1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's Harps. Who else would it be? 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: It's Bloody, It's me, s Tiffany and Cook. It's Samantha 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Wills and it's another episode of you Project. I'm just checking. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm just NELLI. You know tip when you do something 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: and you think is it Wills or Willis? But I 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: did not have my glasses on because I'm an old 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm an old dickhead. Uh, it's Wills. It's definitely Samantha Wills. 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: But before we get to Samantha, talk to and Cook. 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: The life force of the show, the engine room, the brains, 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Samantha said. Samantha said, the brains, and I am a 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: beauty now she said that, not even me, I tiff. 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: It's a worry, isn't it if I'm the brains of 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: the organization. 14 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: Oh dear, you're right, You're not a dummy. You're not 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: a dummy. 16 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: You have spent the last decade getting my head punched 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: in for fun. 18 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: So well, that's well. You're probably not quite as smart 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: as you were before you started doing boxing for a 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: living and punching women in the face in a boxing ring. 21 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: You probably should thought that through. Have you ever punched 22 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: anyone Samantha in anger or in fun. 23 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: Not like punch Buggy in the Returns is about as 24 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 2: as violent as I've gotten. 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever done have you ever done any 26 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: boxing training? 27 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 3: You have done a bit of boxing training. 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: Well, if you ever in Melbourne, we might have to 29 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: put you in tip in the ring and we see 30 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: what happens. 31 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: Oh, that escalated very quickly. 32 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: That did escalate very quickly. Hey, welcome to the You project. 33 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: How are you? 34 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: I'm good, Thank you for having me. 35 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: On man, thanks for being had. Where do we find? 36 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Know where you are? But tell our listeners where you 37 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: are right now and what that place is to you. 38 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: It's i mean beautiful downtown Port mcquarie, my hometown. So 39 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: I've just come back. I've been five months in Bali. 40 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: I've been kind of setting around doing the nomadic digital 41 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: nomad life. 42 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: So back in Port McQuary for the minute. 43 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: What's your favorite other than Australia, which of course is 44 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: the hands down winner. Of course we know that obviously, 45 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: But if you had to, if you had to live 46 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: somewhere else for let's say two years, and the US 47 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: is not an option, so no US, No Australia. If 48 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: you had to live somewhere else and you needed to 49 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: start next week, where would it be for two years? 50 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 2: You know, I've just spent three months in Mexico City 51 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: and I absolutely loved it. It was I think the 52 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: word vibrant is overused when you're explaining trouble, but it 53 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: was a city where. 54 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 3: I got the word vibrant like. It was the creative 55 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 3: scene there, the food scene. It was awesome. So Mexico 56 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: City would be my reco It's funny. 57 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: I would not have picked that, but you are not 58 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: the first person. I wouldn't have picked it a year ago, 59 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: but now I would be more inclined. But I reckon 60 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: half a dozen people have told me that in the 61 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: last year. Really Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've never been. 62 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: I've been to the States a bunch of times, but 63 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: I've never been to Mexico. Tiff, have you been to Mexico? 64 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: I have not. Yeah. 65 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: I find it both intriguing and terrifying. Yeah, well, I 66 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: just because until I don't know how it is. But 67 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: for a very long time it had one of the 68 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: highest crime rates in the world, so I don't know 69 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: where that sits now. But at the same time, the 70 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: only Mexican people that I've met have been beautiful and amazing. 71 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: So my interactions and experiences have been all positive. So 72 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: I might have to I might have to put that 73 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: on my to do list at some stage. What were 74 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: you doing in Bali? 75 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: Just writing my next book, so we're kind of I 76 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: had a place in New York for many years and 77 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: then was like, let's just do a bit of a 78 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 2: nomad trip. So I did three months in Basico City, 79 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 2: three months in Argentina, and then have just done five 80 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: months in Bali. So it's been here and everywhere. 81 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what's the what's the place that you went to? 82 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to throw you under the bus, but 83 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, just for you, wasn't somewhere that you might 84 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: hurry back to. 85 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: That's actually really easy, And I don't want to be 86 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: mean to Argentina. But I did not like Juemos Aires. 87 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: It was it felt very quiet. I thought it would 88 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: be much more happening there, but I didn't. I didn't 89 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: love it as much as I hoped I would love it. 90 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 3: But the people were lovely, but I didn't love the 91 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 3: city that much. 92 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you a curly question straight up, Samantha. 93 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: So my PhD is in a thing called metaperception, which 94 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: is essentially your ability to understand the Samantha experience for 95 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: other people for other people. So what do you think 96 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: and this is not a loaded question, this is a 97 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: curious question. What do you think the Samantha experiences like 98 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: for others? And that's not to be confused with do 99 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: you think they like you? But what do you think 100 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: the Samantha experience is for you know, friends, strangers, colleagues, family. 101 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 3: That is such an interesting question. 102 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: I hope that it is, you know, I I really 103 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: hope that I lift other people up to see their 104 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: creative potential. 105 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: I very much hope that I'm a. 106 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: Reflection of not just what they're doing, but the potential 107 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 2: of what their ideas and what their vision can can 108 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: possibly be. And I think a lot of you know, 109 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: I work a lot one on one with people doing 110 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 2: brand mentoring or personal brand mentoring, and it's I just 111 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: I feel like I can see in others so much 112 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: goodness and possibility, and I hope I think they walk 113 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: away being like, Wow, I never saw that about myself. 114 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: So that's what I think the smout of experience. 115 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: I hope that's yeah, yeah, perfect it's a real skill, 116 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: and most people are not great that kind of trying 117 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: to understand because the only person in the world, you know, 118 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: same with me, and that's literally my research. But the 119 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: only person in the world who sees me like me 120 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: is me. And so you know, when you think about 121 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: right now, there's you, me and Tiff in this moment, 122 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: in this conversation, but no one's having the same experience, 123 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: right of course. And so yeah, trying to And you know, 124 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: you're a creative and you're a writer, and you're a coach, 125 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: and like, part of how good you will be is 126 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: about your capacity to understand what others want to read 127 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: or what others you know, what will inspire other people, 128 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: what will connect with other people? You know, what kind 129 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: of book can I create that they won't want to 130 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: put it down? 131 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: You know? 132 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,719 Speaker 1: So that's that's a real skill to have insight into 133 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: what others need and want, you know. 134 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 2: No, definitely, like what is your experience when you put 135 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: your the cre experience? 136 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 3: What is that? 137 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: So I mean, I've got pretty good insight because I've 138 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: been doing this a long time, but I know that, 139 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, like I've done nearly seventeen hundred of these 140 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: I worked in radio for a long time, so I've 141 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: heard a lot of my own my own voice. I 142 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: fucking hate my voice, right right. I think I sound 143 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: shit and other people go, oh, you've got a really 144 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: good voice for radio or whatever, Like I sound like 145 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: a fucking idiot. But I realize that's just me. But 146 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: I know that I can be intimidating. I don't try 147 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: to be intimidating. It's the last thing I want to be. 148 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: I try to be. I mean, the problem with trying 149 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: to be what you think people want is the you 150 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: end up not being you, and now you're not a person. 151 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: You're a persona right, So you know, my values are connection, 152 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: My values are service and love and kindness, and that 153 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: sounds cheesy, but it's true. So I try to be 154 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: a living version of all of that. And sometimes I 155 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: fuck it up because I've got a big ego and 156 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm a dickhead, and I'm insecure and all of those 157 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: human things. But you know it's I spend my life 158 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: talking on stages because I'm a professional speaker, but also 159 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: talking on podcasts, and so for me, it really matters 160 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: that I at the very least have an insight into 161 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: the Craig experience, because if I can't understand what it's 162 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: like being around me, then I really I really can't 163 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: create connection or rapport, trust or respect. And so you know, 164 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: whether or not it's in a writing capacity or a 165 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: speaking communication paradigm, being able to understand the Samantha experience 166 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: for the world is it's like an interpersonal superpower. Yeah, 167 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: I didn't think we'd go there straight up, but thank 168 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: you for asking me. 169 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: Right we're on. 170 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's interesting, and I think, you know, and 171 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: I guess that follow up question from that, And I 172 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 2: asked this myself sometimes, like how do people leave you, 173 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: like when they walk away from you? How how do 174 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: they feel? What's what's in the fingerprints that we leave, 175 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 2: you know, on their soul? And I guess, you know, 176 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: you can't control what that is. But I think that 177 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: by osmosis should come across and I hope that people 178 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: leave me inspired to do their own creative journey. 179 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah. Do you think that it's funny 180 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: because my background is in or studies in my first 181 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: degree was in science, my PhDs in science, But I 182 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: feel like I'm actually more of a creative than a scientist, right, 183 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, having written books and having just a whole 184 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: bunch of shit that I won't bore you with, but 185 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at creating something in my head and 186 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: then turning that into a real thing in the world, 187 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: a tangible thing. And that's a creative process, you know. 188 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: And even science in a way as a creative process, 189 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: because you've got to come up with an idea, a theory, 190 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: a hypothesis, and then figure out how am I going 191 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: to test that? 192 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: Right? 193 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: So that's a that's a problem solving creative kind of 194 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: a journey in itself. 195 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: You know. 196 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: One of the most interesting elements is when science and 197 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: creativity come together because science is so formulive, you know, 198 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: the formula base, but then putting either your own spin 199 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: on it, putting it through the language that resonates with 200 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 2: your audience. Like, I think, there's a real beauty when 201 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 2: science and creativity overlap. 202 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: And that's really interesting. 203 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So you've written, we'll get into your book. 204 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: You've written a new book which I'm excited to talk 205 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: to you about. And I've written I've written two books 206 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: for kids and some grown up books as well. Now, 207 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: just quickly, before we do a deep dive into the book. 208 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: Was this your first time? I think was your first 209 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: time writing a kid's book? Yeah? 210 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've written a memoir and this is my first 211 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: kid's book. 212 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: Okay, So tell me about what you had to learn 213 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: and unlearn writing for you know, a completely different audience. 214 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: Well, I'm an only child, so I didn't grow up 215 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: around a lot of young kids. I don't have kids myself, 216 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: so I had to learn pretty much everything. 217 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 3: But really what I did was I went back. 218 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: To what would I have wanted when I was a kid, 219 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: and that was kind of my starting point. And you know, 220 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: as a creative kid growing up, I really wanted, you know, 221 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 2: and growing up in the nineties in small town Australia, 222 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: there wasn't this window into the world of the internet 223 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: and what was possible. So for me, I kind of saw, 224 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: you know, hard working people and in my mind, smart 225 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 2: people went on to you know, get go to university, 226 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 2: get a degree, be lawyers, doctors, engineers, and then people 227 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: like me got jobs and then did their creativity as 228 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 2: a hobby. So I was like, you know, if I 229 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: could say to my little self, no, you can go 230 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 2: out there and be creative for your career. You can 231 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: build a life base around creativity because I just didn't 232 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 2: see that as an option growing up. So that was 233 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: kind of my starting point for this book to say 234 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: to kids, hey, your creativity is valuable, your ideas matter, 235 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: and there is this avenue for you should you wish 236 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: to if you don't feel smart at school, which I didn't. 237 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: You know, the message in this book is you can't 238 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 2: score smart without art. So that was kind of my 239 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: starting point to get that message. 240 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: You So tell me about that. Tell me about being 241 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: at school and not feeling smart. 242 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: What was that Like? 243 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: I just it was a bit numbing, to be honest, 244 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: Like I was like, I wasn't like, oh, I know, 245 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: if I try harder, i'll get there. I just don't 246 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: think my brain worked in the way that academic kids' 247 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: brains work. And so when the teachers, you know, in 248 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: the marks or in the class, if you're in the 249 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 2: top ten percent of the class, it's usually based on academics. 250 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 3: So, you know, I was. 251 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 2: Doing really well in creativity and art and kind of 252 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: all these creative subjects, but I. 253 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: Just didn't feel smart. 254 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 2: And I think as a kid, when you take that 255 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: feeling into adulthood, it dresses itself up as imposter syndrome. 256 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 3: So it kind of grows with you, it just changes. 257 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: Outits And so even you know, in the outward facing 258 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: by all accounts success I've had in my career today, 259 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: it was still filled with imposter syndrome. And you know, 260 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: it's kind of this whisper of you know, this is 261 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: just a fluke, This is just borrow time you succeeding here, 262 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: Like you know, people will realize you're not that smart, 263 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: So it definitely masquerades. 264 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that imposter syndrome, self doubt, overthinking, 265 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: fucking self sabotage. We swear on this show, by the way, 266 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: good yeah, so feel free. I'll open their fuck door 267 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: for you. 268 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: I don't need to die. 269 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, good good. But that's I think that's everyone. You know. 270 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: It's like I've been doing a version of this forever 271 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: and I talk to you about one hundred or more 272 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: audiences a year live, and I still get up there 273 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 1: and think, yeah, this is the day you're going to 274 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: fuck it up, because like you you know, it's like, Craig, 275 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: you've done really well. You've been honestly, you've been pretty lucky, right, 276 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: You've had some really generous audiences. You're not that good. 277 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: You're not that good, and you know that I don't 278 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: think that really. I mean, I guess for some people 279 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: it goes away. And this is going to sound weird, Samantha, 280 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: But for me, a bit of self doubt and a 281 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: bit of imposter syndrome is good for me, not overwhelming, 282 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: paralyzing fear. But it keeps me humble and I never 283 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: really take it. It keeps me humble in that I 284 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: don't take it for granted, and I don't think I'm great, 285 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: and the fact that I don't think I'm great makes 286 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: me work harder than if I thought I was great. 287 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: You know, that's just me. 288 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an interesting and I think if you can 289 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: make imposter syndrome and fear work for you, and that's 290 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: how you make it work for you. For me, I'm like, 291 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: I'm not even going to exert my energy trying to 292 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 2: overcome it. 293 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: I'm just going to be like, hey, I see you, 294 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: I acknowledge you. 295 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 2: I'm just going to step to the side and do 296 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: this speaking gig, do write this book, do whatever it is. 297 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 3: I'll come back to you in a sec. And I 298 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 3: find acknowledging it rather than trying to. 299 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: Overcome it for me, just silences it for enough time 300 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: for me to do the thing and be like, oh hey, 301 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: old pal, well that together again. 302 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: So it is a bit of a cycle. But to 303 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: your point, I think. 304 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 2: Everyone deals with it in a way that finding how 305 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: it works for you. 306 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: I think is the trick. 307 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Yes, And I think also what you're speaking about, I 308 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: say kind of the same thing in a different way, 309 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: which is I know that my self doubt, which is 310 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: a fear based thing today, you'll fuck it up, You're 311 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: not good enough, they won't like you. That's all fear. 312 00:14:56,360 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: That's emotion, right, it's all fear. So but but I 313 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: have data, I have evidence. I have a track record 314 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: that said as well, Craig, you know you can do 315 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: this because you've done this a lot and this company 316 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: is paying you to come back, so you can't do 317 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: that shit. So I think there's this paradigm, there's this place, 318 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: Samantha where the self doubt and the fear and that 319 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: all that bullshit can coexist with the knowledge I can 320 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: actually do it, you know. 321 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: So I don't know that does your self fither come from? 322 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: Like do you have a degree in what you're going 323 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 3: to talk about? 324 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: Like did someone externally validate you and be like, Okay, 325 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: you pass the test, here's your certificate. Because I feel 326 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: like my self data that I never went to university. 327 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: I'm completely self taught. So I'm like, I don't know, 328 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 2: adult gave me the permission slip, and you know there's 329 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: I have this thing room like you've got to sign 330 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: your own permission slip. But I'm always like and I'm 331 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: just waiting for the adult to come in. I'm like, no, no, 332 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: you're the adult in the room, like you need to 333 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: get this together. So, yes, that was my question. Is 334 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: your self doubt based on something that someone else has 335 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: validated for you? 336 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: That's so clever, that's so good. I want to speak 337 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: to your lack of degree in the moment because I 338 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: have some advice that you may or may not want. Right, Okay, 339 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: if I start coaching TIF, just tell me to shout 340 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: the fuck up. 341 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: Right, s me an invoice? So coaching session, no, not 342 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 3: at all, not at all. 343 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: So my self doubt probably is without trying to sound 344 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: weird or deep like, it's not. It's just it's like 345 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: a small voice, right, It's not this overwhelming scream and 346 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't paralyze me. But I mean, you know, at 347 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: the risk of boring my audience. So I was like 348 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: a pretty mediocre kid. I was morbidly obese in school 349 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: and all this stuff, right, pick last for teams. Not 350 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: a great academic, not a brilliant creative, not like literally 351 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: not amazing at anything, like so fucking average it pretty 352 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: much everything. And I think for me, because I knew 353 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: that I wasn't brilliant, I'm still not still know that, 354 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: still okay with that, right, But I knew that I 355 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: knew that I wasn't outstanding in anything. But so that 356 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: kind of lingers a bit that I think. But it's 357 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: almost just like, I don't know, it's like you had 358 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: something cut off when you were fourteen, off your forearm 359 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: or something, and the scar is still there and the thing, 360 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: the thing's not there anymore, but the scar is and 361 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: you're aware of it. Right, So it's almost for me 362 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: like a psychological, sociological and or emotional scar that I 363 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: have a bit of an awareness of, but it doesn't 364 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,959 Speaker 1: fuck me over. But just quickly back to you. I 365 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: was talking to a lady yesterday. Her name is I 366 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: can't pronounce her surname well, but it Sarah Rushbatch. Is 367 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: that her name, Tiff, you know, the Gray Area drinking lady. 368 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yeah. 369 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: So I was talking to her, and I don't think 370 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,679 Speaker 1: she'd mind me talking about this. So she specializes this. 371 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: You're going to go, what the fuck is he talking about. 372 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: I'll come back to you, right. She specializes in this 373 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: area called Gray Area drinking, where you know, people they're 374 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: not our coolics, but they're problem drinkers. So they might 375 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: not drink for four or five days, which is not 376 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: typical of an alcoholic, but then they'll get devastated every 377 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: weekend and then they're no good till Tuesday, but they'll 378 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: only drink two days and all of that. And she 379 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: started to work with companies and you know, she started 380 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 1: to go in this space and she's like, I feel 381 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: in some ways unqualified to talk about mind stuff, for 382 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,719 Speaker 1: brain stuff, for psychology or human behavior because i'm you know, 383 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: and I said, well, here's the thing, and this is 384 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: and I've said this to Tiff, because TIFF's also a 385 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: corporate speaker and coaches people, and you know, I say, 386 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: you're not one. You're not pretending to be an expert 387 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 1: in human behavior and you're not claiming to be too 388 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: you're not pretending you're a psychologist. Right, It's like, you 389 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: don't need to be a dietitian to tell someone that 390 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: McDonald's is probably not your best choice. You don't need 391 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: to be a fucking genius to go, hey, Coco pops 392 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: are probably not optimal nutrition for Brecky. Right. You don't 393 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: need a degree, and neither do you need a degree 394 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: to go, Hey, everyone, I'm Samantha. This is what I've learned, 395 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: this is these are my experiences, this is my journey, 396 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: this is what worked for me, this is what I've 397 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: come to understand, this is what I think and believe, 398 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: and these are the reasons why I'm going to share 399 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: with you my philosophy, my ideas, my experiences, and then 400 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: you take out of that what you think is relevant 401 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: and if you want, apply it. Right. 402 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: But I think that's even your voice changed in how 403 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: you're saying that, Like, I think it's very different to 404 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 2: be like, here's my experience, my lived experience, rather than 405 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 2: here's some hard data or you know, McDonald's dad, or 406 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: whatever the hard data is. And I think that's a 407 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: really empowering lens to approach it with you, like, this 408 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: is my experience this is my lived experience, and I 409 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 2: want to share up with you rather than I'm an 410 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: expert on this topic and let me tell you why 411 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 2: I'm right and you're wrong. 412 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 3: So absolutely, yes. 413 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And you know, like even the experts, it's 414 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: like I would people might call me an expert in 415 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: terms of exercise science because that's been my background. I'm 416 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: an exercise scientist and blah blah blah, and I've done 417 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: a lot in this field. But even when I prescribe 418 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: someone a program, for example, it's still an educated guess. 419 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 420 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I still don't know what the fucking outcome 421 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 1: is going to be because everybody's body responds individually, like 422 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: everyone's physiology is different, just like everybody's brain is different. 423 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: Nobody's got the same mind as anyone else, you know. 424 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 3: But in your. 425 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: Case, you're like, here's the data that I have to 426 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 2: back up what I think is going to happen. So 427 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: it's I totally understand it and agree with what you're saying. 428 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: And I think in any any time you're speaking, though, 429 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 2: whether you're giving advice, whether you're just telling your story, 430 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: it's a place of vulnerability and you have to arrive 431 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 2: at with a place of vulnerability. 432 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: Otherwise it's just arrogance. 433 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: And I think, and to your point before, like, if 434 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 2: you're not feeling a bit uneasy when you've been vulnerable, 435 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: you're probably not doing it right. 436 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: Yes, definitely, But I also think I agree with you. 437 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: But when you are in front of an audience and 438 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: you you kind of have this vibe of hey, everyone, 439 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not a guru, just letting you know, 440 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: not a guru, not an expert. I'm just going to 441 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: share my journey and story. Some of you will resonate, 442 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: some of you won't. That's cool, you know. And I 443 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: think like the data that you have, the evidence that 444 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: you have, the science in inverted commas, that you have 445 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: your results, like everything that you've been doing until now 446 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: in your business, with your creative journey, with your books, 447 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: with your writing, with your business development, with your online 448 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: with your offline. You could call all of that research. 449 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: You could call that the Samantha project and equals one 450 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: like you're the you know, it's you in the middle 451 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: of this experiment, and so people can't argue with your 452 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: own research or your own outcomes, and you're not telling 453 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: people what to do. 454 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean, no, definitely, And I 455 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: think that's that's the realization that I think through the 456 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 2: journey you get to you you're like, Okay, the way 457 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 2: that I explain things, or my methodology or my you know, 458 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: however I look through that lens. That's why people resonate 459 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: with you. And then someone could be saying a very 460 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: similar experience but explain it a different way, and that's 461 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 2: that's how people resonate with them. So that's you know, 462 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 2: when I say about the imposter syndrome, it's probably more 463 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 2: beer based around you're just not good enough, not so much, you. 464 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 3: Haven't done the time, you don't know what you're doing. 465 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: So it's that continual dance with it, which to your point, 466 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: I think sometimes that you know, and the retaliator in 467 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: me is like, well, I'll show you imposter syndrome. 468 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 3: So in a way I do make it work. 469 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: So yeah, it comes around. So everyone, well not everyone, 470 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: but a lot of people that I have on who've 471 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: written a book. Actually someone who's recently published Congratulations. By 472 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: the way, as we record this, it's the thirtieth of October. 473 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: This will be up in the next day or two. 474 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 1: Samantha's new book got released yesterday the twenty ninth Am 475 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: I correct in saying. 476 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 3: That that is correct. Yep. 477 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: And the book is called Marigold's Magic Stars. Before we 478 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: talk specifically about the book, I want to know about 479 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: your writing process. Is it instinctive? Intuitive? Is it learned 480 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: as have you? How do you do it? Like? What's 481 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: your protocol? Yeah? 482 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: Well, I mean obviously very different from this kid's book 483 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 2: versus the memoir. The memoir I found quite difficult. I 484 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: think going back to, you know, the darkest, most vulnerable 485 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: parts of your life, revisiting them, pulling them out and 486 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: putting them on a page to be consumed, you know, 487 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: within a chapter. Definitely was a longer and more arduous process. 488 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 2: But you know, it metaphorically felt lighter with every page 489 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 2: that I wrote to get it, to get it out 490 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: and onto the page. This spook actually Marigo's Magic says. 491 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: I wrote it in one of the lockdowns, and it's 492 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: been that long in process to get it out here today. 493 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: But it actually arrived to me almost fully formed. And 494 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 2: I talk about creativity like this kind of bubbles that 495 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 2: are always floating around us and just waiting. You know, 496 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Gilbert talks about there trying to find a human collaborator. 497 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: And I just feel like Marigo kind of landed on 498 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: me one day and it was a middle beginning end 499 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: and I sat down at my desk. I didn't get 500 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: up to you know, check the fridge, I didn't get 501 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 2: up to p and I was like, this needs to 502 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: come out as it's coming into my mind and wrote 503 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: kind of the first draft in one sit down go. 504 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 3: And felt it felt like a story that needed to 505 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 3: be told. 506 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: But it's you know, that feels like an idyllic case 507 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: as a writer, because most writers, myself included, love having written. 508 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: But hate writing. 509 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: So it definitely felt like a unique story that downloaded 510 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 2: to me. 511 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: So it's been three years in. 512 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: The making though from that point, but I'm excited to 513 00:24:59,359 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 2: have her out there. 514 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: And it's like I think sometimes with creatives, it's like 515 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: that you know, Marigold was there, you just needed to 516 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: get her out. It's like, you know, just percolating away. 517 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: I think tip was it Michaelangelo that sculpted the David 518 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: and Bob Bobby always talks about when somebody asked Michelangelo 519 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: how we sculpted the David, which is arguably the most 520 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: famous sculpture in the history of art. He said, Well, 521 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: the David was always there. I just needed to I 522 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: just needed to get all the bits, the non David bits, 523 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: out of the way. 524 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 525 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: And I think that's the most powerful way to look 526 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: at creativity and not just as you know paint and pottery. 527 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 3: Will's creativity like. Creativity is life like. 528 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 2: What we're what we're destined to do is there if 529 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: we are brave enough to take inspired action to meet it, 530 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 2: if we're brave enough to take the feared and remove 531 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: you know, the unknown and walk towards it, it's there 532 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 2: waiting for us. But I just don't think, you know, 533 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: that's a lot easier said than done. But it's very 534 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: similar to be our process. 535 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: Hey, I don't know if you heard about this tip. 536 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if we've spoken about this either. We 537 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: might have, But so recently, do you know who banks 538 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: he is, Samantha, I do, yes, yeah, so tif do 539 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: you know this Banksy story that was circulating recently? Yeah, yeah, 540 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 1: So Banksy gave this this man I think it was 541 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: eight original Banksy Samantha and to go to a market 542 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: in New York. I don't know this story here. 543 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 3: It's brilliant and. 544 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: So for our listeners. So he went to this stall 545 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: he set up, and I think there was like eight 546 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: or ten. So a banks is worth whatever one hundred 547 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: and two hundred US thousand dollars that he does in 548 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: fucking twelve minutes. And then you know, But it was 549 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: funny because then it had on the stall, it had 550 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: original Bankses and they were like sixty or eighty bucks 551 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: and they didn't even sell. I think they sold four 552 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,360 Speaker 1: or five of them or something, but not all of them, 553 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: and people were haggling. People wanted it for forty, not sixty. 554 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: But it's funny, how like, I'm fascinated. I don't know, 555 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: we're digressing, but we'll come back. I'm fascinated with the 556 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: psychology of value related to art. It's like because if 557 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: you think, like, let's say I drew something that was 558 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: identical to a Banksy and everyone thought Banksy did it, 559 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: what's worth two hundergrand? But if it's the exact same thing, 560 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, identical, same canvas, same paint, same everything. But 561 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: fred Smith did it or Craig Harber did, it's worth 562 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: a dollar thirty five? You know what do you think 563 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: about that? The psychology and the value are I. 564 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: Mean, it makes absolutely no sense. I appreciate it. I 565 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: think art is valuable. I think artists should be paid 566 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 2: at top dollar. But to your point, like it makes 567 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: no sense when you do it that it's a very 568 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 2: fickle world to live and revolve in that said having 569 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: and more so now in the same age when digital 570 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: is so easy to replicate, all things are so easy 571 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: to imitate. 572 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 3: So I don't know, I'm not throwing my. 573 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 2: Money at art, but I do appreciate the process and 574 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 2: I admire it from a distance. In that echelon of 575 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 2: when we're talking about that type of money in art, you. 576 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: Think about think about the psychology of money and value 577 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: and perceived value. It's like, there are I was going 578 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: to do a gig. I was booked to do an 579 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: event with Now this might what I'm telling you is true, 580 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: but the number might be flawed. But I was booked 581 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: to do an event about a decade ago, and there 582 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: was like five speakers, and one of the speakers was 583 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: Lance Armstrong. Now this is before the shit hit the 584 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: fan with his right, But I was told he was 585 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: being paid quarter of a million dollars for a forty 586 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: five minute note, right, And I you know, let's just 587 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: say I wasn't getting anywhere near that, obviously, but at 588 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: the time I'm thinking what could somebody do? Like what 589 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: could how on earth? And I was just so blunt. 590 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: Even if it was fifty grand, which it wasn't. It 591 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: was way more than that. But even if it was 592 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: fifty grand, right, And I looked, I look at that 593 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: in the marketplace, and I think, you know, it's like 594 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: people who would spend a million dollars on a car, 595 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: or people who would spend Even where I live there's 596 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: a whole lot of guys and a few girls. It's 597 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: a very very cycling focused area. 598 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 3: Right. 599 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: So if you have a bike, if you're out on 600 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: Beach Road near where I live, and your bike's not 601 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: worth ten grand, you've got a shit bike, right, you know, 602 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: it's like, who the fuck would want to spend ten 603 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: or fifteen thousand dollars on a push? Well, a lot 604 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: of people, you know. 605 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 3: It's interesting. 606 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: I think with the speaker one is interesting because that 607 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: makes more sense to me because I'm like, if Lance 608 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: Armstrong is going to draw a lot of people to 609 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: spend money on ticketing, that makes more sense in the 610 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: creative world to me. The bike thing, whether it's you know, 611 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: an identity a visual statement, like same as what you 612 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: choose to wear, things like that. But when you talk 613 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: about art on a canvas, that's where I'm like, oh, 614 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 2: that's that's a harder one to explain to me. 615 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, So give us the snapshot of Marigold. 616 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: Tell us about or as much or as little as 617 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: you want to tell us about them. 618 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 619 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: No, it's you know, it's an eighty page book, so 620 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 2: children's literature, you know, I say it's in a children's format, 621 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: but it very much is for any creative adult that 622 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 2: feels like they've kind of drifted from their creativity. I 623 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: think as kids, we are so innately in tune with 624 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: our intuition and our creativity. And in the book, Marigold's 625 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: intuition is represented by stars, so when she's inspired, you know, 626 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: they dance her hands and through our minds, and you know, 627 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 2: she has this experience where she's kind of not everything's 628 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: about creativity and get your head out of the cloud 629 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: and stop daydreaming, which I think every creative person has 630 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: been told. 631 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 3: And you know, you talk about the scar that you 632 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 3: said has. 633 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 2: Healed over when you're fourteen, but the DNA is still there, 634 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 2: And I think very much when we're told those things 635 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: as kids, we hold on to them as truth. So, 636 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: you know, if we're a creative kid and we're now 637 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: a creative adult, but we've suppressed that creativity, it's going 638 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 2: to kind of sit as a rub on us where 639 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: we might not feel like we're doing what we're, you know, 640 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: what we meant to be doing in this life. We're 641 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 2: doing what we've been told we should be doing. So 642 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 2: that's what I hope the story resonates with people, bit kids, 643 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 2: be it adults, that it's you know, we have been 644 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: guided by our creativity to align with I say, our 645 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: higher self and our higher purpose, and it's our responsibility 646 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,000 Speaker 2: to follow that. So I hope it encourages people to 647 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 2: get back to their creativity and really follow that passion within. 648 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: And what kind of age group do you think, Samantha, Like, 649 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you said adults, but did you write it 650 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: with an age group in mind? Particularly? 651 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: I wanted it to feel I would say the age 652 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 2: group is about six to ten. It's a hardcover book 653 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 2: that comes in a first edition collector's box, and I 654 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: really wanted it to feel like, if you say it, 655 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: you know a seven or eight year old. You can 656 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 2: read the book entirely by yourself and it feels like 657 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: you've read a grown up novel. I wanted them to 658 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 2: feel that sense of achievement at the end of it. 659 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 2: If it's a younger kid, you're probably reading it to 660 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: them over two or three nights. And we've collaborated with 661 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: Emma Leonard was an incredible Victorian illustrator, and she has 662 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: bought the world of Marigold to life so beautifully through 663 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: these watercolor and digital illustrations, and it's an illustration on 664 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: every page. 665 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 3: It's a beautiful art book as well. 666 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: And who did you, if anyone well other than the 667 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: adults that read it to give you bloody you know, 668 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: technical feedback or robmatic you know, did you test drive 669 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: it on any kids? 670 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 3: I sent it to my god kids. I've got a 671 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 3: few early readers that. 672 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 2: Read it and the most heartwarming feedback and when I 673 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 2: knew I was on the right track with it, where 674 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: they said, oh my gosh, Marigold is me. 675 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 3: I see myself in Marigold. 676 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 2: And I think with any type of storytelling that is 677 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: the goal, right We want to see ourselves reflected back 678 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: in a character and their experiences so all the early 679 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: readers that have had it in the last week or 680 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: so have said similar things, so it's very very encouraging. 681 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, congratulations. Hey have you have you ever 682 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: heard of a guy called sir Ken Robinson? 683 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 3: Of course, yes, yeah. 684 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: Do you remember did you see his Ted talk where 685 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: he spoke about you know, do you remember this tip 686 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: where sir Ken Robinson spoke about the young girl who 687 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: couldn't focus in class and they thought she had some 688 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: intellectual disability and blah blah blah, And the assessor came 689 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: and said, oh, she's not she's not handicapped. She's an artist. 690 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: She's a creative and of course her name was Gillian 691 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: Lynn and she went on to choreograph Cats and some 692 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: of the best shows in the world. It's like, the 693 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: really interesting thing about intelligence is that it's a spectrum. 694 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,359 Speaker 1: It's not a thing. It's lots of things, you know. 695 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 2: It is that I think for so long, I know 696 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 2: myself growing up and I'm not sure what the school 697 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 2: system is like now, but for so long it was 698 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: greater just on one thing. So you kind of grow 699 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 2: up not thinking that that you're that, and I think, 700 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 2: you know, looking at what creative people have gone on 701 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 2: to do that might not have had that encouragement as 702 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 2: a kid. It's just wildly it's so intelligence all of 703 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 2: its own, and it's quite mesmerizing. 704 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I'm with you, and it's look, I think 705 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 1: there on now you know they're you know, there's a 706 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: bunch of different you know, Joseph Steiner and Jiff what's 707 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: the other one, the other model of education. That's a 708 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: lot of people, Monsorry, yeah, Monsouri. There's quite a lot 709 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: of new kind of academic models coming out, and I 710 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,919 Speaker 1: think also in mainstream schooling they're catching on. But I'm 711 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: with you, Samantha, Like when I grew up and I'm 712 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: fucking one hundred years older than you, but when I 713 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: grew up, I was I mean, I wasn't a dummy, 714 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,879 Speaker 1: but yeah, you were all it was pretty much all 715 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: about academic intelligence. And I think now we're starting to 716 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: open the door and understand a little bit more broadly 717 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: what that can mean. But hopefully meet kids where they're 718 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: at in terms of their unique intelligence and ability. Just 719 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: quickly before we let you go, super good to meet you, 720 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: by the way, Great chatty, what's your next book about? 721 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 3: I've got two kind of on the go. I she 722 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 3: had got three on the go. I was in film. 723 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 2: School in New York a few years ago, and it 724 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 2: was when Roe V. Wade was overturned, and I took 725 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 2: it as inspiration to kind of plot out this dystopian 726 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 2: world of what that might look like twenty years from 727 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 2: now if that continues on. 728 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: So I'm working on that very dark and heavy material. 729 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: So it's my internet search history is quite grim on 730 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 2: that one. And I've already worked on the second book 731 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 2: of Marigold. And yeah, I just got a few little 732 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 2: projects on the go, and I keep jumping between between 733 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: them all because I feel, you know, creatively, when I'm 734 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 2: kind of in a project and get writer's block, I 735 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 2: don't want to step away and stop being creative. I 736 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 2: kind of want to just pivot or creative rulette I 737 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 2: call it, and kind of move to the next project 738 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 2: and allow the creativity to flow through that way. 739 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 3: So it still being creative, but just on a different channel. 740 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: Perfect. Now, what's this split between reading a hard copy 741 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: book and listening to books? What are you? Are you 742 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: all books or are you audible? Are you old? 743 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 3: I prefer old school. 744 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 2: I definitely prefer to have a book in my hands 745 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 2: because I travel so much. I definitely am a kindle girl, 746 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: but I do love an audiobook. If I'm on a 747 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 2: road trip, I cometing to focus unless I'm in the car, 748 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 2: but that's definitely an audiobook. 749 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 1: Time great, Now, before we let you go, what do 750 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 1: you want to plug? Where do you want to tell 751 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: our listeners to go and look at? Obviously? The book 752 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,280 Speaker 1: everyone is called Marigold's Magic Stars by Samantha Wills, illustrated 753 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: by What's your Friend's Name? Emma Leonard. 754 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 2: Emma Leonard illustrated it, and it is available exclusively at 755 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 2: briobooks dot com dot. 756 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,240 Speaker 1: Au perfect perfect, Hey, well, we appreciate you. Congratulations the book. 757 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 1: The book looks beautiful. I've got an e copy and 758 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm not just saying this everyone, it looks fucking amazing. 759 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: So well done you, good for you, Good for you, 760 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: and good luck. We'll say goodbye off air, but for 761 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: the minute. God luck with the next books as well, 762 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: good luck with this. I hope you sell a squillion 763 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: and keep doing what you do because you're really good 764 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: at it. 765 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Thank you so much. 766 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 1: Thanks Amantha,