WEBVTT - Sharri | 28 November 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:05.640 Why on Sky News This is Sharry. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:07.760 Good Evening. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:12.360 Chris Bowen is fast becoming a political liability. He rush 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:16.079 to renewables has left our energy grid just unable to 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.680 handle a few warm days. He's been blamed for costing 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.000 Bill Shot in the twenty nineteen election. Will now he's 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.720 becoming Peter Dutton's best asset. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.680 More on that in a moment. Also coming up. 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:31.319 On the show, the cost of Living Crisis Far from Over, 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.559 Economist Warren Hogan will join us with some home truths 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.880 and Labor mp fom A Labor and p Michael Danby 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:41.959 has added to claims that Penny Wong's got a bit 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.839 of a habit of calling people into office for a 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.280 dressing down after they criticized China. 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:49.680 Well, Michael will be on. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.199 The show and he's going to tell us exactly what 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:53.840 happened behind. 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.280 The closed doors. That exclusive coming. 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.880 Up plas across Live to Israel for an exclusive with 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.200 the Deputy Foreign Minister. She is fired up over the 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:08.040 Albanezy government's refusal to issue a visa to her former colleague, 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.360 despite the fact they fast tracked nearly three thousand visas 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.520 for a terrorist controlled war zone. How will Israel hit 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:19.360 back at our government. We'll find out a little later, 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.280 but first, as the energy network clings on by a thread, 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:29.679 Chris Bowen has sparked outrage by claiming cole is the 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:31.560 biggest threat to reliability. 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:36.440 Bowen is an unfortunate energy minister. He was a disaster 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:38.240 in the Treasury portfolio. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:42.240 He proposed so many controversial taxes that he all about 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:47.840 lost Bill Shorten the unlosable election. Now he's a disaster 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:52.640 as Energy minister and we're all suffering. Chris Bowen has 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.280 blamed the fact that there was not enough coulified power 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.600 stations operating yesterday for the perilous supply. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.040 The biggest threat to reliability in our energy system is 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.160 coal fire power stations. 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.000 Well, I'd say the biggest threat to reliability in our 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:13.680 energy system isn't colfied power stations. It's this bloke, Chris Bowen. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.960 Let's just reiterate that crucial point again. There was a 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:21.560 real risk of blackouts in New South Wales yesterday and 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.320 Chris Bowen has blamed the fact that. 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:26.120 There was not enough coal in the system for this. 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:27.560 Not enough coal. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:31.720 When Bowen has spent every waking moment trying to get 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:35.280 coal out of Australia's energy system, and now he blames 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.920 the fact there wasn't enough of it and so we 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.040 had this energy crisis. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:41.880 Well, this is what all. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:46.000 The experts have been warning about, rushing the transition to renewables, 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:50.600 shutting down colfiede power stations when there's not enough storage 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:54.440 capacity or alternative baseload power like. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.639 Gas, and thus being left. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:03:01.440 Without enough power to run businesses, hospitals and households. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.800 The utter audacity of the guy. 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.920 Here he was this morning with Laura Jays blaming the 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:13.519 shortage of coal for the fact we risked blackouts yesterday. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:19.560 And we are building the transmission and the storage and 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:23.720 backed by gas speaking when necessary to ensure a reliable system. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:24.480 But here's the thing. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.200 The least reliable part of our energy grid at the 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.320 moment is cal firepower. That's just a statement of fact. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:34.520 Well, the breakdowns are happening because there's been zero investment 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:39.240 to extend their life cycle, zero investment in ensuring their 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:43.920 ongoing capability. Yes, there were colfied power failures yesterday that 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:48.360 were partly behind the crisis, which shows just how crucial 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.000 coulfide power is to our energy grid. How the very 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.360 operation of our country, whether we like it or not, 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:01.840 relies at the moment on culfide power, and the ideologues 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.560 like him have refused to invest in the infrastructure to 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:09.840 keep coal up and running for longer. They've rushed and 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.560 encouraged the closure of coal. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:13.760 Fired power stations. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.880 Now, of course, we'd all love to be in an 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.840 ideal world where we have solely renewable energy that has 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.880 no carbon impact, but we're far from that scenario and 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.640 we have to be realistic about it. So Chris Bowen 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.400 rushes the closure of coulfide power stations and then wonders 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.159 why we don't have enough power to keep the lights 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:39.159 on now. One of the first things that New Southell's 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.840 Premier Chris Mens did when he won office was to 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.840 extend the life cycle of the Eraring Power. 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.200 Station, and here he was explaining. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.440 A decision that the coalition had opposed in October. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.920 We've been very clear, however, that there's a very narrow 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.000 path for us to walk to transition from coal fired 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.800 power energy gener in the state to renewable energy. That's 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.840 one of the reasons why we made a decision to 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:07.880 keep the ira In Power station open for longer. So 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:09.640 that we could have a little bit of buffer to 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:14.200 get the Central West Irana renewable energy program up and running, 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.239 as well as all of our other projects in the state. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.560 We don't want to see the house. We don't want 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.080 to see lights go off. We don't want to see 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:25.280 prices increase off. They're already high peaks now. 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.279 Extending the life cycle of the Era and Coulified power 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:32.159 station was a move that former Liberal Treasurer and Energy 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:36.560 Minister Matt Kean was against, and now Matt Kean is 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:40.400 Chris Bowen's partner in crime at the Climate Change Authority. 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.360 But the worst part is this, We've had this near 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.400 breakdown this week and we're not even in a severe 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:49.200 heat wave. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.880 It's normal in summer to have hot days. 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:57.160 It's hardly a newsflash to say Australia is hot in summer. 0:05:57.360 --> 0:06:00.360 It's part of the appeal of our country and we're 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.760 just three days away from summer. This sort of warm 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:08.000 weather is precisely what governments and so called energy experts 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:12.560 should expect. It's the very nature of our Aussie climate. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.680 It shouldn't come as a surprise and then lead to 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.040 a moment of crisis where everyone is told to turn. 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:22.440 Off their dishwashers and their lights. Well. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.000 One of the issues with this government is that Chris 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:29.240 Bowin is both the Environment and the Energy Minister, two 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.040 portfolios that are a. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:32.240 Contradiction in terms. 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.839 As Energy Minister, his focus should be keeping the lights on, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:41.680 but instead his task is corrupted by putting environmental priorities 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.160 above the operation of our country. This means a rush 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.480 transition to renewables before the infrastructure. 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:50.640 Is in place. 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:54.640 As AEMO has wanned, the risk of blackouts is now 0:06:54.760 --> 0:07:00.160 high over summer. One expert economists Poor Broad who is 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.240 the former boss of the Snowy Hydro project. He told 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.120 the Daily Telegraph, and I'm quoting now, we've had some 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.280 really mild summers over the past three or four years. 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:13.160 It's hidden the precarious position that our energy sector has 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.200 got itself into. It's a reflection on some of the 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.440 really ill considered policies and the rush to close our 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:27.360 baseload power plants. He is absolutely spot on. And that 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:31.680 article is titled mass blackouts feared as Australia's third World 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:37.080 power grid buckles under weight of a raging summer. Now, 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.720 this all has serious political consequences because not only are 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:44.480 we facing blackouts, but we're paying more for the privilege 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.920 of having power adages. It's pretty extraordinary for governments to 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.400 tell families to turn off their air conditioner and not 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.040 run their appliances in a first world country, and at 0:07:56.040 --> 0:08:01.600 the same time as power bills are at record high. Now, 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.200 putting aside the energy rebates, Peter Dutton is arguing that 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.720 after two and a half years of the Albanese government, 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:13.680 power prices are up thirty one percent. No voter could 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:17.640 possibly forget that. When Anthony Albanese was desperate to become 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:22.240 prime minister, he promised over and over again that electricity 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.480 bills would be two hundred and seventy five dollars. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:30.160 Cheaper, reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.640 By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:33.920 a year, two. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.200 Hundred and seventy five dollars a year. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:41.600 The promise was made ninety seven times before the last election, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.400 ninety seven times. Now ahead of the next ventrial election, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.120 Peter Dutton will campaign that this is a major broken 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.760 promise and that political tactic featured in question time today. 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.360 My question is to the Minister for Climate Change and 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:02.319 Energy next week mark's three years since the now minister 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.880 first promise Australians their electricity bills will be reduced by 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:12.160 two hundred and seventy five dollars if they voted Labor earlier. Today, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:16.720 in a wreck interview with Sky's Laura Jays, the Minister 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:19.840 refused to admit Labour has broken this promise, saying he 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:23.959 was quote not walking away from that policy. When will 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.800 the Minister finally be straight with the Australian and people 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.680 and admit Labour's two hundred and seventy five dollars bill 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.719 cup promise has been broken now? 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:38.040 Chris Bowen already lost to Bill Shorten the twenty nineteen election. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.439 It was billed as the unlosable election with his radical 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:45.320 raft of high taxing policies, and now Chris Bowen could 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.840 very well help Albanezy lose the next election, as more 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.840 Australians question the lunacy of rushing a transition before the 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:57.560 energy system is ready, leaving us vulnerable to blackouts while 0:09:57.559 --> 0:10:02.080 paying massive energy bills. The Australian Simon Benson reports that 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.800 community support for the energy transition has fallen by double 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:11.760 digits in the past couple of months, Benson writes for 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.559 alban Easy Bowen will become more of a political liability 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.120 the longer he's given rain to pedal language that is 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:26.000 completely inaccessible to consumers whose priority has become price and reliability. 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.480 Now all of this is only going to shift support 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:34.760 for Peter Dutton's nuclear energy plan. His nuclear proposal initially 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:39.760 seemed highly controversial and politically risky, but now it's looking 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:42.280 like it could turn out to be a vote winner, 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.720 a solution to the energy madness we find ourselves in. 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:51.040 Now, as we've been. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.040 Talking about and laughing about for twenty four hours now. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:59.120 ABC chair Kim Williams has attacked podcaster Joe Rogan after 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.600 making some uninformed comments at the National Press Club. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:03.160 Have a look. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:10.520 I think people like mister Rogan pray on people's vulnerabilities. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:17.120 They pray on fear, they pray on anxiety, they pray 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:23.040 on all of the elements that contribute to uncertainty in society. 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.040 I personally find it deeply repulsive. 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.600 Repulsive. Well, he couldn't just stop there. 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.640 Kim Williams also had to show how he was so 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:37.439 much more superior to anyone who listened to Joe Rogan's podcast, 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.320 he said he was above it all. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:46.040 I am not a consumer or enthusiast about mister Rogan 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:51.040 and his work shocking. I am not one of the 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:55.440 three billion, and I'm unlikely to be three billion and 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:56.880 one anytime soon. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.080 Well, there are two things wrong with Kim Williams's comments. Firstly, 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:06.040 he's just playing wrong. Joe Rogan does in depth, deep 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.760 dive interviews with some of the most interesting and powerful 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.840 people in the world. He delves deeply into a subject 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:16.080 with literally the world expert in the field. He'll spend 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.240 three hours getting to know the ins and outs of 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.240 an individual and what they think about every topic under 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:26.280 the sun you can hear directly from the primary source. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.040 He interrogates them in a way that mostly in the 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:32.760 mainstream media we just don't have the time to do 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:37.360 in a ten minute interview. Joe Rogan spent three hours, 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.559 as you know, interviewing Donald Trump during. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.760 The election campaign, with questions like this. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.920 What was it like when you actually got in Because 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.240 nobody really can prepare you for that. When you're running 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.760 for president, you don't really know what it's going to 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.800 be like when you actually get into office. You're in there. 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.960 You have ten thousand appointments you have to make, so 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.160 you're getting advice from people. At one point, did you 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.880 have a moment in time where you realize, like, these 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.000 are bad choices, like some of these people I shouldn't 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.360 have had in there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact, correct, 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.679 Like look about the VP oil spill. There's a lot 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:16.040 of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating, and 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.080 you want to mitigate that as much as possible. 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:18.440 You do. 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.680 Look, I mean, just. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.680 In recent times alone, Joe Rogan has had Donald Trump, 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.960 Elon Musk, the successful startup investor, Mark Andresen, a US 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:31.679 Special Forces veteran actor, Josh Brolin, a world leading DJ, 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.319 then long form interviews. So when Kim Williams claims that 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.400 Joe Rogan prays on people's fear, he simply doesn't know 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.640 what he's talking about. 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:42.920 He hasn't listened. 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.360 The comments he made are pre judging something he knows 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:50.840 nothing about. They are only what he assumes Joe Rogan's 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.440 podcast is like, and it's nothing of the sort. But 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:57.040 my second issue with what Kim Williams said is just 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.920 how patronizing it is. How he thinks he's better than 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.600 billions of people around the world. He's made no secret 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:10.200 of the fact he loves classical music and opera, and 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:15.080 clearly he thinks his tastes are more refined than most people's. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:20.920 This arrogance is ill befitting the chair of Australia's taxpayer 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.520 funded broadcaster. It's precisely why people are so fed up 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.080 with media institutions and politicians. They think they're better than 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:32.840 everyone else. Opera is not better than Joe Rogan. It's 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:38.440 just not. The ABC should benefit all consumers, not just 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.000 the opera loving elite. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.440 All right, never had a clat before. 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.040 Let's bring in now Sky News host James McPherson and 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.720 commentator Jason Morrison. Welcome to you. 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:55.680 What do you think, Jason? I mean, this is just 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:57.840 pure smugness, isn't it. 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:59.960 It is it is, but it's right to the brain. 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.600 I mean he talks about, you know, Rogan praying on 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.160 the insecurities of people. Are the ABC? I don't see 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.320 Rogan framing up soldiers and adding things in to make 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.680 them look like war criminals. The ABC has got some 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.920 problems and the public is voting with its remote. I 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:18.320 mean last night television ratings eight hundred thousand people around 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.720 Australia eight hundred thousand only that many tuned into the 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.480 ABC's TV news. It puts it below seven, below nine. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.160 It puts it sort of where Channel ten is. It's failing, 0:15:29.400 --> 0:15:32.040 and it's failing because it's not doing what people want. 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.400 So he sits there and they all were, you know, 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:36.480 ha haharing about Joe Rogan. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:38.840 They thought it was fantastic. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.720 The problem with it is Joe Rogan's've got a staff 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.720 of what five I mean more people work on Media 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.160 Watch that work on Rogan's program. And you know, this 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.080 is the thing the ABC does not get. It's doing 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:55.320 something people don't want anymore. That's why they're not watching you. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.280 And it doesn't help when you know a so called chairman, 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:02.400 that's his approach to it is to belittle what the 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.120 audiences are turning to at the moment. I don't get 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:07.960 how they can't learn this. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:12.560 Is part of the election outcome in the US, James. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.239 It's because there's this elite attitude that people are rejecting 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.680 Joe Rogan. We don't agree with every of his and 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.320 he's not a right wing firebrand. By the way, he's 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.440 a contrarian, has different positions on things. I don't agree 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.280 with him on Israel, for example, but he interviews people 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:29.720 for hours at a time. 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:31.120 How can anyone object to that? 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.160 Well, I mean it's amazing, isn't. I think this is 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.840 why Kim Williams doesn't like Joe Rogan, because Kim Williams 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.920 has access to more than a billion dollars a year, 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.800 and you can't get near the audience or the influence 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.640 of Joe Rogan. Who's what his qualification is. He used 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.320 to be involved in World Federation Wrestling. No wonder Kim 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.200 Williams is jealous. You mentioned the Trump interview. I mean, 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.880 prior to that interview, Trump was hitler. Trump was a fascist. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.760 But Joe Rogan allowed Donald Trump to sit and talk 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.600 for three hours. We should note Kamala Harris didn't want 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:00.880 to talk for three hours because because three hours is 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.840 too long. She was but she made excuses to get 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.280 out of it, because three hours is too long to 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.720 stick to your talking points, which she would have done. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.600 But over three hours, people listened and found that Donald 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:14.320 Trump wasn't a madman. He wasn't crazy. Now, you might 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:16.600 not have agreed with him, but he wasn't the hitler 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.800 or the fascist he was being painted to be. And 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.639 the Joe Rogan interview really changed things up for the 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:25.280 US election. I got to say, when Kim Williams started 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.760 talking about media that was malevolent and you know, played 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.960 on people's fears and anxieties, I thought he was talking 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:33.880 about the ABC with their climate. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.119 Change cover exactly. Yeah. 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.080 I want to ask you about Chris Bowen because this 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:42.000 has been a very big story this week. Jason, we 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:46.000 faced blackouts. He's blaming Cole the fact that there wasn't 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.359 enough of it yesterday, and yet he's been rushing to 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:49.560 get Cole out of the system. 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.760 Yes, pretty amazing. Look as the sun moved from its 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.879 peak and started to drift towards the horizon as it 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.520 does at that end of the day. He can only 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.640 be thankful that at about four four o'clock yesterday, supplied 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:07.240 demand demand significantly dropped in New South Wales, probably because 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.359 they put a few phone calls into a few big 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.400 users of energy and said can you just shut down? 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.280 We are eft And that is the truth. If they 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.160 had kept demand up, we would have run out because 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.640 the sun stopped shining and the coal was all that did. 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.760 But you know, New South Wales and I guess I 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.359 talk about news my place, but New South Wales should 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.199 be thankful that Queensland still has common sense and Victoria 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.480 still has enough of it despite all that's gone on 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.160 in there politically. Over the history of the last ten years, 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.760 New South Wales has closed all of its coal generation 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.640 down bar a few Queensland's kept it going and thank 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:44.360 god Victoria has burnt brown coal, the dirtiest of the lot, 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.520 or we wouldn't have had power yesterday. 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:47.800 And that's the truth. 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.560 And you know, it's the kind of Matt Keane generation, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.119 the teenage advisors that have got into the heads of 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:57.040 people like that, and now we're seeing Bowen do disastrous 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.560 things as well that are leaving us with this crisis. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:03.159 Everyone has known we're going to have extra demand for 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.040 electricity because we know what life is like. We also 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:08.320 know we have a huge population growth going on at 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:10.760 the moment exactly that put them all together. The lines 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:12.040 are crossing and they're failing. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.719 You know, there's big immigration policy putting pressure not just 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.720 on the housing crisis that the housing supply, but also 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:21.080 of course in electricity grid. 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.320 But what James, this idea. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:27.199 Right, We're in first world country, it developed country, Australia, 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.359 and we have to time when we run the dishwasher 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.280 if we have a dishwasher, or time when we put 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.840 the air condish one if we have one, or don't 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:36.639 put it on as cold as you might want to. 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:40.439 If you'd told me fifteen years ago that in twenty 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.040 twenty four we'll be rationing electricity, I would have thought, what. 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:45.520 Disaster befell us. 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.680 I would have imagined no disaster, just Chris Bowen, which 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:50.920 I suppose, as you poured out in your brilliant editorial, 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.920 is kind of a disaster. Chris Mins made a brilliant 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:58.199 point when he told Sydney siders from three pm, can 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.679 you please turn off all your cliances, because he said, 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.320 at three pm, solar really doesn't produce much energy. It's 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.359 also the same time everyone is arriving home. Well, he 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:11.160 just rang the bell, didn't he. That's what we've been saying. 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.800 Solar is wonderful, but it doesn't supply power when most 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:19.240 people are using it. So it's absolutely unbelievable that as 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.679 a first world country, we're being told don't use your dishwasher, 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.800 don't wash your clothes, try not to. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:25.480 Put the air con on. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.399 And Chris Bowen said, it's a severe heat wave. I 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.960 mean it was twenty eight degrees in Port mcquarie, it 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.800 was thirty two in the city center. It was thirty 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.520 nine in Penrith. But you deserve that if you live 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.719 in Penrith. I mean, that's hardly a heat If it was, 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:40.520 it's summer. 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.840 It wasn't a severe him Bowen. 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.879 Is from Fairfield. He's from Fairfield in Sydney. You know, 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.000 Fairfield in Sydney is right at the peak of the West. 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.760 He knows yesterday wasn't a hot day. He knows it 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:53.080 didn't even come close. 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:53.439 To it exactly. 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:55.679 And you know I heard Barnaby Joyce say earlier that, 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:57.879 you know, when he was in Queensland round Saint George 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:01.159 in Queensland, you used to have fought nights over forty 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:02.800 You know, this is not a. 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:04.400 Shock to Australia. What's going on. 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.840 And some of the dimwits in the Australian media who 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.760 kind of use phrases like extreme heat and heat wave 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.960 and all that bullshit, it just does not match reality. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:16.199 And we're unfortunately letting these clowns get away with it. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.880 They should actually be put on trial for what they 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:22.280 have done to our country, not rewarded with positive spin. 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:24.520 It's such a mess and this is just another one 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:25.639 of them. I'm going to say it again. 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:30.560 Albotrocities came up with that last week, albuutrocities. This energy 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.760 crisis is just another one on the list of albautrosities, 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.680 and it's going to turn people off him ahead of 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:36.600 the next election. 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:38.080 I really don't want. 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:41.640 To talk about Lydia Thorpe because I just can't stand 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:42.400 watching her. 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:44.040 It just makes me so annoyed. 0:21:44.040 --> 0:21:45.679 But I feel like we can't ignore it because it 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.240 was such a big story in Canberra. Today she pulled 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:51.200 another one of her tiresome stunts. 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:52.360 She stormed up to the. 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:55.959 Press gallery in the Senate after being banned from the Senate, 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.720 so she wanted to still make herself heard and she 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.199