WEBVTT - Sharri | 19 June 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:02.000 Why. 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.720 On Sky News This is Sharry. 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:12.080 Good Evening Tonight, Benjamin Netanyahu declares the tyrants will pay 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.240 after Iran strikes. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:15.000 In Israeli hospital. 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.040 Will cross live to Israel for the latest news with 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.159 former director of the Prime Minister's Press Office Division in 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:24.759 the MAGA movement as Trump signs off and plans to 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:28.319 strike Iran. I'll have full coverage with former Ambassador to 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.400 Israel Dave Sharma, plus. 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:31.920 James Morrow and Matt Canavan. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.800 Also on the show, Ben roberts Smith's bid for justice 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.840 in the High Court after nine paid a witness hush 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:42.400 money ahead of the appeal trial. More with Chris Merrit 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:46.040 a bit later, and Caroline Marcus brings us the latest 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.960 on tonight's meeting where Victorian Liberals will decide whether to 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.560 lend John Pezzuto one point five million or sent him bankrupt, 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.600 ending his political career. That'll be big news and it's 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:03.160 all coming up tonight to the devastating Iranian attack on 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.639 an Israeli hospital. Here was the moment the Iranian strike 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.080 hit Soroka Hospital in Beer Sheva in southern Israel during 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:16.400 the morning hours. 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:26.720 Al this is a war crime. 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.960 Israel has only been targeting Iranian nuclear and military sites. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:37.679 While Iran has deliberately been killing civilians, this hospital strike 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:41.720 just hours ago is the most devastating act of destructive 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:46.000 intents so far, and it shows this evil regime has 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:47.080 to be stopped. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:49.400 Doesen'ts have been injured? 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:53.760 Israeli Prime Minister benjaminette and Yah who responded tonight warning 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:59.240 that this morning Iran's terrorist tyrants launched missiles at Soroka 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.760 Hospital in Eshebba and at a civilian population in the 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:06.640 center of the country. He says we will exact the 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:12.840 full price from the tyrants in Tehran, and Israeli President 0:02:12.919 --> 0:02:17.280 Isaac Kurtzog said this hospital cares for Israelis of all faiths, 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:22.160 even Palestinian neighbors, and he wrote on social media a 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:26.880 baby in intensive care, a mother by their bedside, a 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:31.760 doctor rushing between beds, an elderly resident in a nursing home. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.120 These were some of the targets of Iran's missile attacks 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:41.320 on Israeli civilians this morning. Iran claims it was targeting 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:46.640 an IDF base, yet there's no military facility nearby, and 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.919 this was the chaos that unfolded inside the hospital when 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:51.760 the strike. 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:56.400 Hit Nasim hud Nashi who. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:12.280 Dashi Israelis are paying with their lives, learning that even 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.480 a hospital is no longer safe in order to fight 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:17.919 Iran on behalf of the West. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.320 Because while Iran has its. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.720 Missiles trained on Israel, death to America is one of 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:28.760 its slogans, and it despises the values that embody Western civilization. 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:30.840 But the more crucial point is this. 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.119 If Iran is prepared to deliberately hit in Israeli hospital 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.160 to kill the injured and sick, then imagine what they 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.640 do with a nuclear weapon. They wouldn't hesitate to use 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:49.040 a nuclear bomb against innocent people or to promote their 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:54.560 Islamist revolutionary agenda. Now, just last night, Israel's Deputy Foreign 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.600 Minister Sharen Haskell said on this show that if Iran 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:04.400 keeps killing in his civilians, then Israel would consider eliminating 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.680 the Supreme Leader, Ayotola Ali Kamani. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.960 And Trump has declared that he's safe, but Israel hasn't. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:14.080 So here's what Charen said. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.400 This is not right now one of our aimed, but 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:25.040 if they push it, you know, we cannot promise what 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:25.800 will happen. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.000 Also afterwards, and. 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.720 With this shocking attack on Israel's hospital today, just in 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.240 the past few hours. This firmly puts on the table 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:40.080 the possibility that Israel could decide to take out the 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:44.280 Supreme Leader, because Israel can't simply sit back while Iran 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:49.000 now hits hospitals already after it first sponsored the October 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:53.880 seven massacre and the terrorism of Hesbalah, there's been enough 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.839 loss and tragedy. Well, the signs are now that Trump 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:04.000 is preparing to strike Iran imminently. He's privately approved the 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.960 attack plans that would be carried out, but he hasn't 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:11.159 given the final order, at least publicly, And of course 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.200 he's giving no public indication of when this could or 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:19.159 will happen. He's keeping the world, especially Iran, on edge. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.200 I may do it, I may not do it. I mean, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:23.400 nobody knows what I'm going to do. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.120 I can tell you there is that Iran's got a 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:27.760 lot of trouble. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.240 General war is very complex, A lot of bad things 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:33.600 can happen, a lot of turns are made, so I 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:33.880 don't know. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.320 I wouldn't say that we want anything yet. I would 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:39.880 say that we're sure as hell made a lot. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.760 Of progress, and we'll see the next week is going 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:45.280 to be very big, maybe less than a week, maybe less. 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:50.400 And Trump is saying he'll make a decision a second before. 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:53.640 But Israel is hardly sitting back waiting for. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:54.599 The United States. 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:59.839 Overnight, it destroyed another twenty military targets in Iran, continuing. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:04.920 It's incredible military and intelligent success during this war. And 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:09.800 it's a success that naturally impresses Trump, and he is likely, 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.800 in my view, to order the B two bombers with 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.279 the bunker buster bombs to hit the four dough Nucleoste 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:21.760 and potentially another. And he'll do this despite the hysterical 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:27.360 public protests from anti Americans who claim to be American first, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.400 and the most prominent of these is Tucker Carlson. Tucker 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.760 is dressing up his anti Western views as die hard 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:41.080 maga when it's the exact opposite. In intelligent circles, he's 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.000 considered a pawn and. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.360 Propagandital of Russias. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:48.640 But we know that he defends Russia and Iran, two 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.760 of the countries that form the Axis of evil and 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:56.719 seek to overturn democracy and American dominance. It's a point 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:01.640 Ted Cruz called him out on in their interview that dominated. 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.440 Political circles globally today. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:10.200 I don't understand for some reason you are really invested 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.800 in defending Russian I don't get that. I'm not attacking 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.040 you with that. I'm genuinely like, I don't get why 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.480 you're you're so passionate about defending Russia. 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.280 That was a messy interview where the promo snippet didn't 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.680 look good for Ted Cruz, even though it was a 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.400 gotcha question about the population size of Iran? 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:32.720 How many people living around? By the way, I don't 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.760 know the population at all. No, I don't know the population. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:38.600 You don't know the population of the country you seek 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:39.280 to topple. 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.720 Why is it relevant whether it will because ninety million 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:42.920 or eighty million or one hundred million? 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.720 What because if you don't know anything about the. 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.440 Country, I didn't say I don't know anything about Okay, 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.560 what's the ethnic mix of Iran? They are Persians and 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:55.080 well predominantly Shia. Okay, you don't know anything about Iran. 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:59.480 So okay, I'm not the Tucker Carlson vicksbird on Iran. 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:04.680 Who's calling at the country. 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:10.160 MESSI like I said, now, Tucker employs the journalistic technique 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:14.200 of interrupting every sentence, not letting him finish a sentence 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:19.040 with an incredulous question or accusation seeking to undermine Cruise's 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.080 statements and make him look stupid to the audience. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.440 And you know, it's a classic technique, the ABC do 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:26.640 it all the time. 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.920 But over the course of the interview, Ted Cruz did 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:36.080 call out Tucker's hypocrisies and anti Western views, and Cruiz 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.640 does have the moral authority, not Tucker Carlson. 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.880 So you want to ask how to supporting Israel benefit us? 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.920 Right now, this tiny little country the size of the 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.560 state of New Jersey is fighting our enemies for us 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:54.480 and taking out their top military leadership and trying to 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:55.800 take out their nuclear capacity. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:57.720 That makes America much safer. 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:03.959 Exactly, Young Israelis are fighting America's enemy for it. 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.840 They are shouldering the burden of this fight. 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.400 All that's asked of Trump is to deploy the bunker 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.200 busters to take out the nucleo sites that. 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.320 Are too deep underground. Now it's head Crews. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.000 Also called out what he claimed, and I agree with, 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.600 was his weird obsession with Israel. 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:28.599 By the way, Tucker, it's a very weird thing. The 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.439 obsession with Israel. Well, we're talking about for it country. 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.439 You're not talking about Chinese, you're not talking about Japanese, 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:35.920 and we're not talking about the Brits, you're not talking 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:36.440 about the French. 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.600 The question what about the Jews? What about the Jews? 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.920 You Sam might now, Senator, you're just in the questions 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.440 Tucker to me, you're asking why are the Jews controlling 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:46.280 our foreign policy? 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.559 That's what you just asked, hardly saying that, and I 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.400 have that It's exactly what you just said. 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.400 And as you know, Trump already described Tucker as kooky 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:59.920 this week. Well, influential figures like Steve Bannon are now 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:04.160 starting to say that MAGA will follow Trump with whatever 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:05.079 he decides to do. 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:09.520 President Trump decides to do that I know, and particularly 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:13.439 his skills as a communicator, that he will come and 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.360 walk people through it in the MAGA movement. Look, there'll 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.480 be some, but the vast majority of the Mega movement go, look, 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:20.160 we trust your judgment. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:21.079 You've walked us through this. 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:24.439 We don't like it, in fact, maybe we hate it, 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:27.040 but you know, we'll get on board. 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:29.760 And it's true. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.640 And it's a good thing that Bannon is now backing 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.120 in Trump. It indicates this is the action Trump is 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:36.240 going to take. 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:37.480 And it's right. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:43.079 Voters will and should trust Trump's judgment. Supreme Leader Ayatollah 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.160 Ali Kamani is still refusing to surrender, a point he 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.760 made in a nationwide television address. 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.839 The Iranian nation will not surrender to anyone aiming to 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:58.640 impose anything on it. The damage to America if it 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:03.040 gets militarily involved, would be an irreparable damage. 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:03.560 No doubt. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:09.000 But the time for talks and negotiation has passed. Trump 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.760 made that clear when Putin offered to broker a deal 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.120 between Iran and America. Trump told him to sort out 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.679 his own ceasefire first. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.720 I said, Vladimir, let's mediate Russia first. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.120 You can worry about this later. 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.360 And it's interesting because when not even Putin is taking 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:33.040 Iran's side, I mean, it was offering to mediate, so 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.079 he's not even taking Iran's side. It's an indication of 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:40.719 just how isolated the Islamic Republic is, which makes it 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.400 even more bizarre why Penny Wang kept implying there was 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:50.160 an equivalence between Iran and Israel in refusing to explicitly 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.480 endorse Israel's fight against Iran. The Albanese government has been 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.920 extremely out of step with the international community, and Penny 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.400 Wang has even had to change her language over the 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:07.839 past week to slightly strengthen her criticism of Iran, yet 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:13.040 she still can't endorse Israel's actions, and on Sunday on Insiders, 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:17.120 she urged both Israel and Iran to de escalate. She 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.000 even had a phone conversation with the Iranian foreign minister, 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.439 yet as far as I know, she didn't speak to Israel. 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.280 She's shattered the relationship with Israel. 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:31.320 University of Melbourne professor of political science Timothy Leech wrote 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.280 about the absurd foreign policy position of the Albanese government 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.120 in a brilliant article today. He said that the Albanese 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:44.480 government is prone to Wongism, the belief that negotiation and 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:47.920 restraint is the solution to every conflict. 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:48.880 Wogism. 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.959 He says, we've lost the stomach for armed confrontation and 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:54.760 have defunded. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.599 The Australian military to prove it. And I think that 0:12:58.720 --> 0:12:59.840 puts it so well. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.560 It explains the bizarre refusal of albin Easy to invest 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.559 more in defense when every other major country around the 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:13.640 world accepts this necessity, and most are not even on 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.400 the frontline of an aggressive China like we are now. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:21.920 In the article, Timothy leech Lynch also writes, did Israel 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.959 just call a halt to all? That this little liberal democracy, 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.120 which is ten times smaller than the state of Victoria, 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:37.320 has done more to advance the rights progressives demand, gender quality, LGDPQI, liberation, 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:44.000 religious freedom than an Iranian theocracy designed against them. And 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:48.520 Timothy even praises Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahoo for his contribution 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:55.160 to civilizational flourishing. He writes, few democratic leaders ended the 0:13:55.240 --> 0:14:00.640 careers and lives of more fascists than Thatcher after nineteen 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:05.079 eighty two, and yet in Yahoo since last weekend. But 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:10.520 it is their detractors who claim to be principled anti fascists. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.320 They're detractors who claim to be principled anti fascists, Isn't 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.559 that brilliantly put? And that's been the absurdity of the 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:23.520 Albaneze government's position this entire time. They've preferred to take 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:28.960 the side of Islamist regimes that oppose everything the progressive 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:33.280 left supposedly stand for, instead of backing Israel, which is 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:37.120 on the right side of history. Donald Trump knows this 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.520 that Israel's on the right side of history, Yet he 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:45.400 is under pressure from the Republican isolationists. Trump's decision on 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.520 whether to support Israel in eliminating nuclear sites should not 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:54.520 be driven by the narrow, reactionary lens of the Maga ethos. 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.560 It should be made with the knowledge. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.800 That he has the power to restore global stability with 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.640 a move of such consequence that will cement his legacy. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.200 Trump can be the president who ends Iran's nuclear weapons program, 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:14.480 a feat that eluded many others. It would also be 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.520 supported by international leaders. If he chooses to do this, 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.600 he'll be elevated in the history books to a figure 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:27.000 of political courage and greatness. If he chooses not to 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:31.760 do this, he'll earn a reputation for cowardice, already reflected 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:37.080 in his nickname Taco Trump always chickens out. The Pentagon 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.240 is currently getting its ducks in a row. The military, 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:44.600 arsenal and infrastructure are almost in place in preparation for 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.720 the American strikes, and they could be as soon as 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.560 Friday night or this weekend. Despite the pressure mounting, I 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.520 expect the President will make the right call, and I 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:03.360 think he already has all right big show coming out 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:05.560 across live to Israel with a former director of the 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.880 Prime Minister's Press Office, Shotley, plus Dave Sharma. But now 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.120 let's bring in tonight's panel, National Senator Matt Canavan and 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.800 Sky News' host James Morrow, and let's start without the 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.840 fracturing of the Republican. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.160 Party and the MAGA movement. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:24.200 Matt, this is exposing the very real ideological differences in 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:25.440 the MAGA movement, isn't it? 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:28.720 It sure is, Shari. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:33.800 I mean, Donald Trump really launched himself onto the national 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:36.480 stage in a debate in South Carolina in twenty sixteen 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:41.040 when he evicerated the then I supposed Bush doctrine in 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.120 the Middle East. It was very controversial, little gasp in 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.320 the audience when he did, but he kind of won 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.080 that debate. He won that debate that the so called 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:51.920 Forever Wars were a mistake and should never have happened. 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.360 And I suppose I'm also I'm concerned here right now. 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:57.560 I mean, have we learned the lessons of the last 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.920 twenty years, So I'm very worried about what's happening here. 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.680 I think it's very important when you get involved in 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.240 any conflict situation to know exactly what the objective is 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.159 that needs to be clear, and also how are you 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.800 going to get out of it? And I'm not so 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:13.840 sure what the objective here is because I hear different 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.760 things the last few weeks. Is it the nuclear program, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.440 is it regime change. I'd be very concerned about the latter. 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.119 Between a country three times the size of Iraq with 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.000 three times of population, it hasn't worked very well today 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.000 the last twenty years, and I think that's something that 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.480 the debate needs to take into consideration here. Whenever the 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.200 US has intervened in the Middle East, in North Africa, 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.240 it's usually made things worse. So I just think it 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.040 is good to pause here. I hope the President is 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:48.040 considering all of these things very deeply because it has 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.000 huge implications for the world, and. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:54.119 Of course he is considering them very deeply. But you know, James, 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.720 and I respect Matt's point of view. Of course I 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.359 respect Matt enormously, But James, if you can't, I'd bring 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:05.560 yourself to destroy a nuclear facility that Iran has refused 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:10.200 to agree to stop producing uranium, that even the IAEA 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:15.879 has called out that they're not abiding by the protocols. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.840 They're refusing inspectors into several sites. I mean if he 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:23.359 can't take that basic decision to destroy a nuclear facility, 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.359 then there is no US leadership anymore. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.280 Well, I don't think i'd go that far. I'd say this. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:35.080 You know, there is a very respectable America first position 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.119 that says, assisting with B two bombers to blow up 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.760 the photo nuclear site here with these bunker buster bombs 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.840 is something that fits within that category. Because you're not 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.320 talking about boots on the ground. The second you're talking 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.600 about any American boots on the ground in Iran, I 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.080 would be exceedingly very nervous about that in the same 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:57.560 sort of matter is But I think that you have 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.560 to telescope about the history of this year. You know, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:02.840 we're very much focused on Iran and the nuclear deal, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:06.959 and you know this position that we're in, ironically has 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.680 been created by the Obama administration, by previous American administration, 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.879 so we're trying to undo that. But I have to 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:16.080 go back for the nineteen seventy nine and the Iranian revolution. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.200 And you know, as far as I'm concerned, from the 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.720 moment the Revolutionary Guards and the students who later became 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:27.119 the Revolutionary Guards stormed that embassy and held American hostages 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.280 for four hundred and forty four days. You know, a 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:34.360 state of war has essentially existed between the Iranian clerical 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.600 regime and the United States. I think to do something 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.560 to collapse that regime, not occupy Iran and install our 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.440 own personal though it would be great to see the 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:45.840 Shah come back and great see you know, the Iranian 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.040 royal family come back in to the picture giants. Yeah, Matt, 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:50.240 you got to go. 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.720 You've got to go further back, James, I mean the 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:58.800 six and the CIA toppled, they raise a khan that's sorry, 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:03.080 the Mussadae democratically elected government in nineteen fifty three. Before that, 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:06.159 the British government installed an Imperial Army general in nineteen 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.280 twenty five in Iran, displicing a monarchy that exists in 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.040 sevento eighty nine. I mean, it's I mean, how many 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:13.480 times should we interfere? 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:14.080 And in. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.040 Century? They say, yeah, look, I mean. 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:21.920 It hasn't and things gotten worse and worse and worse 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:22.360 every time. 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:24.760 Well okay, but Matt, you know, sorry, like you know, 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:27.520 I do have to sort of say that the idea 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:32.720 of this molocracy, you know, with nuclear weapons is simply 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:34.680 you know, not a good thing for the world. And 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.840 even without the even without the nuclear weapons, even with 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.879 the nuclear weapons, this regime has been a sponsor of 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:46.400 absolute horrendous terrorism. You know, it created the Lebanese civil 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:50.440 war with Hezbollah, It you know, sponsored Hamas, It sponsors 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:54.840 all sorts of really bad, destabilizing things. If you can 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.560 cross that off of the balance sheet of the Middle East, 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.200 that regime. You know, the Iranian people don't like this 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.040 regime much either, you know, so you know, this isn't 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.040 like an Iraq situation where Iraq you know, had nothing 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:10.960 to do with nine to eleven and did not have WMDs, 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.560 and that was you know that we were lied into 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.159 that war, and you know, I totally acknowledge that, and 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.960 that was a mistake, but we can't let that mistake, 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.800 and it was a terrible mistake of the West to 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:26.000 then say we will never go and assist in any 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:29.200 sort of promotion of our own ends again. And you know, 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:33.080 that's where that's where I differ from the Strong America. 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:35.119 First is I think that you know, this sort of 0:21:35.200 --> 0:21:38.800 foreign policy is perfectly within that agenda. You're not talking about, 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.280 you know, the road to Tehran or anything like that. 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.600 You're just talking about blowing up a facility and. 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:48.440 Going away exactly, and just to have the final say 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.400 on that, I mean, America verse has got a main 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.640 putting America Verse, which means not letting America's greatest enemy. 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:56.440 In Iran have a nuclear weapon. 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:59.840 All right, let's move on to renewable Labor's renewable agenda. 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.640 Treasurer and Jim Chalmers spoke about this at the Press Club. 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:03.160 Have a look. 0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:08.720 The global net zero transition will also reshape our revenue 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:13.240 from resources. Now, this evolution in our revenue base is 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:16.840 one of the reasons tax reform is so crucial to 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:22.879 budget sustainability, on top of restraining spending, finding savings and 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.480 working on longer term spending pressures. 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.680 All right, Matt, I know you're fired up about this, 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.640 and it does sound like net zero could be more 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:33.639 expensive than we. 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:34.560 Have been told. 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:39.080 Absolutely right, Shoes is a shocking admission from the Treasurer. 0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:42.560 They're really hearing for the first time. Officially, I mean 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.399 unofficially and myself have been pointing out the fact that 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:48.240 net zero is going to cost Australia a fortune, particularly 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:52.160 given our second and third biggest exports are fossil fuels. 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:54.960 But what we've seen from the government to date until 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:57.760 this shocking admission, is that somehow, I know that's okay, 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.760 they say, because we're going to become a green energy 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:05.840 export superpower, and primarily with something called hydrogen. Sometimes is 0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:08.639 an idea will export solar power through the northern territory 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.320 as well, these crazy ideas, and the idea, I suppose 0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.160 with the assumption has been that well, those incomestrooms, those 0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.280 export revenues will just simply replace may even that they 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:20.440 may even grow further than what we export from coal 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.159 and gas. But the Treasurer has just admitted that actually 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.159 pursuing that zero is going to come at a major 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:28.520 cost to the federal budget. And then the other thing 0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:30.560 that he sort of slipped in there was, you know, 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:32.720 it's sort of cute, doesn't it, Shari When they say 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.800 tax reform, whenever they hear the word tax reform, that 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.960 means tax increases. Because he said when he tax reform 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:43.040 increases sustainability of the budget, that means he wants more revenue. 0:23:43.040 --> 0:23:44.119 He wants more taxes from you. 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:48.119