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Speaker 2: Like, that's the most beautiful thing I've ever heard.

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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to

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Speaker 3: acknowledge the Gadiger people of the or nation, the traditional

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Speaker 3: both past and present. I'm Ali Daddo.

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Speaker 4: I'm Cameron Daddo sitting beside Ali Daddow.

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Speaker 3: I'm good, feeling good today.

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Speaker 4: I'm feeling good today.

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Speaker 3: I love that. That's your question.

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Speaker 2: You're feeling good, You're ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Well, our guest today know a lot actually about the

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Speaker 4: Plus do you sing, writing, performing, comedy, drama, everything in between.

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Speaker 3: Between them, they've covered pretty much every aspect and they've

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Speaker 4: Joe Stanley was discovered performing stand up comedy in a

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Speaker 4: dingy Melbourne pub in the early two thousands and has

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Speaker 4: with a Hopping I Say Hopping Yeah, six years at

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited to talk to both of them about it. Actually.

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Speaker 3: Joe is still a co host of the House of

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Speaker 4: So Darren's a highly experienced senior producer. He's taken his

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Speaker 4: Darren McFarlane, Joe Darren, Welcome to the bathroom.

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Speaker 5: Thank for having us. It's nice and spacious.

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Speaker 4: It's spacious, and it's sanitary. Keep it clean. Hey, Joe.

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Speaker 4: When we were getting all the good goths together for

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Speaker 4: You're actually a Bailey.

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Speaker 3: How about you? How about you, Daran? What do you

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Speaker 5: set and it's almost fifty to fifty. In fact, I've

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Speaker 5: been on shoots where it was sixty forty, you know,

442
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Speaker 5: in favor of you know, our female technicians. So it's

443
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Speaker 5: great and a huge since me too, huge change, A

444
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 5: huge change that also needed to happen, you know what, I.

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Speaker 1: Love because especially during Lockdown, das does a lot of

446
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Speaker 1: mentoring of writers and you know, play screenwriters, and I'll

447
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,199
Speaker 1: hear him on the zoom and they've sent him some

448
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Speaker 1: script which is fairly you know, let's say, generic, and

449
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Speaker 1: could do.

450
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Speaker 5: With some very very first draft.

451
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could do some interesting ideas. And I hear

452
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Speaker 1: him say almost every time because they're usually male player, right, sorry,

453
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Speaker 1: mass screenwriters who'll say, what if that character is a woman.

454
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Speaker 2: And you see these men reel.

455
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Speaker 1: Back and just go whoa, Hang on a second, it's

456
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Speaker 1: like a bounty hunter who's a woman who so strong?

457
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Speaker 1: Not yet, but it is instantly more interesting, right yeah.

458
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we all love the underdog story and

459
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Speaker 5: just how much more interesting is that? And we've already

460
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Speaker 5: seen the men play the roles since god knows when

461
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Speaker 5: that's right?

462
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Well, what's the what's the next big challenge

463
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Speaker 4: or issue in gender equality? You mentioned me too, so

464
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Speaker 4: is there another step to go? Where do you guys

465
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Speaker 4: see that?

466
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Speaker 1: Well? I always like to say because when I did radio,

467
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Speaker 1: I you know, was always me with two blokes on

468
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Speaker 1: pretty much very me too, and I very much loved

469
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Speaker 1: those blokes.

470
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Speaker 2: I love them.

471
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Speaker 1: I had the best time, continue to have the best time.

472
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Speaker 1: Whenever I broadcast with those sorts of men, and they

473
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Speaker 1: are still my best friends.

474
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Speaker 2: But it's the reversal of that.

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Speaker 1: I think, would you know that would be great to

476
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Speaker 1: see I guess like a gender and even gender split

477
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Speaker 1: would be good. But for me also, it was about

478
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Speaker 1: the fact that all of the women who were on

479
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Speaker 1: air all looked like me. They were all white cis

480
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Speaker 1: gender women, right, Yeah, And I tried my best to

481
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Speaker 1: use the one microphone. I had to be a voice

482
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Speaker 1: on behalf of of women and diverse voices. But it's

483
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Speaker 1: not up to me to speak for those people. So

484
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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, one of the reasons we're

485
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Speaker 1: building broad radio is to turn my one microphone into

486
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Speaker 1: one hundred microphones and to really kind of center the

487
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Speaker 1: voices that we don't hear. I feel like the term

488
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Speaker 1: mainstream media often is a little misleading because it implies

489
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Speaker 1: into the majority.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true.

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Speaker 1: I think if we look at the people we go

492
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Speaker 1: to footy with and go to school with and work with,

493
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Speaker 1: and you know, it's just not our community. And I

494
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Speaker 1: am excited to hear different stories and different perspectives, and

495
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Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean just female or gender diverse that

496
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Speaker 1: means all kinds of voices.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, amazing. So what was is that basically your

498
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: inspiration for launching the platform broad radio or was there

499
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Speaker 3: something even more specific that wanted you to that you

500
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Speaker 3: both wanted to launch.

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Speaker 1: Well, actually it came to me in a meditation, which

502
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Speaker 1: is very woo woo we love.

503
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Speaker 2: I mean, I just had this sense.

504
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Speaker 1: That there could be you know, I've spent many years

505
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Speaker 1: witnessing and being a part of the transformative power of radio,

506
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Speaker 1: of that ability to shift a person's day, to tell

507
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Speaker 1: a story that means that the people listening feel like

508
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Speaker 1: they matter, like it reflects their lives. And so I

509
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Speaker 1: was sort of looking around. I was in my mid

510
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Speaker 1: forties and you know, wanted to hear radio that reflected

511
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Speaker 1: my life stage, and I couldn't find it, and I thought,

512
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Speaker 1: hang on a minute, there are I did the research.

513
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Speaker 1: In fact, five million women in Australia who are over

514
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Speaker 1: thirty five and in that life stage that really messy.

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Speaker 1: Kind of it's joyous, but it's chaotic. You know, you've

516
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: got you know, maybe young kids or teen kids, or

517
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Speaker 1: kids sort of moving out of home, so you're dealing

518
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Speaker 1: with that empty nesty. You've got aging parents, you've got

519
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Speaker 1: a career that's really full on that you love it,

520
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Speaker 1: you're trying to joggle it all. Maybe you're just newly single,

521
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: maybe you're in.

522
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Speaker 2: A difficult relationship.

523
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Speaker 1: All this stuff is happening, but nothing's kind of reflecting

524
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Speaker 1: that life in a radio sense. And I just am

525
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 1: so passionate about the medium and have witnessed how it

526
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Speaker 1: can change not just an individual but actually a conversation.

527
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Speaker 1: And for me, if you were reflecting those various stories,

528
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: then you're actually giving space for them to be those

529
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Speaker 1: people in the stories to be heard and seen and

530
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Speaker 1: therefore happier and healthier. And so our vision is using

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Speaker 1: radio as sort of a lever for change, to create

532
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Speaker 1: women who are happy, healthy, and to support their pursuit

533
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Speaker 1: of fearlessness. That's what we want.

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Speaker 4: Wow in a nutshell, Yeah, I've.

535
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Speaker 1: Spent a long time meditating on that.

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Speaker 3: For you, Darren, so did Joe bring this idea to you?

537
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 3: And you did, let's do it.

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00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 5: Look For me, it was more a case of and

539
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Speaker 5: obviously I believe in support all those things. For me,

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Speaker 5: it's you know, being a co founder is a very lonely,

541
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Speaker 5: tough journey, and for me, watching Joe go on this

542
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 5: journey of trying to put everything she has into this startup.

543
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Speaker 5: Was I was, you know, she needed help, needed support,

544
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 5: and I just wanted to be there for her and

545
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 5: just to have someone you can implicitly trust to have

546
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Speaker 5: your back no matter what was really important to me.

547
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Speaker 5: And so you know, that's why we're here as a duo.

548
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Speaker 4: What's a piece of advice that you would give a

549
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Speaker 4: younger person, any have, any gender who's struggling with confidence

550
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Speaker 4: in their careers or their personal lives.

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Speaker 1: Well, biggie, I mean, I feel like I'm writing a

552
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Speaker 1: book about that. Actually I am sort of putting notes

553
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Speaker 1: away because I think that I've learned.

554
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Speaker 2: I was too.

555
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Speaker 1: Even on you know, when I was doing radio and

556
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Speaker 1: I was Breakfast Radio number one for a long time,

557
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Speaker 1: people would assume that I was kind of sitting in

558
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Speaker 1: my power at that time, but I was very amenable.

559
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Speaker 2: I was very willing.

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Speaker 1: You know, women are people please as naturally, I think,

561
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Speaker 1: and I didn't kind of advocate for myself because I

562
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Speaker 1: didn't know how, and so I thought I'd just be

563
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: really nice and work really hard and I'd get noticed

564
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Speaker 1: enough and I.

565
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Speaker 2: Would and people would see me.

566
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Speaker 1: But they didn't.

567
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: I never felt properly seen.

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Speaker 1: And I think what I've learned, and it's a muscle

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Speaker 1: you have to start.

570
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Speaker 2: Using as soon as you can, as soon as you.

571
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Speaker 1: Can identify it as a teenager, as a you know,

572
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: in your twenties, exercise that muscle where you say this.

573
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 2: Is me, I need to do it this way.

574
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Speaker 1: I respectfully say thank you, but no, you know, all

575
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Speaker 1: of those sorts of phrases that you can learn and practice,

576
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Speaker 1: and it's always going to feel that sick making in

577
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Speaker 1: the gusts when you kind of speak up for yourself.

578
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: It's always going to feel like that. You have to

579
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: just practice it. It's a muscle, and yet by bit

580
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: it will feel less difficult. But the fact is future

581
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: you will thank you because you're actually setting yourself up

582
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Speaker 1: for yourself in ten, twenty and thirty years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. And then for me, it's it's perseverance and just

584
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Speaker 5: pushing through no matter what and just sticking at it,

585
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 5: but also open to learning, open to change and pivot.

586
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Speaker 3: And you're the perfect example.

587
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Speaker 5: I've pivoted a lot.

588
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: You're a dancer, you're a form of dancer. But that's

589
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: so great, and that's that's something that we've certainly our

590
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Speaker 3: you know, our kids generation to even our generation was

591
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Speaker 3: starting to do it. But you know our parents' generation,

592
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: you had one career your whole life. That's what you did.

593
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Speaker 3: And you know, when our kids are you know, sort

594
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Speaker 3: of early twenties, and it's like, you can change if

595
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Speaker 3: you not, Like, if you just stick at something, give

596
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: it a good hot hot go. But if it's really

597
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 3: not what you're super passionate about, it's okay to change.

598
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 3: You can be so many things in your lifetime.

599
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: There's a real fear in our young people. They think,

600
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Speaker 1: oh what if I get it wrong? Or you know,

601
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: particularly university is so expensive now, so it's a waste

602
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: of time or money to change courses. If you have

603
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: the you can, if you can afford to change the cause,

604
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: you should, is my opinion. I just think there's this

605
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: fear and assumption that you should have it all worked

606
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: out by the time you're twenty one, which is ridiculous.

607
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: It is ridiculous.

608
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm still trying to work it out.

609
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: So's going to pivot again?

610
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 5: You want, don't you worry? Yeah?

611
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Speaker 4: I love what you said. Actually I've just finished well,

612
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: I've got a book coming out next Well, it'll be

613
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 4: out now when we play this thing, this this this recording.

614
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 4: But it is on confidence, and it is about my

615
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: struggles with it, and because it's not just a gender

616
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: thing specific, it's you know, I really struggled with it

617
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 4: and I still do and it's really understanding my value,

618
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Speaker 4: you know. And as you're talking about, Joe, and I

619
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 4: think that's such wonderful advice, is using that muscle when

620
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: you're young and the thing is where this thing was

621
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 4: supposed to feel good, and it's like, actually, we're meant

622
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: to feel a little anxious, We're meant to feel like

623
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 4: we're uncomfortable, but we're so not ready to be uncomfortable.

624
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: And everyone say no, just feel good, man, It's like, actually,

625
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: not feel like shit. But that confidence comes after the fact,

626
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 4: when you get through that and you do persevere.

627
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, well, confidence creates confidence, right, Well, the first

628
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: step and Das you know, I love he always teaches

629
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Speaker 1: me things through the lens of scientific learnings, right and

630
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Speaker 1: scientific theory. So he uses his term the coalition of friction,

631
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Speaker 1: which he explained to me is about that first turn

632
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: of a wheel, right, that's what confidence. The first time

633
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: you do something like that's friction, but actually you'll get

634
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: that momentum and eventually it will feel like confidence.

635
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, see that PhD paying for.

636
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 4: Wasted time.

637
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Speaker 2: I just love that you've written that book.

638
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: So important that we hear that from men, because I

639
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: see it in Dazz. He is not a person who

640
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: you or a man that you would identify as an

641
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: alpha male inverted commas. I don't even know if I'm

642
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: not you're not into fishing?

643
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 4: What about golf, Dazz? Can we talk golf?

644
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 5: I have a basher golf every and again.

645
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: You do not. I've never seen you play golf.

646
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 7: He just he clearly just plays with the balls.

647
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Speaker 8: But it's so important to hear that from men because

648
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 8: you've seen Daz that he has had his whole life

649
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 8: instances were you know, bullied at high school or you know,

650
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 8: all those instances where he's look at me, I'm speaking

651
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Speaker 8: on behalf of him.

652
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Speaker 1: I feel bad, but I just think it's great to

653
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: hear that from men.

654
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, because there's that real thing of status anxiety, which

655
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 5: was something that really hit me in my thirties and

656
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 5: started having panic attacks, just going you know, who am I?

657
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 5: What am I?

658
00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 4: What?

659
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 5: You know? All those things I was told or should

660
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Speaker 5: be and I'm not doing it. And it was a

661
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 5: real period of change in methods, which you know, opened

662
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 5: up to therapy, which was amazing, which I'm we're both

663
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 5: huge advocates of it, and yeah, I love it. I

664
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 5: love cognitive therapy.

665
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, Cam interviewed some incredible I was

666
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 3: going to speak on your behinfredit idea for the book.

667
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: It was it's so interesting because there's not a single

668
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 3: one of them that didn't have a crisis of confidence

669
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: at some point and went on to be hugely successful.

670
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: But it's that, it's that it's what you do with

671
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 3: it afterwards, and.

672
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's how you rebound in those moments. And I

673
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 4: mean this is we're talking people like Keith Urban. I've

674
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: spoke to a pilot doctor, all sorts of different people.

675
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 4: I want to get a really broad cross section of people.

676
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 4: No one gave the same answer about what confidence is. Yeah,

677
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 4: I love that, which yeah, yeah. I spoke to Ian

678
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: Baker Finch, the Australian golfer who had that famous collapse

679
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 4: in the mid nineties, and he his tale of it

680
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 4: is fascinating. One thing that you said Joe earlier, is

681
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 4: that really having people understand that they matter was a

682
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 4: big part of it too. When you know that you

683
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: matter and that you like, say that were value again,

684
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 4: but mattering is is so important and there's a PhD. Darren,

685
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: you would understand a lot about matter.

686
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: Nice.

687
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 3: Nice take it from here, Darren, explain that. Thank you.

688
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 5: I don't know where to go from there with manner.

689
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 5: UV light was my thing.

690
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually one of the first moments I realized

691
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: I was in love with him.

692
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 2: Was ready.

693
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: We are at a dance party and that you know,

694
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: classic kind of laser lights all through the room, the

695
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: smoky room, and he said to me, do you know

696
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 1: why we see light?

697
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: See color?

698
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, what are you talking about? He

699
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: says to me, do you know why we see color?

700
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: And I had no idea, And he explained color to me.

701
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's the most beautiful thing I've

702
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: ever heard.

703
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: You've just explained the universe to me.

704
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: Oh, because I'd come from the arts, like I'd come

705
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: from literature and theater and words, and he came from

706
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: understanding the universe through the beauty of science. Yeah, you

707
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: cast broke open a whole different understanding. It's amazing.

708
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: You're like I must marry this can can you give

709
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 4: us that definition in more like thirty Absolutely.

710
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 5: The thing that I found fascinating with light, because that's

711
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 5: what I was studying at the time, was that photons

712
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 5: of light, you know, object or matter will absorb all

713
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 5: the photons of energy of light and the color you

714
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 5: see is the one that it reflects. So if it's white,

715
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 5: you'll see a white photon. If it's red, the red

716
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 5: photon is the one that's reflected off the surface, whereas

717
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 5: all the other colors are absorbed.

718
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 4: Is this why the why the ocean is blue or

719
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: the sky is black?

720
00:36:59,760 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: Yes?

721
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 5: So the blue is the angle of the sun hitting

722
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 5: the sky and that's and that's why is the sun

723
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 5: changes angle. That's where you get the different colors because

724
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 5: it goes through the different angles of the energy of hitting.

725
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 3: I'm in love with you too, now, Joe, so hey listen.

726
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 4: So apart from photons of light and these deep explanations

727
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 4: that happened on disco dance floors, was there was there

728
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 4: anything else that brought you to together, like you're both

729
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: from you both Melbourne centric? Was it is that footy teams? Uh?

730
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 4: What schools you went?

731
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: You know?

732
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: You know that's question each other.

733
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 5: When we first met, I didn't really have a footy team.

734
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 5: And and Joe, whose fourth generation Collingwood supporter, when we

735
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 5: got married, she said, there is one thing you need

736
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 5: to understand that when we get married, you have no

737
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 5: choice but to barrack for Collingwood. That is, that is

738
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 5: not negotiable. And we we you know, got invited to

739
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 5: the forty once by Ed McGuire. We're very lucky to

740
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 5: be on the President's table. And was one of the

741
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: game in the early two thousands against Brisbane where we met.

742
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 5: I think we won the game to get into the

743
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 5: Grand Final and we're down the chain rooms and Andie

744
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: MacGuire was singing the song and he's got his arm

745
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 5: around me and he goes's who do you bark for Collingwood?

746
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: Of course, I mean I bought it a big guns

747
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: to do the conversion.

748
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 4: And it has gone correct. Answer.

749
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: There was no way he could.

750
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: But it's so funny because Darren is now more one

751
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: eye than I am. And I'm at times going, honey,

752
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: you're actually embarrassing yourself as too much of the footy.

753
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: But every now and then I say to him and

754
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: other people, I don't know what we would talk about

755
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: without Collingwood. It's actually it is our greatest connection through

756
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: the winter months. Over summer we talked about when will

757
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: the footie start?

758
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, what can I say? Can I tell you it's

759
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 4: the same in our family that we're Essendon supporters and

760
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 4: I can actually give you give Collingwood props. It's been

761
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 4: one of the most entertaining teams in the last five

762
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: years to watch. Great yeap however, so Alie, Alie won

763
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: our family tip off this year.

764
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've never won, and I'd say this a

765
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: hand to heart. I've never won a trophy a competition

766
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: in my entire life. And I've beat out all the

767
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: Dados and all the all the married in people to

768
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: win this family tip What I the ifl grew up in.

769
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: Sydney, I imagine there's there's a lot of you, that's

770
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: a big family.

771
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: Has a few Dados in there. There's probably about twenty

772
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 4: five participants. And so she's she's covering, she runs like

773
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 4: round round seventeen. She's asked me about you know who's

774
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: going to win? The Lions? Are is it the Lions?

775
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: And then Freemantle and I saw I told her and

776
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 4: how she's got bugger you. You're wrong. I should have

777
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 4: gone with the lion, is it? I? Joe down in

778
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 4: her place? The lines I don't like them anymore.

779
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I didn't do any research. I just I

780
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 3: did a bit of woo oh Joe. I actually just

781
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 3: sat with the teams and I went, what's my first thought?

782
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: It's my first feeling, and I went with that, and

783
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 3: it's made me weird blood.

784
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 5: It was one of those seasons. Back to your question,

785
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 5: I think the one thing for Joe and I is

786
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 5: we love a laugh. Laughter is a huge unifier for us.

787
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 5: And one of us might be down or having a

788
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 5: bad day, and as you can imagine, like to crack

789
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 5: a joke, often inappropriate times, but sometimes most times it's

790
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 5: what lifts the day. And you know, that's a huge

791
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: unify for us.

792
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he's lucky.

793
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: He's funny because he's enraging and there are there are

794
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: many many times over the years when I have been

795
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: flat out furious and he would wait like his timing

796
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: is impeccable. He's the funniest person I know, and I've

797
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: spent many years in the comedy industry, so you know,

798
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: he's funny than most of the well. In fact, all

799
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: of the stand ups. I've known him my time, and

800
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: some of them are my best friends. But still, this

801
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: man the funniest person I know, and he's timing.

802
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 2: He's purfect. So I would just give him.

803
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: A spray like a say, of monumental proportions, and he

804
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: just pause and then bang a joke, and I'm.

805
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: Like, fuck you laugh now I'm laughing.

806
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: It knows everything because I can't. I love a laugh

807
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: as thing in the world. And most definitely God Dazz.

808
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know out of the two

809
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: of you, and I don't know if this is a

810
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: case for all couples, but I think there's the one

811
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: that people like the most right, you know, in your

812
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: friendship groups, and it's always Dazz.

813
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: Everyone loves Dazz. I'm happy to be the person to

814
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: sort of.

815
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm an introvert, so I quite like sitting in the

816
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: background and letting him just go. He's very, very funny

817
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: and very energetic. He lights up a room, very loud.

818
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: That's my husband. I'm the introvert.

819
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, Joe's got a group called the Naughty Mums, and

820
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: just when she goes to catch up with them, I'll

821
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 5: get a text like an hour later, Hey dads, when

822
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 5: are you coming over?

823
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: This so true waiting for you.

824
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: Interestingly, he hasn't really got many male friends, but the

825
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: women love him.

826
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: Which I love.

827
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: I love it so much for me, the greatest joy

828
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: and even the joy doing this podcast. No one hears

829
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: from Dazz because I'm the person from the center doing

830
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: the waka whaka, and it just to me. He's the

831
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: clever one, he's the funny one, and he's the creative one.

832
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: It's just a joy to give him a microphone.

833
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 5: Thank you, so beautiful.

834
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: What are the values that you both really treasure that

835
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: you think at the core of your relationship.

836
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 5: Hmmm, well, empathy is a huge one, and connecting with

837
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 5: each other's emotions, and it's quite funny. There are times

838
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 5: when you know, Joe who's will come to me and go, look,

839
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, and then there'll be a huge pause and

840
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 5: I'll look at her and I'm going what she goes

841
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 5: and now you okay, yes, and I am incredibly sorry

842
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 5: for whatever happened earlier.

843
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: So true.

844
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: But I mean I think that the thing that connects

845
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: us and makes us I kind of stay. I want

846
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: to stay really good friends. Mainly and then be I

847
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: love each other very much. Is just a mutual respect

848
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: and admiration. I just think he's awesome and never ever, ever,

849
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 1: ever be resentful. I think is resemful is poison in

850
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: a relationship. And for us, I think if I was

851
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: starting to feel resempful about something, then we would need

852
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: to talk about that and why, and let's kind of

853
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: clear that and take that out of whatever is going

854
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: on between us.

855
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 5: Which is I'm glad I've quit eating tim tams because

856
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 5: there was a lot of resentment there.

857
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 4: Well, they did dark chocolate ones.

858
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 5: It's the dark chocolate ones. Eat and leave one.

859
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 3: Oh, that's grounded able for sure.

860
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: That's a big mistake. You left one. Should have thrown

861
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 4: the evidence out.

862
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: It just takes the.

863
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 5: Doors in the pantry.

864
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 4: Don't do that. What is there anything that's still I'm

865
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 4: sure there is things that still surprise you about each

866
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 4: other that you're discovering after all this time together.

867
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: Well, do you know what for me?

868
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: Das Will have said for the last twenty years that

869
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: he can't change. He's a person that can't change.

870
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 2: I am who I am. You get all you knows.

871
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: Me, and it would frustrate me because I'm very very

872
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: passionately growth mindset. But actually he has changed the most,

873
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: I think out of the two of us over the

874
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: particularly the last twelve months even.

875
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: But two years he has now allie.

876
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: He would say to me, I can't meditate. It's not me,

877
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: not going to do it, not even going to try.

878
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: I can't do it, and I can't change. And that's

879
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: who I am. And this time last year he started meditating.

880
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Now does it every day?

881
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 3: Wow?

882
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 5: Meditate every day? Do the cold shell plunge?

883
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 4: Or isn't that good?

884
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 5: I love it?

885
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 4: Good?

886
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: Is that so good? You go?

887
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: You go?

888
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 5: Do you do the whole like? And then you come

889
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: out and you go, you should try that?

890
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 4: Now I go silence. I go very quiet, and I'm

891
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 4: usually surrounded by people that are very loud and they

892
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: want to hear stories from what's going on, you know,

893
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: and it's like I just sit very quietly. I tucked

894
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 4: my hands under the into my armpits under the water

895
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 4: there so because I find do you find your hands

896
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 4: get really really cold?

897
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 5: First? Yes?

898
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 3: Yeah?

899
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 5: Right, but now I do love it. I'm quite addicted

900
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 5: to it. Actually.

901
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

902
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: The learning in himself has surprised me because he always

903
00:45:59,600 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: told me that.

904
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 5: He couldn't do it, couldn't. Yeah, I loved it. But

905
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 5: you know, big, it's interesting when I think look back

906
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 5: to the person who said I can't change. But you know,

907
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 5: ten years ago quit drinking because I did not want

908
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 5: to be this person who always drink every day, affecting myself,

909
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 5: my health, but more importantly the relationship with Joe. So

910
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 5: you know, I love growth and change now, but when

911
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 5: it comes to Tim Tams, I can't change.

912
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's some things, just some things I can't change.

913
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 5: Absolutely, Sorry, what about you?

914
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: Is there anything you can't change the way I have

915
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 3: my tea?

916
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: That's right.

917
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: I am so ridiculously specific and it annoys the hell

918
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: out of everyone that knows me.

919
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: But it's not It's nothing I will change. But does

920
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: that mean people never make you a tea?

921
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: Then?

922
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: No? No we no, no, no, we try. It's your

923
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 4: doctorate afterwards.

924
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: Every now and again. But I doctor it myself. I'll

925
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: make it. I'll make my own tea. Sit down and

926
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 3: go No, I have to go back. That's not quite right. Yeah,

927
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: what's going on?

928
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 5: Do you have to leave the bag in or you

929
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 5: take the bag straight out?

930
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: Do you take the bag up? But it has to

931
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 3: be left in for a certain amount of time. And

932
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: I hate it when people take the bag up too early.

933
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 3: And it's this week. Oh drives me nuts. Don't give

934
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 3: me the almond milk or the oat milk. I need milk.

935
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: My god, I am never ever making you any.

936
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 4: It's good food. It's only the down to almost like

937
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 4: how many grains of sugar are allowed tea? And it's

938
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 4: like you can't you know, you can't cut a piece

939
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 4: of wood longer. It's like you can't put too much

940
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 4: sugar start again again?

941
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 2: Oh I say, I think.

942
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: I mean how you've got a very very good palette

943
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: to be able to pick out, you know, the distinction

944
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: between all the different kinds of.

945
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 3: Some would say that true, I actually get It's My

946
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: mother is exactly the same with her tea, so it's

947
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 3: the one thing. Well, I've actually inherited a lot from

948
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 3: my mum.

949
00:47:58,719 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: But that is one thing.

950
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 3: Finitely, she could make a good cup of tea.

951
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 4: Guys, we do a thing called the two minute shower.

952
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 4: Since we're in the bathroom so basically we're in the

953
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 4: water conservation, we keep our the answers short.

954
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 3: But with cold shower cold.

955
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 5: So I'll try Okay, first question, Please both answer.

956
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: The question at the same time.

957
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 4: I need to know the no, no, no, we need

958
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 4: to I thought there.

959
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: Was some kind of radio game where you catch out

960
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: whe each other. Well, you know, I've got a lot

961
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 1: of muscular memory that I'm trying to get your.

962
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 4: Heads its radio thing?

963
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: All right?

964
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: First question, what is your best quality?

965
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 5: I laughed, my.

966
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: Humor, Yeah, I'd agree with that. Oh you, but what

967
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: about your amazing brain?

968
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: Honey?

969
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 5: Well? Close second, My best quality is.

970
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 3: That's a hard question.

971
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: Compassion. Yeah, it is a superpower of mind, compassion.

972
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 5: And your other superpower is bringing people together.

973
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,959
Speaker 1: Yes, I am really good at bringing people together such

974
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: that I you know, even with broad radio or everything.

975
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: Like you know, old pair people like in a podcast

976
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,879
Speaker 1: episode or something, and then six months later I see

977
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: the two of them are now best friends and they're

978
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: collaborating on an amazing projem whatever. I'll just go, yes,

979
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: that kind of energy is going to work, and then

980
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: it does. I'm sorry, what are you about it? Short?

981
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: All right? What about this one? What habit does your

982
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 3: partner have that you find adorable?

983
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 5: I was about to say chewing, but it's not that.

984
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

985
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: No, we're looking for the adorable one. It's clearly not

986
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: leaving one one Tim Tam left in the packag.

987
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: Adorable. That's a weird word.

988
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 5: It is in our relationship. That's why we've got a labrador.

989
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: Is adorable, true adorable.

990
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: Look at the way that DA's parents with for our daughter.

991
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: The way he is for her is just incredible and

992
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: truly adorable.

993
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 5: I was about to say the same thing. The way

994
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 5: joys with her daughter as well. It's just amazing how

995
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 5: beautiful and empathetic and loving and caring, and she just

996
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 5: puts her arms around us so beautifully.

997
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 3: Love it.

998
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 4: What do you miss when you're not together?

999
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 5: My labrador?

1000
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 4: Adorable?

1001
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, And I haven't We don't, you know,

1002
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm not of a generation for me, I haven't traveled

1003
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: on my own very much. But when I have, I

1004
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: miss having like his like his body next to me,

1005
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: like it's a sort of a he's he's just at

1006
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: the height with my head is next to his shoulder,

1007
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: and I really miss kind of having that sort of

1008
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, mass you know, when we're walking along

1009
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: there's just the body next to me.

1010
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 4: Because it's a kind of sexy thing to say, is

1011
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 4: that I love your mask.

1012
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, I just know when I

1013
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: was traveling by myself, I missed an anchor, the grounding

1014
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: of that.

1015
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm the perfect body pillow. Uh what do I miss?

1016
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 5: There is that same thing too that when she goes well,

1017
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 5: I just missed that. There's a certain energy just that

1018
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 5: leaves the house when Joe's not there, and I just

1019
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 5: love I don't know, it's just that feeling of I

1020
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 5: don't know, it's just a beautiful energy or about her

1021
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 5: when she's around me. So I'm very grateful when she's around.

1022
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: Also, I tend to organize the house as most women do.

1023
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm glad you said most.

1024
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: Thank god. Okay, last question and then we're out of here.

1025
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: I sough to say to this guy. Okay, last question.

1026
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 3: Describe each other in one.

1027
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 4: Word big loving, Oh fabulous.

1028
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 2: I mean big big is. I know this must be sure.

1029
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: I know he's got a big laugh and a big energy,

1030
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: and a big brain and a big heart. Yeah.

1031
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 4: Perfect, perfect, Joe Stanley, Darren McFarland, thank you so much

1032
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 4: for joining us in the bathroom today. This has been

1033
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 4: an amazing, great chat.

1034
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you so much for having.

1035
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: Us Yeah, thanks, thanks guys.

1036
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 4: I love that chat. I love the fact that Collingwood

1037
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 4: supporters can get together with Essendon supporters and have a

1038
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: civil fun It's happened. Wonderful. We are icebreakers, you are gosh.

1039
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 3: I love that thing about when Darren was talking about

1040
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 3: pivoting in his career and just learning from you know,

1041
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: the thirty whatever age he was in his thirties when

1042
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: he went back to the very bottom of the wrung

1043
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 3: and now you know, he's this incredible producer now. It's Yeah,

1044
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: I just love that messaging. I think that's so important.

1045
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: People think that they can't learn, you know, or start

1046
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: all over again in their thirties. Of course you can

1047
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: in your forties or fifties.

1048
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's hugely encouraging, and that just the words around it.

1049
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 4: I get to do this today, you know, I get

1050
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 4: to be this, I get to do that. And it's okay.

1051
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 4: And so there he is and what they both are.

1052
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 4: They both resurrected their careers at points.

1053
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: You know, Joe's brain is always going to be thinking

1054
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: of I think, new things and ways to help and

1055
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: ways to expand. I think that's just who she is.

1056
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 4: How fun, how fun? Well we hope you enjoyed this

1057
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: chat today and we will catch you on the next

1058
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 4: installment of Separate Bunth Road.

1059
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.