Speaker 1: Good, your bloody champions, welcome to another installming that you
Speaker 1: projeck Tiffany and Cook's been away. She's been just wrapping
Speaker 1: up awards all over, winning prizes, putting on frocks.
Speaker 2: Very out of character.
Speaker 1: Will come to the lovely Amelia in a moment, but
Speaker 1: quickly we'll say hello, tiv, Hello.
Speaker 3: Hi, and we're read high heels. Don't forget those bad
Speaker 3: boys like a real woman.
Speaker 4: I know, Hell, did you?
Speaker 2: How did you feel in all of it?
Speaker 1: How did you feel getting out of your boxing gloves
Speaker 1: and your bloody, sweaty, stinky gym ware into a frock
Speaker 1: and high heels.
Speaker 4: I couldn't get enough of it. In the end, I
Speaker 4: wore some sequins as well.
Speaker 2: Fucking now, I'll call the cops and did you you
Speaker 2: were looking for? You were looking for.
Speaker 1: A cocktail dress? Did you end up going for a
Speaker 1: cocktail jumpsuit or something?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I wore the jumpsuit that I had for my
Speaker 3: previous event. Because it's very stressful shopping.
Speaker 4: Amelia, Is it stressful for you? Shopping?
Speaker 5: It's such a shit job it is. I hate it.
Speaker 6: I absolutely hate it, and I always end up ordering
Speaker 6: too much stuff and half of it doesn't fit, and
Speaker 6: then it's such a house sort to send it all back.
Speaker 5: But I do love a jumpsuit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good little silky black one. Thanks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they work well.
Speaker 4: I have a complaint. Three buttons on the back of
Speaker 4: your neck like a little chocol You've got to undo them.
Speaker 3: To have wi Yeah, they have this little bit of
Speaker 3: you can't.
Speaker 4: I've had other people, strangers in the bathroom spending fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes trying to de robe me so I can have WII.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a little leakage accident waiting to happen, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I'll be back.
Speaker 1: I'll just go get a coffee, Like if anyone needs me,
Speaker 1: I'll be in the hammock.
Speaker 2: Don't let me get in the way.
Speaker 5: Don't worry.
Speaker 6: We're going there early, Craig, and we ain't we ain't
Speaker 6: coming back.
Speaker 1: Don't you two, Like for the first time in your life,
Speaker 1: don't you too? Just wish you could, you know, just
Speaker 1: zip down something at the front and for doush. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then so much easier, so much, so much, yeah,
Speaker 1: so much easier.
Speaker 6: Especially after four children. Gosh you really yeah, after four children,
Speaker 6: the time between needing to go and actually going diminishes,
Speaker 6: and so you got to know where those bathrooms are
Speaker 6: and don't make me laugh too hard whatever you do.
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, now now I'm going to be thinking about
Speaker 2: that now.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm going to be honest to me, a jumpsuit
Speaker 1: seems kind of like fancy overalls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's cheating, but everyone thinks it's a dress. Oh,
Speaker 4: you're not nice in your black dress. I'm not not
Speaker 4: a dress winning.
Speaker 1: Well and and they and will get to you emelily.
Speaker 2: You probably think. And why the fact did they ask
Speaker 2: me on this show. They haven't asked me a question.
Speaker 6: If you want me for fashion advice, I'm just going
Speaker 6: to hang up now because that's definitely not my area
Speaker 6: of expertise on my zone of genius.
Speaker 1: And now, tif you did? You did emty yourself in
Speaker 1: a little slam. It's not slam poetry. It's kind of
Speaker 1: almost like slam storytelling story slam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and of.
Speaker 1: Course representing team Fatty Harps and Team Roll with the
Speaker 1: Punches and Team TIV.
Speaker 2: Of course you brought home the bacon.
Speaker 4: Look, I'm partial to winning anything that I entered. I
Speaker 4: went in strong. I do love a bit of competition.
Speaker 1: Did you backstage just look at everyone else and go,
Speaker 1: fuck you.
Speaker 2: Did you just walk? Do you have a bit of
Speaker 2: that energy? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't know if you're aware,
Speaker 3: but I punched people in the face so it doesn't
Speaker 3: go my way. And the prize was a solid chocolate microphone.
Speaker 3: So these steakes got risen real high.
Speaker 2: Oh god, do they know? Do they know that you?
Speaker 2: Do they know about your addiction?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Exactly, the world knows. Are you competitive, Amelia?
Speaker 6: Yes, Oh my gosh, and like really competitive even with
Speaker 6: my own children, Like I won't let the three year
Speaker 6: old win, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty still that's child abuse. I didn't know that
Speaker 2: that's great parenting.
Speaker 5: I disagree with you.
Speaker 6: I think it's raising really resilient kids. My husband pointed
Speaker 6: out to me, I can.
Speaker 5: Turn anything into a competition.
Speaker 6: Like I'll literally be all right, ear all in the bath,
Speaker 6: I'll be okay. The first person out of the bath
Speaker 6: gets the big dry bath towel. The rest of you
Speaker 6: have to get the wet but small wet butt.
Speaker 2: A game child abuse? How old are your kids? What's
Speaker 2: the range?
Speaker 5: I've got four their age between.
Speaker 6: I got a twelve year old, a ten year old,
Speaker 6: a nine year old and are now seven year old.
Speaker 1: Well that's I mean, at least they're all kind of bundled.
Speaker 1: I mean, what's that a five year four?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I had four and five years and that was
Speaker 6: kind of I don't know what I was thinking at
Speaker 6: the time, but I just kind of we ripped the
Speaker 6: band aid off and just got them all out. And
Speaker 6: it's nice because we're in the sweet spot. We're in
Speaker 6: the golden period.
Speaker 5: I call it.
Speaker 6: We've got no unpredictable toddlers, we've got no moody, stinky teenagers.
Speaker 6: I feel like this is as good as it's going
Speaker 6: to get. I reckon, it's downhill from here, Tiff.
Speaker 2: I feel like you were screwing up your face then.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, I think, Amelia, actually
Speaker 3: I think I'm in the golden period.
Speaker 4: I put a cat and the dog.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, true mate, No matter what. Yeah, No,
Speaker 6: you're so right. The problem with children is once you
Speaker 6: realize it's too late, there's a no returns policy.
Speaker 2: To Lord Smith, that's true. You probably No, you can't, Tiff.
Speaker 1: Did you hear Doctor Bill the other day talking about toxoplasmosis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I edited that and I turned half an ear away,
Speaker 4: so I didn't have to listen and think about that.
Speaker 4: I knew you'd bring this up with me and try
Speaker 4: and ruin my cat life.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying hashtag get rid of the cat,
Speaker 1: that's all. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Do you know that? Do you know Amelia that?
Speaker 1: Well, they don't know exactly, but minimum thirty, maybe fifty
Speaker 1: percent of people in the world have this parasite in
Speaker 1: their body that once it's in your body, you never
Speaker 1: get rid of it. And it's from cats. It's from
Speaker 1: a few sources, but mostly cats. Shout out to our
Speaker 1: cat listeners. I'm not saying don't love your cat, everyone,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying get rid of your cat. I'm just
Speaker 1: reporting the sign, says per doctor Bill Sullivan. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: are you an animal person?
Speaker 5: We have a dog?
Speaker 6: Yes, I love animals, don't I must say? We don't
Speaker 6: have a cat, although I did have one growing up,
Speaker 6: So I'm sure that I'm probably riddled with this horrible
Speaker 6: sounding thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 1: All right, tell us about a little bit about you,
Speaker 1: so for my audience, don't know you. What's your job,
Speaker 1: who are you? What's your background? The Amilia give as
Speaker 1: much or as little as you want.
Speaker 6: Oh well, I'm a big fan of yours, Craig, so
Speaker 6: thank you so much for having me on the show.
Speaker 6: And I know we kind of share a lot of
Speaker 6: the same values, although you might swear a little bit
Speaker 6: more than me.
Speaker 2: But try harder, try harder.
Speaker 6: I've been in their health industry for twenty six years.
Speaker 6: I'm an exercise scientist by trade and a nutritionist. I've
Speaker 6: got a master's of Human Nutrition. I was the co
Speaker 6: founder of the Michelle Bridges twelve week Body Transformation, so
Speaker 6: that was kind of my main business for ten years.
Speaker 6: Prior to that, I owned a gym in Sydney in
Speaker 6: the city and I was a personal trainer for thirteen
Speaker 6: years way back, starting when I was seventeen. But then
Speaker 6: in about twenty sixteen, I really pivoted and.
Speaker 5: Got super excited about.
Speaker 6: Technology and technology in health, so kind of starting with
Speaker 6: wearables and when Apple Watch first came out, because I
Speaker 6: started to see how achnology and understanding our bodies better
Speaker 6: was really unlocking some of the.
Speaker 5: Most stubborn behavior change.
Speaker 6: So since yeah, since then, I've been really working in
Speaker 6: more of a functional health space.
Speaker 5: So I partnered with the.
Speaker 6: Most amazing integrative GP Dottyesmina detic Haagan. She's a functional
Speaker 6: medicine doctor, and so we now run online programs. I've
Speaker 6: kind of taken a lot of my learnings from, you know,
Speaker 6: running these big twelve week programs from twelve WBT, these
Speaker 6: these you know, big you know, thousands and thousands of people,
Speaker 6: and I've re taken that learning and then applied functional
Speaker 6: testing and longevity strategies, and I run these programs with
Speaker 6: dottyasmine and now using a lot more.
Speaker 5: Biofeedback, and it's just awesome.
Speaker 6: Like I never thought that I could get more excited
Speaker 6: about the work that I do. But just as as
Speaker 6: we evolve and as technology changes, and we just can
Speaker 6: learn so much more about our bodies.
Speaker 5: And I see that with everyday people.
Speaker 6: They learn more about themselves and then suddenly that stubborn
Speaker 6: behavior change actually is achievable for people. So like I'm
Speaker 6: tracking my sleep. I saw what alcohol was doing to
Speaker 6: my sleep, so I'm just not going to drink, And
Speaker 6: suddenly not drinking becomes a lot easier than if they
Speaker 6: didn't have that buyo feedback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting the intersection between psychology and biology
Speaker 1: and technology, right, and the who's I talking with this morning.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right. I was doing a coaching session.
Speaker 1: With a guy and I was talking about the idea
Speaker 1: of listening to your body, like your body is a
Speaker 1: buyer feedback machine, essentially, it's always telling you stuff. But
Speaker 1: I feel like, in you Know, twenty twenty five that
Speaker 1: a lot of us, anyway, not all of us, but
Speaker 1: a lot of us have really disconnected from the wisdom
Speaker 1: that is our body, you know, And like your body
Speaker 1: knows when it needs food, it knows when it doesn't
Speaker 1: need food, It knows when it needs to hydrate it
Speaker 1: and knows when it needs to sleep.
Speaker 2: It knows when it.
Speaker 1: Needs more of this and less of that, Like it's
Speaker 1: it's incredibly intelligent. But because we have, like never ever
Speaker 1: before in the history of humanity, we have so much
Speaker 1: access to so much shit that we can just press
Speaker 1: a button either literally or metaphorically, and get something that
Speaker 1: tastes good, that's high sugar, high fat, high taste, low nutrition,
Speaker 1: and just press that dopamine button and bibdy Bobby boo.
Speaker 1: I feel amazing. And then I opened my eyes. And
Speaker 1: I've been doing that for ten years, and now my
Speaker 1: immune system's fucked and I'm unhealthy and I'm not in
Speaker 1: a shape or a condition that I want to be.
Speaker 2: And so I think in.
Speaker 1: Terms of tech, I really see tech as a way
Speaker 1: for people to help reconnect with the wisdom of their
Speaker 1: body and understand, well, what does it? What's heart rate
Speaker 1: variability mean?
Speaker 2: Like? What is what? Even even you know? Like what
Speaker 2: are micros and macros for the average person?
Speaker 1: You know? What is like just trying to understand if
Speaker 1: I have six hours sleep versus eight hours sleep for me,
Speaker 1: for my body, not the population, but for me, what
Speaker 1: are the different outcomes?
Speaker 2: Like what is that two hours more? What does that
Speaker 2: do for me?
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, I'd so wish that we could
Speaker 1: get back in touch.
Speaker 2: With our body.
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, some of the appsent
Speaker 1: trackers and tech, I think that's a way to do it.
Speaker 6: It's so funny you say that, because I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 6: And it's almost counterintuitive because it's like, well, hang on,
Speaker 6: isn't someone could be listening and thinking, well, doesn't tech
Speaker 6: take us away from that you know, much more connected
Speaker 6: approach towards our body? But I actually find it almost
Speaker 6: does a full circle strategy where Okay, we're so distracted
Speaker 6: and we're so hijacked by all these external factors in
Speaker 6: our modern world, be it artificial light, be it you know,
Speaker 6: dopamine hits, as you said, be it you know, sugar,
Speaker 6: fat salt, that we have disconnected and so then we
Speaker 6: need these devices or these this technology to help us reconnect.
Speaker 6: But then it's really interesting because you then layer that
Speaker 6: technology with how you feel. So like a real life
Speaker 6: example I'll give you is wearing a CGM, a continuous
Speaker 6: glucose monitor. That might be an experiment that you do once,
Speaker 6: so you do twice. You wear this thing on the
Speaker 6: back of your arm for two weeks. And the feedback
Speaker 6: I get from people is that they understand now when
Speaker 6: they're having a hypo glycemi episode. So when their blood
Speaker 6: sugars are dropping so low, they go, oh, that's what
Speaker 6: that jittery, spaced out feeling means. And I really noticed
Speaker 6: that when I'm in that low state, that's when I'm
Speaker 6: really craving those you know, high carb, high sugary foods.
Speaker 6: And so once a once a CGM come off, they're
Speaker 6: now much more connected with how they're feeling. So it's
Speaker 6: almost like a scaffolding that helps you understand your body
Speaker 6: better and reconnect with some of these sensations and feelings
Speaker 6: that are happening inside you.
Speaker 5: So I think it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I mean there would have been a time where I
Speaker 1: kind of went fuck all that because I'm a dinosaur,
Speaker 1: I'm a t rex and a T shirt, right, But
Speaker 1: I really think, you know, like you were saying with
Speaker 1: a CGM right, for example, so somebody gets a number
Speaker 1: or some data and then they can correlate that piece
Speaker 1: of information on that bit of tech with how they're feeling,
Speaker 1: and then eventually, over time, you just know, when I
Speaker 1: feel like this, my number is that or the you know,
Speaker 1: the tracker says that or whatever it is. But it's
Speaker 1: understanding that you know, when I feel this way, this
Speaker 1: is probably what's happening in my body. When I have
Speaker 1: that symptom, this is probably what's happening in my body.
Speaker 1: And I mean on a very fundamental level. Back in
Speaker 1: the day, when I opened my first PT center, which
Speaker 1: was nine a ninety so thirty five years ago, all
Speaker 1: of my clients wrote everything down so this is pre apps, right,
Speaker 1: So they literally wrote, you know what time they went
Speaker 1: to bed, what time they got up, you know what
Speaker 1: they ate when they ate it, you know, booze, coffee, tea, water,
Speaker 1: hydration sets, reps, volume runs, distance, time, heart rate, blah bah.
Speaker 1: And we were tracking stuff back then, and people the
Speaker 1: average punto who didn't really understand anatomy or physiology or
Speaker 1: you know, any of any of the stuff that we're
Speaker 1: talking about. Now, within six months they knew their body intimately,
Speaker 1: and they knew what what stimulus created, what response in
Speaker 1: their body, and what that meant. And so they would
Speaker 1: end up telling me, I only had six and a
Speaker 1: half hours sleep, and so this is how I feel,
Speaker 1: but I know exactly why I feel this way. So
Speaker 1: tonight I'm going to fix it by or I'm going
Speaker 1: to at least try and compensate by doing XYZ. Or
Speaker 1: you know, I've only had a lead of water today,
Speaker 1: so of course I've got a fucking headache, or my
Speaker 1: energy is lower, my brain doesn't work, or so people
Speaker 1: start to correlate these different factors with these different feelings
Speaker 1: or physiological states.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and you can kind of put it into main
Speaker 6: buckets where you've got you've got the technology that is
Speaker 6: giving you real time feedback, which is some of the
Speaker 6: stuff we've just been talking about. Now, whether it's you know,
Speaker 6: you're wearable or stuff that you're tracking on every day.
Speaker 6: And I like this concept of you need to measure
Speaker 6: it to manage it. If you're measuring it, you're going
Speaker 6: to be managing it a lot better. But then the
Speaker 6: second bucket is also much more focused on long term health,
Speaker 6: on longevity and on health span, and that is taking
Speaker 6: a more proactive approach to your health and aging, where
Speaker 6: you're getting tests done ahead of time so that you
Speaker 6: can ward off some of the you know what we
Speaker 6: like to what Peter Ettia likes to call the four horsemen,
Speaker 6: which are the four biggest killers of the Western world.
Speaker 6: And so I like the two buckets where you got
Speaker 6: the everyday stuff and you dip in and out of that,
Speaker 6: and you sometimes you just throw your watch away and
Speaker 6: you're like, you know, fuck all that. I don't want
Speaker 6: to track all that. But the second bucket is super
Speaker 6: important because all.
Speaker 5: Those diseases, the four biggest.
Speaker 6: Killers of the Western world, which is cardiovascular diseases the
Speaker 6: first one, so think heart attack, stroke, Then you've got
Speaker 6: neurodegenerative diseases, Alzheimer's, dementia, then you've got metabolic diseases, mainly
Speaker 6: type two diabetes and then you've got cancer. They're the
Speaker 6: four horsemen. Now they doos don't appear from nowhere. You
Speaker 6: can be testing and looking for those early warning signs.
Speaker 6: And that's the other type of technology that I'm also
Speaker 6: pretty fuzzy about. And you know, I really want to
Speaker 6: make sure that most of our members are doing all
Speaker 6: those tests as well ahead of time, not waiting for
Speaker 6: the doctor to say, oh, you've got type two diabetes.
Speaker 6: But hey, hang on a minute, I was insulin resistant
Speaker 6: for fight for the last five years and you never
Speaker 6: even told me because you weren't measuring the right markers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that finally, maybe, and Melia, the ships starting
Speaker 1: to turn, that people are starting to be more proactive
Speaker 1: and not reactive. It's like, so for so long, so
Speaker 1: many people basically waited until something broke. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sick, I should do something. Well, how about
Speaker 1: you do something before you're sick, and maybe you won't
Speaker 1: get sick, or maybe we'll push that sickness back a
Speaker 1: decade or two, you know, And let's like, what even
Speaker 1: though you're relatively functional and operational, now, let's have a
Speaker 1: look at your diet and you sleep, and your lifestyle
Speaker 1: and your habits, and you're you know, blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. Let's look at all those variables and it's
Speaker 1: not about self loathing, it's about self awareness. But what
Speaker 1: can we do to take you from being a seven
Speaker 1: out of ten to nine and a half? You know,
Speaker 1: And let's do something before we have to so to speak.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, a great example like our flagship program, which
Speaker 6: is called Inner Vitality, and we measure fifty five key
Speaker 6: biomarkers and we call it the Sleep Well at Night
Speaker 6: Measurement because we're measuring things that are silent, like inflammation,
Speaker 6: like inflammatory markers, like kidney function, and like you know,
Speaker 6: some particular hormonal markers and so often these are silent,
Speaker 6: or we measure for insulin resistance. We have a special
Speaker 6: score called your homer IR score, which is kind of
Speaker 6: a calculation of a bunch of other metabolic markers. These
Speaker 6: can all be simmering away beneath the surface and you
Speaker 6: don't have those signs, those early warning signs. But you
Speaker 6: can get these measurements done and go, oh, actually I
Speaker 6: have got some chronic inflammation. Know why don't I just
Speaker 6: make a few little tweaks while I'm younger, rather than
Speaker 6: wait till disease sets in MMM.
Speaker 1: And so within kind of your You're exactly right, it
Speaker 1: makes great sense within the middle of your kind of
Speaker 1: your model, but also just more broadly your.
Speaker 5: Philosophy, right, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1: Obviously I saw you had Paul Taylor on the other day,
Speaker 1: by the way, love Paul the great man. And so
Speaker 1: we're both doing or he's just handed. I think he's
Speaker 1: just submitted his But I'm also doing my PhD in
Speaker 1: psych and I'm about three or four months behind him.
Speaker 1: But QUI, yeah, thanks, Yeah, we're both obviously very interested
Speaker 1: in well, the role of the mind, you know, the
Speaker 1: relationship between the mind and the body, and you know,
Speaker 1: managing our thoughts and managing our choices and managing our
Speaker 1: actions and reactions and what you're thinking about that. What's
Speaker 1: the you know? And I know it's very much. It's
Speaker 1: not so much in the stuff that we can see
Speaker 1: in poke and measure, but the role of the mind
Speaker 1: in all of this for you.
Speaker 6: Oh so so important. But I guess where I've become
Speaker 6: a little more nuanced, and I don't have the answers,
Speaker 6: and I'm definitely not a psychology expert. But is the
Speaker 6: chicken or the egg? Because if I have to be honest,
Speaker 6: I think I've switched a little bit where I was
Speaker 6: always like, oh, it's the mind that drives the body,
Speaker 6: and you get the mind right and the body will follow.
Speaker 6: But as I'm going through perimenopause, and I don't know, tif,
Speaker 6: you look way too young to be anywhere near this.
Speaker 6: But as I'm going through perimenopause, and as I'm learning
Speaker 6: a lot more about I guess biochemistry, I'm realizing how
Speaker 6: much our physiology impacts our mood and our mindset.
Speaker 5: And so I'm a.
Speaker 6: Bit confused if I have to be honest right now
Speaker 6: at chicken or egg? Because I have so many ladies
Speaker 6: on my program that when we get their physiology right,
Speaker 6: we measure that. We measure all the mark a whole
Speaker 6: bunch of markers that are you know, particularly relevant for
Speaker 6: cognition and mood. You know, ferotant, vitamin D for example,
Speaker 6: and thyroid markers, and we see them really low and depleted.
Speaker 6: We measure cortisol. We do what's called a car test,
Speaker 6: which measures a quartersole throughout the day. When you rebalance
Speaker 6: those and you get those levels at least normal and
Speaker 6: not insufficient or deficient. Suddenly their mood improves. So I
Speaker 6: really think it's this delicate synergy. And you can have people,
Speaker 6: say obviously going through perimenopause, who suddenly, you know, get
Speaker 6: strike the right balance with their HRT and suddenly that
Speaker 6: brain fog lifts, or that you know, those really depressive
Speaker 6: symptoms or the rage just dissipates. It's so important, it's
Speaker 6: so so important your thoughts. So you like, mind drives
Speaker 6: a body, body drives the mine or are you.
Speaker 1: Kind of will let TIF talk in a minute too,
Speaker 1: because she's gone through some stuff. But I think you're
Speaker 1: exactly right. I think it's an integrated two way system.
Speaker 1: And I think there are different times when you know,
Speaker 1: it's like the whole oh, you know, just get your
Speaker 1: mind in the right place. It's like, no, fuck you,
Speaker 1: my body's my body's running the show at the moment,
Speaker 1: so sticky positive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, just try harder, Brian,
Speaker 1: try harder, Sally. Yeah, fuck you jump in my body
Speaker 1: for ten minutes and you'll change. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm fortunate in that I've trained
Speaker 1: hundreds of women over the years who've been going through
Speaker 1: menopause or perimenopause, so as much as a man can
Speaker 1: understand it, which is obviously not like you two can.
Speaker 1: But I've been around it a lot, and I've had
Speaker 1: thousands of conversations about it ten with people, and so,
Speaker 1: I I mean, your body can totally hijack your brain
Speaker 1: and mind, you know, And it's like it can. If so,
Speaker 1: you've been going through your own stuff lately.
Speaker 3: How are you, mate, I'm in the middle of the
Speaker 3: perimenopausal car crash, amelia.
Speaker 5: It is if that's a great just script up, it
Speaker 5: is shit.
Speaker 3: Are you rolling with the punches or even rolling with
Speaker 3: the punches but they are landing and the bell is
Speaker 3: not ringing.
Speaker 5: What's going on for you?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Just energy?
Speaker 3: Like I just hit a wall with the ability to
Speaker 3: recover from training right now, I've gotten all point where
Speaker 3: cardio has been put completely out of the equation. I'm
Speaker 3: just tired all the time, and moments of anxiety over
Speaker 3: nothing like anxiety in my body with no relevance to
Speaker 3: anything like lots of yeah, lots of.
Speaker 6: Stuff unexplained as well as and you're kind of like,
Speaker 6: who is this person?
Speaker 5: Because I'm tough, I'm resilient. This wouldn't have.
Speaker 6: Bothered me before, but now I'm getting this almost like
Speaker 6: palpitation in have you ever woken up in the morning
Speaker 6: and you're kind of in that like daisy as you
Speaker 6: dazed out? You just wake up, You're like, Okay, what
Speaker 6: year is it?
Speaker 5: What day is it?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: My god? What have I got on today?
Speaker 6: And you get this feeling of like I don't know
Speaker 6: if I'm going to be able to get through my day,
Speaker 6: Like I get do you get that anxiety?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, And it's like so it's so it really
Speaker 3: challenges everything you think or thought you know.
Speaker 4: About who you are. I'm like, why, Like where's that
Speaker 4: girl gone?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What's this?
Speaker 6: I am so with you? And look, everyone's journey is unique.
Speaker 6: But can I just say that what has been a
Speaker 6: game changer for me surprisingly this year and also now
Speaker 6: because I'm so fusy about it, I've been getting a
Speaker 6: lot more of our members on it is Creating.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm on it, You're on it has helped.
Speaker 3: You've been on that for quite a while, so before
Speaker 3: this really ramped up as well.
Speaker 6: Okay, so you were on it before it ramped up,
Speaker 6: because yeah, and I feel like with Creating, I feel
Speaker 6: like for PERI women, it's just worth trying, and you're
Speaker 6: on it for six to eight weeks and if you
Speaker 6: notice a big difference, keep taking it. If you don't
Speaker 6: notice a big difference, maybe your body's natural saturation levels
Speaker 6: were good, but mine must have been depleted because I
Speaker 6: have had so many great benefits from that.
Speaker 5: But you know, depending what stage of.
Speaker 6: Perimenopause, there's early stage, there's late stage, and then there's
Speaker 6: the menopause transition. Depending on what stage you're at, you know,
Speaker 6: different treatments are available and can work.
Speaker 5: Have you started experimenting?
Speaker 6: Are you at the point yet where you want to
Speaker 6: go and get some whether it's progesterone or yeah.
Speaker 3: So I a year ago went and started got a
Speaker 3: prescription for HRT, and then I had to go get
Speaker 3: whole breast exams and stuff to get the clearance, and
Speaker 3: then I I just got my sleep in order and
Speaker 3: I hadn't. I started taking it for like a week
Speaker 3: and then I had stopped have those tests and got clearance.
Speaker 3: But then I just didn't go back on it until
Speaker 3: a couple of months ago and I went back in
Speaker 3: this is not it's frustrating, and I went to a
Speaker 3: menopause specialist doctor that I'd searched for and got recommended,
Speaker 3: And I went in yesterday and said, I need another
Speaker 3: prescription for that, but also I want to look at testosterone.
Speaker 3: And she said we need to take a blood test.
Speaker 3: And then as we were sitting there waiting, I said,
Speaker 3: what was my testosterone last time? And she said, I
Speaker 3: didn't test it. We don't test that till we need
Speaker 3: to it. I am dumbfounded how a woman can go
Speaker 3: to a menopause specializing doctor and say, my hormones are tanked?
Speaker 4: Can you test them?
Speaker 3: And they don't think that testing all three is relevant? Like,
Speaker 3: I'm so infuriated by this process.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and also this is this whole concept of why
Speaker 6: wait till it's broken before you test and track it.
Speaker 6: I say to a lot of my members, we do
Speaker 6: this a lot in bone density and women as young
Speaker 6: as forty and forty five for bone density scans. I'm like,
Speaker 6: I don't care if it comes back perfect. I'm glad
Speaker 6: because there's a healthy baseline now we can track over
Speaker 6: the next twenty years. You've got that healthy baseline, your
Speaker 6: testosterone comes back tickerty boo. That's amazing. This is that's
Speaker 6: proactive health. This is true biohacking. That's unfortunate. And the
Speaker 6: thing is where I understand that that's not medicare rebatable
Speaker 6: because we go broke.
Speaker 5: As a nation.
Speaker 6: But at least, like, I'm happy to dip in my
Speaker 6: pocket and pay for that test because I want to
Speaker 6: be able to track a healthy baseline and track those
Speaker 6: changes over the years. So yeah, we have a long
Speaker 6: way to go, don't we.
Speaker 3: And then when they do get the results, like with
Speaker 3: the other hormones they're tested, they were like, oh, you know,
Speaker 3: like you're in normal range, but that doesn't mean anything,
Speaker 3: so we'll do this anyway. And I'm like, well, why
Speaker 3: do I have to jump through seven hoops that you
Speaker 3: then don't actually reference at all anyway, which I am
Speaker 3: guessing will happen with the testosterone. They'll go, it's within
Speaker 3: this range, but the symptoms are what we go by.
Speaker 3: Oh good, So you just wanted me to have seven
Speaker 3: more appointments in the meantime.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know you're a highly educated, health focused individual.
Speaker 6: Imagine if you weren't, and trying to navigate that that's
Speaker 6: why we get so many women. I call it the
Speaker 6: missing middle that fall through the cracks. But I think
Speaker 6: if you're listening to this and you're going through perimenopause,
Speaker 6: or you know someone who is and they're just their
Speaker 6: mood is down and they're lacking in energy, at least
Speaker 6: go and get the fundamentals measured. So, like I said,
Speaker 6: you're vitamin D, your iron levels, your inflammation markers, your
Speaker 6: metabolic markers, because if even one of those comes back
Speaker 6: in sufficient or deficient, then you've got some quick wins.
Speaker 6: You've got something to work with. And then, yes, hormone
Speaker 6: tracking is a lot more complex, and the blood tests
Speaker 6: don't always show what you know. It's tricky and complicated
Speaker 6: because there's just not enough research on women in that
Speaker 6: stage yet. But that's why you do try to find
Speaker 6: yourself the best women's health practitioner or a doctor that
Speaker 6: you can to help navigate it.
Speaker 5: And even then it takes time.
Speaker 6: It does take time, and it might not work and
Speaker 6: you might need to change your doses around. But there's
Speaker 6: lots of options that do make a difference. And I
Speaker 6: think you know, the big resounding message of hope and
Speaker 6: it is a good news story compared to what women
Speaker 6: you know, our parents' generation were going through, is there
Speaker 6: is so many options out there.
Speaker 5: So it is a good news story.
Speaker 6: We've just got to do a little bit of the
Speaker 6: work to find that balance.
Speaker 2: And I'm back.
Speaker 1: I just got out of the jacuzzi. I don't know,
Speaker 1: have you two been good? I mean, I've just been
Speaker 1: gone for ten minutes to have.
Speaker 2: A good time.
Speaker 4: We've been, say most right through menopause. Now you took
Speaker 4: that long to come back.
Speaker 1: No, I love no, thank you. That was actually really
Speaker 1: good to listen to both of you. I appreciate you
Speaker 1: being that honest. Hormones are a weird thing, right, And
Speaker 1: I'm not an expert anyone in hormones.
Speaker 2: I know a fair bit about it, but I'm definitely
Speaker 2: not ago in that.
Speaker 1: But it's just it's so funny that, like, especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to testosterone for both men and women, you'd
Speaker 1: think you'd think you were asking for heroine the way
Speaker 1: they all rick, Oh.
Speaker 2: We don't what what I'm like, Well, you know, it's
Speaker 2: a naturally occurring hormone in men and women. I don't
Speaker 2: want cocaine or dope or speed or crack.
Speaker 6: That fine significantly with age that the tanks run and low.
Speaker 1: And we also know that there are very real, sometimes
Speaker 1: serious physiological consequences.
Speaker 2: It's funny.
Speaker 1: We have a guy on Amelia, doctor Jeff you know
Speaker 1: doctor Jeff Tip from Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: Ye, and he's great. He's on I don't know, once
Speaker 2: mon or something. And last time it was on, I said,
Speaker 2: can I ask you what you take? Like this is alive?
Speaker 1: He's like sure, and he just reeled through everything and
Speaker 1: he's like, I think he takes a bit of growth,
Speaker 1: he takes a bunch of peptides, takes a bunch of vitamins.
Speaker 1: He's like TRT buth blah blah blah blah, right just
Speaker 1: in there like there's no there's no shame, there's no
Speaker 1: He's like, well, why wouldn't you, Like he's like a
Speaker 1: sixty year old dude. He's like, well, why wouldn't you
Speaker 1: you know? And I said, Wow, in Australia, you will.
Speaker 1: You most will just try and get heroin. It's easier,
Speaker 1: you know, because over here. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people think that I've said this before, but like when
Speaker 1: men or women using testosterone, the picture they have in
Speaker 1: their mind as bodybuilders who look like freaks and take
Speaker 1: a million milligrams of everything, and then that's people's idea
Speaker 1: of what it is to take testoster and people don't
Speaker 1: understand like therapeutic application and benefits. And I still think
Speaker 1: it's unfolding.
Speaker 2: We're still getting educated.
Speaker 6: In I'm again, of course, I'm not a doctor, and
Speaker 6: everything we talk about today needs to be taken up
Speaker 6: with your medical professional of choice. I probably am a
Speaker 6: little bit more conservative where because I come from that
Speaker 6: functional medicine and functional health background. I like to really
Speaker 6: focus on the complete picture, where medications or you know,
Speaker 6: hormone therapy supplements definitely a part of the picture, but
Speaker 6: they're not a silver bullet. And you know, even me
Speaker 6: mentioning CREA team before and you know how amazingly it's
Speaker 6: worked well with me, all my other levers are being
Speaker 6: pulled at the same time. It's not like I'm sitting
Speaker 6: on the couch eating junk food. I'm exercising, I'm doing
Speaker 6: all the things as well. So this for me, I'm
Speaker 6: in that category of probably a lot of your listeners
Speaker 6: you call the two percenters. You know, we're already pulling
Speaker 6: lots of health leavers and we're doing pretty well. So
Speaker 6: that's where that's where these other interventions you know, can
Speaker 6: really help. But I am a big fan again of
Speaker 6: measuring to manage. So don't just blindly go and take
Speaker 6: your supplements or go and take your vitamins unless you
Speaker 6: are able to measure, and not all of them you can,
Speaker 6: so creatine, for example, unless you want to go and
Speaker 6: have a nice, painful muscle biopsy and find some lab,
Speaker 6: you can't. There's no way of knowing what your muscle
Speaker 6: saturation levels are. But other nutrients you can, you know,
Speaker 6: like a whole bunch of micro nutrients, you can measure
Speaker 6: and know what they are. So at least start with
Speaker 6: what you can track.
Speaker 1: Creatine's getting a bit of air time at the moment,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's every second. Maybe it's just my feed.
Speaker 6: But it's like everyone you're right, And isn't that funny
Speaker 6: from us dinosaurs who were in the fitness industry in
Speaker 6: the nineties. Don't you remember when it had its time
Speaker 6: in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well I worked for the guy. There was
Speaker 1: a couple of guys who started massashe you remember.
Speaker 5: Massage, Yeah, yeah, total.
Speaker 1: And I'm also I've been sponsored by Maxes, so Paul
Speaker 1: and Keith who owned Maxes for one hundred years. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been using creatine since before people even knew what
Speaker 1: creatine was.
Speaker 2: Probably you too, but yeah, and I.
Speaker 6: Never touched it because it was always for the bros
Speaker 6: and US ladies because of the potential of water retention.
Speaker 5: But back in the day, all the research was.
Speaker 6: Around muscle and performance in strength and explosive and so
Speaker 6: US ladies just were like, nah, not for us. We
Speaker 6: don't want to feel like we're retaining fluid. But of
Speaker 6: course the more recent research around cognition mood is why
Speaker 6: it's having its moment. And I was, in fact, someone
Speaker 6: mentioned it like eighteen months ago and I was like,
Speaker 6: oh no, yeah for the bodybuilders, and then suddenly started
Speaker 6: to look into it and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 6: there's some really interesting emerging research outside of the gym.
Speaker 2: So I got my dad on it. I got my
Speaker 2: dad on it, eighty five year old Ron.
Speaker 1: I'm like, get this into your on because and I
Speaker 1: mean there's been it's the most researched supplement in the world,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's and like you said to merely,
Speaker 1: it doesn't some people, it's like really really significantly great
Speaker 1: and for other people that aren't, it doesn't do a lot.
Speaker 1: But I think for the majority of people, they'll feel
Speaker 1: some benefit for me. The main benefit for me is
Speaker 1: just cognitive function is clarity, is mental acuity as memory
Speaker 1: is just like and I take about I take about
Speaker 1: fifteen grams a day, which that's not a recommendation.
Speaker 6: Higher than the recommend Yeah, I'm about ten grounds a day,
Speaker 6: which is a little bit higher than the recuity you do.
Speaker 4: I do a little bit higher as well.
Speaker 3: Someone actually this morning sent me one of my friends
Speaker 3: sent me a little real that was talking about benefit
Speaker 3: cognitive benefits of taking higher than the recommended dose. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think, Look, there's and again everyone has merely said,
Speaker 1: go chat to somebody who's not us. None of this
Speaker 1: is advice or recommendation or prescription, Bud. There's quite a
Speaker 1: few smarty pans professors getting around, I mean actual scientists,
Speaker 1: not bro scientists on fucking the interwebs, but suggesting fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty grams a day for optimal kind of cognitive function.
Speaker 6: But again, I got no kidney issues, and you've got
Speaker 6: no other health issues. There's very little downside except for
Speaker 6: the cost. And it is actually very affordable. It isn't affordable,
Speaker 6: it's easy to produce. So I just think it's worth
Speaker 6: experimenting with for six weeks, and honestly, the proofs in
Speaker 6: the pudding for me. I noticed that in three main areas.
Speaker 6: The first one was in the gym and performance. I
Speaker 6: do CrossFit, and I'm very consistent. I kind of know,
Speaker 6: I can you know in a ward you got burpies
Speaker 6: in your wad. I know, I get to about six
Speaker 6: or seven burpies and that's when I start to feel
Speaker 6: the labor kicking in, and that's when I start to
Speaker 6: slow down. And then I you know, know how quickly
Speaker 6: I usually have to recover if I'm doing you know,
Speaker 6: keeping pull ups or something like that. And I just
Speaker 6: was noticing I was get to six or seven burpies
Speaker 6: expecting that to kick in, and I just kept going.
Speaker 6: And it wasn't until I was getting to twelve or thirteen,
Speaker 6: but I was starting to and the same with the
Speaker 6: kiping pulls. And then I was noticing I was getting
Speaker 6: sour after strength in a good way, so I was
Speaker 6: able to go heavier in my dead lifts. And then
Speaker 6: the second thing I noticed was my focus. I have
Speaker 6: to do a lot of writing and a lot of hard,
Speaker 6: deep focus, hard work, and I get distracted, and I
Speaker 6: was just noticing I was like kind of coming out
Speaker 6: probably a bit like U the PhD.
Speaker 5: I was coming out of like two hours of being.
Speaker 6: Just deep in the in the focus bubble, going wow,
Speaker 6: like that's unheard off for me. And then the third
Speaker 6: area was my mood. You know, I was having a
Speaker 6: bit like you, Tiff, Like I've always been such an
Speaker 6: optimistic and can do kind of girl, and I was
Speaker 6: having these really depressive sundays where I was teary and grumpy.
Speaker 6: And it was tim My hubby that said to me, geez,
Speaker 6: you've been in a good mood the last few weeks.
Speaker 6: You haven't had any of those really tiery, moody, grumpy sundays.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's why I was like, Okay, I like
Speaker 5: this stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm getting so to see bring you breakfast in bed
Speaker 1: and it's a cup of cretane.
Speaker 5: I should thank it in my brownies.
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 5: Some pancakes.
Speaker 1: There's you said a sentence or a phrase that's never
Speaker 1: been said in nearly two thousand episodes of The You Project,
Speaker 1: and that he's burpies in your wad. Oh now, seventy
Speaker 1: percent of our listeners are like, what the fuck does
Speaker 1: burpies in.
Speaker 2: Your word mean? Stiff?
Speaker 1: Knows, I know, but it sounds like like a parasite
Speaker 1: in your poo.
Speaker 5: In my wad.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah today.
Speaker 1: Yeah god, the one I was leaning over the ball
Speaker 1: and I had a burpies in my wad.
Speaker 6: Oh god, oh my god, no, Creig.
Speaker 5: Work of the.
Speaker 2: Day, yes, so burpies. Everyone.
Speaker 1: You know that exercise and ward stands for workout of
Speaker 1: the day, which is happens. Hey, you're great, We love you.
Speaker 1: Just one or two questions before we go, just because
Speaker 1: what I'm interested. Tell me to fuck off if if
Speaker 1: this is stepping over the line.
Speaker 2: How old are you?
Speaker 6: If you don't mind mouse, No, of course, I'm forty
Speaker 6: six years young.
Speaker 2: Wow you look young? You do? Look you look away.
Speaker 2: I'm not just saying that, Oh you look young.
Speaker 5: You it's my day.
Speaker 2: I'm coming back if you do. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's the filter. Maybe you look shit in person, but
Speaker 2: from here I've got.
Speaker 5: The young I've got the young filter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, you definitely you don't look shit anywhere. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: No, you look very young. So good work you. Just
Speaker 1: I like knowing what the experts do. Just how often
Speaker 1: do you do cardio?
Speaker 2: What is it? How intense? How much, how often? What type?
Speaker 5: Okay? So I train five days a week.
Speaker 6: I do one longer run between ten and fifteen k's
Speaker 6: my prozac, my mental health runt.
Speaker 5: I do that one day a week and then and then.
Speaker 6: I actually do run on all five days, but my
Speaker 6: three CrossFit days I run for twenty five minutes.
Speaker 5: Before the CrossFit class. So I will do that.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I run five days, one really long run,
Speaker 6: three shorter runs just before CrossFit, and then I do
Speaker 6: one kind of mid you know, seven to ten k run,
Speaker 6: and then I do CrossFit three days a week.
Speaker 2: Great, And do you not that you need to but
Speaker 2: all your strength stuff, all your strength needs get met
Speaker 2: in CrossFit correct? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So we'll do in cross fit one or two
Speaker 6: strength moves very heavy, usually like Olympic lifting, so squats,
Speaker 6: front squats, deadlifts, bench, and there's period at periodized program.
Speaker 5: And then twice a year I do smaller of Junior.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've ever if you've heard of
Speaker 6: the smaller program, it's a great app So like last year.
Speaker 5: I did squats and deadlifts.
Speaker 6: My goal is to deadlift double my body weight and
Speaker 6: I got there last year, and to deadlift my yeah,
Speaker 6: my body weight ten times, so I use smaller if
Speaker 6: I need to kind of get over a strength plateau.
Speaker 6: That's a three week program. Yeah, and yep, and I
Speaker 6: love I love that. You know you could do I
Speaker 6: could always do some more strength training, but I've got
Speaker 6: four kids and run a business, so you've only got
Speaker 6: so many hours in the week.
Speaker 1: Well, there's someone else on this call who does reps
Speaker 1: on sixty kilos on the bench and it's not me.
Speaker 5: So wow, TIF so serious.
Speaker 6: Inching your body weight or you know thereabouts? Pretty excited,
Speaker 6: respect my friend.
Speaker 5: That's amazing. That's so incredible, Amelia.
Speaker 2: Great to talk to you.
Speaker 1: And I genuinely feel today like I was the third
Speaker 1: wheel in this conversation. So we should extract me next time.
Speaker 1: Just leave it to you two girls. We'll call it
Speaker 1: the You Project. I'll intro and outro and then you
Speaker 1: two can.
Speaker 6: Just I did admit I was fangirling around Tiff before.
Speaker 6: So yeah, sorry, Craig.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we love you.
Speaker 2: Too, whatever, whatever, too power.
Speaker 1: Oh she got bloody stopped at the airport by a fan.
Speaker 2: Ah. I love it.
Speaker 5: I hope you got a selfie.
Speaker 4: Shout out to Adrian, by the way, shout out to Amelia.
Speaker 1: Where can people connect with you, find you, follow you
Speaker 1: and find out all about you?
Speaker 6: Oh look, Instagram's the best, So underscore Amelia, underscore Phillips.
Speaker 6: I've got a blue top on in my profile pick.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty good on DMS and I put lots of
Speaker 6: free stuff and education up there, all around health, longevity,
Speaker 6: health span, lots of tips and tricks, so you can, yeah, visit.
Speaker 5: My podcast healthy her Craig.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry it's kind of for women, but you're more
Speaker 6: than welcome to come and fig around in.
Speaker 5: We're actually going to get you on in a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks, so I'm excited. I'm excited to get on.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, ladies, what's up. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 5: You're going to put you in the hot seat, my friend.
Speaker 2: I might have to borrow I might have to borrow tips, jumpsuit.
Speaker 6: And ready hells, Oh my gosh, I would pay to
Speaker 6: see it.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: You're not the only one I will say goodbye fair
Speaker 1: But Amelia, you're great. We appreciate you, and I look
Speaker 1: forward to coming to have a chat with you on
Speaker 1: your show.
Speaker 5: It's been fun. Thanks guys,