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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by Shannon's.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode, Max Verstappen wins the cut Out Grand

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Speaker 1: Prix to head into this weekend's Abu Dhabi Finale just

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Speaker 1: twelve points off the championship lead. But how did McLaren

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Speaker 1: cough up what should have been an easy victory for

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Speaker 1: Osco Piastre. That's left the Australian on the title outer.

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Speaker 1: My name is Michael Lamonado. It's great to have your

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Speaker 1: company and the company of my co host. He knows

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Speaker 1: finales in Abu Dhabia never controversial. It's Matt Payson.

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Speaker 2: When you started saying Abu Dhabi finale, then Michael, I

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Speaker 2: just sadden got a bit of a chill. So I

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Speaker 2: was sitting in this exact seat in twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: with my head in my hands, thinking this isn't happening,

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Speaker 2: is it? But I would like to posit at this

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Speaker 2: point that I think this podcast is inherently unfair and

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Speaker 2: not really going with Papaya rules, because why is it

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Speaker 2: you always get to go first and I have to

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Speaker 2: go second. That's not fair. I think I need to

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Speaker 2: be the first voice heard on the next twelve months

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Speaker 2: of podcasts to address this terrible imbalance. But thank you

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Speaker 2: very much.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, yeah, oh very good. Great to have your company.

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Speaker 1: He's a question that m kaids you have to face.

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Speaker 1: If one of the drivers wins the title, it seems

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Speaker 1: pretty unfair on the other one, doesn't it. Look that's

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Speaker 1: a question for well a few days time. I suppose

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Speaker 1: we've got to start with the cut out Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: because it has very much set us up for a

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Speaker 1: fascinating final round. The title is going to the wire.

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Speaker 1: Orlando Norris did not quinch it in Katar and what

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Speaker 1: was a relatively muted performance I think we might get

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Speaker 1: to that in a second from him, not a dire one,

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Speaker 1: but certainly not the oh obviously not the kind of

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Speaker 1: performance that clinched the championship. But of course the big

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Speaker 1: takeaway from this round was, wow, what did McLaren do

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Speaker 1: to put itself in this position? Because in the Grand Prix,

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Speaker 1: and without even mentioning that, Oscar Piastri had the most

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Speaker 1: convincing weekend he's had in months, led every session, accept

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Speaker 1: the Grand Prix at the end, but seemed likely he

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Speaker 1: was going to be losing points to one of his

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Speaker 1: title rivals, maybe it would only be twelve points back

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Speaker 1: to Oscar Piastre, and yet it's twelve points back to Max. Forstaffan,

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Speaker 1: I think the worst amandable outcome for him because McLaren

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Speaker 1: did not pit behind the safety card. It's the story

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Speaker 1: undoubtedly you've read about all over the place by now

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Speaker 1: and heard plenty about this. The team didn't really offer

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Speaker 1: a very compelling explanation about why it didn't happen. Didn't

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Speaker 1: think everyone else would pit despite everyone else pitting. What

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Speaker 1: was your immediate reaction to seeing what became one of

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Speaker 1: the great strategic hours of the year.

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Speaker 2: It's funny like we could just be rehashing last week's

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Speaker 2: podcast again. We're talking about a race as in Las Vegas,

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Speaker 2: where not very much happened except for mclaren' stuffing something up.

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Speaker 2: Because in Las Vegas, obviously it was the plank were

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Speaker 2: issue where both McLaren's were disqualified and the points they

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Speaker 2: lost and so on and so forth. But to my mind,

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Speaker 2: I was actually not surprised that McLaren didn't pit behind

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Speaker 2: the safety car in Katar, because it seemed like a

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Speaker 2: very McLaren thing to do because of where their cars

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Speaker 2: were on the track. You knew it was the wrong

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Speaker 2: decision the moment that it happened, and I did wonder, oh,

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Speaker 2: race had to play out with the mandat tree twenty

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Speaker 2: five lap maximum stint lengths, you could see instantly when

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Speaker 2: they didn't pit, how they'd snooked themselves and if they

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Speaker 2: were going to be able to engineer their way out

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Speaker 2: of it. And if there's one thing that we know

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Speaker 2: about Formula one and twenty twenty five is if you

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Speaker 2: prize the door open one millimeter for Max Verstappen, he's

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Speaker 2: coming through it and then he's blocking the door so

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Speaker 2: you can't get back through because he is not going

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Speaker 2: to make a mistake from a position of advantage, particularly

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Speaker 2: when you've handed it to him. And we're in this

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Speaker 2: scarcely believable situation now where I'm still stunned this is

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Speaker 2: still a live championship fight, given that the Constructor's title

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Speaker 2: was one six rounds ago in Singapore, and here we

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Speaker 2: are going into an Abu Dhabi finale where it's very,

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Speaker 2: very possible that Max Forstappen could be a five time

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Speaker 2: world champion on Sunday night in Abu Dhabi, and that

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Speaker 2: is not something that we could even half seriously say

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Speaker 2: what six weeks ago, let alone when he was one

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Speaker 2: I think the Dutch GP. It's just it's remarkable yet

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Speaker 2: completely predictable at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Seventh started the week by saying McLaren mistakes

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Speaker 1: are a couple of I guess elements to this one.

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Speaker 1: The first one that I think we've got to unpack

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Speaker 1: is this idea, Well, the reasoning behind McLaren missing what

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Speaker 1: literally everybody else saw, which was that pitting. Considering the

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Speaker 1: stint maximums that you mentioned there, twenty five laps seemed

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Speaker 1: like the obvious choice at a track where I think

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Speaker 1: we can say, after what's it been three races now

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Speaker 1: we can see that overtaking is pretty much impossible at

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Speaker 1: this circuit as your ascopiasity on Andre Kimmy Antonelli, I

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Speaker 1: the track vision is extremely important. Getting a free pit

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Speaker 1: stop out of this is very important. The team brought

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Speaker 1: What was influential that there would be one driver that

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Speaker 1: Norris was running third at the time behind Maxistaff and

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Speaker 1: qualified second, lost to place to Max off the line.

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Speaker 1: Double stacking might have cost him a place, but more

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Speaker 1: likely that would be because of McLaren's position the pit lane.

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Speaker 1: At the start of the pit lane would lose positions

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Speaker 1: and you're obliged to obviously not cause a crash in

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Speaker 1: a vast lane, never filter behind other cars. And that's

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Speaker 1: probably true. He probably would have lost places, just like

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Speaker 1: he then lost places afterwards through pitting when everyone else had. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: though for me this is almost obviously this has been

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Speaker 1: almost a little bit understated how much of an escalation

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Speaker 1: this is on the way McLaren has been approaching this

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Speaker 1: concept of fairness, the Papaya rules. We've talked about them,

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Speaker 1: because this is for me beyond correcting a problem, Isn't

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Speaker 1: that The biggest interval we've seen before this was the

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Speaker 1: you can argue, well, McLaren did make an error and

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Speaker 1: I think is yeah, as I say, quite a significant

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Speaker 1: step forward in how interventionist McLaren is willing to run

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Speaker 1: its races to try to preserve in inverted commas fairness.

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Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the monster thing. That's interesting because I

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Speaker 2: and you're talking about the concept of fairness. They've given

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Speaker 2: away because of fairness. When one driver has been outperformed

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Speaker 2: Now the driver doing the outperforming this weekend was Oscar Piastre.

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Speaker 2: That hasn't been something that's happened for quite some time.

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Speaker 2: This was Piastre's weekend from start to finish, led practice,

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Speaker 2: for the Grand Prix. They've thrown away a victory because

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Speaker 2: he's actually been penalized twice, He's lost a race and

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Speaker 2: he's lost a point because we're pursuing something based on

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Speaker 2: this inverted commas fairness and the whole thing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've talked about this for probably far too any podcast

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Speaker 2: The whole thing has been so over engineered to pursue

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Speaker 2: this concept of fairness, and you can't have fairness in

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Speaker 2: This is so difficult to control the narrative with so

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Speaker 2: In practice, it's more or less completely impractical. And the

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Speaker 2: a championship situation for Abu Dhabi where the thing that

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Speaker 2: team orders, prioritizing one driver over another. They may have

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Speaker 2: to now do this to win a World Championship that

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Speaker 2: frankly should have been won two months ago. And as

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Speaker 2: much as Zach Brown has said numerous times this year

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Speaker 2: that they prefer to you know, they'll will happily give

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Speaker 2: up the World Championship to Max Verstappan if it means

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Speaker 2: that they pursue this concept of fairness between their two drivers.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this last week. I still think it's

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Speaker 2: completely insane to throw away a driver's championship you haven't

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Speaker 2: just stand back and go, oh, well, at least we

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Speaker 2: were fair. Then History records the winners. History doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 2: given what we've got ahead of us in Aberdhabi.

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Speaker 1: Well, don't forget. Zach Brown also said he'd be comfortable

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Speaker 1: losing the title so long as McLaren throw it away.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not sure he's totally comfortable with what's going

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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to be more citical about this,

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Speaker 2: they don't want to favor one driver or the other.

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Speaker 2: They are favoring one driver at the moment. It's just

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Speaker 2: that driver's Max for Stappin. Yeah, favoring a driver from

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Speaker 1: for it, but does issue a somewhat scathing press release afterwards.

432
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Speaker 1: I feel like this series of events has happened multiple

433
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Speaker 1: times before, usually with Helmet Marco saying something deeply questionable,

434
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Speaker 1: borderline offensive. And then what I really like is just

435
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: the move at the end by Red Bull that has

436
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 1: to someone in the media time says we can't let

437
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Speaker 1: this just go. We have to respond. But because of

438
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Speaker 1: Helmet Marco's position as a director of the team and

439
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 1: a direct employee of the Austrian business, can't criticize him either,

440
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 1: and obviously Helmet mark ok Is issued an apology of

441
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Speaker 1: sorts via a German language website, but won't publicly say

442
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Speaker 1: anything about it. This is the best they can do.

443
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 2: You get the sense someone in Redbulls comms department probably

444
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Speaker 2: has a document that's a template that's called non apology

445
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 2: and apology dot doc or something, and they just basically

446
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 2: drag it out and change the date and time and

447
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 2: everything else. Help with Marco at this point is kind

448
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,919
Speaker 2: of like the uncle that gets invited over for Christmas

449
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,159
Speaker 2: dinner no one really has seen since last Christmas, and

450
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 2: you'll probably have one or two sherries too early in

451
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 2: the afternoon to be asleep in the armchair and maybe

452
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,439
Speaker 2: say something a bit questionable or you know, bring up

453
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Speaker 2: something to happen fourteen years ago that nobody wants to hear.

454
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Speaker 2: It's the most obvious thing of all time. You could

455
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 2: see the on board with Antonelli that he clearly was struggling,

456
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 2: it had gone off the track. But to come up

457
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 2: with that, and then, I mean, I think the worst

458
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 2: part about all this, if just you've obviously read about

459
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Speaker 2: this as well, just the absolute torrent of abuse that

460
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Speaker 2: Antonelli has taken on social media because an eighty year

461
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Speaker 2: old who probably doesn't own a mobile vone has decided

462
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Speaker 2: to just go off tap about something like this. It

463
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 2: was unfortunate that, you know, in twenty twenty five, these

464
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 2: are the ramifications of saying things before you think it

465
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: was clearly ridiculous. Nobody else actually thought that was the case,

466
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 2: and very on brand and very on brand by Red

467
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Speaker 2: Bull with the non apology apology. But I did enjoy

468
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: the Toto Wolf dismissile of the whole thing was possibly

469
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,479
Speaker 2: the highlight of the entire thing.

470
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Speaker 1: I just enjoy reading the word brainless. Describing as brainless,

471
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Speaker 1: I just thought was very good.

472
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Speaker 2: But also, like me, you probably read every single Toto

473
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Speaker 2: Wolf quote in his accent, and that's the best part

474
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Speaker 2: about it. Toto Wolve's got this big physical presence about him,

475
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: very tall guy, a very very distinctive voice, and the

476
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: audio of that you could just imagine him saying it,

477
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: and how disceive me would have been. That just only

478
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Speaker 2: added to the humor with the whole thing.

479
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think when Tota Wilf really wants to,

480
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: he can deliver a high quality insult in a very

481
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Speaker 1: forceful way. Sure can, And I think that that was

482
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Speaker 1: a good example of it. So an interesting, I mean

483
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Speaker 1: that was well, look, it was a move Norris did

484
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Speaker 1: pass Antonelli. Those two points could be very important to

485
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Speaker 1: his championship hopes because let's look to Abu Dhabi now,

486
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Speaker 1: where the title will be decided this weekend, not for

487
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Speaker 1: the first time in Abu Dhabi, probably not for the

488
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Speaker 1: last time, hopefully not as controversial as the previous home

489
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Speaker 1: but look will and see how it's going to go down.

490
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you the points how this can go down.

491
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: Orlando Norris will win the championship if he finishes on

492
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Speaker 1: the podium. That much is clear. And that's why those

493
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Speaker 1: two points could have been important, because otherwise that would

494
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 1: not have been enough. But for Max Vistappan to win

495
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: the title, he needs to win the race with Norris

496
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Speaker 1: no higher than fourth. Or he can finish second, with

497
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: Norris no higher than eighth and Piastre no better than third.

498
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: Or he can finish third with Norris no higher than

499
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Speaker 1: ninth and Piastre no higher than fourth. He cannot win

500
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: it he finishes fourth or lower four Oscar Piastree, it's

501
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 1: much more constricted. Unfortunately. He can win the race with

502
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Speaker 1: Norris no higher than sixth. He can finish second, with

503
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Speaker 1: Norris no higher than tenth, and for Stappen no higher

504
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: than fourth. He cannot win it if he finishes third

505
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Speaker 1: or lower. Those are the permutations narrow path to victory

506
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Speaker 1: for both of them for Staffans though first. With Norris

507
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: so higher than fourth, that feels very much within the

508
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Speaker 1: realms of.

509
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: Possibility, absolutely feels doable. And we talked before about the

510
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: looming specter of do we have to institute tea wards

511
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: after trying desperately to avoid it for the past twenty

512
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: three rounds, there is a there's a situation here that

513
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: I personally think Verstapa would is going to win the race,

514
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Speaker 2: because that's pretty much what he does at this point

515
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Speaker 2: of the season. Imagine a situation where you've got Pastre

516
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Speaker 2: three Norris four towards the end of the race and

517
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: you will have to swap those drivers around to stop

518
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: Max forstaf and winning the world title, wouldn't that? I

519
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: mean Abu Dhabi races, as we know, are generally pretty

520
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: dreadful unless we get Hollywood safety cars at the end.

521
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one weekly mention of Hollywood safety cars

522
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Speaker 2: or other circumstances. Can you imagine the hand ringing that's

523
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: going to go on on the McLaren pitwall if that

524
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: is the situation towards the end of that race, because

525
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 2: they will be so desperate to not ask Piastre to

526
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Speaker 2: move over to allow his team mate to in the

527
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: World Championship. It's a really interesting situation for Piastre in

528
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: and off the moment that then what it means longer term,

529
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: and you know we mentioned before McLaren hasn't won a

530
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 2: driver's championship since two thousand and eight. It's really delicately

531
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Speaker 2: poised because of the fact that you look at the

532
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: form guide of these three drivers coming in, and also

533
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: the fact that the fact that Lando Norris has got

534
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: this twelve point advantage that you mentioned before. When you're

535
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: playing with margin like that, you do approach the race

536
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 2: very differently. You don't have to go out there and

537
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: just win the thing, which realistically and or Pastri they

538
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: just have to go and win. It's like it's a

539
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 2: very simple focus, easy to say, hard to do, just

540
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: got to go win, whereas Norris is like, well, we're

541
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Speaker 2: in the best car all year and if I don't

542
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 2: ma activity mistakes, I can probably just finish on the podium.

543
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: That's probably fine because we know the races tend to

544
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: be a bit processional there. But when the goal isn't

545
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: as singularly focused as it is for Versapen or piastre

546
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 2: I think it changes the way you approach the weekend mentally,

547
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: And we've seen this in previous championship deciders, because so

548
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: often in championship decid as you find that even if

549
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: the leader coming into the last round ends up winning

550
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: the World Championship, they will lose a decent slab of

551
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: the points advantage they had coming in. Because you're playing

552
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: with house money to a degree, you're not going to

553
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: approach it the same way mentally. And you look back

554
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: through recent championship deciders, very often that driver who has

555
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: converted on leading coming into the last round has actually

556
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 2: shipped a pretty decent slab of points in that last

557
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: race because you just approach it differently mentally, don't you.

558
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's sort of the interesting thing. But also

559
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: speaks to which is I think is true this weekend

560
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: as well, is that often when we get these close,

561
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: well inevitably, when we get this close title a side,

562
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: as someone comes in with some momentum, maybe the different No,

563
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: actually I'm going to say twenty twenty one was the same.

564
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: Hamilton had the momentum that he did, almost won the race,

565
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: probably should have won the race. That's a different story.

566
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: But in some way, as the mentor mand it's not

567
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: always the leader, and I think that's the case this weekend.

568
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: I think we can say that while Norris has been

569
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: in good form lately and that's what's obviously propelled him

570
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: to the leader of the championship, that happened you'd only

571
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: the last four races. It's for Stappan who's the form driver.

572
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: Oscar Piastri is coming off a great weekend in which

573
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: he was the best driver out there, but that's one

574
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: race after four kind of ordinary ones, at least in

575
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: terms of results. It's for Stappan who has the mentum,

576
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: and it's for Stappen who starts second. I think there's

577
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: also something interesting to say, though. Andrea Stella brought this

578
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: one up in explaining why there will be no team orders.

579
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Although I very much like your hypothetical of pastre third

580
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: Norris force with for Staffin in the lead, what happens there?

581
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, to go to your other point

582
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: that you've raised last couple of weeks, surely it would

583
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: be insane for them not to make that call and

584
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: lose the driver's title when they could actively make a

585
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: call to win it. But it would be a fascinating circumstance.

586
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: The last two times we've had at least three drivers

587
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 1: going to the decider, it's been the third driver who

588
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: wins it. It was Sebastian Battle in twenty ten, it

589
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 1: was Kimmi Reichen in two thousand and seven. So while

590
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: we might say that Oscar Piastre is an outsider and

591
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: by points he is, well, the last two times this

592
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: someone's found a way to make it happen. So maybe

593
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be so down on that.

594
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: Well, and I guess the other factor to think about

595
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: here is, you know, we've met, We've spent most of

596
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: this podcast talking about three drivers. Is there anybody else

597
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: that has the potential to be a bit of an

598
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: interloper at the front of this race or at least

599
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: fight for the podium positions based on what they're driving. Now,

600
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: you know, Ferrari had an absolutely brutal guitar. It's kind

601
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: of hard to imagine things to really turn around, particularly

602
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: in Abudhabi. As much as I respect what Charlie Clerk

603
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: can do over one lap and baps get himself in

604
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: the mix. Mercedes interesting, it's going to be at night, Yes,

605
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: it's not going to be cool because of Abidhabi, So

606
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: that's interesting, and then you can't really make a case

607
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: for anybody else. Quite frankly, there is a second Red

608
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: Bull in the field, but that's not going to figure.

609
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: We know that. So you're trying. It's a bit of it.

610
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: You have to squint pretty hard to try and find

611
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: other drivers who might get into the mix here. So yeah,

612
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 2: you could absolutely have a situation where maybe there's one

613
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: other driver in the mix for the top four or

614
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: five positions. But then how does that play out? Given

615
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: McLaren have two cars in this fight and Red Bull

616
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: have won, and the golf of Forstappen is so crystal clear,

617
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: go and win the race and let's see if McLaren

618
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: find a way to trip themselves up from a position

619
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: of relative advantage, as they've done for the back half

620
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 2: of this season. We've already had the answer to that

621
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: question several times over the last few rounds. So why

622
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't you just keep asking the same question if you

623
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: read Bull and for Stappen.

624
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I actually think it's just sort of interesting

625
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: as you're talking, thinking back to all those alternative who

626
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: else could be in the mix? Ye, because that's important

627
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: when Verstappan won the title in aby Dhabi in twenty one,

628
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: regardless of the safety car thing. Well, the reason that

629
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: he was in a position to capitalize on the safety car,

630
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: in fact, so it is related, was because Sergio Perez,

631
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: when he was still doing or at Red Bull Racing,

632
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: slowed down Lewis Hamilton was in a position where it's

633
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: competitive enough to hold up Hamilton for a lap and

634
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: a half whatever it was. And while Hamilton got past him,

635
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: Paris hadn't pittae yet. That meant that Hamilton wasn't far

636
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: enough when the safety cart far ahead when the safety

637
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: car came out to make the free pit stop, which

638
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: and he didn't make a bit stop, which meant he

639
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: was overtaken after that safety car resumption. And you wonder

640
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: what could have happened. This happened. He is lacking that

641
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: teammate save here, right, He's probably he's probably not going

642
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: to have Yuki Sonoda in a position to help him,

643
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: although Soa did turn up randomly in the sprint in Kata,

644
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: but not from the Grand Prix. And he's going to

645
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Speaker 1: be sacked this week maybe by the time year this podcast,

646
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Speaker 1: he's not going to be racing he'sactly a Red Bull

647
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Speaker 1: Racing driver twenty six, but maybe he'll turn up this

648
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Speaker 1: week and who's to say. But I do think Mercedes

649
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Speaker 1: is the interesting incident for here, isn't it, you know,

650
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: because they in Russell was very competitive in Kata the

651
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: race was its own sort of beast, but in sprint

652
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: qualifying at least was right there in contention for pole position.

653
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Speaker 1: Abu Dhabi's a very mild track in terms of well

654
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Speaker 1: everything really all of its characteristics, and Mercedes doesn't like

655
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Speaker 1: too many curveballs. That's part of the setup challenge. Maybe

656
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: that does help them out here. In any case, I

657
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Speaker 1: think Mercedes is a good contender for being consistently thereabout,

658
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Speaker 1: so that could be there, and they do have Now

659
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Speaker 1: I think we can say two drivers that are constantly

660
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: in the mix, like Antonelli's performing at a level now

661
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: where he is always being taken into account on probably

662
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: should have finished ahead of Norris, He have finished ahead

663
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Speaker 1: of a Stapen two weeks ago, finished ahead of Piastre

664
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Speaker 1: in Vegas before Piastro was squalified. So there's potential there,

665
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Speaker 1: And you know, if you have a stapp and you're

666
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Speaker 1: really hoping Mercedes is having a great weekend because you

667
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: need someone to fill that Perez gap.

668
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Speaker 2: I suppose, yeah, correct, you need someone else in there.

669
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Speaker 2: Something you just mentioned there before about the fact that

670
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Speaker 2: Yuki Sododa may not be a Red Bull driver. By

671
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Speaker 2: the time people listen to this podcast, you know who

672
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Speaker 2: is going to be a twenty twenty six rep Bull driver,

673
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Speaker 2: and that's probably going to be as a Kadjar. And

674
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: given the way that the end of Hajar's season has

675
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: progressed for racing bulls, you would be pretty shocked if

676
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Speaker 2: he's not Q three. And so you could have a

677
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Speaker 2: situation where, let's just say Norris is the first to

678
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Speaker 2: stop of the front runners, and you might leave Handja

679
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: rat there just that little bit too long, just to

680
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: run a little bit of interference for a lap and

681
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: a half. It takes Norris to perhaps go past a

682
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Speaker 2: car on worst tires that hasn't made their first stop yet.

683
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Speaker 2: So that's an interesting little curve ball, isn't it. Isaac Canja.

684
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Red Bull Racing one round early dst.

685
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Speaker 1: Yes, quite well, if you allow me to segue here,

686
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: he could be playing the Vitally Petrov role. I suppose

687
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Speaker 1: you could descrive it if we cast our minds back

688
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: to the twenty ten race in which you were, you

689
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: were in attendance witness, of course because of Mark Webber

690
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: who was in contention there with Fernando Alonso eventual winner

691
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: from third in the championship standings beforehand, Sebastian Vettel, that

692
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: was I mean, title finales are always very tense. That

693
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: one was very interesting because of the ebbing and flowing

694
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Speaker 1: of momentum, and of course the overarch quite similar this year.

695
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Speaker 1: I suppose in some respects the overarching question of will

696
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: Red Bull used team orders? They say no, why not?

697
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Speaker 1: In the end, I guess they were kind of proved right.

698
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Speaker 1: But tell me a little bit about that circumstance, the

699
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Speaker 1: feeling of it, because I think for McLaren, well not,

700
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Speaker 1: I think I know for McLaren this is going to

701
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Speaker 1: be an entirely new experience to be going into a

702
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Speaker 1: title decider with the title on the line for both

703
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: drivers and navigating.

704
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Speaker 2: That although remember from the pre race press conference, Weber

705
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: was asked about the circuit where it was just you know,

706
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Speaker 2: it was before the redesign of the second sector of

707
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: the track where they've change it a little bit, where

708
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Speaker 2: it was just a lot of ninety degree left, ninety

709
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: degree right, and Mark and typical Mark sty just shrugged

710
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: and said, it's like a Tesco's car park. But he

711
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: was just very unimpressed by the entire thing, despite world's

712
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: most expensive Tesco's car park. But what was so interesting

713
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Speaker 2: about that race weekend is that because I've done a

714
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Speaker 2: million of these, because I am significantly older than we

715
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 2: had four drivers in mathematical contention for the title in

716
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: that last round because Lewis Hamilton. Lewis Hamilton was twenty

717
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: four points off the series lead in a McLaren so

718
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: obviously he needed the other three ahead of him to

719
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: not score. But what was so interesting, So Fernando Alonso

720
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Speaker 2: led the championship for Ferrari, Mark Webber was seven points

721
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Speaker 2: behind in second place for Red Bull, and Sebastian Vastal

722
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: was fifteen points behind in third place for Red Bull.

723
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Speaker 2: But and this is the significant thing, he had all

724
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Speaker 2: of the momentum. Of the three previous races, he had

725
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: won two of them, and he would have won the

726
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: third one but for an engine blop right at the

727
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: end of the racing career, which scuppered his chances there.

728
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: But he was the guy that had all a momentum,

729
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: and you mentioned Viatali Petrov. I think the entire race weekend,

730
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: it was just a lot So Weber looking at one

731
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: another to see what each other was doing, because I

732
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Speaker 2: don't think Vettel was seen as a super credible threat

733
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Speaker 2: because he was so far behind Weber. It had a

734
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Speaker 2: particularly difficult qualifying. They covered each other off at very

735
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: very early pit stops a lot so Weber and got

736
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: stuck behind this absolute rocket ship of a Reno down

737
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: the back straight driven by Vitali Petrov and just got

738
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: completely snookered in the race, and Alonso finished seventh, Webber

739
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: finished eighth, and Vettel got himself to the front, won

740
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Speaker 2: the race and then stole the championship. And it was

741
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Speaker 2: the only race of that entire twenty ten season that

742
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: he led the world Championship standing. He won the championship

743
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: by four points and it was the only round he

744
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: actually led the championship after, which was remarkable. But in

745
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: terms of atmosphere, I remembered the level of tension for

746
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 2: that race because you had four of them in there.

747
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: As unrealistic as the Hamilton charge was, you had four

748
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: of them on the grid, and I mean, you've done

749
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: enough of these pre grid racewalks now where you're walking

750
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: around before the race the amount of tension and you

751
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: could actually viscerally feel how tense it was there because

752
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: there were multiple drivers in multiple teams. It's taken us

753
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: fifteen years to get back to a situation where there's

754
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: at least three drivers in contention in the last race

755
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: of the season, head to head one on one showdowns

756
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 2: for the title of tents. At the best of times,

757
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: you remember twenty twenty one. You remember the years when

758
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: it was Rosberg Hamilton at Mercedes and the race in

759
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, Hamilton drove in the Mercedes where he drove

760
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: at the slowest possible speed and tried to get a

761
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 2: whole bunch of people to trip up Niko Rosberg, even

762
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 2: though that was going against the wishes of his team.

763
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Speaker 2: One on one battles are great in this situation when

764
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: you've got multiple drivers for multiple teams, and you would

765
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: argue that probably the driver leading the championship doesn't necessarily

766
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: have the momentum coming in, and the guy who does

767
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 2: is a guy who's won four World championships. It really

768
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: does set this up so perfectly for Sunday for a

769
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: season finale that we probably never believe was going to happen.

770
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: But if it's anything like the tension of twenty ten

771
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: and the way that was, it'll be fantastic TV. And

772
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: I also wonder who's going to be the first person

773
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: to get Vatari Petron on the phone this week. I'll

774
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: just talk about talk about old times because he didn't

775
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: have a particularly long Formula One career. He didn't have

776
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: a particularly great Formula One career. He's only podium by

777
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: the way, at the Australian Grand Prix that you go

778
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: right staff for you. But yeah, the name Vatari Petrov

779
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: is not one that a lot of people in F

780
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 2: one would possibly even know if you're relatively new to

781
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 2: the sport. But don't be surprised to hear some soundbites

782
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: from Vitali Petrov this week.

783
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Speaker 1: Yes, an influential character in form title decided it's going

784
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: to be a big weekend. But history is going to

785
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: be written one way or another. I think that's what's

786
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: really exciting about the outcome is it doesn't feel like

787
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: there's any boring outcomes here. I mean, a title decider

788
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: never can be but We're either going to be witnessing

789
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: one of the greatest comebacks in the history of Formula

790
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: One from Max Withstaffan, or we're going to get a

791
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: first time world champion in Oscar Piastre or Lando Norris,

792
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: which is also an important story for the history of

793
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: Formula One, considering their stature as the next generation, particularly

794
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: in pastre sense considering this is only his third season

795
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: in Formula One. But we are going to learn things

796
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: about all of them this weekend, and the landscape of

797
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: Formula One will be different from next year. I'm not

798
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: talking about the regulations, but I mean simply we're going

799
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: to think of things differently. After this title decider, things

800
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: will have changed as a result of the outcome this weekend.

801
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 1: Stick there we get something whacky happen, and I can't

802
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: help but wonder legacy wise what this weekend might mean

803
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: in that regard. I think we can start with Maxwistapan here,

804
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: because I think this is a pretty easy question. This

805
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: would be his greatest world championship. I think even I think,

806
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: no matter how he wins, if he would have win

807
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: it this weekend, no matter how it happens, I think

808
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: it would still probably become more remarkable than what happened

809
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Obviously, the off track controversy of

810
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: twenty one is its own thing, but I think coming

811
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: back and winning it here would in my mind probably

812
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: stepping ahead of that.

813
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely. I mean you look at you can look

814
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 2: back at twenty twenty three where Red BULLONEI didn't win

815
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: one race. Thinking car lot of science is a second

816
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: reference to science in this particular podcast. But you know,

817
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: you look at the legacy quarter element of this, like

818
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: Maxistappen could be the second driver ever to win five

819
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: consecutive championships. That's what's on the line here, and if

820
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: you were to win that fifth in a row with

821
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: arguably the best of the five, that would be quite

822
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: an astonishing achievement. Because you know, I mentioned jokingly before

823
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: about how maybe he's the best underdog as well as

824
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: the best champion all the grid, that shouldn't be overlooked.

825
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: The fact that I can't think of another driver that

826
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: could have engineered this sort of comeback to even be

827
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: in the conversation to win this World Championship other than Maxistappen,

828
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 2: So that in itself might be testament to his greatness.

829
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: But you talk about legacy, there's so many people who

830
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 2: you know, Lando Norris could be McLaren's first world champion

831
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: for seventeen years, as could Oscar Piastre. No Australians won

832
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: a Formula WIE World Championships. It's nineteen eighty. This is

833
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: the closest other than Weber in twenty ten, that we've

834
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: got to that. But there's so many different people involved

835
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: in the sport that I just think, gosh that you know,

836
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 2: the legacy that the result one way or the other

837
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: could determine. Look, someone that Lauren Mecky is as someone

838
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 2: I keep thinking about with Red Bull. He took over

839
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: in the middle of the season where they were basically

840
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: hopeless and they got rid of the only team principle

841
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: they'd ever had in twenty one years of existence or

842
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: whatever it's been. They might win the drivers championship with

843
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: this guy who's been in charge for what ten races

844
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 2: or something. There's so many little interesting legacy intersections going

845
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: on in this race that once the result and the

846
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 2: points permutations settled down on Sunday, we'll look at it

847
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: and go, wow, you know, what does this mean In

848
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 2: the wider scope of a Formula One there's a lot

849
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: of crossroads here, isn't that.

850
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting to think about how we

851
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: might consider McClaren management after this race. What happens. Obviously,

852
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: if they win the driver's title, it can be pretty

853
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: easy win for them as well, because we've got to

854
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 1: think about in the broader context as well, that this

855
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: team's come back from an extremely low base in only

856
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: three years. I mean, when oscopiastri joined, it's often to

857
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: get the car, was slucks his first base and barely

858
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: made the finish. And here they are off the back

859
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: of two constructors championships, this one extremely dominant, and but

860
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 1: two shots at the driver's title as close as Maxis

861
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: Staffan is, and as painful as that probably is, they've

862
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: still got two drivers in the fight here, and that's

863
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: pretty important too if they don't get it done. I

864
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: still think that broader historical context is important. And one

865
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: two constructors titles, and that's that's significant from how well

866
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: management has done. But I really wonder how they would

867
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: reflect on losing the driver's title here as much as

868
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: Zack Bround's kind of already I don't think he was

869
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: thinking this is what he was doing when he started

870
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: saying this. But as much as he's laid the groundwork

871
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: here for saying, well Max beats us, then we've done.

872
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: We've lost it in the right, in the right honorable way,

873
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: or however he's going to possibly be required to sell

874
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: it that the various steps along the way that have

875
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: contributed to this team being in a position to lose

876
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: the driver's title this weekend. I think it's going to

877
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: be very interesting and I'll be fascinated to hear what

878
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: conversations take place during the off season, even if they

879
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: win it, to be honest, and what approach they might

880
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: take to racing next year, assuming they're still in contention

881
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: for the title, which we expect them to be, and

882
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: how that changes.

883
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 2: It's a really good point because you can both things

884
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: can be true here in that, yes, they might win

885
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: the Drivers' Championship with either Norris or less likely Pastre

886
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: on Sunday night. I don't think you could take a

887
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: victory lap for the approach that you've taken this year,

888
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: if indeed you secure the victory and the drivers and

889
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: the constructors championships, and you do wonder that it strikes

890
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: me that the whole Papaya rules thing. It's a great

891
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: internal discussion, it's a great ethos to have within the team.

892
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: Don't make it public, even if your actions maybe intimate

893
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: that this is the way you're going racing, Like, why

894
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: does this need to be made public? Are you trying

895
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: to do it for social media attention or appeal or

896
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: oh look at this, isn't it great? They're being also

897
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: fair and all that sort of thing. It strikes me

898
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,959
Speaker 2: as an internal policy that you can try and stick

899
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: to for as long as you need to, until you don't.

900
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: And that's the problem they've painted themselves in. We talked

901
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: before about could they issue a team order to make

902
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: sure that one of their two drivers wins the championship

903
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: on Sunday. Of course that would be the correct thing

904
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: to do. The reason you wouldn't do it, just like

905
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: the reason you didn't pick your cars and Qatar on

906
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: the weekend, is because of all the discussion that's gone

907
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: on beforehand, and you'd be put up for ridicule and

908
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: oh look they've gone back against their word and so

909
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: on and so forth. None of that happens. If you

910
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: keep that, you can still have the policy. Maybe just

911
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: don't tell the world about it. And I think that's

912
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: part of the problem with this. There's a perception in

913
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 2: an image that comes with it. But the legacy play

914
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: in this is just so so interesting, and you do

915
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: wonder that if they had their time over, would you

916
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: just kept this a little bit quieter? And something I

917
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: went I said half an hour ago in this podcast

918
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 2: is that history records the winners. And as much as

919
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: McClaren may end up winning this Driver's Championship, I don't

920
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 2: think you can say that the approach they've used to

921
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 2: win it, if it happens, was the correct one and

922
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: probably should have been more private.

923
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: I would have thought, yes, certainly didn't cause the least axed.

924
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: But I do wonder, as well as just a secondary

925
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: element of that before we move on, if one of

926
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: their drivers becomes the Driver's title winner and next year

927
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: is the defending champion, how does that play into those rules?

928
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: Is there a priority of preference there is the defending champion?

929
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: Does defending the driver's title become an important element in that?

930
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: You know it opens up an entirely separate chapter to

931
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: this book of Papaya rules, but a question for next year.

932
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: In fact, the other question the thing really quick before

933
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: you get off this particular topic is because we have

934
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: such a massive regulation change for twenty twenty six. You

935
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: can't just I mean this year. We were not surprised

936
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: that McLaren was good in twenty twenty five because there

937
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: was continuity of rule set and regulation and momentum from

938
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. What they've done this year is not

939
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 2: a surprise in the slightest. You go back to several

940
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 2: big rule and regulation changes in Formula one history, the

941
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: entire pecking order can be completely turned on its head

942
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 2: because of a very very big rule change. One team

943
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: or one manufacturer just gets it completely right and someone

944
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: else gets it completely wrong, and momentum can just be

945
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 2: turned off like a tap. And we've seen this several

946
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: times in the past. When Lewis Hamilton went to Mercedes

947
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen, the general response was, what on earth

948
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: are you going there for? They've won nothing, they're no good.

949
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: Why are you throwing away your time at McLaren. And

950
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: they had that one season there in twenty thirteen, rules

951
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: change in twenty fourteen and he won five of the

952
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: next six world titles. So momentum can Usually momentum will

953
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: not carry over between rule sets and then so if

954
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: you've gone down a path where Norris wins the World

955
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: Championship under this allspec of fairness, and what if McLaren

956
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: aren't particularly good next year? You know, this is another

957
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: question here. There's not going to be that momentum and

958
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: carryover that we saw between last year and this. That's

959
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 2: not a guarantee, and that's another element to add into

960
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: all of this. If McLaren don't win it this weekend.

961
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be a fascinating story at the

962
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: beginning of next season, I think, regardless of the outcome,

963
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: because either one McLaren driver is going to feel aggrieved, well,

964
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: both of them will, which is the fairest outcome? I

965
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: think we can all Indeed, we can't wrap up though

966
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: without going to the crystal ball by complete home filtration.

967
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm feeling pretty good because again I didn't delete my

968
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: predictions after ending last week's show, the title would be

969
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: one cut. I'd be less than fifteen points going into

970
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 1: the last round. Sow is how good's Michael doing?

971
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: Well? If you're going to talk about yourself with the

972
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: third person, you clearly go very well. But given that

973
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: you have a one hundred percent hit rate here given

974
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: that I'm clearly the anchor dragging this particular podcast down

975
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: at this point, I think it's only fair that you

976
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: go first, because clearly you know what's going to happen

977
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: this weekend much to share it with us.

978
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: I'd I'd love to I'd love to share it with you.

979
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: I was going to say, we already talked about it,

980
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: so it sort of gates it as a talking point

981
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: that I could see the Verstappin in the leads. You

982
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: pick your driver for second. Let's say I should choose

983
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: our third Piastree, Norris fourth, and the team waterer coming

984
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: in or perhaps and maybe handringing over whether or I

985
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: should come in, And I just want to put out

986
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: as my crystal ball two alternative hypotheticals here, and then

987
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: we can pick which one maybe is going to happen.

988
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: But I just I like this imagining based on the

989
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: projections what might be happening here. Scenario one is it's

990
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: for Staffen ahead of Piastre, ahead of Norris on the podium.

991
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: Completely believable. But you've got a really competitive and fast

992
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: in a straight line George Russell in fourth. Let's say

993
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I can see Verstaffen doing the Hamilton twenty sixteen, backing

994
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: all of them up. It is at risk of Piastric

995
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: partly because Piastri will attempt to pass, because we know

996
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: he's that kind of guy. But I think Norris in

997
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: that scenario is what Hamilton thought Rosberg would be, which

998
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: is and he kind of was actually but panicked into

999
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: making a mistake. I'd be interesting to see if George

1000
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: Russell already went for it, though, whether there'd be some

1001
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: nationality at play there. Maybe we should hypothesize that it's

1002
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: Antonelli Dwarth. I'm not sure, but I think I could

1003
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: completely see that. But I want to leave you with

1004
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: this one because fairness is the name of the game.

1005
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: All Right. We've got a scenario where Norris is leading

1006
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: the race. He's going to win the title. That's the

1007
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: most likely mathematical scenario. You've got Piastre in second, and

1008
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: the stapping could be thir It doesn't really matter.

1009
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 2: I think I know where you're going yet, but keep going.

1010
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: Think you know where I'm going with this. Norris is

1011
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: going to win the title no matter where he finishes

1012
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: on the podium, it doesn't matter. He's going to be

1013
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: the driver's champion. But on the grounds of fairness, and

1014
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: I incur the memory of the Italian Grand prixhere with

1015
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: McLaren intervene on fairness grounds. McLaren says, you know what

1016
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: we cost Oscar Piastre victory last week. Though it doesn't

1017
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: matter to Orlando. Let Oscar win the race. It's only

1018
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: fair you will still win the title. Why shouldn't that

1019
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: be allowed under fairness? I think I'm not necessarily saything

1020
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: going to do it, but I think that question is

1021
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: going to arise this weekend if Norris is winning the

1022
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,359
Speaker 1: race in that order, and I think it's just going

1023
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: to be another silly McLaren thing where someone's going to go, no,

1024
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: well yeah, we should do that.

1025
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 2: Seems I can completely see this happening. So I mentioned

1026
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: if you're Oscar Piastre, so I don't want to be

1027
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: gifted a Grand Prix wins, so Norris moves out of

1028
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: the way to let him through, and then Pastre's like, no,

1029
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: I don't particularly want to, and then they run into

1030
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: each other, and then for staff and wins the race

1031
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: or something, but who knows, but absolutely se happening. Your

1032
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: first scenario then, where you mentioned perhaps backing the pack

1033
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: up and George Russell's in fourth, Landa Norris is in third.

1034
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: What would Sky Sports do in this point? Like? Who,

1035
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: how do you commentate that there'll be there'll be tears

1036
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: and we need tissues. All sorts of things could be going.

1037
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: I'll be references to obscure British towns at ninety nine

1038
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: percent of the audience doesn't know or care about. But

1039
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: that could be really interesting. But you're the thought that

1040
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: McLaren might say, look, Lando, you're going to win the

1041
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 2: championship anyway, let Oscar have this one. And then they'll go, well,

1042
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 2: that's all fine. Then everything's completely squared off.

1043
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. Someone will think that on the

1044
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: McLaren people. I think, based on.

1045
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: History, sometimes the means doesn't justify the end, does it.

1046
00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 2: But anyway, but I'm going to go with something far

1047
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: which is unusual for me, far less convoluted, but something

1048
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: that might have some more significant consequences to add some

1049
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 2: level of interest in an aberdabi racis not usually particularly interesting.

1050
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 2: I'm predicting that either one of the stap in Norris

1051
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: or Piastric doesn't make Q three.

1052
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: Ah, that's a great prediction. That's such a good one.

1053
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: Someone's going to be out of position, and if it's

1054
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: one of the McLaren drivers, then we talked before about oh,

1055
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: do you run an excessively long first stint so you

1056
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 2: can run a bit of interference Ferverstappen after his first

1057
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: pit stop or something like that, to add a little

1058
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: bit of jeopardy into the middle section of the race there,

1059
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: which can be a little bit of we're just waiting

1060
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: for the last ten laps if one of those three

1061
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: doesn't make Q three and then knock on effect for

1062
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: all of that. Frankly, I'm here for it because we

1063
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: need a little bit of jeopardy into a live title fight.

1064
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: And much as we roll our eyes at twenty twenty one,

1065
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: there was a little jeopardy at the end of that

1066
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: and it made for compelling, if not particularly satisfying TV.

1067
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: But that's my prediction. One of those top three is

1068
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 2: not making Q three and insert chaos.

1069
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: That is a good one. I like a good, straightforward

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Speaker 1: prediction as well, but that would certainly spice things up

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Speaker 1: quite significantly. Will any of us be right, Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: find out. At least they are only three outcomes, so

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Speaker 1: it can't be totally wrong with what's going to happen

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Speaker 1: at the end of this race, because by Sunday night

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Speaker 1: or Monday morning, if you're in the Australia and East Coast,

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Speaker 1: we will have a new or a returning in fact

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Speaker 1: world champion. But that's all the time we have for

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Speaker 1: pit Talk today. You can subscribe to Pittalk wherever you

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Speaker 1: get your favorite podcasts, and you can leave us a

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Speaker 1: rating and review as well. This weekend is the Formula

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Speaker 1: One Championship de side of the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix,

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Speaker 1: with lights out at midnight Australia in eastern daylight time

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Speaker 1: on Monday morning. Take Monday off you may as well.

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Speaker 1: It's not one for the highlights in my opinion, and

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Speaker 1: can get up today with the latest F one, Supercars

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Speaker 1: and verdogp news at Foxsports dot com dot Au from

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Speaker 1: Matt Clayton and me Michael Lobonado. Thanks very much for

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Speaker 1: your company and we'll catch you next week.