1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Detective sy aside of life the average person is never 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop. 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years I was catching killers. 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world. 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: Welcome back to part two of my chat with Nick Midgley, 15 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: former heroin Addict and now program director of the Hope 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: in Health Rehab Center. 17 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: Nick, welcome back, Thank you man. 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 3: Thanks having me. 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to hit you up with a hard one. 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: First up, who's the positive person in your life that 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: you've you've met to date, who's had a good influence 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: on you. 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: I've made lots of people have had good influences on me, 24 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: But in terms of the most positive person, like his 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: attitude being positive would be my sponsor. You know. So, 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: like I do a twelve step program, not so much now, 27 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: but like I still a lot more of it. I'm 28 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: still still involved to some degree. But I've got a sponsor, 29 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: and I've had a few sponsors over the time. And 30 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 3: I've always chosen people have done a lot of jail 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: time and stuff, people that could hold secrets really well, 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: because I thought I need a whole yeah you space, 33 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 3: yeah yeah yeah. But at this time around, I knew 34 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: I needed something different, you know, and Matte does this 35 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: guy he worked in rehabits a long time too. You know, 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 3: he's a he's a psychotherapist, and he wears all op 37 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: shop clothes, you know, it's a surfey and Byron. He's 38 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: got like, you know, his long long white hair, walks 39 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 3: around bed, rides his bike everywhere and then yeah, yeah, man, 40 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: he's just but he is the epitome of just like 41 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 3: fucking happiness. He's always smiling, you know, and it's never 42 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 3: it's never a FOURD thing. He's just he's just worked 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 3: out a really simplistic way to live life, man. And 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 3: I chose him because like I didn't know what it was. 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: I just look at him. I don't know what it 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: is you've got, but I know I need more of it, 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: you know, and yeah and say yeah, he's Any. 48 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: Time I got like a crisis, like a hall do 49 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: I What do I? What do I do? 50 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: I've got my MoMA, my boys sneaking his girlfriend into 51 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: my place and they're both on the rage, and mom, 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: what do I do? 53 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: Like, you know, you do come across people like that 54 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: and they put off a different type of energy, don't 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: you Like there's a real zen like calmness about them 56 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: that yeah. 57 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And then then that's that's the stuff that 58 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: makes spiritual you really sort of appealing for me. Yeah. So, 59 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 3: like you know, because when I took my spiritual path, 60 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: like my I had this idea because my mum and 61 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: my sister quite spiritual, and I thought that was quite 62 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: weird and a weird thing to do that we weird 63 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: people do in weird places. 64 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: And stuff like that. 65 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 3: But man, like you know, when I saw like someone 66 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: like him that practices the way he does, and after 67 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: him other people as well, I thought, fuck, you know, 68 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: that's that's why you do one of the because like 69 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 3: you know, it's yeah, you actually become you can actually 70 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 3: become a peaceful person in this world, you know, and 71 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 3: feel good within. 72 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: Yourself that that contentment, and that's something that they always 73 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: seem content where you contruct space. And it's good to 74 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: surround yourself with people like that for sure, because I 75 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: know that that's yeah, not necessarily in my nature, but 76 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: a little bit rubs off from one person or another 77 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: that you hang around, Like, you don't want toxic people 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: in your life. 79 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: You definitely want that. I think it's good to have 80 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: like a big spectrum of people in your life, you know. 81 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: So like you know, I've got I've got quite a 82 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: lot of ambitious, very successful business people in my life 83 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: and like you know, and entrepreneurial quite people that you know, 84 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: it was sort of like you know, and we brainstorm 85 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: each other sort of stuff and we help each other 86 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: sort of grow and you know, financially and stuff like that. 87 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 3: Then I've got my people that you know that you know, 88 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 3: my my my boys, so you know, but they're really yeah, 89 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: they're they're they're not shut off typical males or they 90 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 3: can talk through proper, proper relationships stuff. 91 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: And that's something that I've got Yeah, I've got a 92 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: group of mates that we do the bloke type of 93 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: conversation where it's just hey, you going good mate? Yeah 94 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: you could be going through ship but yeah, it's it's 95 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: it's superficial. And then you've got people in your life 96 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: that you and blakes and let let's talk about like 97 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: masculinity because I think that's. Uh, it's a tough world 98 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: being a black, I think, and we cop a lot 99 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: of and a lot of it deserved. But sometimes it's 100 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: good for a bloke to be able to speak to 101 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: another bloke and and talk about emotions. Yeah, you've said 102 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: like you've gone through a relationship breakup. I would suggest 103 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: half half your mates to go. No worries, mate, There's 104 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: plenty of fish in the sea, but you want the 105 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: conversation with someone that can break it down. How are 106 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: you feeling? 107 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: Man? That's right. So you know, I'm just gone through 108 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: alas of breakup and it was it was a tough 109 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: one because I had to I had to walk away 110 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: from a girl that I really I really did and 111 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: do your love you know, but it was just it 112 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: wasn't functional in my life. And so if I went 113 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 3: to a certain demographical friends that I do have, and. 114 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: You know, one of them might tell. 115 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: Me that you know, all women know, and then the 116 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: other one might tell me I was like, you know, 117 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: we'll get you another one and yeah, yeah, you know 118 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: whatever if if they just make it really you know, 119 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: show un superficial, there's nothing, there's nothing when to get 120 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: out of there, like I need, you know. 121 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I need, I need. 122 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: I need men in my life also that I haven't 123 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: bring to stuff too and just you know, and have 124 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: someone like you know, run, you know, run the actual 125 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: scenario pass me. So oh if you leave this person, 126 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 3: these are the attributes they have and just make things. 127 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: Really, I think that's where we get confused. Like blokes, 128 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, well we're taught or I was taught not 129 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: to show your emotions and all that. You bottle it up. 130 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: And there's a need for that. You need blokes to 131 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: be blokes at points in time you don't want to 132 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 1: be even if you're scared, you're not going to show 133 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: it in certain situations. But to have that to be 134 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: able to be vulnerable. What I've found in my path 135 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: in life, it's a lot of the guys, the genuine 136 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: tough guys. Like when I say tough guys in that 137 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: you want them standing beside you if you're in conflict, 138 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: whether it's a physical or whatever. They're the ones that 139 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: can actually strip it down because there's no bravado about them. Mate, 140 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: I feel really sad. You know, it could be I 141 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: feel really sad because of this or whatever. This is 142 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: what I'm feeling. Do you find that that there's people there. 143 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: We've got this perception that masculinity you can't be vulnerable. 144 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: But the real tough guys, the ones that I look 145 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: up to and respect, have got that vulnerability and can 146 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: talk about it because they don't have to prove themselves. 147 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it takes a huge amount of 148 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: strength and courage to actually be vulnerable. You know. The 149 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: amount of the amount of strength that a man needs 150 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: to have to be able to talk about how he 151 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: actually feels and how he conducts himself in the world 152 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: is huge. And I look at that as huge strength. 153 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: They even did back when I was full of ego 154 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: and insecurities and stuff. I used to look at men 155 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: like that and go, fuck, that's really admirable. They can 156 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: do that. 157 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: But I wouldn't fuck that, you know, But like, good 158 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 2: on them. 159 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: It gets to that point where you've got the confidence 160 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: to say, shit, yeah I was scared. I didn't want 161 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: to go in there, but you still can do it 162 00:07:59,040 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: or whatever you. 163 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, look like you know, and I see that 164 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: with myself now. Man, I would not lay hands on 165 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: anyone now unless to put hands on me first. And 166 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: I've had I've had that. I've had people like aggressively 167 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: fucking wanting to knock my head off right in front 168 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 3: of me, and stuff like that too, And I don't 169 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: bat I didn't now, like until I lay hands on 170 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: me or or threaten my family. Like, I wouldn't do 171 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: anything like that. But like you know, I know, I 172 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 3: know that I've still got stuff in me that, you know, 173 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: like if I need to, I can still fucking look 174 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 3: after myself. But I also know that, like you know, 175 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 3: I'm okay and comfortable enough in myself to be able 176 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,359 Speaker 3: to sort of, like you know, be on a podcast 177 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 3: and tell you that I've just gone through a break 178 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 3: up with a girl I really love. I wouldn't want 179 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: to tell anyone that I loved anyone or you know, 180 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: like I looked at I looked at love itself as 181 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: like a weakness and a vulnerability let alone and anything else. 182 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: I think I've been doing this long enough for myself. 183 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: Now that I see the I see the different script, 184 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: you know, like I I see uh, I see men 185 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: so fucking hurting jart up and they're trying to act cool, 186 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: you know, and and I hear it in their laugh 187 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:20,359 Speaker 3: like they laugh. It's a fake laugh. It's just like 188 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: like now, you hear it at pubs and stuff especially, 189 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 3: it's just like you know, and it's just this fake 190 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: talk like there and it's like they put on this 191 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: Yobo slang and you know, you just listen to it. 192 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: I listened to that now. Just go man, fucking like 193 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: how fake is it? 194 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: Like I get bored with that type of class. Yeah, 195 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: it's in different goal. 196 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 3: Fucking you know. Just honestly, I just can't be around it, man. 197 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 3: You know that's not as a judgment to them. That 198 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: was me all my life, you know, but I just can't. 199 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 3: I just can't. I just I can't tolerate it now, man, 200 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And if I get that, like, 201 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 3: I challenge you know, see, if if I get met 202 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 3: with that on the top of guy now that try 203 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: challenging to go a bit deeper and look a little 204 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 3: bit deeper because I need that, you know, because I'm 205 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 3: authentically who I am. You know, I've opened myself up 206 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: to meet people the same way. And so when people 207 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 3: can be authentic with me and give me the same 208 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 3: we can have real good intimate conversations and like I 209 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: talk for days with these people, get to know those 210 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 3: people really well, and stuff like that. But you know, 211 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: like the will challenge to people that you know that 212 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 3: that meet me there, you know, and if they can't go, 213 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 3: they can't go past the shallow. 214 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: I struggle with the superficial conversations. And yeah, everyone's life. 215 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: You get kicked in the guts, whether it's you know, 216 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: you've had your heart broken or something happened, someone's died 217 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: in your family, whatever. I like to when I've got 218 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: situations like that, you've got people that can actually have 219 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: that conversation and how do you feel, you mate, It's 220 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: all right to feel this way. 221 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: That's yeah. 222 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: When the h fan with the cops had some really 223 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: good friends that reached out because I'm standing there, no, no, 224 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: it's fine. I'm sitting sitting at home just bloody doing 225 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: nothing and not training, just stopped, and I was really 226 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: in a down spot. But there were friends that I 227 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: could actually talk to about that without being ashamed of it, 228 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: talking about it, and it helped. But there were other people. 229 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: How you go, mate, get the phone call, Oh good mate, 230 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,199 Speaker 1: no worries that type of thing, just a superficial I can't. 231 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: I can't do those type of things. But when you 232 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: are comfortable with And this is where I talk boxing, 233 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: and so I don't get into trouble talking boxing all 234 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 1: the time. But just police boys clubs and all that 235 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: I saw when I was in the cops. A lot 236 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: of kids come come through that, kids that were on 237 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: the wrong track, kids that were getting in the fights, 238 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: kids that were creating crime. And they'd come in there 239 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: and they'd be taught to fight and then they'd stop fighting. 240 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: And people can't work that out. But because they don't 241 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: have to prove themselves, because we're all scared in a way, 242 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: sometimes we end up in the fight because you're scared. 243 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, nearly all the times made all the all the 244 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: A lot a lot of these hard asses that I've 245 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: known in the past and stuff like that who was 246 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: sort of proceeded the people that you don't want to 247 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 3: mess with, mane A lot of them, A lot of 248 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 3: that stuff comes from fear. And you know, even even 249 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: this this mentor that took me through my process when 250 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: I first met him, you know, uh, you know, he 251 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: was trying to get a reaction out of me, you know. 252 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 3: And and he said to me, he said, man, I'm 253 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: just waiting for you to stop being full of ship. 254 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: What do you mean full of ship? He said, Man, 255 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: you got a shaved head, You're full of tattoos, you're 256 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 3: full of steroids, You're full of fear, and you're full 257 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: of ship. You know. I was like, fucking what. So 258 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: I got reactive because back then, like you know, back then, 259 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: because I was fearful, thought fucking out there you see 260 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: through me, Yeah, because you saw me. 261 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: I got reactors going. 262 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 3: Mate, you're triggered like that because you know, you know 263 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: I'm right, you know. And he took me through this price. 264 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 3: He took me back to all these times when I 265 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: was really fearful. I put up all this bravados and 266 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: stuff like that. 267 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 2: You know. 268 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I I've plenty of times in my life 269 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: where I actually thought I was going to meet death. 270 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 3: Like I remember this one time I went to seven. 271 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 3: You know, I was with a bunch of people just 272 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: did a breaking in her, and like I was like 273 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: fourteen or something. I went to seven eleven to get. 274 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 2: A sausage roll sloopy, you know. 275 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: I come back and maybe they had this fucking shitty 276 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: little fucking like you know, watches that you used to 277 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: go in your suit. 278 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 2: Like the old people watch watch and the god I went. 279 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: With mate he ended up backing it here and I 280 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 3: fucking wanting to steal it. You know, I don't know 281 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: if it would have been worth much of her anyway, 282 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 3: everyone else in the room I saw it missing, you know, 283 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 3: and I was the only one that left the apartment 284 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: that just sucking all the scene. It was me and 285 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: may like you know, these guys, like I said before, 286 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 3: they're desperate. Now I'm the young teenager, I'm the most vulnerable. 287 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 3: May you know that that time I thought, mane fuck, 288 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 3: I'm deady and they turn on me, like they fucking 289 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 3: really turned on me, and I thought I'm not going 290 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: to make was on this guy's pulled it out of 291 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: his I was, yeah, you know, they fucking saved me. 292 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: But in that time I thought, fucking you know, I 293 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 3: was dead. And the other times too, when I was 294 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 3: at the gap week I walked down to the public 295 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: bathroom downstairs, and you know, there's a guy who stabbed someone. 296 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: And they both looked at me, and one of the 297 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 3: bloat that stabbed them looked at me, is like, you 298 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: better not fucking saying it. Yeah, and the guy on 299 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 3: the ground going, man, you need to help me. They 300 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: both they both looked at me in this fucking desperate way, 301 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 3: and mate, I was just fucking I thought, fuck, I'm 302 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: I'm fucking dead. They've had all these fucking like yeah, 303 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: scenario is like that, and he and he took this 304 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: this this mentor took me through all these places and 305 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 3: made all these times that you've been fearful, like you've 306 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 3: had to start the armor up. You know, you don't. 307 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: You didn't do this on purpose all of a sudden. 308 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: Now you're the professional boxer that's putting steroids in the 309 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: going and fucking wait them, trying to make himself out 310 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: to be this fucking person. But it's all come from fear. 311 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 3: It's all come from you've been so fearful and so 312 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 3: many times that you've had to sort of show something 313 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: into the world, you know. 314 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: And that that would have hurt. 315 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: When he first pointed out to you, and that's why 316 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: why you arek up. But then when you can take 317 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: a step back and go, okay, you've got me there. 318 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's how we built the relationship with me 319 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 3: because because he knew here his small windows because I 320 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: was so shut off to fucking doing his self help 321 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: or whatever, but he knew he had to reach me, 322 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 3: you know. And then that's the way he reached me. 323 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: I was like, fuck, yeah, you saw me. Yeah, I 324 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: just knew. I was like, I've got to. 325 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: Work with you. I don't know, I don't know why. 326 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: I don't know why because you've been pretty fucking rude 327 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: to now. 328 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: But like, credit to him, but credit to you also, 329 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: because you could have said, oh, that's not the right fit. 330 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to hear your bullshit. Yeah, and stay 331 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: in your own bulls. 332 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: And that's that's the option I have. So I can 333 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: continue living on with all my ego, all my bullshit 334 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: bravados and stuff. I can continue on like that and 335 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: still be that fucking insecure, fearful man and like, you know, 336 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 3: fucking punch on if someone ever threatened my fucking you know, 337 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 3: authentic self. You know, Oh, I can just take a 338 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: really honest look at myself and just like, you know, okay, 339 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 3: I don't want to be that person. And so when yeah, 340 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 3: like I just where you know, like a housemaid and 341 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: old roommate and a good mate in my training partner. 342 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: You know, like you know, he lost his shit at me. 343 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 3: You know, you've seen you wanted to knock my fucking 344 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: head off, and I saw me in him fucking you know, 345 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, he's scared, he's any stuff, 346 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: you know, and not one part of me wanted to 347 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: hit him or hurt him. Man, you know, you know, 348 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: it's like you know, I'll see what's behind it. 349 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: It's a journey, like I like to think that I 350 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: become a better person as I progress through life and 351 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: learn from the lessons, learn more about yourself. And yeah, 352 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: and it's clearly you're you're someone. 353 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: That's absorbed it. 354 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: And we'll get onto what you're doing with the rehab. 355 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: But before we do, at what point you said you're 356 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: cleaned four years? 357 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, for just four years two months? Okay? 358 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: And was it a mindset or was it a gradual process? 359 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: Did you you just it's. 360 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 3: A mindset now, it's definitely a mindset. Now, so I've 361 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: I've turned this into like a process. I've turned my 362 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: life style into a process. You know. So, like I 363 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: wake up in the mornings and I've got a way 364 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: of living that I do every single day. And if 365 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 3: I do that, then I won't use you know. So, 366 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: But at the start, it just became this this this 367 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: desperate need to fucking learn how to live, you know, 368 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: because I had no idea, like, you know, I you know, 369 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: my role models weren't good role models on how to 370 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 3: live with like a you know, a good emotional imbalanced 371 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 3: life and stuff like that. You know, so I looked, 372 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 3: you know, when I got clean this time, you know, 373 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 3: like I looked to mentors, and I did a lot 374 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 3: of like you know, like retreats, like you know, a 375 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 3: lot of a lot of men's groups and stuff like that. 376 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 3: Lot you know who he taught me how to bear 377 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 3: a father, taught me how to be a proper man, 378 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: what a proper man is, and you know, how to 379 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: communicate properly, like you know, what my needs were, what 380 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: my values were, how to sort of like put boundaries 381 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 3: up head just real what what for a lot of 382 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: people would probably basic you know, stuff like if you're 383 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 3: not if you're not raised that way or taught that way, 384 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: like when that stuff's complex, you know. And so because 385 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 3: I went on my own journey to sort of find 386 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: that stuff out and stuff like that, you know, and 387 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: then that became my passion. So well mate, like if 388 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: I had to do this fucking work to find that 389 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 3: out because it wasn't role model for me at home, 390 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: Like I want to be able to give that to 391 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 3: the other people that also liked me, didn't have that 392 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 3: stuff role model. 393 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: So you you inche or created hope and health. Yeah, yeah, 394 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: and and what you've just talked there that was emotive 395 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: for it. You wanted to yeah, help people. 396 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 3: Well, I mean look, I had the initial vision of it, 397 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 3: and then my youngest son's best friend, you know, his father, 398 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: like you know, he does business startups and brand development 399 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 3: and stuff like that, you know, for some big companies, 400 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: you know. And I was just talking to him in 401 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: the street, you know. And yeah, so I was I 402 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: was already in the process of starting his business up 403 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 3: and and and he helped me, you know, steer it 404 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: into what it is now and and through that pros 405 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 3: you know, like when when I started talking about my 406 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 3: vision of like you know, recovery rehab and stuff like that, 407 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: made it made the ears prick of other people in 408 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 3: the industry that also knew they were working in the 409 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 3: industry but also knew deep down that's that's the way 410 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 3: to do it. Well, that's a really yeah, good, interesting 411 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 3: way to do it, and attracted these people that left 412 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: really secure jobs to come and work with us to 413 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: sort of bring this this vision into into light, you know, 414 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 3: and so now and they've had the little influences and 415 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 3: stuff like. So my initial vision was, well, you know, 416 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 3: I feel like it was good and still there, but 417 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 3: it's now like something incredible. 418 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: How we describe your initial vision. 419 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 3: Uh was? My initial vision was just to sort of 420 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 3: like you know, become more sort of like health conscious 421 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: in rehab, you know, so instead of like going to 422 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 3: rehab and just you know, having vending machines around and 423 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 3: you know, and smoking shelters where people just you know, 424 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: get cafe into the fucking eyeballs and and you know 425 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 3: smoke cigarettes at the back and eat shit out of 426 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 3: vending machines and stuff like that, you know, popping prescription 427 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: pills for diagnoses they may not have, you know, like 428 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: you know, I thought, well, let's let's you. 429 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: Know, before we sort of like, you know, go through 430 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 2: that measure. 431 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: Let's take the let's take all the junk food aways, 432 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 3: get a meeting, good food, Let's get a meeting and 433 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 3: get them into training, get him in good physical shape 434 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 3: and stuff like that too, and you know, let's look 435 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 3: at the lost of factors before we start to diagnose 436 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: them and stuff like that. You know, because a lot 437 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 3: of a lot of the symptoms, you know, a lot 438 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: of the symptoms that people are getting diagnosed with diagnoses 439 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: with are often the same symptoms you know, that people 440 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 3: will experience when they're not when they're not training, or 441 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 3: they're eating ship food, or they've been drinking too much 442 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 3: and stuff like that. 443 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: You know. 444 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 3: So I definitely feel like there's a time and place 445 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 3: of pharmaceutical for pharmaceutical intervention. But I do think it's 446 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people getting diagnosed with things they 447 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: don't have because they're not willing to sort of look 448 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 3: at themselves for you know, they're they're they're in a 449 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 3: ship situation alive, and they want someone else to diagnose them. 450 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 3: So they're going to have a pill an easy way 451 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 3: out rather than fucking fixing up their life and and 452 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: and eating better, getting up, training, sleeping earlier, and you know, 453 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: doing doing the stuff that they need to do. So 454 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: that that was that was my vision now but now 455 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: it's something way bigger to know. 456 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: Well, it's the rehab program that you've got. I just 457 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: read out how how it's described. Uh, No, rehababilitation program 458 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: is complete without an integrated care of your physical, mental, 459 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: and emotional needs. At Hope Health, therapeutic treatment occurs within 460 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: a holistic framework, encompassing all aspects of your recovery needs. 461 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: This rehabilitative approach is grounded in real world experience game 462 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: from supporting a wide range of clients to achieve tangible 463 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 1: and sustainable recoveries. Our evidence based support structures tested and 464 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: refined over time, resulting transform lives and ongoing sobrietry. So 465 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: that's your Yeah, the way that the business is described. 466 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: But I bring up a couple of points there. It's 467 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: a holistic approach to it. Yeah, and you've touched on 468 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: the health and I hadn't really well when I say 469 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about it, You've bought the point 470 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: home that Okay, you've got an addiction. Your lifestyle shipped 471 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: because of the addiction which comes first, not sure. But 472 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: if you start to have a healthy lifestyle, what you 473 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: do a bit of training the difference that that can 474 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: make and fix that aspect of your life as well 475 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: as getting you off the off the drugs. 476 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: Honestly, for a lot of people, it's honestly that simple. Honestly, 477 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 3: and for a lot of people who work with like 478 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: you know, once they get an experience of what life's like, 479 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 3: you know, change those last style factors, then they they're 480 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 3: not just enjoying life so much. 481 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: I don't go back to their vices. 482 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 3: What we do is we we look at the individual 483 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: when they when they when they make contact with this 484 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 3: is help. And so instead of we don't do this 485 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 3: one program that everyone that you know inquires comes in, 486 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: do we look at what the individual has done prior, 487 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: you know, what sort of treatment are done prior what 488 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 3: you know, things that may have worked, that haven't worked, 489 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and we you know, and we 490 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 3: look at you know, what their sort of goals are 491 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and like you know, what what 492 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: what what they what they may need, what may work 493 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 3: well for them, things I want to try and stuff 494 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: like that, and we and we empower them to sort 495 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 3: of make their own decisions and what what recovery will 496 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 3: look like for them as long as it balances out, 497 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: you know, their emotional, physical, and spiritual needs. We give 498 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: them modalities to try and you know, to test run 499 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: while they're with us and stuff like that, and then 500 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 3: we've got case work. 501 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: Is that sort of review these these these. 502 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: Treatment plans that they're clinical team like doctors, psychologists. 503 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 1: And you've got you've got all that this, Yeah, we've 504 00:23:59,400 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: got all that. 505 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, we employed doctors, psychologists and psychotherapist stuff. 506 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: They come up with these treatment plans and stuff like that, 507 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 3: and as they get reviewed, they make sure the client 508 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 3: actually enjoys doing it, and they also make sure that 509 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 3: client's getting results from it, you know. So like if 510 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: you look at you know, people like myself, I've done 511 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: plenty of rehab before, and I would be going to 512 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: rooms just just for context. I got kicked out the 513 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 3: buttery after five and a half months because they thought 514 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 3: I was doing no work, you know, because they thought, 515 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not being vulnerable, I'm not talking about 516 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: my stuff. But I came from my world where you know, 517 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 3: like you don't fucking talk about anything, you know, Like 518 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: I barely even spoke. People used to call me Mumbles 519 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 3: because all my conversations were under my breath, like because 520 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 3: you do then environment that I was in, you know, 521 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 3: and and I hadn't smiled in such a long time, 522 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 3: you know, that my facial muscles went all limp, like 523 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 3: I didn't trust new one, and so like you know, 524 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 3: you couldn't put me with a therapist, and a therapist 525 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: couldn't get through to me, you know. But for people 526 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 3: like me, when I found breath work, I found meditation, 527 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: I found acupunctual people stuck needles in it, you know, 528 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 3: I dry needling in me, opened up all my meridian systems, 529 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 3: unlocked all these like you know, all these like trapped 530 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: energies and trapped traumas and stuff like that my body, 531 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 3: you know, so like I healed through somatic healing, you know, 532 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 3: through my body, rather than you know, psychological healing through 533 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: like you know, talking out with you know, therapists and 534 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 3: stuff like that. You know, like I can do that now, 535 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 3: like now these conversations I'm having with you now, like 536 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: I can do that now as a result of healing 537 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 3: through my body, you know, through through somatic work, you know, 538 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 3: so instead of having one program. We go, mate, everyone's 539 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: going to get this topic. We're going to get someone 540 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: in to talk to you about triggers and family. And 541 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 3: if you can sort of like you know, be vulnerable 542 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 3: enough and absorb information like that enough and like apply 543 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: that information into your life, great, you know. But if 544 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: you can't and you and you won't, then then you 545 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 3: then you're fucked. You know. You leave rehab, you'll get 546 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 3: your clean time, but you're leaving your fucked you know. 547 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 3: And so we want to make sure that no one 548 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 3: suit of cracks. It's like the education system. You know, 549 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: school will teach one way, and if you can't learn 550 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 3: that way, you're fucked, you know, like you know, a 551 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: good teacher will teach the student the way they learn. 552 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 3: You know. We want to make sure that we help 553 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 3: people recover the way that they will heal, you know. 554 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: And so it makes sense the way the way you're 555 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: explaining it, and that trying. It's not a one stop 556 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: program fits all. You've got to cater for the individual. 557 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: But you're talking breath work and meditation and all that 558 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: that helps create a balance life, doesn't it. 559 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 3: Mate? 560 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: For sure? 561 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 3: For sure, I may not look look at with their 562 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 3: with their with their head shaves and tatoos and stuff 563 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: like that, but made that that spiritual, spiritual practice is made. 564 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: It's that was for me, That was my That was 565 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 2: what got me clean. You know. 566 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 3: It was like, you know, it was how I actually 567 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: understood what was going on for me, is like to 568 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 3: how I could actually sit in that silence and not 569 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 3: get fucking completely tortured by it. I kept on going 570 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 3: back there, even though I was so uncomfortable for me 571 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 3: to sit and sit in silence. I kept on going 572 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 3: back because stuff was getting revealed to me by doing it. 573 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 3: You know, the discomfort I was feeling from just going 574 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 3: somewhere fucking quiet without distractions was where all these answers were. 575 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: Coming to me, you know. 576 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 3: And and you know, look, I believe, I believe meditation 577 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 3: is for everyone. I believe we're actually I feel like 578 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: we're all meant to be doing some sort of self inquiry. 579 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: Well, it's starting to become more acceptable. I've been doing 580 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: it for thirty years. And when I first started doing it, 581 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: what's this weirdo cop doing this meditation? And what you've 582 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: just said, And I think this is a good message 583 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: for people that haven't meditated, that it is so confronting 584 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: to sit down and meditate. Like if I was stressed work, 585 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm thinking I just want to go for a run 586 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: because I just run or box or do something. Because 587 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: then I'd not kept in my thoughts. It took more 588 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: strength and effort to sit down and meditate and just 589 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: slow your mind down and just process everything. And it 590 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 1: was so confronting sometimes, and people think, and I try 591 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 1: to explain that in my very I'm no expert by 592 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: any means, but it's like saying I'm going to run 593 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: a marathon without training. You can't just go, I'm going 594 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: to meditate without putting the effort in. So you would 595 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: have to sit down and you would have to allow 596 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: yourself to sit in that quiet that sit in that space. 597 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: But the benefits that I got, I don't do it 598 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: every day now, but I have it there as a 599 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: tool if I need to. If I'm stressed out about 600 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: something or out of step with something, I can sit 601 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: down and meditate. So I get what you're saying, because otherwise, 602 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: if you're just treating the physical addiction, the chances are 603 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: you could fall fall back into it. You've got to 604 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: off something else. 605 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: Not just the chances like the reality is you probably will, 606 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 3: you know, because it's you know, everything is caused and effect. 607 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 3: So when you when you're not traveling, well you know, 608 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 3: and then you you know, you you block it with 609 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: a substance, and a substance you know, it gets you 610 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 3: high and like you know, and then you have affairs 611 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 3: or you go to gamble or you you know, or 612 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 3: cost your money. You put yourself in financial troubles and 613 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 3: it costs your business stuff, your fucking business relationships. All that, 614 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: all the business stuff and the family stuff and all 615 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 3: the relationship stuff, the problems. That's all the fucking symptoms 616 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 3: of the cause, which is us, you know. 617 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: And so what we do is. 618 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 3: Instead of managing the drug or the type of substance 619 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: that it is and like how often they use it, 620 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: like you know, in whatever way, it's like maybe we 621 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: don't even look at that stuff so much. It's so 622 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 3: you know, we go, well, why do you need to 623 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 3: have a substance? 624 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: So what what what is it? 625 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 3: What is it in you that you know that that 626 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: you need to like you know, block out, like you know, 627 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 3: and what is you need to struct from? 628 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: So you're treating the cause, but why they're why they're 629 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: using the drug. 630 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're treating the person. The person is the cause. 631 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 3: And when people come in, you know, like, we don't 632 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: do fucking you know, we don't well, we don't just it. 633 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 3: We do do psychotherapy, sessions, groups and stuff like that. 634 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: It's important, but that's not all we do. Like that, 635 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 3: that's that's that's dealing with the effects of like us, 636 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: you know, but we actually go to heal the person 637 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 3: in there too. Everything that we experience on the outside, 638 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 3: well is just a direct reflection of what's happening for 639 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: us internally. So instead of trying to fucking work everything 640 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 3: out on the outside, like you know, if we want to, 641 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 3: we want a better life on the outside, we're just 642 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 3: going to create a better internal world for us inside. 643 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 3: You know. 644 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: Okay, how many people have you got working? It's been 645 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: up and running now for what three four years? 646 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've got about thirty eight staff, I think. 647 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 648 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: And what do they include? You've got medical, Yeah. 649 00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 3: We've got We've got doctors, nurses, psychologists, psychotherapists, carriers, chefs, 650 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 3: you know, cleaners, yoga instructors, breath work constructors, case. 651 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: Managers and how many people do you have coming through? 652 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 3: So we've got we've got two venues now we've got 653 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 3: one that were just open. So we've got one in Podsville, 654 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 3: which is northern New South Wales. Let's got a capacity 655 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 3: of five, and then we've got a capacity of nine 656 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: up on gold Case. Okay, yeah, So we do ours 657 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 3: quite intimate a couple of reasons. A because you know, 658 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: we want to make sure that people don't feel a 659 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 3: crossophobic in there. You know, that people got a bit 660 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: of space where they're living and stuff like that and 661 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: not stepping on each other's toes and stuff. But also 662 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: like you know, when people are working with the real 663 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 3: deep rooted trauma, which is what we really want to 664 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: focus on. So when I said what we healed the person, 665 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, we go we go into their staff, you know, 666 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 3: into the you know what's actually what's actually causing that 667 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: real fucking you know, the discord in them, the real 668 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 3: disturbance in them. You know, once you start to uncover that, 669 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 3: you know, unless they feel comfortable to bring that out, 670 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 3: they won't, you know. And so it has to be 671 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: like a quite safe intimate environment and stuff like that. 672 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 3: So which means not too many people and also the 673 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: people that we do bring in they're there for the 674 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 3: right reasons, you know, So when we do our phone 675 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 3: assessments and stuff that there's people getting pushed into go 676 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: by their wives or their partners and stuff, we don't 677 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 3: we don't let them come in. You know, we're telling 678 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: they're welcome, they come in when they're ready, but we 679 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: won't take them in unless they're and unless they're open, 680 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 3: willing and ready to do the work that's that's in there. 681 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 3: Then it becomes not you know, it becomes not safe 682 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 3: for the people that are already in there doing the work. 683 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 3: So it's got to be like a and we've got 684 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 3: we've got to take ownership of that, you know. 685 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: That's to get the right people in, the right pa, 686 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: the right people in. Yeah, we're going to make sure. 687 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: That because I would imagine in that environment, if you 688 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: brought the wrong person in, he or she could corrupt 689 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: the other other people. 690 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, which is a big, a big probable 691 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 3: I was saying about too, because we're working with a 692 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: lot of first responders too, you know, you know, we 693 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 3: work with copies. The coppers can't share the same space 694 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 3: as like a fucking cream because neither of them will 695 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,239 Speaker 3: feel comfortable, you know, what I mean, neither of them 696 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: feel comfortable opening up about what they've what they've experienced. 697 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 3: You know, if they pushed themselves to that, they realize 698 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 3: they're both the same, They're they're both the same on 699 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 3: different speces. 700 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: Well, what what what I've learned since I've I've left 701 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: the cops and sitting down talking to all sorts of 702 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: people here, we're not that not that different. 703 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: It's just like that's definitely my that's definitely been my 704 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 3: experience since doing this work too. But just to give 705 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 3: you know, like you know, when people got a short 706 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 3: period of time to do this sort of work, you know, 707 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,479 Speaker 3: it just it just makes sense not to mix them 708 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 3: into the same. 709 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: And so do you get I think I read on 710 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: your website you get military people coming through is it 711 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: post traumatic stress and addiction coming from that. 712 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 3: Or well generally, I mean generally generally drug and alcohol 713 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 3: they're not the problem. They're they're they're the solution to 714 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 3: the problem often, you know, you know what I mean. 715 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: So people have used. 716 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 3: Them as a solution to whatever, you know, whatever, you know, 717 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 3: what what whatever they've gone through throughout the life, whatever 718 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,760 Speaker 3: has affected them through life. You know, it later becomes 719 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 3: a problem because they use it dysfunctionally and stuff like that, 720 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 3: you know, but then they believe, you know, that that's 721 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,479 Speaker 3: the problem, you know, Like I did too, like because 722 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 3: when when I went to rehab the first few times, 723 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 3: you know, I thought it was you know, I thought 724 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 3: I had a drug problem. 725 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 2: What I really had is a life living problem. 726 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 3: You know. 727 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: That's that's I think that's a valuable point to make 728 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 1: that when you break it down that simply because I'm thinking, 729 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: you get the rehab because you're a heroin addict, but 730 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: now you go in the rehab because you've got all 731 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,280 Speaker 1: these issues within in your own life, and the heroines 732 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 1: the end of it. 733 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: And that's that's the difference between our programming, that cause 734 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 3: and effect program. We love the cause, like the heroines 735 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: under the effect. That's that's a that's a byproduct of 736 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 3: the fucking cause, the traumas that's in the person. 737 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: You know, Like, but what healthy person is. 738 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 3: Going to just go sticking needles in his arm random, 739 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 3: no one, you know, Like, there's something in that person 740 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 3: that is so fucking in a in so much fucking pain, despair, 741 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: and you know that they need an outlet like like 742 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 3: that they're willing to risk their life for every shot 743 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 3: just to not feel the way they're feeling. Like, man, like, 744 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 3: you can't you can't take that stuff lightly, you know 745 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 3: what I mean. You can't just go, oh, he's just 746 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 3: gotta got a heroin problem and we'll put him on 747 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 3: some methadone. Like, no, he's got a fucking he's got 748 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 3: a life living problem. And there's part of me feels 749 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 3: so disconnected from this world and who he is and 750 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: stuff like that. Let's try to fucking instead of masking 751 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 3: it with like, you know, another drug, which is only 752 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 3: going to further suppress what he's actually trying to fucking 753 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 3: you know, we're trying to come up, you know, let's 754 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 3: let's actually let's hear him, you know, and part of 755 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 3: the individual treatment plans so people actually get hurt. Let's 756 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 3: listen to the individual client, you know, and what what 757 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 3: they actually need from us, and let's help them get 758 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 3: those results. You know, Otherwise you just you don't get heard, 759 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 3: you know, you just come in. It's like this is 760 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 3: our program, Come do this. I hope it works for you. 761 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: Now that you've been running for a couple of years, 762 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 1: you've had a success and people that you look back 763 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: and your employees with the results that the programs getting. 764 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, we're collecting data as well. So well, 765 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 3: at some point, at some point, you know, we're gonna 766 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 3: you know, we're going to challenge the system a little bit, 767 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 3: you know what we already are, but like you know, 768 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 3: but you know, we want to We want to show 769 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 3: people that, you know, this isn't an ego thing at all, 770 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 3: you know, this is just like we just want to 771 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,840 Speaker 3: make sure that the other people know that there is 772 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 3: another option, you know, So if other people, particularly the 773 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: ones I love to work with that are the ones 774 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 3: that have been through a lot of rehab before and 775 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 3: through the cracks, you know, And I just want to 776 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 3: make sure that that people know. 777 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 2: It's like mane, We're not. 778 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 3: Necessarily everyone's best option, but we're a option that's out 779 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 3: there for people that have tried other ones, you know. 780 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 3: And so like you know, when people are you know, 781 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 3: fucking they're in despair. Families are in despare because they 782 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 3: feel like they tried everything. 783 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: It's well, try us, And is there a government support? 784 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: Is the government funding? 785 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 3: Has it not yet? Look, I hope to get there. 786 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 3: There isn't There isn't yet. I mean look there, you know, 787 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 3: there's the private and public sector and stuff like that. 788 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 3: You know, so like you know, when when you when 789 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 3: you go private, you've got the flexibility to do what 790 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 3: you want, what you feel, and that's what we're doing now. 791 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 3: But like I said before, we're measuring up. So we're 792 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 3: collecting data and stuff and like that, and we will 793 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 3: not eventually, like you know, be able to present that too, 794 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 3: you know, to the governments and stuff like that, go well, 795 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 3: look this is these are our results. Yeah. 796 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: Well, when you get all that data and the results base, 797 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: but how are you finding it personally? It's a business, 798 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: it's obviously a passion. 799 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 3: It's a business, but it's a calling. It's more than 800 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 3: a businessman, you know. It's like I've run a lot, 801 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 3: I've started, run and sold quite a few businesses over 802 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,760 Speaker 3: my time, and they've all seemed like worked to a degree, 803 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 3: you know, like this is this is a calling out bounds, 804 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 3: out of bed. It's cost me a couple of relationships, 805 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 3: and I know that right now. It's I'm obsessed with it, 806 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 3: like I was. I've got time for nothing else, man, 807 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 3: and I love doing what I'm doing, you know, because 808 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 3: I honestly feel like I'm doing something really fucking special 809 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 3: in this space. I'm not saying that as an ego thing. 810 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 3: Man Like, I don't, I don't need recognition for it. 811 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 3: I feel like we're really revolutionizing this industry, not because 812 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: we're doing anything fucking that. We came up with everything 813 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 3: that I'm doing in this rehab space. This information is 814 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 3: already out, that is already it's already proven that this 815 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,320 Speaker 3: stuff works right. But to actually get into a business 816 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 3: model is quite tricky because when you're doing individualized treatment plans, 817 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 3: and when you've got a capacity of like you know, 818 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 3: fourteen fourteen people in total, and they're all doing their 819 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,359 Speaker 3: own program, and you've got cares and employees, like you know, 820 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 3: in case managers take clients to all these different appointments 821 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,240 Speaker 3: because they're not all just getting shipped on one minibus 822 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 3: to one area. You know. Yeah, it's not all you know, 823 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 3: thirty people doing yoga. You might have wanted to doing 824 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 3: yoga while the other's getting macupuncture, you know, but we're 825 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 3: giving the individuals what they actually need. So operationally, logistically, 826 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 3: it's it's it's a it's a trickier business. It's certainly 827 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 3: a far more expensive business to run, and where we're 828 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 3: at the cheaper end of private re still expensive. Fortunate 829 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 3: when when you when you're employing doctors and nurses and 830 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 3: psycho therapists and psychologists, made the overheads go through the roofs. 831 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 3: So we're conscious of that. So we make it as 832 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 3: cheap as possible to open up the market to as 833 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 3: many people as you can while also keeping the business 834 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,280 Speaker 3: to float. 835 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: You know, how how long is someone in the program? 836 00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: For general? 837 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 3: It depends man generally, anywhere between a month and three 838 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 3: months is generally what we get. But the old people 839 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,839 Speaker 3: stay longer. But we don't take anyone less than a month. Now, 840 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 3: you know, like seeing a lot of a lot of 841 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 3: probably rehabs do people a week or two, we just 842 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 3: stopped offering that, you know, we we we we did 843 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: a couple of people for two weeks, and we stopped 844 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,840 Speaker 3: doing that because I just think. 845 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 2: You think you need a little bit more. 846 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,640 Speaker 3: It just seems like a bit of a money grab 847 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 3: thing for me now, like I feel like it's going 848 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 3: to tarnish my brand if I do that, like it 849 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 3: may it opens your market right up. And if you 850 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 3: if you don't get people for two weeks and sell 851 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,919 Speaker 3: people on the idea that they're going to get clean 852 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 3: and their whole lives could be fixed in two weeks. 853 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 3: You'll make a shipload of money, you know. But like, yeah, 854 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 3: you're selling false streams. And when you when you when 855 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 3: you're on the phone to these vulnerable people, their anxious families. 856 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 3: If if you can honestly you can honestly do that, yeah, 857 00:40:54,120 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 3: good on you con advantage people like that. And even 858 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,319 Speaker 3: the ones that we got in, they pressured me into that, 859 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 3: you know. And and when when when I actually decided 860 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 3: to give it a go, you know, I made them 861 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 3: know really that I don't feel like it's a good idea. 862 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 3: I highly recommend the extend these days, they didn't, and 863 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 3: we haven't had success with two weeks, you know, and 864 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 3: so like you know, I'd rather just not do it, 865 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,240 Speaker 3: rather just go maybe let someone else take the shitty data, 866 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 3: you know, Like you know, we want to. 867 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 2: Make sure that makes sense. 868 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to make sure that that people get 869 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 3: a they get they get an experience with us, you know, 870 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 3: Like I feel like it takes at least four weeks 871 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,759 Speaker 3: to get that first bit of experience where where like 872 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 3: the nutritious food and the exercise and the they're the mindful. 873 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 2: Technique and stuff that. 874 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes, you know, like it takes about like, 875 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 3: you know, a month before the neural chemistry even starts 876 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,360 Speaker 3: to take a bit of a shift and like you know, 877 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 3: sell sell your sistance that you know, replenish itself to 878 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 3: sleep cycle start to sort of you know, like you know, 879 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 3: level themselves out. Takes about before you even realize, oh fuck, 880 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 3: you know, maybe I'm maybe I haven't completely done a 881 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 3: number of myself. Maybe I can come back to something 882 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 3: fucking better, you know, like as we want to make 883 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,359 Speaker 3: sure everyone at least gets that experience, you know, it's 884 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 3: what we call ourselves hope and health to like you know, 885 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 3: I hope. We want to make sure that everyone gets 886 00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 3: the experience of hope where they where they go. Okay, 887 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 3: well you know. 888 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 2: Now I could do. 889 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,440 Speaker 3: Better, you know, And I love this. I love this 890 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 3: experiment I did on hope. You know, whether they had 891 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 3: rats and water, you know, where they swim for three 892 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 3: minutes and they all drowned, you know, and they put 893 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 3: more rats in water, and when they started to struggle, 894 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 3: they took them out, they warmed them up, and then 895 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 3: they put them back in and I swim for like 896 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 3: twenty thirty minutes. Seriously, that was that was a real experiment. 897 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 3: And so so when we give people the experience of hope, 898 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,439 Speaker 3: you know, and they realized, fuck it, because I've gone 899 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 3: the rehabs when I already thought I was fucked. I 900 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,080 Speaker 3: thought I was done. I already thought my mind was cooked. 901 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,760 Speaker 3: I thought my fucking I thought my body was thrashy, 902 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 3: you know, I thought I'll do were we had to 903 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 3: get a couple of people off my back. And you know, 904 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 3: when you had that experience, it's like, you know, all 905 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 3: of suddens, like you've eaten a meal that you've actually 906 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 3: digested and then you've just automatically you just use all 907 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 3: of a sudden, just slept four hours, you know, all 908 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 3: of a sudden, like maybe not in severe body aches 909 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 3: and pains and you know, the cold sweats are stopped 910 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,399 Speaker 3: and like you know, and you're like, you know, yeah, 911 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 3: your nervous and started to regulate, you know, and you're like, oh, fuck, 912 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 3: you know this is what Yeah, it's actually maybe I 913 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 3: can make it, you know, maybe can make it, you know, 914 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 3: and just that the energy and the power of that hope, 915 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,120 Speaker 3: you know, it can catapult you. You know, like I said, 916 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 3: if you can make rat swim another twenty five minutes, 917 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 3: imagine I can do a fucking human makes sense, Like, 918 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:41,839 Speaker 3: you know. 919 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,440 Speaker 1: What, what about your yourself, Nick, Like what structures have 920 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: you got in place? Because there's always hurdles around the corner, 921 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: all different things. But I read that you get up 922 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: at one thirty. 923 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 2: In the morning, Yeah, thirty every morning, Yeah, and do your. 924 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,399 Speaker 1: Training and talk us through that, because I think there's 925 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,280 Speaker 1: a lot to be said for early rises. 926 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. 927 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 3: So Like the reason I start getting up at one 928 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,720 Speaker 3: thirty is because my mentor taught me how to meditate. 929 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 3: He said to me, if you get up between one 930 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 3: thirty and three, it's the quietest time. It's when they 931 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 3: when they're there, when they're conflicting, disturbance of energies of 932 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,600 Speaker 3: people and all that piece, because they're all asleep, you know. 933 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,840 Speaker 3: So if you can medical everything catches rhythms, you know, 934 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 3: like when women hang around together, the cycle together and 935 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 3: stuff like you know, if I yawn, you catch my 936 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 3: yawn and stuff that, you know, So rhythms catch each other, 937 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 3: you know. And and when you meditate between one and three, 938 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 3: like you meditate into the most pure rhythm you know, 939 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 3: and so like you know, you know, you're going to 940 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 3: be the most grounded throughout your day if you get 941 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 3: up at that time, you know, and meditate that time. 942 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 3: Because I got so used to meditating at that time. 943 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 3: I was already up at that time, so I thought 944 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 3: I'd just start kicking on my day then, you know, 945 00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 3: so I do my training, I do my walking, and 946 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 3: and there's no disturbance. Man, there's no disturbance. And because 947 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 3: like you know, just I had to sort of switch 948 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,719 Speaker 3: on a little bit spiritually as well, you know, like 949 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 3: it just affected everything else I was doing so well, 950 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 3: you know, so like you know, when I'm at the 951 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,440 Speaker 3: gym and I get on my phone, I don't do 952 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 3: anything else, Like you know, when I'm between one thirty 953 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 3: and seven am, hardly anyone's around, and it's just I've 954 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,080 Speaker 3: just got that time with just myself, you know, so 955 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 3: like I get really I'm really clear on who I 956 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 3: am today because I spent so much time on my own, 957 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 3: you know. Like you know, like I said, I've just 958 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 3: gone through a relationship breakup with like the you know, 959 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 3: with the girl of my dreams, Like I've fucking adore her, 960 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 3: you know, but I'm also completely okay with my own now, 961 00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 3: you know, Like, yeah, I miss her, but like I'm 962 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,719 Speaker 3: so okay in my own space that like I don't 963 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 3: fucking have to, like you know, run back to something. 964 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 3: I know it's not going to assume me because of that, 965 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,239 Speaker 3: you know, because I've spent all this time my own now, 966 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,879 Speaker 3: like you know, being so okay in you know, And. 967 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,800 Speaker 1: What do you put that down to the structure and 968 00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: the processes you having a lot of times, you know, 969 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,759 Speaker 1: people are defined by their relationships or whatever, and you know, 970 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,960 Speaker 1: if there's a breakup, people people feel destroyed. 971 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 3: What are you. 972 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,279 Speaker 1: Saying that, Yeah, because you've talked about the lady and 973 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,800 Speaker 1: you loved it and then it's over for whatever reason. 974 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,319 Speaker 1: But you're you're fine with what you're Yeah. 975 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,240 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I'm still processing. 976 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,240 Speaker 3: I'm still grieving and still still but I'm fine because 977 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,240 Speaker 3: like I know, I know that I've got a process 978 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 3: in my life that if I follow this process, I 979 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 3: wake up, I do my breath work, I do my visualization, 980 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 3: I do my light therapy. I'll put these intentions into 981 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 3: a light and absorb that in my cell systems and. 982 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:41,759 Speaker 2: Stuff like that. 983 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 3: I have my cold showers, I get up and meditate, 984 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,200 Speaker 3: and I train, then I do my walking and stuff 985 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,239 Speaker 3: like that, you know, and then I eat my nutritious. 986 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 2: Food and stuff. 987 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,840 Speaker 3: And you know, so if I got this process that 988 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,960 Speaker 3: I live by, you know, and it doesn't matter what 989 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 3: happens in my life, I was going to make or 990 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 3: do this process, so it doesn't matter how I feel. 991 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,400 Speaker 3: Because there's process driven people and there's emotional driven people. 992 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 3: And so the emotional driven person will wake up and go, fuck, 993 00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 3: I don't feel like doing that today, so I won't. 994 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 3: The process driven people will wake up and go, this 995 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 3: is what I do, This is how I live, and 996 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 3: so regardless of anything, this is what I'm going to do, 997 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,920 Speaker 3: you know. And so when you've got a process, like 998 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,560 Speaker 3: life still happens, like life will still throw you all 999 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 3: sorts of curveballs, but like the process that you've developed 1000 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,920 Speaker 3: just makes it all manageable. You know, if your emotional 1001 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 3: driven person, like you could be going really fucking good, 1002 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,399 Speaker 3: you motivated at the gym, and everything's going really good, 1003 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 3: you go through a breakup. All of a sudden, you're 1004 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 3: in a fucking heartbreak, and you fucking throw your whole 1005 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 3: life out the window. So I'm experiencing heartbreak. I'm experiencing grief, 1006 00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 3: but I'm also doing that, you know, while I'm doing 1007 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 3: my process. So the process keeps me good, keeps me stable, 1008 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 3: and so that's what I do. I try to I 1009 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,200 Speaker 3: try to help people develop a process of their life, 1010 00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,879 Speaker 3: you know, where they realize what they actually want, who 1011 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 3: they actually want to be, get really clear on who 1012 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,760 Speaker 3: they want to be, and then I help them develop 1013 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,879 Speaker 3: habits they get there. It takes all the guests work 1014 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,720 Speaker 3: out of out out of achieving what they want in life. 1015 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 3: You know, because if you know, if you wake up 1016 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 3: in the morning, go fuck, I hope I have a 1017 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 3: good day today. I hope some opportunities come to me today. 1018 00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,279 Speaker 3: It's like maybe you're you're fucking you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1019 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 3: you're hoping for a miracle. Whereas in like, if you've 1020 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,919 Speaker 3: got habits in your life that will take you there, 1021 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 3: and every day you're just doing the things that take 1022 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 3: you there, you'll get there. 1023 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: Regardless I get where you're coming from. I'm an early 1024 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,279 Speaker 1: riser and I love I'm not one thirty, but at 1025 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 1: four o'clock most mornings, and regardless of what time I 1026 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: get to bed of four o'clock get out, and I 1027 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: feel like I've cheated the world in that I've got 1028 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: so much, so much done. I've done my training, I've 1029 00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,719 Speaker 1: had a sauna, I've had a cold shower, I've even 1030 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 1: done some work, and I've had had a nice breakfast. 1031 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: And at seven o'clock on the rest of the world, 1032 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,239 Speaker 1: the alarms are going off and people are getting up, 1033 00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,879 Speaker 1: and I feel like I've got an advantage over Yeah. 1034 00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,680 Speaker 3: Because I actually believe that you have. I believe you 1035 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 3: have cheated the world. I believe there's a there's an 1036 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 3: there's an energy, and there's a level of productivity that 1037 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,640 Speaker 3: can be that like every every. 1038 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 2: Minute like it quates like an hour, what you can get. 1039 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 3: Done in that time is supernatural, like you know, because 1040 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 3: there's just no disturbances, you know, you know when when 1041 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,759 Speaker 3: when you when you're sort of like if you're a 1042 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 3: nine to five guy, you wake up at nine and 1043 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 3: you finish at five. Mate. 1044 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, You've just got. 1045 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 3: So many disturbances and so much. 1046 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,840 Speaker 2: Like you know, frantic ship around you. 1047 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 3: It's hard to make like it's hard to make good 1048 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 3: clear decisions, it's hard to be focused, it's hard to 1049 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 3: sort of be regulated, so you know, you're reacting to 1050 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,720 Speaker 3: a world rather than sort. 1051 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: Of you wake up to the chaos if you get 1052 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,320 Speaker 1: up later. I know what you're saying. And I feel 1053 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,000 Speaker 1: like I got a little smile on my face every 1054 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,319 Speaker 1: time I'm walking out and past all the neighbors, all 1055 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 1: the apartment I'm in, and everyone's asleep, and I'm thinking, 1056 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm rocking this already, I've done some work. I'm about 1057 00:49:58,920 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: the train beautiful. 1058 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,600 Speaker 3: And then and the other thing is that you will 1059 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 3: finish your day the way you start it. They're saying, 1060 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,400 Speaker 3: like when the morning, when the night day or something? 1061 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,360 Speaker 3: You know, but you know that actually good, there's science 1062 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,799 Speaker 3: behind it. Like you finished your day is the way 1063 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 3: you start. So if you start your day with all 1064 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 3: these winds stuck in, all these wins, man like you, 1065 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,160 Speaker 3: you you go to sleep feeling so accomplished. You know. 1066 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: I find it also nourishes you in that. Especially when 1067 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 1: I was in the cops, like I'd like the train 1068 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: early in the morning, a job could come in and 1069 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,399 Speaker 1: that means I'm not going to be able to train, 1070 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to be working through the night. But I 1071 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 1: was happy, and a couple of people I worked with 1072 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,920 Speaker 1: that I would train with we're happy if we got 1073 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: our training done and it didn't matter what happenediable because 1074 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: we've done something. I felt like it was doing something 1075 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:51,440 Speaker 1: something for yourself. Look, they're simple, what you've described, and 1076 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,160 Speaker 1: when you when you break it down, it seems so 1077 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 1: simple in the way that you describe it. But it's 1078 00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,120 Speaker 1: something that we've forgotten in life, isn't it. 1079 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's just it. It's so simple. It's just 1080 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 3: not easy. Yeah, it's just like, you know, the actual 1081 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,239 Speaker 3: formulae is so fucking simple. Like it's just like it's 1082 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,560 Speaker 3: understanding what you want, you know, creating a structure of 1083 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,879 Speaker 3: process to get it, you know, and then the only 1084 00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,120 Speaker 3: hard part is just committing yourself every day to do 1085 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 3: it in regardless of how you feel. You know, people's feelings, 1086 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 3: you know, are so fucking that they're controlling their lives, 1087 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,040 Speaker 3: you know, and they're they're they're sabotage in their life 1088 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,439 Speaker 3: because of their feelings. I listen to their feelings rather 1089 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,839 Speaker 3: than sort of like, you know, you know that they're 1090 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 3: getting suck into the instant gratification of a sleeping or 1091 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,600 Speaker 3: a cheap meal or like a fucking you know, or 1092 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,320 Speaker 3: something quick, rather than sort of like you know, prolonging 1093 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:48,440 Speaker 3: their gratification to their fucking their goal, to the to 1094 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 3: the purpose the promises that are made to themselves. 1095 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look you're you're living, breathing proof that you 1096 00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: can turn your life around like that. 1097 00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,160 Speaker 2: The path that you're on. 1098 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 1: And look at now when you're talking, I haven't interrupted 1099 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: much because I can see you're just the passion is 1100 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: coming out and the excitement of what you're doing and 1101 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,439 Speaker 1: what you're what you're achieving. Where do you You've got 1102 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,399 Speaker 1: plans future? Where do you where do you see yourself? Yeah? 1103 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 3: I mean right now, like i'man you know, I'm a 1104 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,919 Speaker 3: full dial in mode with hope, with hope and health 1105 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 3: and stuff like that too. I would like to get 1106 00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,919 Speaker 3: myself to the stage where you know, I'll probably slow 1107 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 3: down a little bit more and stuff too, and then 1108 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 3: I may be in that space I can actually have 1109 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,400 Speaker 3: a proper relationship and sort of meet meet my partner's 1110 00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,759 Speaker 3: needs and stuff like that, and. 1111 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 2: Like you know, and give them what that is. 1112 00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,320 Speaker 1: I share, share your pain my Like I've been passionate 1113 00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,719 Speaker 1: with my work and doing stuff and the relationships have 1114 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 1: been up and down and all that, so I know 1115 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,359 Speaker 1: what you're saying. And when it's all said and done, 1116 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,440 Speaker 1: when you've got everything your t tick tick, you're feeling 1117 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,799 Speaker 1: good about yourself, that the next thing is is find 1118 00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,279 Speaker 1: your self someone that you're you're happy to spend time with. 1119 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. 1120 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 3: And you know, like I don't believe that, you know, 1121 00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 3: you need to have it all all the time. You know, 1122 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 3: I believe there's times and places for things and and 1123 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,000 Speaker 3: right now, like you know, getting you know, getting this 1124 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,759 Speaker 3: vision where I want to get it to is just 1125 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,080 Speaker 3: that's that's where, that's where I want to put my focus, 1126 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,800 Speaker 3: what I want to put my energy on and stuff 1127 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,640 Speaker 3: like that too. So I go, right now, I'm giving 1128 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,520 Speaker 3: that time. But yeah, you know, long long term, long term, 1129 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,439 Speaker 3: I want to be able to. 1130 00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,400 Speaker 2: Do more of my coaching stuff. 1131 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,240 Speaker 3: I want this re ad to go out on big scale, 1132 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 3: you know, I want this to be you know, I 1133 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:37,960 Speaker 3: wanted to be all over the country. I want everyone 1134 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,359 Speaker 3: to be able to have access to it all over 1135 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,120 Speaker 3: the place, you know, because I think it's I think 1136 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,880 Speaker 3: it's that I think it's such an important option to 1137 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 3: have for anyone, you know. But like you know, when 1138 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 3: when you're when you're getting you know, funding from like 1139 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,240 Speaker 3: you know, government bodies like d v A or workover 1140 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,440 Speaker 3: or whatever. You know, you've got to do things a 1141 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 3: certain way, to conform, to perform a certain way too, 1142 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 3: like you know, even though, like you know, even though 1143 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 3: we have a specific way of doing it, and they're like, 1144 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,919 Speaker 3: you know, it's great, you know, but I love doing 1145 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,080 Speaker 3: coaching stuff too, which is the stuff I do on 1146 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,320 Speaker 3: the you know, on the side, you know, because I 1147 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,440 Speaker 3: feel like I can do so intimately. I do it 1148 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,720 Speaker 3: one on one. I don't do these group zoom calls. 1149 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 3: I do one on one coaching with my clients. It's 1150 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 3: the way I do it, you know, Like and like 1151 00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,120 Speaker 3: I just love doing that, you know. It's like I 1152 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 3: can I feel like I get to know my client 1153 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,840 Speaker 3: really really well, and I can sort of shift his 1154 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,360 Speaker 3: program to suit him better. And I just love it, 1155 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,200 Speaker 3: you know, And like. 1156 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,880 Speaker 1: It's good for the soul if you're helping helping people, 1157 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, find a business and what you're doing and 1158 00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 1: the passion for what you're doing and helping helping people. 1159 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,359 Speaker 1: So if people want to find out about Hope in Health, 1160 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,480 Speaker 1: where can they find you? 1161 00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 3: Our website is ww dot Hope Inhealth dot com, dot 1162 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,799 Speaker 3: au uh and then like an inquiry email there which 1163 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 3: will we'll get email to you myself an intake manager, 1164 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 3: and we'll get back on. 1165 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: Oh look good good stuff. And I like the fact. 1166 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,600 Speaker 1: Also what you're saying is that it's an option. Yeah, 1167 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: consider it. You're not saying this doesn't work or this 1168 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: one's better than that. 1169 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,000 Speaker 2: This is an option. Have a look at it for sure. 1170 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,400 Speaker 3: For sure. Yeah, you know, not about that, not in 1171 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,640 Speaker 3: competition with anyone, So it's not about competition. We want 1172 00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 3: to make sure that you know, we refer other people 1173 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 3: onto other realps, you know, if we feel like, yeah, 1174 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,479 Speaker 3: if we feel like we're actually not the best option, 1175 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,239 Speaker 3: but particularly we'll fare them on. 1176 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,120 Speaker 2: But we are. 1177 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,520 Speaker 3: You know, we believe we are a really good option 1178 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:45,160 Speaker 3: for you know, a huge for a huge percentage of 1179 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,480 Speaker 3: people with addiction. You know, because of our individualized approach, 1180 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,799 Speaker 3: we feel like we can we can, we can nearly 1181 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 3: reach everyone. 1182 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,359 Speaker 1: Well, you got that lived experience, and I think that 1183 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,360 Speaker 1: carries carries a lot too. But look, full credit to 1184 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,680 Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I like your take on take 1185 00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,160 Speaker 1: on life. You've taken a little way to get there, 1186 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 1: a few few up ups and downs, but yeah, it's 1187 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 1: made you the person you are now and you're doing 1188 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 1: some good work, so full credit to you. And let's 1189 00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: thank our mate ron Isherwood for putting us in touch 1190 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 1: the EPET. 1191 00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:19,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, what a legend. 1192 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,839 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, class class person. So thanks very much. 1193 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,239 Speaker 2: Good on, Gary, Thank you so much. Matte really appreciate it. 1194 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:26,800 Speaker 2: Cheers