Speaker 1: Why on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening and I have a massive show ahead tonight.
Speaker 2: Insiders reveal panic in the Albanese government that Trump could
Speaker 2: be about to win the election. The mistake Albanzi has
Speaker 2: already made. More on this story in a minute. Also tonight,
Speaker 2: I can exclusively reveal a Jewish SBS journalist is considering
Speaker 2: legal action after the public broadcaster censored interviews that were
Speaker 2: positive towards Israel. This includes an interview with Richard Kemp
Speaker 2: which SBS completely removed from online. This is an explosive
Speaker 2: story only here in a moment, and Lydia Thorpe accused
Speaker 2: of hypocrisy over accepting largess like Chairman's lounge membership, Whilest
Speaker 2: slamming the Commonwealth class. I've got the polling pointing to
Speaker 2: a Dutton victory. Upholster will give us the inside. Das
Speaker 2: tells live and an exclusive interview with a world leading
Speaker 2: authority on urban warfare. He reveals whether Israel is truly
Speaker 2: committing war crimes. Holly hre Is, Michael Kroger, Graham, Richardson,
Speaker 2: Daniel Melino, John Spencer and Moore Or coming up on
Speaker 2: the show. But first, the Albaneze government is getting nervous
Speaker 2: about the possibility of a Trump win, which is looking
Speaker 2: more likely by the day. The race is tight, it
Speaker 2: could go either way, but Trump is inching ahead in
Speaker 2: the seven Swing States. Momentum is now in his favor,
Speaker 2: with Kamala Harris bizarrely taking a day off today, just
Speaker 2: two weeks out from the election.
Speaker 3: Gooda hell takes off your fourteen days left, and she'll
Speaker 3: take a couple of more days off too. You know why.
Speaker 3: She's lazy as hell, and she's got that reputation. She's
Speaker 3: a radical left lunatic. She's further left than Bernie Sanders
Speaker 3: or PoCA Hunters.
Speaker 2: Labor is now panicking at the thought of a Donald
Speaker 2: Trump presidency. One labour sauce told me today, people were
Speaker 2: relieved that Biden left because they were worried that Trump
Speaker 2: was going to win. They were openly excited about Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris coming in, and now they're worried about Trump again.
Speaker 2: Another senior political figure put it more bluntly when he said,
Speaker 2: and I quote the Albanezy government and defat were where
Speaker 2: you can read the rest of that sentence for yourselves.
Speaker 2: Albin Ezi and Donald Trump couldn't be more different. Their
Speaker 2: views on fundamental policy areas just world's apart. This is
Speaker 2: the case for everything from a climate change to Israel,
Speaker 2: to immigration to China to energy. Climate change is one
Speaker 2: of Albanzi's top concerns, but Trump has previously described climate
Speaker 2: science as a hoax.
Speaker 4: Taking advantage all the global transition to net zero. That
Speaker 4: is so important. We have a forty three percent reduction
Speaker 4: target by twenty thirty. That just sided in net zero
Speaker 4: by twenty fifty.
Speaker 1: That just said, I haven't heard, Mike, I haven't heard.
Speaker 3: They don't ever talk about the environment anymore. You know why, Mike,
Speaker 3: you said, don't talk about it now? No, it's one
Speaker 3: of the great scams of all time. You know why
Speaker 3: they don't talk about it because people aren't buying it anymore.
Speaker 2: Trump previously pulled out of the Paris Agreement, and he
Speaker 2: could have gained withdraw from international targets. He won't want
Speaker 2: climate to be a major feature of the Quad as
Speaker 2: it has been with Joe Biden and alban Easy. Their
Speaker 2: positions on Israel as well. This is alban Easy and
Speaker 2: Trump's couldn't be more different. Trump unequivocally supports Israel. He
Speaker 2: moved America's embassy to Jerusalem during his time in office,
Speaker 2: but Albin Easy has spent much of his parliamentary Korea
Speaker 2: as an anti Israel campaigner, even yelling into a microphone
Speaker 2: at a pro Palestinian rally.
Speaker 4: We encourage all parties to engage constructively to de escalate
Speaker 4: the current tensions. International humanitarian war must be respected. We
Speaker 4: also reiterate our call for an immediate cease firing Gaza.
Speaker 3: And when I'm back in the Oval Office, I will
Speaker 3: support Israel's rate to win its war on Terra. They
Speaker 3: have to have a right to win the war, thank you,
Speaker 3: and I will give Israel the support that it needs
Speaker 3: to win, but I do want them to win fairs.
Speaker 2: Now, there's already a concerning gap between Alban Easy and
Speaker 2: Joe Biden when it comes to support for Israel. In
Speaker 2: one glaring example, the Biden administration was deeply disappointed that
Speaker 2: Penniwong refused to vote against that Prohamus resolution that was
Speaker 2: put forward by the Palestinian leadership and the United Nations
Speaker 2: General Assembly recently, and Penniwang, when she was over in
Speaker 2: the States met with the Palestinian leadership, but she didn't
Speaker 2: even sit in Congress to listen to Netanyahu's speech. Under Trump,
Speaker 2: the differences will be even more stark. And then there's immigration.
Speaker 2: Trump signed in executive order banning people from six Muslim
Speaker 2: majority countries from entering the US back in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: but meanwhile, Anthony Alberezi issued nearly three thousand visas to
Speaker 2: Gazans despite serious concerns about security vetting in the Hamas
Speaker 2: controlled territory.
Speaker 4: A whole group of people who are suffering enormously, something
Speaker 4: that we see on our TV screens every night. We
Speaker 4: have when it comes to security processes. We have five
Speaker 4: in our intelligence agents.
Speaker 5: We do not need our once great cities to become
Speaker 5: hotbeds of terrorism. And on day one of the Trump presidency,
Speaker 5: I'm restoring the travel band, suspending refugee admissions, and keeping
Speaker 5: terrorists the hell out of our country like I had
Speaker 5: it before.
Speaker 2: If Trump does become president in just under two weeks,
Speaker 2: there'll be deep disappointment in the senior ranks of the
Speaker 2: Albanese government. One figure familiar with the Trump camp told
Speaker 2: me today that Trump will be well briefed on how
Speaker 2: left wing Albanzi and Penny Wong have been. They said
Speaker 2: that Trump will have a cursory call with Albinizi, but
Speaker 2: then he won't bother with him because he's got an election.
Speaker 2: He'll think that he's probably going to lose, and everyone
Speaker 2: tells him Dutton is a good guy. In fact, this
Speaker 2: told me that Albanzi has already made a mistake because
Speaker 2: he didn't phone Trump after the assassination attempt. Other world
Speaker 2: leaders like Keir Starmer did. In fact, the only Australian
Speaker 2: who's spoken to Trump personally in the last year and
Speaker 2: maybe even more, is Scott Morrison. But it's also not
Speaker 2: a good starting point that Albanezy appointed Rudd Kevin Rudd
Speaker 2: as ambassador to the United States, despite the fact he
Speaker 2: described Trump in the past as nuts, a traitor to
Speaker 2: the West and guilty of rancid treachery.
Speaker 6: And Donald as we know, is not.
Speaker 1: A leading intellectual force.
Speaker 6: Have you looked at a Trump rally and how many
Speaker 6: angry white men there are in those rallies.
Speaker 2: Now it has to be said that Rudd is now
Speaker 2: working overtime to forge connections in the Republican Party and
Speaker 2: I'm told he's making headway. Sure, but what he said
Speaker 2: can't be unset and that's why he wasn't a wise appointment.
Speaker 2: His past comments might be forgiven, they won't be forgotten
Speaker 2: and this isn't going to help australia national interest. And Trump,
Speaker 2: for one, certainly hasn't forgotten them.
Speaker 3: I don't know much about him. I heard he was
Speaker 3: a little bit nasty. I hear he's not the brightest bulb.
Speaker 3: But I don't know much about him. But if he's
Speaker 3: at all hostile, he will not.
Speaker 7: Be there long.
Speaker 2: One senior figure said to me today that Kevin Rudd
Speaker 2: has put his head down and he's working hard to
Speaker 2: rebuild relationships, but they doubt he'll be invited around for
Speaker 2: margaritas at Marilago. The confidence meanwhile, in the Trump camp
Speaker 2: is growing. Fourteen days out, Real cleopolling has trumped slightly
Speaker 2: ahead by one point one percent in the seven battleground
Speaker 2: states that will decide the outcome of this election, and
Speaker 2: of course that's Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina
Speaker 2: and Nevada. And nationally, according to Real Clear Politics, Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris does lead by zero point nine percent. Four years ago,
Speaker 2: Joe Biden was ahead at this point in the campaign
Speaker 2: by seven point nine percent. That's a major difference. Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris has enjoyed a honeymoon period for most of the campaign,
Speaker 2: and she initially surged ahead of Biden's position, But in
Speaker 2: recent weeks there've been lingering questions over what she stands for,
Speaker 2: how she'd be different from the Biden administration, and there
Speaker 2: are concerns over her ability to deal with media scrutiny.
Speaker 2: Her performance when under serious questioning from Brett Bayer was disastrous.
Speaker 2: That was pitiful for a presidential candidate. She's failed to
Speaker 2: explain whether she's changed her views from the radical positions
Speaker 2: she took in the past, and this has led to
Speaker 2: devastatingly effective adverts like this one.
Speaker 8: Kamala supports taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners.
Speaker 7: Surgery for prisoners, for prisoners, every time transgender in me
Speaker 7: in the prison system would have access.
Speaker 2: The polls are close, and there'll be a sigh of
Speaker 2: relief from the Albaneze government if there is a Harris presidency,
Speaker 2: but most informed commentators are at this point telling me
Speaker 2: they're expecting a narrow Trump victory. Now to our major
Speaker 2: exclusive story tonight, the SBS has censored interviews with prominent
Speaker 2: international figures like Colonel Richard Kemp because they were too
Speaker 2: supportive of israel I can Tonight reveal that SBS has removed, edited,
Speaker 2: or refused to run four interviews that presented Israel's side
Speaker 2: of the story, and the public broadcaster has claimed that
Speaker 2: they didn't meet their editorial standards. A Jewish SBS journalist
Speaker 2: I met Rehak, who did these interviews, is now considering
Speaker 2: legal action. He resigned in August. Now. SBS removed from
Speaker 2: online an interview that did with distinguished British Commander Richard Kemp,
Speaker 2: in which he said that Israel was taking care not
Speaker 2: to kill civilians. Amit also did an interview with a
Speaker 2: relative of a hostage, but it was never broadcast. Management
Speaker 2: told him he couldn't broadcast it a relative of a hostage.
Speaker 2: I also understand that SBS was unhappy with an interview
Speaker 2: with an anti Semitism activist from Germany, Oriana Mari Gruger.
Speaker 2: SBS management edited amits interview to remove a section where
Speaker 2: she gave her opinion on the Israel Gaza war, saying
Speaker 2: that the state of Israel was being demonized. That was
Speaker 2: her opinion. In a formal letter, the public broadcaster accused
Speaker 2: AMT of a breach of policy, claiming that his interviews
Speaker 2: lacked balance, impartiality and didn't have a wide representation of views. Now,
Speaker 2: Richard Kemp is a distinguished figure. He led the British
Speaker 2: Army in Iraq and Afghanistan. Like Israel's allies Australia and
Speaker 2: the United States, Britain has supported Israel's fight against terror. Now,
Speaker 2: I had Richard Kemp in my program when I was
Speaker 2: in Israel, and this is what he said.
Speaker 6: The leaders in these Western countries understand the threat, they
Speaker 6: know that Israel's doing the right thing. They're just afraid
Speaker 6: of a country standing up for itself. They've forgotten how
Speaker 6: a country needs to stand up for yourself to survive.
Speaker 2: Is that a man who should be censored, who should
Speaker 2: have his whole interview removed from online as SBS did.
Speaker 2: We can presume that Richard Kemp did make similarly support
Speaker 2: of comments of Israel in his interview with SBS, as
Speaker 2: is his right and even duty as a high profile
Speaker 2: commander who has personally fought terrorism. Ffteen minute interview with
Speaker 2: Kemp did go to air on SBS radio in late May.
Speaker 2: It was published online, but a few hours later was
Speaker 2: removed emit later received a formal reprimand from SBS, where
Speaker 2: his managers accused him of a lack of challenging questions
Speaker 2: and bias. The letter said the interview lacked impartiality and balance,
Speaker 2: had leading questions, and that there was a lack of
Speaker 2: representation of multiple perspectives and insufficient critical follow up. This
Speaker 2: is extraordinary a journalist respectfully allowing a senior war commander
Speaker 2: to have his say, and he receives a formal letter
Speaker 2: accusing him of breach of employment. We've all seen interviews
Speaker 2: from the ABC and SBS where the journalists don't ask
Speaker 2: tough questions and they show anti Israel bias. Yet have
Speaker 2: you ever heard of a formal will reprimand before SBS
Speaker 2: tonight In a statement to me, they admitted to the censorship.
Speaker 2: They said the two stories you raise were reviewed and
Speaker 2: edited or removed as they did not meet our editorial
Speaker 2: standards of balance and impartiality. They said SBS does not
Speaker 2: take editorial positions and is committed to accuracy, balance and
Speaker 2: impartiality in all its coverage, including in relation to the
Speaker 2: current conflict in Israel. Gaza and Lebanon. Now, both SBS
Speaker 2: and ABC have published interviews with the likes of Anthony Lowenstein,
Speaker 2: along with others who are highly critical of Israel, and
Speaker 2: their views are egregious in my view. They often utter
Speaker 2: false accusations against the Jewish state. Now SBS has also
Speaker 2: made separate allegations against Omit, which he strongly denies. Amitt
Speaker 2: had worked at the broadcaster for twelve years and he'd
Speaker 2: expect to continue his journalistic career there. He's been distressed,
Speaker 2: upset and shocked at the censorship and the allegations. For
Speaker 2: three months now, SBS has not broadcast it's Hebrew language
Speaker 2: broadcast for the first time in fifty years. SBS admitted this,
Speaker 2: and they said to me that it was currently in
Speaker 2: recess after emits resignation. They said that resuming this service
Speaker 2: was a high priority. All right, Well, to discuss this,
Speaker 2: let's bring in now former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael
Speaker 2: Kroger and former Labor minister Graham Richardson. Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2: Now I know you both you're both hearing that story
Speaker 2: for the first time. They're that exclusive report that SBS
Speaker 2: has censored interviews, including with world famous British commander Richard Kemp. Michael,
Speaker 2: what's your reaction to this?
Speaker 9: Well, it's extremely distressing. In the SBS response, show will
Speaker 9: have to be a lot stronger than the one they
Speaker 9: gave you tonight. I've met Richard Camp, he's been in Australia.
Speaker 9: I've seen a film he produced. He's an outstanding commentator.
Speaker 9: His will record is, as you said, well known. It's
Speaker 9: distressing because SBS, much like the ABC, appears to be
Speaker 9: wandering into this territory that anything that is seen to
Speaker 9: be pro Israel or defending Israel is seen to be
Speaker 9: one sided and not warranting publications. So you've got this
Speaker 9: extremely subjective view of balance and questioning, etc. I must
Speaker 9: say I was very unconvinced by their responses, and let's
Speaker 9: hope in the next few days they can do better, Shari,
Speaker 9: because on face value, this looks like very strong censorship
Speaker 9: of a reasonably pro Israel position, which you need for
Speaker 9: balance on the public broadcasters.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I think we forget that isral
Speaker 2: is actually Australia's ally and that the terrorists are the enemy. Here.
Speaker 2: This seems to be forgotten, Richo, because SBS is censoring
Speaker 2: anyone that's put forward Israel's position. Richard Kemp, the family
Speaker 2: member of a hostage. How can this be sensitive and
Speaker 2: yet they're happy to run the likes of Anthony Lowenstein,
Speaker 2: who in many interviews accuses Israel are the most egregious
Speaker 2: war crimes. Graham Richardson.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I must say I find it a little curious
Speaker 10: that SBS would be would be going in this direction.
Speaker 10: There's no need to, there's no evidence, and yet they
Speaker 10: seem to be increasingly anti Israel. I don't know why.
Speaker 10: But I'll tell you what. If I was the boss
Speaker 10: of the SBS, somebody's bummerd get kicked, and I'd say,
Speaker 10: I don't expect you to be all the way with Israel,
Speaker 10: but I do expect you to be fair and not
Speaker 10: be all the way with the PLO. And I just
Speaker 10: don't think that that mesa is getting across.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also want to ask both of your views
Speaker 2: on the other topic I spoke about just then, how
Speaker 2: nervous the Albanezy government is becoming at the prospect of
Speaker 2: a Trump presidency. Michael, this would be very difficult for
Speaker 2: the left wing Albo and Pennywong to deal with.
Speaker 1: Well, it would be.
Speaker 9: You know, Trump's obviously made those public comments about Kevin Rudd,
Speaker 9: and you can be rest assured that people will remind
Speaker 9: Trump of those remarks if he gets three elected. Despite
Speaker 9: Kevin scurrying around Washington trying to say no, no, no,
Speaker 9: I'm actually a good guy. I think he'll either have
Speaker 9: to be recalled or he'll just you know, have his
Speaker 9: term shortened by Peter Dutton if Peter Dutt wins. But
Speaker 9: you clearly can't have someone in Washington who's called Trump
Speaker 9: crazy in a danger and I mean, you know Trump's
Speaker 9: not going to put up with that. So obviously it's
Speaker 9: going to be difficult for Australia if he remains ambassador
Speaker 9: if Trump is elected.
Speaker 2: But it's not only about Kevin rud Richo. It's also
Speaker 2: crucial and fundamental differences on central policy areas, the different
Speaker 2: positions on China, the different positions on Israel, the different
Speaker 2: positions on climate change. This will be difficult for the
Speaker 2: Albanezy government to deal with if Trump does win.
Speaker 10: Difficult, but not impossible.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 10: I can't see how Kevin Rudd can deal with them
Speaker 10: at all. You know, he's positioned in regards to Trump
Speaker 10: is simply not capable of being rescued. You know, you
Speaker 10: can't say what he has said about Trump and then
Speaker 10: turn around the next day and say, by the way,
Speaker 10: I think he's a good bloke. No one will accept that.
Speaker 10: I think that's a real problem. I think you know
Speaker 10: what's going to happen is that somebody's got to get
Speaker 10: that big hook and just get him off the stage.
Speaker 2: Well, you are, you are an out and out Kamala
Speaker 2: har I supporter, Richard. We'll see how only a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks and then we'll be breaking down the results
Speaker 2: here on a Wednesday night, because you both are regulars
Speaker 2: on a Wednesday. Now Lydia Thorpe's hypocrisy is being exposed
Speaker 2: after she pulled that embarrassing stunt in front of the
Speaker 2: Royals on Monday. It has now been revealed that she
Speaker 2: enjoys all the pucks that come with participating in colonial
Speaker 2: structures like taxpayer funded into state travel. She even has
Speaker 2: a membership to the exclusive VIP Quantus chairman's lounge along
Speaker 2: with other politicians. Michael, do you think there is an argument,
Speaker 2: and I've seen others express legal arguments behind it for
Speaker 2: her to now resign.
Speaker 9: Well, there's no obligation on her to resign, but look,
Speaker 9: you know, the practical things is she's stolen that seat
Speaker 9: from the Greens. You know, she wasn't elected because she
Speaker 9: was Lydia Thorpe. She was elected because she was a
Speaker 9: Green number one on the Green's ticket, and that's why
Speaker 9: she got elected. She stolen the seat from the Greens.
Speaker 9: She should hand it back. She's complicit in theft. She's
Speaker 9: taken something from the Greens and she should hand it back.
Speaker 9: But you know what hypocrisy I mean, you know the
Speaker 9: colonial structures. I mean, there she is sitting in one
Speaker 9: of the great parliaments of the world on two hundred
Speaker 9: and sixty thousand dollars plus souper and other benefits. It's
Speaker 9: probably a package of three hundred thousand dollars or more
Speaker 9: when you add in airfares and flights and everything else.
Speaker 9: I mean, what a hypocrite sitting there on three hundred
Speaker 9: thousand and complaining, well, you know, there's fifteen or sixteen
Speaker 9: or eighteen million adult Australians. It's what places with her tomorrow?
Speaker 9: Shari quite frankly, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary salary rich so she clearly just takes
Speaker 2: it for granted.
Speaker 10: Yeah she does. I mean, she's just a huge pain
Speaker 10: in our political bum and the sooner we get rid
Speaker 10: of the better. I don't think that there's any saving
Speaker 10: graces with her at all. I can't think of one
Speaker 10: reason why she should remain in the parliament, particularly if
Speaker 10: we're so bad, If this is such a terrible nation,
Speaker 10: why does she want to serve in the parliament.
Speaker 2: No, it's a very good point. You'd have to think,
Speaker 2: why did she swear allegiance to the Commonwealth if she
Speaker 2: feels this way so strongly. But as I've said all week,
Speaker 2: I strongly think this is Albanesi's fault because he shouldn't
Speaker 2: have invited her to this prestigious reception. Anyone could have
Speaker 2: told you that this is how she was going to
Speaker 2: carry on. There's no opportunity, there's no event where she
Speaker 2: doesn't stage a protest. So this is on them and
Speaker 2: it has humiliated the whole country on the international stage. Right,
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, Grahem Richardson, thank you both for your time. Now.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is struggling to claw back popularity among voters,
Speaker 2: with the latest Freshwater Strategy poll revealing that Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: is closing in on Anthony Alberanzi as preferred prime minister. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the Coalition continues as the favorite and the two party
Speaker 2: preferred vote, with a clear majority of voters saying that
Speaker 2: the country is headed in the wrong direction. Well, this
Speaker 2: is extraordinary, these results. It shows the momentum is in
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's favor. To bring it down. Let's bring in
Speaker 2: now the director of Freshwater Strategy, the polling phone that
Speaker 2: did those figures, Leo Shanahan and Leo joines me here now, Lea,
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. Look, what are the key
Speaker 2: issues that you'll finding are behind this momentum that's giving
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton the support.
Speaker 11: Look, it's that key issue of cost and standard of
Speaker 11: living and we've been seeing that for a long time now.
Speaker 11: But the government is struggling to make up any ground.
Speaker 11: It's lost over twenty four points on that very point
Speaker 11: in the last year and it's living costs. Housing is
Speaker 11: another one, Housing and cost of housing, managing the economy
Speaker 11: a third, health and social care, and then crime and
Speaker 11: social order. But the interesting thing is when you look
Speaker 11: at those top five issues, the Coalition is winning out
Speaker 11: of four of them. Now that will drive the vote
Speaker 11: towards the coalition. So as pulses, you look to not
Speaker 11: just the pure numbers, but what are the issues? What
Speaker 11: are those issues driving those numbers, and in this case
Speaker 11: the cost of standard of living as we've talked about
Speaker 11: housing accommodation. But it's interesting that crime and social order
Speaker 11: too is now in that top five list. And we
Speaker 11: can speak about Queensland, but it's obviously a major issue
Speaker 11: in that election as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, so one of the biggest issues affecting voters
Speaker 2: housing aforidability. We know there's a crisis in Australia at
Speaker 2: the moment. You would have been in the field when
Speaker 2: the news broke that Albanezy had bought a four point
Speaker 2: three million dollar cliff top mansion. How do you think
Speaker 2: this has impacted his perception among Australians.
Speaker 11: Look, it's interesting because in the last since our last
Speaker 11: poll in this month, in the October poll, we did
Speaker 11: have Peter Dutton coming within one point. As you've said,
Speaker 11: on preferred Prime minister, it has never happened before. It's
Speaker 11: forty four to forty three now and that's the closest
Speaker 11: he's been on preferred Prime minister. The two pp hasn't
Speaker 11: changed a lot, but the Coalition is still ahead now
Speaker 11: reflecting in newspoll as well. So the trend is very
Speaker 11: much in the wrong direction for the government on this
Speaker 11: issue itself. Look, people, thirty six percent voters say that
Speaker 11: their perception of him is worse as a result of
Speaker 11: this decision. A majority fifty two percent say the purchase
Speaker 11: had no impact on their view of him, and a
Speaker 11: small percentage or actually quite in favor must be those investors.
Speaker 11: But look, it should be said on this point. I mean,
Speaker 11: I don't think it's really fundamentally hurt the government or
Speaker 11: the Prime Minister personally, because if you break down those.
Speaker 2: Numbers, well, it has thirty six percent of voters say
Speaker 2: they have a worse view of him.
Speaker 11: If you look at those voters, those are voters that
Speaker 11: already had a negative perception of him, among Green's voters
Speaker 11: and particularly among a hard line of Coalition photos. So
Speaker 11: generally speaking, his personal his personal decisions in his investments
Speaker 11: hasn't really hurt. It's those fundamental issues that is hurting
Speaker 11: the government.
Speaker 2: We're seeing the Queensland election on Saturday. The polls had
Speaker 2: been showing that it would be allow inside win for
Speaker 2: David CHRISTI. Fully, we're now seeing that Labor appears to
Speaker 2: be closing the gap somewhat do you think the L
Speaker 2: and P will still be able to win a majority government?
Speaker 11: Oh well, look, I think it firstly should be said
Speaker 11: that it was never going to be easy for David
Speaker 11: CHRISTI fully. I mean, this is only the third time
Speaker 11: since nineteen eighty nine. Well, yes, it's only the third
Speaker 11: time since nineteen eighty nine they'd aim for a majority
Speaker 11: government and you see the dominance of the Labor Party
Speaker 11: in queens Now. He needs those twelve seats, he should
Speaker 11: get them. But the assumption that this is going to
Speaker 11: be a lay down masaire, I think is a little misguided. Look,
Speaker 11: I think they'll win, but it won't be as easy
Speaker 11: as many people think. I think those key issues though,
Speaker 11: of crime, where David Crysta full in the LMP of
Speaker 11: campaigned very well and it just shows up its showing
Speaker 11: up in the numbers now nationally. We saw last night
Speaker 11: the Sky News debate in Queensland, one of ten of
Speaker 11: those audience members were affected by crime, and I think
Speaker 11: that has shown to be the key issue. I think
Speaker 11: this abortion issue was a bit of a distraction. Labor
Speaker 11: made some ground on it, but since the Catter parties
Speaker 11: have effectively seated on that point, I don't think it's
Speaker 11: really going to be as damaging. So look, I think
Speaker 11: you'll get David chrystal Fully's premier comes Saturday night. But
Speaker 11: I don't think it's going to be as easy as
Speaker 11: many people say. And it's never going to be easy
Speaker 11: in Queensland because of the way Queensland is structured between
Speaker 11: the city, the Southeast Queensland, these suburban sprawl in the regions.
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, Leah Shanahan, really appreciate your time. That
Speaker 2: was fascinating, Thank you, Thank you. Now still to come
Speaker 2: the connections behind Labour's Future Made in US Australia policy.
Speaker 2: This has now been called the Future Mates policy. This
Speaker 2: is making it more than a gravy train of easy money.
Speaker 2: Plus alban Easy lectures us about renewables being the cheapest
Speaker 2: form of energy, but this was contradicted in an astonishing
Speaker 2: Senate inquiry Today. All of this plus my exclusive interview
Speaker 2: with the Warfare Expert coming up on the show Welcome
Speaker 2: Back Well. The minute that the Albanezi government announced its
Speaker 2: Future Made in Australia policy worth billions of dollars, eyebrows
Speaker 2: were raised, especially over the eyewatering one billion dollar investment
Speaker 2: into American company sigh quantum to build a quantum computer. Now,
Speaker 2: As my regular guest on this show, Cameron Milner put
Speaker 2: it in The Nightly, there's now a stench hanging over
Speaker 2: Labour's signature policy. He says this is more appropriately known
Speaker 2: as future made for mates. He argues this because, he says,
Speaker 2: it's become little more than a gravy train of easy
Speaker 2: money and taxpayer funds at that he is uncovered in
Speaker 2: this article he's published in The Nightly a spiderweb of
Speaker 2: labor aligned connections that PSI Quantum has, including an economics
Speaker 2: firm Mandala headed by a former Labour staffer, amidst Singh.
Speaker 2: He also says there's links between Blackbird Ventures and various
Speaker 2: friends in the labor party. Well, someone else who's been
Speaker 2: following this very closely is Shadow Minister for Science and
Speaker 2: the Arts, Paul Fletcher, and he joins me, Now, Paul,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. What can you
Speaker 2: tell me, because you've already uncovered some of these labor
Speaker 2: connections yourself, You've been on the case from the beginning.
Speaker 2: What can you tell me about some of the labor
Speaker 2: connections behind this billion dollar grant to this quantum computing
Speaker 2: company that isn't even based in Australia.
Speaker 10: You're right.
Speaker 12: PSI Quantum is based in the US and this extraor
Speaker 12: her decision was announced in April this year that the
Speaker 12: Commonwealth and Queensland Labor governments were jointly going to invest
Speaker 12: almost a billion dollars of taxpayers money. Now, as Cameron
Speaker 12: Milner has pointed out, and of course as a former
Speaker 12: Queensland Labor State Secretary he knows the labor culture very well,
Speaker 12: there's a lot of very well connected former labor staffers
Speaker 12: involved in providing advice to PI Quantum. So for example,
Speaker 12: there's a company called Brookline Advisory which was retained by
Speaker 12: SI Quantum. Lydia Ivanowski is former chief of staff to
Speaker 12: Richard Miles Jered Richardson as a former advisor to Charmers.
Speaker 12: As the company you mentioned Mandala, which are economic advisors,
Speaker 12: they produced a report saying what a great piece of
Speaker 12: economic policy. This was paid for, of course by SI Quantum.
Speaker 12: What we also know is that two executives of Blackbird
Speaker 12: Ventures were appointed by Ed Husick. Two important committees, so
Speaker 12: the National Quantum Advisory Committee, A lady called Claire Birch,
Speaker 12: who's a sener executive at Blackbird, and a lady called
Speaker 12: Kate Glazebrook was appointed to the Industry, Innovation and Science
Speaker 12: Australia Board in December twenty twenty two. Now, the importance
Speaker 12: of this is that Blackbird is a major investor in
Speaker 12: side Quantum. Side Quantum has raised money over for funding rounds,
Speaker 12: so they've got a lot of investors. No criticism of
Speaker 12: them for doing that. One of those investors is Blackbird
Speaker 12: in Australian venture capital business. No problem with being a
Speaker 12: venture capital business. But the question for taxpayers is in
Speaker 12: view of the fact that Blackbird is an investor in
Speaker 12: si Quantum and that once this announcement of a big
Speaker 12: government investment was made it was going to boost the
Speaker 12: value of the existing investments. What processes were put in
Speaker 12: place to manage any conflicts of interest in the decision
Speaker 12: being made by Minister Hugh Sick and his office.
Speaker 2: The problem is this is actually a massive story. This
Speaker 2: is a very big story, pol but it's hard to
Speaker 2: explain it, I think to people. I think one of
Speaker 2: the major issues as well that I want to ask
Speaker 2: you about is the timeline for this. When did Blackbird
Speaker 2: start getting involved in these discussions compared to other firms.
Speaker 12: Well, what we know is that psy Quantum approached the
Speaker 12: Australian government in mid to late twenty twenty two sprooking,
Speaker 12: making an unsolicited offer for the Australian Government to invest.
Speaker 12: We know that Minister Husick met with them twice in
Speaker 12: twenty twenty two, including in December twenty twenty two, and
Speaker 12: then in January twenty twenty three he visited py Quantum's
Speaker 12: head office in California. Now this is at the same
Speaker 12: time that other Australian quantum businesses like Silicon Quantum Computing,
Speaker 12: Durrak Quantum, Brilliance qu Control, the industry generally was being
Speaker 12: told there is no money for quantum. You just have
Speaker 12: to apply through the National Reconstruction Fund like everybody else.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 12: The big question is how did SI Quantum get through
Speaker 12: the gates so quickly and be in a position where
Speaker 12: they were meeting with the minister and all of a
Speaker 12: sudden the government was looking at making this investment and.
Speaker 2: With billion dollars a billion a billion dollar, we're out
Speaker 2: of time, but very quickly. You've called for an inquiry
Speaker 2: from the Order to General Wear's that up to so I've.
Speaker 12: Written to the Order to General laying out some of
Speaker 12: these facts. The Order General has written back to saying
Speaker 12: investigations being considered. So I'll continue to press for that
Speaker 12: because it's very important. And as Cameron Milner's article points out,
Speaker 12: there's a web of labor mates here and taxpayers would
Speaker 12: rightly be very concerned about the basis on which almost
Speaker 12: of billion dollars their money has been spent.
Speaker 2: Quite aside from all of this, I personally don't think
Speaker 2: that tax pay funds should be going into startups like
Speaker 2: this anyway. There's enough venture capital money out there. Why
Speaker 2: do we need tax paper.
Speaker 12: That's right, venture capital budget, Crist' it's a there's a
Speaker 12: big private sector venture capital sector in Australia. That's good news.
Speaker 12: Let them get on with making these risky.
Speaker 2: Investors exactly right, Paul Fletcher, thank you very much, Thank
Speaker 2: you time. That is a truly big story. Will stay
Speaker 2: on it now after the break. Is the Albanese government
Speaker 2: planning to make abortion an issue in the federal election
Speaker 2: after Labour's scare campaign in Queensland. I'll discuss that with
Speaker 2: my political panel right after the break. Plus the hypocrisy
Speaker 2: from mainstream media claiming Israel is targeting journalists and workers.
Speaker 2: Will an international expert on this subject would join me
Speaker 2: exclusively on the show. Welcome back Well. Australia's energy regulator
Speaker 2: told the Senate this afternoon that they couldn't guarantee that
Speaker 2: Labour's renewable energy policies will bring down power bills. Have
Speaker 2: a look, okay, but.
Speaker 13: You're saying you cannot guarantee that the current government policy
Speaker 13: settings which you model will deliver lower power process.
Speaker 14: I can't guarantee that, no, And what I would say
Speaker 14: is we would try to be quite clear about the communication.
Speaker 14: Our message, which is that the integrated system plan, which
Speaker 14: considers these things generation, storage and major transmission upgrades, is
Speaker 14: the lowest cost pathway. It doesn't refer to whether it's
Speaker 14: cheaper or more expensive for that wholesale component.
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in our political panel, Labor and
Speaker 2: p Daniel Malino and Liberal Senator Holly Hughes. Welcome to
Speaker 2: you both. Daniel, starting with you, is this an admission
Speaker 2: from Australia's energy regulator that your government's renewable policies just
Speaker 2: aren't going to lower the cost?
Speaker 15: Oh, hi, Charien, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 15: Look, I don't think so I think understandably the energy
Speaker 15: regulator doesn't want to be giving guarantees in relation to
Speaker 15: energy when there are so many moving parts. But for me,
Speaker 15: the key thing about his testimony, and this backed up
Speaker 15: positions that they've taken and others have taken on a
Speaker 15: number of occasions, is that a strong push towards knewables
Speaker 15: firmed by gas is the least cost pathway going forward.
Speaker 15: That's the real choice Australian's face. And it's a better
Speaker 15: way forward. It's a more reliable way forward and a
Speaker 15: cheaper way forward than trying to build a nuclear industry
Speaker 15: from scratch. The latter path won't deliver us any energy
Speaker 15: for fifteen to twenty years and it's going to be
Speaker 15: incredibly expensive. So what Australians really want is the least
Speaker 15: cost path going forward, and that's what he confirmed, although.
Speaker 2: He did say he couldn't guarantee it would mean any
Speaker 2: reduction in power bills. Holly, what do you have to
Speaker 2: say with what to what Daniel just said there that
Speaker 2: this is still the least cost pathway moving forward, cheaper
Speaker 2: than going down a nuclear energy model.
Speaker 16: Well, it's still based on the provisions around the eighty
Speaker 16: two percent missions reduction at zero by twenty fifty. So
Speaker 16: they're doing modeling within the framework and policy positions that
Speaker 16: the government's putting forward. The government hasn't I would hesitate
Speaker 16: a guess given them the scope to say, what's the
Speaker 16: cost if we put more coal fire power stations in?
Speaker 16: What's the cost if we did go down a nuclear pathway?
Speaker 16: And I think it's a fallacy that it's fifteen to
Speaker 16: twenty years away, particularly when this government is still obsessed
Speaker 16: with hydrogen which every time we turn around, another project's
Speaker 16: being canceled or funding being.
Speaker 2: Removed from Australians.
Speaker 16: No, this is an absolute pipe drain being pushed by
Speaker 16: Chris Bowen that is just going to cost them more money.
Speaker 16: The government during the election campaign put a figure of
Speaker 16: two hundred and seventy five dollars reduction by twenty twenty five.
Speaker 16: That is just around the corner. And Australians don't really
Speaker 16: understand what the wholesale cost is. They don't understand the
Speaker 16: cost of generation or transmission. What they understand is what
Speaker 16: their power bills are. And what they know is their
Speaker 16: power bills are continuing to go up and that is
Speaker 16: in start contrast to what the Labor government promised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it doesn't look like the two hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy five dollars they're.
Speaker 16: All saying it's doubled in price from the so called
Speaker 16: reduction we will get.
Speaker 2: Now, we've seen that the issue of abortion has become
Speaker 2: a scare campaign or distraction if you like, depending on
Speaker 2: which way you look at it during the Queensland state
Speaker 2: election campaign. Well, senior female Liberals Jane Hume and Susan
Speaker 2: Lay are now saying that they don't want abortion laws
Speaker 2: to be a feature at the upcoming federal election. Have
Speaker 2: a look.
Speaker 17: What I can assure you and assure your viewers and
Speaker 17: assure all voters is that a Dutton led coalition government
Speaker 17: has no plans, no policy, and no interest in unwinding
Speaker 17: women's reproductive rights.
Speaker 8: We have no intention to change the settings from a
Speaker 8: federal health perspective. Obviously, individuals have their own views and
Speaker 8: Jainer is entitled as a member of the National Party
Speaker 8: to her own view.
Speaker 2: And as you heard Susan Lay, they're just referred to
Speaker 2: Jacinda Jacenterprice, who had told the City Morning Herald that
Speaker 2: she did want abortion on the nation agenda. Daniel, do
Speaker 2: you think this was in the Queensland state election campaign
Speaker 2: a scare campaign because David Chris Fooley said the laws
Speaker 2: were never going to change.
Speaker 15: Look, Schrry, I haven't been following every single in and
Speaker 15: out of the Queensland state election. My understanding is that
Speaker 15: this came up in the Queensland state election because one
Speaker 15: or more backbenches in the opposition indicated that they wanted
Speaker 15: to put it on the agenda, and then that put
Speaker 15: that question back to the leader of the opposition. So
Speaker 15: I don't think it was so much a scare campaign
Speaker 15: as an issue raised by some backbenches in the opposition.
Speaker 15: But look, I don't think this is going to be
Speaker 15: an issue at the next federal election. I think the
Speaker 15: next federal election is going to be fought on cost
Speaker 15: of living. It's going to be fought on who people
Speaker 15: trust more to give them tax cuts that give them
Speaker 15: real benefits, and on energy. So I don't think this
Speaker 15: is going to feature at a federal level. It's a
Speaker 15: state issue.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Holly, do you have the confidence
Speaker 2: that Dania has that Labor I won't try and have
Speaker 2: a scare campaign on this issue because it has worked
Speaker 2: in the United States, It worked in Queensland and.
Speaker 18: Look, I was on one of your colleague shows last
Speaker 18: night and said I cannot believe the americanization of politics
Speaker 18: in them trying to grasp onto this issue and Labor
Speaker 18: have made it a scare tactic in the Queensland election.
Speaker 2: I hope Daniel's right.
Speaker 16: I hope the federal election campaign is fought on cost
Speaker 16: of living, is caught on who's going to bring your
Speaker 16: energy prices down? And is around who's going to best
Speaker 16: serve Australians in the tax system, because I can tell
Speaker 16: you it's not this Albanezi labor government and Australians you know,
Speaker 16: we know they're number one, two, three, four and five
Speaker 16: top issues a cost of living. I don't think you're
Speaker 16: going to see these issues come up as certainly vote changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll definitely be interesting. All right, Daniel Melino, Holly Hughes,
Speaker 2: thank you both very much for your time. Now still
Speaker 2: to come. We've seen accusations from Media Watch and Sky
Speaker 2: News UK that Israel is targeting journalists and aid workers deliberately.
Speaker 2: Well just how true these claims? My exclusive interview with
Speaker 2: the world renowned expert on modern warfare after this quick
Speaker 2: break welcome back, Well, anti Israel media outlets like the
Speaker 2: ABC and Sky News UK are accusing Israel of serious
Speaker 2: war crimes like deliberately killing journalists and aid workers, emergency workers,
Speaker 2: of civil defense workers, Red crossworkers, all telling us that they.
Speaker 8: Feel they are now the targets of Israeli strike.
Speaker 13: To the war in the Middle East. And yet more
Speaker 13: did journalists, the latest being Hassan Hamad. Hassan was killed
Speaker 13: by an Israeli airstrike in Gaza, but there has been
Speaker 13: little or nothing in the mainstream media, which is remarkable.
Speaker 13: Are we now so hardened to journalists being targeted.
Speaker 2: And this reporting is just going unchallenged. Now. I've extensively
Speaker 2: spoken on this show about the lengths that Israel goes
Speaker 2: to to avoid civilian casualties, but to find out the
Speaker 2: objective truth, I spoke with the internationally renowned Chair of
Speaker 2: Urban Warfare Studies at the Modern War Institute, John Spencer.
Speaker 2: In mainstream media outlets, Israel has been accused of deliberately
Speaker 2: targeting both aid workers in Lebanon and journalists in Gaza.
Speaker 2: Have you seen any evidence of this?
Speaker 7: Absolutely not, and that's just to me, a continuation of
Speaker 7: the disinformation about all the operations the fact that the
Speaker 7: United States has said many times is there is not
Speaker 7: one bit of evidence to show that Israel has targeted
Speaker 7: civilians period, journalists, aid workers. There has been accidents, but
Speaker 7: the fact that Israel has done more to prevent and
Speaker 7: to safeguard civilians and those on the battlefield. But this
Speaker 7: is war, Israel is being attacked, Israel is conducting massive operations.
Speaker 7: I don't think people understand the scale. Even in the North,
Speaker 7: where Israel has now deployed five divisions. Israel doesn't have
Speaker 7: five divisions, it has two divisions, So those are Israelis
Speaker 7: who are trying to get in. The North has blood
Speaker 7: to stop raining rockets down on Israel. And then you
Speaker 7: have Gaza where Hamas is still launching rockets. So I
Speaker 7: think that's just more of the disinformation. Everything from the
Speaker 7: fact that there is no genocide, there is no targeting
Speaker 7: of civilians. There's actually the opposites, like weird counterfactuals. When
Speaker 7: Israel sends hundreds of trucks in daily, does these evacuations,
Speaker 7: then gets accused of doing something wrong when it's like
Speaker 7: this tiny nation under attack from all these different directions,
Speaker 7: who is actually doing everything anybody's ever tried in war
Speaker 7: to permit civilian harm, to get them out of harm's way.
Speaker 1: But this is war.
Speaker 2: You were in Gaza, I believe earlier this year. What
Speaker 2: about the figure of forty thousand civilians killed in Gaza?
Speaker 2: Is that figure, as far as you are concerned, is
Speaker 2: it accurate? And how do you compare the civilian casualties
Speaker 2: in Gaza with other wars?
Speaker 7: Sure, and I've been to Gaza three times since October seventh.
Speaker 7: I was last year in July. I can tell you
Speaker 7: that the now Hamas Gaza Health Ministry number of forty
Speaker 7: two thousand killed in Gaza is a lie. It's just
Speaker 7: not true. There's no way you could know the number.
Speaker 7: But that number itself isn't those that have been killed.
Speaker 7: That's anybody who has died since October seventh. It includes
Speaker 7: anybody who died of natural causes, anybody who died by
Speaker 7: Hamas's hand, who.
Speaker 1: Murdered, to include just this week, people trying to flee
Speaker 1: when they get the notices. It includes anybody who's missing
Speaker 1: they just don't know the name. It includes people that
Speaker 1: died years ago. I can tell you from being on
Speaker 1: the ground that that.
Speaker 7: Number is a lie and that Israel is actually the
Speaker 7: civilian to combatant ratio if we knew the number. Although
Speaker 7: in Gaza there's some type of magic system that can
Speaker 7: tell you how many civilians died. It can't tell you
Speaker 7: how many combatants die, but they'll tell you how many
Speaker 7: civilians died within hours. That's never happened in war and
Speaker 7: it never will, but they'll tell you within hours. And
Speaker 7: then mass media runs with it like thirty killed, five
Speaker 7: hundred killed.
Speaker 1: But that number is it's a lie. It's not true.
Speaker 7: Israel's civilian to combatant ratio is actually lower because they say,
Speaker 7: and I believe them more than I believe Alamas.
Speaker 1: But even if I take both numbers.
Speaker 7: Israel's actually killed like twenty to twenty two thousand Hamas
Speaker 7: and then the rest are what.
Speaker 1: Is believed to be civilians.
Speaker 7: But there actually is no way to tell that, and
Speaker 7: when you have this reporting system that's just full of lives.
Speaker 2: In terms of the international community accusing Israel of breaching
Speaker 2: international law, in your view, has Israel been guilty of
Speaker 2: war crimes?
Speaker 7: Absolutely not, And I've written that from every angle, every accusation,
Speaker 7: from the fact that Israel has not been discriminated, It
Speaker 7: has been very it has not been indiscriminate, has been
Speaker 7: very discriminated, and who it targets the enemy, only the enemy.
Speaker 1: It has not been excessive in the use of force.
Speaker 7: It has not been you're overwhelming, as in not what
Speaker 7: the law of war says in my analysis to include
Speaker 7: being on the ground and going with the actual units
Speaker 7: on the ground. They're following the law of war, following
Speaker 7: rules of engagement that are very stringent against the complexity
Speaker 7: of this enemy in underground cities that nobody else is
Speaker 7: also faced in war. No Isruel is following, is going
Speaker 7: beyond the legal requirements and is following their moral ethical way.
Speaker 7: Militaries fight and doing everything to prevent some light arms.
Speaker 7: So all of the starvation not true, all of it.
Speaker 1: It's all a farce of lies.
Speaker 2: John, what's your comment on the United Nations, both from
Speaker 2: the positions expressed from its senior leadership but also that
Speaker 2: pro har Mass resolution that was put forward that had
Speaker 2: majority support in the United Nations General Assembly. Do you
Speaker 2: think the UN has become an enabler for terrorism?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, we didn't get here, and I think that's what
Speaker 7: we're seeing, especially in Northern Israel, where the United Nations
Speaker 7: Security Council resolution seventeen oh one and the mandate of
Speaker 7: UNIFIL of over eighteen thousand United Nations forces that we
Speaker 7: members of the United Nations paid for, who have completely
Speaker 7: allowed the entire area to be combat areas for HESBLA,
Speaker 7: massive bunkers and stockpiles.
Speaker 1: The UN is failing.
Speaker 7: This has been the greatest test of the United Nations
Speaker 7: since the end of World War Two, and it's failing
Speaker 7: with the Islamic regime in Iran, with all these proxies,
Speaker 7: with the way it determines what the law war was,
Speaker 7: how it's been co opted by humanitarian rights groups, how.
Speaker 1: It has become just a political.
Speaker 7: Theater, basically problematic when this is the organization that's to
Speaker 7: prevent war and it has guided us to the situation.
Speaker 1: Where we are now and we need leadership.
Speaker 2: The United States is sending a fad battery missile defense
Speaker 2: system to Israel, yet at the same time it's issued
Speaker 2: a letter threatening to withhold weapons if the situation doesn't
Speaker 2: improve in Gaza. What message do these conflicting messages send
Speaker 2: to Iran?
Speaker 7: I mean, I think so for Iran, I mean I
Speaker 7: think it's we are in an election season. War is politics.
Speaker 7: I think that's a huge sign of the strong relationship
Speaker 7: and the iron plaid agreements, and that I'm proud of
Speaker 7: as an American that the United States will defend Israel,
Speaker 7: especially from attacks from another nation state like Iran. So
Speaker 7: the sending of this very advanced air defense system that
Speaker 7: will integrate with other defense systems, there is a very
Speaker 7: big signed to Iran to not continue to itack Israel
Speaker 7: and the iron clad relationship because that comes with American
Speaker 7: soldiers part of that air defense system. It's not the
Speaker 7: first time it's happened, but it's a huge step and
Speaker 7: I think opposed to this letter, which is you need
Speaker 7: to do more about humanitarian aid, it's a giant sign
Speaker 7: of the actual iron cloud relationship between the United States
Speaker 7: and Israel, as Israel is fighting a seven front war
Speaker 7: which includes drones, missiles, ballistic missiles from.
Speaker 1: Seven different directions.
Speaker 2: To be honest, John Spencer, thank you very much for
Speaker 2: your time. And that was my interview with John Spencer earlier.
Speaker 2: He is so impressive. Now, two quick things before I go. Firstly,
Speaker 2: a shout out to my colleague Chris Kenny. He did
Speaker 2: a sensational interview earlier today on a Legras Spender and
Speaker 2: the teals. Make sure you check it out online. Also,
Speaker 2: if you miss my exclusive from the start of the
Speaker 2: show about SBS censoring pro Israel, that'll be up on
Speaker 2: the Sky News website soon. I've written an article Otherwise,
Speaker 2: that's it from me. I'll see you tomorrow at eight o'clock.
Speaker 2: And right now, here's Paul Mara