Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 3: Hello, good evening, Thanks so much, Sherry, and welcome to
Speaker 3: the program. James Burrow here sitting in one more night
Speaker 3: for the great Man on Paul Murray Live. But do
Speaker 3: not fret, because guess what, We've got another huge show
Speaker 3: for you tonight. Matt Canavan and Sam Crosby are here
Speaker 3: duking it out on Monday Night Fights Plus. Just quietly,
Speaker 3: I don't want to speak too soon, but I think
Speaker 3: it may be looking good for the Trumpster. And Alis
Speaker 3: Nielsen joins me a bit later from the campaign trail
Speaker 3: with some pretty interesting polling data, but we're gonna get
Speaker 3: to that a little later on in the show Closer
Speaker 3: to Home. Let's take a look at what's going on
Speaker 3: here with the Prime Minister and his polling and how
Speaker 3: basically well this government has let the entire country drift
Speaker 3: for the last two and a half years while it
Speaker 3: pursued its own obsessions from the Voice to climate to Palestine. Now.
Speaker 3: At the start of last night's program, I said that
Speaker 3: for all the government's touted legislative achievements, things have gotten
Speaker 3: worse for Australians on most of the key measures. People
Speaker 3: actually care about. And then about half an hour after
Speaker 3: I said that, as I was speaking to just Enter Price,
Speaker 3: a new news poll dropped revealing that the numbers were
Speaker 3: a two party preferred basis fifty one forty nine to
Speaker 3: the coalition. Boom Well. Anthony Albanezi tried his best not
Speaker 3: to look too rotted about this today.
Speaker 4: I'm very focused on continuing the late a majority government.
Speaker 4: My government has a record that we're very proud of,
Speaker 4: a record that's cut inflation in half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, sure he can say that now, but remember
Speaker 3: this from earlier this year.
Speaker 4: We haven't lost to go back to Nemesis, we haven't
Speaker 4: lost in news, Paul, since I've been priming this stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, what a difference six or eight months makes,
Speaker 3: Because it's funny. As he was talking about the ABC
Speaker 3: program about the Liberals called Nemesis. In the process there,
Speaker 3: he committed a great act of hubris. And I won't
Speaker 3: be the first one to tell you that in saying
Speaker 3: those words, he made a rod for his own proverbial
Speaker 3: back and it was only natural things would catch up
Speaker 3: to him. Look, let's take a look at where we
Speaker 3: are now as a nation since Ethny Albanesi's labor government
Speaker 3: took power. Prices have gone up by ten percent since
Speaker 3: Labor took office and diving down into the numbers. It's
Speaker 3: really a horror show. Food is up by eleven percent,
Speaker 3: housing up by fifteen rent by fifteen percent, electricity up
Speaker 3: by twenty two percent, gas by twenty five percent. Where's
Speaker 3: your two hundred and seventy five dollars powablele cut by
Speaker 3: the way? Healthcare up by eleven percent, education costs up
Speaker 3: eleven percent, financial and insurance costs seventeen percent. At the
Speaker 3: same time, population has soared, while housing construction and approval
Speaker 3: starts have plummeted, worsening a housing crisis, particularly for our
Speaker 3: kids and grandkids. Interest rates, of course are up, smashing
Speaker 3: mortgage holders. Meanwhile, net migration has soared, the consequence of
Speaker 3: big Australia policies which are there just to keep overall
Speaker 3: GDP pumped up while our living standards go down. And
Speaker 3: of course there's the whole question of social cohesion which
Speaker 3: has also plummeted. Under Albanesi's watch, people have been allowed
Speaker 3: to wave flags for Hezballah because labor can no longer
Speaker 3: take a strong star dance in favor of Israel and
Speaker 3: really properly call out the ugly virus of anti Semitism
Speaker 3: that has suddenly, depressingly re emerged from the shadows. People
Speaker 3: frankly are pissed. To be more accurate, they're pissed off
Speaker 3: because they can't afford to get pissed anymore, because our
Speaker 3: alcohol taxes are among the highest in the world this
Speaker 3: side of Saudi Arabia. But there was actually, if you
Speaker 3: can believe it, worst news for the government today and
Speaker 3: if you picked up the News Corp tabloids you will
Speaker 3: have seen this. Labor faces backlash over housing affordability crisis
Speaker 3: as concerns mount over falling standards of living. Now, that
Speaker 3: story went on to say that new polling has revealed
Speaker 3: eighty five percent of Australians believe it is impossible or
Speaker 3: they're unsure about whether a young person can break into
Speaker 3: the real est state market without family assistants. That's the
Speaker 3: bankabomb and Dad, and rates of pessimism are highest. Here's
Speaker 3: the real number. This Those rates of pessimism are highest
Speaker 3: in electorates held by Labor. And if it wasn't bad
Speaker 3: enough for Labor, there was this also the research by
Speaker 3: Redbridge and Accent found that electorate level pessimism towards home
Speaker 3: ownership and retirement strongly correlates with here we go swings
Speaker 3: away from the government, especially in outer suburban and regional areas.
Speaker 3: Electorates with high levels of economic pessimism include those held
Speaker 3: by key Labor frontbenchers. We're talking about here, Home Affairs
Speaker 3: Minister Tony Burke in Watson, Industry Ministry and Husick and Chiffley,
Speaker 3: and Education Minister Jason clare in Blaxxon, all of which
Speaker 3: are in westerns oh And as for Smiling Jim Chalmer
Speaker 3: as well, his seat of Rankin has the highest number
Speaker 3: of voters who do not feel confident about the retirement,
Speaker 3: sixty eight percent of people in his electorate. So I
Speaker 3: guess it's kind of appropriate that these numbers all hit
Speaker 3: just on the first anniversary of the Voice referendum. And
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why, because I think there's a connection
Speaker 3: between these two events. I think that this declining support
Speaker 3: and this economic drift downwards on the other side of
Speaker 3: this Voice debate, well, they're emblematic of the way Labor
Speaker 3: came into office and what did they do. They immediately
Speaker 3: set about frittering away their political capital on social causes
Speaker 3: rather than making life better for Australians. Now, let's go
Speaker 3: back to that little clip of the seven thirty interview
Speaker 3: I showed you before where Anthony Albani's was talking about
Speaker 3: the News poll from February and get a bigger section
Speaker 3: of his answer. There, have a.
Speaker 2: Look at the end of last year.
Speaker 4: As I said before, you had suffered a number of reverses,
Speaker 4: as I noted, particularly the Voice referendum.
Speaker 2: Do you now feel that with this you have got
Speaker 2: your mojo back?
Speaker 4: I never lost it, Sarah, It's not what the pole said. Well,
Speaker 4: actually they were ahead head. We haven't lost. To go
Speaker 4: back to nemesis, we haven't lost the News poll since
Speaker 4: I've been priming and stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, past is prologue, there isn't it. Look talk about clueless,
Speaker 3: talk about out of touch. So what do you recond
Speaker 3: Labor proposes to do about all this? Well, how do
Speaker 3: you think they're going to go into this campaign? What
Speaker 3: are you going to be the big issues they're going
Speaker 3: to fight for? How are they going to convince Australians
Speaker 3: that they should give them another goal, give them that
Speaker 3: majority government that Anthony Albanezi keeps bucking up his party
Speaker 3: room and saying hey we've got this. Well here's water.
Speaker 3: Environment Minister Tanya Pleroseak this morning on their big bald
Speaker 3: strategy to win a majority at the next election.
Speaker 5: We're focused, we're doing the right thing. It's a very
Speaker 5: close it's a very close poll. And what I would
Speaker 5: say is as as an election approaches, people remember what
Speaker 5: it was like to have a liberal government. They'll remember Robodebt,
Speaker 5: They'll remember the secret ministries, they'll remember sports roats, they'll
Speaker 5: remember car park routs. They'll remember what it's like to
Speaker 5: have a liberal government.
Speaker 3: This this is the big idy of folks. Sports roots,
Speaker 3: car park roots, the secret ministry stuff, all of the
Speaker 3: s Scott Morrison stuff. Talk about fighting the asked war.
Speaker 3: People are hurting out there, the cost of living is
Speaker 3: through the roof, the society is coming a part of
Speaker 3: the seams and what is Labour's plan here? They're gonna campaign,
Speaker 3: They're gonna fight against Scott Morrison. I mean, the only
Speaker 3: thing there that Taddy Plivers that didn't say is they're
Speaker 3: gonna say, hey what about you know, I don't hold
Speaker 3: a hose. How about some other things they could do? Well,
Speaker 3: you know, they could do something like properly slashing immigration,
Speaker 3: or at least tilting it away from uber eats drivers
Speaker 3: towards actual skilled workers. They could tear up the red
Speaker 3: tape that's killing small business, especially around ir They could
Speaker 3: abandon the reckless headlong quest for renewables and making it easier. Well,
Speaker 3: they could also do something about making it easier to
Speaker 3: build a house. I don't know, just a few ideas,
Speaker 3: but what do I know. They're gonna go with sports rots,
Speaker 3: They're gonna go with I didn't hold a hose. They're
Speaker 3: gonna go with fighting Scott Morrison. Okay, good luck to
Speaker 3: you guys. And you know that's what they're gonna do
Speaker 3: if Tony Plibersek has anything to go by. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's gonna work. Anyway, what are you gonna do? Rightio,
Speaker 3: let's go over to the USA now analyse Nielsen, as
Speaker 3: I said, will be with us in a bit. But first,
Speaker 3: can we have a quick chat here about JD. Vance,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's vice presidential nominee. And you recall when he
Speaker 3: was named, a lot of people doubted this pick. They thought,
Speaker 3: oh gee, this guy's weird. He's got the cat lady stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, there's no way he's gonna connect. He's gonna
Speaker 3: be a terrible performer. But I kinda say he has
Speaker 3: turned out to be something of a superstar here, particularly
Speaker 3: when it comes to turning the tables on established media,
Speaker 3: you know, the CNN and New York Time types and
Speaker 3: exposing what a weird bubble all those people who are
Speaker 3: teleg Americans that they absolutely have to vote for Kamala Harrison,
Speaker 3: Tim Walls, Well, what a strange bubble they live in. Now.
Speaker 3: Several weeks ago, you'll recall the news broke that violent
Speaker 3: Venezuelan gangs had taken over apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado.
Speaker 3: This was big news, at least it was in some quarters.
Speaker 3: But check out this. I love this. Here this exchange
Speaker 3: with ABC News is Martha Raddittz and JD Vance. And
Speaker 3: check out how she tries to play it off. This
Speaker 3: idea that gangs of Venezuelan migrants have taken over apartment complexes.
Speaker 3: It's no big deal.
Speaker 6: The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment conflex
Speaker 6: apartment complexes, and the mayor said, our dedicated police officers
Speaker 6: have acted on those concerns. A handful of problems.
Speaker 7: Only, Martha, do you hear yourself? Only a handful of
Speaker 7: apartment complexes in America were taken over by Venezuelan gangs,
Speaker 7: and Donald Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris's
Speaker 7: open border. Americans are so fed up with what's going on,
Speaker 7: and they have every right to be.
Speaker 8: And I really find this exchange, Martha's sort of interesting
Speaker 8: because you seem to be more focused with nitpicking everything
Speaker 8: that Donald Trump has said rather than acknowledging that apartment
Speaker 8: complexes in the United States of America are being taken
Speaker 8: over by violent gangs.
Speaker 3: Just a handful of apartment complexes. I mean, come on,
Speaker 3: what are people so upset about? Think of the vibrancy
Speaker 3: and the cuisines that are being brought in by these
Speaker 3: Venezuelan gangs. And I'll tell you what. Jd. Vance is
Speaker 3: absolutely onto something there, because had those apartment complexes been
Speaker 3: in someplace like Arlington, Virginia, next to Washington, DC, you know,
Speaker 3: I think people like Martha Raddits would care, but there
Speaker 3: were Colorado, Well what do they care about that? Inside
Speaker 3: the beltwagh. Then there was this exchange with The New
Speaker 3: York Times as Lulu Garcia Navarro and I think this
Speaker 3: is also quite telling. And I'll play this for you
Speaker 3: because it exposes all the biases for people to see.
Speaker 3: Watch the look on Navarro's face at the end of
Speaker 3: this exchange.
Speaker 9: About a third of the construction workforce in this country
Speaker 9: is Hispanic. Of those, a large portion are undocumented. So
Speaker 9: how do you propose to build all the housing necessary
Speaker 9: that we need in this country by removing all the
Speaker 9: people who are working in construction. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 9: arguing in favor of illegal immigration. I'm asking how you
Speaker 9: would deal with the knock on effect of your proposal
Speaker 9: to remove millions of people who work in a critical
Speaker 9: part of the economy.
Speaker 10: Well, I think that what you would do is you
Speaker 10: would take, let's say, for example, the seven million prime
Speaker 10: age men who have dropped out of the labor force,
Speaker 10: and you have a smaller number of women, but still
Speaker 10: millions of women prime age who have dropped out of
Speaker 10: the lay labor force. You you absolutely could re engage
Speaker 10: folks into the American labor market.
Speaker 9: This is I think to work in construction.
Speaker 2: Of course, you could.
Speaker 3: To work in construction. Oh my god, the horror. How icky?
Speaker 3: Who would want to work in construction? My word? This mentality, though,
Speaker 3: of the New York Times bubble, and it's the same
Speaker 3: thing here in Australia, by the way, is so telling,
Speaker 3: but it's also self defeating because, as the Wall Street
Speaker 3: Journal reported this week, guess who the new millionaire class
Speaker 3: is in America. It's plumbers and skilled trainees and entrepreneurs,
Speaker 3: which I gotta say must be some pretty sour news
Speaker 3: if you're sitting around in Brooklyn or someplace like that
Speaker 3: paying off a two hundred thousand dollars gender studies degree
Speaker 3: where all you learned was to identify as a cat. Anyway,
Speaker 3: let's move on and let's get into the conversation now.
Speaker 3: Please to be joined here tonight the Sky News contributor
Speaker 3: Scam Crosby right here in the man cave with me.
Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Salem, great to have you here. Ed
Speaker 3: joining us from Queensland is National Senator Matt Canavan. Welcome
Speaker 3: to you both. So I guess, really, Sam, the big
Speaker 3: news here is this newsporol. I want to go back
Speaker 3: to that start with you guys here, actually, Matt, let's
Speaker 3: actually start with you, Matt. I want to find out
Speaker 3: from you what's surviving the coalition? Are you guys popping
Speaker 3: a champagne corks or are you keeping a lit on it?
Speaker 11: Look definitely not getting ahead of anything here, James. Look,
Speaker 11: I think we're very happy to be in a competitive position.
Speaker 1: We do you think we can.
Speaker 11: Win the next election, but we are and we'll remind
Speaker 11: underdogs it almost never happens that our first term government
Speaker 11: is tossed out, so it's a very very difficult exercise.
Speaker 11: We have a lot of saits we've got to win,
Speaker 11: but we've just got to focus on what we've been
Speaker 11: doing the last couple of years, and that is pointing
Speaker 11: out at the failures of this government that seems lost,
Speaker 11: especially since they lost the Voice last year, and we
Speaker 11: do need to provide an alternative. I think Peter dunt
Speaker 11: has done that with each policies like UK Energy. We've
Speaker 11: got to do more of that leading up to the
Speaker 11: election because I do think there's a mood for change.
Speaker 11: I've been here in Queensland on the first day of
Speaker 11: voting at the state election, have been here in Serena
Speaker 11: supporting Glenn Helly, the Olymp's candidate for MORAINI and definitely
Speaker 11: people want change here in Queensland.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 11: There are a lot of specific issues here with the
Speaker 11: Queensland government, but some issues do hold over to the
Speaker 11: federal level as well, and that's a high energy prices,
Speaker 11: high cost of living and a lack of solutions on
Speaker 11: building enough houses just for people to live in this country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sam, when I'll go back to that little bit
Speaker 3: of played there in the editorial where Albanize he said,
Speaker 3: and you could almost feel everybody tense up when that
Speaker 3: first happened. You know, hey, I've never lost a newspap.
Speaker 3: That's like almost begging for that clip to be played
Speaker 3: because it eventually is going to happen. But you know,
Speaker 3: is there a concerned in labor that maybe too much
Speaker 3: has time has been spent on things like the Voice
Speaker 3: coming into government and not enough on putting the mark
Speaker 3: on you know, practical things for people, like economic things,
Speaker 3: that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Look, I think that was a year ago when the
Speaker 2: Voice was lost.
Speaker 12: I think there was a lot of soul searching in
Speaker 12: our team of people thinking, you know, what do we
Speaker 12: just spend the last year doing. I got to say,
Speaker 12: I think for the last couple of months, I think
Speaker 12: they have been shaping up to be a lot more
Speaker 12: election election ready, you know, I mean Matt made the
Speaker 12: point that it's it's very hard for first term governments
Speaker 12: to lose or to change. I think that's ultimately because
Speaker 12: the Australian people are fair and they look at it
Speaker 12: and they say, well, is three years really long enough
Speaker 12: to do all the things you said you did and whatnot?
Speaker 2: Or do you deserve to go round again?
Speaker 12: And I think generally speaking, even though people, yes, I
Speaker 12: agree this poll is not a good news for Labor,
Speaker 12: but I think generally speaking, people will look at it
Speaker 12: when they go to vote and they'll think, has the
Speaker 12: Liberal Party changed sufficiently so that the party that I
Speaker 12: kicked out three years ago?
Speaker 2: Are they happy? You know?
Speaker 12: Are they ready to be brought back in now? And
Speaker 12: has the current government done enough to be re elected?
Speaker 12: My general vibe is they, you know, in the next
Speaker 12: six months or three months or how long we've got
Speaker 12: to go. I think my general vibe is yeah, I
Speaker 12: think you're going to see a re elected Labor government.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: But I mean that's sort of James basically basically their
Speaker 11: re election pitch. The re election pitch is going to be, Look,
Speaker 11: we might be pretty crap, but we're not as bad
Speaker 11: as the skull and government on the depression. That's that's
Speaker 11: going to be their pitch. Like I mean, that was
Speaker 11: a pretty like I like, Sam. I think it does
Speaker 11: a good job with hard materials at times.
Speaker 1: But they haven't got a lot to rest on.
Speaker 11: If all they're saying is, look, we're still better than
Speaker 11: the other team are in a very vulnerable position because
Speaker 11: they really haven't delivered much.
Speaker 1: They haven't delivered on their promises.
Speaker 3: To that.
Speaker 2: In our country's history.
Speaker 3: Gentlemen, let me just put this to you. Let me
Speaker 3: just take what matters there, Sam, and put this to
Speaker 3: you here. You know, if the proposition is that Australians
Speaker 3: generally return a government for a second term, and you
Speaker 3: see people like Tanny Pleusk out there saying, hey, look,
Speaker 3: you know it's all about the sports wars. People remember
Speaker 3: how bad things were. But that's not really a recipe
Speaker 3: for saying, you know, here's something positive.
Speaker 2: Pro am absolutely absolutely, and maybe what are we going
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 12: Sure? Sure, And that shouldn't be the campaign that Labour
Speaker 12: runs on.
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 12: They're going to need to outline what they're going to
Speaker 12: do for the second term. And you know I've been
Speaker 12: saying for the last I don't know, four or five
Speaker 12: years of coming on this show, it needs to be housing, housing, housing, housing,
Speaker 12: that's got to be the centerpiece of it. But to
Speaker 12: Matt's point that he made in his opening salvo, you know, okay,
Speaker 12: nuclear power, you've released a two page document on nuclear power.
Speaker 2: What else? You know?
Speaker 12: What else is the is the opposition proposing makes them
Speaker 12: worthy of having.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to take that up.
Speaker 11: Look, obviously we'll have a lot more policies to come
Speaker 11: before the next election. But another thing we've identified is
Speaker 11: up to ninety billion dollars of savings this government has
Speaker 11: racked up, including a massive green spending boon, doggles which
Speaker 11: are not working, like hydrogen, just wasting your money, adding
Speaker 11: to inflation, the the employing thirty thousand public.
Speaker 1: Servants in two years extra.
Speaker 11: These are extra public service, costing up to nearly seven
Speaker 11: billion dollars a year on the payroll, growing every year.
Speaker 11: We've identified those savings because the most important thing to
Speaker 11: do right now is to cut the cost of living
Speaker 11: for people, and a big way to do that is
Speaker 11: to cut government spending.
Speaker 1: So that's another policy.
Speaker 11: Another policy is to bring migration down to around one
Speaker 11: hundred and sixty thousand a year net migration, it's sitting
Speaker 11: at five hundred thousand right now, more than double what
Speaker 11: we normally take in. That has obviously added to the
Speaker 11: housing challenges and pressures we've got. We've got a serious
Speaker 11: plan to bring that down and create space for Australians
Speaker 11: first to have a roof over their head. So they're
Speaker 11: just a few, I think they're pretty major policies. Obviously,
Speaker 11: letting you have an next election, there'll be more to
Speaker 11: come as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, Matt, it's just on that though.
Speaker 3: You know one thing that we've seen and actually to
Speaker 3: both of you guys, those numbers here that we heard
Speaker 3: about earlier when I was speaking about the numbers about
Speaker 3: people just being completely disheartened and depressed about their idea
Speaker 3: of anybody ever breaking into the housing market. Again, when
Speaker 3: you look at other countries, you look at people like
Speaker 3: Pierre paulyev in Canada, they're making a big push for
Speaker 3: housing to get younger voters to come over to the
Speaker 3: conservative side. That's really working. When you look at the
Speaker 3: Canadian example, younger voters are turning away from Justin Castro,
Speaker 3: I mean Justin Trudeau. Sorry I always slip when I
Speaker 3: say his name there. What is the coalition going to
Speaker 3: propose on housing? Is there a plan coming that Australians
Speaker 3: can expect that might look something like that.
Speaker 11: Look, I can't speak for the College and I ever
Speaker 11: roll but a lot of this week James Albe at
Speaker 11: a High Minorship Senate inquiry that my colleague g Andrey
Speaker 11: Bragg has ticked off, and we are looking at otherwise
Speaker 11: we can do. Apart from just that Margreiston show, I
Speaker 11: think that'll be the most directed, quick thing that can
Speaker 11: be done people in the housing market. But obviously there
Speaker 11: are other things as well. One big issue with the
Speaker 11: moment is the lending requirements that have been put in
Speaker 11: place post to the global financial crisis. They're potentially affecting
Speaker 11: especially young and first home buyers a lot, so we'll
Speaker 11: be looking very closely at those in that Senate inquiry.
Speaker 11: Another big issue is the headworks charges, the local government charges,
Speaker 11: the taxes that have put on building new houses. The
Speaker 11: problem there, of course is most or if not all,
Speaker 11: of those are done at state and local levels. So
Speaker 11: how we incentivize governments to ease up on those a
Speaker 11: little bit and make the cost of building new homes
Speaker 11: cheaper will be a big important topic of that Senate
Speaker 11: inquiry as well. So I agree there's got to be
Speaker 11: more coming here. I do think that young voters are
Speaker 11: up for grabs now because despite all impressions, they're not
Speaker 11: as worried maybe as they were a few years ago
Speaker 11: about carbon emissions. They're just worried about being able to
Speaker 11: forward their own home. I'm worried about that for my kids.
Speaker 11: How much longer will I have to work to help
Speaker 11: them get into a home now? Everybody who is worried
Speaker 11: about this, it's not just people trying to get into
Speaker 11: the market, because we want to help our kids get
Speaker 11: at home as well. There's just no real solution from
Speaker 11: this gup and for that problem, and they've created a
Speaker 11: big part of the problem by opening up our.
Speaker 1: Borders in such an uncontrolled way.
Speaker 3: Well, and Sam, if you looked at the graph that
Speaker 3: I put up when I was doing my editorial, there
Speaker 3: was a point there where showed how the construction starts,
Speaker 3: the approvals, all of that have been down over the
Speaker 3: last few years. Part of that'll be COVID, part of
Speaker 3: that'll be this that.
Speaker 2: The large part of that is COVID.
Speaker 3: Well, a large part of that is COVID, but at
Speaker 3: the same time that you know.
Speaker 2: I mean the housing industry stopped for two years.
Speaker 3: Well I know though, the housing industry didn't stop because
Speaker 3: because my next door neighbor has a building company, he
Speaker 3: was out there. He was the only person I knew
Speaker 3: who could go to work. So housing start.
Speaker 12: Look at look at the rights of building completions over
Speaker 12: that time. It fell through the floor. Sure, fell through
Speaker 12: the floor the two years. That wasn't the kinder didn't
Speaker 12: shut down the building industry. No, it wasn't COVID. It
Speaker 12: was the developers thinking, oh well, no one's going to
Speaker 12: need to buy, No one's going to want to live
Speaker 12: in houses. Just look at the data. Don't don't take
Speaker 12: my word for it. Look at the data.
Speaker 1: It completely opposite.
Speaker 11: Everyone wanted a backyard, didn't I Everyone want to the
Speaker 11: back out, everyone to get out of apartments. I think
Speaker 11: definitely it's the red type and taxes that's what's killed
Speaker 11: the construction industry. And now biber parties come on on
Speaker 11: top of that and added industrial relations charges changes as well,
Speaker 11: which made it much harder for the construction sect. If
Speaker 11: we want to build new buildings, we've got to let
Speaker 11: people build new buildings.
Speaker 1: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 11: At the moment, we lower them up with red tape,
Speaker 11: we load them up with these local government taxes and charges,
Speaker 11: and then we load them up with all these labor
Speaker 11: laws which effectively give the unions to say not the
Speaker 11: actual building companies who can build houses thing actually don't
Speaker 11: build buildings. Well, building companies build bildings. We need to
Speaker 11: take the pressure off them.
Speaker 3: This is this is I think. I think you know
Speaker 3: part of what Matt says there that state that's local stuff.
Speaker 3: That's the stuff, you know. But the big issue here though,
Speaker 3: with two things I think are part of this, that
Speaker 3: the federal government has a big say it. Number one,
Speaker 3: that's our laws, and I've spoken to an awful lot
Speaker 3: of people who have smaller building companies to see they're
Speaker 3: very adversely effected by this. And number two, there's the
Speaker 3: union tax. Essentially, that's sort of the extra cost that
Speaker 3: some of these construction unions put on the cost of everything,
Speaker 3: whether it's the ETU or the CFMU. You know that
Speaker 3: it makes it more difficult to get things done. Can
Speaker 3: labor it sure, honestly take that off.
Speaker 12: If you want to get right down into the into
Speaker 12: the weeds of it, you must get in the union
Speaker 12: movement has very little coverage when it comes to residential development,
Speaker 12: very little coverage. They are in big infrastructure projects, they
Speaker 12: are in big CBD office developments. They are just generally
Speaker 12: not in suburban you know.
Speaker 11: The problem is it flows down when you, yeah, you,
Speaker 11: when you lift wages in the construction sector way beyond
Speaker 11: or conditions as well, way beyond what's sustainable, like is
Speaker 11: happening in Queensland with a ridiculous infrastructure requirements.
Speaker 1: On large products.
Speaker 11: As you say, when they get extra when they extra
Speaker 11: conditions and terms like they don't have to turn thement.
Speaker 11: It rains all this stuff that flows down through the
Speaker 11: sector as well, it adds costs for everybody because all
Speaker 11: all those builders, including a large T one, so competing
Speaker 11: for the same people in the industry. Now, look, I
Speaker 11: want to see people earn more money, and this is
Speaker 11: what the labor place are You was one of people
Speaker 11: earn money? Of course we do, but we need to
Speaker 11: have a sustainable system which can can create value for customers.
Speaker 11: At the end of the day, Well man, let's let's
Speaker 11: let's let's way bond beyond that value. We're going to
Speaker 11: get what we've got right now. Which is a choice
Speaker 11: of housing.
Speaker 3: This is the point math there's the point of what
Speaker 3: puts seventy because this is this is I think that
Speaker 3: gets to sort of a broader issue here with which
Speaker 3: is that you know, with this government people say it's
Speaker 3: not just construction, but you know, public sector employment chases
Speaker 3: out private sector employment. You know, union wages lift the
Speaker 3: cost of doing business anywhere.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 3: Refer to what is what is the answer to that
Speaker 3: is labor growing the public sector to the detriment of
Speaker 3: the private sector. Is it growing union power to the
Speaker 3: detriment of moms and dads?
Speaker 12: So sorry, one second, we're saying that it's it's uh,
Speaker 12: the SAFEU is driving up the cost of housing projects,
Speaker 12: and now it's public servants are crowding out.
Speaker 3: I don't think that it's a general sort of sense
Speaker 3: of sense.
Speaker 12: You said you wanted to speak specific Okay, specifics. They're
Speaker 12: not starting up a federal government housing company. They're not
Speaker 12: going out there and competing with the private sector to build.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: But the NDI s though, if you look at the
Speaker 3: latest employment figures, growth a different segment. Most of the
Speaker 3: most of the privates, most of the growth in jobs
Speaker 3: now is all in the public sector.
Speaker 12: So sure, but you conlating, you're conflating completely different sections
Speaker 12: of the economy. And to Matt's point about wages, I
Speaker 12: am proudly saying that this is this, This government should
Speaker 12: be about high wage growth. For the first time in
Speaker 12: I don't know my my living adult memory, we've actually
Speaker 12: got wages growth fall.
Speaker 3: Right direction, except I haven't gone out except for that,
Speaker 3: you know, Madam wants you to answer this. You because
Speaker 3: is it true though that per capita GDP in this
Speaker 3: country is going backwards and that our living standards are
Speaker 3: going backwards and there's some of the most backwards looking
Speaker 3: in the Oe City. Am I wrong about this map?
Speaker 3: Do you tell me.
Speaker 11: Per capital per capita GDP has fallen for the last
Speaker 11: six quarters. Now, that doesn't mean a lot to a
Speaker 11: lot of people. Obviously, what matters is wages what Sam
Speaker 11: was talking there. What's happened though on your real wages?
Speaker 11: So your your take home pay has gone up in
Speaker 11: dollar terms, as Sam was saying, But of course everyone knows,
Speaker 11: so has the price of everything. And so after you
Speaker 11: take into account inflation, under this labor government, we have
Speaker 11: had a record fall in real real wages. There are
Speaker 11: a six percent down. They're actually down to levels we
Speaker 11: hadn't seen since twenty eleven. So you're your real wages,
Speaker 11: just the two years of labor. I have a chance
Speaker 11: to respond here show.
Speaker 12: I've come on this show for months and had you
Speaker 12: guys claim that inflation is one hundred percent the creation
Speaker 12: of this government, completely ignoring that what was it three
Speaker 12: hundred billion dollars of inflationary spending that happened during.
Speaker 11: Toast Sam, No, you made a claim. You made a
Speaker 11: claim that people's wages going up.
Speaker 3: You're wrong.
Speaker 1: That claim was wrong.
Speaker 12: I am not saying it. And you cannot sit here
Speaker 12: and blame the light of government for inflation. That's just
Speaker 12: not true.
Speaker 3: Matt.
Speaker 2: You know that's just not true.
Speaker 3: For the record, both of you. I want to move
Speaker 3: on here, but before the record, for the record, I
Speaker 3: was opposed to all of that COVID spending too, But
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. Let's move on here. I want to
Speaker 3: talk about something else here. I want you to have
Speaker 3: a look here at this mural I'm showing you on
Speaker 3: the screen. Here, have a look at this. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know you've seen murals around your suburbs. Here, well,
Speaker 3: this one here, this mural apparently was potentially part of
Speaker 3: the reason why a gold mine was killed off in
Speaker 3: New South Wales and all of the jobs and mining
Speaker 3: royalties to New South Wales that would come with it.
Speaker 3: This is what apparently has happened with Tanya plibersk giving.
Speaker 3: This is one of the reasons for blocking a gold
Speaker 3: mine outside of Orange, and the reasons include this mural
Speaker 3: painted on a building because his presence seemingly confirms the
Speaker 3: existence of the blue banded Bee dreaming story, which means
Speaker 3: that there is aboriginal traditionary in the area and therefore
Speaker 3: the minds layout needed to be changed. Matt Canavan, can
Speaker 3: I get you very quickly on this because I want
Speaker 3: to go to Sam very quickly on this too, before
Speaker 3: we go to a break.
Speaker 11: You know, well very quickly. It's not all bad news all.
Speaker 11: It's not all bad news, James. I mean, it's given
Speaker 11: me an idea. Maybe all I need to do is build.
Speaker 11: Perhaps all I need to do is paint some murals
Speaker 11: in rock Campton of caulified pass stations, coal mines, Dames, and.
Speaker 1: I might get built.
Speaker 11: It's apparently all you need to do is whatever you
Speaker 11: paint on the side of a building this comment will do.
Speaker 1: So maybe maybe it will work. I don't know, but look,
Speaker 1: this is absurd.
Speaker 11: Going back to a previous discussion goal process at record levels,
Speaker 11: why aren't we approving things like a gold mine that
Speaker 11: would help a.
Speaker 1: Productivity, that would help boost real wages.
Speaker 11: We need to invest in things that produce stuff that
Speaker 11: creates wealth if we all want to be wealthy.
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta say, I wonder sometimes if the land
Speaker 3: the Tanya Plibersek is trying to save is not the
Speaker 3: land up in Orange but her own seat here in Sydney. Anyway,
Speaker 3: let's take a break here because coming up after the break,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have so much more to discuss on Monday
Speaker 3: Night fights here, including the new campaign launched by the
Speaker 3: Australian Republican Movement, because of course, the King is coming
Speaker 3: to town after the break. Welcome back to Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 3: Great to have your company on Monday night here. James
Speaker 3: Morrow in the man Cave filling in for Paul, and
Speaker 3: I am still joined by Sam Crosby and Matt Canavan,
Speaker 3: neither of whom I have to say got up and
Speaker 3: left after that incredible exchange we just had in the
Speaker 3: last segment. I hope you caught that. There too much
Speaker 3: fun with these guys. Now big news here Royal visit.
Speaker 3: The King is set to visit Australia this week and
Speaker 3: the aust Autralian Republican Movement well, no time like the president. Well,
Speaker 3: they've got a campaign to welcome the Royals and it
Speaker 3: is called the Farewell OS Tour and they have a
Speaker 3: new catchy ad. Let's have a look, hey.
Speaker 13: Farewell at seeing them together for the ultimate twenty three
Speaker 13: eight percent hand on.
Speaker 2: Your money, Field Strayer, a tax bio.
Speaker 13: Charles King, Kabila in consort sign mess your chance to
Speaker 13: wave goodbye to Royal?
Speaker 3: Right, wow, that was lame. Hey look, Matt Canavan, I'll
Speaker 3: start with you. Is is that sort of bit of
Speaker 3: boomerism going to stop failing falling support numbers for a republic?
Speaker 11: Well, what I think should happen here is the Australians
Speaker 11: for Constitution monarchy. And I feel Ben Well, he's a
Speaker 11: great guy. I think they should just take all their
Speaker 11: budget for the next year and give it to the
Speaker 11: Republican movement. Let them run more of these ads, because
Speaker 11: I think they're kind of doing their work for them.
Speaker 1: I mean, how would.
Speaker 11: Anyone be convinced about the merit of their cause by
Speaker 11: watching this? It would just turn people off because it
Speaker 11: is it is cringe. Let's face it, it's dying from cringe.
Speaker 11: And I mean, maybe we're starting to understand why they've
Speaker 11: had no luck here. We're seeing record support for the
Speaker 11: monarchy now, even though we thought perhaps after the very
Speaker 11: respected Queen Elizabeth I did a handover or did depart,
Speaker 11: we'd probably.
Speaker 1: See the reserve reverse.
Speaker 11: So look, if I was, if I was actually a
Speaker 11: financial contributor to the Australians for a Republic, I'd be
Speaker 11: very very angry with where my money is going.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, look, wasn't great as you suggest here, Sam,
Speaker 3: I want to ask you. Look, I mean I come
Speaker 3: at this. I'm a migrant, I'm a monarchist of American
Speaker 3: which puts me in a lot of sort of funny
Speaker 3: sort of addictions here. But that's okay. They all kind
Speaker 3: of hang together, I reckon. But I just want to
Speaker 3: put my cards on the table with that. What I
Speaker 3: want to ask you about that an American animonicist, I mean,
Speaker 3: what is that? Because I believe in institutions. Because I
Speaker 3: believe in institutions.
Speaker 1: And it was supported King George the day.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, let's not go that far.
Speaker 3: Let's not go that far. But I'll tell you if
Speaker 3: I do support King Charles the Third anyway, Let's just
Speaker 3: I want to ask you, Sam though this whole thing
Speaker 3: here where labor premiers across the country have decided to
Speaker 3: have all these sort of other engagements. Some have said
Speaker 3: right out flat they're not meeting with the King and
Speaker 3: the Queen. Others like Chrispins have said they're off washing
Speaker 3: their hair that day at a cabinet meeting. What do
Speaker 3: you make of these?
Speaker 2: What do you mean Christmins is meeting the King?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 12: I thought he was not going to one of the
Speaker 12: events anyway, Chris is absolutely on a number of different things.
Speaker 3: I stand there was one event where he was going.
Speaker 3: I stand corrected on that. However, a number of labor
Speaker 3: premiers are not going to meet the king, which I
Speaker 3: mean it's such as store, It's hit the front page
Speaker 3: of the Daily Mirror in the UK. Is that a
Speaker 3: bit gracious of some of these other premiers? And apologies
Speaker 3: to Chrismians. I hadn't realized that. So I want to
Speaker 3: go right now.
Speaker 12: Maybe he's not going to a specific event. But I
Speaker 12: know for a fact he is absolutely meeting the king.
Speaker 12: Good on him, But what about these other labers.
Speaker 2: Look, it's not great, is it?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 12: I think, I mean I speak as a as a Republican.
Speaker 12: You've got to be polite to people. I mean, he's
Speaker 12: our head of state, but he is a head of state.
Speaker 12: He is the king, and he and they are sword
Speaker 12: ministers of the crowd. Be polite, you know, turn up,
Speaker 12: be polite, be respectful, make polite, chit chat, you know,
Speaker 12: give a bow, and then you know, by all means,
Speaker 12: go and talk to the arm about their wonderful advertiser.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that's actually where they really
Speaker 3: need to have the meaning to give them a little
Speaker 3: bit of help. Hey, now, I want to talk about
Speaker 3: this phenomenal story here, and I got to tell you
Speaker 3: I've watched the clips of this like thirty forty fifty
Speaker 3: times today. This is if you look on your screen
Speaker 3: here Elon Musk's starship Rocket successfully being caught as a
Speaker 3: return from space, uh from a launch pad from which
Speaker 3: it was blasted. Just have a quick look at this
Speaker 3: here now, Sam, I want to ask you about this
Speaker 3: here because Elon Musk has become this huge hate figure
Speaker 3: on the left because he's well sure people all over
Speaker 3: the place don't like it for all times. Well whatever, five,
Speaker 3: but you gotta say, whatever, this is incredible, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: in all of the things that we see, is there
Speaker 3: a place here for us to kind of get re
Speaker 3: enchanted with the idea of human achievement?
Speaker 12: I sort of a description of that relauncher that catches
Speaker 12: being like catching an elephant with chopstick. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 12: it's that sort of size and that sort of scale.
Speaker 12: It's remarkable. Look, Elon Musk is a remarkable figure. What
Speaker 12: he has done to space travel, to to lowering the
Speaker 12: cost of space travel is genuinely remarkable. What he's done
Speaker 12: with Tesla is remarkable. What he's done with the payment
Speaker 12: systems remarkable. The guy is a tech genius. I will
Speaker 12: absolutely he deserves his place in the pantheon of of
Speaker 12: entrepreneurs and great invendors. Let's be honest, X is crap,
Speaker 12: Like he's taken over Twitter and it's crap.
Speaker 3: Oh that's only because he don't like the lefties just
Speaker 3: run the show anymore?
Speaker 12: Nudes and and like does anyone go on anymore? Like
Speaker 12: user numbers are through the floor.
Speaker 2: It's crap, come.
Speaker 3: On going all the time? That canavan, that canavan, what
Speaker 3: do you reckond.
Speaker 11: What each of their each of their each of their
Speaker 11: eye but are fantastic.
Speaker 3: But I want to just ask you that, like just
Speaker 3: this this incredible thing here. You know, we've got this
Speaker 3: situation now, private space travel companies Elon musk doing what NASA,
Speaker 3: you know, cannot do. NASA's got a ship that stranded
Speaker 3: up up in space. Boeing has got all sorts of problems.
Speaker 3: Boeing has got all these sort of diversity in equity
Speaker 3: and inclusion inditiatives, but they can't seem to, you know,
Speaker 3: make a spaceship that works in a plane that works.
Speaker 3: Is there a point here that this is sort of
Speaker 3: an example of how just simply focusing on your core
Speaker 3: business and not all the woke DEI crap is the
Speaker 3: way forward.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a very good point.
Speaker 11: I mean, ultimately, I think any business person is going
Speaker 11: to be judged on the quality of their products, and
Speaker 11: Elon's products have been remarkable for the world. Just to
Speaker 11: add one to what Sam mentioned there is Starling. It's
Speaker 11: revolutionist things in this country.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 11: When I first came to the office, as a senator,
Speaker 11: the biggest compliant I got was rural broadband. People out
Speaker 11: in the country just couldn't get internet. Now basically done
Speaker 11: get a complaint, not because the government NBN because of
Speaker 11: Elon Musk Starling. Everybody's on that. It's been a revolution
Speaker 11: in the bush in this country. And so look, I
Speaker 11: think what we should do here is separate the politics
Speaker 11: from other things people do. And the more we could
Speaker 11: do that, the better our whole society would be. I mean,
Speaker 11: I've got plenty of friends who bothe the Labor Party. Yes, fine,
Speaker 11: and get along with him, It's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: And man likewise, with Elion, I like the fact that
Speaker 11: he has these colors, these has his has his colors
Speaker 11: on his on his slave and we can all, we
Speaker 11: can all.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to then not have starlink. I mean,
Speaker 1: who care?
Speaker 3: Well, that's right, that's right. But I mean, look, we
Speaker 3: can to be poalsing and pousing with Sam Pouser, with
Speaker 3: Mat and I want to just before we go here,
Speaker 3: I want to like ask about this question and Sam,
Speaker 3: I want to give you a free kick on this
Speaker 3: here because the act greeds, Well, last week we talked
Speaker 3: about the charming candidate who compared Osama bin Laden to Jesus.
Speaker 3: Now we have another candidate, James Cruz, calling for politicians
Speaker 3: to be hanged in the street, among other charming ideas. Sam,
Speaker 3: what is going on with the Act Greeds player?
Speaker 12: I think I don't think this is limited to the ACT, No,
Speaker 12: it's not. This is any time that you get a
Speaker 12: large swathe of Green's candidates, there are these stories that
Speaker 12: emerge because this is pretty endemic in the structures of
Speaker 12: their party.
Speaker 3: Everyone.
Speaker 2: When you know, when people go.
Speaker 12: And vote Greens, they like the triangle, they like the
Speaker 12: Bob Brown, you know, the bloke that saves the forests.
Speaker 12: And that's about the extent of the thought process I
Speaker 12: think for a large chunk of their voters put into it.
Speaker 12: And then you go through what some of these candids
Speaker 12: have done and said in the past, and it's genuinely horrendous.
Speaker 12: You know, it's genuinely horrendous to say that we should
Speaker 12: be hanging up politicians in the streets. We should hang them.
Speaker 12: I mean, if this was January sixth, we'd be saying, oh,
Speaker 12: this is terrible, this is and it is terrible, but
Speaker 12: you know what's good for the goose, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I mean that, Matt. I mean this whole
Speaker 3: thing too. With the Greeds, it seems like they've got
Speaker 3: a huge problem with let's just say it, anti Semitism.
Speaker 3: There just seems to be an awful lot of pro
Speaker 3: Palestinians that veers over into being fairly adjacent to a
Speaker 3: lot of other really unpleasant things, and if it was
Speaker 3: on the rate, as Sam suggests, would be rightly called
Speaker 3: out all over the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, you have seen that.
Speaker 11: You've seen that with the likes of my colleague Marine
Speaker 11: Feruki Standard exte protesters with extremely anti Semitic slogans on
Speaker 11: the money and she posted us posted the picture to
Speaker 11: her social media and Arnie became embarrassed after it was
Speaker 11: called out. And look, really, I do think the Greens
Speaker 11: are ultimately an extremely radical political party, and in radical
Speaker 11: political movements you're going to find some pretty distasteful content from.
Speaker 1: Time to time.
Speaker 11: And what we've got to do is a better job
Speaker 11: of explaining to a large number of the disinterested voters
Speaker 11: who vote for the Greens what they're really about. I
Speaker 11: think the work that Advanced Australia are doing is excellent now,
Speaker 11: Sam and others, the Labor Party might not typically like
Speaker 11: Advance Australia, they might end up doing a.
Speaker 1: Really good thing for the Labor Party.
Speaker 11: And this is the unity I think by just pointing
Speaker 11: out that these guys really do support some very radical
Speaker 11: positions that you might not be aware of.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Matt, I love that we're gonna end
Speaker 3: this segment here on a big hug it out thing
Speaker 3: on the greens here, Sam Crosby, Matt Cadavan. Always a
Speaker 3: pleasure here to have you here on pal Murray Live. Now,
Speaker 3: stick with us because after the break, Analyst Nielsen joins
Speaker 3: me from the US, we're gonna talk about that Trump
Speaker 3: train and how fast is it leaving the station? Stick
Speaker 3: around after the break, Hey, welcome back to pal Murray Live.
Speaker 3: James Borrow here, great to have your company, and do
Speaker 3: not fret because the great Man will be back here
Speaker 3: to the ban Cave tomorrow. But before I give the
Speaker 3: keys back, I want to bring in Analyse Nielsen from
Speaker 3: the US about what's happening over there, particularly some of
Speaker 3: the latest polls in the US presidential race. I'm talking
Speaker 3: about NBC News. Their most recent poll has this tide
Speaker 3: at forty eight forty eight, which doesn't sound like much
Speaker 3: until you realize that the previous poll they took hat
Speaker 3: Harris with a five point lead. And Alas Nielsen joins
Speaker 3: me now from the battleground state of Georgia, and Lease,
Speaker 3: tell us about this pole and what's it telling you?
Speaker 14: Well, look, it's telling us that the dial's not moving
Speaker 14: in favor of the campaign that has a lot more money.
Speaker 14: Kamala Harris's recent hall is a billion dollars, and keep
Speaker 14: in mind for the Donald Trump campaign, they've raised about
Speaker 14: a third of that, and in the meantime they've had
Speaker 14: to fund messy primaries, they've had to fund his legal campaigns,
Speaker 14: and so they're coming at this from behind. And in
Speaker 14: these elections, the favor is always with the underdog. Everyone
Speaker 14: wants to be back in the underdog. They want to
Speaker 14: see momentum. And this is why this is such a
Speaker 14: critical moment because Kamala Harris has had the momentum coming
Speaker 14: in late all that joy with the campaign announcement that
Speaker 14: Biden was stepping aside. They had this new chance and
Speaker 14: it's not maintaining up until election day. So this is
Speaker 14: a really critical juncture for the Trump campaign to say, hey,
Speaker 14: look we've got momentum And the thing I keep hearing
Speaker 14: from people is they say, well, US elections are always close,
Speaker 14: They're not always close. He is an absolute knife edge.
Speaker 14: Reagan came in on an absolute landslide. America has done
Speaker 14: landslides before. And what we have really, and I can
Speaker 14: tell you from talking to voters on the ground, is
Speaker 14: people just aren't really happy with either candidate option, and
Speaker 14: so they're waiting till the last minute and they're going
Speaker 14: to pick the one they like the dislike the least.
Speaker 3: Well, let's just go into some of that palling though, too,
Speaker 3: because the real clear politics map has now flipped a
Speaker 3: couple of states here. They've gotten Vada in Michigan now
Speaker 3: going to Trump, which gives him a huge electoral college lead.
Speaker 3: Do you buy this? And do you think that these
Speaker 3: some of these swing states here? It's the internal polling.
Speaker 3: There's been reports that the Harris campaign is really quite
Speaker 3: concerned about what's happening in place like Michigan and Pennsylvania
Speaker 3: that they've got to win.
Speaker 14: Oh, look, I believe it because we're seeing the tone
Speaker 14: change watching Barack Obama. Chasta is black men for not
Speaker 14: supporting Kamla Harris because they're not feeling a woman. That
Speaker 14: is not the same tone of joy that we saw
Speaker 14: just a few weeks ago, a few months ago at
Speaker 14: the DNC. So I think that this polling is starting
Speaker 14: to spook people within the campaign and it is what
Speaker 14: we're seeing on the ground. We've only been in Georgia
Speaker 14: for one day, but we've seen we've been in North
Speaker 14: Carolina and Arizona. The enthusiasm levels are down and that's
Speaker 14: critical in a non compulsory voting system, which I will
Speaker 14: say ad nauseum because Australians always seem shocked by this.
Speaker 14: This is what really defines things is turnout. So I
Speaker 14: would believe that there is a collapse of support in
Speaker 14: Michigan in particular. They haven't done enough to assuade the
Speaker 14: Arab voters there. And just remember too that Trump voters
Speaker 14: tend to poll under. They've always to poll under in
Speaker 14: previous elections. We've seen that it's usually a few points off,
Speaker 14: so that they're working on the assumption that that's the
Speaker 14: case again.
Speaker 3: Well, and at least too, isn't the case that you know,
Speaker 3: just the way the electoral college works is for a
Speaker 3: Democrat to win on the popular vote, their popular vote
Speaker 3: has to be hired to get some of those smaller
Speaker 3: states to get the number of electoral votes that they
Speaker 3: also need. But also the other thing too, tell me
Speaker 3: if I'm wrong here. I'm getting a little bit of
Speaker 3: a twenty sixteen vibe here because back then also Trump
Speaker 3: was seemed to be doing again now many more events
Speaker 3: than Kamala Harris. I'm seeing him doing an awful lot
Speaker 3: of traveling, an awful lot of you know, getting out
Speaker 3: in front of people and doing that sort of retail politicking.
Speaker 3: There is there just a retail politicking gap between the
Speaker 3: people that Harris is getting in front of and the
Speaker 3: people that Trump is getting in front of, oh.
Speaker 14: Big time. And this is the problem that the Kamala
Speaker 14: campaign's faced is now she's avoided doing media so much
Speaker 14: and she's been so outnumbered by Trump that when she
Speaker 14: does do this week of media, the focus is intense.
Speaker 14: The scrutiny is there because people haven't heard from her,
Speaker 14: and so we're over analyzing every single little bit because
Speaker 14: we haven't had a chance to do that before. She
Speaker 14: still hasn't done a press conference. We've seen a handful
Speaker 14: from Donald Trump already in the midst of I think
Speaker 14: it was seventy eight interviews he's done since the convention,
Speaker 14: and so I think they're being outplayed on that front.
Speaker 14: And also J. D. Vance has kind of come home
Speaker 14: to roost finally for them. He's been a huge liability
Speaker 14: for the campaign for so long after the childless cat
Speaker 14: ladies comments and how he refused to back down on
Speaker 14: them was very sarcastic with it. He was seen as
Speaker 14: such an issue. Now he's a really effective attack dog.
Speaker 14: He was doing the Sunday morning shows. He really owned
Speaker 14: a lot of the narratives around immigration and outperformed Tim Walls.
Speaker 14: And so all the Republicans who backed him, including Donald
Speaker 14: Trump's closest allies his family, are saying, hey, look, this
Speaker 14: is why we picked the guy. He's really good doing
Speaker 14: this stuff and we've got the narrative back.
Speaker 3: And just on that, analyst Nilsen just very very quickly here,
Speaker 3: Tim wallts it seems like he's really losing momentum, losing
Speaker 3: altitude and is I've only had twenty seconds here, but
Speaker 3: just tell us about how his attempts to kind of
Speaker 3: win back voters to the Kamala campaign has gone.
Speaker 14: Oh man, I don't know if you have the footage there,
Speaker 14: but of him going pheasant hunting and he had trouble
Speaker 14: loading his gun. It just those are the kind of
Speaker 14: pictures that just go on loop, they go on social
Speaker 14: media and it just looks like again they've lost the momentum.
Speaker 14: Momentum is everything in these campaigns, and this has been
Speaker 14: an absolutely critical week.
Speaker 3: Annals Nielsen, thank you so much for your time here
Speaker 3: this evening been absolutely fantastic as we move forward in
Speaker 3: this campaign on a complete knife edge. But as you say,
Speaker 3: it does look at this point like the momentum is
Speaker 3: with the Trump campaign. Still a few weeks to go,
Speaker 3: so we'll see and I'll be joining you in the
Speaker 3: state soon. Thank you so much, Annalise Nielsen, and thank
Speaker 3: you so much for joining me tonight. That's it for me, PAULI.
Speaker 3: He'll be back for you tomorrow. Thank you for your
Speaker 3: company the last few days. Paul is back in the
Speaker 3: man cave right now. Stay tuned on Sky News for
Speaker 3: the late debate.