WEBVTT - Tougher gun laws are coming

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<v Speaker 1>Today's biggest news from The Australian. I'm Claire Harvey with

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<v Speaker 1>the Front's afternoon headlines. The true magnitude of the Bondai

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<v Speaker 1>Beach anti Semitic massacre is becoming clear, with fifteen people

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<v Speaker 1>now confirmed murdered, including a ten year old girl, an

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven year old Holocaust survivor and two rabbis. Anthony

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<v Speaker 1>Alberinezi says Tougher gun laws are coming, with National Cabinet

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<v Speaker 1>meeting on Monday afternoon to forge a national response to

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<v Speaker 1>the worst mass murder since the nineteen ninety six port

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<v Speaker 1>Arpa massacre.

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<v Speaker 2>Tougher gun laws, including limits are on the number of

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<v Speaker 2>guns that can be used or licensed by individuals, a

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<v Speaker 2>review of licenses over a period of time. People's circumstances change,

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<v Speaker 2>people can be radicalized over a period of time. Licenses

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<v Speaker 2>should not be in perpetuity and checks of course, making

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<v Speaker 2>sure that those checks and balances are in place as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We will task I'll take to National Cabinet this afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>a proposal to empower agencies to examine what can be

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<v Speaker 2>done in this area. One of the things that is

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<v Speaker 2>coming through though, is that the community want to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to express their support and solidarity, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>urge and join with others who have urged the strains

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<v Speaker 2>across the country to light a candle put it in

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<v Speaker 2>their front window tonight at six forty seven pm to

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<v Speaker 2>show that light will indeed defeat darkness, part of what

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<v Speaker 2>Harnaka celebrates, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>The alleged gunmen have been revealed as father and son,

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<v Speaker 1>Sajed Akrim fifty and his son Navide Akram twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Sajed a crime was shot dead by police at the

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<v Speaker 1>scene after being dismed by a member of the public.

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<v Speaker 3>Forty three year old.

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<v Speaker 1>Shopkeeper Ahmed al Ahmed, who also suffered injuries during the massacre.

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<v Speaker 1>A cousin of mister Alahmed, jose al khanj said he

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<v Speaker 1>owned a tobacco shop and came to Australia from Idlib

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<v Speaker 1>in Syria. Mister Alahmed is still in hospital recovering from

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<v Speaker 1>injuries to his arm. Police say the dead man's son,

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<v Speaker 1>alleged shooter Navid Akram, is in a serious but stable

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<v Speaker 1>condition under police guard in hospital. Intelligence agencies are pursuing

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<v Speaker 1>possible links between the men and terror group Islamic State

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<v Speaker 1>and say that Navid Akram was on Azio's radar in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen. Here's Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got full support, full support for our security agencies

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<v Speaker 4>and part of making sure that they can do their

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<v Speaker 4>job is making sure that information is brought out in

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<v Speaker 4>the way in which we are doing it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there other family members being investigated? Do you have

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<v Speaker 1>any concerns about the other family members?

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<v Speaker 4>Links to the support social security agencies and unauthorizing you

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<v Speaker 4>for the information which I have given you.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's anti Semitism on void. Gillian Siegel has told the

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<v Speaker 1>Australian chance of globalized the INTERFATA heard everywhere from the

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<v Speaker 1>Mardi Gras parade to university campuses and street protests, has

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<v Speaker 1>come true in the mass murder of innocent Jewish people

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<v Speaker 1>celebrating Harneker. Police say they believe the weapons used in

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<v Speaker 1>the attack were legally obtained hunting rifles. Sajid Akram had

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<v Speaker 1>licenses for six firearms, and police say they believe they

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<v Speaker 1>have recovered all those weapons. This story's moving fast and

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<v Speaker 1>we are updating live at the Australian dot com dot au.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel is accusing Australia of having failed to properly fight antisemitism,

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<v Speaker 1>and as new scrutiny today on how the federal government

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<v Speaker 1>handled the aftermath of Hermas's October seven, twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>terror attack on Israel and the way pro Palestinian marches,

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<v Speaker 1>encampments and protests have amplified anti Israel sentiment. The Australian's

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<v Speaker 1>Political editor, Jeff Chambers asked Anthony Albanesi a question at

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<v Speaker 1>his press conference on Sunday night that has since gone viral.

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<v Speaker 1>So I asked Jeff to talk us through where the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister goes from here. First, let's hear Jeff Chambers

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<v Speaker 1>and Anthony Albanesi at that press conference.

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<v Speaker 5>Our left up checked anti Semitism leads to terrorism and

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<v Speaker 5>violence targeting the innocent. Your government has come under criticism

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<v Speaker 5>in claiming that it has effectively responded to the rise

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<v Speaker 5>of antisemitism in Australia since Oktober seven, twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 5>In September, your government recognized a Palestinian state. Your ministers

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<v Speaker 5>have attacked the Israeli government, SEGA ministers refused to visit

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<v Speaker 5>the sites of the October seven massacres, and you created

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<v Speaker 5>a special Islamophobia Envoy alongside an anti semitism some envoid

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<v Speaker 5>Have you taken the threat of anti semitism seriously and

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<v Speaker 5>can you guarantee the safety of Jewish Australians.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, we have taken it seriously and we've continued to act.

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<v Speaker 6>We've continued to work with Jewish community leaders, We've continued

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<v Speaker 6>to take all the advice from the security agencies to

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<v Speaker 6>put in place special measures and will continue to do so.

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<v Speaker 3>What did you make of his response?

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<v Speaker 7>The reason I felt compelled to ask that question is

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<v Speaker 7>he has described this massacre event in Bondi as an

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<v Speaker 7>anti Semitic terror attack and to invoke that word is

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<v Speaker 7>very triggering for the Jewish Australian community who have been

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<v Speaker 7>distraught and felt that Anthony Obneasy in his government since

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<v Speaker 7>October seven, twenty twenty three, have not done nearly enough

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<v Speaker 7>to actually address the scourge, the poison that issue, and

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<v Speaker 7>they are living their lives in fear. It would be

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<v Speaker 7>remiss of any journalist to not ask the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 7>the question, why haven't you done more? And what are

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<v Speaker 7>you going to do about it? And how do you

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<v Speaker 7>guarantee their safety? And I've got a very very brief response.

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<v Speaker 7>It's obviously a very big event. He has gone to

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<v Speaker 7>Sydney immediately. He went to Sydney straight after the press conference.

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<v Speaker 7>He was out with the police and Chris Min's first

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<v Speaker 7>thing on Monday. And now we're going to see a

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<v Speaker 7>flurry of meetings. Federal Cabinet meeting, an NSC meeting that

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<v Speaker 7>he'll chair, and then a National Cabinet meeting, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 7>by the end of today we will see some of

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<v Speaker 7>these recommendations that Gillian Siegel, the government's own anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 7>envoy who gave them her report in July this year,

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<v Speaker 7>that they will finally action some of those today.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the community concerns about the response.

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<v Speaker 1>To Jillian Siegel's report is the fact that the government

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't acted on many of those recommendations, suggested that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing was a whitewash anyway. They're similarly annoyed about

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that at the same time as appointing her,

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<v Speaker 1>the government announced that they would appoint an void to

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<v Speaker 1>tackle Islamophobia, when that had not raised its head as

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<v Speaker 1>a serious issue on Australian soil in the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 1>October seven. Do you think the Prime Minister gets that

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<v Speaker 1>now and is going to change the way he handles

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<v Speaker 1>his response to her recommendations.

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<v Speaker 7>This is our biggest fatality since the Port Arthur massacre

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<v Speaker 7>in nineteen ninety six. It's happened in the heart of

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<v Speaker 7>Sydney Bondai Beach. This is a big global story. We're

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<v Speaker 7>hearing now from world leaders, a lot of our allies

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<v Speaker 7>that we need to do more in anti Semitism. The

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<v Speaker 7>message will be received loud and clearly. The question remains,

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<v Speaker 7>why has it taken so long? Since October seven, we've

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<v Speaker 7>seen a pretty soft response to what happened over there

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<v Speaker 7>in Israel. We had that Sydney Opera House protest which

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<v Speaker 7>should never have occurred, and then there's just been this

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<v Speaker 7>run of you know, whether it's a protest across Sydney

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<v Speaker 7>Harbor Bridge where they're holding up signs of terrorists, politicians

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<v Speaker 7>lining up there, whether it was cabinet ministers and ministers

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<v Speaker 7>in the Albanesi government accusing the Israeli government of war crimes.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, there's a very big argument that Australia has

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<v Speaker 7>no role to play in the Middle East. That is

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<v Speaker 7>just not a sphere of influence that we have any

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<v Speaker 7>impact on, which always brought everyone back to the political

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<v Speaker 7>lens that the Albenese government saw things through. And before

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<v Speaker 7>the May three election, we go back last year, things

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<v Speaker 7>were looking pretty tight. They were behind in the polls,

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<v Speaker 7>and Labor hold a lot of very large Muslim Australian

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<v Speaker 7>seats in Sydney and Melbourne, and so much of what

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<v Speaker 7>was being announced, or the equivocation or conflating one thing

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<v Speaker 7>with another, it was all being seen through that political lens.

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<v Speaker 7>So we had a lot of money being allocated for

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<v Speaker 7>Palestinian causes, a lot of visas, and then they win

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<v Speaker 7>that election. I guess there was this feeling, which is

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<v Speaker 7>just insane, that the issue had gone away, and they

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<v Speaker 7>march on to recognize Palestine with no conditions, one of

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<v Speaker 7>the first movers to do that at the UN this year.

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<v Speaker 7>But this issue never went away. And when you contrast

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<v Speaker 7>anti Semitic incidents in this country to Islamophobic incidents, that

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<v Speaker 7>doesn't even come close.

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<v Speaker 1>There were two ways that the government could have interpreted

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<v Speaker 1>that May election result, particularly in those western Sydney seats.

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<v Speaker 3>One was well, we've done all the right things.

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<v Speaker 1>Those voters have not punished us for being too close

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<v Speaker 1>to Israel because we've done all this talking about recognizing Palestine.

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<v Speaker 1>The other way to interpret it was that Australian voters

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<v Speaker 1>did not believe that Islamophobia and antisemitism were equal. Australian

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<v Speaker 1>voters actually supported Israel more than perhaps the labor government

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<v Speaker 1>might have thought that they did. What was the interpretation

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<v Speaker 1>the government put on it, and how did that feed

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<v Speaker 1>into their subsequent decision to do that recognition of Palestine.

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<v Speaker 7>The election, at the end of the day wasn't one

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<v Speaker 7>on these issues. Different types of labor people might say

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<v Speaker 7>depending on the area that they're in, that had an influence,

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<v Speaker 7>but at the end of the day it didn't, And

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<v Speaker 7>it was a misread to think that they could then

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<v Speaker 7>press ahead and allow these hate preachers or his book

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<v Speaker 7>Toreers of the World to continue to not go after

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<v Speaker 7>these people, to put Neo Nazis up there with Sunni

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<v Speaker 7>Islamic terrorists who have a track record of conducting these

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<v Speaker 7>types of mass casualty events. So I think it was

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<v Speaker 7>a complete misread. But then even at a more granular

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<v Speaker 7>level in society, whether it was on our university campuses,

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<v Speaker 7>these mass protests that still occurred even after we recognized

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<v Speaker 7>Palestine from the river to the Sea, which means the

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<v Speaker 7>abolishment of a Jewish state, so it was hot rehtoric.

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<v Speaker 7>The security chiefs were consistently warning that the issue had

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<v Speaker 7>not gone away, and maybe they thought that something like

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<v Speaker 7>we saw on Sunday couldn't happen in Australia or that

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<v Speaker 7>it would happen somewhere else. And the big issue here

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<v Speaker 7>now for Anthony Aberanzi is that this is a public

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<v Speaker 7>safety issue, a very frightening one, and it doesn't just

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<v Speaker 7>affect Jewish Australians who are living their lives in fear

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<v Speaker 7>having to have security guards at their schools, which they've

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<v Speaker 7>always had to do, but they've now got security guards

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<v Speaker 7>at their places of worship, some family homes and the

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<v Speaker 7>issues getting worse and worse. So this is now a

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<v Speaker 7>national crisis and it's going to require some really sharp

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<v Speaker 7>and strong leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>The darkest possible interpretation of the conduct of Anthony Albanesi

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<v Speaker 1>and Penny Wong, who angered many people in the Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>community by not visiting the massacre science when she went

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<v Speaker 1>to Israel, is that you know, they actually believe that

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<v Speaker 1>Israel is bad. Certainly, this is something that their faction,

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<v Speaker 1>the Labor Left, has talked about in conferences and back

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<v Speaker 1>rooms for decades. Now, what is your sense of what

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Albanezi actually believes. Do you believe in his soul

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<v Speaker 1>that he supports Israel and supports Israel's right to exist

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<v Speaker 1>or not?

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<v Speaker 7>I think he certainly does. Obviously there is an evolution

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<v Speaker 7>for a politician or someone in public life. He's now

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<v Speaker 7>heading into his mid sixties, so the more sort of

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<v Speaker 7>probably radical left side of the Prime Minister has morphed

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<v Speaker 7>into a guy that wants to be a very pragmatic leader.

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<v Speaker 7>He wants to lead for the middle Australia and bring

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<v Speaker 7>the masses with him. And this is what would have

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<v Speaker 7>really shocked him is that he now is under immense

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<v Speaker 7>pressure to unite the country. And one of the great

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<v Speaker 7>criticisms of him in his first term was that on

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<v Speaker 7>a bunch of level he always struggled to unite the

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<v Speaker 7>country and bring people together. He gets that big election result,

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<v Speaker 7>he now has that big mandate and that big responsibility.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeff Chambers is The Australian's Political editor.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out those stories live right now at the Australian

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<v Speaker 1>dot com dot au and come back to the front

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<v Speaker 1>first thing in the morning for more on this unfolding

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<v Speaker 1>story