WEBVTT - Facing death to breaking addiction: Nick Midgley Pt.2 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.880 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.039 Detective sy aside of life the average person is never 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.119 exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.040 For twenty five of those years I was catching killers. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.200 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.560 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.120 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.400 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.760 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.440 and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.640 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.320 Join me now as I take you into this world. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.879 Welcome back to part two of my chat with Nick Midgley, 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.400 former heroin Addict and now program director of the Hope 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:53.720 in Health Rehab Center. 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:55.600 Nick, welcome back, Thank you man. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:56.279 Thanks having me. 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.600 I'm going to hit you up with a hard one. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.400 First up, who's the positive person in your life that 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:05.240 you've you've met to date, who's had a good influence 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:05.480 on you. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.560 I've made lots of people have had good influences on me, 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.240 But in terms of the most positive person, like his 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:18.000 attitude being positive would be my sponsor. You know. So, 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.360 like I do a twelve step program, not so much now, 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.440 but like I still a lot more of it. I'm 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.399 still still involved to some degree. But I've got a sponsor, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:30.720 and I've had a few sponsors over the time. And 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:32.600 I've always chosen people have done a lot of jail 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.160 time and stuff, people that could hold secrets really well, 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.920 because I thought I need a whole yeah you space, 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:41.720 yeah yeah yeah. But at this time around, I knew 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.959 I needed something different, you know, and Matte does this 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:49.000 guy he worked in rehabits a long time too. You know, 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.240 he's a he's a psychotherapist, and he wears all op 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.120 shop clothes, you know, it's a surfey and Byron. He's 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.400 got like, you know, his long long white hair, walks 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:03.600 around bed, rides his bike everywhere and then yeah, yeah, man, 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:07.240 he's just but he is the epitome of just like 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:12.639 fucking happiness. He's always smiling, you know, and it's never 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.680 it's never a FOURD thing. He's just he's just worked 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.760 out a really simplistic way to live life, man. And 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.400 I chose him because like I didn't know what it was. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.000 I just look at him. I don't know what it 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.160 is you've got, but I know I need more of it, 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:33.760 you know, and yeah and say yeah, he's Any. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:36.280 Time I got like a crisis, like a hall do 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:37.639 I What do I? What do I do? 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.440 I've got my MoMA, my boys sneaking his girlfriend into 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.000 my place and they're both on the rage, and mom, 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:45.120 what do I do? 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.200 Like, you know, you do come across people like that 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.200 and they put off a different type of energy, don't 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.440 you Like there's a real zen like calmness about them 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:56.880 that yeah. 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.240 Yeah, yeah, And then then that's that's the stuff that 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.280 makes spiritual you really sort of appealing for me. Yeah. So, 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.240 like you know, because when I took my spiritual path, 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:07.160 like my I had this idea because my mum and 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.320 my sister quite spiritual, and I thought that was quite 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.240 weird and a weird thing to do that we weird 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.200 people do in weird places. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:14.480 And stuff like that. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.400 But man, like you know, when I saw like someone 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.480 like him that practices the way he does, and after 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:24.000 him other people as well, I thought, fuck, you know, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.320 that's that's why you do one of the because like 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.120 you know, it's yeah, you actually become you can actually 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.440 become a peaceful person in this world, you know, and 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:35.880 feel good within. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:40.360 Yourself that that contentment, and that's something that they always 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:44.680 seem content where you contruct space. And it's good to 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.120 surround yourself with people like that for sure, because I 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.320 know that that's yeah, not necessarily in my nature, but 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.760 a little bit rubs off from one person or another 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.000 that you hang around, Like, you don't want toxic people 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:57.760 in your life. 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.840 You definitely want that. I think it's good to have 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.520 like a big spectrum of people in your life, you know. 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.320 So like you know, I've got I've got quite a 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:10.280 lot of ambitious, very successful business people in my life 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.680 and like you know, and entrepreneurial quite people that you know, 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:15.920 it was sort of like you know, and we brainstorm 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:17.760 each other sort of stuff and we help each other 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:20.200 sort of grow and you know, financially and stuff like that. 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.599 Then I've got my people that you know that you know, 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:28.000 my my my boys, so you know, but they're really yeah, 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.320 they're they're they're not shut off typical males or they 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.719 can talk through proper, proper relationships stuff. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:37.680 And that's something that I've got Yeah, I've got a 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.279 group of mates that we do the bloke type of 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.920 conversation where it's just hey, you going good mate? Yeah 0:04:43.320 --> 0:04:46.600 you could be going through ship but yeah, it's it's 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:50.359 it's superficial. And then you've got people in your life 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.919 that you and blakes and let let's talk about like 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.359 masculinity because I think that's. Uh, it's a tough world 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.480 being a black, I think, and we cop a lot 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:04.560 of and a lot of it deserved. But sometimes it's 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.400 good for a bloke to be able to speak to 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:11.000 another bloke and and talk about emotions. Yeah, you've said 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:16.200 like you've gone through a relationship breakup. I would suggest 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.479 half half your mates to go. No worries, mate, There's 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:20.440 plenty of fish in the sea, but you want the 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.880 conversation with someone that can break it down. How are 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:24.320 you feeling? 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.800 Man? That's right. So you know, I'm just gone through 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.279 alas of breakup and it was it was a tough 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:33.159 one because I had to I had to walk away 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.440 from a girl that I really I really did and 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.520 do your love you know, but it was just it 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.800 wasn't functional in my life. And so if I went 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:45.359 to a certain demographical friends that I do have, and. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:48.200 You know, one of them might tell. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.839 Me that you know, all women know, and then the 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.400 other one might tell me I was like, you know, 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.800 we'll get you another one and yeah, yeah, you know 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.760 whatever if if they just make it really you know, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.760 show un superficial, there's nothing, there's nothing when to get 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:04.840 out of there, like I need, you know. 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:07.719 Yeah, I need, I need. 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:10.800 I need men in my life also that I haven't 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.719 bring to stuff too and just you know, and have 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:17.040 someone like you know, run, you know, run the actual 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.200 scenario pass me. So oh if you leave this person, 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.839 these are the attributes they have and just make things. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.440 Really, I think that's where we get confused. Like blokes, 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.160 you know, well we're taught or I was taught not 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.440 to show your emotions and all that. You bottle it up. 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.359 And there's a need for that. You need blokes to 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.880 be blokes at points in time you don't want to 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.680 be even if you're scared, you're not going to show 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:41.960 it in certain situations. But to have that to be 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:46.159 able to be vulnerable. What I've found in my path 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.719 in life, it's a lot of the guys, the genuine 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.479 tough guys. Like when I say tough guys in that 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.280 you want them standing beside you if you're in conflict, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.800 whether it's a physical or whatever. They're the ones that 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.640 can actually strip it down because there's no bravado about them. Mate, 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.000 I feel really sad. You know, it could be I 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:08.680 feel really sad because of this or whatever. This is 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.040 what I'm feeling. Do you find that that there's people there. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.640 We've got this perception that masculinity you can't be vulnerable. 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:18.400 But the real tough guys, the ones that I look 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.280 up to and respect, have got that vulnerability and can 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.400 talk about it because they don't have to prove themselves. 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.600 Yeah, and I think it takes a huge amount of 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.800 strength and courage to actually be vulnerable. You know. The 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.480 amount of the amount of strength that a man needs 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.560 to have to be able to talk about how he 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:37.080 actually feels and how he conducts himself in the world 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.800 is huge. And I look at that as huge strength. 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:42.720 They even did back when I was full of ego 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.360 and insecurities and stuff. I used to look at men 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.120 like that and go, fuck, that's really admirable. They can 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:48.360 do that. 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.600 But I wouldn't fuck that, you know, But like, good 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:52.040 on them. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.440 It gets to that point where you've got the confidence 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.480 to say, shit, yeah I was scared. I didn't want 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.680 to go in there, but you still can do it 0:07:59.040 --> 0:07:59.640 or whatever you. 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:05.800 Yeah, man, look like you know, and I see that 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.080 with myself now. Man, I would not lay hands on 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.240 anyone now unless to put hands on me first. And 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.080 I've had I've had that. I've had people like aggressively 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.480 fucking wanting to knock my head off right in front 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.320 of me, and stuff like that too, And I don't 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.920 bat I didn't now, like until I lay hands on 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.920 me or or threaten my family. Like, I wouldn't do 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:28.760 anything like that. But like you know, I know, I 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.920 know that I've still got stuff in me that, you know, 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.760 like if I need to, I can still fucking look 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.680 after myself. But I also know that, like you know, 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.720 I'm okay and comfortable enough in myself to be able 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.359 to sort of, like you know, be on a podcast 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.200 and tell you that I've just gone through a break 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.719 up with a girl I really love. I wouldn't want 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.000 to tell anyone that I loved anyone or you know, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:55.880 like I looked at I looked at love itself as 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.400 like a weakness and a vulnerability let alone and anything else. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:01.880 I think I've been doing this long enough for myself. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:05.120 Now that I see the I see the different script, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:08.600 you know, like I I see uh, I see men 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:12.520 so fucking hurting jart up and they're trying to act cool, 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.720 you know, and and I hear it in their laugh 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:20.359 like they laugh. It's a fake laugh. It's just like 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.440 like now, you hear it at pubs and stuff especially, 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.439 it's just like you know, and it's just this fake 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.640 talk like there and it's like they put on this 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:31.640 Yobo slang and you know, you just listen to it. 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:33.880 I listened to that now. Just go man, fucking like 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:35.480 how fake is it? 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:39.400 Like I get bored with that type of class. Yeah, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:41.480 it's in different goal. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:44.680 Fucking you know. Just honestly, I just can't be around it, man. 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.880 You know that's not as a judgment to them. That 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.640 was me all my life, you know, but I just can't. 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:54.439 I just can't. I just I can't tolerate it now, man, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.800 you know what I mean. And if I get that, like, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:58.560 I challenge you know, see, if if I get met 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.560 with that on the top of guy now that try 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.760 challenging to go a bit deeper and look a little 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.880 bit deeper because I need that, you know, because I'm 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:10.439 authentically who I am. You know, I've opened myself up 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.400 to meet people the same way. And so when people 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.360 can be authentic with me and give me the same 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.400 we can have real good intimate conversations and like I 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.400 talk for days with these people, get to know those 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.000 people really well, and stuff like that. But you know, 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:26.160 like the will challenge to people that you know that 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:29.080 that meet me there, you know, and if they can't go, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:31.679 they can't go past the shallow. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:39.920 I struggle with the superficial conversations. And yeah, everyone's life. 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.080 You get kicked in the guts, whether it's you know, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.760 you've had your heart broken or something happened, someone's died 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.160 in your family, whatever. I like to when I've got 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.240 situations like that, you've got people that can actually have 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.199 that conversation and how do you feel, you mate, It's 0:10:57.240 --> 0:10:58.360 all right to feel this way. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:10:59.200 That's yeah. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.240 When the h fan with the cops had some really 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.280 good friends that reached out because I'm standing there, no, no, 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.120 it's fine. I'm sitting sitting at home just bloody doing 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:13.480 nothing and not training, just stopped, and I was really 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.040 in a down spot. But there were friends that I 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.880 could actually talk to about that without being ashamed of it, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.920 talking about it, and it helped. But there were other people. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:25.400 How you go, mate, get the phone call, Oh good mate, 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:29.199 no worries that type of thing, just a superficial I can't. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:34.000 I can't do those type of things. But when you 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:37.440 are comfortable with And this is where I talk boxing, 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:39.880 and so I don't get into trouble talking boxing all 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:41.839 the time. But just police boys clubs and all that 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:44.120 I saw when I was in the cops. A lot 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.240 of kids come come through that, kids that were on 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:48.440 the wrong track, kids that were getting in the fights, 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.080 kids that were creating crime. And they'd come in there 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.120 and they'd be taught to fight and then they'd stop fighting. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.160 And people can't work that out. But because they don't 0:11:57.200 --> 0:11:59.720 have to prove themselves, because we're all scared in a way, 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:01.760 sometimes we end up in the fight because you're scared. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:06.320 Yeah, nearly all the times made all the all the 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.000 A lot a lot of these hard asses that I've 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.240 known in the past and stuff like that who was 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.360 sort of proceeded the people that you don't want to 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.199 mess with, mane A lot of them, A lot of 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:18.959 that stuff comes from fear. And you know, even even 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:21.800 this this mentor that took me through my process when 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:25.120 I first met him, you know, uh, you know, he 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:26.800 was trying to get a reaction out of me, you know. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.679 And and he said to me, he said, man, I'm 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.400 just waiting for you to stop being full of ship. 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.120 What do you mean full of ship? He said, Man, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:36.160 you got a shaved head, You're full of tattoos, you're 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.600 full of steroids, You're full of fear, and you're full 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:42.840 of ship. You know. I was like, fucking what. So 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:46.920 I got reactive because back then, like you know, back then, 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.760 because I was fearful, thought fucking out there you see 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.840 through me, Yeah, because you saw me. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.200 I got reactors going. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:57.760 Mate, you're triggered like that because you know, you know 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.880 I'm right, you know. And he took me through this price. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.440 He took me back to all these times when I 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.880 was really fearful. I put up all this bravados and 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:05.360 stuff like that. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:05.559 You know. 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.120 I mean, I I've plenty of times in my life 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:09.920 where I actually thought I was going to meet death. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.080 Like I remember this one time I went to seven. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:13.760 You know, I was with a bunch of people just 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:15.600 did a breaking in her, and like I was like 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.800 fourteen or something. I went to seven eleven to get. 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.720 A sausage roll sloopy, you know. 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.600 I come back and maybe they had this fucking shitty 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.440 little fucking like you know, watches that you used to 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:26.360 go in your suit. 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.680 Like the old people watch watch and the god I went. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.040 With mate he ended up backing it here and I 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.240 fucking wanting to steal it. You know, I don't know 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.280 if it would have been worth much of her anyway, 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.400 everyone else in the room I saw it missing, you know, 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.319 and I was the only one that left the apartment 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.720 that just sucking all the scene. It was me and 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.920 may like you know, these guys, like I said before, 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:49.079 they're desperate. Now I'm the young teenager, I'm the most vulnerable. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.640 May you know that that time I thought, mane fuck, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.000 I'm deady and they turn on me, like they fucking 0:13:54.000 --> 0:13:56.200 really turned on me, and I thought I'm not going 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.800 to make was on this guy's pulled it out of 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.240 his I was, yeah, you know, they fucking saved me. 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.600 But in that time I thought, fucking you know, I 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.680 was dead. And the other times too, when I was 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.320 at the gap week I walked down to the public 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.040 bathroom downstairs, and you know, there's a guy who stabbed someone. 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.360 And they both looked at me, and one of the 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:15.439 bloat that stabbed them looked at me, is like, you 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.480 better not fucking saying it. Yeah, and the guy on 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.280 the ground going, man, you need to help me. They 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.800 both they both looked at me in this fucking desperate way, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.120 and mate, I was just fucking I thought, fuck, I'm 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:28.960 I'm fucking dead. They've had all these fucking like yeah, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.280 scenario is like that, and he and he took this 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.960 this this mentor took me through all these places and 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:36.560 made all these times that you've been fearful, like you've 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:38.840 had to start the armor up. You know, you don't. 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.840 You didn't do this on purpose all of a sudden. 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:43.640 Now you're the professional boxer that's putting steroids in the 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.040 going and fucking wait them, trying to make himself out 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.560 to be this fucking person. But it's all come from fear. 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.720 It's all come from you've been so fearful and so 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.400 many times that you've had to sort of show something 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:55.560 into the world, you know. 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:56.560 And that that would have hurt. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.480 When he first pointed out to you, and that's why 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.040 why you arek up. But then when you can take 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.920 a step back and go, okay, you've got me there. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.480 Yeah, But that's how we built the relationship with me 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:09.920 because because he knew here his small windows because I 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.120 was so shut off to fucking doing his self help 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.120 or whatever, but he knew he had to reach me, 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.160 you know. And then that's the way he reached me. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.680 I was like, fuck, yeah, you saw me. Yeah, I 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:19.920 just knew. I was like, I've got to. 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.840 Work with you. I don't know, I don't know why. 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.480 I don't know why because you've been pretty fucking rude 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:24.840 to now. 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.000 But like, credit to him, but credit to you also, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.240 because you could have said, oh, that's not the right fit. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.600 I don't want to hear your bullshit. Yeah, and stay 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:34.280 in your own bulls. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.240 And that's that's the option I have. So I can 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.920 continue living on with all my ego, all my bullshit 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.680 bravados and stuff. I can continue on like that and 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:46.440 still be that fucking insecure, fearful man and like, you know, 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.920 fucking punch on if someone ever threatened my fucking you know, 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.000 authentic self. You know, Oh, I can just take a 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:56.440 really honest look at myself and just like, you know, okay, 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.320 I don't want to be that person. And so when yeah, 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.640 like I just where you know, like a housemaid and 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:05.080 old roommate and a good mate in my training partner. 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.320 You know, like you know, he lost his shit at me. 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.400 You know, you've seen you wanted to knock my fucking 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.320 head off, and I saw me in him fucking you know, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:14.320 at the end of the day, he's scared, he's any stuff, 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.200 you know, and not one part of me wanted to 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.480 hit him or hurt him. Man, you know, you know, 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:22.560 it's like you know, I'll see what's behind it. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.800 It's a journey, like I like to think that I 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.520 become a better person as I progress through life and 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.080 learn from the lessons, learn more about yourself. And yeah, 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.760 and it's clearly you're you're someone. 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:35.360 That's absorbed it. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.640 And we'll get onto what you're doing with the rehab. 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.680 But before we do, at what point you said you're 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:43.680 cleaned four years? 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.800 Yeah, for just four years two months? Okay? 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.080 And was it a mindset or was it a gradual process? 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:51.880 Did you you just it's. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.360 A mindset now, it's definitely a mindset. Now, so I've 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.920 I've turned this into like a process. I've turned my 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.640 life style into a process. You know. So, like I 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.440 wake up in the mornings and I've got a way 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:04.439 of living that I do every single day. And if 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:07.359 I do that, then I won't use you know. So, 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:11.760 But at the start, it just became this this this 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.080 desperate need to fucking learn how to live, you know, 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.760 because I had no idea, like, you know, I you know, 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.159 my role models weren't good role models on how to 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.919 live with like a you know, a good emotional imbalanced 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.440 life and stuff like that. You know, so I looked, 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.800 you know, when I got clean this time, you know, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.600 like I looked to mentors, and I did a lot 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:33.919 of like you know, like retreats, like you know, a 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:35.960 lot of a lot of men's groups and stuff like that. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:37.880 Lot you know who he taught me how to bear 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.200 a father, taught me how to be a proper man, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.560 what a proper man is, and you know, how to 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.800 communicate properly, like you know, what my needs were, what 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.240 my values were, how to sort of like put boundaries 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.159 up head just real what what for a lot of 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:55.680 people would probably basic you know, stuff like if you're 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.440 not if you're not raised that way or taught that way, 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.080 like when that stuff's complex, you know. And so because 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:03.920 I went on my own journey to sort of find 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.720 that stuff out and stuff like that, you know, and 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.639 then that became my passion. So well mate, like if 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.840 I had to do this fucking work to find that 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.680 out because it wasn't role model for me at home, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.800 Like I want to be able to give that to 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.439 the other people that also liked me, didn't have that 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:19.320 stuff role model. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:25.640 So you you inche or created hope and health. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.320 and and what you've just talked there that was emotive 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.800 for it. You wanted to yeah, help people. 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.880 Well, I mean look, I had the initial vision of it, 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:38.720 and then my youngest son's best friend, you know, his father, 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.560 like you know, he does business startups and brand development 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.560 and stuff like that, you know, for some big companies, 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:46.480 you know. And I was just talking to him in 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.040 the street, you know. And yeah, so I was I 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:51.960 was already in the process of starting his business up 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:56.119 and and and he helped me, you know, steer it 0:18:56.200 --> 0:19:00.240 into what it is now and and through that pros 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:04.679 you know, like when when I started talking about my 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.960 vision of like you know, recovery rehab and stuff like that, 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:11.760 made it made the ears prick of other people in 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.320 the industry that also knew they were working in the 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.160 industry but also knew deep down that's that's the way 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:22.040 to do it. Well, that's a really yeah, good, interesting 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.640 way to do it, and attracted these people that left 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:26.760 really secure jobs to come and work with us to 0:19:26.800 --> 0:19:30.280 sort of bring this this vision into into light, you know, 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.639 and so now and they've had the little influences and 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:35.879 stuff like. So my initial vision was, well, you know, 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:37.960 I feel like it was good and still there, but 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.120 it's now like something incredible. 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.720 How we describe your initial vision. 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.000 Uh was? My initial vision was just to sort of 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:49.680 like you know, become more sort of like health conscious 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.560 in rehab, you know, so instead of like going to 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.239 rehab and just you know, having vending machines around and 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.520 you know, and smoking shelters where people just you know, 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.240 get cafe into the fucking eyeballs and and you know 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.639 smoke cigarettes at the back and eat shit out of 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.640 vending machines and stuff like that, you know, popping prescription 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.760 pills for diagnoses they may not have, you know, like 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.240 you know, I thought, well, let's let's you. 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:15.720 Know, before we sort of like, you know, go through 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:16.200 that measure. 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.040 Let's take the let's take all the junk food aways, 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:20.960 get a meeting, good food, Let's get a meeting and 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.840 get them into training, get him in good physical shape 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.359 and stuff like that too, and you know, let's look 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:30.159 at the lost of factors before we start to diagnose 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:31.600 them and stuff like that. You know, because a lot 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.920 of a lot of the symptoms, you know, a lot 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.320 of the symptoms that people are getting diagnosed with diagnoses 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.200 with are often the same symptoms you know, that people 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.879 will experience when they're not when they're not training, or 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:46.120 they're eating ship food, or they've been drinking too much 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:46.719 and stuff like that. 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:46.960 You know. 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.920 So I definitely feel like there's a time and place 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.520 of pharmaceutical for pharmaceutical intervention. But I do think it's 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.119 there's a lot of people getting diagnosed with things they 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.240 don't have because they're not willing to sort of look 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:02.040 at themselves for you know, they're they're they're in a 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:06.119 ship situation alive, and they want someone else to diagnose them. 0:21:06.160 --> 0:21:07.800 So they're going to have a pill an easy way 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:12.920 out rather than fucking fixing up their life and and 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:17.080 and eating better, getting up, training, sleeping earlier, and you know, 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.119 doing doing the stuff that they need to do. So 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.720 that that was that was my vision now but now 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:22.800 it's something way bigger to know. 0:21:22.920 --> 0:21:28.080 Well, it's the rehab program that you've got. I just 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:33.560 read out how how it's described. Uh, No, rehababilitation program 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.800 is complete without an integrated care of your physical, mental, 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:40.720 and emotional needs. At Hope Health, therapeutic treatment occurs within 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:45.080 a holistic framework, encompassing all aspects of your recovery needs. 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:49.480 This rehabilitative approach is grounded in real world experience game 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:52.600 from supporting a wide range of clients to achieve tangible 0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:58.080 and sustainable recoveries. Our evidence based support structures tested and 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.679 refined over time, resulting transform lives and ongoing sobrietry. So 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.280 that's your Yeah, the way that the business is described. 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:10.480 But I bring up a couple of points there. It's 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.960 a holistic approach to it. Yeah, and you've touched on 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.640 the health and I hadn't really well when I say 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:18.720 I hadn't really thought about it, You've bought the point 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.840 home that Okay, you've got an addiction. Your lifestyle shipped 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.239 because of the addiction which comes first, not sure. But 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.119 if you start to have a healthy lifestyle, what you 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:31.760 do a bit of training the difference that that can 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:34.320 make and fix that aspect of your life as well 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.200 as getting you off the off the drugs. 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.240 Honestly, for a lot of people, it's honestly that simple. Honestly, 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.760 and for a lot of people who work with like 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.080 you know, once they get an experience of what life's like, 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:48.560 you know, change those last style factors, then they they're 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:49.800 not just enjoying life so much. 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:51.960 I don't go back to their vices. 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:57.000 What we do is we we look at the individual 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.760 when they when they when they make contact with this 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:05.520 is help. And so instead of we don't do this 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:10.119 one program that everyone that you know inquires comes in, 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:14.600 do we look at what the individual has done prior, 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.600 you know, what sort of treatment are done prior what 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:19.960 you know, things that may have worked, that haven't worked, 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.359 and stuff like that, and we you know, and we 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:25.280 look at you know, what their sort of goals are 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:27.320 and stuff like that, and like you know, what what 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.640 what what they what they may need, what may work 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:32.919 well for them, things I want to try and stuff 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:34.600 like that, and we and we empower them to sort 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.320 of make their own decisions and what what recovery will 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:40.280 look like for them as long as it balances out, 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.000 you know, their emotional, physical, and spiritual needs. We give 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.760 them modalities to try and you know, to test run 0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.040 while they're with us and stuff like that, and then 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:50.080 we've got case work. 0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:52.840 Is that sort of review these these these. 0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:57.040 Treatment plans that they're clinical team like doctors, psychologists. 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.400 And you've got you've got all that this, Yeah, we've 0:23:59.400 --> 0:23:59.880 got all that. 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:04.359 Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, we employed doctors, psychologists and psychotherapist stuff. 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:06.760 They come up with these treatment plans and stuff like that, 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.480 and as they get reviewed, they make sure the client 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.560 actually enjoys doing it, and they also make sure that 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.399 client's getting results from it, you know. So like if 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.960 you look at you know, people like myself, I've done 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:24.040 plenty of rehab before, and I would be going to 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.800 rooms just just for context. I got kicked out the 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.680 buttery after five and a half months because they thought 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:32.720 I was doing no work, you know, because they thought, 0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:35.560 you know, I'm not being vulnerable, I'm not talking about 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:39.119 my stuff. But I came from my world where you know, 0:24:39.480 --> 0:24:42.439 like you don't fucking talk about anything, you know, Like 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.600 I barely even spoke. People used to call me Mumbles 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:49.800 because all my conversations were under my breath, like because 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:51.719 you do then environment that I was in, you know, 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:55.000 and and I hadn't smiled in such a long time, 0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:58.199 you know, that my facial muscles went all limp, like 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.879 I didn't trust new one, and so like you know, 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:04.679 you couldn't put me with a therapist, and a therapist 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:08.080 couldn't get through to me, you know. But for people 0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.639 like me, when I found breath work, I found meditation, 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:14.760 I found acupunctual people stuck needles in it, you know, 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:18.120 I dry needling in me, opened up all my meridian systems, 0:25:18.280 --> 0:25:21.560 unlocked all these like you know, all these like trapped 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.040 energies and trapped traumas and stuff like that my body, 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:27.000 you know, so like I healed through somatic healing, you know, 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:31.240 through my body, rather than you know, psychological healing through 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:34.320 like you know, talking out with you know, therapists and 0:25:34.359 --> 0:25:37.080 stuff like that. You know, like I can do that now, 0:25:37.600 --> 0:25:40.399 like now these conversations I'm having with you now, like 0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:43.080 I can do that now as a result of healing 0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:46.040 through my body, you know, through through somatic work, you know, 0:25:46.240 --> 0:25:48.880 so instead of having one program. We go, mate, everyone's 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:50.480 going to get this topic. We're going to get someone 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.520 in to talk to you about triggers and family. And 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.200 if you can sort of like you know, be vulnerable 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:59.359 enough and absorb information like that enough and like apply 0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.240 that information into your life, great, you know. But if 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:05.320 you can't and you and you won't, then then you 0:26:05.440 --> 0:26:07.640 then you're fucked. You know. You leave rehab, you'll get 0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:09.679 your clean time, but you're leaving your fucked you know. 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:11.800 And so we want to make sure that no one 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:14.199 suit of cracks. It's like the education system. You know, 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.040 school will teach one way, and if you can't learn 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:19.280 that way, you're fucked, you know, like you know, a 0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.480 good teacher will teach the student the way they learn. 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:24.880 You know. We want to make sure that we help 0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:27.959 people recover the way that they will heal, you know. 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:30.680 And so it makes sense the way the way you're 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:34.960 explaining it, and that trying. It's not a one stop 0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:38.160 program fits all. You've got to cater for the individual. 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:43.360 But you're talking breath work and meditation and all that 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:45.800 that helps create a balance life, doesn't it. 0:26:45.840 --> 0:26:46.119 Mate? 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:46.560 For sure? 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.320 For sure, I may not look look at with their 0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.639 with their with their head shaves and tatoos and stuff 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:57.040 like that, but made that that spiritual, spiritual practice is made. 0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:01.919 It's that was for me, That was my That was 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:03.399 what got me clean. You know. 0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:06.960 It was like, you know, it was how I actually 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.800 understood what was going on for me, is like to 0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:12.400 how I could actually sit in that silence and not 0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:15.520 get fucking completely tortured by it. I kept on going 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:17.520 back there, even though I was so uncomfortable for me 0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:20.040 to sit and sit in silence. I kept on going 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.719 back because stuff was getting revealed to me by doing it. 0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:26.040 You know, the discomfort I was feeling from just going 0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:29.840 somewhere fucking quiet without distractions was where all these answers were. 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:30.800 Coming to me, you know. 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.560 And and you know, look, I believe, I believe meditation 0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:37.520 is for everyone. I believe we're actually I feel like 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:40.320 we're all meant to be doing some sort of self inquiry. 0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.480 Well, it's starting to become more acceptable. I've been doing 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:46.720 it for thirty years. And when I first started doing it, 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:50.120 what's this weirdo cop doing this meditation? And what you've 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.560 just said, And I think this is a good message 0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:56.760 for people that haven't meditated, that it is so confronting 0:27:56.840 --> 0:28:00.399 to sit down and meditate. Like if I was stressed work, 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:02.680 I'm thinking I just want to go for a run 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.920 because I just run or box or do something. Because 0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.119 then I'd not kept in my thoughts. It took more 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:14.399 strength and effort to sit down and meditate and just 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:17.399 slow your mind down and just process everything. And it 0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.640 was so confronting sometimes, and people think, and I try 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.199 to explain that in my very I'm no expert by 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:29.000 any means, but it's like saying I'm going to run 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:32.280 a marathon without training. You can't just go, I'm going 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:35.160 to meditate without putting the effort in. So you would 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.119 have to sit down and you would have to allow 0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:39.640 yourself to sit in that quiet that sit in that space. 0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.400 But the benefits that I got, I don't do it 0:28:42.440 --> 0:28:44.720 every day now, but I have it there as a 0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:47.120 tool if I need to. If I'm stressed out about 0:28:47.160 --> 0:28:49.400 something or out of step with something, I can sit 0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:53.720 down and meditate. So I get what you're saying, because otherwise, 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:57.600 if you're just treating the physical addiction, the chances are 0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.720 you could fall fall back into it. You've got to 0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:01.120 off something else. 0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:04.000 Not just the chances like the reality is you probably will, 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:07.320 you know, because it's you know, everything is caused and effect. 0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.479 So when you when you're not traveling, well you know, 0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:12.560 and then you you know, you you block it with 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.080 a substance, and a substance you know, it gets you 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.920 high and like you know, and then you have affairs 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.920 or you go to gamble or you you know, or 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.400 cost your money. You put yourself in financial troubles and 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:26.880 it costs your business stuff, your fucking business relationships. All that, 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:29.440 all the business stuff and the family stuff and all 0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:33.160 the relationship stuff, the problems. That's all the fucking symptoms 0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:35.520 of the cause, which is us, you know. 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:36.800 And so what we do is. 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:41.120 Instead of managing the drug or the type of substance 0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.320 that it is and like how often they use it, 0:29:43.480 --> 0:29:46.640 like you know, in whatever way, it's like maybe we 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:49.200 don't even look at that stuff so much. It's so 0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:51.680 you know, we go, well, why do you need to 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:52.600 have a substance? 0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:54.000 So what what what is it? 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.400 What is it in you that you know that that 0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.400 you need to like you know, block out, like you know, 0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.320 and what is you need to struct from? 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:05.800 So you're treating the cause, but why they're why they're 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:06.600 using the drug. 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:08.720 Yeah, we're treating the person. The person is the cause. 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.160 And when people come in, you know, like, we don't 0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.200 do fucking you know, we don't well, we don't just it. 0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:17.280 We do do psychotherapy, sessions, groups and stuff like that. 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.200 It's important, but that's not all we do. Like that, 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:24.840 that's that's that's dealing with the effects of like us, 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:28.440 you know, but we actually go to heal the person 0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.560 in there too. Everything that we experience on the outside, 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.560 well is just a direct reflection of what's happening for 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.200 us internally. So instead of trying to fucking work everything 0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:38.360 out on the outside, like you know, if we want to, 0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:40.880 we want a better life on the outside, we're just 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.800 going to create a better internal world for us inside. 0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:44.120 You know. 0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.200 Okay, how many people have you got working? It's been 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:49.320 up and running now for what three four years? 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:51.440 Yeah, I think we've got about thirty eight staff, I think. 0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:51.760 Yeah. 0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:54.960 And what do they include? You've got medical, Yeah. 0:30:54.840 --> 0:31:01.680 We've got We've got doctors, nurses, psychologists, psychotherapists, carriers, chefs, 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:07.320 you know, cleaners, yoga instructors, breath work constructors, case. 0:31:07.160 --> 0:31:11.320 Managers and how many people do you have coming through? 0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:15.000 So we've got we've got two venues now we've got 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.840 one that were just open. So we've got one in Podsville, 0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:19.880 which is northern New South Wales. Let's got a capacity 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.360 of five, and then we've got a capacity of nine 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.800 up on gold Case. Okay, yeah, So we do ours 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.960 quite intimate a couple of reasons. A because you know, 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:33.240 we want to make sure that people don't feel a 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:35.800 crossophobic in there. You know, that people got a bit 0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:37.760 of space where they're living and stuff like that and 0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:40.560 not stepping on each other's toes and stuff. But also 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.600 like you know, when people are working with the real 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:46.480 deep rooted trauma, which is what we really want to 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:49.080 focus on. So when I said what we healed the person, 0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:52.760 you know, we go we go into their staff, you know, 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:55.440 into the you know what's actually what's actually causing that 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.600 real fucking you know, the discord in them, the real 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.400 disturbance in them. You know, once you start to uncover that, 0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:06.280 you know, unless they feel comfortable to bring that out, 0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.600 they won't, you know. And so it has to be 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.320 like a quite safe intimate environment and stuff like that. 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:15.320 So which means not too many people and also the 0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.960 people that we do bring in they're there for the 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.320 right reasons, you know, So when we do our phone 0:32:20.320 --> 0:32:23.680 assessments and stuff that there's people getting pushed into go 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.040 by their wives or their partners and stuff, we don't 0:32:27.120 --> 0:32:29.080 we don't let them come in. You know, we're telling 0:32:29.080 --> 0:32:32.760 they're welcome, they come in when they're ready, but we 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.520 won't take them in unless they're and unless they're open, 0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:38.080 willing and ready to do the work that's that's in there. 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:40.640 Then it becomes not you know, it becomes not safe 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:42.880 for the people that are already in there doing the work. 0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:45.400 So it's got to be like a and we've got 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:47.080 we've got to take ownership of that, you know. 0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.400 That's to get the right people in, the right pa, 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:51.400 the right people in. Yeah, we're going to make sure. 0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:53.840 That because I would imagine in that environment, if you 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.520 brought the wrong person in, he or she could corrupt 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:57.800 the other other people. 0:32:58.000 --> 0:32:59.959 Yeah, for sure, which is a big, a big probable 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:01.520 I was saying about too, because we're working with a 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.000 lot of first responders too, you know, you know, we 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.600 work with copies. The coppers can't share the same space 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:08.560 as like a fucking cream because neither of them will 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:10.239 feel comfortable, you know, what I mean, neither of them 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:13.160 feel comfortable opening up about what they've what they've experienced. 0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:15.680 You know, if they pushed themselves to that, they realize 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.040 they're both the same, They're they're both the same on 0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:18.760 different speces. 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.960 Well, what what what I've learned since I've I've left 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:23.960 the cops and sitting down talking to all sorts of 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.880 people here, we're not that not that different. 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.480 It's just like that's definitely my that's definitely been my 0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:33.560 experience since doing this work too. But just to give 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:35.360 you know, like you know, when people got a short 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:37.920 period of time to do this sort of work, you know, 0:33:38.320 --> 0:33:40.479 it just it just makes sense not to mix them 0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:40.960 into the same. 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.640 And so do you get I think I read on 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.560 your website you get military people coming through is it 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.320 post traumatic stress and addiction coming from that. 0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:55.000 Or well generally, I mean generally generally drug and alcohol 0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.640 they're not the problem. They're they're they're the solution to 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:00.680 the problem often, you know, you know what I mean. 0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:01.760 So people have used. 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:06.040 Them as a solution to whatever, you know, whatever, you know, 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.160 what what whatever they've gone through throughout the life, whatever 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:13.760 has affected them through life. You know, it later becomes 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:17.160 a problem because they use it dysfunctionally and stuff like that, 0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.239 you know, but then they believe, you know, that that's 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:22.479 the problem, you know, Like I did too, like because 0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.520 when when I went to rehab the first few times, 0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:25.879 you know, I thought it was you know, I thought 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:26.760 I had a drug problem. 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:28.880 What I really had is a life living problem. 0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:29.080 You know. 0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.759 That's that's I think that's a valuable point to make 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:35.480 that when you break it down that simply because I'm thinking, 0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:38.880 you get the rehab because you're a heroin addict, but 0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.680 now you go in the rehab because you've got all 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.280 these issues within in your own life, and the heroines 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:45.799 the end of it. 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:48.520 And that's that's the difference between our programming, that cause 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.640 and effect program. We love the cause, like the heroines 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:55.560 under the effect. That's that's a that's a byproduct of 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:58.760 the fucking cause, the traumas that's in the person. 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:02.239 You know, Like, but what healthy person is. 0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:04.200 Going to just go sticking needles in his arm random, 0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:07.160 no one, you know, Like, there's something in that person 0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:13.520 that is so fucking in a in so much fucking pain, despair, 0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.840 and you know that they need an outlet like like 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:21.200 that they're willing to risk their life for every shot 0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:23.640 just to not feel the way they're feeling. Like, man, like, 0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:26.680 you can't you can't take that stuff lightly, you know 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:28.239 what I mean. You can't just go, oh, he's just 0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:30.320 gotta got a heroin problem and we'll put him on 0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:35.839 some methadone. Like, no, he's got a fucking he's got 0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:39.040 a life living problem. And there's part of me feels 0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.640 so disconnected from this world and who he is and 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:45.080 stuff like that. Let's try to fucking instead of masking 0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:49.560 it with like, you know, another drug, which is only 0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:53.240 going to further suppress what he's actually trying to fucking 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.759 you know, we're trying to come up, you know, let's 0:35:56.920 --> 0:36:00.239 let's actually let's hear him, you know, and part of 0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:04.239 the individual treatment plans so people actually get hurt. Let's 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:08.160 listen to the individual client, you know, and what what 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.600 they actually need from us, and let's help them get 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:15.160 those results. You know, Otherwise you just you don't get heard, 0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:16.799 you know, you just come in. It's like this is 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.640 our program, Come do this. I hope it works for you. 0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:22.280 Now that you've been running for a couple of years, 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:26.879 you've had a success and people that you look back 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:29.640 and your employees with the results that the programs getting. 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:33.640 Yeah, absolutely absolutely, we're collecting data as well. So well, 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:37.040 at some point, at some point, you know, we're gonna 0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:39.160 you know, we're going to challenge the system a little bit, 0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.160 you know what we already are, but like you know, 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:44.080 but you know, we want to We want to show 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:47.000 people that, you know, this isn't an ego thing at all, 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:48.680 you know, this is just like we just want to 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:52.840 make sure that the other people know that there is 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.799 another option, you know, So if other people, particularly the 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:57.520 ones I love to work with that are the ones 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:00.160 that have been through a lot of rehab before and 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.320 through the cracks, you know, And I just want to 0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:05.080 make sure that that people know. 0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:06.400 It's like mane, We're not. 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:10.319 Necessarily everyone's best option, but we're a option that's out 0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.359 there for people that have tried other ones, you know. 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.239 And so like you know, when people are you know, 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:20.279 fucking they're in despair. Families are in despare because they 0:37:20.280 --> 0:37:21.400 feel like they tried everything. 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:25.320 It's well, try us, And is there a government support? 0:37:25.480 --> 0:37:26.520 Is the government funding? 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:29.200 Has it not yet? Look, I hope to get there. 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.200 There isn't There isn't yet. I mean look there, you know, 0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:34.880 there's the private and public sector and stuff like that. 0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.879 You know, so like you know, when when you when 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.440 you go private, you've got the flexibility to do what 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:42.680 you want, what you feel, and that's what we're doing now. 0:37:42.760 --> 0:37:44.920 But like I said before, we're measuring up. So we're 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:47.239 collecting data and stuff and like that, and we will 0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.400 not eventually, like you know, be able to present that too, 0:37:49.920 --> 0:37:51.719 you know, to the governments and stuff like that, go well, 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:53.799 look this is these are our results. Yeah. 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:57.200 Well, when you get all that data and the results base, 0:37:57.280 --> 0:38:01.480 but how are you finding it personally? It's a business, 0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:02.840 it's obviously a passion. 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.120 It's a business, but it's a calling. It's more than 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:09.319 a businessman, you know. It's like I've run a lot, 0:38:10.760 --> 0:38:13.600 I've started, run and sold quite a few businesses over 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.760 my time, and they've all seemed like worked to a degree, 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:21.040 you know, like this is this is a calling out bounds, 0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:23.560 out of bed. It's cost me a couple of relationships, 0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:26.839 and I know that right now. It's I'm obsessed with it, 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:30.040 like I was. I've got time for nothing else, man, 0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.920 and I love doing what I'm doing, you know, because 0:38:34.200 --> 0:38:37.120 I honestly feel like I'm doing something really fucking special 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.200 in this space. I'm not saying that as an ego thing. 0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:41.920 Man Like, I don't, I don't need recognition for it. 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:46.600 I feel like we're really revolutionizing this industry, not because 0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:50.080 we're doing anything fucking that. We came up with everything 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:53.200 that I'm doing in this rehab space. This information is 0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:56.000 already out, that is already it's already proven that this 0:38:56.040 --> 0:38:58.320 stuff works right. But to actually get into a business 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.720 model is quite tricky because when you're doing individualized treatment plans, 0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:03.880 and when you've got a capacity of like you know, 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.480 fourteen fourteen people in total, and they're all doing their 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:11.359 own program, and you've got cares and employees, like you know, 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.120 in case managers take clients to all these different appointments 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.240 because they're not all just getting shipped on one minibus 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:19.120 to one area. You know. Yeah, it's not all you know, 0:39:19.840 --> 0:39:22.279 thirty people doing yoga. You might have wanted to doing 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.560 yoga while the other's getting macupuncture, you know, but we're 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:29.520 giving the individuals what they actually need. So operationally, logistically, 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:33.080 it's it's it's a it's a trickier business. It's certainly 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:36.879 a far more expensive business to run, and where we're 0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.920 at the cheaper end of private re still expensive. Fortunate 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.440 when when you when you're employing doctors and nurses and 0:39:43.480 --> 0:39:47.160 psycho therapists and psychologists, made the overheads go through the roofs. 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:49.040 So we're conscious of that. So we make it as 0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:50.880 cheap as possible to open up the market to as 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.880 many people as you can while also keeping the business 0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:55.280 to float. 0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.360 You know, how how long is someone in the program? 0:39:58.400 --> 0:39:59.080 For general? 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:02.680 It depends man generally, anywhere between a month and three 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:05.279 months is generally what we get. But the old people 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:07.839 stay longer. But we don't take anyone less than a month. Now, 0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.000 you know, like seeing a lot of a lot of 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:14.880 probably rehabs do people a week or two, we just 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.680 stopped offering that, you know, we we we we did 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.480 a couple of people for two weeks, and we stopped 0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:21.840 doing that because I just think. 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:23.200 You think you need a little bit more. 0:40:24.040 --> 0:40:25.640 It just seems like a bit of a money grab 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.759 thing for me now, like I feel like it's going 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:29.920 to tarnish my brand if I do that, like it 0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:31.920 may it opens your market right up. And if you 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.200 if you don't get people for two weeks and sell 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:35.919 people on the idea that they're going to get clean 0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:38.160 and their whole lives could be fixed in two weeks. 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:42.399 You'll make a shipload of money, you know. But like, yeah, 0:40:42.400 --> 0:40:45.120 you're selling false streams. And when you when you when 0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:50.440 you're on the phone to these vulnerable people, their anxious families. 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:54.080 If if you can honestly you can honestly do that, yeah, 0:40:54.120 --> 0:41:00.000 good on you con advantage people like that. And even 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.319 the ones that we got in, they pressured me into that, 0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.280 you know. And and when when when I actually decided 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.600 to give it a go, you know, I made them 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:12.960 know really that I don't feel like it's a good idea. 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.680 I highly recommend the extend these days, they didn't, and 0:41:16.760 --> 0:41:18.920 we haven't had success with two weeks, you know, and 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:20.920 so like you know, I'd rather just not do it, 0:41:21.120 --> 0:41:24.240 rather just go maybe let someone else take the shitty data, 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:25.680 you know, Like you know, we want to. 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:26.759 Make sure that makes sense. 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.600 Yeah, we want to make sure that that people get 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.680 a they get they get an experience with us, you know, 0:41:32.960 --> 0:41:35.680 Like I feel like it takes at least four weeks 0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.759 to get that first bit of experience where where like 0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:43.680 the nutritious food and the exercise and the they're the mindful. 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:44.560 Technique and stuff that. 0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:47.600 Yeah, it takes, you know, like it takes about like, 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.800 you know, a month before the neural chemistry even starts 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:52.360 to take a bit of a shift and like you know, 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:55.800 sell sell your sistance that you know, replenish itself to 0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.160 sleep cycle start to sort of you know, like you know, 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:02.480 level themselves out. Takes about before you even realize, oh fuck, 0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.239 you know, maybe I'm maybe I haven't completely done a 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.640 number of myself. Maybe I can come back to something 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:09.840 fucking better, you know, like as we want to make 0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:12.359 sure everyone at least gets that experience, you know, it's 0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.000 what we call ourselves hope and health to like you know, 0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:16.600 I hope. We want to make sure that everyone gets 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:19.680 the experience of hope where they where they go. Okay, 0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:20.799 well you know. 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:23.000 Now I could do. 0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.440 Better, you know, And I love this. I love this 0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:27.719 experiment I did on hope. You know, whether they had 0:42:27.840 --> 0:42:30.520 rats and water, you know, where they swim for three 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:33.120 minutes and they all drowned, you know, and they put 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:35.520 more rats in water, and when they started to struggle, 0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:37.440 they took them out, they warmed them up, and then 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:39.000 they put them back in and I swim for like 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:45.200 twenty thirty minutes. Seriously, that was that was a real experiment. 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:47.640 And so so when we give people the experience of hope, 0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:51.439 you know, and they realized, fuck it, because I've gone 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:53.400 the rehabs when I already thought I was fucked. I 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.080 thought I was done. I already thought my mind was cooked. 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.760 I thought my fucking I thought my body was thrashy, 0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:00.480 you know, I thought I'll do were we had to 0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:03.160 get a couple of people off my back. And you know, 0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.640 when you had that experience, it's like, you know, all 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:07.920 of suddens, like you've eaten a meal that you've actually 0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.880 digested and then you've just automatically you just use all 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:12.640 of a sudden, just slept four hours, you know, all 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:15.200 of a sudden, like maybe not in severe body aches 0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.800 and pains and you know, the cold sweats are stopped 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.399 and like you know, and you're like, you know, yeah, 0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:24.440 your nervous and started to regulate, you know, and you're like, oh, fuck, 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:29.040 you know this is what Yeah, it's actually maybe I 0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.319 can make it, you know, maybe can make it, you know, 0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:34.400 and just that the energy and the power of that hope, 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.120 you know, it can catapult you. You know, like I said, 0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:39.160 if you can make rat swim another twenty five minutes, 0:43:39.200 --> 0:43:41.480 imagine I can do a fucking human makes sense, Like, 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:41.839 you know. 0:43:41.880 --> 0:43:45.440 What, what about your yourself, Nick, Like what structures have 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.640 you got in place? Because there's always hurdles around the corner, 0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:53.359 all different things. But I read that you get up 0:43:53.360 --> 0:43:54.560 at one thirty. 0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.080 In the morning, Yeah, thirty every morning, Yeah, and do your. 0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.399 Training and talk us through that, because I think there's 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:02.280 a lot to be said for early rises. 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:03.279 Yeah for sure. 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:07.359 So Like the reason I start getting up at one 0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:09.720 thirty is because my mentor taught me how to meditate. 0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:11.640 He said to me, if you get up between one 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.000 thirty and three, it's the quietest time. It's when they 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:18.680 when they're there, when they're conflicting, disturbance of energies of 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.600 people and all that piece, because they're all asleep, you know. 0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:24.840 So if you can medical everything catches rhythms, you know, 0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:28.239 like when women hang around together, the cycle together and 0:44:28.280 --> 0:44:30.520 stuff like you know, if I yawn, you catch my 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.319 yawn and stuff that, you know, So rhythms catch each other, 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.759 you know. And and when you meditate between one and three, 0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:39.600 like you meditate into the most pure rhythm you know, 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:41.279 and so like you know, you know, you're going to 0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.560 be the most grounded throughout your day if you get 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.000 up at that time, you know, and meditate that time. 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.960 Because I got so used to meditating at that time. 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:51.000 I was already up at that time, so I thought 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:52.759 I'd just start kicking on my day then, you know, 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:56.040 so I do my training, I do my walking, and 0:44:56.040 --> 0:44:59.200 and there's no disturbance. Man, there's no disturbance. And because 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:00.719 like you know, just I had to sort of switch 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:02.719 on a little bit spiritually as well, you know, like 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:05.360 it just affected everything else I was doing so well, 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:06.920 you know, so like you know, when I'm at the 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:08.440 gym and I get on my phone, I don't do 0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:11.680 anything else, Like you know, when I'm between one thirty 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.719 and seven am, hardly anyone's around, and it's just I've 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:17.080 just got that time with just myself, you know, so 0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:19.640 like I get really I'm really clear on who I 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.040 am today because I spent so much time on my own, 0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:24.400 you know. Like you know, like I said, I've just 0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.200 gone through a relationship breakup with like the you know, 0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:32.480 with the girl of my dreams, Like I've fucking adore her, 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:36.120 you know, but I'm also completely okay with my own now, 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.279 you know, Like, yeah, I miss her, but like I'm 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.719 so okay in my own space that like I don't 0:45:41.760 --> 0:45:46.040 fucking have to, like you know, run back to something. 0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:47.640 I know it's not going to assume me because of that, 0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:50.239 you know, because I've spent all this time my own now, 0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:53.879 like you know, being so okay in you know, And. 0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.800 What do you put that down to the structure and 0:45:56.840 --> 0:46:01.160 the processes you having a lot of times, you know, 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:05.759 people are defined by their relationships or whatever, and you know, 0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.960 if there's a breakup, people people feel destroyed. 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:09.680 What are you. 0:46:09.680 --> 0:46:13.279 Saying that, Yeah, because you've talked about the lady and 0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.800 you loved it and then it's over for whatever reason. 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.319 But you're you're fine with what you're Yeah. 0:46:19.480 --> 0:46:22.240 Oh, I mean I'm still processing. 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.240 I'm still grieving and still still but I'm fine because 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:28.240 like I know, I know that I've got a process 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:31.040 in my life that if I follow this process, I 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:35.080 wake up, I do my breath work, I do my visualization, 0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.520 I do my light therapy. I'll put these intentions into 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:41.239 a light and absorb that in my cell systems and. 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:41.759 Stuff like that. 0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:45.280 I have my cold showers, I get up and meditate, 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:48.200 and I train, then I do my walking and stuff 0:46:48.239 --> 0:46:51.239 like that, you know, and then I eat my nutritious. 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:51.560 Food and stuff. 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.840 And you know, so if I got this process that 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:57.960 I live by, you know, and it doesn't matter what 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.239 happens in my life, I was going to make or 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:02.080 do this process, so it doesn't matter how I feel. 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:05.400 Because there's process driven people and there's emotional driven people. 0:47:05.520 --> 0:47:08.839 And so the emotional driven person will wake up and go, fuck, 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:10.720 I don't feel like doing that today, so I won't. 0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:13.000 The process driven people will wake up and go, this 0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:15.279 is what I do, This is how I live, and 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:17.480 so regardless of anything, this is what I'm going to do, 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:19.920 you know. And so when you've got a process, like 0:47:20.840 --> 0:47:23.560 life still happens, like life will still throw you all 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:27.759 sorts of curveballs, but like the process that you've developed 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.920 just makes it all manageable. You know, if your emotional 0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:33.120 driven person, like you could be going really fucking good, 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.399 you motivated at the gym, and everything's going really good, 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.040 you go through a breakup. All of a sudden, you're 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.680 in a fucking heartbreak, and you fucking throw your whole 0:47:39.719 --> 0:47:43.160 life out the window. So I'm experiencing heartbreak. I'm experiencing grief, 0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:45.480 but I'm also doing that, you know, while I'm doing 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:49.800 my process. So the process keeps me good, keeps me stable, 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:52.640 and so that's what I do. I try to I 0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:56.200 try to help people develop a process of their life, 0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.879 you know, where they realize what they actually want, who 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:00.799 they actually want to be, get really clear on who 0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:02.760 they want to be, and then I help them develop 0:48:02.840 --> 0:48:04.879 habits they get there. It takes all the guests work 0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:08.720 out of out out of achieving what they want in life. 0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:11.319 You know, because if you know, if you wake up 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:12.600 in the morning, go fuck, I hope I have a 0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.120 good day today. I hope some opportunities come to me today. 0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:18.279 It's like maybe you're you're fucking you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.440 you're hoping for a miracle. Whereas in like, if you've 0:48:20.480 --> 0:48:22.919 got habits in your life that will take you there, 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:25.080 and every day you're just doing the things that take 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:26.560 you there, you'll get there. 0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:30.000 Regardless I get where you're coming from. I'm an early 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:33.279 riser and I love I'm not one thirty, but at 0:48:33.320 --> 0:48:37.200 four o'clock most mornings, and regardless of what time I 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:40.040 get to bed of four o'clock get out, and I 0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:42.719 feel like I've cheated the world in that I've got 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:45.719 so much, so much done. I've done my training, I've 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:47.719 had a sauna, I've had a cold shower, I've even 0:48:47.760 --> 0:48:49.920 done some work, and I've had had a nice breakfast. 0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:52.000 And at seven o'clock on the rest of the world, 0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:54.239 the alarms are going off and people are getting up, 0:48:54.239 --> 0:48:56.879 and I feel like I've got an advantage over Yeah. 0:48:56.560 --> 0:48:58.680 Because I actually believe that you have. I believe you 0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.279 have cheated the world. I believe there's a there's an 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:05.480 there's an energy, and there's a level of productivity that 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.640 can be that like every every. 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:11.200 Minute like it quates like an hour, what you can get. 0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:14.040 Done in that time is supernatural, like you know, because 0:49:14.200 --> 0:49:16.719 there's just no disturbances, you know, you know when when 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:18.759 when you when you're sort of like if you're a 0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:20.920 nine to five guy, you wake up at nine and 0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:22.600 you finish at five. Mate. 0:49:22.680 --> 0:49:24.240 Yeah, Yeah, You've just got. 0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.640 So many disturbances and so much. 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:28.840 Like you know, frantic ship around you. 0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:32.000 It's hard to make like it's hard to make good 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.040 clear decisions, it's hard to be focused, it's hard to 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:38.360 sort of be regulated, so you know, you're reacting to 0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:40.720 a world rather than sort. 0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:42.960 Of you wake up to the chaos if you get 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:46.320 up later. I know what you're saying. And I feel 0:49:46.360 --> 0:49:49.000 like I got a little smile on my face every 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:52.319 time I'm walking out and past all the neighbors, all 0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:55.880 the apartment I'm in, and everyone's asleep, and I'm thinking, 0:49:56.040 --> 0:49:58.920 I'm rocking this already, I've done some work. I'm about 0:49:58.920 --> 0:49:59.960 the train beautiful. 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:01.600 And then and the other thing is that you will 0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.480 finish your day the way you start it. They're saying, 0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:06.400 like when the morning, when the night day or something? 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:09.360 You know, but you know that actually good, there's science 0:50:09.520 --> 0:50:11.799 behind it. Like you finished your day is the way 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:13.600 you start. So if you start your day with all 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.440 these winds stuck in, all these wins, man like you, 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.160 you you go to sleep feeling so accomplished. You know. 0:50:19.400 --> 0:50:22.480 I find it also nourishes you in that. Especially when 0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:24.520 I was in the cops, like I'd like the train 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:28.160 early in the morning, a job could come in and 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:30.399 that means I'm not going to be able to train, 0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:32.359 I'm going to be working through the night. But I 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:34.480 was happy, and a couple of people I worked with 0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:36.920 that I would train with we're happy if we got 0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:42.960 our training done and it didn't matter what happenediable because 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:45.560 we've done something. I felt like it was doing something 0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:51.440 something for yourself. Look, they're simple, what you've described, and 0:50:51.480 --> 0:50:53.160 when you when you break it down, it seems so 0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:56.279 simple in the way that you describe it. But it's 0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:58.120 something that we've forgotten in life, isn't it. 0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:01.440 Yeah, And that's just it. It's so simple. It's just 0:51:01.480 --> 0:51:04.520 not easy. Yeah, it's just like, you know, the actual 0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:08.239 formulae is so fucking simple. Like it's just like it's 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.560 understanding what you want, you know, creating a structure of 0:51:11.680 --> 0:51:14.879 process to get it, you know, and then the only 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.120 hard part is just committing yourself every day to do 0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:20.520 it in regardless of how you feel. You know, people's feelings, 0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:24.520 you know, are so fucking that they're controlling their lives, 0:51:24.560 --> 0:51:27.040 you know, and they're they're they're sabotage in their life 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:29.439 because of their feelings. I listen to their feelings rather 0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:32.839 than sort of like, you know, you know that they're 0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:35.480 getting suck into the instant gratification of a sleeping or 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:39.600 a cheap meal or like a fucking you know, or 0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:44.320 something quick, rather than sort of like you know, prolonging 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:48.440 their gratification to their fucking their goal, to the to 0:51:48.560 --> 0:51:51.440 the purpose the promises that are made to themselves. 0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:55.120 Yeah, well, look you're you're living, breathing proof that you 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:56.640 can turn your life around like that. 0:51:58.200 --> 0:51:59.160 The path that you're on. 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:02.520 And look at now when you're talking, I haven't interrupted 0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:05.880 much because I can see you're just the passion is 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:09.279 coming out and the excitement of what you're doing and 0:52:09.320 --> 0:52:12.439 what you're what you're achieving. Where do you You've got 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:16.399 plans future? Where do you where do you see yourself? Yeah? 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:19.440 I mean right now, like i'man you know, I'm a 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.919 full dial in mode with hope, with hope and health 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:26.200 and stuff like that too. I would like to get 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:28.919 myself to the stage where you know, I'll probably slow 0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:31.120 down a little bit more and stuff too, and then 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:34.440 I may be in that space I can actually have 0:52:34.480 --> 0:52:37.400 a proper relationship and sort of meet meet my partner's 0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:38.759 needs and stuff like that, and. 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:40.160 Like you know, and give them what that is. 0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:45.320 I share, share your pain my Like I've been passionate 0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:48.719 with my work and doing stuff and the relationships have 0:52:48.800 --> 0:52:52.560 been up and down and all that, so I know 0:52:52.600 --> 0:52:54.359 what you're saying. And when it's all said and done, 0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:57.440 when you've got everything your t tick tick, you're feeling 0:52:57.440 --> 0:52:59.799 good about yourself, that the next thing is is find 0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:02.279 your self someone that you're you're happy to spend time with. 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:03.680 Yeah, for sure, for sure. 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:05.920 And you know, like I don't believe that, you know, 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:07.960 you need to have it all all the time. You know, 0:53:08.000 --> 0:53:10.640 I believe there's times and places for things and and 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:14.000 right now, like you know, getting you know, getting this 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.759 vision where I want to get it to is just 0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:19.080 that's that's where, that's where I want to put my focus, 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:20.800 what I want to put my energy on and stuff 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:22.640 like that too. So I go, right now, I'm giving 0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:27.520 that time. But yeah, you know, long long term, long term, 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:28.439 I want to be able to. 0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:32.400 Do more of my coaching stuff. 0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:34.240 I want this re ad to go out on big scale, 0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:36.000 you know, I want this to be you know, I 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:37.960 wanted to be all over the country. I want everyone 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:39.359 to be able to have access to it all over 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:41.120 the place, you know, because I think it's I think 0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:44.880 it's that I think it's such an important option to 0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:49.400 have for anyone, you know. But like you know, when 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:51.840 when you're when you're getting you know, funding from like 0:53:51.920 --> 0:53:54.240 you know, government bodies like d v A or workover 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:56.440 or whatever. You know, you've got to do things a 0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:59.520 certain way, to conform, to perform a certain way too, 0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:01.759 like you know, even though, like you know, even though 0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:04.160 we have a specific way of doing it, and they're like, 0:54:04.280 --> 0:54:06.919 you know, it's great, you know, but I love doing 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.080 coaching stuff too, which is the stuff I do on 0:54:09.080 --> 0:54:12.320 the you know, on the side, you know, because I 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:15.440 feel like I can do so intimately. I do it 0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.720 one on one. I don't do these group zoom calls. 0:54:17.880 --> 0:54:20.080 I do one on one coaching with my clients. It's 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:23.960 the way I do it, you know, Like and like 0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:27.120 I just love doing that, you know. It's like I 0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:30.440 can I feel like I get to know my client 0:54:30.920 --> 0:54:34.840 really really well, and I can sort of shift his 0:54:34.960 --> 0:54:38.360 program to suit him better. And I just love it, 0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:39.200 you know, And like. 0:54:39.480 --> 0:54:41.880 It's good for the soul if you're helping helping people, 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:45.600 and yeah, find a business and what you're doing and 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:49.040 the passion for what you're doing and helping helping people. 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:52.359 So if people want to find out about Hope in Health, 0:54:52.360 --> 0:54:53.480 where can they find you? 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:57.640 Our website is ww dot Hope Inhealth dot com, dot 0:54:57.680 --> 0:55:02.799 au uh and then like an inquiry email there which 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:06.200 will we'll get email to you myself an intake manager, 0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:07.279 and we'll get back on. 0:55:07.680 --> 0:55:10.920 Oh look good good stuff. And I like the fact. 0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:14.600 Also what you're saying is that it's an option. Yeah, 0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:17.520 consider it. You're not saying this doesn't work or this 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:18.440 one's better than that. 0:55:18.680 --> 0:55:21.000 This is an option. Have a look at it for sure. 0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:23.400 For sure. Yeah, you know, not about that, not in 0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:26.640 competition with anyone, So it's not about competition. We want 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:29.480 to make sure that you know, we refer other people 0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:32.799 onto other realps, you know, if we feel like, yeah, 0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:34.479 if we feel like we're actually not the best option, 0:55:34.520 --> 0:55:36.239 but particularly we'll fare them on. 0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:37.120 But we are. 0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:40.520 You know, we believe we are a really good option 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:45.160 for you know, a huge for a huge percentage of 0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:48.480 people with addiction. You know, because of our individualized approach, 0:55:48.560 --> 0:55:50.799 we feel like we can we can, we can nearly 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:51.560 reach everyone. 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.359 Well, you got that lived experience, and I think that 0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:58.360 carries carries a lot too. But look, full credit to 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:01.680 what you're doing. And I like your take on take 0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:04.160 on life. You've taken a little way to get there, 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:09.160 a few few up ups and downs, but yeah, it's 0:56:09.200 --> 0:56:12.080 made you the person you are now and you're doing 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:14.719 some good work, so full credit to you. And let's 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.600 thank our mate ron Isherwood for putting us in touch 0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:18.040 the EPET. 0:56:18.239 --> 0:56:19.439 Yeah, what a legend. 0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:23.839 Thank you, thank you, class class person. So thanks very much. 0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:26.239 Good on, Gary, Thank you so much. Matte really appreciate it. 0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:26.800 Cheers