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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, September twenty six, twenty twenty five. Anthony Albanese's

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Speaker 1: push for a seat on the United Nations Security Council

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Speaker 1: will likely involve Australian taxpayers spending hundreds of millions of

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Speaker 1: dollars in new aid to Africa. It'll also put the

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Speaker 1: PM at odds with Donald Trump, who's still sieving about

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Speaker 1: a broken elevator and a dodgy teleprompter that marred the

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Speaker 1: US president's speech to the UN General Assembly this week.

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Speaker 1: Australia last held a temporary Security Council seat in twenty

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Speaker 1: thirteen and twenty fourteen, and now Albanzi wants the gig

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty nine point thirty. The future of

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Speaker 1: one of our biggest natural gas projects is in doubt

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Speaker 1: thanks to environmental conditions imposed by Environment Minister Murray Watt.

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Speaker 1: Northwest Shelf project operator Woodside has already shut down one

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Speaker 1: of the nation's oldest liquefied natural gas plants, and analysts

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Speaker 1: say the government's bigger missions reductions targets mean a new

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Speaker 1: gas field off Wa may never get going. Those stories

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Speaker 1: alive right now at the Australian dot com dot au.

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Speaker 1: Saturday's AFL Grand Final has everything. A homophobia crisis, an

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Speaker 1: aging rapper, bored backstabbing and even some footy. High above

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Speaker 1: the MCG on Saturday, Australia's most powerful people will gather

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Speaker 1: to eat party pies and do some deals. Our business

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Speaker 1: reporter John Stenzolt will be there and today he's here

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Speaker 1: to take us inside the party of the year. John

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Speaker 1: Stenzhelt is the Australian Senior business reporter and he'll be

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Speaker 1: heading to the AFL Grand Final this year. But John,

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Speaker 1: You're going to have to work, aren't you.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, despite having one of the hottest tickets in town,

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Speaker 2: there's a price to pay and I do have to

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Speaker 2: chronicle who's who in one of the best rooms I

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Speaker 2: think in corporate, sporting and political Australia for the year.

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Speaker 1: Really Yeah, the Olympic Room at the MCG. Take me inside.

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Speaker 1: What is that and who's in there?

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Speaker 2: Well, usually six to seven hundred people and they're crammed in.

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Speaker 2: There's tables everywhere. There's billionaires, there's CEOs, there's media industry people,

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Speaker 2: there's all the AFL heavy hitters. Obviously there's a smattering

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Speaker 2: of X players and legendary coaches as well. Look, I

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Speaker 2: think it's the best room in town, so forget about

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Speaker 2: the horse racing. Tennis Australian Open does really well too

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Speaker 2: every January, but that's usually people are in their shorts

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Speaker 2: and shirts. This one is a suit and tie. Best

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Speaker 2: seats in the town from the Prime Mister usually down

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Speaker 2: and I'm not sure if our we will be back

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Speaker 2: for this one this time. It's usually Primeister down, billionaires

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Speaker 2: like Kerry Stokes. It really is the krem Dela creme

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Speaker 2: of how most powerful people in Australia.

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Speaker 1: I often wonder in these corporate suites whether they're paid

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Speaker 1: attention to the sport or not. In that room, do

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Speaker 1: they actually focus once the footy starts?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think if you take someone like Richard Marles,

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Speaker 2: who's our deputy Prime Minister, he is a geelong tragic,

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Speaker 2: he will be focusing on the game definitely. The rest

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Speaker 2: of them, well, it really depends on how close it is.

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Speaker 2: So I've been to Grand Finals before where you know

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Speaker 2: there's been floggings at halftime and all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: you'll see that the seats outside the room, So you

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Speaker 2: walk out a door and then you actually have a

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Speaker 2: seat on the middle level, which is one of the

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Speaker 2: best seats ever. Right, so you know, if the game's

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Speaker 2: not closed, they'll be back inside the room having a

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Speaker 2: drink and doing a lot of networking. So that's a

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Speaker 2: good judge. If you can see it on the TV

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Speaker 2: and this is smattering of empty seats, it means all

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Speaker 2: the powers that be are back inside, probably having some

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Speaker 2: party pies. Well, you know, doing some networking and are

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Speaker 2: you talking deals and so on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say our deals being done?

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Speaker 1: Or is it a bit ghost to actually talk about

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Speaker 1: business and money at this social event.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think once you see the people with their

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Speaker 2: scarves in for the team, which are usually you can

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Speaker 2: tell because if they're brand new scarves, that's the first

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Speaker 2: time these politicians or business people have been to a game, probably,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's a place to be seen at

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Speaker 2: the start of the game perhaps, and after that you're

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Speaker 2: talking a lot of business.

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Speaker 1: What's the most telling conversation or encounter you've seen happening

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Speaker 1: in the Olympic room.

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Speaker 2: Look, I always remember the people, you know, like Dan

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Speaker 2: Andrews when he was a Victorian premier, you know, huddling

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Speaker 2: of new TV deals. In fact, that a carry out.

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Speaker 2: I spoke to you last year and asked him. You know,

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Speaker 2: Channel seven telecasts the game nationally and exclusively. I said,

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Speaker 2: me so. It gives you an indication of how powerful

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Speaker 2: these people think they are as well. But yeah, you'll

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Speaker 2: always see politicians huddling the prime ministers there or a premier. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there'll be people attracted them to them. Pretty quickly. Two

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Speaker 2: of the best teams we've seen in a long time,

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Speaker 2: and we are underway. He's feeling a desert. That's the

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Speaker 2: first time, the big time.

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Speaker 1: Now you're a Melbournian and I know you are actually

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Speaker 1: one of the people who's going to be watching the football.

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Speaker 1: It's Geelong versus Brisbane. For those who of us who

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Speaker 1: don't follow AFL as closely, tell me what to expect

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Speaker 1: from this game and what's at stake for these two teams.

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Speaker 2: Look, Brisbane are the defending premiers, but Geelong, I think

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Speaker 2: are the hot favorites. Geelong. We've had a fantastic year there.

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Speaker 2: They're a powerhouse. They just keep on keeping on. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're extremely good at recruiting players to you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: leave Melbourne or leave other capital cities and maybe enjoy

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Speaker 2: the quiet life down the surf coast of Victoria, you know,

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Speaker 2: a bit of a serf bit of footy. They beat

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Speaker 2: Brisbane a couple of weeks ago in the first week

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Speaker 2: of the finals. They've beat them really well. They've had

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Speaker 2: an excellent year. You know, the Patrick Dangerfields and the

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Speaker 2: Bailey Smiths of the world are superstars. So look, the

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Speaker 2: lines I think will be valiant, but you would expect

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Speaker 2: your long win. But I'm always wrong on these.

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Speaker 1: Oh I hope you're not going to be putting any

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Speaker 1: money on it, then definitely not coming up. Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 1: AFL itself is in leadership turmoil and it's chosen a

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Speaker 1: very controversial act for the halftime entertainment. What's going wrong

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Speaker 1: in this beloved code? Okay, now, just stepping back inside

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Speaker 1: become one of the most dramatic organizations. It's tipped over

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Speaker 1: from the sports pages to the business pages of our newspaper,

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Speaker 1: The Australian. What is going on right at the top

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Speaker 2: The AFL is the biggest code in the country on

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Speaker 2: the field, off the field, definitely money wise, but otherwise

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Speaker 2: the boardroom's in a bit of disarray. Actually, Claire so

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Speaker 2: the chairman, Richard Gordo, who was such a huge name

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Speaker 2: takes over from him? And there's all these machinations and

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Speaker 2: wants certain people in charge after him, some sort of

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Speaker 2: a legacy play. He's put up Peter Gordon, who's a

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Speaker 2: put up Craig Drummond as well, the Transurban chairman used

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Speaker 2: to run Medibank Private. He's opposed Jeff Brown, former Channel

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Speaker 2: nine and AFL lawyer John nine boss and a fore

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Speaker 2: lawyer for so many years. There's a couple of other

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Speaker 2: names in there as well, Eddie mcwise welled around Will McLaughlin.

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Speaker 2: All these names be around. Who's like The Coles chairman's

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Speaker 2: also involved too. It's the very Melbourne thing, the nexus

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Speaker 2: with you when business, politics and sport is so close

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Speaker 1: What's going wrong? Why is their dissatisfaction with Richard Gorder.

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean it's a case of probably staying too long.

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Speaker 2: He's been on the commission for more than fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: It's about seventeen years and by the time his term

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Speaker 2: would be up he'd stay the whole way. There's a

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Speaker 2: bit of a thought that the AFLs that have lost

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Speaker 2: its way a bit in terms of leadership. Andrew Dillon,

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Speaker 2: the CEO, is very well regarded, but he's a quiet character.

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Speaker 2: He's not the big gregarious guy that his predecessors Andrew

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Speaker 2: Demetrio and Gilan McLaughlin were. So there's a thought that

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Speaker 2: perhaps the AFL has been a bit weak on things,

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Speaker 2: whether it's been on field issues with some racism or

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Speaker 2: sexism stuff, there's been perhaps the clubs have been given

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Speaker 2: too much leeway or they haven't cracked down on things

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Speaker 2: soon enough. There's been a whole bunch of socialist shues

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Speaker 2: that have cost that, you know, taken a bit of

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Speaker 2: there's a bit of a leadership buck him. They've had

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Speaker 2: enough of Richard and you know, they want someone else

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Speaker 1: The AFL does have a CEO whose job is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be running the code day to day. It's always

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Speaker 1: interesting in organizations who really has the power. Is it

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Speaker 2: It's certainly been very much with the CEO. Previously, with

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Speaker 2: because they were such big names. Andrew Dillon, who's there

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Speaker 2: is more sort of you know, PowerShare or a bit

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Speaker 2: more sort of conciliatory with people. Look, I think he's certainly,

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Speaker 2: might have had previously. It really depends on what style

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Speaker 2: Someone like a Peter Gordon we suspect to be pretty

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Speaker 2: for very long. He's withdrawn from the process anyway. Craig

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Speaker 2: Drummond probably more of the same, and the juries out

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Speaker 1: Notwithstanding the occasional drama about racism, the AFL has pretty

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Speaker 1: strong credentials as a progressive organization. It has pushed that hard.

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Speaker 1: It's had a pride round for many years. It talks

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Speaker 1: a lot about reconciliation. But it got itself into a

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Speaker 1: bit of hot water with the choice of Snoop Dogg,

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Speaker 1: the American rapper for the entertainment at the Grand Final.

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Speaker 3: Well, the homophobic saga in broiling the AFL is deepening

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Speaker 3: this morning with fresh calls to cancel Snoop Dogg from

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Speaker 3: performing at next month's Grand Final. The outrage follows comments

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Speaker 3: made by the controversial rapper criticizing the portrayal of a

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Speaker 3: same sex couple in a children's.

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Speaker 2: Movie, The rapper explaining his shock at seeing lesbian parents

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Speaker 2: depicted on screen.

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Speaker 1: The scene from the twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two film marked Disney's first same sex kiss. Oh my gwdness.

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Speaker 2: In the middle of the movie, late Papa Snoop, how

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Speaker 2: does she have a baby with a woman? Sheer woman? Ash?

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Speaker 2: I didn't come in for this year. I just came

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Speaker 2: up once and goddamn movie.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're a Snoop Dogg super fan, John,

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Speaker 1: but what do you think about that choice?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Look, though I'm certainly not really familiar with Snoops

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Speaker 2: Snoops probably more mainstream than you think these days. He's

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Speaker 2: but you know, he was on the Olympics coverage on

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Speaker 2: US television. He's on shows over there. Look, maybe it's

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Speaker 2: a bit sort of, you know, not quite right for

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Speaker 2: Australian tastes. The AFL has always been very conservative in

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Speaker 2: entertainment and maybe they're just trying to be a little

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Speaker 2: bit edgier here. That was not actually sure, it's as

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Speaker 2: edgy as people think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well he is fifty.

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Speaker 2: Three, Yeah exactly, so look that probably chimes in with

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Speaker 2: the usual age category of people at the AFL are

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Speaker 2: trying to appeal to.

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