WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 14 October 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:02.080 From the Sky News Center. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.160 This is Paul Murray Live. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.559 Hello, good evening, Thanks so much, Sherry, and welcome to 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:13.160 the program. James Burrow here sitting in one more night 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:16.079 for the great Man on Paul Murray Live. But do 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.040 not fret, because guess what, We've got another huge show 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.960 for you tonight. Matt Canavan and Sam Crosby are here 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:27.280 duking it out on Monday Night Fights Plus. Just quietly, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.200 I don't want to speak too soon, but I think 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.760 it may be looking good for the Trumpster. And Alis 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:37.760 Nielsen joins me a bit later from the campaign trail 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:42.479 with some pretty interesting polling data, but we're gonna get 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.400 to that a little later on in the show Closer 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:48.040 to Home. Let's take a look at what's going on 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:53.280 here with the Prime Minister and his polling and how 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:58.760 basically well this government has let the entire country drift 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.360 for the last two and a half years while it 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:08.399 pursued its own obsessions from the Voice to climate to Palestine. Now. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:10.880 At the start of last night's program, I said that 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:16.760 for all the government's touted legislative achievements, things have gotten 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:20.560 worse for Australians on most of the key measures. People 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:25.000 actually care about. And then about half an hour after 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.319 I said that, as I was speaking to just Enter Price, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:32.280 a new news poll dropped revealing that the numbers were 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:35.840 a two party preferred basis fifty one forty nine to 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:42.080 the coalition. Boom Well. Anthony Albanezi tried his best not 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:43.959 to look too rotted about this today. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:49.520 I'm very focused on continuing the late a majority government. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.680 My government has a record that we're very proud of, 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.080 a record that's cut inflation in half. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.560 Yeah, okay, sure he can say that now, but remember 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.360 this from earlier this year. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.639 We haven't lost to go back to Nemesis, we haven't 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.280 lost in news, Paul, since I've been priming this stuff. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.600 Yeah, well, what a difference six or eight months makes, 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.320 Because it's funny. As he was talking about the ABC 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:24.680 program about the Liberals called Nemesis. In the process there, 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:29.120 he committed a great act of hubris. And I won't 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.200 be the first one to tell you that in saying 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:34.160 those words, he made a rod for his own proverbial 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:38.280 back and it was only natural things would catch up 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:41.280 to him. Look, let's take a look at where we 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.639 are now as a nation since Ethny Albanesi's labor government 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:51.560 took power. Prices have gone up by ten percent since 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.560 Labor took office and diving down into the numbers. It's 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.799 really a horror show. Food is up by eleven percent, 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.880 housing up by fifteen rent by fifteen percent, electricity up 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.760 by twenty two percent, gas by twenty five percent. Where's 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.280 your two hundred and seventy five dollars powablele cut by 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.720 the way? Healthcare up by eleven percent, education costs up 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:16.960 eleven percent, financial and insurance costs seventeen percent. At the 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:22.960 same time, population has soared, while housing construction and approval 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:28.079 starts have plummeted, worsening a housing crisis, particularly for our 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:31.880 kids and grandkids. Interest rates, of course are up, smashing 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:37.680 mortgage holders. Meanwhile, net migration has soared, the consequence of 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.520 big Australia policies which are there just to keep overall 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:46.640 GDP pumped up while our living standards go down. And 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:50.680 of course there's the whole question of social cohesion which 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:55.480 has also plummeted. Under Albanesi's watch, people have been allowed 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:59.240 to wave flags for Hezballah because labor can no longer 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:01.880 take a strong star dance in favor of Israel and 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:07.080 really properly call out the ugly virus of anti Semitism 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:12.440 that has suddenly, depressingly re emerged from the shadows. People 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:17.799 frankly are pissed. To be more accurate, they're pissed off 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.560 because they can't afford to get pissed anymore, because our 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.120 alcohol taxes are among the highest in the world this 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.919 side of Saudi Arabia. But there was actually, if you 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:32.360 can believe it, worst news for the government today and 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.479 if you picked up the News Corp tabloids you will 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:42.320 have seen this. Labor faces backlash over housing affordability crisis 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:48.320 as concerns mount over falling standards of living. Now, that 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.839 story went on to say that new polling has revealed 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.919 eighty five percent of Australians believe it is impossible or 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:59.359 they're unsure about whether a young person can break into 0:04:59.400 --> 0:05:03.359 the real est state market without family assistants. That's the 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:08.719 bankabomb and Dad, and rates of pessimism are highest. Here's 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:13.160 the real number. This Those rates of pessimism are highest 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:18.080 in electorates held by Labor. And if it wasn't bad 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.240 enough for Labor, there was this also the research by 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:27.200 Redbridge and Accent found that electorate level pessimism towards home 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:34.040 ownership and retirement strongly correlates with here we go swings 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:40.080 away from the government, especially in outer suburban and regional areas. 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:45.560 Electorates with high levels of economic pessimism include those held 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.440 by key Labor frontbenchers. We're talking about here, Home Affairs 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.920 Minister Tony Burke in Watson, Industry Ministry and Husick and Chiffley, 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:58.919 and Education Minister Jason clare in Blaxxon, all of which 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:03.880 are in westerns oh And as for Smiling Jim Chalmer 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.599 as well, his seat of Rankin has the highest number 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:12.400 of voters who do not feel confident about the retirement, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.840 sixty eight percent of people in his electorate. So I 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.200 guess it's kind of appropriate that these numbers all hit 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.880 just on the first anniversary of the Voice referendum. And 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:29.040 I'll tell you why, because I think there's a connection 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:33.839 between these two events. I think that this declining support 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:37.520 and this economic drift downwards on the other side of 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.800 this Voice debate, well, they're emblematic of the way Labor 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:46.240 came into office and what did they do. They immediately 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:51.920 set about frittering away their political capital on social causes 0:06:52.120 --> 0:06:57.120 rather than making life better for Australians. Now, let's go 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.479 back to that little clip of the seven thirty interview 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.560 I showed you before where Anthony Albani's was talking about 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:07.160 the News poll from February and get a bigger section 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:08.600 of his answer. There, have a. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:10.360 Look at the end of last year. 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.760 As I said before, you had suffered a number of reverses, 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.880 as I noted, particularly the Voice referendum. 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.800 Do you now feel that with this you have got 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:20.680 your mojo back? 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.239 I never lost it, Sarah, It's not what the pole said. Well, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.600 actually they were ahead head. We haven't lost. To go 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.240 back to nemesis, we haven't lost the News poll since 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:33.480 I've been priming and stuff. 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:39.080 Well, past is prologue, there isn't it. Look talk about clueless, 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:44.480 talk about out of touch. So what do you recond 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.880 Labor proposes to do about all this? Well, how do 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:51.720 you think they're going to go into this campaign? What 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:54.120 are you going to be the big issues they're going 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.560 to fight for? How are they going to convince Australians 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.680 that they should give them another goal, give them that 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.400 majority government that Anthony Albanezi keeps bucking up his party 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:10.680 room and saying hey we've got this. Well here's water. 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:16.320 Environment Minister Tanya Pleroseak this morning on their big bald 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:21.800 strategy to win a majority at the next election. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.360 We're focused, we're doing the right thing. It's a very 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:29.200 close it's a very close poll. And what I would 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.000 say is as as an election approaches, people remember what 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:37.280 it was like to have a liberal government. They'll remember Robodebt, 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.319 They'll remember the secret ministries, they'll remember sports roats, they'll 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.440 remember car park routs. They'll remember what it's like to 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:44.360 have a liberal government. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:52.160 This this is the big idy of folks. Sports roots, 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:56.800 car park roots, the secret ministry stuff, all of the 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:00.680 s Scott Morrison stuff. Talk about fighting the asked war. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:05.040 People are hurting out there, the cost of living is 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.440 through the roof, the society is coming a part of 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:13.400 the seams and what is Labour's plan here? They're gonna campaign, 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:18.880 They're gonna fight against Scott Morrison. I mean, the only 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.480 thing there that Taddy Plivers that didn't say is they're 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.760 gonna say, hey what about you know, I don't hold 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.960 a hose. How about some other things they could do? Well, 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.120 you know, they could do something like properly slashing immigration, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.360 or at least tilting it away from uber eats drivers 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.240 towards actual skilled workers. They could tear up the red 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.160 tape that's killing small business, especially around ir They could 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:47.640 abandon the reckless headlong quest for renewables and making it easier. Well, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.880 they could also do something about making it easier to 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.920 build a house. I don't know, just a few ideas, 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.200 but what do I know. They're gonna go with sports rots, 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.080 They're gonna go with I didn't hold a hose. They're 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:03.280 gonna go with fighting Scott Morrison. Okay, good luck to 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.560 you guys. And you know that's what they're gonna do 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:12.200 if Tony Plibersek has anything to go by. Yeah, you know, 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:17.360 I'm sure that's gonna work. Anyway, what are you gonna do? Rightio, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.640 let's go over to the USA now analyse Nielsen, as 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:23.960 I said, will be with us in a bit. But first, 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:27.960 can we have a quick chat here about JD. Vance, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:32.560 Donald Trump's vice presidential nominee. And you recall when he 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.840 was named, a lot of people doubted this pick. They thought, 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:39.199 oh gee, this guy's weird. He's got the cat lady stuff, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.320 you know, there's no way he's gonna connect. He's gonna 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.079 be a terrible performer. But I kinda say he has 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:48.640 turned out to be something of a superstar here, particularly 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:53.000 when it comes to turning the tables on established media, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.000 you know, the CNN and New York Time types and 0:10:56.280 --> 0:11:00.000 exposing what a weird bubble all those people who are 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.960 teleg Americans that they absolutely have to vote for Kamala Harrison, 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.000 Tim Walls, Well, what a strange bubble they live in. Now. 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:13.480 Several weeks ago, you'll recall the news broke that violent 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:19.439 Venezuelan gangs had taken over apartment complexes in Aurora, Colorado. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.440 This was big news, at least it was in some quarters. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.520 But check out this. I love this. Here this exchange 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:32.280 with ABC News is Martha Raddittz and JD Vance. And 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.720 check out how she tries to play it off. This 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:42.319 idea that gangs of Venezuelan migrants have taken over apartment complexes. 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:43.840 It's no big deal. 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:50.440 The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment conflex 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.839 apartment complexes, and the mayor said, our dedicated police officers 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:59.120 have acted on those concerns. A handful of problems. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.559 Only, Martha, do you hear yourself? Only a handful of 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.400 apartment complexes in America were taken over by Venezuelan gangs, 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.520 and Donald Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris's 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.079 open border. Americans are so fed up with what's going on, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:15.760 and they have every right to be. 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.360 And I really find this exchange, Martha's sort of interesting 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:23.360 because you seem to be more focused with nitpicking everything 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:27.800 that Donald Trump has said rather than acknowledging that apartment 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.160 complexes in the United States of America are being taken 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:32.560 over by violent gangs. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.240 Just a handful of apartment complexes. I mean, come on, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.880 what are people so upset about? Think of the vibrancy 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.280 and the cuisines that are being brought in by these 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:48.440 Venezuelan gangs. And I'll tell you what. Jd. Vance is 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.600 absolutely onto something there, because had those apartment complexes been 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.760 in someplace like Arlington, Virginia, next to Washington, DC, you know, 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.440 I think people like Martha Raddits would care, but there 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:03.200 were Colorado, Well what do they care about that? Inside 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:07.760 the beltwagh. Then there was this exchange with The New 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:12.040 York Times as Lulu Garcia Navarro and I think this 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:13.880 is also quite telling. And I'll play this for you 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:17.840 because it exposes all the biases for people to see. 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.400 Watch the look on Navarro's face at the end of 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:23.160 this exchange. 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:27.040 About a third of the construction workforce in this country 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.960 is Hispanic. Of those, a large portion are undocumented. So 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.600 how do you propose to build all the housing necessary 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.400 that we need in this country by removing all the 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.680 people who are working in construction. I mean, I'm not 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.400 arguing in favor of illegal immigration. I'm asking how you 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.800 would deal with the knock on effect of your proposal 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.400 to remove millions of people who work in a critical 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:47.679 part of the economy. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.000 Well, I think that what you would do is you 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.880 would take, let's say, for example, the seven million prime 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:54.920 age men who have dropped out of the labor force, 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.199 and you have a smaller number of women, but still 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.800 millions of women prime age who have dropped out of 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:04.600 the lay labor force. You you absolutely could re engage 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.199 folks into the American labor market. 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.200 This is I think to work in construction. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:10.479 Of course, you could. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.760 To work in construction. Oh my god, the horror. How icky? 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.680 Who would want to work in construction? My word? This mentality, though, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.720 of the New York Times bubble, and it's the same 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.400 thing here in Australia, by the way, is so telling, 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.160 but it's also self defeating because, as the Wall Street 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.560 Journal reported this week, guess who the new millionaire class 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:40.560 is in America. It's plumbers and skilled trainees and entrepreneurs, 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:44.000 which I gotta say must be some pretty sour news 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.480 if you're sitting around in Brooklyn or someplace like that 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.120 paying off a two hundred thousand dollars gender studies degree 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:55.760 where all you learned was to identify as a cat. Anyway, 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.920 let's move on and let's get into the conversation now. 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.720 Please to be joined here tonight the Sky News contributor 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.360 Scam Crosby right here in the man cave with me. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.400 Thanks so much, Salem, great to have you here. Ed 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:12.920 joining us from Queensland is National Senator Matt Canavan. Welcome 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.640 to you both. So I guess, really, Sam, the big 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.240 news here is this newsporol. I want to go back 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.560 to that start with you guys here, actually, Matt, let's 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:24.080 actually start with you, Matt. I want to find out 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.520 from you what's surviving the coalition? Are you guys popping 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.760 a champagne corks or are you keeping a lit on it? 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.840 Look definitely not getting ahead of anything here, James. Look, 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.080 I think we're very happy to be in a competitive position. 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:43.479 We do you think we can. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.520 Win the next election, but we are and we'll remind 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:51.800 underdogs it almost never happens that our first term government 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.800 is tossed out, so it's a very very difficult exercise. 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:56.440 We have a lot of saits we've got to win, 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.040 but we've just got to focus on what we've been 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.800 doing the last couple of years, and that is pointing 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:01.880 out at the failures of this government that seems lost, 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.280 especially since they lost the Voice last year, and we 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:08.320 do need to provide an alternative. I think Peter dunt 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.000 has done that with each policies like UK Energy. We've 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.320 got to do more of that leading up to the 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:14.600 election because I do think there's a mood for change. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:17.200 I've been here in Queensland on the first day of 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.520 voting at the state election, have been here in Serena 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:24.280 supporting Glenn Helly, the Olymp's candidate for MORAINI and definitely 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:25.960 people want change here in Queensland. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:26.240 Now. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:27.760 There are a lot of specific issues here with the 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.720 Queensland government, but some issues do hold over to the 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.200 federal level as well, and that's a high energy prices, 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.120 high cost of living and a lack of solutions on 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.040 building enough houses just for people to live in this country. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.480 Yeah, Sam, when I'll go back to that little bit 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:47.280 of played there in the editorial where Albanize he said, 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.960 and you could almost feel everybody tense up when that 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.480 first happened. You know, hey, I've never lost a newspap. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.920 That's like almost begging for that clip to be played 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.320 because it eventually is going to happen. But you know, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.240 is there a concerned in labor that maybe too much 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:05.240 has time has been spent on things like the Voice 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.280 coming into government and not enough on putting the mark 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.920 on you know, practical things for people, like economic things, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:13.560 that sort of thing. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.119 Look, I think that was a year ago when the 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:17.040 Voice was lost. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.239 I think there was a lot of soul searching in 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.199 our team of people thinking, you know, what do we 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.640 just spend the last year doing. I got to say, 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.320 I think for the last couple of months, I think 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.880 they have been shaping up to be a lot more 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.879 election election ready, you know, I mean Matt made the 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:37.800 point that it's it's very hard for first term governments 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:40.640 to lose or to change. I think that's ultimately because 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.679 the Australian people are fair and they look at it 0:17:42.720 --> 0:17:45.520 and they say, well, is three years really long enough 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.240 to do all the things you said you did and whatnot? 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.480 Or do you deserve to go round again? 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.639 And I think generally speaking, even though people, yes, I 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.919 agree this poll is not a good news for Labor, 0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.600 but I think generally speaking, people will look at it 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.639 when they go to vote and they'll think, has the 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.879 Liberal Party changed sufficiently so that the party that I 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.080 kicked out three years ago? 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:07.399 Are they happy? You know? 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.680 Are they ready to be brought back in now? And 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.400 has the current government done enough to be re elected? 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.600 My general vibe is they, you know, in the next 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:17.240 six months or three months or how long we've got 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.359 to go. I think my general vibe is yeah, I 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.320 think you're going to see a re elected Labor government. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:21.920 Yeah. 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.840 But I mean that's sort of James basically basically their 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.600 re election pitch. The re election pitch is going to be, Look, 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:30.440 we might be pretty crap, but we're not as bad 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.760 as the skull and government on the depression. That's that's 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.960 going to be their pitch. Like I mean, that was 0:18:35.960 --> 0:18:37.800 a pretty like I like, Sam. I think it does 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.000 a good job with hard materials at times. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.959 But they haven't got a lot to rest on. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.399 If all they're saying is, look, we're still better than 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.879 the other team are in a very vulnerable position because 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:49.280 they really haven't delivered much. 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.040 They haven't delivered on their promises. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:50.840 To that. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:56.719 In our country's history. 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:58.919 Gentlemen, let me just put this to you. Let me 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.480 just take what matters there, Sam, and put this to 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:06.520 you here. You know, if the proposition is that Australians 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.720 generally return a government for a second term, and you 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.640 see people like Tanny Pleusk out there saying, hey, look, 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.159 you know it's all about the sports wars. People remember 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:18.800 how bad things were. But that's not really a recipe 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.320 for saying, you know, here's something positive. 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.879 Pro am absolutely absolutely, and maybe what are we going 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:24.080 to do? 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:27.160 Sure? Sure, And that shouldn't be the campaign that Labour 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:27.520 runs on. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:28.800 I couldn't agree with you more. 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:30.959 They're going to need to outline what they're going to 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:32.960 do for the second term. And you know I've been 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:34.760 saying for the last I don't know, four or five 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:38.119 years of coming on this show, it needs to be housing, housing, housing, housing, 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.159 that's got to be the centerpiece of it. But to 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:45.520 Matt's point that he made in his opening salvo, you know, okay, 0:19:45.720 --> 0:19:49.080 nuclear power, you've released a two page document on nuclear power. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:50.680 What else? You know? 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:54.520 What else is the is the opposition proposing makes them 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:55.760 worthy of having. 0:19:58.640 --> 0:19:59.560 I'm happy to take that up. 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.080 Look, obviously we'll have a lot more policies to come 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.560 before the next election. But another thing we've identified is 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.959 up to ninety billion dollars of savings this government has 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:10.800 racked up, including a massive green spending boon, doggles which 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.200 are not working, like hydrogen, just wasting your money, adding 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:17.639 to inflation, the the employing thirty thousand public. 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:18.920 Servants in two years extra. 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.639 These are extra public service, costing up to nearly seven 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.360 billion dollars a year on the payroll, growing every year. 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:26.639 We've identified those savings because the most important thing to 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.160 do right now is to cut the cost of living 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:31.159 for people, and a big way to do that is 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:32.159 to cut government spending. 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:33.160 So that's another policy. 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.679 Another policy is to bring migration down to around one 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.160 hundred and sixty thousand a year net migration, it's sitting 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:41.879 at five hundred thousand right now, more than double what 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.119 we normally take in. That has obviously added to the 0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.840 housing challenges and pressures we've got. We've got a serious 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.719 plan to bring that down and create space for Australians 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:51.840 first to have a roof over their head. So they're 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.480 just a few, I think they're pretty major policies. Obviously, 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:55.919 letting you have an next election, there'll be more to 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:56.879 come as well. 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:58.840 Yeah, but I mean, Matt, it's just on that though. 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:00.800 You know one thing that we've seen and actually to 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.720 both of you guys, those numbers here that we heard 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.800 about earlier when I was speaking about the numbers about 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.959 people just being completely disheartened and depressed about their idea 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.320 of anybody ever breaking into the housing market. Again, when 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:15.280 you look at other countries, you look at people like 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:19.639 Pierre paulyev in Canada, they're making a big push for 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:22.919 housing to get younger voters to come over to the 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:26.399 conservative side. That's really working. When you look at the 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:30.520 Canadian example, younger voters are turning away from Justin Castro, 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.720 I mean Justin Trudeau. Sorry I always slip when I 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.320 say his name there. What is the coalition going to 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:40.040 propose on housing? Is there a plan coming that Australians 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.240 can expect that might look something like that. 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.199 Look, I can't speak for the College and I ever 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.120 roll but a lot of this week James Albe at 0:21:49.119 --> 0:21:52.200 a High Minorship Senate inquiry that my colleague g Andrey 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.320 Bragg has ticked off, and we are looking at otherwise 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:57.280 we can do. Apart from just that Margreiston show, I 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.280 think that'll be the most directed, quick thing that can 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.679 be done people in the housing market. But obviously there 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.840 are other things as well. One big issue with the 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:05.639 moment is the lending requirements that have been put in 0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:09.080 place post to the global financial crisis. They're potentially affecting 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:11.640 especially young and first home buyers a lot, so we'll 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:14.600 be looking very closely at those in that Senate inquiry. 0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.399 Another big issue is the headworks charges, the local government charges, 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.639 the taxes that have put on building new houses. The 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:22.439 problem there, of course is most or if not all, 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:24.600 of those are done at state and local levels. So 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:27.480 how we incentivize governments to ease up on those a 0:22:27.480 --> 0:22:29.359