1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land, Always was, always 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: Hey cheeks, I'm sal and I'm our. 4 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 3: This is too Broke Chicks to show that shares life 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 3: lessons and tips to help make you rich in life. 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 3: And today we are joined by King Julian's mum and 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 3: former corporate queen Chloe Ah. 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Thank you for fitting us in 9 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 2: your very busy schedule. I know I'm nervous. 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie, but I listened to the Pussycat 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: Dolls to calm me down. 12 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: So I'm I like your form of meditation. Before we 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: get into the questions, we love to start these episodes 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 3: with our life lesson of the week, So, as our 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 3: guest of honor, would you like to share your life lesson. 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: Of the week. 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 3: It can be big or small, oh, silly, serious, whatever 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: you'd like. 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: No, mind's serious. Let's go earnestly. 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: Life's too short. Oh that's how I determine everything you 21 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: want to spend money? 22 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: Life too short? Yes? Yes, quit your job. Life's too 23 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: short to be crying? Yes. So that's literally feeled me 24 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: this year. 25 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: I think that's like the mantry you have to have 26 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: with like any moment in life that you're like what 27 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: the fuck is going and you're like it's fine. 28 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: Life too short, Yeah, yeah, and it goes so quickly 29 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 3: as well, Like if you think five years ago the 30 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: things that you were stressing about then, like I don't 31 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: even remember all those things are so insignificant and it 32 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 3: goes so quickly. 33 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: That's like an interpretation of that which has led to 34 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: every one of my most disgustingly hungover days is when 35 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: we have like something one the next day we've accidentally 36 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: tripped and fallen into a bar, and I'm like, we 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: have to go home, like we're going to be hungover 38 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: in It's. 39 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: Just one day. It's just it's just one. It's just 40 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: one day. And then we wake up. 41 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the longest day. And she's probably 42 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: like fucking vomiting and she's like, it's just one. 43 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, that sours. What's your life lesson of the week? 44 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god? 45 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 3: Okay, minds boring in comparison, but actually I shouldn't belittle it. 46 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: But it's a little bit more practical and something that 47 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 3: I stumbled across this week. Did you know that there 48 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 3: is a currency converter in the calculator on the iPhone. 49 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 3: Prior to this, I'd always been downloading a third party 50 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: app and using that. 51 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: But in the bottom left hand. 52 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 3: Corner on the calculator on your iPhone, there's a little 53 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 3: calculator symbol you press that it has like a scientific 54 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: calculator in there, some sort of other mathematic calculator, but 55 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: it also has a. 56 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: Currency converted your summer girlies and everyone going to Japan. 57 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: Oh come on now, come on, are you starting your head? 58 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: All right? 59 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: You guys are strong English major? Yea, my life lesson 60 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: of the week. What did I learn this week? So 61 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: I went back to laser hair removal. Okay, I feel 62 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: like laser hair. 63 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: Removal last year was having a smear campaign. 64 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: Everyone was like, is laser hair removal a scam? And 65 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: so like, because they're like, why have I had like 66 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: ten sessions and it's not working? 67 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: And I definitely there are parts of it that I 68 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: agree to you, because. 69 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I have had ten sessions and I 70 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: definitely am still growing hair. But I was like, it 71 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: definitely does lessen the amount of hair. 72 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: Have you had laser? 73 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm obsessed with laser Yeah. The tenth session thing 74 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: is a scam. Yeah, but once you hit the number 75 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: that you need, I don't ever need to shave anymore. 76 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: It's the best thing ever. Yeah, I've been shaved in years. 77 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: See I'm Italian, and I feel like my number is 78 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: going to be like eighty. But I went and I 79 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: it fucking is not like it doesn't tickle. 80 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: But even now, like normally, if I. 81 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: Shave, I have to like shave literally like the next day. 82 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it definitely has slowed it. 83 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: So I think I'm going to be on a neutral 84 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: campaign to investigate the laser hair removal. I also do 85 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: have really dark hair, so I feel like it for 86 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: me ages. I didn't mind my early twenty three ages, 87 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: and now I'm good. The only problem is with the 88 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: under arms. They'll do it and then you forget to 89 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: shave right, shave it all anymore, and then I'll realize 90 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,279 Speaker 1: that because one part of the laser hasn't has been missed. 91 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 2: So then I'll have just so long and then I go, oh, 92 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: it's so embarrassing. 93 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: Let's get into the juicy stuff of the episode. So, Chloe, 94 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: earlier this year you quit your job, Yes, can you 95 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 3: tell us about that experience? 96 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: What led you to it and the emotional journey that. 97 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: Got Okay, let's turn this around and let's be a 98 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: bit emo. 99 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: So my favorite, honestly, it. 100 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: Was definitely a journey I earlier last year was there 101 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: was a situation at work. I then realized, what was 102 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: the point in caring so much about this job, putting 103 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: so much time and energy into it. 104 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: Clearly team environment, we're not really a team. 105 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: We're looking out for ourselves, which is like, no shit, Chloe, 106 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: a corporate company. 107 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: They don't care about you. 108 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: And I'm like, yes, I know, but maybe I was 109 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: just a little bit naive that we all care about 110 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: each other. 111 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: I don't think that's naive it all. I'm a community, 112 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: I'm a team person. That's a very normal thing to want. 113 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: That is what it should be, like, yeah, exactly. 114 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: And also when you're working so hard to part of 115 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: you would also be telling yourself this is something this 116 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 3: is appreciate it. 117 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: They appreciate it. We're all working towards the same goal. Yeah. 118 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: Anyway, So then something happened earlier in the year and 119 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: then I just felt like I wasn't supported and then 120 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: that switched for me, and then I ended up becoming 121 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: my confidence just got cheersled away at work. So I'm 122 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: definitely someone that needs compliments every now and then. I 123 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: don't need a lot loads of affirmation, but I just 124 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: need I think in any work environment, you can't be 125 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: told your shit all the time. You always need something 126 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,119 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, yeah, that was a good piece 127 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: of work. And I was producing like. 128 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of hours for this. 129 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: Company, and then so I was starting to just feel 130 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: like shit. And then it turned into me crying every 131 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: day in the bathrooms. I was dreading going into the office, 132 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: and I've never dreaded going into work before. I'm someone 133 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: that's always loved work. It's a big part of who 134 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: I am. So then that switched. And then in order 135 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: to survive the corporate environment I was in, I had 136 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: to disassociate. So I basically just was there to survive 137 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: until the end of the year. And then things all 138 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: blew up, essentially, and I grabbed my laptop and I 139 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: left and I never spoke to anyone in the. 140 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: Team every again. How did that feel? It was good? 141 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: I took a self in the left with all my 142 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: like with my ice smocker, and I was like, literally 143 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 1: I ran into a taxi. 144 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: I said go, Go go, and I spilt. 145 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: I spilt my ice smoker all over my white Scanland dress, 146 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: which I clearly. 147 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: Don't need anymore. I have sold all my corporate clothes. 148 00:06:58,640 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 3: Up. 149 00:06:58,839 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: Oh it did? 150 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: I sold everything? I think I had like forty five 151 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: packages to shift out. 152 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. So then I quit and now I'm free. Oh 153 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: so good. 154 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: What was like the quitting process, like like how did 155 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: you kind of. 156 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: Get there emotionally in terms? 157 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: And then like what was it like did you just 158 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: go fuck this, I'm out? 159 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: Or did you do like I was a letter. 160 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: No, I was planning on properly residing once I got 161 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: my bonus. I was really holding out because in the industry, 162 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm in, your bonus is a big chunk of your 163 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: salary and that is why your fueled to work so hard. Yeah, 164 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: they kind of hold the bonus so the carhead and 165 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: it's like a lot of the time you rarely get 166 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: that full bonus anyway, So I was holding out for 167 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: it and then we had a meeting and they just 168 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: were attacking me on like having a business and blah 169 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: blah blah, and I just like, honestly I lost it 170 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: at them. I just was like, I wasn't planning on 171 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: ever saying how how bad they treated me and giving 172 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 1: feedback because they're a team that it's a team environment 173 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: that will never change, and you're like very male dominated, 174 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: very senior heavy, and I just know egos are at 175 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: play and no one will change the way they behave. 176 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: So I wasn't going to say anything, but I was like, 177 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: if you're attacking me, stuff this and I just let 178 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: it rip. I go And I was sick of being 179 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: told I'm a piece of shit. You guys have chiseled 180 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: away my confidence. I have never cried at work before ever. 181 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: This is the only because another thing is they just 182 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: would have gone off and been like, oh, she's weak, 183 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: she couldn't compet, she couldn't deal with the team environment, 184 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: she couldn't deal with a high performing team. And it's like, bullshit, 185 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: yes I can. I'm sorry, I'm Asian, I'm made for 186 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,119 Speaker 1: this shit. This is who I am. But like, you can't. 187 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: Treat people like shit and expect them to still good 188 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: performing on you. 189 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: I just yeah, I said everything I wanted and then 190 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: I said okay, and then they were like, we're going 191 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: to have to give you hush money to shut you up, 192 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: and I said I'll think about it, and then I 193 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: got up and literally left, and that's when I grabbed 194 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: my shit and left. 195 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 3: I can't believe they even pose that to you, And 196 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 3: I can completely understand the internal. 197 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: Battle that you would have had, being like do I 198 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: take it? Oh? 199 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I honestly wouldn't blame anybody if they did 200 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: take it in this economy. But also I just can't 201 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: believe they had the goal to offer that to you, 202 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: and good for you. 203 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: I think they kind of underestimated, like I was a 204 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: broken person by the time I quit. 205 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: I had no emotional capacity. 206 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I was very weak, and to be honest, like I 207 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: waited a month before speaking about it on TikTok, Yeah, 208 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: just because I had to deal with everything myself and 209 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: feel comfortable enough. 210 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 2: And so I don't think they thought. 211 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: I had the strength to speak about it and then 212 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: I would have a story to say. They probably in 213 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: their eyes they were like, oh, yeah, it's just part 214 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: of working this industry. Yeah, she got treated like shit, 215 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: that's that's it. 216 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 2: Fun. Yeah. 217 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: I think there's such a shift as well happening, which 218 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: is really amazing because in so many industries, I would 219 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: say majority, there's just this tone of being like, well, 220 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: if you want to work in this industry, you've just 221 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: got to put up with it, I know, And you've 222 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: just got to deal with it, especially in. 223 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: My dominated industries. 224 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: And I feel like there is this shift coming that 225 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: people would like be more open and talking about it 226 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: because there's shame that you're like, maybe I'm not cut 227 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: out for it, like you said, like your confidence was. 228 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: I said to them in that final meeting, I said, 229 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just not strong enough for this team. And 230 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: I wish I didn't say that because I am strong enough. Yeah. Yeah, 231 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: And I actually said to them, I was to one 232 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: of the senior members, I said, you watched me bore 233 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: my eyes out. I've never cried before like that at work, 234 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: and you never once checked in on me. And he 235 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: was like, I didn't know how to handle it. And 236 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't have to, Like, as a managers, 237 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: that's your job, but secondly, as a human being, just 238 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: have some empathy. And I think sometimes that's where things 239 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: can get a little bit tricky. Yeah, man, do you 240 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: have any tips for like the chicks or people that 241 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: are in a male dominated industry and struggling to navigate 242 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: that and their confidence? Oh, that's tough because I feel 243 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: like my confidence just got chiseled down so much. I 244 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: was really good at it. I've always been a male 245 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: dominated teams. I've I've only ever had male managers, and 246 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: I've loved it in the past. I think you obviously 247 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: have to be quite a strong personality, yeah, and you 248 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: have to be able to stand up for yourself and 249 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: be very direct. And I am a direct personality, so 250 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: I thought I could cough it. But then eventually you 251 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: just get chiseled down. So and there's some sometimes that's 252 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: just like completely out of your control. Yeah, it was. 253 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: How have you kind of gone through the process of 254 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: like healing from that? 255 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 2: Are you still in the process? Still in the process. 256 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: I have struggled a lot with feeling like I've lost 257 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: everything I worked hard for. Like even last even last night, 258 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: my grandfather was like, well, what happens if the business 259 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: doesn't work your small business? I have a small business 260 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: with my roommate. And he was like, what HAPs if 261 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: the small business doesn't work out? What was the point 262 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: of your degree? What's the point of all that text it. 263 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: I'm like, I already think that internally. I don't need 264 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: someone communicating that to me, like, I just need support 265 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: right now, because I've obviously thought all of those things, 266 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: like what was the point of working so hard through UNI, 267 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: through high school and then grinding the way I did 268 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: doing all those hours. I always thought those hours were 269 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: for something, and I've just walked away and now I'm 270 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: just a little old me that doesn't have a big 271 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: company attached to a name. 272 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: But you don't need it. 273 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I think there's so much more power in what you're 274 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: doing now, especially like what every hour you're putting in 275 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: for yourself. 276 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: I do like that, yeah, exactly. 277 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: And there's also that's like such a common thing and 278 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: we see it really often, especially with chicks at write 279 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: in of being like I've spent all this time on 280 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: this degree, or I've spent all this time in this 281 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: job or on this project or whatever it is, and 282 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: now it feels like a waste of time. 283 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: But it's not. 284 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: Like everything you would have learned so much as well 285 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: in that role. 286 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: Yes, that you can apply. I've also learned how not 287 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,599 Speaker 2: to manage it. 288 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: Exactly, and what you don't want out of your career. 289 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 2: I don't know. 290 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: I also learned that obviously people work so hard for 291 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: these small incremental increases in salary, right, and it's just like, 292 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: what's the cost benefit really? Because I'm not I'm an 293 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: absent daughter, an absent granddaughter. I'll probably then be an 294 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: absent mom. Whatso I can send my kids to the 295 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,599 Speaker 1: best schools, but emotionally they probably are going to be 296 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: a little bit fucked up. 297 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: So then what's the point. 298 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: I just I think I've reached a point where I 299 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: observed everything around me and I was like, I don't 300 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: know if it's. 301 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: Worth it anymore. 302 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And apparently it is like a ten year 303 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,119 Speaker 1: corporate thing. Once you do ten years in corporate Apparently, 304 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, a lot of people have said this 305 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: to me. People it's kind of like a corporate crisis. 306 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: People reflect on what they're actually working hard for and 307 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: if it's worth it. Because you reach the point where, okay, 308 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: can I have a family in this environment? And the 309 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: thing is I probably couldn't, and I didn't want to be. 310 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: That type of person. I love it. It's like the 311 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 2: seven year itch like relationships. Apparently it gets like yeah, 312 00:13:58,559 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: and you're like, I don't know. 313 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 3: Corporate it, but it sounds like you endured a lot 314 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: for a long time in this role. 315 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: Because it was very much ingrained in the culture of 316 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 2: the workplace. 317 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 3: For the chicks writing in asking this, how do you 318 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 3: know when it's time to move on from your role 319 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: or even from the industry that you're in. 320 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: I think when you're crying in the bathrooms every day, 321 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: it's a real turning point. I think I was sitting 322 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: there being like, this isn't worth it. Life's too short. 323 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: A job should not be making you that unhappy at 324 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: the end of the day. A job is a job, 325 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: and I think for some people that steer towards being 326 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: high achievers, their job is their whole personality. 327 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: It's a big part of who we are. 328 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: And then just pivoting and being like, no, a job 329 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: is to help me fund the lifestyle I want. It 330 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: is not who I am, and I'm so much more 331 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: than this job and this company. 332 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 2: It will work out. 333 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: I think it will go with the mentality that it 334 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: will work out. 335 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 336 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: And I think that mantra is so helpful that your 337 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 3: job is to fund your life. But do you have 338 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: any other tips on how to focus on things outside 339 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 3: of work to help you realize that there are so 340 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: many other important things in life beyond your career. 341 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think family helped me a lot personally, just 342 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: because I was feeling like I had was rarely seeing 343 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: my siblings, my parents, my grandparents, and I just was 344 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: feeling like the shittest daughter ever, like always having to cancel, 345 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: never being able to see anyone. And then they were 346 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: so understanding to be like, yeah, we understand you're busy, 347 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: just don't stress, like focus on you, blah blah blah. 348 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: But I think that was really helping me to lead 349 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: me to. 350 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: The decision I made because I didn't want that type 351 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: of life where I wasn't seeing everyone. Again, life is 352 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: too short, so it made me redirect. 353 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 3: I think in priorities, I think that's so important because 354 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 3: having those things they won't ever change no matter what 355 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: job you're in or what's happening in life. Having those anchors, yes, 356 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 3: to really bring you back down is important. And knowing 357 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: what those things are so that you can go to 358 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: those people, yes, joy those. 359 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: Stat I also think travel helps a lot, Like I 360 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: did a trip to Mongolia, Yes, and this was like 361 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: off grid, no electricity, no running water, and I was 362 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: living with these indigenous reindeer herders, and in that I 363 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: was like and then I went straight from that environment 364 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: to working really fucked hours again, and I was like, no. 365 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: There's so much more life than this. 366 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: And I think that was a really big turning point 367 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: for me too. So I think travel could really ground 368 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: you because you see people that are living different lifestyles 369 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: to you and they are happy, and. 370 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: It's like, well, why myself. 371 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so alive, and that's like, I just don't 372 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: know if it's worth it. What's like your perspective on 373 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: work life balance now that you've left such a fucking 374 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: intense role that there was just no work life balance. 375 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: And I know it's probably a bit tricky as well, 376 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: because now you're running your own business, so it's like 377 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: you're still work. 378 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: Your life is kind of your work now. 379 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: But do you have a different perspective now that you've 380 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: left that role and you're working for yourself. Yes, well, 381 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: I think now I don't mind working the long hours. Yeah, 382 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: I've never you Yeah, I've never minded working hard as 383 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: long as it's appreciated, And now it's just changed because 384 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: I'm working hard for myself. So obviously I appreciate it, 385 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: and I have a business partner that also appreciates it. 386 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: I will work in the morning, and then I go 387 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: for a swim in the afternoon, and I go for 388 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: a nap, and my business partner knows between the hours 389 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: of two and four pm, don't speak to me because 390 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: that's just napping. 391 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: I'm napping. I love that. I love nap. 392 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: And then I work at time, like I will work 393 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: long hours, but I don't believe you're hours my hours, 394 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: and I don't believe having to do it from like 395 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: nine till nine pm. 396 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: It makes no sense. Why am I giving up on 397 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: my daylight hours? I agree that, yeah, so yeah. 398 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: I think definitely that's changed, and now I prioritize like 399 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: going to dance and seeing family. But choosing holidays with 400 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: no phone service is really good. 401 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: I love it. 402 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: It's like it forces boundary on you, forces boundaries like 403 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: I am going to a place in a couple of 404 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: weeks where there is no phone service for two weeks, 405 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: and it's so crazy because when it was the last time, 406 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: I think I was like ten years old, where every 407 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: time I wanted to speak to someone, they had to 408 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: be right in front of me, like you know, like 409 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: there's no messaging, there's no phone calls, like forget the 410 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: social media on the like on itself. It's literally no 411 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: communication with anyone that unless in front of you was 412 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: such a good like reach reach, Like. 413 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 2: It's so like you would just have such rich conversation. 414 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: I was also piecing myself when you did announce that 415 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: you left your role and all the tiktoks that people 416 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: were making about like their corporate queen, yeah, and how 417 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: I like their corporate. 418 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 2: Queen had like left her role and they're like, what 419 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 2: do we do? Oh, it's so sweet, but like they 420 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: were really sweet. 421 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: I had really good feedback because I obviously was I'm 422 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: in my little bubble. I would say, like, I don't 423 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: know much about you know, I watch obviously my feed 424 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: usually they're pranking videos. I don't really see many influencers. 425 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: I don't really see what's going on. I'm just in 426 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: my own world a lot of the time. So I 427 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: like that. 428 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 2: So when I saw that, I was like, oh, look 429 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 2: like they like me. I don't like me. 430 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: And also, like being corporate was a big part of like, 431 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, my social media and whatnot, so I thought 432 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: people would be like, oh, now she's not relatable, and 433 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: I have like sometimes like videos will come up and 434 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: you know, I tried not to read comments, and I tried, 435 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: definitely try not to read hate comments. One person was like, Oh, 436 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: she's not relatable anymore. She's quit to be an influencer, 437 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: And I love the people standing up for me. Like, 438 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: she didn't quit to be an influencer, you idiot, She 439 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: quit because it was really bad for. 440 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: Her mental health. Like have you not listened to a video? Yeah, 441 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: even if you were, who cares? 442 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: Like people need to watch. 443 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: The people that really support you, as you've just said, 444 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: are like happy to see you doing that, and like 445 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: no one that actually cares about you would want you 446 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: to stay in a toxic role. No, that's sparked, but 447 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: more exciting, let's talk about Juliet. 448 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: Yes, because I caught you guys robes. 449 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: Wearing the right n talk us through like the process 450 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: of you know, you kind of started this as I 451 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: feel like calling it a side hustle. 452 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: Minnie, but because it's so much bigger, it was just 453 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 2: like a little. 454 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: Creative hobby because I was stuck with like shades of 455 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: Navy at work, just working within PowerPoint and Excel, and 456 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: I just needed more. 457 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 2: I needed more, like a creative outlet. 458 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: So that's what my roommate and I started doing, and 459 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: then it became something where I was like, I really 460 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: enjoy this, maybe we can try. And it was meant 461 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: to just be a summer thing and then we're meant 462 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: to end it in like January and then call it 463 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 1: quits and be like okay, peace out. 464 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: But now, yeah, now I want it to keep going. 465 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: So now that's where I put like all my full 466 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: time that's my full time drive. 467 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 2: And you've been a warehouse. 468 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: Now, yes, we'll three pl third party logistics, so they 469 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: pack everything for us, which is good because we were 470 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: packing everything ourselves and it just meant that we were 471 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: very reactive, so we had miscalculated like future drops planning, 472 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: and so now we're dealing with the chaos because we 473 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: were too busy literally packing orders. Yeah, we have a 474 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: third roommate and she literally was living in a warehouse. 475 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: We felt so bad for her. We obviously apologized a lot. 476 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,440 Speaker 2: We gave for dinners. 477 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: Wee that's what it's like. It was similar when we 478 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: first started rich in life. We like didn't have an office, 479 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: we didn't have anything, and we just had like boxes 480 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: in my apartment. And I'm like such a person that 481 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: like if my apartment's clutted like I'm a bitch. 482 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, it makes you you can't focus? 483 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's so stress And it was such a 484 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: like grassroots campaign, you know, like we're getting help from everyone, 485 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: Like my poor grandparents like late seventies, early eighties were 486 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: coming over to do the os post. 487 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 2: Pickups for us. They take a village. Yeah, oh, it 488 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: genuinely took a village. 489 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: We asked every single friend of ours to help put 490 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: stickers on everything. Have you seen like some of the 491 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: other like I watched like some influences that have their 492 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: own brands. I'm like, do you think they started in 493 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: their like shitty Bondai apartment like boxes up to the 494 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: ceiling like ah, Like no. 495 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 2: I think they went straight to a three PM. I 496 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: feel like that's like my. 497 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: Favorite thing to see though, Like I love seeing just 498 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: like the raw what the fuck is going on? Oh? 499 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's why people love you. I'll find 500 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: you so relatable. What's like the maybe like the top 501 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: three life lessons you learned from starting Cajuliet. Obviously, life 502 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: does not go how you expect or how you planned. 503 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: If you told me like early last year that I 504 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: would be leaving my corporate job to work on a 505 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: business named after my rabbit shout out in Julian Julian, 506 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: but like I was like, oh, what should we call it. 507 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: Let's say about after King Julian's fictional girlfriend Juliette, Like 508 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: even trying to come up with an ACN name. It's 509 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: called King Julian Enterprises, and like trying to communicate that 510 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: with the guy on AMEX. 511 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: He was like, are you joking? Yeah, yeah, you know 512 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 2: King Julian like in Madagascar. 513 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that would definitely be nothing goes according to 514 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: plan and that life really changes quite quickly. 515 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: That would be probably my main lesson. 516 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: And then second is you never know who's going to 517 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: come into your life that will completely change things. Like 518 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: my roommate and I, like we knew each other, but 519 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: we were not close, and now we're best friends. And 520 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: then it's just like where would I be without her? 521 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 1: And she's so supportive and that can be really hard 522 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: to find because you get older you can figure out 523 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: pretty quickly who is genuinely happy for you. I think 524 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: it speaks volumes when you start something like what you 525 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 1: have and you see friends making an order I know, 526 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: or sharing it on this and like if you do 527 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: know someone to the Cheeky's listening that has started a 528 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: small business or a side hustle, Yeah, like support the 529 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: shit out of that, like just even sharing it on 530 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: your story like that, engaging with the bus. I also 531 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: never realized this sounds really like naive, but I never 532 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: realized how much work goes into a small business. 533 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, there's so many fiddly little things. 534 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 3: That constantly you would never know and there's no way 535 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 3: to get taught, yeah unless you're just doing it. 536 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 2: Yes, So there's lots of learning on the job, so 537 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:34,640 Speaker 2: much learning on the job. 538 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: And I used to think I was really about at 539 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: customer service. So now I'm like replying to all like 540 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: customer emails and whatnot, and like I am obviously. 541 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: Very attached to the business. 542 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: So if someone asks for something, I will do everything 543 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: I can to make it happen. Like one of our 544 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: customers went into labor early lost to. 545 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: My business partner. 546 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: I know that we really don't have capacity to like 547 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: spare an hour to do this, but I really want 548 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: to do it. Can you come, Like we should go 549 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: deliver a robe to her hospital room and like a 550 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: care package because this is the stuff that makes you 551 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: feel like I like being in direct communication with our 552 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: customers because once you lose that, you have no idea 553 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: what they want, what feedback they want, And like people 554 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: have been so sweet. I think sometimes they're scared to 555 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: tell us like feedback or like oh I would like this, 556 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I love the feedback because without the feedback, 557 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: we don't improve. Otherwise I'm just like lost in my 558 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: own little world. So, yeah, we got and she let 559 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: me hold the baby. 560 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 2: I know, Julian. 561 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 3: The baby was so cute and I was like, so sweet. 562 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: This is like those little reminders of this is why 563 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: we work so bloody hard. 564 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and people appreciate it. 565 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 3: It's just sweet, like genuine human connection, like you have 566 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 3: a part in that person's story forever. 567 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 2: Now. Yah, I know how incredibles are. 568 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: I know what's next, Chloe. Lots of travel, lots of training. 569 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: But also. 570 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: So I'm actually I'm going to an island off Yemen 571 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: in a few ways. I'm very excited for that. That's 572 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: a camping trip. But honestly, being able, I'm working in 573 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: Bali doing that digital nomad thing. 574 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: Love that. 575 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: So that's the stuff I've. 576 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: Always wanted to do you know when you walk past 577 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: cafes when you're walking to the bus to work, you know, 578 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: an eighty hour week, and you see those cool people 579 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: you know in the working off their laptop. 580 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: I found that I watched they have. I'm doing that. 581 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's going to be going to be That's 582 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: going to be me. That's exactly what I want, honestly. 583 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: So we have like some we had like an air 584 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: tasker to help pick up all the empty boxes. And 585 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: I obviously was in my office wear, which is a 586 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: bikini and a sarong there or the rope. 587 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: He goes, I see you've dressed up. I go, this 588 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 2: is the only thing I wear. 589 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 3: We of course want to support you on this next 590 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: chapter of your journey. So where can the chicks find 591 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: you and support you? 592 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: So my alter ego is Chloe Barry Dinsky on TikTok 593 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 1: and then my actual name is Chloe Barry Haying that's 594 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: on Instagram double barrel obviously a bastard. 595 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: And then and then the business is called Cajualiet. 596 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,120 Speaker 1: So the Instagram is casually at dot xo xo because 597 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: they couldn't get the proper handle it was already taken. 598 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: And my business part was like, is that what you 599 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 2: came up with? Dot xo xo? You don't see Apple 600 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 2: with her dot xoxo. I go, I couldn't get it. 601 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 2: I couldn't get it, and people get used to it. Honestly, 602 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 2: no one cares. I know it's a harder. 603 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 1: I'll also put links in the show notes for everyone 604 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: to go and find them to make it easy. 605 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: To Thank you so much. 606 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 3: And we always finish with one final question with our 607 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 3: guests and for you want to ask what is your 608 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 3: biggest life lesson in your. 609 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 2: Career so far? 610 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to say no one says on their deathbed 611 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: they wish they worked more, and I think that is 612 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: so true. So focus on travel, focus on family, focus 613 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: on friends, focus on things that actually make yourself happy. Also, 614 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: push yourself out of your comfort zone in travel. I 615 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: think that's really important because if you just keep doing 616 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: these bougie trips, you know, laying in resorts, what do 617 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: you actually learn from that? 618 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at you scene, I'm just going to cancel. 619 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: Wanted to push yourself. 620 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 3: Thanks Choe, thank you so much for coming on. It 621 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 3: has been such a pleasure. We know you're so busy 622 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 3: and also We understand that it's been a really stressful, overwhelming, 623 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 3: emotional time, so we do really appreciate that you've been 624 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 3: so candid and shared your experience with us, because we 625 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 3: know that so many chicks relate to your story and 626 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: your experience and are going to get so much inspiration 627 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 3: and advice out of the. 628 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: Three five the Year to Quit. Thanks Chicks. 629 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: Thank you to mk made for making this episode of 630 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: Two Broad Chicks Happen. 631 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 2: We live being in your earhols and we'll see you 632 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: next week. See you next shoes. Sec Oh yeah, say 633 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: next Tuesday. 634 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: By day. 635 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: Bye bye 636 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, m m mm hmmmmmm hm