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Speaker 1: Is it sits in Her with Kate Riki podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, guys. We're going to call this season two

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Speaker 2: of the Educate Podcast today. It is me, Kate and Jess.

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Speaker 2: Lizzie will be joining us from here on in, but

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Speaker 2: she just isn't here today. So we thought we'd do

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Speaker 2: a bit of pop culture warm up for the next

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Speaker 2: season with just the two of us. And I'm loving

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Speaker 2: this because I didn't know anything about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we're doing today.

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Speaker 3: We're doing maybe this is the reason Lizzie's not here,

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Speaker 3: because we're not doing Taylor Swift. We're doing her very

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Speaker 3: good friend, Sabrina Carpenters, who has just dropped a brand

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Speaker 3: new album. That album has sort of led to a

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Speaker 3: little bit of chat around who the songs might be about.

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Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a love triangle going on,

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Speaker 3: so we thought we'd break it down today. First of all,

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Speaker 3: have you listened to Sabrina's new album? It is called

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Speaker 3: Short and Sweet? Have you heard that at all?

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Speaker 2: I did listen to some of it in the car

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Speaker 2: with my ten year old daughter, was a big fan

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Speaker 2: of Sabrina. Of course, we only realized who Sabrina Carpenter

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Speaker 2: was thanks to Taylor swit exactly.

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Speaker 1: But I have to say I did.

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Speaker 2: Have to say to my daughter, Mummy might just have

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Speaker 2: to listen to this album on her own because we

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Speaker 2: were just listening to it in the car. May likes

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Speaker 2: to read the lyrics as well. Oh, I wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: doing all this album. No, And that's what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So I've probably only listened to about half of it

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Speaker 2: because I realized that perhaps it wasn't age appropriate. But

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Speaker 2: and now that you're going to explain a few things

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Speaker 2: to me, it might even be less.

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Speaker 3: So can I say it certainly isn't age appropriate for

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Speaker 3: a ten year old? And I did see a great

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Speaker 3: post on Twitter and someone said, parents of seven and

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Speaker 3: eight year old Sabrina fans, you are fighting for your

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Speaker 3: lives out there, because no doubt your kid.

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Speaker 1: Wants to listen. Of course, Oh there's a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Lines in there that you probably don't want to have

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Speaker 3: to explain to a young child.

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Speaker 1: So okay, yeah, it's actually quite good.

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Speaker 3: I think this is her like third or fourth studio album,

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Speaker 3: which means that she's sort of grown up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: A lot of the fans have grown up with her.

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Speaker 3: She's got a lot of new listeners, which is fantastic,

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Speaker 3: but if you are a younger listener, this one might.

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Speaker 1: Not might help me with you.

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Speaker 2: So explain this love triangle? Okay, who does it involve

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Speaker 2: and why haven't I heard about it?

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Speaker 1: I know, I know what We've been too much.

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Speaker 3: We've been too focused on Taylor's with Now we need

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Speaker 3: to expand. Okay, there's lots going on with other artists,

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Speaker 3: believe it or not, because.

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Speaker 2: The only thing I really knew about Sabrina is that

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Speaker 2: she was dating the guy from Saltburn.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and they actually and are they still still dating?

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Speaker 3: Confirmed that because she has released a new video clip.

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Speaker 3: I think Brats might have made like a doll from

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Speaker 3: the video clip, and he has commented on and said

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Speaker 3: where can I get one of these? So they were

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Speaker 3: kind of questions earlier last week about whether they were

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Speaker 3: still together or not. Confirmed they are still together, Barry,

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Speaker 3: his name is yes.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: This is a love triangle between Serena Carpenter, Sean Mendez

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Speaker 3: of all people, and can Cabo, who is Sean Mendes's

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Speaker 3: ex girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let me take you through the timelines.

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Speaker 3: So Camilla and Sean dated for about two years they

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Speaker 3: ended up breaking up in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Okay, two COVID.

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Speaker 1: Well it happened to everyone, didn't it.

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Speaker 3: It got them Actually in COVID, they would always be

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Speaker 3: paparazzi pictures of them, and they would go for a

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Speaker 3: walk around the block and they'd always be carrying like

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Speaker 3: a mug with them, just something that psychopaths do. I

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Speaker 2: And was it a cup of tea or was it

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Speaker 2: a shardon a hard.

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Speaker 3: To say, hard to say, You never know is what

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Speaker 3: is in there? Okay, So they broke up in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty one. We then see Sabrina Carpenter and Sean Mendes

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Speaker 3: pictured together for the first time in February twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 3: having dinner together in La So blogs are going off,

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Speaker 3: Instagram page pages, you know, are getting tips.

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Speaker 1: Dumoir is in on it.

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Speaker 3: We've seen them sighting the first official sightings. They then

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Speaker 3: the following MANK, so this is you know a little

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Speaker 1: Who is this? Who's this?

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Speaker 3: This is Sewan Mendes, yes, and Sabrina Cassander. They're then

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Speaker 3: spotted leaving a release party for Miley Cyrus's Endless Summer

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Speaker 3: Vacation that was her album, fueling further speculation they're dating.

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Speaker 3: They then attend the Vanity Fair Oscars party separately, but

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Speaker 3: a source told Entertainment Tonight that they were a thing,

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Speaker 3: and fans also speculated that Sean had been wearing an

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Speaker 3: emerald necklace in honor of Carpenter's May birthstone.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, so there's a lot of rumors.

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Speaker 3: Flying around that they're dating. However, days later, days after

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Speaker 3: Sean has denied that they're anything more than friends, and

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Speaker 3: he said we are not dating. He's told a Dutch

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Speaker 3: TV program that so gone on the record and said no,

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Speaker 2: Okay, when he's been asked nowt right, He's been asked.

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Speaker 1: Out right exactly okay.

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Speaker 3: And then one month later we see Sean Mendes he's

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Speaker 3: in Coachella. Who pops up at Coachella but Camilla Cabo,

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Speaker 3: his ex. We see them making out at Coachella. It's

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Speaker 3: rekindled their romance basically. So that's twenty twenty three, two

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Speaker 3: years down the track exactly. So you know, long lost

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Speaker 3: lovers reunited. We love a story like that.

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Speaker 1: It's always nice.

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Speaker 3: And so someone had said, oh, actually no, sorry, they're rekindled.

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Speaker 3: Romance lasted until June twenty twenty three, so just a

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Speaker 3: think too much more on that. Really they've broken up again.

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Speaker 2: And that's twelve months ago.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, old.

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Speaker 3: News until Sabrina drops Short and Sweet. Now, can I

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Speaker 3: say the first thing about this album? Apart from her

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Speaker 3: being short and Sweet, there's a few sort of meetings.

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Speaker 3: She also said in an interview I think with Zane

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Speaker 3: Low that it's called short and sweet because she had

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Speaker 3: some of her shortest ever relationships, but they've had the

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Speaker 3: most impact on her. So we're seeing pretty much like

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Speaker 3: whole album written about him over like a few month relationships.

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Speaker 3: Fans are saying that is what has happened here with Sabrina,

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Speaker 3: because there's a few songs on there that we can

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Speaker 3: probably guess are about new boyfriend Barry, but if you

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Speaker 3: listen to a lot of them, they are about a

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Speaker 3: bit of a love triangle, something that's ended, something that

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Speaker 3: she thought would last a little bit longer, which makes

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Speaker 3: for great songs. Can I just say I have listened

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Speaker 3: to this album back to front for the past like

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Speaker 3: four days straight, anytime I'm in the car.

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Speaker 1: It is so good. It's thirty two minutes, very easy

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Speaker 2: How many tracks I think there's.

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Speaker 1: Like twelve tracks.

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Speaker 3: The first track on the album is called Taste We've

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Speaker 3: just started playing on the radio.

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Speaker 1: It is such a good song.

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Speaker 3: It kind of talks about it's directed at your ex's.

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Speaker 2: And I have heard this one when I said, we

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Speaker 2: listened to it in the car and my ten year

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Speaker 2: old it was it was like, I know you're back

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Speaker 2: with you're back together, but you can taste me on.

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Speaker 3: Them exactly have a little listen to it. Not age appropriate,

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Speaker 1: Taste me so catchy and I loved off the back

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Speaker 3: I probably shouldn't laugh at this, but Camilla Cobeo released

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Speaker 3: an album I Don't Know a few months ago but

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Speaker 3: in the hyper pop genre. It didn't really land. We

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Speaker 3: didn't really play any of it here. And someone said,

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Speaker 3: they're finding all these lyrics that she had already written

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Speaker 3: about this situation. And someone said, it's amazing that Sabrina

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Speaker 3: had to release an album for people to then actually

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Speaker 3: just not that many people had heard it, which is

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a shame. So Taste great song

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Speaker 3: very much alludes to the fact that he's gone back

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Speaker 3: to back. Can you Taste Me on the Lips? Some

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Speaker 3: great lyrics there, they're.

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Speaker 1: Fits and with a with Kate Whitchie podcast.

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Speaker 3: She also dropped a video for Taste Now. This stars

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Speaker 3: Jenna or Tager, who you might know is Wednesday Adams

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Speaker 3: of are going back and forth. Great clip, lots of murder.

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Speaker 3: It's very gory. They're like finding all these different ways

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Speaker 3: There's also a great song on the album. It is

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Speaker 3: called Coincidence. Now keep in mind that when we were

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Speaker 3: are back together in Coachella. Coachella takes place in Palm Springs.

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Speaker 3: Have a little listen to some lyrics here, control.

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Speaker 1: Troll sprays, loos nice, sellous, looks kind of.

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Speaker 2: At least that's what you say.

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Speaker 3: Palm Springs look looks nice. But who's by your side?

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Speaker 3: She looks like the girl you outgrew.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's at least what you said.

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Speaker 1: So we're getting the story, which I absolutely love. There's

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Speaker 1: a few other lines that are just throughout the whole

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, let's be honest. The whole album is

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Speaker 1: about it. But I just picked out a few little

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Speaker 1: about Sean. Yeah, I think so, I can't.

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Speaker 3: So there's a few little moments in there that I love.

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Speaker 3: There's another song called Dumb and Poetic. There's a line

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Speaker 3: in there about someone taking mushrooms. First.

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Speaker 1: I want to play you something that Sean said on tour.

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Speaker 1: Have a little listen to this.

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Speaker 3: I was exploring five years old for the first time

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Speaker 3: like everyone should.

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Speaker 1: So the claim is he's done. She does mushrooms freeze anxiety.

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Speaker 1: That calms him down. As you might remember, he had

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Speaker 1: to cancel his big world tour.

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Speaker 3: That's too much pressure. Has experimented a little bit. And

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Speaker 3: then we get this, this line from It's Got This

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Speaker 3: song is called dumb and poetic. You don't want a

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Speaker 3: song written about you. Dumb and poetic have little very

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Speaker 3: much calling out things we've now heard publicly, like she

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Speaker 2: And are you saying that they weren't even together for

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Speaker 2: of months, a whirlwind of a relationship, quite full on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think maybe we in the real world

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Speaker 3: discount the fact that a few months, like it's a fling,

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Speaker 3: that relationship can and should mean a lot to you.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is the other little bit of audio I

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Speaker 3: want to play you. Now, this is a Jessmax special

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Speaker 2: All right, okay, but it's got to be I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: Sean released a song called Why Why Why, and there's

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Speaker 3: a line in there. Have a little listen to this first,

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Speaker 3: and then I'll talk you through. Its farther.

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Speaker 1: Should be the core. I'm still a kid, so.

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Speaker 3: Wow, so thought he was about to be a father

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Speaker 3: shook him to his core. So obviously, I don't know

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Speaker 3: what has happened there in that scenario. We won't speculate

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Speaker 1: But it hasn't its Welcome to the podcast. It hasn't eventuated, obviously.

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Speaker 3: But when I listened to the full Sabrina album, this

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Speaker 3: You might actually get it because.

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Speaker 1: It's a movie reference.

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Speaker 2: No, you're much such for.

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Speaker 3: Then, you know?

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Speaker 1: Just excute still on the great song.

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Speaker 3: It is called Juno, so you might have heard the lyrics.

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Speaker 3: One of me is fine, but too though, I want

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Speaker 3: you to make me Juno. No, have you seen the

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Speaker 3: song references the movie two thousand and seven movie of

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Speaker 1: All her journey. She was a teenen mum in that movie.

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Speaker 3: But like about everyone coming together and like finding love

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Speaker 1: Song on the album all about wanting to be pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Too much of a.

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Speaker 2: Stretch where we are. It's a hard one to comment on,

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Speaker 2: I know, isn't it? But it makes sense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's I mean, some might argue that it

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Speaker 2: makes more sense than other things you've said. I think

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Speaker 2: you've stretched further before.

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Speaker 3: I could be on the money here, although you could

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Speaker 3: she was potentially the mother to be, she would never

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Speaker 3: ever talk about it, and putting this song in means

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Speaker 3: it absolutely wasn't her.

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Speaker 2: So I've given you two options on a platoff since

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Speaker 3: This is great, you know, lots of crossover. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: I really recommend have a listened to Sabrina's album.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 2: There's so many great but maybe listen to it when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is a lyric in there which says you

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Speaker 3: like changes the lyrics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is is She's quite cheeky and she sang

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Speaker 2: it all out, she all out on the table.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, eight out of ten from me.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, we'll go back and have another listen and

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Speaker 2: look at it through very different eyes or ears.

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Speaker 3: What do you do?

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Speaker 2: But this is the thing, I didn't know anything about

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Speaker 2: this relationship up until now.

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