Speaker 1: One of the first moments I realized I was in
Speaker 1: love with him was ready. We are at a dance
Speaker 1: party and the you know, classic kind of laser lights.
Speaker 2: All through the room, the smoking room, and he said
Speaker 2: to me, do you know why we see color?
Speaker 1: He explained color to me, and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to
Speaker 3: acknowledge the Gadiger people of the or nation, the traditional
Speaker 3: custodians of this land, and pay our respects to the elders,
Speaker 3: both past and present.
Speaker 4: I'm Ali Daddo.
Speaker 5: I'm Cameron Daddo sitting beside Ali Daddow.
Speaker 4: I'm good, feeling good today.
Speaker 6: I'm feeling good today.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 4: That's your question.
Speaker 2: You're feeling good, You're ready to go.
Speaker 4: Let's go.
Speaker 7: Why do we have a chat with someone.
Speaker 6: In the bathroom with us?
Speaker 3: Well, our guest today know a lot actually about the
Speaker 3: entertainment business, radio, TV and film.
Speaker 5: Plus do you sing, writing, performing, comedy, drama, everything in between.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Between them, they've covered pretty much every aspect and they've
Speaker 3: had amazing success as well.
Speaker 5: Joe Stanley was discovered performing stand up comedy in a
Speaker 5: dingy Melbourne pub in the early two thousands and has
Speaker 5: risen to become a household name. She enjoyed enormous success,
Speaker 5: having the most listened to radio show in the country
Speaker 5: with a Hopping I Say Hopping Yeah, six years at
Speaker 5: number one. It's huge, which has led to building broad Radio,
Speaker 5: Australia's first radio network for women by women.
Speaker 3: I'm very excited to talk to both of them about it.
Speaker 4: Actually.
Speaker 3: Joe is still a co host of the House of
Speaker 3: Wellness on Channel seven and she's the creator of Play
Speaker 3: Like a Girl, a book series for readers age eight
Speaker 3: to ten about an under eleven girls footy team. And
Speaker 3: in the spirit of being a relationship show, we're keeping
Speaker 3: things balanced of course, because she's married to the fabulous
Speaker 3: Darren McFarland.
Speaker 5: So Darren's a highly experienced senior producer. He's taken his
Speaker 5: producing skills to radio, to film and to TV, working
Speaker 5: on projects with performers like Simon Baker, Jack Thompson and
Speaker 5: Our Bathroom Powers, the fabulous Clayton.
Speaker 6: And Shane We love them right, Darren also Honey.
Speaker 5: He produced Leewonell and James WARN's short film Sare Oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've never seen it.
Speaker 4: Too scary for me, it's scary.
Speaker 5: So they took that short to Hollywood and used it
Speaker 5: as a proof of concept, and that launched their horror
Speaker 5: franchise I Happy Got ten percent True.
Speaker 3: So Darren's also partnered with Joe on broad radio. It's
Speaker 3: their new baby together. So let's find out more about
Speaker 3: these two super achievers.
Speaker 5: Darren McFarlane, Joe Darren, Welcome to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: Oh, we love being in your bathroom than having us.
Speaker 7: It's nice and spacious.
Speaker 5: It's spacious and it's sanitary.
Speaker 6: Keep it clean. Hey, Joe. When we were getting all
Speaker 6: the good goths.
Speaker 5: Together for our chat, I discovered that Stanley is a
Speaker 5: stage name.
Speaker 6: You're actually a Bailey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is correct, Diana Bailey.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember.
Speaker 1: We probably started our careers at similar times back in
Speaker 1: the early nineties where there was this thing where they
Speaker 1: said you couldn't have more than one person with the
Speaker 1: same surname in like registered with Actors Equity.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if that was a thing anyway.
Speaker 1: Joe Bailey, who is now Joe sylvani Yes, was on
Speaker 1: Sale the Century at the time, still on chemist Warehouse,
Speaker 1: as though she and I worked together all the time
Speaker 1: because I do House of Wellness and she the other
Speaker 1: work there.
Speaker 2: So yes, we see each other at time.
Speaker 4: Really really love that.
Speaker 3: When we moved back from America, I was like, look,
Speaker 3: she's still on TV doing the ads.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Like that's consistency, it's good.
Speaker 6: So you've got the choice of three names. Then you
Speaker 6: can do Stanley, McFarlane or Bailey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never used arline.
Speaker 7: Do you get Darren Stanley? Yeah, right, Darren, two first
Speaker 7: names exactly.
Speaker 1: He's okay to take my you know, we'll go to
Speaker 1: like a lunch or somewhere and they've got my name,
Speaker 1: and then because he's my plus one, they assume that
Speaker 1: he's mister Stanley toy boy.
Speaker 5: Yes, could be convenient in some certain situations, you know,
Speaker 5: mister Stanley.
Speaker 6: Yes, as you're doing something completely illegal.
Speaker 7: Yes, that always works.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 3: We always ask the same questions of our couples because
Speaker 3: we love to know how did you two first meet
Speaker 3: and it was your first impression of each other?
Speaker 1: Well, it is a story that we tell often because
Speaker 1: it makes me laugh. So I was working at Rmuti
Speaker 1: University in Melbourne. I was producing student theater there, so
Speaker 1: you know, very young. It was my first full time
Speaker 1: job actually, so I guess I was twenty five something
Speaker 1: like that, and Daz had just transferred there. He was
Speaker 1: doing a PhD in chemical engineering. There a smart cookie,
Speaker 1: I know. And so I was running auditions for a play,
Speaker 1: a student theater play, and Das I can say, I'm
Speaker 1: stealing his thunder, but it makes me laugh because he
Speaker 1: saw the advertisement for auditions and he saw it and thought, oh,
Speaker 1: I should audition for that because artie Chicks put out.
Speaker 1: He just transferred to the university. He didn't know anyone anyway,
Speaker 1: so he I remember the very first time I saw him.
Speaker 1: It was on the stage at the collide Armental Union
Speaker 1: Theater and he was wearing a green lime green added
Speaker 1: as muscle shirt and blue shiny lime correct navy blue
Speaker 1: shiny track suit.
Speaker 7: Pants right dick stickers in the Northern Beaches in my
Speaker 7: top notch, and.
Speaker 3: They also give out a lot of statically Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There was something about him, and I will never forget
Speaker 1: seeing him there with his cheeky little green and he
Speaker 1: could not actually save himself, but we were light on
Speaker 1: for guys, so I said WI should cast him.
Speaker 2: He ended up playing two characters.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was a terrible actor, but there was only
Speaker 7: three guys who auditioned for ten rolls, So I got
Speaker 7: three rolls.
Speaker 6: And you're still rocking the Adidas satire today. We're still
Speaker 6: working for you.
Speaker 3: How about you?
Speaker 4: How about you, Daran? What do you remember about Joe?
Speaker 7: Well, for me, it was well, instantly when I saw her,
Speaker 7: I was like, holy, I was quite drawn instantly. But
Speaker 7: for me, it was it was just that her energy,
Speaker 7: her smile, and you know I was yeah, I was
Speaker 7: just it was just an instant attraction for me. Always laughing,
Speaker 7: always smiling, which was a nice positive from the previous
Speaker 7: relationship I was.
Speaker 8: In well to that?
Speaker 5: Then to that, and what's something that you discovered about
Speaker 5: each other that you didn't expect after getting together?
Speaker 1: I would just like to make the point that perhaps
Speaker 1: I got him on a on a low.
Speaker 7: Just kicked in her ex boyfriend's door, so I thought, okay,
Speaker 7: that this is a good time to meet. Yeah, we
Speaker 7: didn't have motion.
Speaker 1: Of compare each other too, perhaps, so yeah, what was
Speaker 1: the question?
Speaker 8: The question?
Speaker 5: The question was it was was there something you discovered
Speaker 5: that you didn't expect.
Speaker 6: After after that? You after you've got together.
Speaker 2: I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Think the reason we're still together is because we both
Speaker 1: learning people. We like to learn, and we learn about
Speaker 1: the world, and we grow very much together and learn
Speaker 1: about each other throughout the last twenty seven years or so.
Speaker 2: But I guess, well, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I was completely surprised because he was doing a PhD
Speaker 1: in chemical engineering, and so I thought I was going
Speaker 1: to marry a doctor when we got engaged, and I
Speaker 1: was super excited because I was like, yes, it took
Speaker 1: him a long time to finish that PhD.
Speaker 7: Ten years, yes, ten years.
Speaker 1: And when he finally finished, I was like, awesome, Now
Speaker 1: you're going to get a job as an engineer and
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: This eddy job, that's it.
Speaker 1: And this is before I was in radio, so you know,
Speaker 1: we were pretty like, you know, we were the kind
Speaker 1: of couple that couldn't afford meat every night of the week.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: So I was like, awesome, now finally he's finished his PhD.
Speaker 1: He can go and get a job as a chemical engineer.
Speaker 1: And he said to me the next day, you know what, honey,
Speaker 1: I don't think I want to be an engineer. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is a surprise. Learning something to
Speaker 1: your point camp and he said, yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna produce dance parties.
Speaker 7: Very lucrative dance parties.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I imagine that's me's in those days were Yeah,
Speaker 9: it's not a career that you go no, okay.
Speaker 2: And then he finishes two years of that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, great, now we're going to be an engineer
Speaker 1: and he says, no, I think I'm going to be
Speaker 1: a filmmaker. I'm like, oh my god, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be broke forever.
Speaker 7: And I'm going to start at the bottom and work
Speaker 7: my way up assistant to the third idea, well even
Speaker 7: lower running for quite some time.
Speaker 4: There you go, Yeah, that's the worst of the worst.
Speaker 7: Well, for me with Joe, it was the emotional intelligence
Speaker 7: because when we met, I was just a classic, you know,
Speaker 7: twenty eight year old like with not really well connected
Speaker 7: to his emotions. And for me, I just learnt emotional
Speaker 7: intelligence through our relationship with her, And yeah, it was
Speaker 7: amazing to sort of just learn empathy and all those
Speaker 7: sorts emotions which were deep buried in my chest somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were in there somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 3: What I mean, how did you you made?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What was it about this the PhD and then flipping
Speaker 3: like that out of that was it just that's a
Speaker 3: long that's a long time sad to make it.
Speaker 7: Do you know what it was? I always wanted to
Speaker 7: do film and TV, like ever since I was ten.
Speaker 7: When I saw Star Wars with Dad, I just went,
Speaker 7: this is it. This is what I want to do.
Speaker 7: But I grew up in a country town and I
Speaker 7: have parents who are very working class, who really sort
Speaker 7: of emphasized, you've got to do your math sciences, You've
Speaker 7: got to do this, You've got to university, do a PhD.
Speaker 7: You know, really go that pathway. So they were pretty
Speaker 7: disappointed when I end up doing dance parties.
Speaker 1: But I think you were a child of the eighties
Speaker 1: and that countrytown mentality where boys did maths and science. No,
Speaker 1: boys did not become creative, so they did not make things.
Speaker 1: And so because he's super clever, it was something that
Speaker 1: he just kind of followed the next step and the
Speaker 1: next step and the next step, so eventually he's on
Speaker 1: this PhD pathway. And I have to tell to you
Speaker 1: it's is one of the things that really I found
Speaker 1: very attractive about him. But what since then I've learned
Speaker 1: he I mean, how amazing is that at the age
Speaker 1: of I don't know what were you were, thirty something,
Speaker 1: you just said, I'm going to start at the bottom
Speaker 1: and I'm going to work my butt off and really
Speaker 1: forge your career in something I'm passionate about. And I
Speaker 1: don't care what people say it, I don't care how
Speaker 1: many challenges I face. And what a great role model
Speaker 1: that is for our daughter. What an incredible story that
Speaker 1: is for someone who just goes, I'm going to you're
Speaker 1: never too old to follow your dream.
Speaker 2: From that point of view, I'm so proud of him.
Speaker 1: And he's an outstanding producer, like incredible producer.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that interesting thing. I've really torn between, you know,
Speaker 7: doing what was drummed into me as a young man
Speaker 7: or young person of you know, you have to support
Speaker 7: your family, you have to support your wife, and all
Speaker 7: that sort.
Speaker 2: Of mind a bad thing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well it's not that I'm against that, but you know,
Speaker 7: they're very sort of mucho sort of imprint planted. And
Speaker 7: then for me it was going, well, hang on, I
Speaker 7: want to do what it inspires me, what I love,
Speaker 7: and I know a path of you know, the arts
Speaker 7: and creativity is not lucrative but it's what you know
Speaker 7: fills my soul and makes me happy, and you know,
Speaker 7: which is why this pathway for us, it's to broad radio,
Speaker 7: has been so fulfilling because this is what we've always
Speaker 7: been and always continued to do. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: I love that because so many people would have stayed
Speaker 3: in that engineering job and just sort of had a
Speaker 3: life of wishing you know, and you and you didn't.
Speaker 4: I think it's awesome.
Speaker 5: Also, also what strikes me is the discipline of doing
Speaker 5: a PhD and what you or how you learnt and
Speaker 5: how you could apply that skill of learning, because that's
Speaker 5: what I'm trying to teach that our kids. Is like
Speaker 5: guess school, you get to learn reading, writing, history, all
Speaker 5: those sort of things, but it's more about learning how
Speaker 5: to learn.
Speaker 7: And so yeah, that was one of the big things
Speaker 7: I learned because I actually went over to Brussels to
Speaker 7: study for a year and that was the thing that
Speaker 7: I learned from my supervisor over there was just you know,
Speaker 7: the whole process is about learning to learn, like how
Speaker 7: to find the answers. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 7: also which I think is quite but now, which is
Speaker 7: it's a pathway of mistake mistake, mistake, mistake to find
Speaker 7: what works and what doesn't work, which is you know,
Speaker 7: you know, learned by doing and learned by making mistakes.
Speaker 1: And I would say, I would say from the point
Speaker 1: of view of me, like, I'm a stand at comedian
Speaker 1: who found myself in radio, and then I was a
Speaker 1: radio broadcaster who found myself as a startup founder, right,
Speaker 1: and certainly developing and building a tech company and a
Speaker 1: media company was not something I ever thought I would do.
Speaker 2: It turns out it's quite hard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, learn.
Speaker 1: What I have discovered is exactly that that if everything
Speaker 1: is a hypothesis and an experiment is actually no failure,
Speaker 1: what there is is learnings and going, oh, that didn't work,
Speaker 1: or I'll try something different.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that did work and I didn't expect it would,
Speaker 2: so let's do more of that.
Speaker 1: And if that is not a lesson for life, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is.
Speaker 7: Like.
Speaker 2: I just think that's a beautiful way of living.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: In fact, one of the questions that we have for
Speaker 3: you was what role does failure play in your success?
Speaker 3: And how have you dealt with setbacks in your career?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we've had plenty both as an eye
Speaker 1: and it's pretty. You know, it's heartbreaking when you have
Speaker 1: those moments where what you're working towards you have the
Speaker 1: drug pulled out from under you. But I think I've
Speaker 1: changed my sense of self over the last few years
Speaker 1: such that I don't need I don't need external success
Speaker 1: to feel like I'm a good person and to like
Speaker 1: who I am, right, and that, Allie, you would know
Speaker 1: that comes.
Speaker 10: With age, I know, but there's I think there's a
Speaker 10: thing that happens for women as we go through our
Speaker 10: forty and getting into our fifties, that we suddenly free
Speaker 10: ourselves from that external validation that we seek.
Speaker 2: As younger women and teenage girls.
Speaker 1: Where we just think we have to be thin, we
Speaker 1: have to be beautiful, we have to be a popular person,
Speaker 1: we have to please everybody, we have to be amenable.
Speaker 1: Well you know what, fuck that, right, Because I'm in
Speaker 1: my fifties now and I'm being who I am and
Speaker 1: stepping into my power and oh my god, the difference, Sally,
Speaker 1: you can attest to it huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm definitely the most confident and happy in myself
Speaker 3: than I've ever been that I can remember, you know,
Speaker 3: And I'm my body is hot, it wrinkly and dimply
Speaker 3: from neck to me. And it's like, because now my
Speaker 3: goal is now my goal is like, Okay, what do
Speaker 3: I want the rest of my life to feel like?
Speaker 3: Not like, you know, I want to be fit and
Speaker 3: strong for my grandkids, not like I want to be
Speaker 3: a six for my grandkids. You know, it's none of that.
Speaker 3: It's like what do I want to be? And like
Speaker 3: what else do I want to do with my life?
Speaker 3: I just didn't have that confidence to think I could
Speaker 3: swap and change and learn more. I know it's just
Speaker 3: to all come from age.
Speaker 7: And that's the whole thing too. There's no you know,
Speaker 7: there's no age where you go. It's over. Like you
Speaker 7: look at people like Jackie Weaver, who Hollywood Careers started
Speaker 7: at sixty, and look at one of our hosts, Tracy Hutchinson,
Speaker 7: who's just turned sixty two, and you know, she's just
Speaker 7: got this great role with us on broad radio and
Speaker 7: she's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do wonder I have a question. I know
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to be asking the question.
Speaker 6: This works best as a conversation.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I'm just so fascinated.
Speaker 1: Then if you know you've got two women who are
Speaker 1: agreeing that this is an extraordinary time for us in
Speaker 1: our lives in a way that I think is different
Speaker 1: for men. And then two men who love these women,
Speaker 1: What is it like seeing women that you love step
Speaker 1: into their power like that?
Speaker 7: Oh, it's great, it's exciting, and I'm done.
Speaker 8: I wasn't going to put into you there, Princess Cruises.
Speaker 6: Maxuly speaking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's been a it's been an
Speaker 5: interesting evolution in terms of watching ol step into her
Speaker 5: into her power. It's fantastic and it's sexy and yet
Speaker 5: and yet at the same time where it's the moment
Speaker 5: where it's like, who are you? That's not what I'm
Speaker 5: used to, That's not what So there's that transitional going oh,
Speaker 5: hang on a second, Yeah, this is this is where
Speaker 5: we change.
Speaker 6: And I have had to go.
Speaker 5: Back into myself and and go, okay, no, this is
Speaker 5: a moment where our's evolving. We all changed. That's and
Speaker 5: so it's been a really great process. One of the
Speaker 5: things that really stepped it up for me was Ali
Speaker 5: writing her book on menopause and watching her determination and
Speaker 5: just her grit to sit down and sift through a
Speaker 5: ton of information and then distill that information into this
Speaker 5: wonderful book, you know, and go, this is my wife.
Speaker 6: Now she's not. This is who she is, and she's teaching.
Speaker 5: And she's making dinner and she's taking parenting and being
Speaker 5: my wife at the same time. So it was a
Speaker 5: it's been a great lesson in watching someone change and
Speaker 5: evolve and step in and that's exciting.
Speaker 7: Yes, But isn't that And I just want to say,
Speaker 7: diddo to me.
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1: And I wonder if you know relationships, because of course
Speaker 1: we all grow and change over the years, right and
Speaker 1: if you're not, there's something wrong obviously, But I wonder
Speaker 1: if and I'm not going to suggest that we.
Speaker 2: Are a perfect relationship at all.
Speaker 1: And I also don't want to suggest that relationships that
Speaker 1: end are failed relationships.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really important point for me. But I
Speaker 1: do wonder if relationships that last longer are because when
Speaker 1: someone changes, like you, can you identify there that it
Speaker 1: is a bit confronting to go, oh, this is my
Speaker 1: wife that you're able to go, Okay, interesting, let's explore
Speaker 1: and be curious and accepting and open hearted about that
Speaker 1: rather than going, hang on a minute, that's not who
Speaker 1: I thought you were, and now my life's changed, and
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, because I think it can be super confronting.
Speaker 3: I know, I've got one of my closest friends, like
Speaker 3: as she hit menopause and just started to reframe her
Speaker 3: whole life, and she became incredibly she started lifting weights
Speaker 3: and lost all this weight and became really fit, and
Speaker 3: her husband at the time was like, I can't no,
Speaker 3: You're not the same person anymore. You feel strong and different,
Speaker 3: and she's like, I'm not going back, and that was
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 4: Of the relationship. Yeah, you know, so that does certainly
Speaker 4: it can be difficult. You know.
Speaker 5: The other word that comes to mind is acceptance as well,
Speaker 5: and that's just being okay, well, let me accept what
Speaker 5: that is and allowing for change to happen. And then,
Speaker 5: as you use the word curious, that's a big part of.
Speaker 6: What I you know, how I look at the world.
Speaker 5: I like to think that I do is be curious
Speaker 5: about the people and certainly about my own feelings towards things,
Speaker 5: and then have a response to that and move forward
Speaker 5: from there. So it is about accepting and then choosing,
Speaker 5: because we all get to make a choice, don't we.
Speaker 2: Know, so true, so true.
Speaker 1: And you know, Daz with all of his explorations, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be don't Party producer and now I'm going
Speaker 1: to hear a filmmaker. And you know, I went from
Speaker 1: being like a theater producer into radio and you know,
Speaker 1: we change and evolved for many in many different ways
Speaker 1: over the last twenty one so years. But thankfully I
Speaker 1: really liked dance party music.
Speaker 2: That was the first thing.
Speaker 1: I was, oh yeah, But you know, if I hated
Speaker 1: that kind of music, it might have been different. But
Speaker 1: I love learning new things about my partner and that.
Speaker 2: Just I guess that stops it from being stagnant. I hope,
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 3: How do you feel that the landscape of Australian media
Speaker 3: has changed since you both first started, and especially for women?
Speaker 3: Have you've seen it be broader and better for women now?
Speaker 1: I think most definitely it is shifting. It's very different now.
Speaker 1: I mean you see on the Project some nights there's
Speaker 1: four women on the pawel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that would never have happened.
Speaker 1: You know, even five years ago, I don't think that
Speaker 1: was happening. So that shift is quite profound. But I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot that's still the same since when
Speaker 1: I was I mean, you know, I did Breakfast Radio
Speaker 1: on Fox FM.
Speaker 2: Teh.
Speaker 1: I finished that twenty thirteen, finished Old twenty seventeen. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a long seven I can't do some that's his job.
Speaker 7: Eleven years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I don't think it's changed enough. Let's
Speaker 2: just say that.
Speaker 1: And I think that in some parts of the media,
Speaker 1: we're very aware of the importance of diverse voices and
Speaker 1: having those really interesting different stories and different voices. But
Speaker 1: I think in many other parts of the media, there's
Speaker 1: just no one really cares that.
Speaker 7: Much about it. Yeah. Look in film and TV, I
Speaker 7: have noticed, you know, when I started in the two
Speaker 7: thousands and nineties, it was very male set, with the
Speaker 7: traditional roles of makeup and wardrobe were with the women.
Speaker 7: Now I'm on set and it's almost fifty to fifty.
Speaker 7: In fact, I've been on shoots where it was sixty forty,
Speaker 7: you know, in favor of you know, our female technicians.
Speaker 7: So it's great and a huge since me too, huge change,
Speaker 7: A huge change that also needed to happen, you know
Speaker 7: what I.
Speaker 1: Love because especially during Lockdown, Das does a lot of
Speaker 1: mentoring of writers and you know, play screenwriters, and I'll
Speaker 1: hear him on the zoom and they've sent him some
Speaker 1: script which is fairly you know, let's say, generic, and
Speaker 1: could do.
Speaker 7: With some very very first draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could do some interesting ideas. And I hear
Speaker 1: him say almost every time because they're usually male player,
Speaker 1: right sorry, mass screenwriters will say, what if that character
Speaker 1: is a woman.
Speaker 2: And you see these men reel.
Speaker 1: Back and just go whoa, Hang on a second, it's
Speaker 1: like a bounty hunter.
Speaker 3: Who's a woman who's so strong?
Speaker 2: Not yet, but it is instantly more interesting, right yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all love the underdog story and
Speaker 7: just how much more interesting is that? And we've already
Speaker 7: seen the men play the roles since god knows when
Speaker 7: that's right?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Well what's the what's the next big challenge
Speaker 5: or issue in gender equality? You mentioned me too, So
Speaker 5: is there another step to go?
Speaker 6: Where do you guys see that?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 1: I always like to say because when I did radio,
Speaker 1: I you know, was always me with two blokes on
Speaker 1: pretty much very me too, and I very much loved
Speaker 1: those blokes.
Speaker 2: I love them.
Speaker 1: I had the best time, continue to have the best
Speaker 1: time whenever I broadcast with those sorts of men, and
Speaker 1: they are still my best friends.
Speaker 2: But it's the reversal of that. I think, would you
Speaker 2: know that would be great to see.
Speaker 1: I guess like a gender and even gender split would
Speaker 1: be good. But for me also, it was about the
Speaker 1: fact that all of the women who were on air
Speaker 1: all looked like me. They were all white cis gender women, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I tried my best to use.
Speaker 2: The one microphone.
Speaker 1: I had to be a voice on behalf of of
Speaker 1: women and diverse voices. But it's not up to me
Speaker 1: to speak for those people. So in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: one of the reasons we're building broad radio is to
Speaker 1: turn my one microphone into one hundred microphones and to
Speaker 1: really kind of center the voices that we don't hear.
Speaker 1: I feel like the term mainstream media often is a
Speaker 1: little misleading because it implies into the majority.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's true.
Speaker 1: I think if we look at the people we go
Speaker 1: to footy with and go to school with and work with,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just not our community. And I
Speaker 1: am excited to hear different stories and different perspectives, and
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean just female or gender diverse.
Speaker 2: That means all kinds of voices.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, amazing.
Speaker 3: So what was is that basically your inspiration for launching
Speaker 3: the platform broad radio or was there something even more
Speaker 3: specific that wanted you to that you both wanted to launch.
Speaker 1: Well, actually it came to me in a meditation, which
Speaker 1: is very woo woo we love.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just had this sense.
Speaker 1: That there could be you know, I've spent many years
Speaker 1: witnessing and being a part of the transformative power of radio,
Speaker 1: of that ability to shift a person's day, to tell
Speaker 1: a story that means that the people listening feel like
Speaker 1: they matter, like it reflects their lives. And so I
Speaker 1: was sort of looking around. I was in my mid
Speaker 1: forties and you know, wanted to hear radio that reflected
Speaker 1: my life stage. And I couldn't find it, and I thought,
Speaker 1: hang on a minute, there are I did the research.
Speaker 1: In fact, five million women in Australia who are over
Speaker 1: thirty five and in that life stage that really messy.
Speaker 2: Kind of it's joyous, but it's chaotic.
Speaker 1: You know, you've got you know, maybe young kids or
Speaker 1: teen kids, or kids sort of moving out of home,
Speaker 1: so you're dealing with that empty nesty. You've got aging parents,
Speaker 1: you've got a career that's really full on that you
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: You're trying to joggle it all.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're just newly single, maybe you're in.
Speaker 2: A difficult relationship.
Speaker 1: All this stuff is happening, but nothing's kind of reflecting
Speaker 1: that life in a radio sense. And I just am
Speaker 1: so passionate about the medium and have witnessed how it
Speaker 1: can change not just an individual but actually a conversation.
Speaker 2: And for me, if.
Speaker 1: You were reflecting those various stories, then you're actually giving
Speaker 1: space for them to be those people in the stories
Speaker 1: to be heard and seen and therefore happier and healthier.
Speaker 1: And so our vision is using radio as sort of
Speaker 1: a lever for change, to create women who are happy, healthy,
Speaker 1: and to support their pursuit of fearlessness.
Speaker 2: That's what we want.
Speaker 6: Wow in a nutshell, Ye, I've.
Speaker 1: Spent a long time meditating on that.
Speaker 3: For you, Darren, so did Joe bring this idea to you?
Speaker 3: And you did, let's do it.
Speaker 7: Look For me, it was more a case of and
Speaker 7: obviously I believe in support all those things. For me,
Speaker 7: it's you know, being a co founder is a very lonely,
Speaker 7: tough journey, and for me, watching Joe go on this
Speaker 7: journey of trying to put everything she has into this startup.
Speaker 7: Was I was, you know, she needed help, needed support,
Speaker 7: and I just wanted to be there for her. And
Speaker 7: just to have someone you can implicitly trust to have
Speaker 7: your back no matter what was really important to me.
Speaker 7: And so you know that's why we're here as a duo.
Speaker 5: What's a piece of advice that you would give a
Speaker 5: younger person, any have, any gender who's struggling with confidence
Speaker 5: in their careers or their personal lives.
Speaker 1: Well, biggie, I mean, I feel like I'm writing a
Speaker 1: book about that. Actually I am sort of putting notes
Speaker 1: away because.
Speaker 2: I think that I've learned. I was too.
Speaker 1: Even on you know, when I was doing radio and
Speaker 1: I was Breakfast Radio number one for a long time,
Speaker 1: people would assume that I was kind of sitting in
Speaker 1: my power at that time, but I was very amenable.
Speaker 2: I was very willing.
Speaker 1: You know, women are people please as naturally, I think,
Speaker 1: and I didn't kind of advocate for myself because I
Speaker 1: didn't know how, and so I thought I'd just be
Speaker 1: really nice and work really hard and I'd get noticed
Speaker 1: enough and I would and people would see me, but
Speaker 1: they didn't. I never felt properly seen and I think
Speaker 1: what I've learned, and it's a muscle you have to start.
Speaker 2: Using as soon as you can, as soon as you.
Speaker 1: Can identify it as a teenager, as a you know,
Speaker 1: in your twenties, exercise that muscle where you say this.
Speaker 2: Is me, I need to do it this way.
Speaker 1: I respectfully say thank you, but no, you know, all
Speaker 1: of those sorts of phrases that you can learn and practice,
Speaker 1: and it's always going to feel that sick making in
Speaker 1: the guss when you kind of speak up for yourself.
Speaker 1: It's always going to feel like that. You have to
Speaker 1: just practice it. It's a muscle, and yet by bit
Speaker 1: it will feel less difficult. But the fact is future
Speaker 1: you will thank you because you're actually setting yourself up
Speaker 1: for yourself in ten, twenty and thirty years.
Speaker 7: Yeah. And then for me, it's it's perseverance and just
Speaker 7: pushing through no matter what and just sticking at it,
Speaker 7: but also open to learning, open to change and pivot.
Speaker 4: And you're the perfect example.
Speaker 7: I've pivoted a lot.
Speaker 3: You're a dancer, you're a form of dancer. But that's
Speaker 3: so great, and that's that's something that we've certainly our
Speaker 3: you know, our kids generation to even our generation was
Speaker 3: starting to do it. But you know, in our parents' generation,
Speaker 3: you had one career your whole life.
Speaker 2: That's what you did.
Speaker 3: And you know, when our kids are you know, sort
Speaker 3: of early twenties, and it's like, you can change if
Speaker 3: you not, Like, if you just stick at something, give
Speaker 3: it a good hot hot go. But if it's really
Speaker 3: not what you're super passionate about, it's okay to change.
Speaker 4: You can be so many things in your lifetime.
Speaker 1: I think there's a real fear in our young people.
Speaker 1: They think, oh what if I get it wrong? Or
Speaker 1: you know, particularly, university is so expensive now, so it's
Speaker 1: a waste of time or money to change courses. If
Speaker 1: you have the you can, if you can afford to
Speaker 1: change the cause, you should, is my opinion. I just
Speaker 1: think there's this fear and assumption that you should have
Speaker 1: it all worked out by the time you're twenty one,
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous.
Speaker 4: It is ridiculous.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm still trying to work it out.
Speaker 3: So's going to pivot again?
Speaker 7: You want, don't you worry? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I love what you said.
Speaker 5: Actually, I've just finished Well, I've got a book coming
Speaker 5: out next Well it'll be out now when we play
Speaker 5: this thing, this this this recording, but it is on
Speaker 5: confidence and it is about my struggles with it, and
Speaker 5: because it's not just a gender thing specific, it's you know,
Speaker 5: I really struggled with it and I still do and
Speaker 5: it's really understanding my value, you know. And as you're
Speaker 5: talking about Joe, and I think that's such wonderful advice
Speaker 5: is using that muscle when you're young and the thing
Speaker 5: is where this thing was supposed to feel good, and
Speaker 5: it's like, actually, we're meant to feel a little anxious,
Speaker 5: we're meant to feel like we're uncomfortable, but we're so
Speaker 5: not ready to be uncomfortable. And everyone say no, just
Speaker 5: feel good, man, It's like, actually not feel like shit.
Speaker 5: That confidence comes after the fact when you get through
Speaker 5: that and you do persevere.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, well confidence.
Speaker 1: Creates confidence, right, Well, the first step and Das you know,
Speaker 1: I love he always teaches me things through the lens
Speaker 1: of scientific learnings, right and scientific theory. So he uses
Speaker 1: his term the coalition of friction, which he explained to
Speaker 1: me is about that first turn of a wheel. Right,
Speaker 1: that's what confidence the first time you do something like
Speaker 1: that's friction. But actually you'll get that momentum and eventually
Speaker 1: it will feel like confidence.
Speaker 7: Yeah, see that PhD paying for.
Speaker 8: It wasted time.
Speaker 2: I just love that you've written that book.
Speaker 1: So important that we hear that from men, because I
Speaker 1: see it in Dazz. He is not a person who
Speaker 1: you or a man that you would identify as an
Speaker 1: alpha male inverted commas.
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I'm not you're not into fishing?
Speaker 6: What about golf, Dazz? Can we talk golf?
Speaker 7: I have a basher golf every and again.
Speaker 2: Do not. I've never seen you play golf.
Speaker 5: He just he clearly just plays with the balls.
Speaker 9: But it's so important to hear that from men because
Speaker 9: you've seen Daz that he has had his whole life
Speaker 9: instances were you know, bullied at high school or you know,
Speaker 9: all those instances where he's look at me, I'm speaking
Speaker 9: on behalf of him.
Speaker 1: I feel bad, but I just think it's great to
Speaker 1: hear that from men.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because there's that real thing of status anxiety, which
Speaker 7: was something that really hit me in my thirties and
Speaker 7: started having panic attacks, just going you know, who am I?
Speaker 7: What am I?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 7: You know? All those things I was told I should
Speaker 7: be and I'm not doing it, And it was a
Speaker 7: real period of change in methods, which you know, opened
Speaker 7: up to therapy, which was amazing, which I'm we're both
Speaker 7: huge advocates of it, and yeah, I love it. I
Speaker 7: love cognitive therapy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well Cam interviewed some incredible I was
Speaker 3: going to speak on your behinfredit idea for the book.
Speaker 3: It was it's so interesting because there's not a single
Speaker 3: one of them that didn't have a crisis of confidence
Speaker 3: at some point and went on to be hugely successful.
Speaker 3: But it's that, it's that it's what you do with
Speaker 3: it afterwards.
Speaker 5: And yeah, it's how you rebound in those moments. And
Speaker 5: I mean this is we're talking people like Keith Urban.
Speaker 5: I've spoke to a pilot doctor, all sorts of different people.
Speaker 5: I want to get a really broad cross section of people.
Speaker 5: No one gave the same answer about what confidence is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love that, which yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I spoke to Ian Baker Finch, the Australian golfer who
Speaker 5: had that famous collapse in the mid nineties, and he
Speaker 5: his tale of it is fascinating.
Speaker 6: One thing that you said Joe earlier is that really.
Speaker 5: Having people understand that they matter was a big part
Speaker 5: of it too, when you know that you matter and that.
Speaker 6: You like say that we're value again.
Speaker 5: But mattering is is so important and there's a PhD. Darren,
Speaker 5: you would understand a lot about matter.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: Nice take it from here, Darren explain that.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 7: I don't know where to go from there with manner
Speaker 7: UV light was my thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually one of the first moments I realized
Speaker 1: I was in love with him.
Speaker 2: Was ready.
Speaker 1: We are at a dance party and that you know,
Speaker 1: classic kind of laser lights all through the room, the
Speaker 1: smoky room. And he said to me, do you know
Speaker 1: why we see light?
Speaker 2: See color? And I was like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: He says to me, do you know why we see color?
Speaker 1: And I had no idea, And he explained color to me.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's the most beautiful thing I've
Speaker 1: ever heard.
Speaker 2: You've just explained the universe to me.
Speaker 1: Oh, because I'd come from the arts, like I'd come
Speaker 1: from literature and theater and words, and he came from
Speaker 1: understanding the universe through the beauty of science. Yeah, Yeast
Speaker 1: broke open a whole different understanding.
Speaker 2: It was amazing.
Speaker 5: You're like, I must marry this can Can you give
Speaker 5: us that definition in more like thirty Absolutely.
Speaker 7: The thing that I found fascinating with light, because that's
Speaker 7: what I was studying at the time, was that photons
Speaker 7: of light, you know, object or matter will absorb all
Speaker 7: the photons of energy of light and the color you
Speaker 7: see is the one that it reflects. So if it's white,
Speaker 7: you'll see a white photon. If it's red, the red
Speaker 7: photon is the one that's reflected off the surface, whereas
Speaker 7: all the other colors are absorbed.
Speaker 5: Is this why the why the ocean is blue or
Speaker 5: the sky is black?
Speaker 11: Yes?
Speaker 7: So the blue is the angle of the sun hitting
Speaker 7: the sky and that's and that's why the sun changes angle.
Speaker 7: That's where you get the different colors because it goes
Speaker 7: through the different angles of the energy of hitting.
Speaker 9: I'm in love with you too, now, Joe, so hey listen.
Speaker 5: So apart from photons of light and these deep explanations
Speaker 5: that happened on disco dance floors, was there was there
Speaker 5: anything else that brought you to together, like you're both from
Speaker 5: you both Melbourne centric?
Speaker 6: Was it is that footy teams? Uh?
Speaker 8: What schools you went?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 7: You know, that's question each other when we first met,
Speaker 7: I didn't really have a footy team. And and Joe,
Speaker 7: whose fourth generation Collingwood supporter, when we got married, she said,
Speaker 7: there is one thing you need to understand that when
Speaker 7: we get married, you have no choice but to barrack
Speaker 7: for Collingwood. That is, that is not negotiable. And we
Speaker 7: we you know, got invited to the forty once by edmcguire.
Speaker 7: We're very lucky to be on the President's table. And
Speaker 7: was one of the game in the early two thousands
Speaker 7: against Brisbane where we met. I think we won the
Speaker 7: game to get into the Grand Final and we're down
Speaker 7: the chain rooms and Andie MacGuire was singing the song
Speaker 7: and he's got his.
Speaker 8: Arm around me and he goes's who do you barak
Speaker 8: for Collingwood?
Speaker 1: Of course, I mean I bought it a big guns
Speaker 1: to do the conversion.
Speaker 6: And it has gone correct. Answer.
Speaker 2: There was no way he could. But it's so funny
Speaker 2: because Darren.
Speaker 1: Is now more one eye than I am, and I'm
Speaker 1: at times going, honey, you're actually embarrassing yourself as too
Speaker 1: much of the footy. But every now and then I
Speaker 1: say to him and other people, I don't know what
Speaker 1: we would talk about without Collingwood's Actually it is our
Speaker 1: greatest connection through the winter months. Over summer we talked
Speaker 1: about when will the footie start?
Speaker 6: Yeah, what can I say?
Speaker 5: Can I tell you it's the same in our family
Speaker 5: that we're Essendon supporters and I can actually give you
Speaker 5: give Collingwood props. It's been one of the most entertaining
Speaker 5: teams in the last five years to watch. Great yeap However,
Speaker 5: so Alie Alie won our family tip off this year.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I've never won and I'd say this a
Speaker 3: hand to heart.
Speaker 4: I've never won.
Speaker 3: A trophy a competition in my entire life. And I've
Speaker 3: beat out all the Dados and all the all the
Speaker 3: married in people to win this family tip What I
Speaker 3: for the ifl grew up in Sydney.
Speaker 1: I imagine there's there's a lot of you that's a
Speaker 1: big family.
Speaker 5: Has a few Dados in there. There's probably about twenty
Speaker 5: five participants. And so she's she's covering, she.
Speaker 6: Runs like round round seventeen. She's asked me about you
Speaker 6: know who's going to win the Lions? Are is it
Speaker 6: the Lions and the Freemantle?
Speaker 5: And I saw I told her and how she's got
Speaker 5: bugger you you're wrong.
Speaker 6: I should have gone with the lion, is it? I
Speaker 6: Joe down in her place? The lines I don't like
Speaker 6: them anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I didn't do any research. I just I
Speaker 3: did a bit of woo oh Joe. I actually just
Speaker 3: sat with the teams and I went, what's my first thought?
Speaker 4: It's my first.
Speaker 3: Feeling, and I went with that, and it's made me
Speaker 3: weird blood.
Speaker 7: It was one of those seasons he been. Back to
Speaker 7: your question, I think the one thing for Joe and
Speaker 7: I is we love a laugh. Laughter is a huge
Speaker 7: unifier for us. And one of us might be down
Speaker 7: or having a bad day, and as you can imagine,
Speaker 7: like to crack a joke, often inappropriate times, but sometimes
Speaker 7: most times it's what lifts the day. And you know,
Speaker 7: that's a huge unify for us.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's lucky.
Speaker 1: He's funny because he's enraging and there are there are
Speaker 1: many many times over the years when I have been
Speaker 1: flat out furious and he would wait like his timing
Speaker 1: is impeccable. He's the funniest person I know, and I've
Speaker 1: spent many years in the comedy industry, so you know,
Speaker 1: he's funny than most of the well in fact, all
Speaker 1: of the stand ups I've known him my time, and
Speaker 1: some of them are my best friends. But still, this
Speaker 1: man the funniest person I know, and he's timing.
Speaker 2: He's purfect. So I would just give him a.
Speaker 1: Spray like a say, of monumental proportions, and he just
Speaker 1: pause and then bang a joke and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, fuck you laugh now, I'm laughing.
Speaker 3: It knows everything, because I can't.
Speaker 1: I love a laugh as thing in the world. And
Speaker 1: most definitely God Dazz. And you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: out of the two of you, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is a case for all couples, but I
Speaker 1: think there's the one that people like the most right,
Speaker 1: you know, in your friendship groups, and it's always Dazz.
Speaker 1: Everyone loves Dazz. I'm happy to be the.
Speaker 2: Person to sort of.
Speaker 1: I'm an introvert, so I quite like sitting in the
Speaker 1: background and letting him just go. He's very, very funny
Speaker 1: and very energetic. He lights up a room, very loud.
Speaker 3: That's my husband.
Speaker 4: I'm the introvert.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Joe's got a group called the Naughty Mums, and
Speaker 7: just when she goes to catch up with them, I'll
Speaker 7: get a text like an hour later, Hey dads, when
Speaker 7: are you coming over?
Speaker 2: This so true?
Speaker 3: Waiting for you.
Speaker 1: Interestingly, he hasn't really got many male friends, but the
Speaker 1: women love him.
Speaker 2: Which I love.
Speaker 1: I love it so much for me the greatest joy
Speaker 1: and even the joy doing this podcast.
Speaker 2: No one hears from dazz.
Speaker 1: Because I'm the person front the center doing the waka whaka,
Speaker 1: and it just to me. He's the clever one, he's
Speaker 1: the funny one, and he's the creative one. It's just
Speaker 1: a joy to give him a microphone.
Speaker 7: Thank you, so beautiful.
Speaker 3: What are the values that you both really treasure that
Speaker 3: you think at the core of your relationship.
Speaker 7: Hmmm, well, empathy is a huge one, and connecting with
Speaker 7: each other's emotions, and it's quite funny. There are times
Speaker 7: when you know, Joe who's will come to me and go, look,
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, and then there'll be a huge pause and
Speaker 7: I'll look at her and I'm going what she goes
Speaker 7: and now you okay, yes, and I am incredibly sorry
Speaker 7: for whatever happened earlier.
Speaker 2: So true.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think that the thing that connects
Speaker 1: us and makes us I kind of stay. I want
Speaker 1: to stay really good friends mainly and then be I
Speaker 1: love each other very much. Is just a mutual respect
Speaker 1: and admiration. I just think he's awesome and never ever, ever,
Speaker 1: ever be resentful. I think is resemful is poison in
Speaker 1: a relationship. And for us, I think if I was
Speaker 1: starting to feel resemful about something, then we would need
Speaker 1: to talk about that and why, and let's kind of
Speaker 1: clear that and take that out of whatever is going
Speaker 1: on between us.
Speaker 7: Which is I'm glad I've quit eating tim tams because
Speaker 7: there was a lot of resentment there.
Speaker 6: Well, they did dark chocolate ones.
Speaker 7: It's the dark chocolate ones. Eat and leave one.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's grounded able for sure.
Speaker 6: That's a big mistake. You left one.
Speaker 8: Should have thrown the evidence out. It just takes the.
Speaker 7: Doors in the pantry.
Speaker 6: Don't do that.
Speaker 5: What is there anything that's still I'm sure there is
Speaker 5: things that still surprise you about each other that you're
Speaker 5: discovering after all this time together.
Speaker 2: Well do you know what for me?
Speaker 1: Das Will have said for the last twenty years that
Speaker 1: he can't change. He's a person that can't change.
Speaker 2: I am who I am.
Speaker 1: You get all you knows me, and it would frustrate
Speaker 1: me because I'm very, very passionately growth mindset. But actually
Speaker 1: he has changed the most I think out of the
Speaker 1: two of us over the particularly the last twelve months even.
Speaker 2: But two years he has now allie.
Speaker 1: He would say to me, I can't meditate. It's not me,
Speaker 1: not going to do it, not even going to try.
Speaker 1: I can't do it, and I can't change. And that's
Speaker 1: who I am. And this time last year he started meditating.
Speaker 1: Now does it every day?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 7: Meditate every day? Do the cold shell plunge?
Speaker 6: Or isn't that good?
Speaker 7: I love it?
Speaker 6: Good?
Speaker 4: Is that so good?
Speaker 3: You go? You go?
Speaker 7: Do you do the whole like? And then you come
Speaker 7: out and you go, you should try that?
Speaker 6: Now I go silence.
Speaker 5: I go very quiet, and I'm usually surrounded by people
Speaker 5: that are very loud and they want to hear stories
Speaker 5: from what's going on, you know, and it's like I
Speaker 5: just sit very quietly. I tucked my hands under the
Speaker 5: into my armpits under the water there, so because.
Speaker 6: I do you find your hands get really really cold? First?
Speaker 7: Yes? Yeah, right, but now I do love it. I'm
Speaker 7: quite addicted to it actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The learning in himself has surprised me because he always
Speaker 1: told me that he.
Speaker 7: Couldn't do it couldn't. Yeah, I loved it. But you know, big,
Speaker 7: it's interesting when I think look back to the person
Speaker 7: who said I can't change. But you know, ten years
Speaker 7: ago quit drinking because I did not want to be
Speaker 7: this person who always drink every day, affecting myself, my health,
Speaker 7: but more importantly the relationship with Joe. So you know,
Speaker 7: I love growth and change now, but when it comes
Speaker 7: to Tim Tams, I can't change.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some things, just some things I can't change.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, Sorry, what about you?
Speaker 4: Is there anything you can't change the way I have
Speaker 4: my tea?
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 3: I am so ridiculously specific and it annoys the hell
Speaker 3: out of everyone that knows me. But it's not it's
Speaker 3: nothing I will change.
Speaker 2: But does that mean people never make you a tea? Then?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 6: No we no, no, no, we try. It's your doctorate afterwards.
Speaker 2: Every now and again. But I doctor it myself.
Speaker 3: I'll make it.
Speaker 4: I'll make my own tea.
Speaker 3: Sit down and go No, I have to go back.
Speaker 7: That's not quite right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's going on?
Speaker 7: Do you have to leave the bag in or you
Speaker 7: take the bag straight out?
Speaker 3: Do you take the bag up? But it has to
Speaker 3: be left in for a certain amount of time, and
Speaker 3: I hate it when people take the bag up too early.
Speaker 4: And it's this week.
Speaker 3: Oh drives me nuts. Don't give me the almond milk
Speaker 3: or the oat milk. I need milk.
Speaker 2: My god, I am never ever making you any.
Speaker 6: It's good food. It's only the.
Speaker 5: Down to almost like how many grains of sugar are
Speaker 5: allowed tea? And it's like you can't you know, you
Speaker 5: can't cut a piece of wood longer. It's like you
Speaker 5: can't put too much sugar.
Speaker 7: Start against again.
Speaker 2: Oh, I say, I think.
Speaker 1: I mean how you've got a very very good palette
Speaker 1: to be able to pick out, you know, the distinction
Speaker 1: between all the different kinds of.
Speaker 3: Some would say that true, I actually get It's My
Speaker 3: mother is exactly the same with her tea, so it's
Speaker 3: the one thing.
Speaker 4: Well, I've actually inherited a lot from my mum.
Speaker 2: But that is one thing.
Speaker 3: Finitely she could make a good cup of tea.
Speaker 5: Guys, we do a thing called the two minute shower.
Speaker 5: Since we're in the bathroom so basically we're in the
Speaker 5: water conservation, we keep our the answers short, but with
Speaker 5: cold shower.
Speaker 6: Cold so.
Speaker 7: I'll try.
Speaker 6: Okay, first question, please both.
Speaker 2: Answer the question at the same time.
Speaker 6: I need to know the no, no, no, we need
Speaker 6: to I thought there.
Speaker 1: Was some kind of radio game where you catch out
Speaker 1: with each other. Well, you know, I've got a lot
Speaker 1: of muscular memory that I'm trying to get your heads
Speaker 1: its radio thing?
Speaker 6: All right, first question, what is your best quality?
Speaker 7: I laughed, My.
Speaker 2: Humor, Yeah, I'd agree with that. Oh you, but what
Speaker 2: about your amazing brain? Honey?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 7: Close second, my best quality is.
Speaker 4: That's a hard question.
Speaker 2: Compassion. Yeah, it is a superpower of mind, compassion.
Speaker 7: And your other superpower is bringing people together.
Speaker 1: Yes, I am really good at bringing people together such
Speaker 1: that I you know, even with broad radio or everything.
Speaker 1: Like you know, old pair people like in a podcast
Speaker 1: episode or something, and then six months later I see
Speaker 1: the two of them are now best friends and they're
Speaker 1: collaborating on an amazing projem whatever. I'll just go, yes,
Speaker 1: that kind of energy is going to work.
Speaker 2: And then it does. I'm sorry, what are you about it? Short?
Speaker 4: All right? What about this one?
Speaker 3: What habit does your partner have that you find adorable?
Speaker 7: I was about to say chewing, but it's not that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, we're looking for the adorable one.
Speaker 3: It's clearly not leaving one one Tim Tam left in
Speaker 3: the packag.
Speaker 2: Adorable. That's a weird word.
Speaker 7: It is in our relationship. That's why we've got a labrador,
Speaker 7: isn't she adorable?
Speaker 2: True adorable?
Speaker 1: Look at the way that DA's parents with for our daughter.
Speaker 1: The way he is for her is just incredible and
Speaker 1: truly adorable.
Speaker 7: I was about to say the same thing. The way
Speaker 7: joys with her daughter as well. It's just amazing how
Speaker 7: beautiful and empathetic and loving and caring, and she just
Speaker 7: puts her arms around us so beautifully.
Speaker 4: Love it.
Speaker 6: What do you miss when you're not together?
Speaker 7: My labrador? Adorable?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, And I haven't we don't you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not of a generation for me, I haven't traveled
Speaker 1: on my own very much. But when I have, I
Speaker 1: miss having like his like his body next to me,
Speaker 1: like it's a sort of a he's he's just at
Speaker 1: the height with my head is next to his shoulder,
Speaker 1: and I really miss kind of having that sort of
Speaker 1: I don't know, mass you know, when we're walking along
Speaker 1: there's just the body next to me.
Speaker 6: Because it's a kind of sexy thing to say, is
Speaker 6: that I love your mask?
Speaker 2: It's like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just know when I was traveling by myself, I
Speaker 1: missed an anchor, the grounding of that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm the perfect body pillow. Uh what do I miss?
Speaker 7: There is that same thing too that when she goes well,
Speaker 7: I just missed that. There's a certain energy just that
Speaker 7: leaves the house when Joe's not there, and I just
Speaker 7: love I don't know, it's just that feeling of I
Speaker 7: don't know, it's just a beautiful energy or about her
Speaker 7: when she's around me. So I'm very grateful when she's around.
Speaker 2: Also, I tend to organize the house as most women do.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I'm glad you said most.
Speaker 2: Thank god.
Speaker 3: Okay, last question and then we're out of here. I
Speaker 3: go sough to say to this guy. Okay, last question.
Speaker 3: Describe each other in one word?
Speaker 6: Big loving, Oh fabulous.
Speaker 11: I mean big big is I know this must be sure.
Speaker 11: I know he's got a big.
Speaker 1: Laugh and a big energy, and a big brain and
Speaker 1: a big heart.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Perfect, perfect, Joe Stanley, Darren McFarland, thank you so much
Speaker 5: for joining us in the bathroom today. This has been amazing,
Speaker 5: great chat.
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you so much for having us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, thanks guys.
Speaker 6: I love that chat.
Speaker 5: I love the fact that Collingwood supporters can get together
Speaker 5: with Essendon supporters and have a civil fun It's happened.
Speaker 6: Wonderful.
Speaker 5: We are icebreakers, you are gosh.
Speaker 3: I love that thing about when Darren was talking about
Speaker 3: pivoting in his career and just learning from you know,
Speaker 3: the thirty whatever age he was in his thirties when
Speaker 3: he went back to the very bottom of the wrung
Speaker 3: and now you know, he's this incredible producer now. It's Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just love that messaging. I think that's so important.
Speaker 3: People think that they can't learn, you know, or start
Speaker 3: all over again in their thirties.
Speaker 4: Of course you can in your forties or fifties.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's hugely encouraging, and that just the words around it.
Speaker 5: I get to do this today, you know, I get
Speaker 5: to be this, I get to do that. And it's okay.
Speaker 5: And so there he is and what they both are.
Speaker 5: They both resurrected their careers at points.
Speaker 3: You know, Joe's brain is always going to be thinking
Speaker 3: of I think, new things and ways to help and
Speaker 3: ways to expand.
Speaker 4: I think that's just who she is.
Speaker 6: How fun, how fun? Well, we hope you enjoyed this chat.
Speaker 5: Today and we will catch you on the next installment
Speaker 5: of Separate Bunth Road.
Speaker 4: Thanks for listening.