Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari.
Speaker 2: Good Evening. I'm Caleb Bond.
Speaker 3: Tonight the shortest divorce in history, Nationals and Liberals reenter negotiations,
Speaker 3: which has me asking why was this public blow up
Speaker 3: necessary at all? To israel embassy staff as a dead
Speaker 3: in the United States after they were shot allegedly by
Speaker 3: a man yelling free Palestine. Alex Ruftan joins me in
Speaker 3: a moment for his reaction, and we'll get the latest
Speaker 3: on the terrible floods in northern New South Wales, including
Speaker 3: what is likely to happen in the coming days.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I've been in some on again, off again relationships before,
Speaker 3: but live Charlie, you don't usually start talking about getting
Speaker 3: back together after two days, but that is what has
Speaker 3: happened today. The Liberals and the Nationals could be back
Speaker 3: on as a coalition. Susan Lee had been working on
Speaker 3: the phones this morning overnight talking to Nats who opposed
Speaker 3: breaking up the coal to see if there was a
Speaker 3: way she could broke her a truce. They were Barnaby Joyce,
Speaker 3: Darren Chester, sam Byrell and Michael McCormack. Now Michael will
Speaker 3: join me a little later in the show, and in
Speaker 3: the meantime, David Little Proud had been working up a
Speaker 3: list of shadow spokesmen and women for various portfolios so
Speaker 3: that the Nationals could present like they were themselves an
Speaker 3: opposition party, and Lee was meant to announce her shadow
Speaker 3: ministry today two So Little Proud was having a meeting
Speaker 3: with his people in Canberra this morning, but then Lee
Speaker 3: got in touch with him and struck a deal to
Speaker 3: quote unquote pause the separation.
Speaker 4: I had a brief meeting with Susan Lee and she
Speaker 4: made an offer to reconvene her party room to discuss
Speaker 4: the four policy areas that the National Party demand as
Speaker 4: part of a coalition agreement, and I thank her for that,
Speaker 4: and as a consequence, I have decided to send those
Speaker 4: spokespeople home as a sign of good faith, and Susan
Speaker 4: is a sign of good faith, will not be announcing
Speaker 4: should I come. This is a positive step forward, one
Speaker 4: in which we've always said we'd be productive and constructive.
Speaker 3: Fantastic they've found a potential way forward. But all I
Speaker 3: could think today was why didn't you do this earlier?
Speaker 3: I mean, why did you wait until this point, until
Speaker 3: after the coalition had split and all this blood had
Speaker 3: been spilt and people getting angry at each other and
Speaker 3: all the rest of it. Why did you wait until
Speaker 3: now to come up with a compromise deal. I mean,
Speaker 3: what they've come up with here seems quite sensible. The
Speaker 3: Nationals said very clearly that they had four policies that
Speaker 3: were non negotiable for the coalition to continue, supporting nuclear energy,
Speaker 3: divestiture of supermarkets, the Regional Future Fund, and mobile coverage
Speaker 3: in the bush. Fair enough, But Susan Lee said the
Speaker 3: Liberal Party hadn't committed to any policies and it wasn't
Speaker 3: about to because absolutely everything was on the table and
Speaker 3: they'd have to duke it out before they knew what
Speaker 3: they were going to do. Fair Enough, that's the decision
Speaker 3: she'd made. But if it's good enough now for the
Speaker 3: Liberal Party to say, okay, we'll make an exception to
Speaker 3: the process and we can meet and discuss these four
Speaker 3: specific policies, then why couldn't they have come to that
Speaker 3: agreement just a few days ago? This was what Lee
Speaker 3: said on Tuesday.
Speaker 5: Now, the Nationals sought specific commitments on certain policies and
Speaker 5: they've talked.
Speaker 6: About that this morning.
Speaker 5: And our perspective is not about the individual policies themselves.
Speaker 5: But the approach that we said we would take to
Speaker 5: our party room about policies, nothing adopted and nothing abandoned.
Speaker 5: So at this point in time I asked the Nationals
Speaker 5: to respect those party room processes.
Speaker 2: And they did respect those processes.
Speaker 3: They walked away and said, well, we'll talk later on,
Speaker 3: and now you've gone back to them. I mean, she
Speaker 3: said at that presser that she proposed that they come
Speaker 3: up with a shadow ministry together and then both parties
Speaker 3: go away and come up with their policy positions and then.
Speaker 2: They'll come back and they'll work it all out.
Speaker 3: And the National said, no, we want assurance on these
Speaker 3: four policies before we move forward. Lee refused, and then
Speaker 3: Ats walked away. I mean, for three days now we
Speaker 3: have been talking about this and how it's bad for
Speaker 3: conservative politics in the long run, and how the coalition
Speaker 3: has to eventually get back together, and as much as
Speaker 3: I've said that it will be for the best if
Speaker 3: it pulls the Liberal Party in the right direction, there
Speaker 3: is no getting around the fact that what we have
Speaker 3: witnessed this week has been unfortunate and unsavory and unedifying.
Speaker 3: But this could have been so simple to avoid we've
Speaker 3: seen that today. All that needed to happen was for
Speaker 3: a little Proud to drop his ridiculous request for Nationals
Speaker 3: to not have to abide by cabinet solidarity, and for
Speaker 3: Lee to call a party room meeting to discuss these
Speaker 3: four policies just get it done. And they're all pretty
Speaker 3: straightforward policies anyway. I honestly can't see a position in
Speaker 3: which the Libs don't back all these policies in again,
Speaker 3: so why couldn't they have just sorted it out before that?
Speaker 3: You know what hit the fan? Now again, I'll say
Speaker 3: I think this can ultimately be a good thing because
Speaker 3: it sent a strong message to the Liberal Party, But
Speaker 3: you cannot get away from what a side show this
Speaker 3: has been and what a free kick it was to
Speaker 3: the Labor Party, particularly now that they're going to try
Speaker 3: and patch things up so quickly. On this basis, you'd
Speaker 3: have to say it didn't need to happen. I mean,
Speaker 3: what did Lee think she was going to achieve? Whatever
Speaker 3: it was, it seemingly hasn't worked. I mean, we read
Speaker 3: in The Australian yesterday that she was keen for the
Speaker 3: coalition not to get back together before the next election.
Speaker 2: And keep all the shadow positions for Liberals.
Speaker 3: Now, maybe that was a view born out of anger,
Speaker 3: and I can kind of understand that, But clearly overnight
Speaker 3: she's seen some sense. Now it's of course possible that
Speaker 3: the Liberal Party doesn't back those four policies.
Speaker 2: I mean that have rocks in.
Speaker 3: Their heads if they did that, and it does seem
Speaker 3: quite unlikely. So why did we have to go through
Speaker 3: this whole plava in the first place. Now, let's not
Speaker 3: mince words here. What we saw today in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: Was a terror attack. A lone man with a gun
Speaker 3: outside the Capitol Jewish Museum approaches a group of people
Speaker 3: and shoots dead a man and a woman Israeli embassy staff,
Speaker 3: and they were about to get engaged next week.
Speaker 7: The young man purchased a ring this week with the
Speaker 7: intention of proposing to his girlfriend next week in Jerusalem.
Speaker 7: They were a beautiful couple.
Speaker 3: Now I don't often get emotional. I've been to some
Speaker 3: pretty gruesome scenes as a reporter into view the families
Speaker 3: of murder victims while they're still trying to register what's happened.
Speaker 3: But thinking about two young people who've done nothing wrong,
Speaker 3: their lives together ahead of them.
Speaker 2: He's just bought the ring being.
Speaker 3: Killed in a country far away from the war that
Speaker 3: has triggered all of this. It did get to me,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a young man. I can see myself
Speaker 3: in that position too.
Speaker 2: This was terrorism, anti.
Speaker 3: Semitic terrorism, And I know it hasn't been formally declared
Speaker 3: a terror attack, but I think we can all see
Speaker 3: what's going on here. Man goes to Jewish museum, shoots
Speaker 3: dead too, Jews shouts free, Free Palestine. The intention is
Speaker 3: very clear. It's meant to scare Jewish Americans and Jews
Speaker 3: anywhere else for that matter, because you'd be worried now
Speaker 3: about copycat attacks. And it's no coincidence that it happened now.
Speaker 3: The pro Palestinian demonstrations and protests have largely died down.
Speaker 3: It's not in the news every day in the same
Speaker 3: way that it was a year ago. Has of course
Speaker 3: ended its aid blockade, and the war may well be
Speaker 3: nearing an end too.
Speaker 2: So the point of today's attack was very clear.
Speaker 3: Even if this is falling by the wayside as an
Speaker 3: issue of public discussion, even if the war may be
Speaker 3: reaching something of a conclusion, if you are Jewish, you
Speaker 3: should still be worried, and you should still feel unsafe.
Speaker 3: And that is the obvious consequence. This is the obvious
Speaker 3: consequence of not clamping down on anti semitism much earlier.
Speaker 3: I mean here in Australia, ever since October nine, when
Speaker 3: gangs of men gathered on.
Speaker 2: The steps of the opera house. Where's the Jews?
Speaker 3: Gas the Jews? It doesn't really matter. But since that
Speaker 3: moment you've had people who might have been quiet anti Semites,
Speaker 3: if you want to call them that, who became loud
Speaker 3: anti Semites because they figured, well, my views are okay,
Speaker 3: now I have strength in numbers. And we've seen examples
Speaker 3: that before. And I'll repeat the words that I've said
Speaker 3: before in this situation. This shows just how complacent we
Speaker 3: have become about the scourge of anti Semitism. We all
Speaker 3: know there are racist people in the world, but even
Speaker 3: most people who are racist don't feel comfortable talking publicly
Speaker 3: about how they really feel because they fear the consequences
Speaker 3: of their speech. And by not enforcing those consequences, we've
Speaker 3: created a situation where someone in a Western country thinks
Speaker 3: it's justified to shoot Jews dead for no other reason
Speaker 3: than the fact that they are Jewish. It's nearly two
Speaker 3: years since the Israel Garza War started, and I think
Speaker 3: many of us feared something like this would happen, and
Speaker 3: now it has. All right, let's jump straight into the
Speaker 3: news of the day with my panel tonight, w WAY
Speaker 3: opposition leader Basil Zimplas and DPG Advisory Solutions founder David Gazzard.
Speaker 2: Welcome gents.
Speaker 3: Now that the Nationals and the Liberals, as I said before,
Speaker 3: it looks like they're about to patch things up.
Speaker 2: He was David Little Proud today.
Speaker 4: I can trust Susan and that's why she took a
Speaker 4: leap of faith today and took a step forward and
Speaker 4: said that she's prepared to go back and to bring
Speaker 4: her party room back.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Little Proud was adamant that the NATS weren't going anywhere,
Speaker 3: of course, until the four policy demands were meant nuclear
Speaker 3: energy and new off budget regional fund, the divestiture powers,
Speaker 3: improved regional telecommunications.
Speaker 2: And I can't see.
Speaker 3: A position Basle in which the Liberal Party won't back
Speaker 3: all of this in.
Speaker 2: But as I said before.
Speaker 3: I mean my question is if Susan Lee woke up
Speaker 3: this morning and thought, okay, I feel comfortable that I
Speaker 3: could call a party room meeting and we can deal
Speaker 3: with this stuff. Why couldn't she have come to that
Speaker 3: conclusion earlier in the week and avoided all of this mess?
Speaker 1: Well, Caleb, good evening.
Speaker 8: Maybe it is the old adage you don't know what
Speaker 8: you've lost until it's gone, and perhaps that's applicable both ways. Look,
Speaker 8: I do feel comfortable enough to say that the Libs
Speaker 8: and the Nats are at their most effective when they
Speaker 8: are working together. Certainly that's what we're doing here in
Speaker 8: Western Australia with a very strong alliance with the Nationals
Speaker 8: WA and the Liberals WA. After the last state election,
Speaker 8: I realized that how it's done in Canberra is a
Speaker 8: prerogative for our leaders in Canberra to decide.
Speaker 1: But I think this is very encouraging.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't say it's one big, happy family quite yet,
Speaker 8: but it is encouraging for everyone. I think it's encouraging
Speaker 8: too for good governance and good government because the most
Speaker 8: effective opposition is what we need. That's what the country
Speaker 8: needs to hold the alban Easy government to account. And
Speaker 8: I think the most effective opposition brings the Nats and
Speaker 8: the Liberal Party into one party room. So this is encouraging,
Speaker 8: but it's not quite there yet.
Speaker 3: Caleb, indeed and David Lee apparently reached out to the Nats,
Speaker 3: who were reportedly against the split. I said before Barnaby, Joyce,
Speaker 3: Michael McCormick, Darren Chester, Michael will join me shortly and
Speaker 3: I'll ask him about those conversations that he had. But
Speaker 3: how much do you think that played into it that
Speaker 3: Lee was willing to get on the phone. This morning
Speaker 3: they both said the door was open, But yesterday it
Speaker 3: sounded like from both sides, Lee wasn't all that keen
Speaker 3: to get the coalition back together. Little Proud was talking about,
Speaker 3: you know maybe after the next election, if they're in
Speaker 3: a position where they need us to form government, will
Speaker 3: talk to them.
Speaker 2: Then. Very different story today.
Speaker 9: Look, I'm with you on this. I mean, why did
Speaker 9: this happen have to happen in the first place. I
Speaker 9: don't think really anyone understands that the National Party, in
Speaker 9: seeking to kind of blaze their own trail with those
Speaker 9: four policies, have had those for a while and they've
Speaker 9: retained all their seats, so they can't look to an
Speaker 9: electoral loss to say, well, we need to campaign harder
Speaker 9: on these to hold our seats.
Speaker 10: They held all their seats.
Speaker 9: I have some sympathy for Susan because the parliament is now,
Speaker 9: you know, roughly a third and two thirds two thirds
Speaker 9: for progressives and I hate that term, but left of
Speaker 9: center MPs with one third b conservatives. The problem that
Speaker 9: Susan has an existential one where she is leaking votes
Speaker 9: on the left, not the right.
Speaker 10: So while it's good.
Speaker 9: They've come back together and it will be a coalition,
Speaker 9: it looks like going on into the future, and this
Speaker 9: is the time you want to repair these sort of fractures.
Speaker 10: And paper over the.
Speaker 9: Wounds that remained and hopefully go forward in a stable
Speaker 9: and sensible way.
Speaker 10: You would want to do that now.
Speaker 9: But there still has to be for the Liberal Party
Speaker 9: a way of reaching into the cities, not the regions,
Speaker 9: and that is still the great unanswered question that Susan
Speaker 9: Lee has to has to ask and the party has
Speaker 9: to respond to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's worth noting that the seats
Speaker 3: they lost at this election, apart from maybe Bradfield, which
Speaker 3: we'll find out on the recount, were not teel style seats.
Speaker 3: They were mostly out of suburban seats, which I think
Speaker 3: might go some way to what they need to be
Speaker 3: looking at. But because part of this pause is that
Speaker 3: Susan Lee delayed announcing her shadow cabinet, which we were
Speaker 3: meant to get today, Basil.
Speaker 2: And again it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: I mean, she stood up on Tuesday and said I
Speaker 3: will be announcing the shadow cabinet on Thursday, which of
Speaker 3: course would have included no Nationals, so the entire thing
Speaker 3: goes to the Liberals. And if she had done that,
Speaker 3: it would have made the possibility of the coalition getting
Speaker 3: back together that much harder because of course then she'd
Speaker 3: have to take rolls away from Libs to give them
Speaker 3: to Nats. So it very much seems like in every
Speaker 3: way she was determined not to get the band back
Speaker 3: together until this morning, because what was the rush. I mean,
Speaker 3: Parliament's not sitting until July. She didn't have to announce
Speaker 3: a shadow cabinet today.
Speaker 1: Well, didn't have to.
Speaker 8: But then again, I suppose the opposition leader does want
Speaker 8: to get on with it, wants to put her people
Speaker 8: in their positions and start to form the nucleus of
Speaker 8: that team that you're going to start to mold and
Speaker 8: shape towards the next election.
Speaker 1: What I would say is I appreciate that.
Speaker 8: This is not absolutely perfect, it's not ideal execution of
Speaker 8: whatever the new arrangement might be. But we are so
Speaker 8: close to the last federal election, the one that's just gone.
Speaker 8: If you're going to do these things, this is when
Speaker 8: it gets done. And has it been done ideally?
Speaker 1: No? I think that's a fair comment.
Speaker 8: Might have been better to do it in another way,
Speaker 8: or have these discussions before. Sure, However, in a couple
Speaker 8: of days, in a week, it'll get sorted. It'll be sorted,
Speaker 8: and in a month nobody will be talking about what
Speaker 8: we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Right now, no one will talk about it. I get
Speaker 1: it fixed, That'll be it. We're a long way away
Speaker 1: from the next election.
Speaker 3: Well, can I ask you, Basil? Of course, as opposition
Speaker 3: leader in WA if you were in a position like this,
Speaker 3: what would you have done the Nats come to you
Speaker 3: as the liberal leader and say we want to split
Speaker 3: up because I need an assurance on these four policies.
Speaker 2: What would you have done?
Speaker 8: Well, I'm going to talk hypotheticals here. I mean, how
Speaker 8: Susan enters into negotiations with David is entirely their business.
Speaker 8: I absolutely respect that, and I am not in the
Speaker 8: federal space. But what I will say is that my
Speaker 8: view is, and certainly the people of Western Australia that
Speaker 8: I've spoken to coming off the back of an election loss,
Speaker 8: is that we are better when we are together, the
Speaker 8: Libs and the Nats working together in government, it's been
Speaker 8: very effective. We're better in opposition that way as well.
Speaker 8: But as Liberal leader, I wouldn't be giving into demands necessarily.
Speaker 8: I think everything is a negotiation. Everything has to be
Speaker 8: with the other side's perspective considered. But if there were
Speaker 8: positions that I'm not entirely comfortable with on behalf of
Speaker 8: the team that I am working with the Liberal team,
Speaker 8: it's not a case of just fold because a certain
Speaker 8: outcome is required or requested. You have to be true
Speaker 8: to your values and true to your party's principles.
Speaker 1: So that, Caleb is how I would.
Speaker 8: Enter into any hypothetical negotiations should they ever come my way.
Speaker 8: But I've got to say that NAT's and the Libs
Speaker 8: in WA we're working magnificently together in a very effective
Speaker 8: opposition alliance.
Speaker 2: Good to hear, David.
Speaker 3: I wonder if this clip here of Alban Easy talking
Speaker 3: about the resources that would have been given to the
Speaker 3: Nationals if there was a coalition breakup played any role
Speaker 3: in the renegotiations.
Speaker 11: Take a look, but clearly it is not reasonable that
Speaker 11: there be more staff or a reward if you like,
Speaker 11: for the fact that you had this division has occurred.
Speaker 3: I mean it, then that's in a very difficult position, David,
Speaker 3: no doubt about.
Speaker 9: You need every staff member you can get when you're
Speaker 9: in opposition, and that would have put them under tremendous pressure.
Speaker 9: I still think they would have been sitting in policy purity,
Speaker 9: up on the back bench, unable to affect any change
Speaker 9: to any policy anyway, which would have been a miserable
Speaker 9: place with or without staff. Look, I think Basil is right.
Speaker 9: The coalition works better when it is in conjunction. My
Speaker 9: first week working in politics was with John Howard and
Speaker 9: Port Arthur occurred and that put the coalition under enormous strain.
Speaker 9: The gun buy back put massive pressure on the National
Speaker 9: Party and gave rise to One Nation, but Tim Fisher
Speaker 9: at the time did not buckle under the pressure from
Speaker 9: the Bush kept it all together. The cities responded well
Speaker 9: and over time.
Speaker 10: Basily was quite right.
Speaker 9: The two parties worked better together and saw off the
Speaker 9: sort of forces on the extreme right together and it
Speaker 9: was a very very successful coalition twelve for twelve years.
Speaker 10: The time to do this is now.
Speaker 9: The time to have a full scale policy review in
Speaker 9: both the National Party and the Liberal Party is now.
Speaker 9: They've just gone through an election loss. They need to
Speaker 9: come to grips with as you say, Caleb, what happened
Speaker 9: in our of metro seats, What is happening in the
Speaker 9: city seats?
Speaker 10: How can we respond? What kind of people.
Speaker 9: Are we going to appoint to shadow ministry positions. I
Speaker 9: think Susan has a great opportunity with some of the
Speaker 9: crop of really new, young, gifted talent that is waiting
Speaker 9: to be given a go. So it's better to let
Speaker 9: the blood letting occur now, get the thing fixed and
Speaker 9: then move on united after that.
Speaker 2: Let's hope so well.
Speaker 3: We haven't even talked about that letters that Bridget McKenzie
Speaker 3: sent to mcgally cash. There is so much going on here,
Speaker 3: David Basil, thank you so much for joining me. Now
Speaker 3: let's talk to someone who was apparently involved in the
Speaker 3: talks to get the Liberals and Nationals back together joined
Speaker 3: again by National ZMP, Michael Mccormickmichael we spoke to each
Speaker 3: other on Tuesday. I don't think we were expecting to
Speaker 3: speak to each other in these circumstances again on Thursday.
Speaker 3: But you must have been pleased with the news today.
Speaker 12: Well it is that great political philosopher Mariah Carey said,
Speaker 12: we've belonged together and along together, and it seems as
Speaker 12: though there's been, as one Liberal insider told me today,
Speaker 12: great momentum, good discussions, productive work done at the Liberal
Speaker 12: Party meeting tonight evening five o'clock. A lengthy meeting, i'm told,
Speaker 12: but a good meeting. And the Liberals know that they
Speaker 12: can't govern without us, We know that we can't govern
Speaker 12: without them. It's John Howard has always said we're much
Speaker 12: better together and hopefully that will happen and happen soon.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for the window into your musical taste, Michael. Now,
Speaker 3: Susan we reportedly reached out to several Gnats that she
Speaker 3: heard were against the split. You were one of them,
Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce, Darren Chester, can you tell us about the
Speaker 3: conversation you had with Susan Lee.
Speaker 12: Look, it was an earnest discussion. It was an honest discussions.
Speaker 12: Susan and I have been neighbors since twenty ten when
Speaker 12: I took over from k Hal. We are both coalitionists
Speaker 12: and we're both regional MPs. We've got everything in common
Speaker 12: and I remember Malcolm Turnbull once saying he was surprised
Speaker 12: at how close we were on policy and a lot
Speaker 12: of other things from different political parties. But we had
Speaker 12: a good discussion last night about where we could land this.
Speaker 12: I've talked to Dave little Proud this morning, encouraged him
Speaker 12: to obviously continue the discussions in a practical and reasonable
Speaker 12: and fair minded fashion, and he's done that and she's
Speaker 12: come to it in God faith too. Look, there's no
Speaker 12: sense having recriminations. I'm sorry that the fallout has burned
Speaker 12: this way this week. We didn't need to go down
Speaker 12: this path. I can't see why they're with such haste
Speaker 12: and look, I hopefully we've resolved those few differences that
Speaker 12: there are. I appreciate that we need to have a
Speaker 12: policy discussion we do as Nats the Liberals do. But
Speaker 12: when we do come together, both in Chadow Cabinet in
Speaker 12: the joint party room, we need to present a united
Speaker 12: front because the next three years is going to be
Speaker 12: hard on Australians. I really worry about cost of living.
Speaker 12: I worry about the unrealized capital gains. I worry about
Speaker 12: the lack of regional infrastructure that country areas are going
Speaker 12: to endure following the last budget. And we need to
Speaker 12: be talking about Australians, not ourselves. We don't need to
Speaker 12: be continue able gazing. We need to be getting on
Speaker 12: the front foot and making sure that we hold this
Speaker 12: government accountable.
Speaker 3: When you spoke to Miss Lee, what impression did you
Speaker 3: get of why she seemed to have changed her tune,
Speaker 3: Because of course we read yesterday that she was quite
Speaker 3: prepared to go the full three years into another election
Speaker 3: without being in coalition with the NATS.
Speaker 12: I think all along, I think we would have resolved
Speaker 12: it before the next election. I think it was going
Speaker 12: to be important. You can't go into a campaign with
Speaker 12: a fifty seat deficit and just hope that you're going
Speaker 12: to form government and then maybe get some sort of
Speaker 12: as they do in Western Australia, alliance after the election.
Speaker 12: You can't do that, given the fact that we've been
Speaker 12: so successful for so long, eighty years in fact, and
Speaker 12: I think it was always going to happen before the election,
Speaker 12: not after. This looks like it's going to come to
Speaker 12: fruition and hopefully within days not weeks, we resume Parliament
Speaker 12: on the twenty second of July. I'm hoping that we're
Speaker 12: back united. Yes we'll still have to work through review
Speaker 12: processes in both parties. Yes we'll still have to work
Speaker 12: through policies etc. But we need to be back as
Speaker 12: one fighting the real enemy, and that is Later and
Speaker 12: the Greens of course, although it's only one of them
Speaker 12: now in the Low House, thank goodness, that's one too many.
Speaker 12: But that's the challenge for Liberals and Nationals, and so
Speaker 12: in good faith it looks as though the talks are
Speaker 12: going to be fruitful and I look very much forward
Speaker 12: over the coming hopefully twenty four or forty eight hours,
Speaker 12: it all been resolved and we can get on back
Speaker 12: doing what we should be doing, and that's listening to
Speaker 12: the needs and ons of Australians and acting on that.
Speaker 3: We've only got a minute, markl But given that you've
Speaker 3: sort of come back together so soon, I mean two
Speaker 3: days and the negotiations batt I know, do you think
Speaker 3: the decision that the National Party made and your leader
Speaker 3: David little Proud made was the right one?
Speaker 12: Well as Burne reported, I voted against it, and so
Speaker 12: I didn't want to see it split in the first place.
Speaker 12: So I suppose the into that questions. I don't think
Speaker 12: it was the right decision, but I always go with
Speaker 12: the party policy given the fact that you know we
Speaker 12: are a democratic party, you go with the majority rules.
Speaker 12: And the majority of the party felt on Tuesday that
Speaker 12: we would split from the Liberals, and so I did
Speaker 12: my best to address that issue in any number of
Speaker 12: press appearances. But you know, it's raining here in Wogga
Speaker 12: Woggorn across the river, and that's bringing more joy to
Speaker 12: me than anything I have to say, because we've had
Speaker 12: a prolonged drove and when you've got farmers in desperate trouble,
Speaker 12: you're thinking more about them than you're thinking about yourself
Speaker 12: and power and positions. I'm just glad that it looks
Speaker 12: as though we're going to get the Nationals and Liberals
Speaker 12: back together. And I'm very very glad that it's drizzling
Speaker 12: right outside.
Speaker 3: Good luck, Michael, Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 3: Still come, I'll bring you the latest on the New
Speaker 3: South Wales flooding disasters. Going News reported Jim Callanan is
Speaker 3: in the area, and meteorologist Alison Osborne will give us
Speaker 3: the forecast for the rest of the week. But first
Speaker 3: we turned to the horror that unfolded in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: Where two Israeli embassy workers were shot dead outside a
Speaker 3: Jewish museum, allegedly by a man yelling at free Palestine.
Speaker 2: Alex Ritchen will join me next well.
Speaker 3: A chilling day for Jewish people around the world, with
Speaker 3: two Israeli embassy workers being shot dead outside the Jewish
Speaker 3: Museum in Washington, d C. They were a young couple
Speaker 3: who were leaving an event for young Jewish professionals at
Speaker 3: the museum, and the man, as I said earlier, had
Speaker 3: been planning on proposing. Chief of Metropolitan Police Department of
Speaker 3: the District of Columbia, Pamela Smith confirmed a thirty year
Speaker 3: old Chicago man has been arrested.
Speaker 13: Prior to the shooting, the suspect was observed piecing back
Speaker 13: and forth outside of the museum.
Speaker 14: He approached a group.
Speaker 13: Of four people, produced a handgun and opened fire, striking
Speaker 13: both of our decedents. After the shooting, the suspect then
Speaker 13: entered the museum and was deteamed by event security. The
Speaker 13: suspect chanted free Free Palestine while in custody.
Speaker 3: Anti Semitism is real, and here we see the consequences.
Speaker 3: Welcome to reality. And this is a nightmare come true
Speaker 3: for Jews right across the world and for everyone else.
Speaker 3: I think, who has a brain. I'm joined now by
Speaker 3: Executive Council of Australian Jury co CEO Alex Rifchin. Alex,
Speaker 3: as I said earlier, all of us, I think feared
Speaker 3: this day would come, and it has.
Speaker 15: That's right. I mean, everything that's transplied in the last
Speaker 15: eight ten months has been deeply shocking and yet at
Speaker 15: the same time utterly predictable. And the person who did
Speaker 15: this was the product of a movement and he chanted
Speaker 15: the name of that movement as it carried out these atrocities.
Speaker 15: And that's the Free Palestine movement. And that movement has,
Speaker 15: for years, but particularly the last eight ten months, been
Speaker 15: relentlessly inciting against the Jewish community, putting targets on the
Speaker 15: backs of community leaders and people who frequent commune institutions
Speaker 15: like the museum there in DC. And this is the
Speaker 15: inevitable consequence of that. And too often Western media even
Speaker 15: governments have uncritically swallowed the propaganda of this movement lies
Speaker 15: about genocide. In the last few days we've heard more
Speaker 15: lies from UN officials, regurgitated by the media uncritically about
Speaker 15: fourteener babies poised to die by Israel's hand and this.
Speaker 1: Sort of stuff.
Speaker 15: It's not reckless, it's not unprofessional. It's dangerous, and the
Speaker 15: outcome is what we've seen here in murder.
Speaker 3: And by not addressing that earlier, and we can talk
Speaker 3: about Australia, but obviously the US as well and all
Speaker 3: over the world. By not addressing it earlier, you turned
Speaker 3: what you might call quiet anti Semites. People who wouldn't
Speaker 3: feel comfortable talking about it publicly because they'd be worried
Speaker 3: about the repercussions of doing so, have now felt embolved,
Speaker 3: comfortable to come out and say things. And the more
Speaker 3: and more that has happened, it builds up to the
Speaker 3: point where you get an event like we have today.
Speaker 3: Someone felt comfortable that it was right to shoot two
Speaker 3: people for no other reason that they were Jewish.
Speaker 15: That's absolutely correct, and there's been a progression in that incitement,
Speaker 15: and it's come to the point now where to speak
Speaker 15: of Zionists as being unhuman, as being all terrorists, which
Speaker 15: we hear chantered on the streets of Melbourne and Sydney
Speaker 15: on a frequent basis, or that all Zionists are child
Speaker 15: killers and murderers and genocidal maniacs, or should be purged
Speaker 15: from society, or should be denied cultural freedoms. These things
Speaker 15: are now uttered on our streets, in our institutions without consequences,
Speaker 15: you say, and the product of that is what we've
Speaker 15: seen now, that progression. And we've been speaking about it,
Speaker 15: you and I, Caleb, and with your colleagues on Sky
Speaker 15: for so long. Now, when there are no consequences exacted,
Speaker 15: when people feel they can get away with this stuff.
Speaker 10: They go further and further and further.
Speaker 15: The only thing that extreme misunderstand is strict consequences. And
Speaker 15: until that's levy, until we see that, until we see
Speaker 15: a cost for being an Anthony Semke, this is going
Speaker 15: to get worse and worse.
Speaker 3: Well, obviously, we've now seen a terror attack in the US,
Speaker 3: and you'd be stupid not to be worried about copycats.
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think the likelihood of something
Speaker 3: like this happening in Australia.
Speaker 15: Is Well, again, we've seen things in the past eighteen
Speaker 15: months that we thought we're immune from in Australia the
Speaker 15: fire bombings of people's homes and vehicles and childcare centers
Speaker 15: and incineration of synagogues, and we've been warning about what
Speaker 15: is to come. The writing was on the wall for
Speaker 15: a long time and there is no reason. Sadly, and
Speaker 15: it's shocking to n of this, but there's no reason
Speaker 15: why something like this can't happen in this country because
Speaker 15: we have the same ideology, the same extremism, the same
Speaker 15: people who wish to do the Jewish community harm here.
Speaker 15: And it's going to take a hell of a lot
Speaker 15: of resolve from our security agencies and the police and
Speaker 15: the community and wider society to stamp this out and
Speaker 15: to protect Jewish Australians well.
Speaker 3: Alex obviously your former home was targeted previously, so you
Speaker 3: know that someone potentially had ill intent towards you. After
Speaker 3: seeing this today, are you concerned for your own safety?
Speaker 15: Look, I'm not concerned for my own safety. I'm concerned
Speaker 15: for the welfare of the Jewish people of our country, Australia,
Speaker 15: and for the Jewish community here. That's where my concern
Speaker 15: has always been. And I was targeted because I speak
Speaker 15: for the community because I express what the vast majority
Speaker 15: of the community feels, and the consequence of that is
Speaker 15: sometimes dire and to be put in peral and that's.
Speaker 10: Just the way it's going to be.
Speaker 15: But my concern is for what happens to other members
Speaker 15: of the community and our chamule institutions. I don't want
Speaker 15: to credit a situation where Jewish Australians are fearful of
Speaker 15: getting together, attending communal events of the sort that we
Speaker 15: saw in Washington DC. Our museums, our schools, our institutions
Speaker 15: are the lifeblood of this community, the vibrance and heartbeat
Speaker 15: of this community. And Jews need to feel safe to
Speaker 15: attend institutions and congregate and get together because is if
Speaker 15: we can't do that, not only is it a cuippling
Speaker 15: blow to Jewish life in this country, it's a blow
Speaker 15: to our democracy, to our freedoms as Australians.
Speaker 3: Alex Rifchin, thank you for joining me. Now, thanks, let's
Speaker 3: turn out of the awful floods in New South Wales,
Speaker 3: which it is now confirmed have killed three people. Scaranne
Speaker 3: News reported. Jim Callanan filed this earlier from Forster.
Speaker 14: Hello Carleb.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's been a really tough day here on the
Speaker 16: mid north coast of New South Wales for so many,
Speaker 16: particular many of those Attari, which effectively has been marooned.
Speaker 16: It's been an island for some time now after the
Speaker 16: manning broke its banks like yesterday and record measures and
Speaker 16: then continued to do so given the rain kept tumbling
Speaker 16: down for much of today and we understand will continue
Speaker 16: for well into.
Speaker 2: The evening as well.
Speaker 16: There's some one hundred and forty warnings from the SEES now,
Speaker 16: thirty four of those at the emergency level. They basically
Speaker 16: telling people, if it is safe, get out of where
Speaker 16: you are, so they are telling people to make sure
Speaker 16: they take heed because of those tragedies today as well.
Speaker 14: That just underlines the serious.
Speaker 16: Nature of how things are unfolding here by our now.
Speaker 14: Amongst it all, we've spent a pretty busy day in.
Speaker 16: Tarre, where we got to see up close in person
Speaker 16: and what a lot of the emergency crews have been
Speaker 16: up to.
Speaker 14: They've got nine.
Speaker 16: Aircraft here across a range of emergency services, the WESTBEC Rescue,
Speaker 16: a helicopter, RFIRS, Pole Air and the like, and they've
Speaker 16: been working virtually around the clock both out there trying
Speaker 16: to assess the situation, but also winching people to safety,
Speaker 16: including a lovely couple. We met Paul and Liz Brennan
Speaker 16: just on the outskirts of tar Reb, but they've been
Speaker 16: oscillated for about the last four days and then today
Speaker 16: finally they heard that amazing sound of a chopper coming
Speaker 16: to winch them to safety and get them to safer
Speaker 16: and high ground along with their dog tricks in then
Speaker 16: a little bit late in the afternoon and a real
Speaker 16: understanding of what this means a local level, a local
Speaker 16: sees volunteer in Cassie Lake who's spent the last two
Speaker 16: days volunteering and helping others inadvertently through that action, had
Speaker 16: then been cut off from our own family or late
Speaker 16: today reunited with all four of her children care of
Speaker 16: another chopper airlift. So amongst all the tragedy, some real
Speaker 16: good stories here as well.
Speaker 3: Thank you to Jim for that, and my apology to
Speaker 3: the good people of Foster. I am but a humble
Speaker 3: South Australian, so I haven't got myself across these things yet.
Speaker 3: It is Foster, not Foster, and let's see what's in
Speaker 3: store for those in the flat affected areas for the
Speaker 3: rest of the week. Skarn New's meteorologist Allison Osborne has
Speaker 3: the latest.
Speaker 17: Heavy rainfall is still a risk tonight across parts of
Speaker 17: the mid North coast of New South Wales, but that
Speaker 17: risk is rapidly easing back in time for the weekend.
Speaker 17: If we take a look at the current warnings, there's
Speaker 17: still the risk of six hourly rainfall totals up to
Speaker 17: one h hundred milimeters across the Mid North and that
Speaker 17: is again on top of areas that have seen upwards
Speaker 17: of five hundreds, so ongoing flash flood thread there. The
Speaker 17: risk is shifting southwards on Friday though, as a low
Speaker 17: pressure trough pulls towards the Blue Mountains. The flashes of
Speaker 17: red across the Greater Sydney area, the South Coast and
Speaker 17: the Illy Warra just indicating the risk of those heavy
Speaker 17: falls ahead of a clearing in a westerly on Friday.
Speaker 17: So there is a change on the way, but still
Speaker 17: Friday is looking nasty, with a risk of flash flooding
Speaker 17: across the central Coast, the Blue Mountains, parts of the
Speaker 17: Illy Warra and then towards the South coast up to
Speaker 17: one hundred and fifty millimeters in twenty four hours on
Speaker 17: Friday into the weekend though an end in sight and
Speaker 17: some very welcome sunshine. The winds are shifting westerly on
Speaker 17: a Saturday morning and this means dry weather for ongoing
Speaker 17: recovery efforts, so there is some clear weather on the
Speaker 17: way across New South Wales.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and of course, sir to those
Speaker 3: watching in the flood affected.
Speaker 2: Is look after yourself. We hope you're safe.
Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, Sophie Elsworth will join us
Speaker 3: live from the UK to fill us in on one of
Speaker 3: the great days in Australian sport. Plus, it's a good
Speaker 3: thing the Victorian government said there'd be no new taxes
Speaker 3: this budget because there's no deuice left to squeeze out
Speaker 3: of the orange. Adam Crachton on the high taxing, high
Speaker 3: spending ridiculousness of the Allen government next. Former RBA Governor
Speaker 3: Philip Lowe has taken a shot at Labour's super tax,
Speaker 3: telling the odds that I'm a supporter of good public
Speaker 3: policy design, but I am not convinced this is an
Speaker 3: example of it. We should be exploring other ways to
Speaker 3: adjust the concessional tax rates on high superbalances. With me
Speaker 3: now to discuss his IPA senior fellow and chief economist
Speaker 3: Adam Crachton.
Speaker 2: Adam, I mean, this is a.
Speaker 3: Pretty extraordinary intervention for Low to come out and say
Speaker 3: he doesn't support this.
Speaker 14: Yeah, certainly, that's right, Philip Row.
Speaker 18: He doesn't often speak out, and he has and he's
Speaker 18: probably scratching his head like most economists are.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 18: You know, this bizarre tax on unrealized gains really came
Speaker 18: out of nowhere.
Speaker 14: A few years ago.
Speaker 18: Thankfully it's still not legislated, but it's extremely disappointing.
Speaker 14: I mean, if the Labor government really.
Speaker 18: Insists on increasing taxes, there are far more efficient and
Speaker 18: better ways to do it. Indeed, Ken Henry, in that
Speaker 18: same article that you just referenced, I mean he said, look,
Speaker 18: fifteen years ago, I had a recommendation for you, and
Speaker 18: you completely ignored it.
Speaker 14: You could have changed the earnings tax arrangement.
Speaker 18: There would have been a no tax on unrealized capital gains.
Speaker 18: But the Labor government has just ignored that, and for
Speaker 18: some strange reason, they insist on this extremely unworkable and
Speaker 18: complicated and very unfair tax. We could only hope that
Speaker 18: it falls apart in the Senate. But look, just a
Speaker 18: more broad point here in Australia. You know, we're having
Speaker 18: this debate about this tax and it's you know, it's
Speaker 18: a fair debate. It's a terrible tax. Let's hope it
Speaker 18: doesn't happen. But the US right now is you know,
Speaker 18: having a huge debate about all you know, about all
Speaker 18: their tax rates, about about all their concessions, all their deductions.
Speaker 14: You know, we need to have a debate like that here.
Speaker 14: I mean, we've.
Speaker 18: Ignored the rest of the you know, the rest of
Speaker 18: the tax system and the election sadly, but it really
Speaker 18: is crying out for reform.
Speaker 3: Well you talk about the rest of the tax system.
Speaker 3: I'll just ask you briefly, because the Productivity Commission this
Speaker 3: week has gone to consultation on the idea of reducing
Speaker 3: the corporate tax rate.
Speaker 2: Is there any merit in that? Do you think?
Speaker 14: Yeah, certainly there is.
Speaker 18: I mean, but the main thing is to reduce tax
Speaker 18: We need to get our spending under control. I mean,
Speaker 18: that's the reason why this government wants this new tax.
Speaker 18: They need to raise seven hundred million in the first year.
Speaker 18: I think something like seven billion dollars a year after
Speaker 18: ten years from this new tax that we've just been
Speaker 18: talking about. And that's because of the out of control
Speaker 18: spending of the NDIS, which is completely out.
Speaker 14: Of control, seven eight percent growth every year.
Speaker 2: And it's not just that.
Speaker 18: There are various government programs that are just growing far
Speaker 18: too fast, far faster than the population, far faster than inflation,
Speaker 18: and we need to get them under control before we can,
Speaker 18: you know, before we can have strong productivity growth in
Speaker 18: this country. We really are in quite a bad way, sadly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and I mean the productivity growth is awful,
Speaker 3: as you will. No, it's on the slide, unlike the
Speaker 3: US at the moment. And I think one of the
Speaker 3: things that we could do to fix that is a
Speaker 3: bit more competitive federalism. But you know, you start talking
Speaker 3: about those sorts of things and people get all scared.
Speaker 3: You know, I've written the advertiser tomorrow. The worst thing
Speaker 3: that ever happened to John Olson when he was Premier
Speaker 3: of South Australia was when he did the deal with
Speaker 3: Motorola to get them to set up shop in Adelaide,
Speaker 3: and in doing so he promised them a government contract
Speaker 3: for the emergency services telecommunications. I mean, the only crime
Speaker 3: he committed as far as I'm concerned, is to get
Speaker 3: business in his state. But we just don't want to
Speaker 3: do these things now.
Speaker 14: The Herald Son had a great art point.
Speaker 3: The Herald Son had a great article today on the
Speaker 3: state of Victoria's debt crisis.
Speaker 2: It included this incredible statistic.
Speaker 3: The Allen Labor government is set to shake down fifty
Speaker 3: billion dollars from residents and businesses by twenty thirty, which
Speaker 3: is a one hundred and seventy three percent increase on
Speaker 3: what the state was taking before.
Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews, I mean, for heaven's sake.
Speaker 14: No, it's just, you know, it really is, you know,
Speaker 14: is scary.
Speaker 18: And despite all of that extraordinary growth in taxation, the
Speaker 18: debt has just grown like topsy.
Speaker 14: I mean, it's worth just highlighting.
Speaker 18: In twenty nineteen, just a few short years ago, net
Speaker 18: debt of Victoria was twenty two billion dollars. It's now
Speaker 18: one hundred and fifty five billion dollars just a few
Speaker 18: years later, and it's going to be more than two
Speaker 18: hundred billion dollars in just.
Speaker 14: A few years.
Speaker 18: I mean, that's the most staggering growth in debt of
Speaker 18: any state in Australian history, and probably have any sub
Speaker 18: subnational government in the world. Ever, it's it's you know,
Speaker 18: it's it's just staggering. And actually, you know it's a
Speaker 18: personal question. I just you know, I just forked out
Speaker 18: fifty thousand dollars to buy place in Melbourne just for
Speaker 18: the you know, just you know, just.
Speaker 14: To buy a home.
Speaker 18: You've got to you know, you've got to pay tens
Speaker 18: of thousands of dollars to the state government.
Speaker 14: I mean, it's you know, it's just absolutely obsane.
Speaker 3: And the other thing as well, for me, is like
Speaker 3: do we not care about debt anymore? You know, Victoria
Speaker 3: is hurtling towards two hundred billion, seems to care, you know,
Speaker 3: the country's going towards a trillion.
Speaker 2: No one seems to care. It's just just not an issue.
Speaker 14: Well, well, it's worth putting it out.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 18: It's an interesting point, and this is in my column
Speaker 18: tomorrow in The Australian, is that the Victorians maybe they're
Speaker 18: smarter than we think. Ultimately that state dead is the
Speaker 18: Commonwealth's responsibilities. I mean, there is no way the Commonwealth
Speaker 18: would ever let any state to actually default on it's dead.
Speaker 18: And so I think the people running a Victorian know
Speaker 18: that that ultimately this is the commonwealths problem. So you know,
Speaker 18: it's fashionable and fun and I engage in it to
Speaker 18: make fun of Victorians the voting this government in but
Speaker 18: ultimately what they're doing is being subsidized by the rest
Speaker 18: of the country. So you know, it's it's all of
Speaker 18: our problem, it's your problem too. In South Australia cutup.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well everyone else has been doing it for a
Speaker 3: very long time, very quickly. The federal counterpart, of course,
Speaker 3: the Labor Party, is well behind on their one point
Speaker 3: two million dollar housing target. Only ninety thousand homes built
Speaker 3: between July and Desceme the last year. If they want
Speaker 3: to get one point twenty twenty nine, that's two hundred
Speaker 3: and forty thousand annually.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's never going to happen.
Speaker 18: Yeah, well, look I don't like making forecasts, but that's
Speaker 18: certainly not going to happen. It's already twenty five percent behind,
Speaker 18: and the IPA has done some research that verifies that
Speaker 18: story you just talked about.
Speaker 14: I mean, it's woefully behind.
Speaker 18: This is just all political rhetoric and you know, it
Speaker 18: reminds me of New Zealand just across the Tasman when
Speaker 18: Jacinda Arderne said she'd build one hundred thousand houses and
Speaker 18: after three years she built about two hundred and forty eight.
Speaker 18: And this is a problem that you know, governments have
Speaker 18: all around the world. You know, they make these targets
Speaker 18: and these promises and they are never fulfilled.
Speaker 14: It's just about winning elections, sadly.
Speaker 18: And you know another interesting thing, you know, we have this,
Speaker 18: you know, always design to build on hundreds of thousands
Speaker 18: of homes, but we're not importing any tradesmen. You know,
Speaker 18: we don't have skilled tradesmen coming into the country.
Speaker 3: And they weren't even they weren't even they weren't even
Speaker 3: at the top of the list until very recently. The
Speaker 3: workers that we want from over so great, It's very true.
Speaker 3: Always thank you mate. After the break one of the
Speaker 3: great days in the history of Australian soccer or football.
Speaker 2: I will call it before.
Speaker 3: I receive any hate mail. Sophie Ilsworth explains why next. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm not much of a soccer person. I'm far more
Speaker 3: partial as many of you would know to Ozzie rules
Speaker 3: go you crows, but even I can admit it has
Speaker 3: been a huge day for Ossie Sport. With our own
Speaker 3: ange posta Cooglu becoming the first Australian manager to win
Speaker 3: a European Cup in soccer.
Speaker 2: He was the moment Dorry.
Speaker 1: Dory Tottenham Hotspa.
Speaker 14: Pasta Cottu post delivered.
Speaker 10: Has he promised he would?
Speaker 3: News Corp Europe correspondent Sophie Elsworth joins me. Now, Sophie,
Speaker 3: you're at Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium right now.
Speaker 2: How's the mood outside.
Speaker 6: O Caleb.
Speaker 19: You can just see the fans. They're walking up and
Speaker 19: down the streets here. Many are wearing their Tottenham you know,
Speaker 19: jumpers and hats and they're just over the moon with
Speaker 19: the result last night. It was absolutely electric here in London.
Speaker 19: I was at a pub in central London that was
Speaker 19: jam packed with Tottenham fans just hoping for.
Speaker 6: This victory, Caleb.
Speaker 19: They've waited over six thousand days for a piece of silverware.
Speaker 19: It's been a long time between drinks for the club
Speaker 19: to come home.
Speaker 6: With some silverware.
Speaker 19: And just on the back of the London Sun today
Speaker 19: I have this great headline saying deliver rou a fantastic
Speaker 19: headline with ange on the back there.
Speaker 6: He's really gone, Caleb, from a villain to a hero.
Speaker 6: A lot of the media have.
Speaker 19: A combative relationship with him, but he proved them all
Speaker 19: wrong overnight with taking out this victory against Manchester United
Speaker 19: in Spain. So this is a very happy moment for
Speaker 19: Tottenham down here in North London.
Speaker 3: Well, it seems to have been chronically underestimated, and even
Speaker 3: as I said before, someone doesn't pay a great deal
Speaker 3: of attention to soccer as him being an Aussie, I
Speaker 3: paid some attention to him and he seems to have
Speaker 3: been underestimated his whole career. But you give him time
Speaker 3: and he can deliver. But they're still having discussions about
Speaker 3: whether or not he's likely to stay.
Speaker 2: On as manager or not. On what more could you
Speaker 2: possibly do?
Speaker 19: Well, absolutely, I mean this was such an important moment
Speaker 19: in his career and he's delivered the goods Caleb So
Speaker 19: but he's not out of the woods yet because they
Speaker 19: are seventeenth on the English Premier League ladder.
Speaker 6: They've got their last.
Speaker 19: Game here on Sunday against Brighton and there's still questions
Speaker 19: on whether he can maintain his role at the club
Speaker 19: because they've had such a disastrous English Premier League season.
Speaker 19: So while he's had this victory, he's not completely out
Speaker 19: of the woods.
Speaker 6: But he was very combative with the media this week.
Speaker 19: One journalist in one of the papers here basically wrote
Speaker 19: that he was a clown if he didn't come home
Speaker 19: with the goods.
Speaker 6: He's proved them wrong, Caleb.
Speaker 19: So this is a massive moment for angepostera Cooglu, who
Speaker 19: as we know, moved.
Speaker 6: To Australia at age five.
Speaker 19: Incredible career and at fifty nine to win this trophy
Speaker 19: is a magnificent result.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: And to borrow some lingo from another sport, he's got
Speaker 3: the runs on the board, so you can't argue with that. Now,
Speaker 3: let's talk some other UK news. This is very similar
Speaker 3: to what's happening with energy rebates here in Australia. But
Speaker 3: so Kir's starmer has reversed his decision to cut millions
Speaker 3: of pensioners off of the winter fuel payments. What exactly
Speaker 3: are these winter fuel payments and why didn't he want
Speaker 3: to give them to pensioners?
Speaker 19: So, Caleb, they're basically, you know, credits have up to
Speaker 19: three hundred pounds to pensioners to basically help them cope
Speaker 19: with the rising cost of electricity over here. And the
Speaker 19: government's been chewing and growing about this. They said it
Speaker 19: was going to be means tested. But then we had
Speaker 19: the UK Council elections which was an absolute horror show
Speaker 19: for the Conservative Party and the Labor Government, with reform
Speaker 19: really coming out on top of those council elections, and
Speaker 19: many said that the scaling back of this winter subsidy
Speaker 19: payment was the reasoning that he turned away from Labor.
Speaker 19: So we don't know what the actual U turn exactly is,
Speaker 19: but this has been very bad for Kirs Starmer and
Speaker 19: he's had to really turn around and change this because
Speaker 19: the means testing was met with a lot of disgust
Speaker 19: from many politicians, including those within his own party, and
Speaker 19: many pensioners who thought they were eligible that were suddenly
Speaker 19: not eligible.
Speaker 3: Just quickly, Sophie, what we're talking about benefits. Eleaked memo
Speaker 3: showed that the UK Dippity PM Angela Rayner wanted to
Speaker 3: crack down on immigration and the benefits that immigrants are
Speaker 3: receiving from the UK government. I mean it goes to show,
Speaker 3: after of course, what we saw from Suqui last week,
Speaker 3: the Labor Party is really spooked by reform at the moment.
Speaker 19: Absolutely, Caleb, they are absolutely spooked. As I've said many
Speaker 19: times on sky Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has all
Speaker 19: the momentum and migration is a hot issue.
Speaker 6: We do have new figures out today.
Speaker 19: I have net migration which showed it has halved in
Speaker 19: the last year. So that is one positive for the
Speaker 19: Labor government, but still a very long way to go
Speaker 19: on this Caleb, and a hot issue that keeps making
Speaker 19: headlines here in the UK day in, day out.
Speaker 3: Indeed, so feels worth thank you so much for your time. Now,
Speaker 3: how Australian is this? A bloke finishing up in the
Speaker 3: WA Parliament yesterday gave his valedictory speech and.
Speaker 2: Then he did this. He did a shoey.
Speaker 3: We've got the photo here for you, right, you pour
Speaker 3: a drink in the shoe and drink it out of
Speaker 3: the shoe. And he did that on the floor of
Speaker 3: parliament in Western Australia. And he looks like a Rossi
Speaker 3: bloke too. And I'll tell you someone who I've seen
Speaker 3: do a shoey a few times. He may even do
Speaker 3: one for you tonight if you're lucky. That's Paul Murray here.
Speaker 14: He is