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Speaker 1: High Street hut.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I'm cam Dado.

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Speaker 1: Why.

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Speaker 2: Well, we've said this before, we can say it, we

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Speaker 2: Ice skating legends Jane Torvell and Christopher Dean are with

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Speaker 3: In years I know it was at the Sarajevo Winter

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Speaker 2: So after hanging up their skates since several years out

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Speaker 2: their final tour. Our Last Dance. Australia is a special

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Speaker 3: Eighties, they've shared a remarkable fifty year partnership. Let's get

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Speaker 2: Hello, guys, welcome.

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Speaker 1: To the Also on the production, they well, just call

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Speaker 4: We get very excited actually, and my kids do it too,

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Speaker 2: you said, if you want to draw an audience and

442
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 2: start small like that?

443
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: So your really well the music suggested that. But he

444
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: was very performance oriented, you know, he's very animated, and

445
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: he spoke to you and when it was present and

446
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: when he was talking about Barnum and some of the tricks,

447
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: he told us some of the tricks that they did

448
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: on stage. Yes, there's one where you wrap your legs

449
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: around and go between your legs and the other side

450
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: that they did on the stage and the effect of

451
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: mid juggling and stuff like that, which we then were

452
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: able to incorporate into the routine. But yeah, it was

453
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: all about projection.

454
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said if you don't if you don't believe it,

455
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 4: like if if you don't believe you're juggling, the audience

456
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 4: went for sure, and it was great advice for us

457
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: moving forward.

458
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 3: Is he in the audience in Sara Jeogoa when you dance?

459
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: No? No, we worked with Michael the previous year were three,

460
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 1: but he came to the performance there.

461
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: Right, who came up with that finale, that final fling

462
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 2: in that bollo dance, the sliding that when.

463
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: You're through there. Yeah, well there's there's two parts to

464
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: the Olympics. We did something called the passably.

465
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: Passa doub that's the one I'm thinking, that's the one

466
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 2: that you're thinking.

467
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 4: That's what I'm thinking, lying on the floor for both times,

468
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 4: yeahs around a bit.

469
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:13,399
Speaker 1: We looked at matadors, Yeah, looked at because in a

470
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: Pasadobilian actual fact that the lady is the cape.

471
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 4: In the ballroom.

472
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so if you watch what we did, she

473
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: was always draped around me like a caper. I was

474
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: holding her as if she was the cape, and it's

475
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: always sort of that sweeping gesture to the ball at

476
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: the end where you just lay down the cape. That's

477
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: it again.

478
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 4: We had the same costume designer who came up with

479
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 4: that great of the big sleeves that made me look

480
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 4: like a cape. It was kind of weird because most

481
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 4: of the dance I was like that, so I was cape.

482
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah you're a.

483
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: Good looking caper.

484
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: Did you ever just want to skate on your own?

485
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: At that top level, or was it.

486
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: My step mother and father. They used to do social dancing.

487
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: They go out and social dance, and right from the

488
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: beginning they encouraged me to do dancing. And when I

489
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: first started, I just wanted to speed around the rink

490
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: as fast as they could, and they'd be saying, don't

491
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: become don't become a speed skater or a hockey skate,

492
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: think about dancing, and so I went straight into the dance.

493
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: I do remember them when I think the first time

494
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: I got a pair of skates for Christmas, and I

495
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 1: lived out in the countryside and we I couldn't just

496
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: get into an ice rink. So for the first two

497
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: weeks I walked around the house in my skates. I

498
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: just wanted to skate, dying to skate, and eventually, when

499
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: when I got to the ice rink, I launched onto

500
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: the ice and I think I must have fallen over

501
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: in excess of two hundred times. So it wasn't sort

502
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: of a natural thing or look, I can skate, but

503
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: I eventually mastered it and fell down less.

504
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 3: You come to the end of the performance, crowd goes wild.

505
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: Did you know in that moment you clinched the goal.

506
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 4: Did you have that sense, Well, you know, it was

507
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: ours to lose in the first place before we started,

508
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: so there was a lot of pressure in that.

509
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: We were champions the previous three years, right, Yeah, so

510
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: the Olympics is.

511
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 4: The end of the christ Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when

512
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 4: we'd finished, we just wanted to skate well because we'd

513
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 4: done so many rehearsals in training, we'd run through the

514
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 4: whole thing. We'd run through the whole thing during the

515
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 4: Olympics when we had our practice sessions, and we thought,

516
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 4: if we don't skate this well, it will be so unlucky, yeah,

517
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 4: and unfortunate, and we felt that we couldn't have skated

518
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: it any better for us. There weren't any mistakes or anything.

519
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 4: So just that in itself was a relief at the end.

520
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 4: And then you know, there was a while before the

521
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 4: marks were going to come up, and then when they did, well,

522
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 4: we were still collecting flowers well and we kind of

523
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 4: looked up because we heard a roar from the crowd

524
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 4: and obviously it's because we've got the sixes.

525
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's one of those routines though that it

526
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: can be. We were in a bubble and so we

527
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: were just performing it. But when we watched it back, the.

528
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: Room was silent, which was great.

529
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: It wasn't one of those performances where everybody you.

530
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 4: Do a trick and the clap. We didn't want that anyway,

531
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 4: did we know?

532
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: We wanted to be engaging. People were withers as we

533
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: were skating and sort of threw it away before.

534
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: But I was saying when you fit together, but in

535
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 2: that when you two danced together, there was such a

536
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: synergy between you both that there was no It was

537
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: like we were in our bubble watching it and to

538
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: make any noise or that was like no, no, shut up,

539
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: stop clapping, just watching in a.

540
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: Way, yeah, beauty free together. We felt like people were

541
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,959
Speaker 1: watching something very private.

542
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely a moment. Absolutely.

543
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: How did you stay grounded through that period?

544
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: Telling your mom after your first won the World CHAMPIONSHIPH Yeah.

545
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 4: When I came back from the first World Championships in

546
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty one, my parents, I grew up working class background.

547
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: My parents, you know, they worked their whole lives and everything.

548
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 4: Eventually ran a news agent shop, which for them was

549
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 4: a big deal because it was a business.

550
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: You know.

551
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: Anyway, I came back from the World championships, and I said, oh, Mom,

552
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 4: we won't this. She obviously knew we weren't. I said,

553
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: mom's great, we want She said, oh yeah, well there's

554
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 4: always someone better than you though. Oh, I went, well,

555
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 4: not in this moment.

556
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: They're always grounded it.

557
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 4: And then I kind of thought about it after, because well, yeah,

558
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 4: she's right, because the you know, for someone coming up.

559
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's that working class thing that also if

560
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: you'd have when you used to borrow some money for

561
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: you from your mom for like a five or ten

562
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: pounds or something and told you this is how much

563
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: you owe me.

564
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah. I always had to pay everything, and

565
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 4: if I if I snuck into the sweet shop and

566
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 4: took a few sweets out of the jaw, I had

567
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: to put money in the till because it had to balance.

568
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: Did you ever have to pay back for the secondhand

569
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: pair of skates that she bought?

570
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: No, I didn't know.

571
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: I got away with that.

572
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got away with that one.

573
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: You've been known for your creativity, obviously and pushing the

574
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: boundaries in ice dancing. Do you remember that was there

575
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: ever a crazy, wild, unconventional idea or performance that you

576
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: actually never got to perform? Was there something that you

577
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 3: wanted to, like, let's do a trampoline in the middle

578
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: of the eyes. I don't think so.

579
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 4: I think we've had crazy ideas and we've managed to

580
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 4: make them pull them utwork.

581
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: One of the rewarding things that we did we made

582
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: a documentary and we shut it in Alaska.

583
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 3: Yes, I wanted to ask you about because.

584
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: Most of our time on the ice it's in a

585
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: building and it's manufacturing contained. You know, it's frozen pipes

586
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: that are underlane with underlining under the ice, with free

587
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: arm going through it and you spray over it and

588
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: it creates ice.

589
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: Plus you got a fence around the outside the barrier.

590
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: And but we went to Alaska and we skated the

591
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: ballero on a lake, open natural lake, and the backdrop

592
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: wasn't the rink, it wasn't the mountains a video screen.

593
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: It was the mountains and all the beautiful pine trees

594
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: and it was natural and for and there was nobody there.

595
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: There was not an audience.

596
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 4: There was a camera and that was so rewarding to

597
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: be able to it was just some adding that because

598
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: we always say that when you skate, you've got this

599
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: sense of freedom and flying almost and have been able

600
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 4: to do it outdoors without any barriers and restrictions. It

601
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: was I don't know. It's quite an emotional feeling because

602
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: it's something we never thought we'd be able to know.

603
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: Also, we felt quite small because it was.

604
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 4: The vastness of the lake because there was a drone

605
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: as well, so you could see from the top. You

606
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: know how small we were compared to the lake and everything.

607
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: So I wish I could remember his name. There's someone

608
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: I follow on Instagram. He He's Canadian and he was

609
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: he never won a medal or anything in the Olympics,

610
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: but he was. He was a professional or is a

611
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: professional skater. But what he does all of his Instagram

612
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: post is him ice skating, doing the wild large.

613
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Yes, he's doing our show.

614
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: Was watching you to see if you had any I.

615
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: Like makes me want to cry because the it's the

616
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: freedom he has when he skates, and you're just the

617
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 3: way that camera follows him around and it's just I

618
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: think I've sent you a couple of his posts. They

619
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: are just it's just magic.

620
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,479
Speaker 4: We've never met him, have we. You've spoken to him,

621
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 4: I think now, But that's how Chris came across him.

622
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 4: From the post you go.

623
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're excited with some of the cast that we.

624
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: Exactly does the back he just he injured his knee

625
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: a little bit, that's right. But apparently it was the

626
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 3: hottest summer in Alaska? Was that right when you were

627
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: searching for that ice exactly?

628
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were. I mean it had this sort of

629
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: undercurrent talking about climate change as well, and we flew

630
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: up onto the glaciers and walked around. But you could

631
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: see how much it was declining from where it used

632
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: to be and what it was where it was. Then, yeah,

633
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, mice ice may be gone before we know it.

634
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 4: Well, the first lake that they had identified for is

635
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 4: the crew and everything. When we got to it, it

636
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 4: wasn't going to be frozen enough. You know, there's so

637
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 4: many inches they need.

638
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: And obviously we did find safety the free What was

639
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: the terminology that.

640
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: Skating?

641
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had these special blazes that were like this long,

642
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: and we're on one lake and we just could go

643
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: for miles.

644
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: And skate, never stop, never go around the corner.

645
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: And then we did something unique as well that Jane

646
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: I they we cut a hole and I went in

647
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: in a dry suit, scupa diving Jane skated.

648
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 4: Above me skated over the top of it.

649
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I like doing some risky things.

650
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 4: Chris is the dare devil.

651
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: I would have.

652
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 3: Preferred to be.

653
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: So tell me. Did the dry I mean obviously you

654
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 2: stay dry, but you still get really cold though, don't

655
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: you You did it?

656
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: It was yeah. I mean they had a little tent

657
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: and they had a heater in it, but yeah, it

658
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: was cold.

659
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 4: Well when we did the actual skate, the final skate,

660
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 4: and we had a tent because it's in the middle

661
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 4: of nowhere so there's no dressing room, had a tent

662
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 4: with heaters in and we literally we did our warming up,

663
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 4: went back into the tent, run back house again and

664
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 4: then did.

665
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: The performance and several times.

666
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, several times. But it was, you know, having that

667
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 4: tent there to warm up because it was I don't

668
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: know minus whatever it was, but it was very, very cold.

669
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was just an experience, yeah something.

670
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: And outside the boundary too, is incredible. It just as

671
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: you're talking about that remind me of that movie Papillon

672
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: with Dustin Hoffman and Steve McQueen and Steve McQueen's in

673
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: the prison and he can only work walk five steps

674
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: before he hits the wall and then when he finally

675
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: gets out of his prison cell, he walks six and

676
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: falls over.

677
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does six steps.

678
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, So here, you guys are outside of

679
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: the dimensions of what you're used to be doing. You're

680
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: in the open, open terrain.

681
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: Amazing.

682
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: Must have been very liberating.

683
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: And another funny story from that when we were going

684
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: to Fairfax. So we were in Anchorage and we were

685
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: going up to Fairfax on the train and I think

686
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: it was like a ten hour trainer.

687
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a famous train journey that people that connect the.

688
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: Two and on the way we were looking, we were

689
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: thinking that we'd see ice on the way, and the

690
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: conductor said, well, just stop. The train just got off

691
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: and we shoveled some ice out of the way and

692
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: we did a little skate and all the passengers that

693
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: he was watching, and then we got back on and

694
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: carried on. It's one of those trains where people that

695
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: live off grid, off grid was just coming wave down

696
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: and the train will stop and they get on.

697
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 4: There's no actual station really until to the end.

698
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: It's really.

699
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 3: Imagine it being mentor being a passenger on that train

700
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: that who.

701
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 2: Are those two idiots? A little skating.

702
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: You did another documentary I wanted to ask you about

703
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: ice rink on the Estate. Can you tell us a

704
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 3: little bit about that one as well?

705
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: That was quite special that it was working with underprivileged

706
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: children in Nottingham, Nottingham called the Saint Anne's Area, which

707
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: was actually quite close to the rink, and it was

708
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: about giving opportunity for kids that would never have the

709
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: opportunity to have the money on go skating, et cetera.

710
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: So we worked with them and they couldn't skate or anything,

711
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: and we took them to the rink and we taught

712
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: them things. Then as a group we kind of put

713
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: together a performance that was going to be a one

714
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: night performance for all the families.

715
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 4: In an outdooring. Wasn't it on the estate?

716
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: But it's quite interesting that the young kids from this

717
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: state were quite feral.

718
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: We got I don't know how many the first day

719
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 4: came and there was certain adults that brought them along

720
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: and then we said, right, so rehearsal tomorrow is at

721
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 4: X time, ten o'clock in the morning whatever it was,

722
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: and only half of them turn up. And then the

723
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 4: next day you get a different half and so you

724
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 4: don't get everybody at the same time, and right we

725
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 4: were just horrified because having put together many shows, the

726
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 4: professionals are there and they're looking at you right on

727
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 4: time and you say do this, and I know they

728
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 4: can actually skate, but it's just that discipline and they

729
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 4: certainly didn't have that, and you know, they've never grown

730
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 4: up in a normal sort of situation. There was a

731
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 4: lot of problems there, but some of them were really

732
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 4: they overcome it by the end and we did do

733
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 4: a show.

734
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's one of those things. Actually on the

735
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: dress rehearsal and I think it was was it in

736
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: November time, it teamed down.

737
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, yeah, ruins the ice and.

738
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: Oh no. But then the day of the actual performance

739
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: it was fine. It was put the zamboni back on it.

740
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: But I wonder what I wondered. I mean, that's such

741
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: a gift for those kids to have had the experience

742
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: of being both with you and like sort of feeling

743
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: like they mattered for that time, you know, and.

744
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 4: They were given their own skates as well. We just thought,

745
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 4: you know, if if two of them carry on skating,

746
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 4: or you know, even if they didn't enjoy it, they think, well,

747
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 4: skating is not for me, but maybe I'll try this. Yeah, exactly.

748
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: It's all about the experience. The experience and and we

749
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, we took some of the kids because we

750
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 1: had to go and find money for it, so we

751
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: went around to local businesses capping hand kind of thing

752
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: we had made. The kids were the ones that were

753
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: asking for the support. So it showed another side of

754
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: things of if you determined to do something, you can

755
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: make something happen. Yeap action question.

756
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: We all go through crises of confidence and you guys

757
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: were held up on a pedestal. How would you deal

758
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: with those moments during your.

759
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 5: Career and subsequently, well, I think one of the times

760
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 5: you had an injury when we were competing, when we.

761
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: Were competing and as a moment a crisis and that

762
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: we were Generally, each year you do the European Championships,

763
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: which is a precursor to the World Championships because most

764
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: of the best skaters are European and Russian. And this

765
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty three, and nineteen eighty three was the

766
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: pre year before the picks, and so nineteen eighth three

767
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: was a big year, so it was important to win

768
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: the World Championships going into the following year for the

769
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: Olympics and the European Championships. We had a big forward,

770
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: didn't we.

771
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were training the barn and routine and we

772
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 4: fell and I ended up fracturing my shoulder and so

773
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 4: we literally had to pull out the European Championships. And

774
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: for us that's the first time we'd had to miss

775
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 4: a big competition. We've done all our British Championships, European

776
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 4: World and as Chris said, it was the year before

777
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: the Olympic.

778
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: Year, so it was letting up competitors.

779
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: In someone else was going to win that Europeans. It

780
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 4: wasn't going to be USU.

781
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: So coming back from that, we had about seven or

782
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: eight weeks before the World Championships and so we just

783
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, we had to get over the year. The

784
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: injury better every night as a fracture, so we had

785
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: to come to turn with that, and then when it

786
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: was time to get back on the ice, the process

787
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: of getting back was emotional difficult, but as a team,

788
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: I think you have to come together and work together

789
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: and understand each other what we need to do, and

790
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: we realized that we had to be possibly bigger and better,

791
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: better than ever than ever when we went to the

792
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: World Championships some eight weeks later to say to everybody,

793
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: we're still here.

794
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: We're still had lots of tape on my shoulder blade,

795
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 4: but we always made sure it was hidden, so whenever

796
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 4: the doctor did it, it was in private, like in

797
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 4: my room or something not in the dressing room, in

798
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: the changing room. So it was yeah, because a shoulder

799
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 4: injury like that, with your fractually shoulder blade, you can't

800
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 4: put it in plaster, you can't do anything. It just

801
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: has to heal, and there's not a lot of blood

802
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 4: supply to that area, so I had to be really

803
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: really careful not to put it back by training too

804
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: much or doing too much with it at first. But

805
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: as Christian, you know, we had an extra several weeks

806
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 4: of training. I remember we couldn't bear to watch the

807
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: European Championships on the television. No, we couldn't because it

808
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: was emotional for.

809
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 3: Us, like we shouldn't be there.

810
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 4: But having said that, when we did get ready to

811
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: go to the World Championships, we felt more than trained,

812
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 4: more than ready because we'd had those extra weeks.

813
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: I think that I think those moments of crisis actually

814
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: makes you even more determined and stronger sure to want

815
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: to be if you've got the passion and the desire.

816
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 3: I think it's so brave as well. I mean, particularly

817
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: for you, Jane, you know, the amount that you're being

818
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: thrown about, tossed about, I mean, I know it texs

819
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: bravery to do that as well for the man you've

820
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: got like literally the you know, the woman's hands, you know,

821
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: life in the hands.

822
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: Chris dropped her and she broke her shoulder. That's what's

823
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: just been talking about the last minutes.

824
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 1: Said that Jane has broken my nose. I've landed on

825
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: top of him a few times, laid through my hand. Yeah,

826
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: I've squashed the disc So I interrupted your No.

827
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: I was just saying, it's like there's so much bravery

828
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: that has to be involved. And then to get back

829
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 3: on the ice after, you know, and do that same

830
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 3: routine again when when.

831
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: They hurts, when you fall on ice, and if you're

832
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: going at speed that you two are. Yeah, yeah, how would.

833
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: You both like to be remembered in the world of

834
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 3: figure skating.

835
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 4: We'll just be.

836
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: Remembered that, yeah, yeah, just being you know, like you said,

837
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: when you think of figure skating, certainly here in Australia,

838
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: most people go, oh Tovel. Indeed they do, and so

839
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: it's the memory of yeah, yeah, that's sort of our legacy.

840
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that the memory has not dimmed as well,

841
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: Like it's yeah, it's very very vivid for all of

842
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 3: us who got to see it, and you know, and

843
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: in ensuing years as well.

844
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: So I I brought this up the other day on

845
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: the golf course with my mates. I said, we're interviewing

846
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: Tauvel and Dean on our podcast next week. Anyone got questions.

847
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: I can't ask you any of the questions, but they

848
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 2: all were like, it's amazing, that was so good. Can

849
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: you just tell us what's happening in twenty twenty five,

850
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 2: tells us a bit more about the tour and what

851
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 2: we can expect.

852
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: Well, we want to celebrate our career and this is

853
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 4: our last dance, so we want to tell the story

854
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 4: that you know about our life and how we got

855
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 4: to where we are, starting from you know, as kids,

856
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 4: when we started out winning our first European Championships with

857
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 4: Maca Mabel, which was quite a departure from the routines

858
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: we've been doing before and the progression there and because

859
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 4: we've got a company of amazing professional skaters with us.

860
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 4: For instance, Mica Mabel is based around the Silent movie theme,

861
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 4: so we're doing we're expanding that from the four minute

862
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: routine to.

863
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: A big everybody share production number of different and that

864
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: comes our number. So it's sort of a down memory

865
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: lane for us, and there'll be audio visual stuff, will

866
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: be chatting on the ice as well as skating. So

867
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: it's an evening were than our story, but we're being

868
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: accompanied by some amazing skaters, yes, clearly.

869
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: And so many of your shows are already sold out.

870
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 3: I know there are tickets available to some, but already yeah,

871
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: you know, that's how much we love you are already

872
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: like getting tickets to this one.

873
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: And just okay, so how old were you in about

874
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 2: and I need to know the details in nineteen eighty

875
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: four you're in your twenty twenties.

876
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we do the math.

877
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: Now I'm not doing the math, but I'm just going

878
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: we've got you guys past physically, right, You've got what

879
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: supplements are you taking? What do you do to stay

880
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: supple and strong?

881
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: You know you just have to keep working. We're doing it.

882
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: You know, we're in the gym keep skating, you watch

883
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: what you eat, and I think it's the continuity that

884
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: we just have kept skating. Okay, we're in the ice

885
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: rink all the time. You know, cold ice rinks are

886
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: not so.

887
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you look amazing. Spent a long time inside.

888
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 3: This is you know, Separate Bathrooms is a relationship podcast,

889
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: and we love to ask just a question to end

890
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: the show with. Could you describe each other in one word?

891
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: Oh, silence, hello, darkness. I don't know about one word,

892
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: but three, I've got three.

893
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: Okay, my best friend, I knew he was going to

894
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 4: say that that was mine, that was going to be mine.

895
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 3: So beautiful, Oh my gosh, that is just gorgeous. Thank

896
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 3: you so much for your time. We just wish you

897
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: all the best with the tour. I know it's going

898
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 3: to be amazing, but it's just been a real honor

899
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: to get to speak with you by.

900
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: Thank you lovely speaking with you too. Thank you.

901
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 2: That's great. I know I know they've left the bathroom

902
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: and we both looking at each other and.

903
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean we've spoken to some pretty I mean

904
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: we've spoken to many, many wonderful people and couples. I

905
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 3: think they're the biggest celebrities. I would call them celebrities

906
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: that we've ever spoken to, but in a way that

907
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: just is so interwoven into the fabric of my childhood.

908
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 3: And I mean, you know how much. I mean, you

909
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 3: love the Olympics, and I love the Olympics too, And

910
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: the ice dancing is boys one of my favorite things

911
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: to watch. I can't remember a single other routine than

912
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 3: any other couple have ever done, though I've watched every

913
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: four years. But see one that I just stands out

914
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: the best.

915
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, to me, they blended the ballero one blended

916
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 2: into the passa double one of the cape and but

917
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: that's my memory going, that's a blend. But you're right,

918
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: I don't remember any other ice performance other than I'm

919
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: going to say those two because they both sort of

920
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 2: they're both so iconic.

921
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: And he was he and he still is.

922
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 2: He's such a wonderful man. And just I mean, tell

923
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 2: listen to what you said just before about him when

924
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: they were so he's.

925
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: Just such a very warm person. I mean, they're both

926
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 3: so lovely. Yeah, it just has a real warmth of care.

927
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, and I was thinking about that when and

928
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: you said that that here he is he's supported her

929
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: and lifted her up and kept her safe all that time,

930
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: like traveling at that speed and doing all those things

931
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: in the trust that she had to place in him.

932
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 2: Bravery she had totally totally brave, and that she had

933
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 2: to be on point as well, because if she wasn't

934
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 2: at the place where she was meant to be, she'd

935
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: be on her ass, you know. And I imagine that

936
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 2: happened a lot in your practice.

937
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: But she broke his nose apparently, as she said.

938
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 2: We didn't quite get into how she broke hisp your bustard.

939
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: But no, they were just so they're just so lovely

940
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: and as you say, they are, they're icons of a

941
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: time that they they seared into many of our memories

942
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 2: because it was so innovative and beautiful. And I say

943
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: that again, how they fit and how they just went

944
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 2: around and they just fit together and move together.

945
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: It was like that was art.

946
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was movable art. There you go, there you go.

947
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: Well we're gushing clearly. Yeah, So we so hope you

948
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 3: loved the episode as much as we did. Remember you

949
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 3: can get your tickets for the tour Our last dance. Yeah,

950
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 3: go see that.

951
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: Ju June twenty twenty it'll heat. It'll be the winter

952
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five here in Australia heating up winter

953
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: with torvel.

954
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: Undan, to E and d.

955
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: You won't get to see them again, So this is it.

956
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not doing Elton John, they're not doing it.

957
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: They're not doing a sting coming back, coming back Pharnsie, Well,

958
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: hopefully we'll see Faransie come back. But yeah, yeah, thanks

959
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: for listening, thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Bye,