Speaker 1: And then a week later she said, are you going
Speaker 1: to continue skating? And we were a bit superstitious and
Speaker 1: so we thought we said, well, we won't commit to it.
Speaker 2: Yet, give it another week, another week, and another week,
Speaker 2: and after a few months, so you've got.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, I've never agreed to skat with
Speaker 1: her yet neither.
Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to
Speaker 3: acknowledge the Gadigle people of the Eora nation, the traditional
Speaker 3: custodians of this land, and pay our respects to the elders,
Speaker 3: both past and present.
Speaker 2: High Street hut.
Speaker 4: Hello, I'm Camdado.
Speaker 2: You excited.
Speaker 4: I'm very very excited.
Speaker 5: Why.
Speaker 3: Well, we've said this before, we can say it, we
Speaker 3: can say it, we can say it again. This job
Speaker 3: that we do in entertainment, it's pretty awesome. We get
Speaker 3: to do some wonderful things. We meet amazing people, and
Speaker 3: we've had some unique experiences along the way. Today is
Speaker 3: one of them. We're all in for something really special.
Speaker 3: Ice skating legends Jane Torvell and Christopher Dean are with
Speaker 3: us in the studio.
Speaker 2: In years I.
Speaker 4: Know it was at the Sarajevo Winter Olympics that they
Speaker 4: made history, completing their gold medal winning performance to Ravel's
Speaker 4: Ballero at the nineteen eighty four Winter Olympics. This was
Speaker 4: an iconic, heart stopping performance which had a UK television
Speaker 4: audience of twenty four million and an estimated worldwide audience
Speaker 4: of hundreds of millions of viewers on the edge of
Speaker 4: their seats. I was one of them. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: of course. Well this became one of the greatest sporting
Speaker 4: moments of the twentieth century and set a new standard
Speaker 4: for world class figure skating.
Speaker 3: So after hanging up their skates since several years out
Speaker 3: of the public eye, they once again became household names,
Speaker 3: becoming head judges on Dancing on Ice for sixteen series.
Speaker 3: They've had streets named after them, created documentaries and chased
Speaker 3: skating on wild ice for filming, and they're now on
Speaker 3: their final tour. Our Last Dance. Australia is a special
Speaker 3: place for Tauval and Dean. With their first professional show
Speaker 3: being produced back in the.
Speaker 4: Eighties, they've shared a remarkable fifty year partnership. Let's get
Speaker 4: to know them better and we'll hear about what they
Speaker 4: have planned for us Ozzie's in twenty twenty five. Please
Speaker 4: welcome the incredible Jane and Christober known around the world
Speaker 4: as Tauville and Dean.
Speaker 3: Guys, welcome to the massroom.
Speaker 2: Also on the production, they will just call us T
Speaker 2: and D T ANDD.
Speaker 4: I like that. That makes it easier.
Speaker 5: We'll do that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Congratulations on what has been and actually really continues to
Speaker 4: be an incredible career. Our last dance it says it all.
Speaker 4: Of course, how are you feeling about the impending retirement,
Speaker 4: I mean of that particular world for you.
Speaker 5: It's kind of weird to think that this time next
Speaker 5: year we will have been retired already, because we're coming
Speaker 5: out to Australia in June of next year. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: after that we're done't we That's it?
Speaker 2: We may stay who knows, stay here, finish the tour
Speaker 2: and just stay.
Speaker 4: The will wrap you up and keep you here very easily,
Speaker 4: I have no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: Will you keep skating?
Speaker 3: Is it something you enjoyed doing?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I choreograph a lot for all skaters, so that may
Speaker 1: be in my future. But having said that, from our
Speaker 1: point of view from skating on a regular basis, because
Speaker 1: we're always scheduling ourselves for the next event, and right now,
Speaker 1: we're obviously in the throes of getting ready for the tour,
Speaker 1: which is exciting. We're really excited about what the tour
Speaker 1: is going to be, and we're excited about going out
Speaker 1: for the last time. But I'm sure as we get
Speaker 1: to that final performance, it will become emotional and sentimental.
Speaker 1: Of course, you know we've grown up together.
Speaker 2: We were fifteen, Well, we knew each other when we
Speaker 2: were ten years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we started skating together when we were fifteen years old,
Speaker 1: and we've just about spoken to each other every day
Speaker 1: since then.
Speaker 2: So I don't think that will change.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's an incredible partnership, Like obviously you've I
Speaker 4: mean that outlasted most marriages. I mean, that's like a
Speaker 4: true that's a childhood friendship that you've managed to maintain
Speaker 4: in such a beautiful way. Why do you think that is?
Speaker 4: What is it about each of you that's you've been
Speaker 4: able to maintain it for this long?
Speaker 5: Well, obviously, you know the skating as all has always
Speaker 5: been our passion. Yeah, and you know, we both have
Speaker 5: the same feelings about skating, and we're always we went
Speaker 5: through all the competitive years up till eighty four, but
Speaker 5: then beyond that we were excited to continue to skate
Speaker 5: and be creative. As Chris said, we formed our own
Speaker 5: skating company down here in Australia and there were no restrictions.
Speaker 5: There were no rules of competition or anything. So it
Speaker 5: was just like an open door, wasn't it. And having
Speaker 5: won the Olympics talking of open doors, that opened doors
Speaker 5: everywhere around the world for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we transitioned from sports people to entertainers,
Speaker 1: and then we went into the area of working with
Speaker 1: artists like Grag Murphy from Sydney and then Yo Yomar,
Speaker 1: famous cellists. So we've just done so many different things.
Speaker 1: But it's because of that one four minute routine back
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four that gathers this longevity.
Speaker 3: It's incredible, It is incredible. I do want to ask
Speaker 3: you about the mindset change from moving from sports people
Speaker 3: to entertainers, what what, But there are other things I
Speaker 3: want to cover before that.
Speaker 2: We want to get just.
Speaker 3: Go back to when you were kids. What was do
Speaker 3: you remember your first impressions of each other.
Speaker 5: I just remember seeing Chris at the rink before we
Speaker 5: skatered together, and amongst friends of mine, I called him
Speaker 5: the Blonde Prince because he had really his blonde now,
Speaker 5: but it was like really white blonde hair as a youngster.
Speaker 5: And I said, oh, the blonde prince is here again
Speaker 5: on top that.
Speaker 4: If the shoe fits right, he's got away that the
Speaker 4: princess bride was that that wasn't a thing yet, was
Speaker 4: it the princess bride?
Speaker 3: Because I could see why you would be like a
Speaker 3: Westley you know right, you guys are princess butter Cup
Speaker 3: and Wesley right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Was it immediate? The chemistry on ice when you when
Speaker 4: you start you started dancing at fifteen and sixteen? Is
Speaker 4: that correct?
Speaker 5: Together?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I I was always dancing and Jeane had been in
Speaker 1: another casual figure skating called pair skating. So at the
Speaker 1: Nottingham ice rink where we both started skating, she was
Speaker 1: the Queen Bee because she was a champion.
Speaker 5: I was a British champione quite young, mainly because there
Speaker 5: weren't many pair skating couples.
Speaker 2: There's only two of.
Speaker 5: Us, there was only two in that national cham we were.
Speaker 1: But then her partner thought that going off to London
Speaker 1: was the place to be, so he left you. And
Speaker 1: then the partner that I had had the same impression
Speaker 1: that she wanted to go to London and the big
Speaker 1: smoke and make it big down there. So we were
Speaker 1: without partners, and then the coach at the time just
Speaker 1: suggested that we try out. And we were fifteen years
Speaker 1: old and quite naive. You know, back in those days,
Speaker 1: there's no social media or anything like that, so you
Speaker 1: were still a bit naive of yeah, fifteen years and
Speaker 1: she put us together. And remember it was one Thursday morning,
Speaker 1: wasn't it, and about six am in the morning, and
Speaker 1: nobody else is there, and the knoting ice rink is
Speaker 1: a cold, dark, dank place, and you see the rats
Speaker 1: scory as you turn the lights on.
Speaker 2: So is that the rats got the skatee scor and
Speaker 2: chasing them off the ice. Anyway, she put us together,
Speaker 2: and she put us in.
Speaker 1: A dance holder waltz hold, and to begin with, we
Speaker 1: were sort of like really distanced apart, but then she
Speaker 1: like squeezed us together, so our hips were against each
Speaker 1: other and that was kind of awkward for us, and
Speaker 1: we were like looking around, and then she said, I've
Speaker 1: just got to get something from a dressing room. So
Speaker 1: she scooted off the ice and left us there, and
Speaker 1: we had we didn't move.
Speaker 2: We didn't move, We didn't say anything.
Speaker 1: We were just sort of searching around with our eyes
Speaker 1: left in the middle of the eyes at six o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, and finally she came back out about
Speaker 1: five minutes later and said, well, you've passed your first test.
Speaker 2: You're still here.
Speaker 5: The idea is that when you're a dance couple, you
Speaker 5: dance as close together as you can and that creates
Speaker 5: a better line and everything. So that's the reason she
Speaker 5: pushed our hips together because a lot you quite often
Speaker 5: couples that are starting out dancing, they do tend to
Speaker 5: do that.
Speaker 2: So you could drive a bus between. Yeah, so they.
Speaker 5: Want you close together, which was a good lesson right
Speaker 5: from the beginning.
Speaker 2: So you fit, We fit it.
Speaker 1: And then a week later she said, are you going
Speaker 1: to continue skating?
Speaker 2: And we didn't want to. We were a bit.
Speaker 1: Superstitious, and so we thought we said, well, we won't
Speaker 1: commit to it yet, give it another week, another week,
Speaker 1: and another week, and after a few months, so we're
Speaker 1: not sure. And to be honest, I've never agreed to
Speaker 1: skate with her yet, neither.
Speaker 4: About it.
Speaker 3: Actually you have because you set up this last two weeks,
Speaker 3: so you're kind of going, Okay, i'll skate with you.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll give it just a few more months.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that you're those partners that left
Speaker 4: you and went to London and out sort of they're
Speaker 4: probably a kicking themselves, but they're probably dining out on
Speaker 4: that story going. I used to skate with her when
Speaker 4: I was letting.
Speaker 2: I got her ready for him something like that.
Speaker 1: It's strange, isn't it. That sliding door moments, aren't they
Speaker 1: left and right? Those decisions and so much fate in
Speaker 1: your life, but so true, and then there's some decisions
Speaker 1: that you make they're just the right one.
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 1: Was there?
Speaker 4: Was there someone that inspired you both to skate? Was
Speaker 4: there found other family members that were skaters?
Speaker 5: No, it was just when I was in primary school
Speaker 5: when I was about eight nine years old. The teacher
Speaker 5: at the time, because we're lucky, we lived in a
Speaker 5: city in Nottingham that had an ice RM. I think
Speaker 5: missus McCarthy, I absolutely do. Was she decided to organize
Speaker 5: a trip after school trip for the kids in the
Speaker 5: class and said, you know, ask your parents' permission, and
Speaker 5: it costs this much and we'll go on Friday evening
Speaker 5: and It's quite funny now because there was probably a
Speaker 5: busload of twenty at least children, and she was the
Speaker 5: only adult. You know how this all the always chaperones
Speaker 5: and all that kind of health and safety, none of that.
Speaker 5: So off we went to the ice rink, went on
Speaker 5: the ice, we had a group coaching session, and I
Speaker 5: just loved it. I just loved the feeling of gliding.
Speaker 5: And I wouldn't say that I was amazing straight away.
Speaker 5: I had a certain sense of balance, but I was
Speaker 5: watching other skaters that were doing really good things and
Speaker 5: much better skaters than me, and I was thinking, I
Speaker 5: want to do that. I want to be able to spin.
Speaker 5: I want to be able to And it went from there,
Speaker 5: and then the coach at the time suggested that I
Speaker 5: join a Saturday morning club. And then beyond that, I
Speaker 5: pestered my parents police couldn't have a lesson, actual lesson,
Speaker 5: and they agree to it. And then of course I
Speaker 5: wanted when you go to the ice rink, you higher skates,
Speaker 5: and they're usually blue or brown. And I was seeing
Speaker 5: all these little girls, yeah, these little girls in white skates,
Speaker 5: and I wanted to white skates. And I said to
Speaker 5: my parents, please, may I have my own skates, and
Speaker 5: my mum famously said, well, we'll get you a second
Speaker 5: hand pair because we don't know how long you're going
Speaker 5: to keep doing.
Speaker 3: That, right, had.
Speaker 4: Answers and she was, well, she certainly ate those words.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm thinking Nottingham was not a mecca
Speaker 3: for ice skating.
Speaker 1: Well, you was surprised because at the time when we
Speaker 1: were skating, there weren't that many rinks around the country,
Speaker 1: the like eight or nine rinks and not even just
Speaker 1: happened to be one of them. And it had been
Speaker 1: since the war or just before the war, i think,
Speaker 1: And we had a hockey team that was quite popular
Speaker 1: called the Panthers, and so yeah, it had it had
Speaker 1: a tradition. But when we first started, when we think
Speaker 1: back at that time, there was at the end of
Speaker 1: the there was sort of a stage area and there
Speaker 1: was the big organ and the guy that would play
Speaker 1: the music and his wife would stand beside him and
Speaker 1: she was all made up and everything and puls and
Speaker 1: he'd be playing when she turned the pages for him. Characters.
Speaker 5: So all the all the dance music that was genericly, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was in a dance interval as they call it.
Speaker 5: So all the waltzes and fox strots and everything. It
Speaker 5: was all played live.
Speaker 1: Before when we used to take tests, proficiency tests, and
Speaker 1: you'd hear the metronome first, then the music would come in.
Speaker 2: And here we go home. Excuse. Really it was when
Speaker 2: you think back of those days.
Speaker 5: All the ice swings had organs. That was that was
Speaker 5: how you got the music.
Speaker 4: Fabulous.
Speaker 3: It's funny that I like in America at the baseball
Speaker 3: like the World Series us on at the moment and
Speaker 3: it's that whole seventh inning stretch, it's still the organ
Speaker 3: going on, and the same in the lot of the
Speaker 3: basketball arenas across America as well. It's the organ get
Speaker 3: some more pumped up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I grew doing ballet, when I was a
Speaker 4: little girl, we had a we had a missus such
Speaker 4: I remember she was a hunchback and she.
Speaker 2: Sat in a posture.
Speaker 4: Yeah really like a real, real severe hump. But she
Speaker 4: was so lovely and she would just smile at all
Speaker 4: the little girls forest which I forgot about that. But
Speaker 4: it was so delightful to have live music in a way.
Speaker 4: You know, it's all hit the record or hit the iPhone,
Speaker 4: isn't it absolutely play it out? You were you. I
Speaker 4: know obviously famously you were a policeman while you were
Speaker 4: skating at the same time. Were you did you also
Speaker 4: were you full time skater? Did you have a part
Speaker 4: time job as not a.
Speaker 5: Full time job an insurance company based in the center
Speaker 5: of Nottingham.
Speaker 1: We were true amateurs at the time because you couldn't
Speaker 1: earn any money from sponsorship sponsorship in a way as
Speaker 1: an amateur, so we had to have and also we
Speaker 1: couldn't afford not to. Our parents couldn't afford to pay
Speaker 1: for us, so we still had to work. And outside
Speaker 1: of work we then fitted the skating in, which was
Speaker 1: difficult more for Jane because when eventually, when I was
Speaker 1: a policeman, I had shift work.
Speaker 2: It could be.
Speaker 1: From six to two, two till ten midnight till eight
Speaker 1: the next morning, so we fitted skating in around that
Speaker 1: and Jane had.
Speaker 2: Nine till five.
Speaker 1: So whenever I was available, then Jane would have to
Speaker 1: come to the rink. So you were a zombie in
Speaker 1: the office sometimes, yeah, definitely, and I was too. But
Speaker 1: after a shift, you know, take off one uniform and
Speaker 1: then put your skates on them.
Speaker 3: Back throws the skating clothes. That was amazing.
Speaker 2: I was always.
Speaker 3: Thinking watching the Olympics, and I've always been a fan.
Speaker 3: I've got to say of the outfits that that the
Speaker 3: skaters or people where when you get a chance to
Speaker 3: to do the free skate, like you do your classical
Speaker 3: ones that you have to do, and then you do
Speaker 3: your free skates or whatever you want to do. Who
Speaker 3: designed those for you?
Speaker 2: Guys?
Speaker 3: Did you work on those together or is that folks?
Speaker 1: Because we had a professional designer, he just happened to
Speaker 1: be involved with skating.
Speaker 2: He was one of the skating He was a designer
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 5: But judges don't get paid, so it's like the amateur skaters,
Speaker 5: so they have a proper job as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we used to have people that made
Speaker 1: missus mine was you see how old we.
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: We had wrong gone at once. These guys, that's what
Speaker 2: they did. Costumes, costumers McGill.
Speaker 5: It might come by the end.
Speaker 1: Of anyway, she's this lady just did amazing work, but
Speaker 1: eventually she started losing a sight came.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was sort of a bit feel the way around.
Speaker 1: But we have a story about the costumes because we
Speaker 1: wanted for Ballero they arm braid.
Speaker 3: Yes, I was going to say, do you remember what
Speaker 3: you wore, but it was black with purple like the
Speaker 3: purple you weren't today.
Speaker 2: Almost it was like an orchid, that was thing.
Speaker 1: It was sort of deep rich purple that got lighter
Speaker 1: and then there was these little gold epplets that we
Speaker 1: had sort of the center of the orchid.
Speaker 2: But it were we wanted it to have sort of a.
Speaker 1: Grecian feel at the same time, but the material that
Speaker 1: we we had to go and source the material.
Speaker 2: So we'd go down Berwick Street and.
Speaker 5: Go to London for the day from Nottingham because it
Speaker 5: was a big outing to go and get.
Speaker 1: So you'd go and source the material. How much do
Speaker 1: you want so? And then they cut the designs and
Speaker 1: fit it and start to shape it. But then when
Speaker 1: my top was done, it was in the downstairs loo
Speaker 1: of the costume designers because they every sort of two
Speaker 1: hours or so they'd lift it up an inch.
Speaker 2: It was die.
Speaker 4: I love that it was. At At one point are
Speaker 4: they in a museum now?
Speaker 5: The notting Mice Arena, which is on the site of
Speaker 5: the original notting Ice.
Speaker 2: Rink, is a museum now.
Speaker 5: It's a huge building now and they've got a museum
Speaker 5: part of it and They've got several of our costumes, including.
Speaker 2: And then just outside the ice rink it's called Blu Square. Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a tram named after us as well.
Speaker 1: Tram James says. I'm the back end of the tram.
Speaker 5: We get very excited actually, and my kids do it too,
Speaker 5: Like in Nottingham if we if we're there together, if
Speaker 5: the tram goes by, is it yours? Mom? Is it yours? Sometimes?
Speaker 5: I found myself in a restaurant in Nottingham with the
Speaker 5: kids once and I was sitting there and the tram
Speaker 5: went by and I went, it's the trap. I was like,
Speaker 5: I was kind of doing it for them.
Speaker 3: Really, Are you guys kind of like uncles and ardies
Speaker 3: to your kids to you know, it's in America, are they?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: They were, because your kids are in America and so on.
Speaker 1: Yeh, you know what kids are like now, they're all
Speaker 1: about themselves.
Speaker 4: Did they go Did any of the kids take up
Speaker 4: I'm skating nothing, but they've been. I mean, my kids go.
Speaker 4: They put seasonal rinks up because I don't live close
Speaker 4: to an ice rink where I live in the UK,
Speaker 4: and they put seasonal rinks up at Christmas time and
Speaker 4: almost every year they've they've gone and now they go
Speaker 4: on their own because they're older, don't go with mum,
Speaker 4: And I'm quite happy about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But also we didn't want to force the kids skating
Speaker 1: and then be in the rink for the less part
Speaker 1: of our life.
Speaker 2: Either.
Speaker 5: They were successful, that's.
Speaker 4: True, because it's a that is a full time job
Speaker 4: when you get in the levels that you were skating at.
Speaker 4: So of course we have to touch on that. We
Speaker 4: have to the most famous we have to I mean,
Speaker 4: but it's not only the most famous ice dancing performance.
Speaker 4: I feel like it's just there's so much iconicness, if
Speaker 4: that's a word around it, because they they almost like
Speaker 4: bring it out almost every Olympics. They use that as footage.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's in so many you know, historical
Speaker 4: terms that they talk about the Tall and Dean Bolero performance.
Speaker 4: Did you were you actually training in Nottingham when you
Speaker 4: did that? Like did they actually have the organ player playing.
Speaker 1: There's a whole process when we started as kids to
Speaker 1: where we got to, and just from the music side,
Speaker 1: you know that our mentality is we got better. We
Speaker 1: wanted everything to get better as well. We always wanted
Speaker 1: to be doing the best we could, whether it was costumes, music, skating, we.
Speaker 2: Took everything as wanting.
Speaker 1: It to be at its best, and so musically as
Speaker 1: we progressed from the Macca Mabel that.
Speaker 2: We used to do, which was.
Speaker 1: An overture that we found that was perfect and it
Speaker 1: was a silent movie theme that we did.
Speaker 2: But then we went to Barnum.
Speaker 1: Because we wanted to do a circus theme and then
Speaker 1: we met Michael Crawford that helped us with performance and acting,
Speaker 1: and then he then introduced us to the musicians and
Speaker 1: the musicians agreed to give their time and record a
Speaker 1: bespoke again overture of they.
Speaker 5: Used a different arrangement to their normal overture, so it
Speaker 5: fitted into the four minutes that we allowed.
Speaker 1: Because skating used to be when it used to be
Speaker 1: two reel to reels a real to reel and you
Speaker 1: would raise the blade music and stick them together.
Speaker 2: Nowadays computers and everything, it's amazing what you can do.
Speaker 1: But when we got to Balero, obviously we couldn't go
Speaker 1: back from having the music specially played for us. That
Speaker 1: so Balero, we searched around for a blero that was
Speaker 1: four minutes long and clearly the rhythm one because it's
Speaker 1: sixteen to eighteen minutes long the caore orchestral piece. But
Speaker 1: we wanted the same effect from that small intimate start
Speaker 1: to that crescendo that finishes. And so we then approached
Speaker 1: an arranger and he sat down and dissected it and
Speaker 1: he said, it sounds a simple tune, but it's really complex.
Speaker 1: And he said, I can only get it down to
Speaker 1: four minutes and twenty eight seconds. And our limit was
Speaker 1: either it should be four minutes, but you've got a
Speaker 1: ten seconds the way, so three fifty or four ten.
Speaker 1: And so we thought about it and then we got
Speaker 1: the rule book out and it's said that the stop
Speaker 1: the stopwatch starts when you begin to skate.
Speaker 2: So we started on our knees.
Speaker 1: James blade touched the ice at four minutes ten seconds.
Speaker 5: You can't technically skate until your blades on the ice.
Speaker 4: Which which was white, I mean the beginning een.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so innovative. We've never seen anything like that before.
Speaker 2: And it came out of necessity.
Speaker 4: Ah, I mean again, and you talked about fate earlier on,
Speaker 4: but like that, just that's that's small little.
Speaker 5: Well it worked just because as Chris said, we wanted
Speaker 5: to start small and intimate, and because we had to
Speaker 5: be on our knees and close together, it worked for
Speaker 5: the storyline anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that something like Michael Crawford taught you or said,
Speaker 3: if you want to draw an audience and start small
Speaker 3: like that?
Speaker 2: So your really well the music suggested that.
Speaker 1: But he was very performance oriented, you know, he's very animated,
Speaker 1: and he spoke to you and when it was present
Speaker 1: and when he was talking about Barnum and some of
Speaker 1: the tricks he told us some of the tricks that
Speaker 1: they did on stage.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's one where you wrap your legs around and
Speaker 2: going between your legs and on the other.
Speaker 1: Side that they did on the stage, and the effect
Speaker 1: of mid juggling and stuff like that, which we then
Speaker 1: were able to incorporate into the routine. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: was all about projection.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he said if you don't if you don't believe it,
Speaker 5: like if if you don't believe you're juggling, the audience.
Speaker 4: Went for sure, and it was a great advice for
Speaker 4: us moving forward. Is he in the audience in Sara
Speaker 4: Jovo when you dance?
Speaker 1: No, No, we worked with Michael the previous year when
Speaker 1: we were doing.
Speaker 2: Three. But he came to the performance there who came.
Speaker 3: Up with that finale, that final fling in that bollo dance,
Speaker 3: the sliding that when you're through there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's there's two parts to the Olympics. We
Speaker 1: did something called the passa doble.
Speaker 3: Passa doug that's the one I'm thinking, that's the one
Speaker 3: that you think. That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: Lying on the floor for both times, Yeah, burst around
Speaker 4: a bit.
Speaker 1: We looked at matadors, Yeah, looked at because in a
Speaker 1: Pasadobian actual fact that the lady is the cape in
Speaker 1: the ballroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.
Speaker 1: If you watch what we did, she was always draped
Speaker 1: around me like a caper. I was holding her as
Speaker 1: if she was the cape, and it's always sort of
Speaker 1: that sweeping gesture to the ball at the end where
Speaker 1: you just lay down the cape.
Speaker 2: That's it again.
Speaker 5: We had the same costume designer who came up with
Speaker 5: that great idea of the big sleeves that made.
Speaker 2: Me look like a cape.
Speaker 5: It was kind of weird because most of the dance
Speaker 5: I was like that, so I was cape.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're a good looking caper.
Speaker 3: Did you ever just want to skate on your own
Speaker 3: at that top level or was it.
Speaker 1: My step mother and father they used to do social dancing.
Speaker 1: They go out and social dance, and right from the
Speaker 1: beginning they encouraged me to do dancing. And when I
Speaker 1: first started, I just wanted to speed around the rink
Speaker 1: as fast as I could, and they'd be saying, don't
Speaker 1: become don't become a speed skater or a hockey skate,
Speaker 1: think about dancing, and so I went straight into the dance.
Speaker 2: I do remember them.
Speaker 1: When I think the first time I got a pair
Speaker 1: of skates for Christmas, and I lived out in the
Speaker 1: countryside and we I couldn't just get into an ice rink.
Speaker 1: So for the first two weeks I walked around the
Speaker 1: house in my skates. I just wanted to skate, dying
Speaker 1: to skate, and eventually, when when I got to the
Speaker 1: ice rink, I launched onto the ice and I think
Speaker 1: I must have fallen over in excess of two hundred times.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't sort of a natural thing or look,
Speaker 1: I can skate, but I eventually mastered it and fell
Speaker 1: down less.
Speaker 4: You come to the end of the performance, crowd goes wild.
Speaker 4: Did you know in that moment you clinched the goal,
Speaker 4: did you have that sense?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it was ours to lose in the
Speaker 5: first place before we started, so there was a lot
Speaker 5: of pressure in.
Speaker 1: That we were champions the previous three, right, yeah, So
Speaker 1: the Olympics is.
Speaker 4: The end of the christo Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So when we'd finished, we just wanted to skate
Speaker 5: well because we'd done so many rehearsals in training, we'd
Speaker 5: run through the whole thing. We'd run through the whole
Speaker 5: thing during the Olympics when we had our practice sessions,
Speaker 5: and we thought, if we don't skate this well, it
Speaker 5: will be so unlucky, yeah, and unfortunate, and we felt
Speaker 5: that we couldn't have skated it any better for us.
Speaker 5: There weren't any mistakes or anything, so just that in
Speaker 5: itself was a relief at the end. And then you know,
Speaker 5: there was a while before the marks were going to
Speaker 5: come up, and then when they did, well, we were
Speaker 5: still collecting flowers well and we kind of looked up
Speaker 5: because we heard a roar from the crowd and obviously
Speaker 5: it's because we've got the sixes in. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's one of those routines though that it can be.
Speaker 1: We were in a bubble, and so we were just
Speaker 1: performing it. But when we watched it back, the.
Speaker 2: Room was silent, which was great. It wasn't one of
Speaker 2: those performances where everywhere you do.
Speaker 5: A trick and the clap. We didn't want that anyway.
Speaker 2: Did we know? We wanted to be engaging. People were
Speaker 2: withers as we were skating and sort of threw it
Speaker 2: away before.
Speaker 3: But I was saying when you fit together, but in
Speaker 3: that in when you two danced together, there was such
Speaker 3: a synergy between you both that there was no It
Speaker 3: was like we were in our bubble watching it and
Speaker 3: to make any noise or that was like no, no,
Speaker 3: shut up, stop clapping, just watching.
Speaker 2: In a way, yeah, free together. We felt like people
Speaker 2: were watching something very private, absolutely a moment.
Speaker 3: How did you stay grounded through that period?
Speaker 1: I'll tell your mom after your first won the World champions.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, when I came back from first World Championships
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty one. My parents I grew up working
Speaker 5: class background. My parents, you know, they worked their whole
Speaker 5: lives and everything. Eventually ran a news agent shop, which
Speaker 5: for them was a big deal because it was a business.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Anyway, I came back from the World Championships, and I said, oh, Mom,
Speaker 5: we want this. She obviously knew we want. I said,
Speaker 5: Mom's great, we want She said, well, yeah, well there's
Speaker 5: always someone better than you, though. Oh I went, well,
Speaker 5: not in this moment.
Speaker 2: They're always grounded.
Speaker 5: I'll do it. And then I kind of thought about
Speaker 5: it after, because well, yeah, she's right, because the you know,
Speaker 5: for someone coming up.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that working class thing that also if
Speaker 1: you'd have when you used to borrow some money for
Speaker 1: you from your mom for like a five or ten
Speaker 1: pounds or something, right note and told you this is
Speaker 1: how much you owe me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah. I also had to pay everything, and
Speaker 5: if I if I snuck into the sweet shop and
Speaker 5: took a few sweets out of the jaw, I had
Speaker 5: to put money in the till because it had to balance.
Speaker 4: Did you ever have to pay back for the secondhand
Speaker 4: pair of skates that she bought you?
Speaker 5: No, I didn't know. I got away with that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I got away with that one.
Speaker 4: You've been known for your creativity, obviously and pushing the
Speaker 4: boundaries in ice dancing. Do you remember the was there
Speaker 4: ever a crazy, wild, unconventional idea or performance that you
Speaker 4: actually never got to perform. Was there something that you
Speaker 4: wanted to, like, let's do a trampoline in the middle
Speaker 4: of the eyes.
Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think we've had crazy ideas
Speaker 5: and we've managed to make them pull them artwork.
Speaker 1: One of the rewarding things that we did we made
Speaker 1: a documentary and we shut it in Alaska.
Speaker 4: Yes, I wanted to ask you about.
Speaker 1: Because most of our time on the ice it's in
Speaker 1: a building.
Speaker 2: And it's manufacturing contained.
Speaker 1: You know, it's frozen pipes that are underlane with underlining
Speaker 1: under the ice, with free arm going through it and
Speaker 1: spray over it and it creates ice.
Speaker 3: Plus you got a fence around the outside the barrier.
Speaker 1: And but we went to Alaska and we skated the
Speaker 1: ballero on a lake, open natural lake, and the backdrop
Speaker 1: wasn't the rink, it wasn't the mountains a video screen.
Speaker 1: It was the mountains and all the beautiful pine trees
Speaker 1: and it was natural and for and there was nobody there.
Speaker 1: There was not an audience. There was a camera, and
Speaker 1: that was so rewarding to be able to it.
Speaker 5: Was just adding that because we always say that when
Speaker 5: you skate you've got this sense of freedom and flying
Speaker 5: almost and have been able to do it outdoors without
Speaker 5: any barriers and restrictions. It was I don't know. It's
Speaker 5: quite an emotional feeling because it's something we never thought
Speaker 5: we'd be able to.
Speaker 1: Also, we felt quite small, yeah, because it specs and
Speaker 1: the vastness of the lake, because.
Speaker 5: There was a drone as well, so you could see
Speaker 5: from the top. You know how small we were compared
Speaker 5: to the lake and everything.
Speaker 4: So's I wish I could remember his name. There's someone
Speaker 4: I follow on Instagram. He he's Canadian and he was
Speaker 4: he never won a medal or anything in the Olympics,
Speaker 4: but he was he was a professional or is a
Speaker 4: professional skater. But what he does all of his Instagram
Speaker 4: post is him ice skating doing the wild large.
Speaker 2: Yes, he's doing our show.
Speaker 6: Was watching you to see if you had any I
Speaker 6: have to watch it like makes me want to cry
Speaker 6: because it's the freedom he has when he skates and
Speaker 6: you're just the way that camera follows him around and.
Speaker 4: It's just I think I've sent you a couple of
Speaker 4: his posts. They are just it's just magic.
Speaker 5: We've never met him, have we You've spoken to him,
Speaker 5: I think now, But that's how Chris came across him
Speaker 5: from the past. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're excited with some of the cast that.
Speaker 4: Well exactly does the back he just he injured his
Speaker 4: knee a little bit, that's right. But apparently it was
Speaker 4: the hottest summer in Alaska? Was that right when you
Speaker 4: were searching for that, I.
Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, we were.
Speaker 1: I mean it had this sort of undercurrent talking about
Speaker 1: climate change as well, and we flew.
Speaker 2: Up onto the glaciers.
Speaker 1: And walked around. But you could see how much it
Speaker 1: was declining from where it used to be and what
Speaker 1: it was where it was. Then, Yeah, you know, mice
Speaker 1: ice may be gone before we know it.
Speaker 5: Well, the first lake that they had identified for is
Speaker 5: the crew and everything. When we got to it, it
Speaker 5: wasn't going to be frozen enough. You knows so many
Speaker 5: inches they need. And obviously we.
Speaker 1: Did find health and safety the free what was the
Speaker 1: terminology that.
Speaker 5: Skating.
Speaker 2: We had these special.
Speaker 1: Blazes that were like this long, and we're on one
Speaker 1: lake and we just could go for miles.
Speaker 5: And never stopped, never go around the corner.
Speaker 1: And then we did something unique as well that Jane I.
Speaker 1: They we cut a hole and I went in in
Speaker 1: a dry suit scuper diving.
Speaker 2: Jane skated above me.
Speaker 5: Skated over the top of it. Essentially.
Speaker 2: Oh, I like doing some risky things.
Speaker 5: Chris the dare Devil.
Speaker 4: I would have preferred to be you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me. Did the dry I mean obviously you
Speaker 3: stayed dry, but you still get really cold though, don't you.
Speaker 5: You did it?
Speaker 2: We was yeah, I mean they had a little tent
Speaker 2: and they had a heater in it, but yeah, it
Speaker 2: was cold.
Speaker 5: Well, when we did the actual skate, the final skate,
Speaker 5: we had a tent because it's in the middle of nowhere,
Speaker 5: so there's no dressing room or anything. We had a
Speaker 5: tent with heaters in and we literally we did our
Speaker 5: warming up, went back into the tent, run back house
Speaker 5: again and then did the performance and several times, yeah,
Speaker 5: several times. But it was, you know, having that tent
Speaker 5: there to warm up because it was I don't know
Speaker 5: minus whatever it was, but it was very, very cold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was just an experience, yeah something and
Speaker 3: outside the boundary too, is incredible. It just as you're
Speaker 3: talking about that remind me of that movie Papillon with
Speaker 3: Dustin Hoffman and Steve McQueen and Steve McQueen's in the
Speaker 3: prison and he can only work walk five steps before
Speaker 3: he hits the wall, and then when he finally gets
Speaker 3: out of his prison cell, he walks six and falls over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does six steps and.
Speaker 3: It's like wow, So here you guys are outside of
Speaker 3: the dimensions of what you're used to be doing.
Speaker 2: You're in the open, open terrain. Amazing.
Speaker 3: Must have been very liberating.
Speaker 1: And another funny story from that when we were going
Speaker 1: to Fairfax. So we were in Anchorage and we were
Speaker 1: going up to Fairfax on the train and I think
Speaker 1: it was like a ten hour trainer.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a famous train journey that people.
Speaker 2: That connect the two And on the way we were looking.
Speaker 1: We were thinking that we see ice on the way,
Speaker 1: and the conductor said, well, just stop.
Speaker 2: The train just got off and.
Speaker 1: We shoved some ice out of the way and we
Speaker 1: did a little skate and all the passengers that he
Speaker 1: was watching, and then we got back on and carried on.
Speaker 2: It's one of those trains where people.
Speaker 5: That live off grid, off gridge was just coming.
Speaker 2: Wave down and the train will stop and they get on.
Speaker 5: There's no actual station really to the end.
Speaker 2: It's really.
Speaker 4: Imagine it being imagine being a passenger on that trying that.
Speaker 2: Who are those two idiots?
Speaker 3: A little skating?
Speaker 4: You did another documentary I wanted to ask you about
Speaker 4: ice rink on the Estate. Can you tell us a
Speaker 4: little bit about that one as well?
Speaker 1: That was quite special that it was working with underprivileged
Speaker 1: children in Nottingham, Nottingham called the Saint Anne's Area, which
Speaker 1: was actually quite close to the rink, and it was
Speaker 1: about giving opportunity for kids that would never have the
Speaker 1: opportunity to have the money on go skating, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So we worked with them and they couldn't skate or anything,
Speaker 1: and we took them to the rink and we taught
Speaker 1: them things. Then as a group we kind of put
Speaker 1: together a performance that was going to be a one
Speaker 1: night performance for all the families.
Speaker 5: In an outdoor ring. Wasn't it on the estate.
Speaker 1: But it's quite interesting that the young kids from this
Speaker 1: state were quite feral wet.
Speaker 5: I don't know how many. The first day came and
Speaker 5: there was certain adults that brought them along and then
Speaker 5: we said, right, so rehearsal tomorrow is at X time,
Speaker 5: ten o'clock in the morning, whatever it was, and only
Speaker 5: half of them turn up there. And then the next
Speaker 5: day you get a different half, and so you don't
Speaker 5: get everybody at the same time. And right we were
Speaker 5: just horrified because having put together many shows, the professionals
Speaker 5: are there and they're looking at you right on time
Speaker 5: and you say do this, and I know they can
Speaker 5: actually skate, but it's just that discipline and they certainly
Speaker 5: didn't have that, and you know, they've never grown up
Speaker 5: in a normal sort of situation. There was a lot
Speaker 5: of problems there, but some of them were really.
Speaker 2: They overcome it by the end, and we did do
Speaker 2: a show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was one of those things. Actually on
Speaker 1: the dress rehearsal and I think it was was it
Speaker 1: in November time it teamed down.
Speaker 5: Oh that's right, yeah, it ruins then oh.
Speaker 2: No, But then the day of the actual performance, it was.
Speaker 3: Fine, put the zamboni back on it.
Speaker 4: But I wondered what I wondered. I mean, that's such
Speaker 4: a gift for those kids to have had the experience
Speaker 4: of being both with you and like sort of feeling
Speaker 4: like they mattered for that time, you know, and.
Speaker 5: They were given their own skates as well. We just thought,
Speaker 5: you know, if if two of them carry on skating,
Speaker 5: or you know, even if they didn't enjoy it. They think, well,
Speaker 5: skating is not for me, but maybe I'll try this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: It's all about the experience.
Speaker 1: The experience, and we you know, we took some of
Speaker 1: the kids because we had to go and find money
Speaker 1: for it, so we went around to local businesses, cap
Speaker 1: in hand kind of thing we had made. The kids
Speaker 1: were the ones that were asking for the support. So
Speaker 1: it showed another side of things of if you determined
Speaker 1: to do something, you can make something happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeap action.
Speaker 2: Question.
Speaker 3: We all go through crises of confidence and you guys.
Speaker 2: Were held up on a pedestal.
Speaker 3: How would you deal with those moments during your career and.
Speaker 1: Subsequently, well, I think one of the times you had
Speaker 1: an injury when we were competing, when we were competing
Speaker 1: and as a moment a crisis and that we were generally,
Speaker 1: each year you do the European Championships, which is a
Speaker 1: precursor to the World Championships because most of the best
Speaker 1: skaters are European and Russian. And this was nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 1: and nineteen eighty three was the pre year before the Pics,
Speaker 1: and so nineteen eighty three was a big year, so
Speaker 1: it was important to win the World Championships. Going into
Speaker 1: the following year for the Olympics and the European Championships,
Speaker 1: we had a big ford, didn't we.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we were training the barn and routine and we
Speaker 5: fell and I ended up fracturing my shoulder and so
Speaker 5: we literally had to pull out the European Championships. And
Speaker 5: for us, that's the first time we'd had to miss
Speaker 5: a big competition. We've done all our British Championships, European
Speaker 5: World and as Chris said, it was the year before
Speaker 5: the Olympic year.
Speaker 2: So it was letting up competitors.
Speaker 5: In someone else was going to win that Europeans. It
Speaker 5: wasn't going to be us for sure.
Speaker 1: So coming back from that, we had about seven or
Speaker 1: eight weeks before the World Championships and so we just
Speaker 1: you know, we had to get over the year. The
Speaker 1: injury better over night as a fracture, so we had
Speaker 1: to come to turn with that, and then when it
Speaker 1: was time to get back on the ice, the process
Speaker 1: of getting back was emotional difficult, but as a team,
Speaker 1: I think you have to come together and work together
Speaker 1: and understand each other what we need to do. And
Speaker 1: we realized that we had to be possibly bigger and
Speaker 1: better motter than ever than ever when we went to
Speaker 1: the World Championships some eight.
Speaker 2: Weeks later to say to everybody, we're still here.
Speaker 5: We're still had lots of tape on my shoulder blade,
Speaker 5: but we always made sure it was hidden, so whenever
Speaker 5: the doctor did it, it was in private, like in
Speaker 5: my room or something, not in the dressing room, in
Speaker 5: the changing room. So it was yeah, because a shoulder
Speaker 5: injury like that, if you fractually shoulder blade, you can't
Speaker 5: put it in plaster, you can't do anything. It just
Speaker 5: has to heal, and there's not a lot of blood
Speaker 5: supply to that area. So I had to be really
Speaker 5: really careful not to put put it back by training
Speaker 5: too much or doing too much with it at first.
Speaker 5: But as Christian, you know, we had an extra several
Speaker 5: weeks of training. I remember we couldn't bear to watch
Speaker 5: the European Championships on the television. No, we couldn't because
Speaker 5: it was emotional for us, like we shouldn't be that.
Speaker 5: But having said that, when we did get ready to
Speaker 5: go to the World Championships, we felt more than trained,
Speaker 5: more than ready because we'd had those extra weeks.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 1: I think those moments of crisis actually makes you even
Speaker 1: more determined and stronger sure to want to be if
Speaker 1: you've got the passion and the desire.
Speaker 4: I think it's so brave as well. I mean, particularly
Speaker 4: for you, Jane, you know, the amount that you're being
Speaker 4: thrown about, tossed about, I mean, I know it takes
Speaker 4: bravery to do that as well for the man you've
Speaker 4: got like literally you know, the woman's hands, you know,
Speaker 4: life in the hands.
Speaker 3: Chris dropped her and she broke her shoulder. That's what
Speaker 3: it's just been talking about the last minutes.
Speaker 1: Said that Jane has broken my nose on top of
Speaker 1: him a few times, laid through my hand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've squashed the disc So I interrupted your No.
Speaker 4: I was just saying, it's like there's so much bravery
Speaker 4: that has to be involved. And then to get back
Speaker 4: on the ice after, you know, and do that same
Speaker 4: routine again when when they.
Speaker 3: Hurts, when you fall on ice and if you're going
Speaker 3: it's speed that you two are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, how would you both like to be remembered
Speaker 4: in the world of figure skating.
Speaker 5: We'll just be remembered that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just being you know, like you said, when
Speaker 1: you think of figure skating, certainly here in Australia, most people.
Speaker 2: Go oh Tovel. Indeed they do.
Speaker 1: And so it's the memory of yeah, yeah, that's sort
Speaker 1: of our legacy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that the memory has not dimmed as well,
Speaker 4: Like it's just yeah, it's very, very vivid for all
Speaker 4: of us who got to see it, and you know,
Speaker 4: and in ensuing years as well.
Speaker 3: So I I brought this up the other day on
Speaker 3: the golf course with my mates. I said, we're interviewing
Speaker 3: Tauvel and Dean on our podcast next week. Anyone got questions.
Speaker 3: I can't ask you any of the questions, but they
Speaker 3: all were like, that's amazing, real, that was so good.
Speaker 3: Can you just tell us what's happening in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 3: What tells us a bit more about the tour and
Speaker 3: what we can expect.
Speaker 5: Well, we want to celebrate our career and this is
Speaker 5: our last dance, so we want to tell the story
Speaker 5: that you know, about our life and how we got
Speaker 5: to where we are, starting from you know, as kids,
Speaker 5: when we started out winning our first European championships with
Speaker 5: Macca Mabel, which was quite a departure from the routines
Speaker 5: we've been doing before and the progression there, and because
Speaker 5: we've got a company of amazing professional skaters with us.
Speaker 5: For instance, Mica and Mabel is based around the Silent
Speaker 5: movie theme, so we're doing we're expanding that from the
Speaker 5: four minute routine to a.
Speaker 1: Big everybody share of production, number of different and that
Speaker 1: comes our number. So it's sort of a down memory
Speaker 1: lane for us. And there'll be audio visual stuff, will
Speaker 1: be chatting on the ice as well as skating, So
Speaker 1: it's an evening were than our story, but we're being
Speaker 1: accompanied by some amazing skaters, yes, clearly.
Speaker 4: And so many of your shows are already sold out.
Speaker 4: I know there are tickets available to some, but already yeah,
Speaker 4: you know that's how much we love you are already
Speaker 4: like getting tickets to this one.
Speaker 3: And just okay, so how old were you in about
Speaker 3: and I need to know the details. In nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: four you're in your twenty twenties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we do the math.
Speaker 3: Now I'm not doing the math, but I'm just going
Speaker 3: we've got you guys past physically right, You've got what
Speaker 3: supple ones are you taking? What do you do to
Speaker 3: stay supple and strong?
Speaker 2: You know you just have to keep working. We're doing it.
Speaker 2: You know, we're in the gym, keep skating.
Speaker 1: You watch what you eat, and I think it's the
Speaker 1: continuity that we just have kept skating. Okay, we're in
Speaker 1: the ice rink all the time. You know, cold ice
Speaker 1: rinks are not so.
Speaker 3: Because you look amazing. The spent a long time inside.
Speaker 4: This is you know. Separate Bathrooms is a relationship podcast,
Speaker 4: and we love to ask just a question to end
Speaker 4: the show with. Could you describe each other in one word?
Speaker 2: Oh, silence, hello, darkness. Male. I don't know about one word,
Speaker 2: but three, I've got three. Okay, my best friend.
Speaker 5: I knew he was going to say that that was mine,
Speaker 5: that was going to be mine.
Speaker 4: So beautiful, Oh my gosh, that is just gorgeous. Thank
Speaker 4: you so much for your time. We just wish you
Speaker 4: all the best with the tour. I know it's going
Speaker 4: to be amazing. But it's just been a real honor
Speaker 4: to get to speak with you by thank.
Speaker 2: You lovely speaking with you too to thank you. That
Speaker 2: was great.
Speaker 3: I know, I know they've left the bathroom and we
Speaker 3: both look at each other and hang, wow, I mean.
Speaker 4: We've spoken to some pretty I mean we've spoken to many,
Speaker 4: many wonderful people and couples. I think they're the biggest celebrities.
Speaker 4: I would call them celebrities that we've ever spoken to.
Speaker 4: But in a way that just is so interwoven into
Speaker 4: the fabric of my childhood. And I mean, you know
Speaker 4: how much. I mean, you love the Olympics, and I
Speaker 4: love the Olympics too, And the ice dancing is always
Speaker 4: one of my favorite things to watch. I can't remember
Speaker 4: a single other routine any other couple have ever done.
Speaker 4: I've watched every four years, but see one that I
Speaker 4: just stands out the best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, to me, they blended the ballero one blended
Speaker 3: into the passa double one of the cape and but
Speaker 3: that's my memory going, that's a blend. But you're right,
Speaker 3: I don't remember any other ice performance other than I'm
Speaker 3: going to say those two because they both sort of
Speaker 3: they're both so iconic and he was well he and
Speaker 3: he still is. He's such a wonderful man and just
Speaker 3: I mean, tell listen to what you said just before
Speaker 3: about him when they were.
Speaker 4: So he's just such a very warm person. I mean,
Speaker 4: they're both so lovely. Yeah, it just has a real
Speaker 4: warmth of care.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was thinking about that, and you said that.
Speaker 2: That here he is.
Speaker 3: He's supported her and lifted her up and kept her
Speaker 3: safe all that time, like traveling at that speed and
Speaker 3: doing all those things in the trust that she had
Speaker 3: to place in him. Bravery She had totally totally brave,
Speaker 3: and that she had to be on point as well,
Speaker 3: because if she wasn't at the place where she was
Speaker 3: meant to be, she'd be on her ass, you know.
Speaker 3: And I imagine that happened a lot in your practice.
Speaker 4: But she broke his nose apparently, as she said.
Speaker 3: We didn't quite get into how she broke his You
Speaker 3: dropped me your bustard. But no, they were just so
Speaker 3: they're just so lovely and as you say, they are,
Speaker 3: they're icons of a time that they they seared into
Speaker 3: many of our memories because it was so innovative and beautiful.
Speaker 3: And I say that again, how they fit and how
Speaker 3: they just went around and they just fit together and
Speaker 3: move together. It was like that was art.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was movable art. There you go, there you go. Well,
Speaker 4: we're gushing clearly. Yeah, So we so hope you loved
Speaker 4: the episode as much as we did. Remember, you can
Speaker 4: get your tickets for the tour. Our last dance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go see that June twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: It'll heat.
Speaker 3: It'll be the winter of twenty twenty five here in Australia,
Speaker 3: heating up winter with Torvel and to D and D.
Speaker 4: You won't get to see them again. So this is it.
Speaker 3: H they're not doing Elton John, they're not doing they're
Speaker 3: not doing a sting coming back, coming back Pharnsie, Well
Speaker 3: hopefully we'll see Farnsie coming back then.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for listening, Thanks for being with us.
Speaker 4: Bye,