Speaker 1: Lately.
Speaker 2: Welcomely to the Late Blase Loo.
Speaker 3: Good evening and thanks for joining us on the Late Debate.
Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and back from her
Speaker 3: week in London.
Speaker 1: Liz Storer, Liz.
Speaker 4: How let go?
Speaker 1: You're at the art conference? I was tell us about it?
Speaker 1: What was the het?
Speaker 4: You was absolutely fabulous.
Speaker 5: Being from Sky News, it was like catching up with
Speaker 5: a pile of friends because we've had half The speakers
Speaker 5: were more than half, i'd say, on Sky News airwaves
Speaker 5: for many years now, so it was kind of like
Speaker 5: a family reunion.
Speaker 1: To be honest, there are some great speakers.
Speaker 3: Before we get into the night's news, just give us
Speaker 3: the highlights.
Speaker 1: Who did you really enjoy?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, that would be hard.
Speaker 5: But for me personally, it was Nigel Farage, just because
Speaker 5: personally he is someone who just exudes authenticity.
Speaker 4: At ARC, you've got a lot of the born to rule.
Speaker 5: Types, which well I call them that because they kind
Speaker 5: of are. But on a personal level, Nigel is someone
Speaker 5: that here's authenticity. He's down to earthners. He had the
Speaker 5: audience laughing more than anybody else, just because he is
Speaker 5: who he is and he stands for what he stands
Speaker 5: for and obviously being in the UK and speaking as
Speaker 5: the leader of the Reform.
Speaker 4: Party, he had everyone on the edge of his.
Speaker 5: Seat because you're quite possibly listening to the next Rome.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and he knows how to give a stab speech,
Speaker 6: does not Oh yeah, baraj And he actually said it
Speaker 6: his sixtieth birthday party that he was the only bloke
Speaker 6: on gb News who does his show without auto Q
Speaker 6: because it's a bit hard to read when you're half pissed.
Speaker 1: Very good.
Speaker 3: Well, on that note, let's get into tonight's program. We
Speaker 3: all know that Donald Trump does not miss when taking
Speaker 3: potshots at his opponents. Wait until you see his latest
Speaker 3: meme taking aim at slackers within the public service.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Plus, we'll get to what's making news tomorrow, including more
Speaker 3: revelations from Tony Burke's citizenship extravaganza and the cost of
Speaker 3: living crisis doesn't seem to be affecting people in our
Speaker 3: national capital. Wait until you hear what the paper as
Speaker 3: a reporting public servants are spending on furniture. All of
Speaker 3: that when we look at tomorrow's news. But first, dignitaries
Speaker 3: gathered this week just gone in Darwin for the commemoration
Speaker 3: of the eighty third anniversary of the bombing of Darwin.
Speaker 3: Japanese bombs rained down on that city, killing two hundred
Speaker 3: and three thirty Australians and wounding four hundred. So it's
Speaker 3: a pretty important anniversary. And it began predictably, like landing
Speaker 3: a jet on Virgin Airways at Sydney Airport with a
Speaker 3: welcome to country. They're welcome to country went fully five minutes.
Speaker 3: You can imagine what that was like for people sitting
Speaker 3: in the Darwin sun. And then after that, well every
Speaker 3: guest speaker knew exactly what was expected of them.
Speaker 7: Jana nelivid no Niji respect, gelimerg and Billy Lira Daoba Nari.
Speaker 2: I give our.
Speaker 7: Respect to the Laroche of people, elders, men and women,
Speaker 7: to all first nations custodians present. I also pay my respect.
Speaker 5: Can I acknowledge the Larakaia people and pay my respects
Speaker 5: to their elders past and present?
Speaker 3: And I acknowledge also, of course the Larakaa people whose
Speaker 3: soil it also was if the adversary had succeeded or.
Speaker 6: Was lost, like to acknowledge the Larakaa people, the nutritional
Speaker 6: liners of the land on which we meet.
Speaker 8: We meet in Larrakia.
Speaker 3: Kadri and James, thank you very much for your welcome country,
Speaker 3: and I shee quite a few friends from the Larrakia people.
Speaker 8: Bila Bara, good to see you.
Speaker 3: Seven speakers in a row all felt the need to
Speaker 3: acknowledge local Indigenous people before they spoke about what they
Speaker 3: were there to commemorate. But then, like a cool breeze
Speaker 3: on a hot Northern Territory summer's day, the Chief Minister,
Speaker 3: Leo Leah Finocchiaro goot up to the podium and she spoke.
Speaker 9: I'd like to pay special acknowledgment to the veterans here today,
Speaker 9: to territorians, to serving men and women, to the families
Speaker 9: and descendants of survivors, ladies and gentlemen, but also importantly
Speaker 9: to our children well.
Speaker 3: Q outrage Labor MP Manuel Brown said the Chief Minister's
Speaker 3: failure to acknowledge Indigenous people was quote very concerning concerning
Speaker 3: how what was he worried was going to happen? What's
Speaker 3: he afraid of not to be outdone. Local indigenous elder
Speaker 3: Richard Fedjoe Senior told local media that the Chief Minister's
Speaker 3: o mission of acknowledgment of country was quote disgraceful. I
Speaker 3: kind of think that if you have to divide Australians
Speaker 3: into black and white at every public ceremony, that's kind
Speaker 3: of disgraceful and very concerning. But to the Chief Minister's credit,
Speaker 3: she did not take a backward step in the.
Speaker 1: Face of criticism.
Speaker 3: She told media and I quote, I'm proud to have
Speaker 3: acknowledged veterans at the bombing of Darwin, and as Chief Minister,
Speaker 3: I represent all Territorians. There is absolutely no need for
Speaker 3: every speaker at an event to do an acknowledgment of country.
Speaker 3: And in fact, the repetition that people are so used
Speaker 3: to under labor is less impactful. Caleb, she won the
Speaker 3: election last year, but when she's up for reelection, I'll
Speaker 3: tell you what, she's got my vote just on that.
Speaker 6: Well, though, you'll have to move to the Northern Territory first,
Speaker 6: but I look forward to you going through.
Speaker 2: With that promise so you can go and actually vote
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 6: But it's what she says at the end of that
Speaker 6: sentence that the repetition has made it less impactful, which
Speaker 6: is what I've been saying for so long that you know,
Speaker 6: if you had an occasional welcome to country performed by
Speaker 6: an Indigenous person at a major event, we'd all sort
Speaker 6: of move on and not particularly give a rats about it.
Speaker 6: But it gets shoved down your throat everywhere you go,
Speaker 6: and it's not good enough to have it once, You've
Speaker 6: got to have it twice, three times for seven times
Speaker 6: in this case, right.
Speaker 2: And I've felt this for years that you.
Speaker 6: Know, you have an acknowledgment at the beginning of an
Speaker 6: event whatever, but then everyone gets up afterwards and feels.
Speaker 2: Like they need to say it. Well, the acknowledgment has
Speaker 2: been done.
Speaker 6: I mean it's implicit in that acknowledgment having been done
Speaker 6: that everyone agrees that we've now acknowledged the people who
Speaker 6: are in the room, or perhaps not even in the room.
Speaker 6: You don't need to all do it. And the reason
Speaker 6: they all do it is not because they actually mean it,
Speaker 6: but because it has become the pro form a thing
Speaker 6: that you do when you get up to speak.
Speaker 2: And so if you're only.
Speaker 6: Doing it because it's expected of you, it literally means nothing.
Speaker 6: It's not an acknowledgment of Indigenous people. It's an acknowledgment
Speaker 6: of the fact that you are expected to acknowledge the
Speaker 6: Indigenous people. I mean, it's almost like rote learning. You
Speaker 6: just haven't see it into your brain. And then every
Speaker 6: time you now, if I speak.
Speaker 4: I'm and I add my respect.
Speaker 2: So there's no point. There is absolutely no point to it.
Speaker 4: Get over yourself.
Speaker 5: You don't have to add yours, just not while the
Speaker 5: first person does it, and call it quits. They had
Speaker 5: exactly the same situation.
Speaker 4: This years ago.
Speaker 5: I went to an ANZAC dawn service at Willara Council.
Speaker 5: Name and shame, baby, you guys ask for it, exact
Speaker 5: same thing. Every single person that.
Speaker 4: Morning wasn't about the ANZACs.
Speaker 5: It was about pain, respects, pain, respects, paying respect for
Speaker 5: crying out loud. I was ready to scream. This was
Speaker 5: before the days. I just started audibly booing people right.
Speaker 5: And here's the thing. It's at the particular events that matters,
Speaker 5: because what it is doing is detracting from the actual purpose.
Speaker 4: Of the gathering.
Speaker 5: You may have heard, if you're watching the Anti Semitism Summit,
Speaker 5: an audible grown when Drayfus got up and decided it
Speaker 5: was a good idea that it was an appropriate.
Speaker 4: Setting to do a welcome to country. No, it's not.
Speaker 5: You are co opting somebody else's worthy cause for your
Speaker 5: own little hobby horse.
Speaker 4: It is inappropriate.
Speaker 5: And when we talk about the Battle of Darwen, we
Speaker 5: are talking about to this day, the nineteenth of February
Speaker 5: nineteen forty two. We are talking about the singus biggest
Speaker 5: attack on Australian soil by a foreign power. The japsent
Speaker 5: two hundred and forty two aircraft in two separate attacks
Speaker 5: that bombed the port of Darwin to smither greens. Thirty
Speaker 5: of our aircraft went up in frames. Eleven of our
Speaker 5: ships were sunk. And this was of course during World
Speaker 5: War two, to make sure the Allies couldn't use it
Speaker 5: as a base anymore. Ports are very important. We know
Speaker 5: that what winds, wars, logistics, and nothing is more important
Speaker 5: than a port during wartime. So this is an important day.
Speaker 5: It is as sacred as Anzac Day, Memorial Day. And
Speaker 5: as you said, six out of the seven speakers waste
Speaker 5: time making it about like what we're on stolen land.
Speaker 5: For crying out loud, We were trying to defend it.
Speaker 6: Stop on the Japanese Joyce's point, you reckon, they would
Speaker 6: have cared about the local indigenous.
Speaker 5: I mean boom for crying out loud, Just boom when
Speaker 5: we are trying to commemorate, celebrate, recognize people who gave
Speaker 5: their lives for our freedom, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And so on.
Speaker 5: These kind of important events have no time for the
Speaker 5: people that try and co opt it with this nonsense.
Speaker 5: Maybe if it's NDoc week, there's a time and a place.
Speaker 4: This ain't it to shut up?
Speaker 3: This episode, though, proves why everybody does it, because the
Speaker 3: one person who does not do it, that's all.
Speaker 1: You hear about.
Speaker 3: We don't know anything about what the Chief Minister spoke about.
Speaker 3: In fact, we probably would have forgotten this event was
Speaker 3: on had it not been for the fact that she
Speaker 3: neglected to perform. And perform is such a great word
Speaker 3: because it is performativenowledgement our country. It's amazing how this
Speaker 3: has become compulsory in just a few short years. I remember,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I guess it was fifteen twenty years ago,
Speaker 3: working for an organization. They were holding a big conference
Speaker 3: and they were debating should we do an acknowledgment of
Speaker 3: country for the first time?
Speaker 1: The question once upon it was a question should And
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 3: And I was ahead of my time. I sat at
Speaker 3: the desk and I said, just be aware if we
Speaker 3: do this once next year. If we decide not to
Speaker 3: do it, how will that go down? And of course
Speaker 3: now they have to do it every single year because
Speaker 3: the moment you don't, it's disgraceful.
Speaker 1: It's very concerning your erasis.
Speaker 6: And a maid of mine is on the board of
Speaker 6: an investment outfit and he was asked at their agem
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago to give an acknowledgment of
Speaker 6: country before he spoke to their investors, and he said,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to do that. He said, who do
Speaker 6: you think.
Speaker 2: Our investors are?
Speaker 6: You know, largely older Australians, mostly conservative people, and you
Speaker 6: want me to stand up in front of them and
Speaker 6: give an acknowledgment of country?
Speaker 1: Is it that?
Speaker 6: He's absolut ridiculous And so we didn't do it, and
Speaker 6: that's what we need to do.
Speaker 2: We need to push back.
Speaker 6: It's okay to not have to specifically point out other people.
Speaker 6: And that's where the jig is up because they say,
Speaker 6: you know, indigenous manage. So it's a disgrace that I
Speaker 6: was not specifically talked about in that speech. Well what
Speaker 6: about every other person who lives in the Northern territory?
Speaker 6: They want special treatment? That's the point, Yeah, of all.
Speaker 5: The premiers, I mean she's the chief minister, but same
Speaker 5: thing if you're talking about the Northern Territory, of all
Speaker 5: the premiers Australia wide, to actually stand up to this
Speaker 5: virtues seedling nonsense, it's the chief Minister in the Northern
Speaker 5: Territory saying that I've had enough.
Speaker 4: To Germany now, where.
Speaker 5: They've just had their federal election and tell you it's
Speaker 5: a meal over there. They've got six hundred and thirty
Speaker 5: people in their Bundestag, which is their federal parliament. So
Speaker 5: unlike cass we've just got one hundred and fifty one
Speaker 5: in the House of Reps, seventy six in the Senate.
Speaker 4: These guys, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 5: But as we knew would happen, the Conservatives have come
Speaker 5: out massively on top. The Christian Democrats have gotten almost
Speaker 5: thirty percent of the vote. But here's the thing. They
Speaker 5: don't have enough to majority rule. They've got to now
Speaker 5: cobble together a coalition in order to rule. So you'd
Speaker 5: ask yourself, okay, what seems like the best thing to
Speaker 5: do at the moment. The former ruling party, the SPD,
Speaker 5: they won by such a landslide. They posted their worst
Speaker 5: results since World War Two. Talk about a historical defeat.
Speaker 5: You've gone from being the ruling party to losing so badly.
Speaker 5: They are now in tatters. So you'd think that the
Speaker 5: now ruling party, the CDU, would go, well, who came second,
Speaker 5: They seem like the best bet to form a coalition
Speaker 5: with and now rule. And in Germany, who came second
Speaker 5: was the AfD with about twenty.
Speaker 4: Percent of the vote.
Speaker 5: Now together they would form a very comprehensive parliament.
Speaker 4: And while the CDU is sent to right.
Speaker 5: And the AfD is considered far right, I just say
Speaker 5: they're legends, but it's a matter of opinion. The CDU
Speaker 5: is refusing. They said they will form a coalition with
Speaker 5: the party who literally just lost by a landslide before
Speaker 5: they even consider partnering up with the AfD.
Speaker 4: What a slap in the face to the German people.
Speaker 4: So the ruling.
Speaker 5: Party that has just been tossed out the window posted
Speaker 5: their worst results since World War Two. They have just
Speaker 5: been tossed out so comprehensively. And now the guys that
Speaker 5: did get up with almost thirty percent of the voter
Speaker 5: saying we're going to pony up with these guys. I mean,
Speaker 5: Germans must have their head in their hands right now.
Speaker 5: This election had eighty four percent participation rate. They don't
Speaker 5: have mandatory voting over there. Eighty four percent participation rate,
Speaker 5: which is the higher since nineteen ninety, which was the
Speaker 5: reunification of Germany. So everyone was like, let's get on board,
Speaker 5: let's get to the ballot box. Germans want to see
Speaker 5: drastic change in their country, most noticeably on immigration, that's
Speaker 5: no secret. And the CDU prior to this election, we're
Speaker 5: trying to tighten up the immigration laws. But they got
Speaker 5: newke by the SPD and the Greens, so now they're
Speaker 5: in power and they're like, we're going to team up
Speaker 5: with the SPD. I would be screaming my lungs out
Speaker 5: if I was German right now.
Speaker 3: It's amazing how the AfD that's the alternative for Germany,
Speaker 3: have been characterized as far right when really their key
Speaker 3: policies are they not. They want to be free of
Speaker 3: the European Union. Yes, Germans doesn't run their own country
Speaker 3: rather than be told by Brussels what to do. And
Speaker 3: they want to crack down on illegal immigration and particularly
Speaker 3: asylum seekers who are in Germany committing crimes. They have
Speaker 3: stabbings almost every week. There's been terrorism recently, and that's
Speaker 3: not an uncommon thing. Now, those wouldn't seem to be
Speaker 3: far right. And for people to say, well, you know,
Speaker 3: Germany's moved far right, I would argue, no, German leaders
Speaker 3: have moved away from representing Germans, and Germans simply want
Speaker 3: their country back.
Speaker 1: If that's far right, I think a lot.
Speaker 3: Of people not just in Germany but in western countries
Speaker 3: right around the world would consider themselves the same.
Speaker 5: In the Netherlands, Kayler, people were voting for geart builders.
Speaker 5: We heard the same in France when they were voting
Speaker 5: fully penned, they're all they're far right. Absolutely, Oh disgusting,
Speaker 5: it's nonsense.
Speaker 2: Well o F.
Speaker 6: Schultz who is currently the chancellor, and Liz was just
Speaker 6: telling you about how well he did last time and
Speaker 6: how bad he did this time. He's put it quite
Speaker 6: six sinkly before I carry on, take a look at this.
Speaker 8: The last time the election result was better and I
Speaker 8: was partly responsible for that, and this time the result
Speaker 8: is bad and I am responsible for that as well,
Speaker 8: and I want to say that. But what's important for
Speaker 8: me to say from this position is to congratulate the
Speaker 8: cd U, c s U and their chancellor, candidate Frederick Mertz,
Speaker 8: and congratulations on your election result, and.
Speaker 6: He mentions merge. There he he is saying we've won
Speaker 6: this election.
Speaker 8: We have won this election. I'd also like to say
Speaker 8: a word of respect for political opponents. Yes, the electoral
Speaker 8: campaign has been it's been necessary when it came to
Speaker 8: debates to really focus upon the many important issues facing us,
Speaker 8: the economy, foreign security policy, migration of internal security. But
Speaker 8: now we're going to speak to each other and as
Speaker 8: soon as possible we need to get a viable government together.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: As for why the cd you wouldn't join up with
Speaker 6: the AfD, I think it's got a bit of the
Speaker 6: whiffs of what may will happen in the UK between
Speaker 6: the Tories and Reform about it, where existing political powers
Speaker 6: don't want to seed ground to a rising rebel power
Speaker 6: that could well come in and take their power away
Speaker 6: from them, so they say, okay, well, instead of letting
Speaker 6: them in, what we'll do is actually marry up with
Speaker 6: who are essentially our ideological enemies in.
Speaker 2: Order to protect ourselves.
Speaker 6: Why would you not say, okay, these are the people
Speaker 6: who perhaps We don't agree with them one hundred percent,
Speaker 6: but we agree with them a.
Speaker 2: Lot more than we agree with this mob over here.
Speaker 6: And sure they're rebels and they've come through and they've
Speaker 6: taken ground from the rest of us whatever, but that's
Speaker 6: where the future is going. And if it's all good
Speaker 6: and will to say, okay, well, we're not going to
Speaker 6: do it this time, or form a government with someone else.
Speaker 6: But I think in the long term you'll be punished
Speaker 6: for that in the same way that if the Tories
Speaker 6: don't wake up to themselves and go, okay.
Speaker 2: If we are in union with the Reform.
Speaker 6: Party, we've got a much better chance of a continuing
Speaker 6: to exist and b creating a government than that can
Speaker 6: defeat labor in the UK.
Speaker 2: Surely that is a good thing.
Speaker 6: Why would the CD you not go, well, let's join
Speaker 6: up with closer ideological mates to achieve better INDs for
Speaker 6: our country.
Speaker 5: And it's so shortsighted because and the same will happen
Speaker 5: if the Tories don't come to their senses in the
Speaker 5: UK is because.
Speaker 4: In three short years.
Speaker 5: Their AfD have doubled their share of the vote. They
Speaker 5: went from ten percent to twenty percent. Because people can
Speaker 5: see the decline of Germany at a rate of knots,
Speaker 5: and they want these people, though they're smeared as radicals,
Speaker 5: to turn the country around. Now you've got the CDU
Speaker 5: who were slapping them in the face.
Speaker 4: Should they just pony up with their SPD.
Speaker 5: People are going to get more of the same, okay.
Speaker 5: And so by the next federal election in Germany, as
Speaker 5: the AfD have already tweeted, because the writings on the wall,
Speaker 5: you won't partner with us. Come the next federal election,
Speaker 5: we are going to wipe the floor with you, as
Speaker 5: we did at the state elections, which is why Chancellor Schultz,
Speaker 5: Chancellor no More, called this snap election. He put up
Speaker 5: a vote of confidence knowing it would lose in order
Speaker 5: to call this snap election. That's how bad things had gotten.
Speaker 5: He was his own party had fallen together, the coalition
Speaker 5: that he had put together had fallen apart, and he
Speaker 5: was left.
Speaker 4: With no option but.
Speaker 5: To basically put up a motion of no confidence in
Speaker 5: himself called this snap election. So the AfD, noting how
Speaker 5: well they've done in the polls and seeing the writing
Speaker 5: on the wall and the state election, which is what
Speaker 5: caused this kerfuffle in the first place and just saying, fine,
Speaker 5: you don't pony up with us.
Speaker 4: You wait.
Speaker 5: Come the next federal election, Germany will be begging for
Speaker 5: us and we will answer the court.
Speaker 3: The other interesting thing about this is the Christian Democrats
Speaker 3: have won the election with twenty nine percent, but I
Speaker 3: believe that's the first time they've ever got less than
Speaker 3: thirty percent. So they've won the election, but I mean
Speaker 3: winning with a declining primary vote, and maybe the reason
Speaker 3: is because they're considering partnering with the Socialist Party who
Speaker 3: were just voted out, which is this conservative light that
Speaker 3: people around the western world are so frustrated with. To
Speaker 3: your point, in the UK, that's exactly the problem with
Speaker 3: the Tories, that they were conservative lights.
Speaker 1: In Australia, we're going to have the same issue.
Speaker 3: And if you don't want to well, far right parties
Speaker 3: will then take care of things like sovereign borders, take
Speaker 3: care of things life, listening to the will of the
Speaker 3: people rather than trying to please globalists. It's not difficult
Speaker 3: to head off the far right if you simply look
Speaker 3: after your constituency. Governments haven't been doing that. And one
Speaker 3: final point, the AfD you said they doubled their vote in.
Speaker 1: Just three years. Absolutely true.
Speaker 3: But I mean they only began in twenty thirteen, so
Speaker 3: in twelve years they've gone from not existing to having
Speaker 3: twenty percent of the primary vote. Shows just how much
Speaker 3: anger there is in countries like Germany about what's been
Speaker 3: allowed to happen under left wing progressive government.
Speaker 6: And it's anger at the people who've allowed that to
Speaker 6: happen for years and years and years and years and years.
Speaker 6: It's the same reason that Albanezi his government was elected
Speaker 6: with the lowest ever primary vote for a government in Australia,
Speaker 6: because there is declining confidence in those major parties because
Speaker 6: people can see in front of them.
Speaker 2: What's happened to them.
Speaker 6: But I've got to say, how good is the German language?
Speaker 6: Like I love that their parliament is the Bundestag.
Speaker 2: Mean, where else in the world do you get the
Speaker 2: kind of language you get out of the Germans.
Speaker 3: But those two guys the least charismatic I know politicians.
Speaker 2: Where was the German hood spa you normally get out
Speaker 2: of them? I better get up and go.
Speaker 6: And it's such a violent language in so many ways
Speaker 6: you would have thought perfect for being a politician.
Speaker 5: Having that calm interpreter steals from it make it.
Speaker 6: Look like you've got some passion when you're just saying, well,
Speaker 6: I went down to the shops today. Let's go over
Speaker 6: to the UK, which of course we're talking a little
Speaker 6: bit about before we brought you the story a few
Speaker 6: weeks ago that the Starma government in the UK was
Speaker 6: basically telling Apple that they had to hand over the
Speaker 6: data of all of their customers. They asked for a
Speaker 6: backdoor into the iCloud system that would allow the UK
Speaker 6: government to literally look at everything that you were storing
Speaker 6: in the cloud, photos, documents, ie messages, et cetera. The
Speaker 6: government would be able, with no questions asked to go
Speaker 6: in and look at anyone's data at any time. Now, Apple,
Speaker 6: to their credit, said we're not so sure about that.
Speaker 6: So they've come up with a workaround which has now
Speaker 6: come through in the UK, which is, instead of giving
Speaker 6: the government the back door that they wanted, which would
Speaker 6: have presumably given them access to your data in Australia
Speaker 6: or the US or wherever you might be as well,
Speaker 6: they have decided to end proper end to end encryption
Speaker 6: in the UK. So if you're in the UK and
Speaker 6: you're using an Apple product. You can no longer have
Speaker 6: proper end to end encryption, which means if the government
Speaker 6: wants to get access to your data, they can do so,
Speaker 6: but they have to go to Apple and ask for
Speaker 6: permission to do that, because if it's into end encrypted,
Speaker 6: it means not even Apple can access it. But this
Speaker 6: was a major plank of the product that Apple was offering,
Speaker 6: that you had absolute security of your messages and your
Speaker 6: photos and your data, etc. And no one else would
Speaker 6: be able to access it. Then mister government comes knocking
Speaker 6: and says, no, I don't like that. Now I can
Speaker 6: underst and like governments may not like that because of
Speaker 6: course it makes it harder to fight crime. But you've
Speaker 6: got to think long term with these things. Today it's
Speaker 6: because you want to stop pedophiles. Tomorrow it's because you've
Speaker 6: got a social credit system and we've got a backdoor
Speaker 6: into all of your data and we want to know
Speaker 6: whether you're saying bad things about the government. Good on
Speaker 6: Apple for not going the whole hog here and allowing
Speaker 6: them to have it. Elon Musk said on his platform
Speaker 6: mix that it would have happened in America if Donald
Speaker 6: Trump had not won, and to be honest, I wouldn't
Speaker 6: be surprised by that at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, we talked about this a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2: The precedent it would.
Speaker 6: Set if the UK was able to get that level
Speaker 6: of access, because you can bet your bottom dollar, every
Speaker 6: other government would start asking for it. But the worst
Speaker 6: part of this is that we know that Apple has
Speaker 6: done this, but we don't actually know entirely why they've
Speaker 6: done it, because under the UK law, it is illegal
Speaker 6: for Apple to even talk about the fact that the
Speaker 6: govern came to them and asked for a backdoor into
Speaker 6: people's data.
Speaker 3: It is in such and that's the part that screams
Speaker 3: sinister right that even the government requesting this power has
Speaker 3: to be kept top secret. That should ring alarm bells everywhere.
Speaker 3: It's an amazing thing where Apple have withdrawn a product
Speaker 3: from the market rather than comply with a government request.
Speaker 1: And I suppose they had to.
Speaker 3: Firstly, for the reason you said that this would set
Speaker 3: an incredible precedent, not just in the UK but around
Speaker 3: the world, and not just for Apple but for all
Speaker 3: tech companies. But second, this is asking Apple to absolutely
Speaker 3: destroy their integrity with customers that they would offer end
Speaker 3: to end encryption, but then secretly comply with a government
Speaker 3: regulation requiring end to end encryption to be disclosed to government.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, hats off to Apple for doing this in
Speaker 5: order to keep their integrity basically.
Speaker 4: And trying to make a way around.
Speaker 5: This order in such a way that also that it's.
Speaker 4: Only exclusive to the UK.
Speaker 5: What the UK government was essentially demanding was all.
Speaker 4: Access to any data in the iCloud.
Speaker 5: So we're talking your text, your photos, your voice, memos,
Speaker 5: absolutely everything on your device and what's not on your device.
Speaker 5: If I have access to what is on your phone,
Speaker 5: I know exactly who you are, what your priorities are,
Speaker 5: what you google, what you spend your time looking at.
Speaker 5: I know what kind of toilet paper you buy. Because
Speaker 5: I have access to your bank codes, I have access
Speaker 5: to everything. So what the UK was asking for was
Speaker 5: this ultimate power to have access not just to the
Speaker 5: UK users data, but worldwide.
Speaker 4: So again, what Apple's pulled off here.
Speaker 5: Is saying okay, we've had to ditch end to end encryption,
Speaker 5: and to read their posts about this as well, they
Speaker 5: are so sorry. They are legitimately saying, hey, look, we
Speaker 5: fought as hard as we could. This is what we
Speaker 5: eventually came up with. But this is the best we
Speaker 5: can do by you. But it's UK users only. Everybody
Speaker 5: else's end to end encryption is still in tact, so
Speaker 5: it's it's a win for Apple, but everyone in the
Speaker 5: UK should be switched onto this because even if this
Speaker 5: failed completely, this is what I say about when our
Speaker 5: government puts up their misinformation disinformation bill.
Speaker 4: They've shown their hand.
Speaker 5: You know what they wanted if they could get it.
Speaker 5: You know what they tried on okay, and so UK
Speaker 5: uses now no, that is the extent to which this
Speaker 5: tyrannical government wanted to do this. Michael Schellenberger, a regular
Speaker 5: on Sky He tweeted today the UK seems like a
Speaker 5: free nation.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 5: It's run by a tyrant Prime Minister Kirs Starmer. Shame
Speaker 5: on him for his totalitarian demand and bravo to Apple
Speaker 5: CEO Tim Cook for defying the government. Please share this
Speaker 5: to warn the world that UK is no longer safe
Speaker 5: for free people.
Speaker 4: And sorry to say, but is he wrong?
Speaker 1: I don't think he's wrong.
Speaker 3: But while the UK government can't get access to people's
Speaker 3: encrypted data, seems like we might get access to Jeffrey
Speaker 3: Epstein's client list. Here's Trump's attorney general Pam BONDI have
Speaker 3: a listened.
Speaker 10: The DOJ maybe releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
Speaker 4: Will that really happen.
Speaker 10: It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
Speaker 10: been a directive by President Trump.
Speaker 4: I'm reviewing that.
Speaker 10: I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the
Speaker 10: process of being reviewed because that was done at the
Speaker 10: directive of the president from all of these agencies. So
Speaker 10: so have you seen anything that you said, Oh, my gosh,
Speaker 10: not yet. I was briefed on that yesterday. I can't
Speaker 10: talk about that that publicly, but you know, President Trump
Speaker 10: is given a very strong directive and that's going to
Speaker 10: be followed.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, so a lot of documents. Yeah, all right, so
Speaker 2: people can expect actual movement on this.
Speaker 1: It's not just empty promises.
Speaker 10: Donald Trump doesn't make empty promise, right, I think. I
Speaker 10: think promises made promises, Captain. That's why we're all there
Speaker 10: to carry out his directive about making America safe and prosperous.
Speaker 3: A lot of people very excited about this list being
Speaker 3: made public. Although when I was fifteen years old, there
Speaker 3: was a TV special beamed.
Speaker 1: Right around the world.
Speaker 3: El Capone's secret vault was exploded open live on television.
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty one stations broadcasted. You know what
Speaker 3: they found in his vault? Some dirt and some empty
Speaker 3: whiskey bottles and that was it. So I don't know
Speaker 3: the I thine thing could be a bust anti time.
Speaker 6: Why do you think the bloke just magically died in prison.
Speaker 6: I don't think it was because he had some empty
Speaker 6: whiskey bottles of dirt in a vault somewhere. I think
Speaker 6: the bloat knew a lot, and that's why, of course
Speaker 6: they don't want this to come out. There must be
Speaker 6: people in the US, actually not in the US, all
Speaker 6: over the world, and I don't thinking about some people
Speaker 6: in the UK who we know have been linked to
Speaker 6: mister Epstein that would be looking for a new set
Speaker 6: of underwear at the thought that this list will be revealed,
Speaker 6: because we're talking about people who are associated with Epstein
Speaker 6: of course before he was convicted, but also long after
Speaker 6: he was convicted, Prince Andrew being one of them who
Speaker 6: was seen publicly with him after he was convicted.
Speaker 2: There is a.
Speaker 6: List, as long as you're arm, which hopefully we will
Speaker 6: see of the people who associated with a man by
Speaker 6: going to his private island on his plane, where he
Speaker 6: would entertain them, and the ways he would entertain them.
Speaker 6: I suppose we may well find out. We certainly know
Speaker 6: what he was up to on that island with his
Speaker 6: mate Gulain Maxwell. But these are some of the most
Speaker 6: powerful and richest people in the world. We need to
Speaker 6: see this list. We want to see this list because
Speaker 6: it's going to lead to some very uncomfortable questions. I
Speaker 6: suspect data that has been released though out of South
Speaker 6: Australia which has led to a stroke of common sense,
Speaker 6: would you believe it is exactly how bad the youth
Speaker 6: crime crisis is there. Of course we talk a lot
Speaker 6: about Victoria, we talk a lot about Queensland, but South
Speaker 6: Australia is in the grips of a youth crime crisis
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 2: Data that the Advertiser collected under.
Speaker 6: Freedom of information shows that nearly twenty five thousand children
Speaker 6: or teenagers were charged with a crime over the past
Speaker 6: five financial years, and so thank Heavens, Peter Malanawskis, the Premier,
Speaker 6: has personally vetoed plans to increase the age of criminal responsibility.
Speaker 6: Of course, the age of criminal responsibility at the moment
Speaker 6: is ten. There was a report done last year that
Speaker 6: suggested it should be raised to twelve. He has not
Speaker 6: that on the head in acknowledgment of what is going
Speaker 6: on at the moment. Good on him, but I suppose
Speaker 6: we should also ask the question what about Victoria, because
Speaker 6: they are raising the age of criminal responsibility from ten
Speaker 6: to twelve. There was then meant to be another increase
Speaker 6: to fourteen by twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Cindra Allen seems you've gone a.
Speaker 6: Bit cold on that now given the youth crime crisis
Speaker 6: she is facing. But the fact remains that they are
Speaker 6: increasing it to twelve. You've got a labor government in
Speaker 6: South Australia that says no, that's not tenable, but one
Speaker 6: in Victoria.
Speaker 2: That arguably has a worth you were sorry.
Speaker 6: Youth crime crisis, that thinks it's okay to increase the
Speaker 6: age of criminal responsibility as if a ten year old.
Speaker 6: And we're talking about here thirty children aged ten to eleven
Speaker 6: or twelve who were charged with sexual offenses.
Speaker 2: Which is shocking.
Speaker 6: But you can't me that tell me that a teen
Speaker 6: year old doesn't understand the basics of what is right
Speaker 6: or wrong.
Speaker 2: By ten, you know what is right.
Speaker 6: Or wrong, and if you are committing a crime that
Speaker 6: deserves to be charged and taken off to the youth court,
Speaker 6: then ten to eleven twelve, who cares you should be
Speaker 6: facing a court.
Speaker 1: It's a really good point.
Speaker 3: Anybody who's raised kids knows very well eighteen ten year
Speaker 3: old has a very good understanding of what is right
Speaker 3: and what is wrong. It might not be nuanced, but
Speaker 3: they know what's right and what's wrong. The other thing
Speaker 3: about this that I find hilarious is that you've got
Speaker 3: these left leaning governments in Victoria in South Australia who
Speaker 3: in the Act, who keep wanting to raise the age
Speaker 3: of criminal responsibility, and yet very much in favor of
Speaker 3: children being able to elect to have a sex change
Speaker 3: and take puberty blockers. So they can't tell the difference
Speaker 3: between right and wrong, but they do know they've been
Speaker 3: born into the wrong body.
Speaker 1: That's just an astonishing leap of logic.
Speaker 3: And of course, with these figures released Caleb, there's no
Speaker 3: way that they could carry through with raising the age
Speaker 3: of criminal responsibility when you've got data showing twenty five
Speaker 3: thousand kids committing serious crimes over just the last five years.
Speaker 3: You can't have that data and then say we're going
Speaker 3: to raise the age and then have the Attorney General,
Speaker 3: as he did today, say we won't tolerate groups of
Speaker 3: young people committing violent acts and putting the community at risk. Well,
Speaker 3: you can't have it both ways, so they've got to
Speaker 3: leave it at ten. In South Australia and Victoria, if
Speaker 3: they were smart, wouldn't go through.
Speaker 5: Well, it doesn't make sense for DEVI eight, does it.
Speaker 5: It's like a COVID thing. All the science wildly difference
Speaker 5: between states. Look either a ten year old nos or
Speaker 5: it doesn't, and therefore any state or territory that raises
Speaker 5: it that is a nonsense. Whenever this comes up, I'm
Speaker 5: reminded of the tragic case of James Boulger. It was
Speaker 5: a toddler who was murdered in cold blood by two
Speaker 5: ten year old boys in the UK. I believe it
Speaker 5: was in the eighties, but I'm always reminded of that case.
Speaker 5: Those boys knew exactly what they were doing, and this
Speaker 5: whole idea that kids don't and that they could carry
Speaker 5: out a heenous crime, oh, unbeknownst to me that it
Speaker 5: was wrong, is just factually incorrect.
Speaker 4: It's like asking us to deny that men are men
Speaker 4: and women are women.
Speaker 5: Oh, a ten year old doesn't know single ten year
Speaker 5: old who isn't aware at that stage that sexually assaulting
Speaker 5: someone like you say, insane amount of these assaults are
Speaker 5: sexual in nature, which begs the question, what are these
Speaker 5: kids being exposed to online on their TVs? This is
Speaker 5: a case of monkey see, monkey do. No child is
Speaker 5: actually like, Oh, I.
Speaker 4: Know what sexual assault is and I'm going to carry
Speaker 4: it out. No.
Speaker 5: No, they've seen something, They've heard something they've been exposed to.
Speaker 4: Their little minds have.
Speaker 5: Been exposed to something they shouldn't have been.
Speaker 4: And they're carrying it out.
Speaker 5: You could say the same of the boys responsible for
Speaker 5: James Bulger's death.
Speaker 4: But it makes absolutely no sense.
Speaker 5: I'm glad it's been trashed in essay and every other
Speaker 5: state has all the data they need to go.
Speaker 4: This is fogus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to go to a break.
Speaker 3: When we come back, we look at what's making news tomorrow,
Speaker 3: including fresh revelations about Tony Burks citizenship extravaganza that's coming up.
Speaker 1: In the moment. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow. Okay,
Speaker 3: we've got the Daily Telegraph.
Speaker 2: Indeed I do.
Speaker 6: And what an indication of how far we've fallen from
Speaker 6: the biff we used to see on the footing field.
Speaker 6: It says on the front of tomorrow's Daily Telegraph that
Speaker 6: a couple of Canberra Raiders players are over in Vegas
Speaker 6: had a bust up with inflatable bats.
Speaker 2: Yes, you heard that right, inflatable bats. Sounds like five.
Speaker 2: They've been disciplined for that. Apparently.
Speaker 6: I don't know when I did that stuff as a kid.
Speaker 6: My parents were just glad I didn't have my fists out.
Speaker 6: But the other story on the front of the Daily
Speaker 6: Telegraph says Burt gave his own window. Home Affairs Minister
Speaker 6: Toney Burke directed his department to schedule industrial scale citizenship
Speaker 6: ceremonies during a window when he was available to personally
Speaker 6: preside over almost thirteen thousand people becoming Australians. Well well, well,
Speaker 6: the Home Affairs Secretary made the admission in a heated
Speaker 6: Senate Estimates hearing as a fresh war of words exploded
Speaker 6: over mister Book's citizenship bonanza, and the Teley goes on
Speaker 6: to say that they've looked at the data on where
Speaker 6: all these people came from who were sworn in over
Speaker 6: the weekend as Australian citizens, and almost all of them
Speaker 6: come from marginal seats.
Speaker 2: Happy it isn't that funny.
Speaker 6: And of course we heard today about how d Lee
Speaker 6: was not invited the member Independent Member for Fowler was
Speaker 6: not invited to any of these ceremonies, but the Labor
Speaker 6: candidate for Fowler was a number of other Labor MPs
Speaker 6: were invited along. But they said to die that she
Speaker 6: wasn't invited because it wasn't held in her electorate. But
Speaker 6: all these MPs came from outside of They came from
Speaker 6: their electorates to go to Home Bush. You know, you
Speaker 6: couldn't get any more blatant. And then they're putting up
Speaker 6: videos from the AEC instructing people on how to go
Speaker 6: and enroll for vote.
Speaker 2: Like you couldn't make it any clear.
Speaker 3: I thought the Albanizi government didn't care about citizenship ceremonies,
Speaker 3: didn't They say.
Speaker 1: To local goals as as you don't.
Speaker 3: Do it on Australia, just don't do it on the
Speaker 3: twenty six or whatever you want.
Speaker 2: It's up to you.
Speaker 3: You have the power to all of a sudden. They're
Speaker 3: seizing control and saying we will do it. This is
Speaker 3: not surprising at all that Tony Burker organized this when
Speaker 3: he was in town.
Speaker 1: In fact, he.
Speaker 3: Took three days off and he's got a pretty big portfolio.
Speaker 1: I must say them to have a.
Speaker 3: Spare three days to be an Olympic park shaking hands
Speaker 3: of new voters.
Speaker 5: Indeed, although I always laugh when people get really upset
Speaker 5: about this stuff, like Peter or people reporting it like
Speaker 5: really stern face, like isn't this They all do it? Okay,
Speaker 5: I hate to tell you your team does it too.
Speaker 5: It's like branch stacking, it's like pork barreling.
Speaker 4: They all do it.
Speaker 5: We love to bash labor and it's not our team.
Speaker 5: We love to bash the other guys. But don't think
Speaker 5: for a second the Libs don't get up too. Similar
Speaker 5: to the punk prage of the Herald Sun now wrong
Speaker 5: Track exclusive, Victorians reject SRL, ranking it last behind airport, rail, housing,
Speaker 5: and none of the above as state's priority project. The
Speaker 5: Allen government signature suburban rail loop project has been ranked
Speaker 5: last by Victorian voters in a new poll of most
Speaker 5: urgent state projects. Just sixteen percent of voters back to
Speaker 5: the multi billion dollar SRL, compared with thirty six percent
Speaker 5: who said the Melbourne Airport rail should be a priority.
Speaker 5: So support for it's at an all time low and
Speaker 5: this is costing them billion.
Speaker 3: The surprise to me in this story is that only
Speaker 3: thirty six percent of Victorians say that a rail link from.
Speaker 1: The airport to the city is important.
Speaker 3: I would have thought it would be a lot more
Speaker 3: people than that trying to catch an uber or a
Speaker 3: taxi from Melbourne Airport, or you've got that skybus which
Speaker 3: you get a lecture on the way into the city
Speaker 3: telling you that you're on land that has never been seeded.
Speaker 1: You compare that with Sydney. When you arrive at the airport.
Speaker 3: Here you get straight on the train or the metro
Speaker 3: as easy as you could imagine. Only thirty six percent
Speaker 3: of Melbournians think they need a rail line from the.
Speaker 6: APAs to it now and it's maybe the same when
Speaker 6: it is it's the same in Brizzy.
Speaker 2: You can get straight on the on the train there same.
Speaker 5: When he throw can I say jumped on the train?
Speaker 5: He throw half an hour straight off.
Speaker 4: And into the terminal. It was incredible that.
Speaker 6: You go the international city that is Melbourne Hey and
Speaker 6: the suburban rail loop. I think the original cost was
Speaker 6: what thirty four billion and then it would be another
Speaker 6: fifty billion to run it over the first fifty years.
Speaker 6: A billion dollars a year to run this thing. How
Speaker 6: sixteen percent of Victorians wanted? I mean, could you find
Speaker 6: a bigger waste of money?
Speaker 3: You know the funny thing when you mentioned the cost
Speaker 3: of the suburban rail link, you go googling trying to
Speaker 3: find what does that cost again?
Speaker 1: And you have to trawl through so many ucs. It
Speaker 1: keeps changing up.
Speaker 3: Stated just when you think you know, but there's been
Speaker 3: a cost flow out.
Speaker 4: Now it's there.
Speaker 1: Let's go to the front page of the Newcastle Herald.
Speaker 3: Really sad story much loved fishermen had shark online when
Speaker 3: pulled overboard police say shark dragged man over and I
Speaker 3: guess that's why it makes front page. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: a sad story when anyone drowns, but the factor shark
Speaker 3: was involved. And curiously, there's not the suggestion that he
Speaker 3: was eaten by the shark. He was just dragged into
Speaker 3: the water by the shark. Fast moving currents have hampered
Speaker 3: the search for the missing fisherman believed to have been
Speaker 3: dragged overboard by a shark off Port Stevens. He was
Speaker 3: involved in a game fishing tournament when he apparently hooked
Speaker 3: a shark on Sunday.
Speaker 1: The fishing gear.
Speaker 3: Became tangled around him and he got dragged into the
Speaker 3: water and his body has not been found. So really
Speaker 3: sad story in a really strange way to.
Speaker 1: Die.
Speaker 5: I do love the way that Ozzie's rally in these
Speaker 5: situations though, so because of the currents, the search area
Speaker 5: has blown out to fifteen hundred nautical miles that's very big,
Speaker 5: and forty boats of just everyday Puntz have joined the police,
Speaker 5: spreading out trying to cover every inch of it to
Speaker 5: find him, but no success.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I always think in these cases, what must go through
Speaker 6: your mind when you see that coming, Because of course,
Speaker 6: if you've been dragged overboard and you're all tangled up
Speaker 6: in your line like you know something's about to happen,
Speaker 6: it's not like you just got hit like a bus
Speaker 6: like that all over and you don't really remember, like
Speaker 6: you've actually got to face the fact, then you're probably
Speaker 6: about to die.
Speaker 2: I just being more terrifying than that.
Speaker 6: Let's go to the front of The Australian Tomorrow, where
Speaker 6: a funny story law firm staff.
Speaker 2: Fury at email pay leaks. You may have seen a
Speaker 2: bit of this over the weekend, but we have a development.
Speaker 6: Legal giant Slater in Gordon has been forced to set
Speaker 6: up a formal process to deal with angry staff who
Speaker 6: have been able to compare their pay and performance ratings
Speaker 6: with those of their colleagues thanks to a quote unquote
Speaker 6: malicious email the firm suspects was sent by a disgruntled
Speaker 6: current or former employee. The top ranking class action firm
Speaker 6: has called in police and foreign experts to investigate the
Speaker 6: origins of the email, purportedly sent by interim Chief People
Speaker 6: Officer Marie Ruitz Matheson, But of course missus ruitz Matheson
Speaker 6: on Monday said that she didn't send it and claimed
Speaker 6: that a cursory examination of the email and its attachment
Speaker 6: gave a clear indication as to the likely identity of
Speaker 6: the sender.
Speaker 2: On and on it goes.
Speaker 1: I don't think it.
Speaker 6: Particularly matters at this point who sent the email. The
Speaker 6: fact remains that everyone and Slater in Gordon now knows
Speaker 6: what everyone else is earning and what their.
Speaker 5: Performance All nine hundred and six.
Speaker 6: Can you imagine what their weekends would have been like,
Speaker 6: the phone calls, the text messages.
Speaker 2: The emails flying around.
Speaker 6: It's possibly like the worst thing from an HR perspective,
Speaker 6: that could ever happen in a workplace.
Speaker 4: What a way to leave?
Speaker 1: Where to go to a break? When we come back?
Speaker 3: Donald Trump's latest meme about the public service slacking off
Speaker 3: does not miss will show you that in just a second.
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: One of the things that amazes me, Liz about Donald
Speaker 3: Trump is that he can do so much. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's making all these executive orders, but.
Speaker 1: He's still got time to tweet memes.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's the new language of the future. If you
Speaker 5: don't know how to treat means, are you a world leader?
Speaker 4: You would have heard that DOGE is.
Speaker 5: Going through the federal employees books, booting as many people
Speaker 5: as they possibly can, in some cases closing down entire department.
Speaker 5: Seventy seven thousand federal employees have to date accept a
Speaker 5: Doge's offer just to be bought out. You'll get eight
Speaker 5: weeks pay. They're literally paying you to leave. And so
Speaker 5: Elin muss issues and new edicts to those remainings, saying
Speaker 5: explain what you did in your line of work, in
Speaker 5: your department. Explain what value you brought to the table
Speaker 5: over the last week. This, of course, sparked incredible fury
Speaker 5: amongst federal employees who are convinced that they do earn
Speaker 5: their dollars.
Speaker 4: Which was cut short.
Speaker 5: By Trump's meme which he said to truth social list
Speaker 5: of there's a picture of SpongeBob SquarePants. If you're not
Speaker 5: familiar with him, what have you been doing with your wives?
Speaker 5: But there's a list saying got done last week, parodying
Speaker 5: what these federal employees would then be forced to hand
Speaker 5: to Elon Musk. Point one cried about Trump, point two
Speaker 5: cried about Elon. Three made it into the office for once,
Speaker 5: four read some emails, five cried about Trump, and Elon
Speaker 5: some more so. While the conservatives are laughing about this
Speaker 5: and the Trump administration and Doge is enjoying every minute,
Speaker 5: Elon Musk has in fact tweeted that if he doesn't
Speaker 5: hear back from these employees justifying their existence in the
Speaker 5: employee of the government, he will.
Speaker 4: Assume that they too have resigned.
Speaker 2: And they're all.
Speaker 1: Crying about this.
Speaker 3: But Trump won an election promising to cut waste. You'd
Speaker 3: think if you were a manager in the pub service,
Speaker 3: you would have implemented a productivity component to justify your existence.
Speaker 2: Two things I wonder about.
Speaker 6: One, when Richard Dawkins coined the word meme to talk
Speaker 6: about genetics, did he ever think it would end up
Speaker 6: becoming an engineered joke? And two, In the Art of
Speaker 6: the Surge, which is a great documentary looking at the
Speaker 6: inside of the Trump campaign for the presidency the second
Speaker 6: time round, he's often shown directly dictating to aids what
Speaker 6: to post on social media. I want to know if
Speaker 6: Trump actually came up with this himself and read it
Speaker 6: out to someone and said make the SpongeBob meme and put.
Speaker 2: It I reckon.
Speaker 1: I probably did.
Speaker 3: That's all we've got time for tonight stick around.
Speaker 1: Coming up is The Reader Penney Show. Good Night,