1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Hijie. 2 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Hey, Angela, thanks for letting me swing by. This is 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 2: a beautiful villain it How many days have you been 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: in Vegas? I got here on Monday. 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 3: And what's been involved for you? 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 4: Well, so far, I've just been doing a lot of meetings, 7 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 4: networking business. It's meetings until I start signing, very business heavy. 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Angela White clicks her stilettos down the polished steps of 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: her private luxury villa that's perched high above the annual 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: porn convention inside this chaotic Las Vegas casino. The Aussie 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: adult entertainer ranked as the most searched star on porn 12 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 2: Hub last year, is making relaxed small talk, but there 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: are bigger issues. 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: On her mind. 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: This is all an act and she's pulling it off well, 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: which is no surprise. 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: After all, this X ray actress. 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: Has appeared in over one thousand studio porn scenes, an 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 2: esteemed catalog of work that has seen her become the 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: most awarded female adult entertainer in history, with critics dubbing 21 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: her the Meryl Streep of porn. Today, her confidence, stride 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: and welcoming smile a hiding panic. Just as I arrive, 23 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: her production manager races out the door. 24 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 3: There has been a security breach. 25 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: A stalker has made direct contact with Angela inside her 26 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: palatial porn Princess Pallace. 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 4: A fan called my room today, So he called up 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 4: and asked if this was Angela and I said who 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 4: is this? And he said it was Vincent, as if 30 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 4: I should just know who Vincent was. Anyway, long story short, 31 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 4: Vincent thinks that we've been in a relationship, has been 32 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: talking to somebody calling themselves Angela White on telegram for 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: a number of months. I'm not sure why or how 34 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 4: the hotel allowed him to actually access to my room number. 35 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 4: I had to tell the fan that it's incredibly inappropriate 36 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 4: to call my room and secondly, you know, say I'm 37 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 4: so sorry, but we're not in a relationship and you've 38 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 4: been speaking to a catfish for many months. 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 3: How did he react? 40 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 4: It was actually quite heartbreaking because you could hear on 41 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 4: the other end of the line that he was coming 42 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 4: to the realization that everything that he thought to be 43 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 4: true was a lie. And it wasn't a long conversation, 44 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 4: so I wasn't able. I didn't ask him whether he 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,399 Speaker 4: had actually sent this catfish money. But yeah, it's heartbreaking 46 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 4: when fans get scammed. 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: It's easy to see how something like this could happen 48 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: to Angela. She's got the approachable charm of the best 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: friend's book smart big sister whose parents don't know she 50 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: secretly gets up to mischief on the weekends. Her easygoing 51 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: Australian accent is occasionally tinged with the fried inflections of 52 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: someone who has been living in La for about twelve 53 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: years now. It's something that's happened before. 54 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: Yes, that's happened at least five times. 55 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 2: Scary stuff, especially given Angela spent hours yesterday getting swarmed 56 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: by an endless line of fans as she performed a 57 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: meet and greet on the floor of the pawn convention. 58 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: And after this chat with me, she's about to leave 59 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: her secure villa and go downstairs to do it all again. 60 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: Will Vincent, the catfished fan, be there? Instead of canceling 61 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: her meet and greet today, Angela insists on forging ahead, 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: and she has requested that Vincent come meet her in person. 63 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 4: I have my security with me. He's well aware of 64 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: the situation, and I will be cautious meeting him. I'm 65 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: hoping that by meeting the fan, I can show him 66 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 4: and prove to him that you know, he's seeing the 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 4: real me, and the real me are saying I'm sorry 68 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: that's you know, that person was a catfish, because the 69 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: problem is that he's probably going to text that catfish 70 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 4: now and say, oh, I called you and you said 71 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 4: that you know we aren't in a relationship, and that 72 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: cat fish is probably gonna come up with another lie 73 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: like saying, oh, you know, my team was around me 74 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 4: and I couldn't tell them about our special love and romance, 75 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 4: so I have to I really wanted him to come 76 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 4: and see me in person so that I can look 77 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: him in the eyes and say, I need you to 78 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 4: understand that that's not me. 79 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: It could be the basis of a storyline of a 80 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: really good porno filmed, don't you think. 81 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 4: Don't give him any ideas. 82 00:04:40,600 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 5: Take a concortis. 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 4: I like my work to speak for itself. 84 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: I've come to meet Angela White at her private villa 85 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: to get intel after I unknowingly parachuted into the middle 86 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: of an X rated war. Just last night, Angela appeared 87 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: on a panel at the Adult Entertainment Convention alongside Bonnie Blue, 88 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 2: the old school pawn pro On one side. The naughty 89 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: pawn Upstart. On the other, I'd been told tensions were 90 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: forming between the two camps in the industry. Battle lines 91 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: have been drawn, the rule book tossed out the window, 92 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: and apparently people are not happy. 93 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: I'm not really about showing off about how many views 94 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 4: I've had, or how much money I make or whatever. 95 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 4: I'm just not about the numbers. 96 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: But if Angela was about the numbers, it would be 97 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: an impressive list of facts and figures. Twenty two years 98 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: in the game, more than eight point eight billion views 99 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 2: on tube sites like porn Hub and x videos, about 100 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: four hundred and ninety DVDs and movies. Maybe you recall 101 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: such titles as Anal, Fitness Sluts and Best of butt 102 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: Fuck's Volume four. Angela moved to Hollywood a decade ago 103 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: and signed with Mark Spiegler, the most powerful porn agent 104 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: in the beers, and has since launched her own production 105 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: company and become a contract star for Brass's, one of 106 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: the world's biggest porn studios. She's won one hundred and 107 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: thirty awards, been inducted into the Porn Hall of Fame, 108 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 2: and been crowned Female Performer of the Year three times 109 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: at the Oscars of Porn later this week, she's set 110 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: to sweep again, not that she's even really aware of it. 111 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 3: How many awards are you nominated for? 112 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 4: I should know that I do not know, but you. 113 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 3: Don't because you're not a numbers girl. 114 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: No, I'm not a numbers girl. 115 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 2: This attitude is in stark contrast to amateur X rated 116 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: content creator Bonnie Blue, who seems to be on a 117 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 2: mission to declare that she is the biggest porn star 118 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: on the planet right now. But it's not a competition, right. 119 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: I don't do things for clicks that I'm not going 120 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 4: to say certain things like how much money I make, 121 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 4: or do something controversial or be involved in a scandal 122 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 4: just to get attention. My aim is always just to 123 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 4: do incredible work that is fun for me and that 124 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: the fans love. That's the basis of my whole business model. 125 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: Before this interview, I'm warned by Angela's team that certain 126 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 2: topics are off limits, like her finances and perceived rivals. 127 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: But while she won't be prompted to directly discuss Bonnie, 128 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: she does seem to suggest that she's aware of these 129 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: fledgling new pawn mavericks who are thrusting vigorously in her periphery. 130 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: Here she is recently on Breakfast Radio. 131 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 4: Now a very special guest is here in the building, 132 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 4: while with us now Angela White, the most popular female 133 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 4: before in the porn industry and the most searched porn 134 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: star globally. 135 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: Do you have literally won anything and everything available? 136 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 4: I think I haven't won most outrageous sex scene? 137 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: Cool? Is that one you want to win? 138 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: A look? 139 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 4: That's not really my style. My thing is really about 140 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: connection in porn and so being outrageous. You know, it 141 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 4: can be fun to do different things and acrobatics, but 142 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 4: it's not my main goal when it comes to porn. 143 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: Unlike Bonnie, who seemingly fell into sex work in her 144 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: twenties after becoming bored in the corporate world, Angela grew 145 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: up knowing she wanted to be a porn star, and 146 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: she pursued it hard and fast at the first chance 147 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: she could. As soon as she turned eighteen. 148 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 4: I was actually in my last year of high school 149 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 4: and a company in Miami flew me from Australia to Miami, 150 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: Florida to shoot my first scenes. 151 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 3: How did they find out about you? 152 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: I contacted them? 153 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: And which company was it so. 154 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 4: Score magazine was just all about big boobs and so 155 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 4: growing up having large natural breasts, I was super excited 156 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 4: to get into porn and looking for a company that 157 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 4: would be interested in my body type. Which now my 158 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 4: body type is fairly accepted by all companies want to 159 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: shoot my body type. But back then in two thousand 160 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 4: and three, curvy girls weren't. They weren't in. It was 161 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 4: that typical you know, nineties, early two thousands, like blonde, slim, 162 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: fake boob look. And I didn't fit that mold. So 163 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 4: I saw women that looked like me shooting for Score, 164 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 4: and so I contacted them. It was like on a 165 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 4: CD rom and I put a CD rom, I put 166 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 4: my amateur photos and wrote them a handwritten letter and 167 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 4: sent it off snail mail. 168 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: Wow. 169 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: And was it the kind of magazine that you'd buy 170 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: on the bottom shelf at the servo. 171 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: Yep, right, that's the one. 172 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 2: That's the one, and what was involved in that verset shoot? 173 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 4: So my first shoots were all solo, which was great 174 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: way to ease me in. Yeah, it was such an 175 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 4: exciting experience because this was the first I'm still in 176 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 4: high school. It's the first time i've flown overseas by myself. 177 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 2: Before did anyone else at school know? 178 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: They knew when I came back. 179 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: Okay, what was the reaction. 180 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 4: It was they kind of expected it. Almost I was 181 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 4: a sexual teen, and I was heavily criticized for expressing 182 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 4: my sexuality openly the way I did because I was 183 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 4: into boys, I was into girls. I was kissing girls 184 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 4: on the playground. I was labeled a slut. 185 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: It was. 186 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 4: It was actually a really hard time because I felt 187 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 4: like I was being myself, Like my sexuality is a 188 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 4: core part of who I am, so the people around 189 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: me were rejecting who I was to my core. And 190 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 4: so that was one of the reasons I wanted to 191 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 4: get into porn in the first place, because porn was 192 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 4: the first place I saw women expressing their sexuality and 193 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 4: being celebrated for it. I remember seeing a Penthouse forum 194 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 4: where this women in the centerfold was just staring down 195 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: the camera lens with this huge smile on her face, naked, 196 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: and I was like, that, that's what I want. I 197 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 4: want to be able to feel free in my sexuality 198 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 4: and be celebrated for that. 199 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 3: And what did your parents think, Well. 200 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 4: They were worried. I think there's some of the myths 201 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: surrounding porn have been dispersed, Like people are now understanding 202 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 4: what the industry is actually, like it's very corporate and 203 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 4: not the CD underground that people previously thought it was. 204 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 4: But at that time, in two thousand and three, you know, 205 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 4: I was, you know, eighteen year old going over to 206 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 4: the other side of the world. So my parents were 207 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 4: worried about what could happen to me. But I was convinced. 208 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 4: I had done my research. I knew that this was 209 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 4: a reputable company. I was like gung ho, like, I'm 210 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: going to do this, and luckily my research paid off 211 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 4: and they were great. It was a wonderful experience. 212 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: Do you remember how much you got paid for that 213 00:11:58,960 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: very first shoot? 214 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 6: Do? 215 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 2: And just like that, I've broken Angela's rule of not 216 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: asking about finances. 217 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 3: Don't feel comfortable sharing that. I like that you commit 218 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: to it. 219 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: I like that, you see, I thought, because it was 220 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: so long ago, she might feel comfortable now at forty 221 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 2: years old, Angela knows who she is and how she 222 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: wants to be seen. None of this is by accident. 223 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 2: Every choice seems to have been made with clear intention 224 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: and precision. Her glossy jet black hair doesn't even have 225 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 2: a single flyaway thanks to her makeup artist who's on 226 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: standby across the day. This is a rather luxurious detail 227 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: about her lifestyle that she accidentally lets slip that won't 228 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: be pressed further on. She's wearing black slacks and a 229 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: black long sleep top that subtly shows off a teasing 230 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: silhouette of her size thirty two double G breasts. It's 231 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: somewhat of a uniform for the performer. She wore something 232 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: similar at last night's panel discussion, where she appeared alongside Bonnie. 233 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: Angela challenges the stereotype of a porn star. She doesn't 234 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 2: even want to show a hint of her Hollywood success. 235 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: As we sit in the downstairs lounge room of this 236 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: expensive but not ostentatious villa, I spot a stack of 237 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: cardboard shopping bags from Balenciaga stowed under a chair, as 238 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: if they've been hidden at the last minute. Angela bristles 239 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: when asked about her spending spree and changes the subject. 240 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: One industry insider describes it to me this way, Angela 241 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: out conservatives the conservatives hell. In twenty ten, she even 242 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: ran as a political candidate in the seat of Richmond 243 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 2: for a Victorian state election in Australia. As Angela talks 244 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: about her drive to become a porn star, I wonder 245 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 2: how her entry into the industry would have looked if 246 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: Internet pawn and create a platforms like OnlyFans existed in 247 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: two thousand and three. She says, even if she was 248 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: entering the industry today, she'd still choose to follow the 249 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 2: professional studio route rather than amateur sides. 250 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 4: Going through the studio system helps you learn things that 251 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 4: you just cannot learn unless you're on a porn set, 252 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 4: like even just like the hygiene that you learn on set, 253 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 4: like you just unless you're exposed to people that have 254 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 4: been in the industry for years, like that kind of knowledge, 255 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 4: that informal knowledge system is passed down from performer to 256 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: performer and director to performer. Like when it comes to 257 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 4: like I created my own, you know, sex tapes. I 258 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 4: guess when I was just starting and I had no 259 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 4: idea how to position my legs and my arms or 260 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 4: how to you know, twist my body so that the 261 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 4: camera can see both, you know, my pussy and my 262 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 4: face and my boobswinging at the same time. You just 263 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 4: you get taught these things on set by directors that 264 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 4: have been in the game for decades, And I mean, 265 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 4: I think you can learn a little bit of it 266 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 4: just from watching porn, but nothing. You just don't get 267 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 4: the same kind of knowledge. 268 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: I can't help but think back to something Bonnie told 269 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: me last night at the panel while we were waiting 270 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 2: for Angela to arrive. We were discussing Bonnie's recent world 271 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 2: record gang bang, and she admitted to being clueless when 272 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: she first started having sex on camera. 273 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 6: Before I would have been like embarrassed, So I didn't 274 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 6: know everything about sex. But I sometimes you just don't know, 275 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 6: and that's okay. 276 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: What don't you know about? 277 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 6: It's just loads, Even like sex positions. Sometimes you start 278 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 6: listening them off and I think I've got no idea 279 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 6: which ones they are, Like they mentioned different things or 280 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 6: different terminology, and I think, I don't know what that is. 281 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: Even just last week. 282 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 6: When I did the world record, there was positions these 283 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 6: eighteen year olds you mentioned to me, and I was like, 284 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 6: I don't know what which one do you mean? Just 285 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 6: tell me? Do I need to go on my back, 286 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 6: my side, my front light? Tell me. 287 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: Well, Bonnie seems to be stumbling through the world of 288 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: adult entertainment and making it up as she goes along. 289 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: Angela has diligently studied the fine art of fornicating and 290 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: got a college degree in porn. Literally, she majored in 291 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 2: gender studies and graduated with first class honors writing her 292 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 2: dissertation in pornography. She's an adult entertainment officionado, a porn purist, 293 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 2: a true aute and this is all on display in 294 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: her most recent film, titled Fuck Angela. It's a retro 295 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: homage to her favorite genre of erotica, early two thousands gonzo. 296 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: This work has wowed critics and been labeled an authentic 297 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: love letter to the era of Y two K Smart. 298 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: It's expected to be celebrated at the Adult Video News 299 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: Awards later this week. 300 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 4: Seeing the way technology has been moving forward and how 301 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: personally I don't feel like it's been making porn better, 302 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 4: Like even the aspect ratio. The aspect ratio has changed 303 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 4: in porn, Like back in the late nineties, only two 304 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 4: thousands it was four x three, and that really pushed 305 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 4: the action into the viewer's face, like everything's really tight, 306 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 4: Whereas you know, when you go into like a more 307 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 4: cinematic mode, all you're seeing is more of the room. 308 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,239 Speaker 4: So I love having that old school aspect ratio that 309 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 4: really brings the viewer into the action. It makes them 310 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 4: feel like it's happening right there in front of their eyes. 311 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 4: And then so fuck Angeler. I shot on the VX 312 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: two thousand. 313 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: And for people who don't know, explain what the VX 314 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: two thousand is. 315 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: It is a cult camera. Well, the VX one thousand 316 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 4: is a cult camera for pawn and skateboarding. The VX 317 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 4: two thousand a little bit more so for pawn, just 318 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 4: because it had better low light capability. So I shot 319 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 4: it on the VX two thousand, which is a twenty 320 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 4: four year old camera which so much of that early 321 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 4: gonzo porn was shot on. And the reason it's it's 322 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 4: so important for the porn industry was it's the first 323 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 4: lightweight camera that you could really run an gun with, 324 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 4: so shoot gorilla style doesn't have to be on tripods, 325 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: you don't have to have a giant shoulder rig. You 326 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 4: can just hold it in your hand and go wherever 327 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 4: you want in the location and follow the performers as 328 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 4: they fuck. 329 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: For listeners who don't know what is gonzo porn. 330 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 4: Traditionally, gonzo was pawn that broke the fourth wall, so 331 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 4: it came from gonzo journalism. So the director would be 332 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 4: somehow involved in the scene, not necessarily sexually. They might 333 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 4: just be involved by talking to the girl beforehand, like 334 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 4: panning up and down, telling her that she's sexy, and 335 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 4: then bringing in male talent or female talent to have 336 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 4: sex with. The director becomes the avatar for the audience 337 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 4: in those scenes. With the early two thousands gonzo porn, 338 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 4: they wouldn't even set up lighting. They would just get 339 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 4: to a location and tell the performers, fuck, how you 340 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 4: want to fuck, and they would just go about the 341 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 4: room and like fuck on the couch, then go up 342 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 4: the stairs and fuck in the bedroom and fucking the 343 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 4: but like it was just it created this chaos were 344 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 4: so interesting to watch. 345 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 2: In many ways, this gonzo genre influenced the style of 346 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 2: porn we see now with adult creators like Bonnie Blue 347 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 2: on OnlyFans. 348 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 4: The DIY stuff or a lot of it is similar 349 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 4: to that kind of run and gun gorilla style shot 350 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 4: gonzo porn because a lot of people are not setting 351 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 4: up lights, they're not even necessarily getting a location. They're 352 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 4: just pulling their phone out and shooting amateur content with 353 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 4: their partners or with other performers that they're collabing with. 354 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: The biggest difference, though, is many of the DIY creators 355 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: don't seem to be aware of the genre they're replicating, 356 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 2: and they probably don't even care. Unlike Angela, who toiled 357 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 2: over all the period details for her latest nostalgia inspired movie, 358 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 2: including getting the right kind of acrylic nails, lingerie and 359 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 2: cybersilver eyeshadow. 360 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 4: Even I went down to like getting there was a 361 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 4: very specific choker during that era, was like a black 362 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 4: velvet choker with rhinestones that everyone used to wear in 363 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 4: the early two thousand and it took me a long time. 364 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: Where did you find it? 365 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:17,719 Speaker 2: eBay? She even filmed in houses around San Fernando Valley, 366 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: ducked behind the Hollywood Hills and Santa Monica Mountains. Porn Valley, 367 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: as it's playfully known in the industry, was the epicenter 368 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: of porn during the smut Golden Age from the seventies 369 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: to early two thousands, offering cheap warehouse space, suburban anonymity, 370 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: and crucially distance from the prying eyes of Central Los Angeles. 371 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 4: Those houses, if you've watched porn in the last two decades. 372 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 4: You'll recognize those walls, those couches, that interior design from 373 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 4: all of those classic two thousands porn movies. 374 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 2: Do you know whether the couches had been cleaned? 375 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 4: Look, every time I shoot at a location, I make 376 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: sure we lisole, wipe and disinfect every couch because you 377 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 4: just never know how diligent someone's can compete. 378 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 3: Right, A decade's old one couch. 379 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 4: So I will admit though some of the couches had 380 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 4: been upgraded, because I'm sure you know they don't last 381 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: getting fucked on that hard for that many years. 382 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: But I can imagine. 383 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, but some some of those There's there's some purple 384 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 4: couches that I shoot on in Fuck Angela, and they 385 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 4: have been there since the eighties. They have not changed. 386 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 3: Okay, some slight wear and tear. 387 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they don't look brand new. I can tell 388 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: you some interesting stains. 389 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: On this latest film may just be Angela's magnum opus. 390 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: And it's not the only old school cred on her CV. Yes, 391 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: like most professional porn stars, she has had to pivot 392 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: into creative focused platforms like OnlyFans, but she also still 393 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: sells a lot of DBDs. 394 00:21:56,160 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 4: The market is still big enough to warrant releasing. A 395 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 4: lot of fans are collectors. You'll see on the floor today, 396 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 4: fans will come with fifty DVDs for me to sign 397 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 4: that they've collected. I mean, there are people that still 398 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 4: don't have great internet connections, So a classic DVD is 399 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 4: just easier than having to deal with, you know, internet 400 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 4: when potentially you're on the road or you just don't 401 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 4: have the best connection. 402 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: And nothing's more frustrating than a stream that continually buffers. 403 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 4: Right right, but when you're trying to buffer yourself, you know, it's. 404 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: Like while filming Fuck Angela, she also recruited iconic porn 405 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: directors of the era, including Jules Jordan, John Stagliano, and 406 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: Johnny Darco, who guided Angela through a scene involving well, 407 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: I'll just let her explain it. 408 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 4: So I did a blowbanguh. 409 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: And what's a blowbank for people who might not know? 410 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: Okay, so a blowbank. So everyone knows what a gang 411 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 4: bang is. It's one girl with a bunch of different 412 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 4: guys having sex with her. So a blowbank is just 413 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 4: like that, but for blow jobs. So it'll be one 414 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 4: girl and many different guys getting filatio basically, so it 415 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 4: was just me and seven guys and a blowbang. Is 416 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 4: a very visual scene because obviously you've got a lot 417 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 4: of tall men surrounding a girl on her knees. It's 418 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 4: very hot and very filthy. 419 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: And what kind of as a director, what kind of 420 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 2: instructions did he give you to execute that scene? 421 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 4: So his main thing, The main thing for me is that, 422 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 4: like when a guy is coming, I love to look 423 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 4: up at him. I love to watch his face when 424 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: he comes. And Johnny is all he's very precise about 425 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 4: his shots and he wants his shots, every shot to 426 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 4: be perfect. So when the guys are coming, he wants 427 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 4: the girl looking directly into the camera lens and not 428 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 4: lifting her chin to look at the guys. So that's 429 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 4: the hardest thing for me because I love looking at them. 430 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 4: So he was like, you have to look into the 431 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: lens and let them just come on your face and 432 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 4: not look at them coming. There's nothing technical to that, but. 433 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 3: There is, And that's why you're approached Angela. That's why you're. 434 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 4: Hello, shit, okay, no, no, that's okay. 435 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, where are you guys off to now? Oh my god? 436 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 4: I signed for browsers to run up and put. 437 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 2: My Unlike Bonnie, Angela can't keep her devotees waiting. After all, 438 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: her catfished fan Vincent may already be there downstairs in 439 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 2: the ballroom of the casino. Fans are already lining up 440 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 2: to see Angela. Among them are Tom and John, two 441 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: buddies in their thirties who traveled from Orange County, California, 442 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: just to see her. 443 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 7: She's alw incredible body, natural beauty, There's a lot there. 444 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 2: She was the most searched porn star on pornhub last year. 445 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: Did you add to those searches. 446 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 7: I'm sure we did our part. 447 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:13,719 Speaker 2: I'm sure we contributed. 448 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: What do you like about Angela's porn Is her artistry? 449 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 6: John? 450 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 7: Is it her just her sense of poise, her demeanor, 451 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 7: her casual elegance. Between that and the she's got a 452 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 7: lovely set of kind. 453 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 3: Of blue eyes. 454 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,439 Speaker 2: Talking to punters and industry executives, one thing becomes clear. 455 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 2: Angela White may just be the last true porn star 456 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: the world will ever see. 457 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 7: Raina. One of the greatest porn stars is Angela Wait, 458 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 7: without question, her work ethic, her tenacity, her ability, her love, 459 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 7: her passion, She embodies everything you would want in an 460 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 7: adult film star. I have yet to see anyone match 461 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 7: what she does. 462 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: That's Brian Gross, a porn power publicist who's wrangling the 463 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: major adult entertainers this week in the lead up to 464 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: the awards. Over the past thirty years, he has made 465 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: a career out of turning centerfolds into celebrities. 466 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 7: When you're in the room with angela Way, she exudes 467 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 7: such an energy. She's so positive, she has the biggest 468 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 7: smile you've ever seen, and she puts her heart and 469 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 7: soul into her work, and I just appreciate everything she does. 470 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 7: She is no nonsense, but she puts on a scene 471 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 7: that is absolutely incredible. 472 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: While working for Vivid Entertainment, one of the largest porn 473 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 2: studios at the time, Brian experienced perhaps his biggest claim 474 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 2: to fame, shepherding the crossover success of porn star Jeanine 475 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 2: Lynn Moulder, who went from the pages of a smut 476 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 2: magazine to the cover of Blink one eight two's smash 477 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: hit nineteen ninety nine album Enema of the State, which 478 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 2: sold over fifteen million copies around the world. 479 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 7: Janine was a penthouse pat who then became a Vivid 480 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 7: girl and was arguably one of the biggest names in 481 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 7: the adult industry because she had this look, tall, blonde, 482 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 7: very stunning, and she had no one had ever seen 483 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 7: anyone like her in movies before, outside of maybe Jenna Jamison. 484 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 7: So the opportunity comes. Now an entire world is seeing 485 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 7: her on the cover of an album which went platinum 486 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 7: multi times over. So you think about all the eyeballs 487 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 7: in the reach, and sure she wound up in two 488 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 7: of the videos, and you know, people just discovering her 489 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 7: because it was such a popular album for the band. 490 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 7: It had number one singles at alternative radio and crossover 491 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 7: into pop, and obviously the band went on a world 492 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 7: tour and they grew in such a way that they 493 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 7: had never experienced. And for the band, it just put 494 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 7: you know, having an adult film star on an album 495 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 7: and having a grow the way it did was something 496 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 7: that had never been seen before. So a lot of 497 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 7: it was stuff that had never happened. She went on 498 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 7: The Howard Stern Show, we went to New York, we 499 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 7: went to the MTV Music Awards in ninety nine, and 500 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 7: we just got opportunity after opportunity to promote her, promote 501 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 7: the album, promote the band promote vivid and sort of 502 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 7: turn the world on its head. 503 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: Will we ever see celebrity porn stars like we did 504 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: in the nineties and the two thousands. 505 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 7: No, it's too different now in what way, the impact 506 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 7: effect and whatnot. We're so desensitized. Shock factor in this 507 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 7: day and age is definitely different. So, I mean, I 508 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 7: don't know what celebrity we would see. 509 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: In the two thousands, there was a peak of porn 510 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 2: stars crossing over into mainstream culture. Jenna Jamison appeared in 511 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: a two thousand and two music video for Eminem and 512 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: voice to character based on herself in the animated TV 513 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: series Family Guy. She even inspired a secret character in 514 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: the Tony Hawk pro skate a video game. And then 515 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: there's Sasha Gray, who went from porn star to movie 516 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: star for acclaimed director Steven Soderberg's two thousand and nine 517 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: drama called The Girlfriend Experience. There was also a multi 518 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: episode arc on the HBO series Entourage. Brian says Angela 519 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: White might just be the last glimpse of a porn 520 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 2: star with mainstream appeal. How does someone like Angela White 521 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: compare to Bonnie Blue? 522 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 3: Can you compare them? 523 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 7: I can't, but because I Remember she's not overnight. She's 524 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 7: doing it a long time. She built this name for 525 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 7: a long time and she has done an incredible job 526 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 7: doing so. So if you want overnight success, I wish 527 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 7: you luck. But if you're long haul and you know 528 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 7: this and this is a long game, you're going to 529 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 7: have a better chance at success versus I'm going to 530 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 7: be famous overnight. Overnight success in almost anything isn't real. 531 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 7: We've had the one hit wonders in our lives. We've 532 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 7: had people come and go saying I'm going to be 533 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 7: famous tomorrow. You know, so different than an athlete. You know, 534 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 7: an athlete as a child comes up through the ranks, 535 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 7: you know, whatever sport they choose in their teens, goes 536 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 7: to college or goes to independent leagues and improves and 537 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 7: improves and improves the ten thousand hours. So this is 538 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 7: no different. Like you might be the most beautiful person 539 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 7: in the world, but at the end of the day, 540 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 7: what are you going to do about it? You know, 541 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 7: what are you gonna do with it? And at the 542 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 7: same time do what you have to do to garner 543 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 7: more attention? 544 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 2: And in what whyse are we seeing that play out 545 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: in this sort of modern day of DIY creatis wow. 546 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 7: I mean we're seeing extreme things like girls supposedly having 547 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 7: sex with thousands of people and getting publicity for it. 548 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 7: And we're seeing things like people saying or doing extreme 549 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 7: things to garner attention. So you know, if it can 550 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 7: still shock people that maybe it'll have interest. 551 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 2: What do you think of those shock tactics and are 552 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: they just a pr strategy? 553 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 7: You gotta be careful, you know, because it can. 554 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 3: Backfire in what way? 555 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 7: Well, if you get caught, if you're lying, height if 556 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 7: you're not telling the truth, you know, media might support 557 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 7: you and then they'll turn on you. So I mean, 558 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 7: you you better be your story, better be real, because 559 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 7: all it takes is one person to find out it's 560 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 7: not and one media outlet to question all the other 561 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 7: media that's supported it, and the dominos will fall. 562 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 2: Shift, flowing off the line. 563 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 3: Today, what's happened? What's happened? Something really. 564 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 8: Happened? 565 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 3: Last night? 566 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: I'm walking through the nicotine centered hallways with a longtime 567 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 2: pawn veteran who wants to remain anonymous. He's sharing the 568 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: latest gossip. Apparently there's been another alleged stunt. Bonnie has 569 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: called out her former collaborator Lily Phillips. The ladies were 570 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: friends and have even filmed together, but they've now come 571 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 2: to public blows over Bonnie's thousand man gangbang. After Lily 572 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 2: announced she was going to do it, Bonnie beat her 573 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: to the punch and now says Lily stole the idea 574 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 2: from her. Lily has since responded by upping the ante 575 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: again by announcing plans to conquer a backdoor challenge with 576 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: as many guys as possible it's a headspin. The two 577 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 2: ladies will come face to face later this week at 578 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: the Oscars of Pawn, where they're both up against each 579 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 2: other in the fan voted category of favorite Independent Female Creator. 580 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 2: Here's Bonnie telling Andrew Tate all about the rivalry on 581 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 2: a podcast. 582 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 9: Iak, Hey, I re want to step with a thousand people. 583 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 9: I want to break aboard record. A week she promotes 584 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 9: on a social media hey, I want to sleep with 585 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 9: a thousand people. I was like, that was my mistake. 586 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 9: I was naive and thought people could support one another. 587 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 9: I thought you could share this is what I like 588 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 9: to do in my career. Turns out it's not always 589 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 9: the case. 590 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,160 Speaker 3: Would you say she was disloyal? 591 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 592 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 9: I mean she never needed to be loyal to me. 593 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 9: It's the cleverest thing she's done. 594 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 3: Between her and Lily. 595 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: You Reckon's manufacturer, hip Hop goes through that beef all 596 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 1: the time. Don't they start a briefing, some really brief 597 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,520 Speaker 1: I have my doubt, seen, my suspicions, and my experience. 598 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: We know this for twenty years. I know the ship. 599 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 3: It's six point thirty here in Las Vegas. 600 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: Bonnie Blue has seemingly gone to ground again after making 601 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 2: a brief appearance last night. She's been locked up in 602 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: her expensive airbnb, where her team held an emergency meeting today. 603 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: They won't say what it's about or what's wrong. 604 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 2: I don't seem to think that it has anything to 605 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: do with the illness that she's been experiencing in the 606 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: past few days. It sounds like it's a new issue 607 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: that's come up. Bonnie's team have blocked all access to her. 608 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 2: It comes just a few hours after some news headlines 609 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: hit about Bonnie criticizing fellow Only Fans creator Lily Phillips, 610 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: saying that Lily stole her idea to sleep with a 611 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:33,280 Speaker 2: thousand men in a single day. People in the industry 612 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: seem to think that it's all fabricated just to get 613 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: more headlines. Meanwhile, Angela White is standing at a booth 614 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 2: meeting and greeting hundreds of fans who are lined up 615 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 2: around the auditorium just to get the chance to chat 616 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: to her. She's signing photos of herself and memorabilia that 617 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 2: you guys. 618 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 3: And some girls have brought to get her signature on. 619 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 2: So Angela's security guard is standing by and he's on 620 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 2: the lookout for the stalker who presented a bit of 621 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 2: a situation for a team earlier today when he called 622 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 2: her hotel room. They don't know exactly what he looks like, 623 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 2: but they know that he said the phrase golly gosh 624 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 2: a number of times, and Angela is theorizing that he's 625 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 2: in his fifties. 626 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 3: Right now, she's. 627 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: Smiling and hugging a middle aged man on a red 628 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 2: motorized scooter and he looks like he's having the best 629 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 2: day of his life. He's brought a magazine with her 630 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,360 Speaker 2: pictures in it, and she's signed it and he's tucked 631 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: it away safely in a tote bag. Now he's whispered 632 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 2: a request into her ear, and she's jumped up into 633 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 2: his lap. Straddled him and spread her legs, and then 634 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 2: he drives away and he almost runs over other punters 635 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: with Angela in his lap. 636 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 3: Her security team follow. 637 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 2: People leap out of the way as the man on 638 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 2: the scooter does lapse. 639 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 3: Of the room. 640 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: Some fans can't believe what they're witnessing. 641 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 3: I just saw Angela White roll by on a motorized scooter. 642 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 2: When the guy finally drops Angela back off, he's got 643 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: a grin on his face and he reaches into his 644 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 2: pocket to pull out a sweat rag to wipe off 645 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 2: his glistening scalp. After taking a moment to catch his breath, 646 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 2: he tells me his name is Greg. It's not the 647 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 2: first time this fifty nine year old from Idaho has 648 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 2: given Angela the ride of her life. 649 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 10: I've been coming to this since two thousand and two, 650 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 10: so a lot of the stars of my friends I 651 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 10: am actually deceived. I'm denoted by spinal quard. She's always 652 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 10: showed me love. In other words, when I'm in the chair, 653 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 10: I've driven her around. She always tell me she wants 654 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 10: to go for a ride, so I always given all right. 655 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 10: I love our personality, the fact that she's personable She's beautiful, 656 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 10: and she makes you feel like you're the only person 657 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,959 Speaker 10: in no matter what side. 658 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 2: There's still no sign of Vincent, the catfish fan who 659 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 2: called Angela's hotel room earlier today. Her team is positioned 660 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 2: in the crowd, ready to intervene. Right now, her team 661 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 2: and her security guards walking up and down the line, 662 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 2: analyzing everyone. They're looking to see whether they make eye contact, 663 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: what their behavior is like, if they're trying to hide anything. 664 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 2: The only thing that really stands out visually is their 665 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 2: middle aged guys. 666 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 3: With greasy hair who wear a lot of sports jerseys 667 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 3: across the room. 668 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 2: As Kieren Lee, one of the highest paid male porn stars, 669 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 2: his most notable achievement getting his penis insured for one 670 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 2: million dollars. 671 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 3: Well, it was. 672 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: Inshured many years ago. I'd probably say with the wearin 673 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: tarr is probably worth about ten dollars. 674 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 3: Now, what kind of wear and tair has it experienced? 675 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: It has seen a lot of vaginas, a lot of 676 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: boom hooles, and a lot of mouths. 677 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 2: He shoots regularly for Brass's, the same studio Angela's contracted too, 678 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 2: and the pair have filmed scenes together. Karen has also 679 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 2: starred with Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips. What did you 680 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 2: think of that first time that you performed with Bonnie. 681 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,319 Speaker 1: She's brilliant, really nice girl. I had no clue what 682 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: was to come next. Listen, she's found a niche and 683 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,080 Speaker 1: she's exploring it and good honor. You know, a lot 684 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: of people are criticized the but you know, it's no 685 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: different to what a lot of other you know, porn 686 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: genres have been where you know, I may play the 687 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: older gentleman with a younger girl. She's just switching the roles. 688 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 3: Describe that criticism that we're seeing now. 689 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: Oh, there's a lot of backlash, a lot of she's 690 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: going to be filled with STDs. She's exploiting, you know, 691 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: young gentlemen and the age thing. Yeah, it's a tricky 692 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,919 Speaker 1: one because when I was eighteen, I was starting porn 693 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 1: and I was full of hormones. 694 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 3: Do I regret it? 695 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: No, I don't, because I went on to have a 696 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: fantastic career. Some of these gentlemen might regret it, but listen, 697 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,919 Speaker 1: they have the option to wear a mask and things 698 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: like that, so their identity will never be shown. 699 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 2: Have you ever seen people come into the industry and 700 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 2: then regret it. 701 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, many times, what does that look like? 702 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: A lot of you know, girls might come in and 703 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: they shoot every form of scene. 704 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 3: That's possible, boy girl, boy girl ain. 705 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,239 Speaker 1: Or dp's gangbangs and all them things, and then they 706 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,439 Speaker 1: have a regret when they maybe meet a partner down 707 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: the line and they want to step out the industry 708 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: and they're getting backlash from their partner who might not 709 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: forgive them, shall I say, for doing them kind of 710 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 1: scenes and give them a lot of shit. And then 711 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the times them relationships don't mask. 712 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 2: Comparing someone like Angela White to Bonnie Blue, are you 713 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 2: able to compare them? 714 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: Nah, there's no comparison Angela White. She's the queen of 715 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: the industry. Angela's worked tirelessly, let her performances through the talking, 716 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: really strategically mapped out her career, and she's done it 717 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: in the best way possible. You'll never find a single 718 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: person inside the industry or outside the industry that has 719 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: a bad word to say about Angela White. I don't 720 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 1: think you'll ever find any negative publicity online about Angela 721 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,480 Speaker 1: at all. There is literally no comparison between Angela White 722 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: and Bonnie Blue. 723 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,280 Speaker 2: I ask Kieran what the perception is of Bonnie Blue 724 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 2: inside the industry at the moment. He says, there's speculation 725 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 2: over the stunts and irritation over the bad press they're attracting. 726 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: They just look at as another OnlyFans creator. Until she's 727 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: shooting mainstream porn regularly, people won't really accept her as 728 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: a mainstream porn star. 729 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 3: It's just a content creator. 730 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 1: The beef that I've seen is obviously between her and 731 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: Lily Phillips, and they're both vying for the tidele Love 732 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,080 Speaker 1: shall we say, biggest mattress actress, and Lily's another one. 733 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,919 Speaker 1: She's from Derby, my hometown as well, so it must 734 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: be something in the water in Derby. A lot of 735 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,240 Speaker 1: people don't believe that she's done a thousand guys until 736 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: maybe we see the content. I still don't think a 737 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 1: lot of people will believe it. So yeah, a lot 738 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: of people don't really believe that it was a thousand guys. 739 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: But if she did it fair play, that's her achievement. 740 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: I really don't like some of the publicity stunts that 741 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: some of the girls have grown out there because we've 742 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: worked so hard for many years in the industry to 743 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: try and make it a safe environment to show people 744 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: we're careful, we respect boundaries, we do right by the 745 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: testing procedures. And some of the girls that are coming 746 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: in content creators, shall we say, haven't been given the 747 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: advice from senior porn stars where hey, you need to 748 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,080 Speaker 1: do it like this that and create that safe environment, 749 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: and some of the publicitystems just gives a really bad 750 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 1: look to the industry in the whole. 751 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 2: Do you think it kind of sets the industry back 752 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 2: sometimes and reinvigorates a lot of the stigma. 753 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. 754 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,280 Speaker 1: Over the years, we've taken two steps forward and things 755 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,240 Speaker 1: like this. Sometimes when the publicity isn't for the right reasons, 756 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: it's like taking three steps back. 757 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,799 Speaker 2: There are many different ways to enter the industry, from 758 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 2: overnight successes like Bonnie to workhorses like Angela who grind 759 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 2: their way to the top. But once you've made it, 760 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 2: we're too next. In an industry that values youth and beauty, 761 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 2: what do you do when time passes and your star 762 00:42:54,520 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 2: begins to weigh? Apparently there's only one stop, milk or Mum, 763 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 2: I'd like to you can fill in the rest. Industry 764 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 2: execs tell me that masquerading as a mum in pornos 765 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 2: is the reality for many childless female performers once they 766 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 2: enter their thirties, but not everyone is willing to be 767 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 2: banished to motherhood. I think back to an odd moment 768 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,240 Speaker 2: during my interview earlier today with Angela White. 769 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 3: Also, you do you've done milk porn before? Right? 770 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 6: No? 771 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 2: Never, Never have you been approached about doing the. 772 00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 4: No, I don't. I don't do milk porn. 773 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 3: Why why don't? 774 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 4: That's a hard No, that's that's also a hard norm 775 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,879 Speaker 4: if we can cut that out of the Okay, Sorry 776 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 4: I should have mentioned that. No, Sorry, yeah, yeah, it's 777 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 4: just not my branding. 778 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, next time on sex lies and streaming. Welcome 779 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 2: to Mum's Gone Wild, where the money is flowing at 780 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 2: the schoolgate. I sit down with real minds who have 781 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 2: discovered the milk gold mine, turning them maternal status into 782 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 2: serious cash. 783 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,600 Speaker 3: No baby, no problem. 784 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 2: Some of the biggest earners in the game have never 785 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 2: changed a nappy in their lives. Jump in the minivan 786 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,440 Speaker 2: and strap on your seatbelts. 787 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 8: One director, they know that I've shot a lot with 788 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 8: He just said to me, He's like, I don't know 789 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 8: if the market's driving this or we're pushing it upon people, 790 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,800 Speaker 8: you know, with all the faux inset. The foe says, 791 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,720 Speaker 8: because it's so popular and it's so bizarre. 792 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 2: That's next time on sex lies and streaming shut Thanks 793 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 2: for listening. You can read more from me on news 794 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 2: dot com dot au and find me on Facebook if 795 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,760 Speaker 2: you want to let me know your thoughts about this series. 796 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 2: This show was written and hosted by me. My executive 797 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,760 Speaker 2: producer is Nina Young. Sound design and editing by Tiffany Dinmak. 798 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 2: Additional production assistant by Phoebe Zakowski Wallace. A big thanks 799 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 2: to Carrie Warren, the editor of news dot com dot 800 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,760 Speaker 2: A you for her support for the show.