It's quite an emotional feeling because
Speaker 4: it's something we never thought we'd be able to know.
Speaker 1: Also, we felt quite small because it was.
Speaker 4: The vastness of the lake because there was a drone
Speaker 4: as well, so you could see from the top. You
Speaker 4: know how small we were compared to the lake and everything.
Speaker 3: So I wish I could remember his name. There's someone
Speaker 3: I follow on Instagram. He He's Canadian and he was
Speaker 3: he never won a medal or anything in the Olympics,
Speaker 3: but he was. He was a professional or is a
Speaker 3: professional skater. But what he does all of his Instagram
Speaker 3: post is him ice skating, doing the wild large.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's doing our show.
Speaker 2: Was watching you to see if you had any I.
Speaker 3: Like makes me want to cry because the it's the
Speaker 3: freedom he has when he skates, and you're just the
Speaker 3: way that camera follows him around and it's just I
Speaker 3: think I've sent you a couple of his posts. They
Speaker 3: are just it's just magic.
Speaker 4: We've never met him, have we. You've spoken to him,
Speaker 4: I think now, But that's how Chris came across him.
Speaker 4: From the post you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're excited with some of the cast that we.
Speaker 3: Exactly does the back he just he injured his knee
Speaker 3: a little bit, that's right. But apparently it was the
Speaker 3: hottest summer in Alaska? Was that right when you were
Speaker 3: searching for that ice exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were. I mean it had this sort of
Speaker 1: undercurrent talking about climate change as well, and we flew
Speaker 1: up onto the glaciers and walked around. But you could
Speaker 1: see how much it was declining from where it used
Speaker 1: to be and what it was where it was. Then, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, mice ice may be gone before we know it.
Speaker 4: Well, the first lake that they had identified for is
Speaker 4: the crew and everything. When we got to it, it
Speaker 4: wasn't going to be frozen enough. You know, there's so
Speaker 4: many inches they need.
Speaker 1: And obviously we did find safety the free What was
Speaker 1: the terminology that.
Speaker 4: Skating?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had these special blazes that were like this long,
Speaker 1: and we're on one lake and we just could go
Speaker 1: for miles.
Speaker 4: And skate, never stop, never go around the corner.
Speaker 1: And then we did something unique as well that Jane
Speaker 1: I they we cut a hole and I went in
Speaker 1: in a dry suit, scupa diving Jane skated.
Speaker 4: Above me skated over the top of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like doing some risky things.
Speaker 4: Chris is the dare devil.
Speaker 2: I would have.
Speaker 3: Preferred to be.
Speaker 2: So tell me. Did the dry I mean obviously you
Speaker 2: stay dry, but you still get really cold though, don't
Speaker 2: you You did it?
Speaker 1: It was yeah. I mean they had a little tent
Speaker 1: and they had a heater in it, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was cold.
Speaker 4: Well when we did the actual skate, the final skate,
Speaker 4: and we had a tent because it's in the middle
Speaker 4: of nowhere so there's no dressing room, had a tent
Speaker 4: with heaters in and we literally we did our warming up,
Speaker 4: went back into the tent, run back house again and
Speaker 4: then did.
Speaker 1: The performance and several times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, several times. But it was, you know, having that
Speaker 4: tent there to warm up because it was I don't
Speaker 4: know minus whatever it was, but it was very, very cold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was just an experience, yeah something.
Speaker 2: And outside the boundary too, is incredible. It just as
Speaker 2: you're talking about that remind me of that movie Papillon
Speaker 2: with Dustin Hoffman and Steve McQueen and Steve McQueen's in
Speaker 2: the prison and he can only work walk five steps
Speaker 2: before he hits the wall and then when he finally
Speaker 2: gets out of his prison cell, he walks six and
Speaker 2: falls over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does six steps.
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, So here, you guys are outside of
Speaker 2: the dimensions of what you're used to be doing. You're
Speaker 2: in the open, open terrain.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 2: Must have been very liberating.
Speaker 1: And another funny story from that when we were going
Speaker 1: to Fairfax. So we were in Anchorage and we were
Speaker 1: going up to Fairfax on the train and I think
Speaker 1: it was like a ten hour trainer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a famous train journey that people that connect the.
Speaker 1: Two and on the way we were looking, we were
Speaker 1: thinking that we'd see ice on the way, and the
Speaker 1: conductor said, well, just stop. The train just got off
Speaker 1: and we shoveled some ice out of the way and
Speaker 1: we did a little skate and all the passengers that
Speaker 1: he was watching, and then we got back on and
Speaker 1: carried on. It's one of those trains where people that
Speaker 1: live off grid, off grid was just coming wave down
Speaker 1: and the train will stop and they get on.
Speaker 4: There's no actual station really until to the end.
Speaker 1: It's really.
Speaker 3: Imagine it being mentor being a passenger on that train
Speaker 3: that who.
Speaker 2: Are those two idiots? A little skating.
Speaker 3: You did another documentary I wanted to ask you about
Speaker 3: ice rink on the Estate. Can you tell us a
Speaker 3: little bit about that one as well?
Speaker 1: That was quite special that it was working with underprivileged
Speaker 1: children in Nottingham, Nottingham called the Saint Anne's Area, which
Speaker 1: was actually quite close to the rink, and it was
Speaker 1: about giving opportunity for kids that would never have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to have the money on go skating, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So we worked with them and they couldn't skate or anything,
Speaker 1: and we took them to the rink and we taught
Speaker 1: them things. Then as a group we kind of put
Speaker 1: together a performance that was going to be a one
Speaker 1: night performance for all the families.
Speaker 4: In an outdooring. Wasn't it on the estate?
Speaker 1: But it's quite interesting that the young kids from this
Speaker 1: state were quite feral.
Speaker 4: We got I don't know how many the first day
Speaker 4: came and there was certain adults that brought them along
Speaker 4: and then we said, right, so rehearsal tomorrow is at
Speaker 4: X time, ten o'clock in the morning whatever it was,
Speaker 4: and only half of them turn up. And then the
Speaker 4: next day you get a different half and so you
Speaker 4: don't get everybody at the same time, and right we
Speaker 4: were just horrified because having put together many shows, the
Speaker 4: professionals are there and they're looking at you right on
Speaker 4: time and you say do this, and I know they
Speaker 4: can actually skate, but it's just that discipline and they
Speaker 4: certainly didn't have that, and you know, they've never grown
Speaker 4: up in a normal sort of situation. There was a
Speaker 4: lot of problems there, but some of them were really
Speaker 4: they overcome it by the end and we did do
Speaker 4: a show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's one of those things. Actually on the
Speaker 1: dress rehearsal and I think it was was it in
Speaker 1: November time, it teamed down.
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, yeah, ruins the ice and.
Speaker 1: Oh no. But then the day of the actual performance
Speaker 1: it was fine. It was put the zamboni back on it.
Speaker 3: But I wonder what I wondered. I mean, that's such
Speaker 3: a gift for those kids to have had the experience
Speaker 3: of being both with you and like sort of feeling
Speaker 3: like they mattered for that time, you know, and.
Speaker 4: They were given their own skates as well. We just thought,
Speaker 4: you know, if if two of them carry on skating,
Speaker 4: or you know, even if they didn't enjoy it, they think, well,
Speaker 4: skating is not for me, but maybe I'll try this. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: It's all about the experience. The experience and and we
Speaker 1: you know, we took some of the kids because we
Speaker 1: had to go and find money for it, so we
Speaker 1: went around to local businesses capping hand kind of thing
Speaker 1: we had made. The kids were the ones that were
Speaker 1: asking for the support. So it showed another side of
Speaker 1: things of if you determined to do something, you can
Speaker 1: make something happen. Yeap action question.
Speaker 2: We all go through crises of confidence and you guys
Speaker 2: were held up on a pedestal. How would you deal
Speaker 2: with those moments during your.
Speaker 5: Career and subsequently, well, I think one of the times
Speaker 5: you had an injury when we were competing, when we.
Speaker 1: Were competing and as a moment a crisis and that
Speaker 1: we were Generally, each year you do the European Championships,
Speaker 1: which is a precursor to the World Championships because most
Speaker 1: of the best skaters are European and Russian. And this
Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty three, and nineteen eighty three was the
Speaker 1: pre year before the picks, and so nineteen eighth three
Speaker 1: was a big year, so it was important to win
Speaker 1: the World Championships going into the following year for the
Speaker 1: Olympics and the European Championships. We had a big forward,
Speaker 1: didn't we.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were training the barn and routine and we
Speaker 4: fell and I ended up fracturing my shoulder and so
Speaker 4: we literally had to pull out the European Championships. And
Speaker 4: for us that's the first time we'd had to miss
Speaker 4: a big competition. We've done all our British Championships, European
Speaker 4: World and as Chris said, it was the year before
Speaker 4: the Olympic.
Speaker 1: Year, so it was letting up competitors.
Speaker 4: In someone else was going to win that Europeans. It
Speaker 4: wasn't going to be USU.
Speaker 1: So coming back from that, we had about seven or
Speaker 1: eight weeks before the World Championships and so we just
Speaker 1: you know, we had to get over the year. The
Speaker 1: injury better every night as a fracture, so we had
Speaker 1: to come to turn with that, and then when it
Speaker 1: was time to get back on the ice, the process
Speaker 1: of getting back was emotional difficult, but as a team,
Speaker 1: I think you have to come together and work together
Speaker 1: and understand each other what we need to do, and
Speaker 1: we realized that we had to be possibly bigger and better,
Speaker 1: better than ever than ever when we went to the
Speaker 1: World Championships some eight weeks later to say to everybody,
Speaker 1: we're still here.
Speaker 4: We're still had lots of tape on my shoulder blade,
Speaker 4: but we always made sure it was hidden, so whenever
Speaker 4: the doctor did it, it was in private, like in
Speaker 4: my room or something not in the dressing room, in
Speaker 4: the changing room. So it was yeah, because a shoulder
Speaker 4: injury like that, with your fractually shoulder blade, you can't
Speaker 4: put it in plaster, you can't do anything. It just
Speaker 4: has to heal, and there's not a lot of blood
Speaker 4: supply to that area, so I had to be really
Speaker 4: really careful not to put it back by training too
Speaker 4: much or doing too much with it at first. But
Speaker 4: as Christian, you know, we had an extra several weeks
Speaker 4: of training. I remember we couldn't bear to watch the
Speaker 4: European Championships on the television. No, we couldn't because it
Speaker 4: was emotional for.
Speaker 3: Us, like we shouldn't be there.
Speaker 4: But having said that, when we did get ready to
Speaker 4: go to the World Championships, we felt more than trained,
Speaker 4: more than ready because we'd had those extra weeks.
Speaker 1: I think that I think those moments of crisis actually
Speaker 1: makes you even more determined and stronger sure to want
Speaker 1: to be if you've got the passion and the desire.
Speaker 3: I think it's so brave as well. I mean, particularly
Speaker 3: for you, Jane, you know, the amount that you're being
Speaker 3: thrown about, tossed about, I mean, I know it texs
Speaker 3: bravery to do that as well for the man you've
Speaker 3: got like literally the you know, the woman's hands, you know,
Speaker 3: life in the hands.
Speaker 2: Chris dropped her and she broke her shoulder. That's what's
Speaker 2: just been talking about the last minutes.
Speaker 1: Said that Jane has broken my nose. I've landed on
Speaker 1: top of him a few times, laid through my hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've squashed the disc So I interrupted your No.
Speaker 3: I was just saying, it's like there's so much bravery
Speaker 3: that has to be involved. And then to get back
Speaker 3: on the ice after, you know, and do that same
Speaker 3: routine again when when.
Speaker 2: They hurts, when you fall on ice, and if you're
Speaker 2: going at speed that you two are. Yeah, yeah, how would.
Speaker 3: You both like to be remembered in the world of
Speaker 3: figure skating.
Speaker 4: We'll just be.
Speaker 1: Remembered that, yeah, yeah, just being you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: when you think of figure skating, certainly here in Australia,
Speaker 1: most people go, oh Tovel. Indeed they do, and so
Speaker 1: it's the memory of yeah, yeah, that's sort of our legacy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that the memory has not dimmed as well,
Speaker 3: Like it's yeah, it's very very vivid for all of
Speaker 3: us who got to see it, and you know, and
Speaker 3: in ensuing years as well.
Speaker 2: So I I brought this up the other day on
Speaker 2: the golf course with my mates. I said, we're interviewing
Speaker 2: Tauvel and Dean on our podcast next week. Anyone got questions.
Speaker 2: I can't ask you any of the questions, but they
Speaker 2: all were like, it's amazing, that was so good. Can
Speaker 2: you just tell us what's happening in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: tells us a bit more about the tour and what
Speaker 2: we can expect.
Speaker 4: Well, we want to celebrate our career and this is
Speaker 4: our last dance, so we want to tell the story
Speaker 4: that you know about our life and how we got
Speaker 4: to where we are, starting from you know, as kids,
Speaker 4: when we started out winning our first European Championships with
Speaker 4: Maca Mabel, which was quite a departure from the routines
Speaker 4: we've been doing before and the progression there and because
Speaker 4: we've got a company of amazing professional skaters with us.
Speaker 4: For instance, Mica Mabel is based around the Silent movie theme,
Speaker 4: so we're doing we're expanding that from the four minute
Speaker 4: routine to.
Speaker 1: A big everybody share production number of different and that
Speaker 1: comes our number. So it's sort of a down memory
Speaker 1: lane for us, and there'll be audio visual stuff, will
Speaker 1: be chatting on the ice as well as skating. So
Speaker 1: it's an evening were than our story, but we're being
Speaker 1: accompanied by some amazing skaters, yes, clearly.
Speaker 3: And so many of your shows are already sold out.
Speaker 3: I know there are tickets available to some, but already yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, that's how much we love you are already
Speaker 3: like getting tickets to this one.
Speaker 2: And just okay, so how old were you in about
Speaker 2: and I need to know the details in nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: four you're in your twenty twenties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we do the math.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not doing the math, but I'm just going
Speaker 2: we've got you guys past physically, right, You've got what
Speaker 2: supplements are you taking? What do you do to stay
Speaker 2: supple and strong?
Speaker 1: You know you just have to keep working. We're doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, we're in the gym keep skating, you watch
Speaker 1: what you eat, and I think it's the continuity that
Speaker 1: we just have kept skating. Okay, we're in the ice
Speaker 1: rink all the time. You know, cold ice rinks are
Speaker 1: not so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you look amazing. Spent a long time inside.
Speaker 3: This is you know, Separate Bathrooms is a relationship podcast,
Speaker 3: and we love to ask just a question to end
Speaker 3: the show with. Could you describe each other in one word?
Speaker 1: Oh, silence, hello, darkness. I don't know about one word,
Speaker 1: but three, I've got three.
Speaker 4: Okay, my best friend, I knew he was going to
Speaker 4: say that that was mine, that was going to be mine.
Speaker 3: So beautiful, Oh my gosh, that is just gorgeous. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much for your time. We just wish you
Speaker 3: all the best with the tour. I know it's going
Speaker 3: to be amazing, but it's just been a real honor
Speaker 3: to get to speak with you by.
Speaker 1: Thank you lovely speaking with you too. Thank you.
Speaker 2: That's great. I know I know they've left the bathroom
Speaker 2: and we both looking at each other and.
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean we've spoken to some pretty I mean
Speaker 3: we've spoken to many, many wonderful people and couples. I
Speaker 3: think they're the biggest celebrities. I would call them celebrities
Speaker 3: that we've ever spoken to, but in a way that
Speaker 3: just is so interwoven into the fabric of my childhood.
Speaker 3: And I mean, you know how much. I mean, you
Speaker 3: love the Olympics, and I love the Olympics too, And
Speaker 3: the ice dancing is boys one of my favorite things
Speaker 3: to watch. I can't remember a single other routine than
Speaker 3: any other couple have ever done, though I've watched every
Speaker 3: four years. But see one that I just stands out
Speaker 3: the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, to me, they blended the ballero one blended
Speaker 2: into the passa double one of the cape and but
Speaker 2: that's my memory going, that's a blend. But you're right,
Speaker 2: I don't remember any other ice performance other than I'm
Speaker 2: going to say those two because they both sort of
Speaker 2: they're both so iconic.
Speaker 1: And he was he and he still is.
Speaker 2: He's such a wonderful man. And just I mean, tell
Speaker 2: listen to what you said just before about him when
Speaker 2: they were so he's.
Speaker 3: Just such a very warm person. I mean, they're both
Speaker 3: so lovely. Yeah, it just has a real warmth of care.
Speaker 2: And yeah, and I was thinking about that when and
Speaker 2: you said that that here he is he's supported her
Speaker 2: and lifted her up and kept her safe all that time,
Speaker 2: like traveling at that speed and doing all those things
Speaker 2: in the trust that she had to place in him.
Speaker 2: Bravery she had totally totally brave, and that she had
Speaker 2: to be on point as well, because if she wasn't
Speaker 2: at the place where she was meant to be, she'd
Speaker 2: be on her ass, you know. And I imagine that
Speaker 2: happened a lot in your practice.
Speaker 3: But she broke his nose apparently, as she said.
Speaker 2: We didn't quite get into how she broke hisp your bustard.
Speaker 2: But no, they were just so they're just so lovely
Speaker 2: and as you say, they are, they're icons of a
Speaker 2: time that they they seared into many of our memories
Speaker 2: because it was so innovative and beautiful. And I say
Speaker 2: that again, how they fit and how they just went
Speaker 2: around and they just fit together and move together.
Speaker 1: It was like that was art.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was movable art. There you go, there you go.
Speaker 3: Well we're gushing clearly. Yeah, So we so hope you
Speaker 3: loved the episode as much as we did. Remember you
Speaker 3: can get your tickets for the tour Our last dance. Yeah,
Speaker 3: go see that.
Speaker 2: Ju June twenty twenty it'll heat. It'll be the winter
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five here in Australia heating up winter
Speaker 2: with torvel.
Speaker 1: Undan, to E and d.
Speaker 3: You won't get to see them again, So this is it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not doing Elton John, they're not doing it.
Speaker 2: They're not doing a sting coming back, coming back Pharnsie, Well,
Speaker 2: hopefully we'll see Faransie come back. But yeah, yeah, thanks
Speaker 2: for listening, thanks for being with us.
Speaker 3: Bye,