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Speaker 1: Oh hey there, I'm Felicity Harley, host of Healthy Ish,

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Speaker 1: the daily podcast from Body and Soul. Yes, this one

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Speaker 1: you are listening to today. Fitness influencer turned self love

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Speaker 1: advocate Kate Jones joins us in the studio now. She

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Speaker 1: recently fronted a campaign from beauty brand Dove's latest research

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Speaker 1: called the Real State of Beauty a global report and

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Speaker 1: it's got some pretty shocking findings. Kate's going to share

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Speaker 1: some of them with us and discuss the insidious influence

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Speaker 1: of AI on our social feeds. Make sure you're listening

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Speaker 1: to Extra Healthy Ish as well, where she helps you

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Speaker 1: refrain your mindset to feel good about who you are,

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Speaker 1: not what you look like. You can search for Extra

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Speaker 2: Kate, welcome, Hi, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Nice to have you in the Healthy Ish. I was

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Speaker 1: going to say HQ, but healthy Studio.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's a HQ. HQ boys cool. Now.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually really looking forward to this chat because, as

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Speaker 1: well we all know, Dove just did a recent survey

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Speaker 1: for twenty years. I know that's amazing since they've done

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Speaker 1: this whole real beauty kind of thing. What's the campaign

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Speaker 1: now this new study that they did, I know, some

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Speaker 1: pretty troubling beauty standards.

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Speaker 2: What are some that worries you?

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Speaker 3: I think some that stood out for me were the

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Speaker 3: fact that forty four percent of Australian women would give

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Speaker 3: up a year of their life. They would sacrifice a

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Speaker 3: year of their life to have the ideal body to

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Speaker 3: fit the ideal society's idea of that. So a year,

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Speaker 3: like think of all the things you would miss, the memories.

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Speaker 1: That is nearly half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, forty four percent, and that is more

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Speaker 3: than the global average, so wow, it's not great. It's

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Speaker 3: thirty eight percent globally, but forty four percent of Australian women.

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Speaker 3: So I think it shows the pressure that is put

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Speaker 3: on us to look a certain way, and be a

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Speaker 3: certain size, and exist in a certain ways will and

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Speaker 3: it really highlights those societal pressures.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, forty four percent. Do you feel that pressure

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Speaker 2: I have?

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Speaker 3: I think now I've done so much in a work

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Speaker 3: which I'm sure we'll talk more about, but I've been

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Speaker 3: on such a journey myself that now I'm very comfortable

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Speaker 3: in my skin and who I am. But of course

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Speaker 3: there are times when that pressure gets to me and

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Speaker 3: has in the past, but I think I'm at a

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Speaker 3: good place now, but not everyone is, obviously. And then

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Speaker 3: another thing that came up was two in five young

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Speaker 3: girls feel pressure to alter their appearance online, which again

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Speaker 3: I have seen that obviously in your life. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: the pressure on young girls by what they consume because

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Speaker 3: obviously if that's what they're exposed to and what they're seeing,

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Speaker 3: then they feel the pressure to post that themselves and

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Speaker 3: think of you're comparing yourself to a version that doesn't exist,

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Speaker 3: So how that's going to impact them growing up? So

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Speaker 3: those two are definitely ones that stood out for me,

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Speaker 3: but especially the giving up a year of your life,

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Speaker 3: And I think because I've been there. I gave up

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Speaker 3: it wasn't what it was, you know, built up to be.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's important to highlight that as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's concerning especially I have a daughter and that

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Speaker 1: just terrifies me. Anyway, there were actually two other stats

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Speaker 1: And perhaps this more comes because you know, I'm in

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Speaker 1: the health and wellness space I ran women's health magazine

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Speaker 1: for many years, so four in five women want to

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Speaker 1: look healthy. Now, I think this is is this what's

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Speaker 1: your take on that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean how broad is healthy? It is healthy?

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Speaker 2: What is healthy? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I mean suddenly I'm thinking healthy must be that idealized

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Speaker 1: view that so many of us had, which is a skinny, white.

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Speaker 3: Skinny fit ripped could run a marathon? Like, is that

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Speaker 3: what's healthy? Because I think everyone's idea of that is different.

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Speaker 3: So when you categorize it into that one thing, that's

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Speaker 3: basically saying you can't be healthy it any other size,

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So it's obviously harmful if that healthy is what people

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Speaker 2: For me, we don't even know what that looks like.

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Speaker 1: I think that also was a wake up call for

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Speaker 1: me because I just don't want to perpetuate that version

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Speaker 1: me on this podcast too. You know exactly what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: healthy comes in any and many sizes.

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Speaker 2: It's so broad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what does healthy mean to you?

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Speaker 3: I think for me, I'm a very big, like balanced

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Speaker 3: So I'm more about how things make you feel, not

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Speaker 3: how they make you look. So I don't train for esthetics.

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Speaker 3: I don't train to look a certain way. I train

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Speaker 3: social you know. So I think looking past the exterior

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Speaker 3: and then that's reflected, you know, in how you show

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Speaker 3: think healthy is in how you feel and how you

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Speaker 3: show up in your aura in a way rather than

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent agree. The other thing that we probably

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Speaker 1: need to highlight is this whole AI which obviously you

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Speaker 1: know Doves called this out and I also feel this

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Speaker 1: way is one of the greatest threats to real beauty.

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Speaker 1: How do you what's your take on this?

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Speaker 3: It definitely is I think by working with Dove on

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Speaker 3: really highlighted to me how prevalent AI is because I

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Speaker 3: sand AI is not that big of a deal until

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Speaker 3: I was exposed to what it actually is and how

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Speaker 3: often we're consuming it without realizing. So I was shown

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Speaker 3: some e comm images, like shopping images on websites that

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Speaker 3: So when you when you're literally shopping from a brand, yeah,

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Speaker 3: They're just outsourcing to an AI program to put their

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Speaker 3: So even with Instagram, there's been some Instagram accounts that

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Speaker 3: I think it's just so realistic that you really need

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Speaker 2: And then yeah, I guess being educated on.

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Speaker 3: What it actually looks like because it's so like stealth,

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Speaker 1: So what are some of those little things, like how

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Speaker 2: In the social media world?

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Speaker 3: I think skin straightaway, skin is always very smooth. There's

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Speaker 3: so sometimes that can be a giveaway. But honestly, they

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Speaker 3: all have the same face. They're all usually skinny, a

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Speaker 3: certain size, that perpetuated beauty, because that's what AI is

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Speaker 2: Women are told we should look like.

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Speaker 3: So I think just being aware of those little things

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's so hard, isn't it, Because we just

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Speaker 1: mine to've been questioning whether an image is AI. You

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Speaker 1: just want some content that you're going to engage with

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Speaker 1: and enjoy. But we're just being thrown these things and

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Speaker 1: not knowing, but also having to just another thing we

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Speaker 3: Yes exactly, It's like AI is in a way the

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Speaker 3: new photoshop. It's how people are altering themselves. But also

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Speaker 3: people are making just accounts that are literally AI run

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Speaker 3: like it's not a real person at all. The whole

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh boy, it's pretty rild when it comes to

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Speaker 1: body image and AI. How can we or how do

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Speaker 1: body image when you're being thrown these photos that you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think for me, I'm very big on you control

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Speaker 3: what you consume. So I think it's important to obviously

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Speaker 3: be authentic and to be people that you trust and

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Speaker 3: that you relate to and that are quite raw and vulnerable,

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Speaker 3: then that is going to protect your mental health in

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Speaker 3: that way, because you know it's there and you know

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Speaker 3: in terms for me of actually showing up, I'm definitely

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Speaker 3: try to show up as real and honest and vulnerable

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Speaker 3: as you do and showing everyday things that aren't glamorous

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Speaker 3: and aren't perfect, you know, like me fresh out of

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Speaker 3: my dogs. I think showing that side of life is

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Speaker 3: much more relatable for people than seeing this perfect generated

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Speaker 3: aesthetic feed and aesthetic photos that just don't perpetuate real life.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's all about authenticity, but also auditing

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Speaker 3: Consuming, because at the end of the day, we do

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Speaker 3: have a choice of what we're consuming, so that's really

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Speaker 3: important as well to make sure.

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Speaker 2: That you're aware of what you're actually feeding yourself with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have the power, yeah totally.

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Speaker 3: And yes it's scary, but I think if you look

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Speaker 3: at it in a way of you do have control

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Speaker 3: over whether you're using it and whether you're consuming it,

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Speaker 3: then it's a bit less daunting. It's just to be

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Speaker 3: aware so that it's not so impactful for you.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Kate, thank you for coming on Healthy my Pleasure,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me well. I hope this well just

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Speaker 1: planted some ideas that next time you search through your

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