Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening.
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen is fast becoming a political liability. He rush
Speaker 3: to renewables has left our energy grid just unable to
Speaker 3: handle a few warm days. He's been blamed for costing
Speaker 3: Bill Shot in the twenty nineteen election. Will now he's
Speaker 3: becoming Peter Dutton's best asset.
Speaker 2: More on that in a moment. Also coming up.
Speaker 3: On the show, the cost of Living Crisis Far from Over,
Speaker 3: Economist Warren Hogan will join us with some home truths
Speaker 3: and Labor mp fom A Labor and p Michael Danby
Speaker 3: has added to claims that Penny Wong's got a bit
Speaker 3: of a habit of calling people into office for a
Speaker 3: dressing down after they criticized China.
Speaker 2: Well, Michael will be on.
Speaker 3: The show and he's going to tell us exactly what
Speaker 3: happened behind.
Speaker 2: The closed doors. That exclusive coming.
Speaker 3: Up plas across Live to Israel for an exclusive with
Speaker 3: the Deputy Foreign Minister. She is fired up over the
Speaker 3: Albanezy government's refusal to issue a visa to her former colleague,
Speaker 3: despite the fact they fast tracked nearly three thousand visas
Speaker 3: for a terrorist controlled war zone. How will Israel hit
Speaker 3: back at our government. We'll find out a little later,
Speaker 3: but first, as the energy network clings on by a thread,
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen has sparked outrage by claiming cole is the
Speaker 3: biggest threat to reliability.
Speaker 2: Bowen is an unfortunate energy minister. He was a disaster
Speaker 2: in the Treasury portfolio.
Speaker 3: He proposed so many controversial taxes that he all about
Speaker 3: lost Bill Shorten the unlosable election. Now he's a disaster
Speaker 3: as Energy minister and we're all suffering. Chris Bowen has
Speaker 3: blamed the fact that there was not enough coulified power
Speaker 3: stations operating yesterday for the perilous supply.
Speaker 4: The biggest threat to reliability in our energy system is
Speaker 4: coal fire power stations.
Speaker 3: Well, I'd say the biggest threat to reliability in our
Speaker 3: energy system isn't colfied power stations. It's this bloke, Chris Bowen.
Speaker 3: Let's just reiterate that crucial point again. There was a
Speaker 3: real risk of blackouts in New South Wales yesterday and
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen has blamed the fact that.
Speaker 2: There was not enough coal in the system for this.
Speaker 2: Not enough coal.
Speaker 3: When Bowen has spent every waking moment trying to get
Speaker 3: coal out of Australia's energy system, and now he blames
Speaker 3: the fact there wasn't enough of it and so we
Speaker 3: had this energy crisis.
Speaker 2: Well, this is what all.
Speaker 3: The experts have been warning about, rushing the transition to renewables,
Speaker 3: shutting down colfiede power stations when there's not enough storage
Speaker 3: capacity or alternative baseload power like.
Speaker 2: Gas, and thus being left.
Speaker 3: Without enough power to run businesses, hospitals and households.
Speaker 2: The utter audacity of the guy.
Speaker 3: Here he was this morning with Laura Jays blaming the
Speaker 3: shortage of coal for the fact we risked blackouts yesterday.
Speaker 4: And we are building the transmission and the storage and
Speaker 4: backed by gas speaking when necessary to ensure a reliable system.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 4: The least reliable part of our energy grid at the
Speaker 4: moment is cal firepower. That's just a statement of fact.
Speaker 3: Well, the breakdowns are happening because there's been zero investment
Speaker 3: to extend their life cycle, zero investment in ensuring their
Speaker 3: ongoing capability. Yes, there were colfied power failures yesterday that
Speaker 3: were partly behind the crisis, which shows just how crucial
Speaker 3: coulfide power is to our energy grid. How the very
Speaker 3: operation of our country, whether we like it or not,
Speaker 3: relies at the moment on culfide power, and the ideologues
Speaker 3: like him have refused to invest in the infrastructure to
Speaker 3: keep coal up and running for longer. They've rushed and
Speaker 3: encouraged the closure of coal.
Speaker 2: Fired power stations.
Speaker 3: Now, of course, we'd all love to be in an
Speaker 3: ideal world where we have solely renewable energy that has
Speaker 3: no carbon impact, but we're far from that scenario and
Speaker 3: we have to be realistic about it. So Chris Bowen
Speaker 3: rushes the closure of coulfide power stations and then wonders
Speaker 3: why we don't have enough power to keep the lights
Speaker 3: on now. One of the first things that New Southell's
Speaker 3: Premier Chris Mens did when he won office was to
Speaker 3: extend the life cycle of the Eraring Power.
Speaker 2: Station, and here he was explaining.
Speaker 3: A decision that the coalition had opposed in October.
Speaker 5: We've been very clear, however, that there's a very narrow
Speaker 5: path for us to walk to transition from coal fired
Speaker 5: power energy gener in the state to renewable energy. That's
Speaker 5: one of the reasons why we made a decision to
Speaker 5: keep the ira In Power station open for longer. So
Speaker 5: that we could have a little bit of buffer to
Speaker 5: get the Central West Irana renewable energy program up and running,
Speaker 5: as well as all of our other projects in the state.
Speaker 5: We don't want to see the house. We don't want
Speaker 5: to see lights go off. We don't want to see
Speaker 5: prices increase off. They're already high peaks now.
Speaker 3: Extending the life cycle of the Era and Coulified power
Speaker 3: station was a move that former Liberal Treasurer and Energy
Speaker 3: Minister Matt Kean was against, and now Matt Kean is
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen's partner in crime at the Climate Change Authority.
Speaker 3: But the worst part is this, We've had this near
Speaker 3: breakdown this week and we're not even in a severe
Speaker 3: heat wave.
Speaker 2: It's normal in summer to have hot days.
Speaker 3: It's hardly a newsflash to say Australia is hot in summer.
Speaker 3: It's part of the appeal of our country and we're
Speaker 3: just three days away from summer. This sort of warm
Speaker 3: weather is precisely what governments and so called energy experts
Speaker 3: should expect. It's the very nature of our Aussie climate.
Speaker 3: It shouldn't come as a surprise and then lead to
Speaker 3: a moment of crisis where everyone is told to turn.
Speaker 2: Off their dishwashers and their lights. Well.
Speaker 3: One of the issues with this government is that Chris
Speaker 3: Bowin is both the Environment and the Energy Minister, two
Speaker 3: portfolios that are a.
Speaker 2: Contradiction in terms.
Speaker 3: As Energy Minister, his focus should be keeping the lights on,
Speaker 3: but instead his task is corrupted by putting environmental priorities
Speaker 3: above the operation of our country. This means a rush
Speaker 3: transition to renewables before the infrastructure.
Speaker 2: Is in place.
Speaker 3: As AEMO has wanned, the risk of blackouts is now
Speaker 3: high over summer. One expert economists Poor Broad who is
Speaker 3: the former boss of the Snowy Hydro project. He told
Speaker 3: the Daily Telegraph, and I'm quoting now, we've had some
Speaker 3: really mild summers over the past three or four years.
Speaker 3: It's hidden the precarious position that our energy sector has
Speaker 3: got itself into. It's a reflection on some of the
Speaker 3: really ill considered policies and the rush to close our
Speaker 3: baseload power plants. He is absolutely spot on. And that
Speaker 3: article is titled mass blackouts feared as Australia's third World
Speaker 3: power grid buckles under weight of a raging summer. Now,
Speaker 3: this all has serious political consequences because not only are
Speaker 3: we facing blackouts, but we're paying more for the privilege
Speaker 3: of having power adages. It's pretty extraordinary for governments to
Speaker 3: tell families to turn off their air conditioner and not
Speaker 3: run their appliances in a first world country, and at
Speaker 3: the same time as power bills are at record high. Now,
Speaker 3: putting aside the energy rebates, Peter Dutton is arguing that
Speaker 3: after two and a half years of the Albanese government,
Speaker 3: power prices are up thirty one percent. No voter could
Speaker 3: possibly forget that. When Anthony Albanese was desperate to become
Speaker 3: prime minister, he promised over and over again that electricity
Speaker 3: bills would be two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 4: Cheaper, reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 6: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 6: a year, two.
Speaker 7: Hundred and seventy five dollars a year.
Speaker 3: The promise was made ninety seven times before the last election,
Speaker 3: ninety seven times. Now ahead of the next ventrial election,
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton will campaign that this is a major broken
Speaker 3: promise and that political tactic featured in question time today.
Speaker 8: My question is to the Minister for Climate Change and
Speaker 8: Energy next week mark's three years since the now minister
Speaker 8: first promise Australians their electricity bills will be reduced by
Speaker 8: two hundred and seventy five dollars if they voted Labor earlier. Today,
Speaker 8: in a wreck interview with Sky's Laura Jays, the Minister
Speaker 8: refused to admit Labour has broken this promise, saying he
Speaker 8: was quote not walking away from that policy. When will
Speaker 8: the Minister finally be straight with the Australian and people
Speaker 8: and admit Labour's two hundred and seventy five dollars bill
Speaker 8: cup promise has been broken now?
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen already lost to Bill Shorten the twenty nineteen election.
Speaker 3: It was billed as the unlosable election with his radical
Speaker 3: raft of high taxing policies, and now Chris Bowen could
Speaker 3: very well help Albanezy lose the next election, as more
Speaker 3: Australians question the lunacy of rushing a transition before the
Speaker 3: energy system is ready, leaving us vulnerable to blackouts while
Speaker 3: paying massive energy bills. The Australian Simon Benson reports that
Speaker 3: community support for the energy transition has fallen by double
Speaker 3: digits in the past couple of months, Benson writes for
Speaker 3: alban Easy Bowen will become more of a political liability
Speaker 3: the longer he's given rain to pedal language that is
Speaker 3: completely inaccessible to consumers whose priority has become price and reliability.
Speaker 3: Now all of this is only going to shift support
Speaker 3: for Peter Dutton's nuclear energy plan. His nuclear proposal initially
Speaker 3: seemed highly controversial and politically risky, but now it's looking
Speaker 3: like it could turn out to be a vote winner,
Speaker 3: a solution to the energy madness we find ourselves in.
Speaker 2: Now, as we've been.
Speaker 3: Talking about and laughing about for twenty four hours now.
Speaker 3: ABC chair Kim Williams has attacked podcaster Joe Rogan after
Speaker 3: making some uninformed comments at the National Press Club.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 9: I think people like mister Rogan pray on people's vulnerabilities.
Speaker 9: They pray on fear, they pray on anxiety, they pray
Speaker 9: on all of the elements that contribute to uncertainty in society.
Speaker 9: I personally find it deeply repulsive.
Speaker 2: Repulsive. Well, he couldn't just stop there.
Speaker 3: Kim Williams also had to show how he was so
Speaker 3: much more superior to anyone who listened to Joe Rogan's podcast,
Speaker 3: he said he was above it all.
Speaker 9: I am not a consumer or enthusiast about mister Rogan
Speaker 9: and his work shocking. I am not one of the
Speaker 9: three billion, and I'm unlikely to be three billion and
Speaker 9: one anytime soon.
Speaker 3: Well, there are two things wrong with Kim Williams's comments. Firstly,
Speaker 3: he's just playing wrong. Joe Rogan does in depth, deep
Speaker 3: dive interviews with some of the most interesting and powerful
Speaker 3: people in the world. He delves deeply into a subject
Speaker 3: with literally the world expert in the field. He'll spend
Speaker 3: three hours getting to know the ins and outs of
Speaker 3: an individual and what they think about every topic under
Speaker 3: the sun you can hear directly from the primary source.
Speaker 3: He interrogates them in a way that mostly in the
Speaker 3: mainstream media we just don't have the time to do
Speaker 3: in a ten minute interview. Joe Rogan spent three hours,
Speaker 3: as you know, interviewing Donald Trump during.
Speaker 2: The election campaign, with questions like this.
Speaker 6: What was it like when you actually got in Because
Speaker 6: nobody really can prepare you for that. When you're running
Speaker 6: for president, you don't really know what it's going to
Speaker 6: be like when you actually get into office. You're in there.
Speaker 6: You have ten thousand appointments you have to make, so
Speaker 6: you're getting advice from people. At one point, did you
Speaker 6: have a moment in time where you realize, like, these
Speaker 6: are bad choices, like some of these people I shouldn't
Speaker 6: have had in there are legitimate concerns about environmental impact, correct,
Speaker 6: Like look about the VP oil spill. There's a lot
Speaker 6: of things that do happen that are environmentally devastating, and
Speaker 6: you want to mitigate that as much as possible.
Speaker 5: You do.
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, just.
Speaker 3: In recent times alone, Joe Rogan has had Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, the successful startup investor, Mark Andresen, a US
Speaker 3: Special Forces veteran actor, Josh Brolin, a world leading DJ,
Speaker 3: then long form interviews. So when Kim Williams claims that
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan prays on people's fear, he simply doesn't know
Speaker 3: what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: He hasn't listened.
Speaker 3: The comments he made are pre judging something he knows
Speaker 3: nothing about. They are only what he assumes Joe Rogan's
Speaker 3: podcast is like, and it's nothing of the sort. But
Speaker 3: my second issue with what Kim Williams said is just
Speaker 3: how patronizing it is. How he thinks he's better than
Speaker 3: billions of people around the world. He's made no secret
Speaker 3: of the fact he loves classical music and opera, and
Speaker 3: clearly he thinks his tastes are more refined than most people's.
Speaker 3: This arrogance is ill befitting the chair of Australia's taxpayer
Speaker 3: funded broadcaster. It's precisely why people are so fed up
Speaker 3: with media institutions and politicians. They think they're better than
Speaker 3: everyone else. Opera is not better than Joe Rogan. It's
Speaker 3: just not. The ABC should benefit all consumers, not just
Speaker 3: the opera loving elite.
Speaker 2: All right, never had a clat before.
Speaker 3: Let's bring in now Sky News host James McPherson and
Speaker 3: commentator Jason Morrison. Welcome to you.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Jason? I mean, this is just
Speaker 2: pure smugness, isn't it.
Speaker 10: It is it is, but it's right to the brain.
Speaker 10: I mean he talks about, you know, Rogan praying on
Speaker 10: the insecurities of people. Are the ABC? I don't see
Speaker 10: Rogan framing up soldiers and adding things in to make
Speaker 10: them look like war criminals. The ABC has got some
Speaker 10: problems and the public is voting with its remote. I
Speaker 10: mean last night television ratings eight hundred thousand people around
Speaker 10: Australia eight hundred thousand only that many tuned into the
Speaker 10: ABC's TV news. It puts it below seven, below nine.
Speaker 10: It puts it sort of where Channel ten is. It's failing,
Speaker 10: and it's failing because it's not doing what people want.
Speaker 10: So he sits there and they all were, you know,
Speaker 10: ha haharing about Joe Rogan.
Speaker 1: They thought it was fantastic.
Speaker 10: The problem with it is Joe Rogan's've got a staff
Speaker 10: of what five I mean more people work on Media
Speaker 10: Watch that work on Rogan's program. And you know, this
Speaker 10: is the thing the ABC does not get. It's doing
Speaker 10: something people don't want anymore. That's why they're not watching you.
Speaker 10: And it doesn't help when you know a so called chairman,
Speaker 10: that's his approach to it is to belittle what the
Speaker 10: audiences are turning to at the moment. I don't get
Speaker 10: how they can't learn this.
Speaker 3: Is part of the election outcome in the US, James.
Speaker 3: It's because there's this elite attitude that people are rejecting
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan. We don't agree with every of his and
Speaker 3: he's not a right wing firebrand. By the way, he's
Speaker 3: a contrarian, has different positions on things. I don't agree
Speaker 3: with him on Israel, for example, but he interviews people
Speaker 3: for hours at a time.
Speaker 2: How can anyone object to that?
Speaker 11: Well, I mean it's amazing, isn't. I think this is
Speaker 11: why Kim Williams doesn't like Joe Rogan, because Kim Williams
Speaker 11: has access to more than a billion dollars a year,
Speaker 11: and you can't get near the audience or the influence
Speaker 11: of Joe Rogan. Who's what his qualification is. He used
Speaker 11: to be involved in World Federation Wrestling. No wonder Kim
Speaker 11: Williams is jealous. You mentioned the Trump interview. I mean,
Speaker 11: prior to that interview, Trump was hitler. Trump was a fascist.
Speaker 11: But Joe Rogan allowed Donald Trump to sit and talk
Speaker 11: for three hours. We should note Kamala Harris didn't want
Speaker 11: to talk for three hours because because three hours is
Speaker 11: too long. She was but she made excuses to get
Speaker 11: out of it, because three hours is too long to
Speaker 11: stick to your talking points, which she would have done.
Speaker 11: But over three hours, people listened and found that Donald
Speaker 11: Trump wasn't a madman. He wasn't crazy. Now, you might
Speaker 11: not have agreed with him, but he wasn't the hitler
Speaker 11: or the fascist he was being painted to be. And
Speaker 11: the Joe Rogan interview really changed things up for the
Speaker 11: US election. I got to say, when Kim Williams started
Speaker 11: talking about media that was malevolent and you know, played
Speaker 11: on people's fears and anxieties, I thought he was talking
Speaker 11: about the ABC with their climate.
Speaker 2: Change cover exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about Chris Bowen because this
Speaker 3: has been a very big story this week. Jason, we
Speaker 3: faced blackouts. He's blaming Cole the fact that there wasn't
Speaker 3: enough of it yesterday, and yet he's been rushing to
Speaker 3: get Cole out of the system.
Speaker 10: Yes, pretty amazing. Look as the sun moved from its
Speaker 10: peak and started to drift towards the horizon as it
Speaker 10: does at that end of the day. He can only
Speaker 10: be thankful that at about four four o'clock yesterday, supplied
Speaker 10: demand demand significantly dropped in New South Wales, probably because
Speaker 10: they put a few phone calls into a few big
Speaker 10: users of energy and said can you just shut down?
Speaker 10: We are eft And that is the truth. If they
Speaker 10: had kept demand up, we would have run out because
Speaker 10: the sun stopped shining and the coal was all that did.
Speaker 10: But you know, New South Wales and I guess I
Speaker 10: talk about news my place, but New South Wales should
Speaker 10: be thankful that Queensland still has common sense and Victoria
Speaker 10: still has enough of it despite all that's gone on
Speaker 10: in there politically. Over the history of the last ten years,
Speaker 10: New South Wales has closed all of its coal generation
Speaker 10: down bar a few Queensland's kept it going and thank
Speaker 10: god Victoria has burnt brown coal, the dirtiest of the lot,
Speaker 10: or we wouldn't have had power yesterday.
Speaker 1: And that's the truth.
Speaker 10: And you know, it's the kind of Matt Keane generation,
Speaker 10: the teenage advisors that have got into the heads of
Speaker 10: people like that, and now we're seeing Bowen do disastrous
Speaker 10: things as well that are leaving us with this crisis.
Speaker 10: Everyone has known we're going to have extra demand for
Speaker 10: electricity because we know what life is like. We also
Speaker 10: know we have a huge population growth going on at
Speaker 10: the moment exactly that put them all together. The lines
Speaker 10: are crossing and they're failing.
Speaker 3: You know, there's big immigration policy putting pressure not just
Speaker 3: on the housing crisis that the housing supply, but also
Speaker 3: of course in electricity grid.
Speaker 2: But what James, this idea.
Speaker 3: Right, We're in first world country, it developed country, Australia,
Speaker 3: and we have to time when we run the dishwasher
Speaker 3: if we have a dishwasher, or time when we put
Speaker 3: the air condish one if we have one, or don't
Speaker 3: put it on as cold as you might want to.
Speaker 11: If you'd told me fifteen years ago that in twenty
Speaker 11: twenty four we'll be rationing electricity, I would have thought, what.
Speaker 1: Disaster befell us.
Speaker 11: I would have imagined no disaster, just Chris Bowen, which
Speaker 11: I suppose, as you poured out in your brilliant editorial,
Speaker 11: is kind of a disaster. Chris Mins made a brilliant
Speaker 11: point when he told Sydney siders from three pm, can
Speaker 11: you please turn off all your cliances, because he said,
Speaker 11: at three pm, solar really doesn't produce much energy. It's
Speaker 11: also the same time everyone is arriving home. Well, he
Speaker 11: just rang the bell, didn't he. That's what we've been saying.
Speaker 11: Solar is wonderful, but it doesn't supply power when most
Speaker 11: people are using it. So it's absolutely unbelievable that as
Speaker 11: a first world country, we're being told don't use your dishwasher,
Speaker 11: don't wash your clothes, try not to.
Speaker 1: Put the air con on.
Speaker 11: And Chris Bowen said, it's a severe heat wave. I
Speaker 11: mean it was twenty eight degrees in Port mcquarie, it
Speaker 11: was thirty two in the city center. It was thirty
Speaker 11: nine in Penrith. But you deserve that if you live
Speaker 11: in Penrith. I mean, that's hardly a heat If it was,
Speaker 11: it's summer.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a severe him Bowen.
Speaker 10: Is from Fairfield. He's from Fairfield in Sydney. You know,
Speaker 10: Fairfield in Sydney is right at the peak of the West.
Speaker 10: He knows yesterday wasn't a hot day. He knows it
Speaker 10: didn't even come close.
Speaker 1: To it exactly.
Speaker 10: And you know I heard Barnaby Joyce say earlier that,
Speaker 10: you know, when he was in Queensland round Saint George
Speaker 10: in Queensland, you used to have fought nights over forty
Speaker 10: You know, this is not a.
Speaker 7: Shock to Australia. What's going on.
Speaker 10: And some of the dimwits in the Australian media who
Speaker 10: kind of use phrases like extreme heat and heat wave
Speaker 10: and all that bullshit, it just does not match reality.
Speaker 10: And we're unfortunately letting these clowns get away with it.
Speaker 10: They should actually be put on trial for what they
Speaker 10: have done to our country, not rewarded with positive spin.
Speaker 2: It's such a mess and this is just another one
Speaker 2: of them. I'm going to say it again.
Speaker 3: Albotrocities came up with that last week, albuutrocities. This energy
Speaker 3: crisis is just another one on the list of albautrosities,
Speaker 3: and it's going to turn people off him ahead of
Speaker 3: the next election.
Speaker 2: I really don't want.
Speaker 3: To talk about Lydia Thorpe because I just can't stand
Speaker 3: watching her.
Speaker 2: It just makes me so annoyed.
Speaker 3: But I feel like we can't ignore it because it
Speaker 3: was such a big story in Canberra. Today she pulled
Speaker 3: another one of her tiresome stunts.
Speaker 2: She stormed up to the.
Speaker 3: Press gallery in the Senate after being banned from the Senate,
Speaker 3: so she wanted to still make herself heard and she
Speaker 3: was very palf.
Speaker 1: I call the clerk.
Speaker 4: I called the clerk.
Speaker 2: I mean, she just couldn't help herself, James.
Speaker 3: She just is desperate for attention and it's so frustrating
Speaker 3: to think she's still going to be a Senator until
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I watched an interview with her on the ABC this morning.
Speaker 11: And what got my attention was that over the course
Speaker 11: of four and a half minutes of an interview, she
Speaker 11: used the word racism or racist seventeen times. That's once
Speaker 11: every fifteen seconds. And remember this all began in reference
Speaker 11: to Pauline Hanson questioning Senator Payman's eligibility to sit in
Speaker 11: the Senate, which is the same question that was raised
Speaker 11: of Barnaby Joyce. It wasn't racist then, but now it's
Speaker 11: suddenly racist, and Lydia Thorpe just continually uses race as
Speaker 11: an excuse to, you know, exercise the most appalling behavior
Speaker 11: that would never be tolerated by anyone else. I should
Speaker 11: point out that not once did the ABC viewers pull
Speaker 11: her up over this allegation of racism. They allowed her
Speaker 11: to get away with it. And that's a big reason
Speaker 11: why Lydia Thorpe has been allowed to continue like this,
Speaker 11: because the mainstream media don't pick her up and call
Speaker 11: her out for her behavior.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so surprising because there hasn't been any racism
Speaker 3: against her. People's objections have got nothing to do with
Speaker 3: her race and or to do with her conduct.
Speaker 10: Look, she's not quite right, you know, I mean, look
Speaker 10: at it, you know, and I know you're worried about
Speaker 10: me saying something diffamatory here, so I will minimize my
Speaker 10: discussion here, but I think that is the best way
Speaker 10: of dealing with it. She's not right and she shouldn't
Speaker 10: be in the House. And what should shock the hell
Speaker 10: out of Australia is she's there until June twenty eight.
Speaker 10: She's not even halfway through the term. Yet she's there
Speaker 10: for as long as Matt Canavan is there. You know,
Speaker 10: there's reality, Australia. That's what you got, That's what your
Speaker 10: parliaments delivered you.
Speaker 2: The Senate is not pretty at all, all right.
Speaker 3: Jason Morrison, James mcphirst and James will see you back
Speaker 3: here at ten o'clock tonight, late debate.
Speaker 2: Don't miss it. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Well, let's turn to the inflation data this week. It
Speaker 3: has been a shock for mortgage holders as well as
Speaker 3: the alban eazy government. Underlying inflation this is the RBA's
Speaker 3: preferred measure has risen to three point five percent for
Speaker 3: the month of October. Now, let's bring in to discuss this.
Speaker 3: Judo Bank Chief Economist Warren Hogan. Warren, great to see
Speaker 3: you again. Look your reading of these CPI figures, it
Speaker 3: seems like the cost of living crisis is far from over.
Speaker 12: What do you think, Yeah, Hi, Sherry, thanks for having
Speaker 12: me on the show. Exactly right. The headline numbers are
Speaker 12: obviously heavily distorted by these government subsidies, particularly the energy subsidian.
Speaker 12: While that is obviously assistance with cost of living, it's
Speaker 12: a very different thing to inflation, and that's a process
Speaker 12: in the economy that puts pressure on all prices. And
Speaker 12: of course these figures highlight that while headline inflation was
Speaker 12: only up two point one, core inflation, underlining inflation is
Speaker 12: probably more like three point five. We're even a bit
Speaker 12: higher because that number is also slightly affected by these subsidies,
Speaker 12: So it's not a disaster. It highlights that inflation is
Speaker 12: gradually coming down in this country, pretty much in line
Speaker 12: with what the RBA is forecasting. But that doesn't give
Speaker 12: us any wiggle room for rate cuts anytime soon.
Speaker 3: And that's before we've seen, you know, the pre election
Speaker 3: spending that the Albanezi government is likely to do if
Speaker 3: they do hand out pre election sweetness, and we know
Speaker 3: Albaneze is going to be inclined to do this to
Speaker 3: try and win over voters. Who are deserting him, and
Speaker 3: the polls show that they are. How much pressure would
Speaker 3: this put on inflation.
Speaker 12: Well, I think it's a real problem for the economy
Speaker 12: because we're going to see evidence next week of GDP
Speaker 12: growth picking up, and we're seeing this in a range
Speaker 12: of indicators that the economy sort of isn't sort of
Speaker 12: dead and buried as some people would like to think,
Speaker 12: it's actually on an improve We're generating jobs and we're
Speaker 12: seeing the first green shoots of recovery and consumer spending,
Speaker 12: and that will probably take us into next year. And
Speaker 12: if we get a lot of government spending on top
Speaker 12: of that, and this all happens before inflation is under control,
Speaker 12: well the worst cases, of course, inflation picks up again
Speaker 12: and we have to see rate rises and that would
Speaker 12: really risk a recession. So this is a critical period
Speaker 12: for the economy and the last thing that's going to
Speaker 12: need is more government stimulus in the form of short
Speaker 12: term handouts.
Speaker 3: We've also seen suggestions this week that our living standards
Speaker 3: are worse than during the past four recessions. How do
Speaker 3: you think families are feeling this in terms of household
Speaker 3: disposable income.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Well, it's quite clear in the data that the
Speaker 12: standard of living impact of this post COVID adjustment is
Speaker 12: much more severe here than in most countries. And of
Speaker 12: course this is essentially people being able to get less
Speaker 12: with their income and they're feeling it. Everyone's feeling it
Speaker 12: around discretionary and the little luxuries of life. But then
Speaker 12: now it's to a point where it's really hurting some
Speaker 12: some households of the essentials and we're seeing this, I
Speaker 12: think showing up in a range of social measures around
Speaker 12: people needing the food bank, needing support and of course
Speaker 12: banks having to provide special considerations. So it's because this
Speaker 12: is dragging on. It's because it's been going on for
Speaker 12: so long, and it's because we're unwilling to address the
Speaker 12: problem head on, not raise rates enough, or government's not
Speaker 12: spend and that's elongating this and dragging it all out.
Speaker 3: I mean you just said then you know that it's
Speaker 3: more severe than in most other countries. We have seen
Speaker 3: some comparisons to other OECD nations where Australia isn't faring
Speaker 3: as well in the inflation fight and as well in
Speaker 3: the household disposable income.
Speaker 2: I mean, just how much worse off are we?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I mean, look, there's a range of context on this,
Speaker 12: and it needs to be in the context that we're
Speaker 12: we got to over the last thirty years was one
Speaker 12: of the wealthiest nations on earth, and then the spendethon
Speaker 12: that was the sort of immediate aftermath of the pandemic
Speaker 12: also needs to be considered. But the reality is is
Speaker 12: that the backward step we've taken is somewhere around eight
Speaker 12: to ten percent, whereas most countries it's more like five.
Speaker 12: Now we've also done better in employment than most countries,
Speaker 12: so more people have got jobs. But as part of
Speaker 12: that process, we haven't raised interest rates and therefore allowed
Speaker 12: this inflation to hit everyone. So we sort of everyone's
Speaker 12: paying the price to ensure that employment continues to grow,
Speaker 12: is one way to look at it. But of course
Speaker 12: everyone is paying that price, and of course it also
Speaker 12: means other things like higher interest rates for longer and
Speaker 12: of course the other one which people don't talk about
Speaker 12: enough is bracket creep and a higher income tax burden,
Speaker 12: which I think really hurting people out there, and I
Speaker 12: don't think it's right that it's a hidden form of
Speaker 12: a tax increase that people don't fully understand.
Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent and you know, I never understand
Speaker 3: why our tax system isn't linked the tax rates aren't
Speaker 3: linked to CPI like they are in many other.
Speaker 2: Parts of the world. I mean this should be adjusted,
Speaker 2: shouldn't it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, about half the world's advanced economies have this indexation.
Speaker 12: And I think that the mythology in this country is, well,
Speaker 12: the Labor Party likes to spend it and the Liberal
Speaker 12: Party likes to give you a tax cut every sort
Speaker 12: of five to ten years and make you feel like
Speaker 12: they're doing something for you. But there is an economic
Speaker 12: reality to this that we're seeing in this inflation episode,
Speaker 12: which of course in the last thirty years of low
Speaker 12: inflation wasn't as critical because it wasn't as obvious. But
Speaker 12: we are in a more inflationary world and I think
Speaker 12: this has to be addressed because the size of government
Speaker 12: in this country is getting to new record levels and
Speaker 12: I am very concerned about that.
Speaker 3: It would be a good election announcement for Peter Dutton
Speaker 3: and a good election promise for him to say that
Speaker 3: he will ad to rest this issue because you're right,
Speaker 3: bracket creep eats up the wage growth that we have
Speaker 3: seen under labor all right, Warren Hogan, thank you very
Speaker 3: much for your time.
Speaker 2: Now still to.
Speaker 3: Calm the Albaneze government's mad scrambling Canberra doing a deal
Speaker 3: with the devil to pass legislation, plus will cross live
Speaker 3: to Israel with the Deputy Foreign Minister. Now she is
Speaker 3: fired up at the Albanese government after its snub of
Speaker 3: a former Israeli politician that exclusive right after.
Speaker 2: The break.
Speaker 3: Breaking news This afternoon, a second man has been arrested
Speaker 3: in connection with the anti Semitic vandalism across Sydney.
Speaker 2: This is in Wallara.
Speaker 3: A nineteen year old man, Thomas Thomas Stosanovsky, was arrested
Speaker 3: at his home today in Arncliffe in Sydney. He was
Speaker 3: charged with twenty one offenses, fourteen of them relating to
Speaker 3: destruction or damage to property. He was also charged with
Speaker 3: behaving in an offensive manner and disguising his face with
Speaker 3: an intent to commit an indictable offense. Now, at the
Speaker 3: same time as this anti semitism is unfolding in Sydney,
Speaker 3: the Albanezy government has been weak and limp, and worse,
Speaker 3: they've offended Israel by refusing to issue a visa to
Speaker 3: a former Israeli minister. I let Shaquette, even though she
Speaker 3: has family here and came here without issue in March
Speaker 3: last year, and nothing has changed since then except October seven.
Speaker 2: Israel is pretty furious about this.
Speaker 3: On Tuesday night, i Let, in an exclusive interview, told
Speaker 3: me she expected that big consequences.
Speaker 14: I think your Minister of Interior should be shame of himself.
Speaker 14: That is just trying, you know, to impress a radical
Speaker 14: Muslim minority and instead, you know, is hurting the feeling
Speaker 14: of the Jewish community in Israel and the relationship with Israel.
Speaker 2: You know, I spoke with.
Speaker 14: The Minister of Falling Affairs Inism and with the ambassador,
Speaker 14: and definitely there will be consequences to this brutal act.
Speaker 3: So her visa refusal is despite the Albanesi government fast
Speaker 3: tracking visas for nearly three thousand gardens from a terrorist.
Speaker 2: Controlled war zone.
Speaker 3: Well, now for an exclusive interview, let's bring in Israel's
Speaker 3: Deputy Foreign Minister, Charen Haskell Sharan, congratulations in your promotion.
Speaker 2: What is your.
Speaker 3: Response to this hostile, hostile move by the Albanese government.
Speaker 13: Well, this actions is completely unacceptable, especially between countries who supposed.
Speaker 1: To be allies.
Speaker 13: I mean, there is no justification for this offensive action
Speaker 13: and for me personally, you know, I'm worried about that
Speaker 13: kind of decision and I think it should travel any
Speaker 13: Australian citizen. Look, I views political views are not very
Speaker 13: different than a yel It's one. I was a resident
Speaker 13: of Australia and if iel It comes to Australia to
Speaker 13: have a discussion, this should be a concern for every
Speaker 13: citizen and his freedom of speech or freedom of information
Speaker 13: to hear a different opinion. And the government is restricting
Speaker 13: people from coming and voicing a different opinion.
Speaker 7: That's what it is.
Speaker 13: It's silencing it. And you know it is very concerning
Speaker 13: for us and should concern the Australian citizens too.
Speaker 3: When iolett As you just heard there, said that there'll
Speaker 3: be consequences, will there be a political response from Israel?
Speaker 13: Look, there isn't a political response that we have initiated
Speaker 13: or discussed. It's not it's not on our table at
Speaker 13: the point. We are concerned. We are very disappointed. I
Speaker 13: know that some people may have implied that there is
Speaker 13: certain measures it will be taken. There isn't one. Because
Speaker 13: actually we see Australia as one of our allies and
Speaker 13: we hope that this current government is not taking steps
Speaker 13: to try and break this alliance and this true friendship
Speaker 13: that goes years and years back.
Speaker 3: There's now a ceasefire in place with Hesbala just announced
Speaker 3: over the next sixty days, Israel is going to withdraw
Speaker 3: from southern Lebanon and terrorists are going to have to
Speaker 3: leave the area south of the Tiny River. I mean, this,
Speaker 3: of course, is just a return to the two thousand
Speaker 3: and six UN Security Agreements seventeen oh one that was
Speaker 3: breached by Hesballar in October eight last year. Do you
Speaker 3: have any confidence they won't breach it again.
Speaker 13: Well, I'm very skeptic, Sharry, and as most Israelis were
Speaker 13: going into this ceasefire with many concerns. I mean, the
Speaker 13: agreement is trying to break the Iranian occupation in Lebanon
Speaker 13: and bring back the Lebanese military into their posts instead
Speaker 13: of a terrorist organization funded and managed by Iran. The
Speaker 13: reality is that the international community throughout years they were
Speaker 13: in charge of ensuring that riz Balan cannot take it
Speaker 13: cannot arm itself, and cannot build posts or post a
Speaker 13: security threat on our citizens, on our people. And the
Speaker 13: fact is the amount of ammunition and tunnels that we
Speaker 13: have found in the border area, some of them next
Speaker 13: to the Unified. The United Nations forces who were meant
Speaker 13: to keep our security were built next to them, shows
Speaker 13: us that they actually plan at ten times worst Seventh
Speaker 13: of October massacre towards our communities. And the failure of
Speaker 13: the international community in enforcing the agreement puts US at
Speaker 13: many concerns about this currency expire and that's why we've
Speaker 13: repeatedly said that it's not about the sections or what's
Speaker 13: written in this agreement. It's mainly about enforcement and whether
Speaker 13: the Lebanese Army will be able to enforce its rule
Speaker 13: against ris baland against Iran. And if there will be
Speaker 13: any violation, we will not hold back anymore. There will be,
Speaker 13: and there needs to be a direct respond to every
Speaker 13: attack or any breach of this ceasefire, any breach of
Speaker 13: the agreement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not just eleven his army, but the United Nations
Speaker 3: should be enforcing this as well. And the UN didn't
Speaker 3: when it was breached on October eight, and never said
Speaker 3: a word the whole year until Israel started responding, and
Speaker 3: then suddenly everyone.
Speaker 2: Was up in arms.
Speaker 3: Ceasfire, seas fire, But where was the ceasefire when Hasbela
Speaker 3: was firing rockets into Israel.
Speaker 13: Anyway, Absolutely, and more so, it is the international community
Speaker 13: who for a year, a whole year, promised us in
Speaker 13: Israel that they will reach a diplomatic agreement so that
Speaker 13: we don't need to go into a war week elevenon.
Speaker 1: We did not.
Speaker 13: Want that war. We tried everything to try and prevent
Speaker 13: the store. But the international community failed us again when
Speaker 13: they promised us a diplomatic solution, and for a whole year,
Speaker 13: our communities were burnt, destroyed, Our children were murdered like
Speaker 13: the twelve Drew children up in the northern border. Yeah,
Speaker 13: and many more people.
Speaker 3: All right, sure, and Haskell really appreciate your time again.
Speaker 3: Congratulations and your promotion to Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel.
Speaker 3: Now still to come. Pennywang under fire over our attitude
Speaker 3: to China. Michael Danby was hold into her office after
Speaker 3: criticizing Beijing and he was given a dressing down. He
Speaker 3: joins me to speak about this a little later. Plus,
Speaker 3: the social media band for Kids looks to pass the
Speaker 3: Senate tonight. I'll speak about it with Gemmatognini and Sam
Speaker 3: Crosby next.
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, it was.
Speaker 3: Chaos in Canberra today, the Albanese government scrambling to ram
Speaker 3: thirty six major bills through the Senate on what's meant
Speaker 3: to be the final parliamentary sitting day of the year. Now,
Speaker 3: there were two guillotine bills, with the Greens supporting the
Speaker 3: second motion in exchange for a string of concessions, and
Speaker 3: Labor can now say they've passed twenty seven bills. But
Speaker 3: there are questions over whether it's right to limit debate
Speaker 3: on so.
Speaker 2: Many pieces of legislation.
Speaker 3: And to answer that, I'm joined now by GT Communications
Speaker 3: founder Gemmatognini and Sky News contributor Sam Crosby.
Speaker 2: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 3: Jemma, what do you think about what we saw in
Speaker 3: Cambridge today.
Speaker 15: It's shameful and the Australian people got short changed. Of course,
Speaker 15: it's not right to guillotine those bills. Of course, it's
Speaker 15: not right to stymy debate on legislation. It is absolutely
Speaker 15: the one to eighty degrees from what the Senate is
Speaker 15: there to do, from what the houses are there to do.
Speaker 2: They are there to.
Speaker 15: Formulate legislation that is fit for purpose. And the Senate,
Speaker 15: in theory, is supposed to be full of fine minds
Speaker 15: and pure souls who review legislation to ensure that it
Speaker 15: is there to benefit you and I who let's remember,
Speaker 15: pay the bills, pay the wages of these people. Unfortunately,
Speaker 15: I find myself agreeing with mister Keating, it's become unrepresentative.
Speaker 15: Swill Well.
Speaker 3: One of the bills that's in the Senate tonight is
Speaker 3: the social media ban on under sixteens Sam. This is
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly popular with parents, but then it's suddenly became controversial
Speaker 3: when there was this suggestion that everyone would have to
Speaker 3: put everyone not just kids, would have to put a
Speaker 3: digital ID to use the internet. What do you think
Speaker 3: about this? Have the politicians put enough work into looking
Speaker 3: at how this piece of legislation will actually work before
Speaker 3: they've rushed it through.
Speaker 16: I guess all we can say is I hope, so,
Speaker 16: I hope so. Look, this is world first legislation. You're
Speaker 16: absolutely right. The parents of Australia are very much on
Speaker 16: board with this. I say, as a parent of a
Speaker 16: twelve year old that we are going to have to
Speaker 16: kick off TikTok and social media. I'm not necessarily looking
Speaker 16: forward to those conversations that we're having, but I think
Speaker 16: we can all agree that it's a good thing to
Speaker 16: do in the long run. I think with any legislation,
Speaker 16: any legislation, but especially legislation of this nature that's never
Speaker 16: been done before, I think we need to be aware
Speaker 16: that we may need to come back and revise and
Speaker 16: change it in time if it's not working exactly the
Speaker 16: way that it had been intended. I understand the digital
Speaker 16: idea is now off the table and that's that's not happening.
Speaker 1: Which is good.
Speaker 16: But you know, if there are other issues that arise
Speaker 16: as we go, I think we have to be open
Speaker 16: and honest about it and say, Okay, we'll come back
Speaker 16: and look at it, but let's try something. I guess
Speaker 16: that's the that's the message coming out of this.
Speaker 3: I haven't heard that the digital idea is off the
Speaker 3: table about either, And I spoke to Matt Canavan on
Speaker 3: my way in tonight and he thought it was still
Speaker 3: on the table.
Speaker 2: Then I haven't.
Speaker 15: Certainly. I checked all the news wise before I came
Speaker 15: on air with you, because that's what we do. I
Speaker 15: haven't seen anything to confirm that.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, that's where are you getting that from? Sam?
Speaker 16: Look, I might I picked it up earlier this morning
Speaker 16: reading something or another.
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: I literally spoke to Matt Catam.
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not an expert in this field.
Speaker 3: He said that he had initially understood that it was
Speaker 3: going to be a popular policy, but his understanding is
Speaker 3: that there still was this digital ID issue.
Speaker 2: What do you think.
Speaker 15: I think it's tremendously fraught a space to go into.
Speaker 15: And I think two things. I think that the federal
Speaker 15: government is lurching towards the break is frightened of its
Speaker 15: terrible performance in the polls, the weakness of the leader,
Speaker 15: the weakness in leadership perceived witness in leadership of mister
Speaker 15: Albaneze and mister Bowen. And look this legislation. I don't
Speaker 15: disagree with Sam that something needs to be addressed in
Speaker 15: terms of social media usage, but you don't come in
Speaker 15: and turn it into digital IDAs by stealth and all
Speaker 15: of these other things. And there are so many legitimate
Speaker 15: reasons that children under sixteen need to be on social media,
Speaker 15: kids who are in remote areas in the bush, messaging
Speaker 15: apps with their parents, things like that. Don't get me wrong,
Speaker 15: I agree in principle, but I do not believe this
Speaker 15: legislation is the answer. It's the same if you want
Speaker 15: to give an analogy the voice. Right, there is a
Speaker 15: systemic problem of disadvantage in this country that needs to
Speaker 15: be addressed. I didn't personally believe that that was the
Speaker 15: way to address it. There is a problem with how
Speaker 15: young people are affected by social media. The harm is
Speaker 15: not disputed, but this legislation is not the answer.
Speaker 3: All right, That debate will continue, although it does look
Speaker 3: like it's going to pass the Senate tonight. Now, in Victoria,
Speaker 3: a convicted murderer has been granted release from a maximum
Speaker 3: security prison to undergo IVF treatment. So this murderer is
Speaker 3: serving a sixteen year sentence after stabbing a mother to
Speaker 3: death and a drug fueled rage. Now, Sam, you know,
Speaker 3: we've all been talking about how can tax pay money
Speaker 3: possibly fund this?
Speaker 2: But I haven't really heard anyone.
Speaker 3: Talking about, well, what about the baby wants the baby's bond?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 3: You know, why would you be supporting bringing a baby
Speaker 3: into the world when the mother is in maximum security
Speaker 3: prison for life for murder?
Speaker 2: What's going to happen to that baby?
Speaker 16: You're absolutely right, That's where my mind went to when
Speaker 16: I read this story. I thought, well, is the baby
Speaker 16: going to stay with the dad is the dad in
Speaker 16: the picture?
Speaker 1: Is it a donor? Look, I'm not sure it should you.
Speaker 16: With due respect to the Victorian Supreme Court who ruled
Speaker 16: on this, I think this is one of those judicial
Speaker 16: flights of fancy that sometimes lawyers get caught in a
Speaker 16: legal argument and don't really know where they end up
Speaker 16: at the end of the hearing and the end of
Speaker 16: the judgment. I think the government should step in and say, no,
Speaker 16: this is not at all in keeping with community expectation.
Speaker 1: We're going to knock this off. We're going to rule
Speaker 1: this out.
Speaker 16: I don't think this is a particularly hard decision for
Speaker 16: a reasonable government to come out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it seems like a complete waste of
Speaker 3: taxpayer funds and how can you allow this?
Speaker 15: I read about this today and I read it in
Speaker 15: passing and couldn't I didn't actually think.
Speaker 2: I thought i'd misread it.
Speaker 15: If that makes sense, like, surely this can't be true.
Speaker 15: And I echo Sam's comments in the sense that you know,
Speaker 15: with respect to the court, you know, somebody has been
Speaker 15: convicted and sentenced for murder. They've taken a life, They've
Speaker 15: taken someone's life in a violent crime, convicted of that,
Speaker 15: and the Victorian system has turned around and gone sure, sure,
Speaker 15: I mean this is I don't know the figures about access.
Speaker 3: You're to be a mother, sure, all committed being a mom,
Speaker 3: Like we put people in jail.
Speaker 15: To reflect the seriousness of that crime, not to then go, oh,
Speaker 15: all right, you can go and have the privilege of motherhood.
Speaker 15: I don't It doesn't make sense to me, and I
Speaker 15: think Victoria is a very I'm just going to.
Speaker 2: Watch my tongue.
Speaker 16: But also, Jimmy, from whatever budget they're going to be
Speaker 16: drawing these these funds, be it the health budget, the
Speaker 16: criminal justice budget, you've got to think to yourself, there's
Speaker 16: got to be a better way to spend those.
Speaker 3: Life all right, we've got to go out of time.
Speaker 3: Sam Crosby, Gema Tokniini.
Speaker 2: Great to see you, Thanks Charry.
Speaker 3: Now after the break, Michael Dwanby will be on his
Speaker 3: first interview after going public with the claim that Pennywong
Speaker 3: gave him a dressing down when he criticized China. That's
Speaker 3: after this quick break. All right, welcome back, and let's
Speaker 3: bring in now former Labor MP Michael Downby. Michael, thank
Speaker 3: you very much for joining me once again. Now you've
Speaker 3: revealed today in The Australian that you were called enter
Speaker 3: Penny Wong's office when you dared to criticize China. Tell
Speaker 3: us what happened in that meeting behind the scenes, and
Speaker 3: what you'd said to deserve this well.
Speaker 17: I spoke in the House on China's record of criminal prosecutions,
Speaker 17: where ninety nine percent of people are convicted. The Labor Party,
Speaker 17: including Senator Wong, had taken a position that we were
Speaker 17: going to sink Julie Bishop's extradition treaty with a vote
Speaker 17: with the Cross benches in the Senate, and we did that.
Speaker 7: But Senator Wong was very unhappy with the.
Speaker 17: Content of my speech and the fact that I criticized
Speaker 17: the Chinese criminal justice system and I was arraigned over there.
Speaker 7: It was almost like something out of Monty Pythe and Sharry.
Speaker 7: You would have laughed if you would have said.
Speaker 17: I wasn't asked to sit down, and the Minister and
Speaker 17: her advisors sat there and criticized what I'd said as.
Speaker 7: Upsetting the Embassy of Beijing.
Speaker 17: Now Shinga Yagami, the Japanese ambassador, did the same thing.
Speaker 17: There's a pattern here. It's much more important than me
Speaker 17: and how I was. They attempted to humiliate me. That's
Speaker 17: I'm sure the Japanese ambassador is a bigger guy than
Speaker 17: that too, but it's China. Handsome boy is the good expression.
Speaker 17: The Chinese ambassador says all Western countries should imitate Australia
Speaker 17: and sucking up to China.
Speaker 7: That's what it's really about. Now.
Speaker 17: Senator Wong really had a bit of a winge in
Speaker 17: the paper today that I was always after to some extent,
Speaker 17: that's true. I don't forgive her for stressing my dear
Speaker 17: late friend Kimberly Kitchen saying at a public meeting that
Speaker 17: Kimberly wasn't entitled to speak on the environment because she
Speaker 17: didn't have children. Senator Warm would have been driven out
Speaker 17: of public life and a public political party in other circumstances.
Speaker 17: That's unforgivable, and it contributed so much to Kimberly stress.
Speaker 17: And I don't forgive Senator Warm until you know the
Speaker 17: end of her political career for that. But the real
Speaker 17: issue is not me, not the humiliation, not what they
Speaker 17: did to the Japanese ambassador. It's the wrong policy for
Speaker 17: Australia on China, and I think the rest of the
Speaker 17: world is waking up to it, in Germany and in
Speaker 17: the United States.
Speaker 7: So I think Australia is getting more and more out
Speaker 7: of step.
Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, and of course you know the behavior that
Speaker 3: you described in relation to Kimberly Kitchen. I first reported
Speaker 3: that in The Australian had earned her the nickname one
Speaker 3: of the mean Girls, alleged mean Girls. Of course, we
Speaker 3: have to say, Michael Danby, thank you very much for
Speaker 3: your time, really appreciate it, and thanks everyone for your
Speaker 3: company this week. I'll see you Monday at eight o'clock.
Speaker 2: And here's Paul