WEBVTT - Dan in the slammer 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:07.801 Appoche production. 0:00:10.321 --> 0:00:15.281 Episode seven, Dan in the Slammer. It's all over for 0:00:15.401 --> 0:00:20.041 Dan Saunders. He's been caught. Well, he dubbed himself in. 0:00:24.241 --> 0:00:26.801 We've believer a practice that you understand these rights. 0:00:26.881 --> 0:00:30.681 Yeah, and he's had his day in court to find 0:00:30.721 --> 0:00:34.160 out how Dan got here and how the glitch changed 0:00:34.161 --> 0:00:38.441 his life. Head back to the previous six episodes when 0:00:38.480 --> 0:00:41.001 we left d Anne. In the last episode, he was 0:00:41.001 --> 0:00:44.241 found guilty and could have been sentenced to a whole 0:00:44.281 --> 0:00:45.601 lot longer than he. 0:00:45.561 --> 0:00:50.600 Actually got on charge to obtained financial advantage by deception. 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.761 You are convicted and seems to be imprisoned for twelve 0:00:54.761 --> 0:00:56.441 months commencing this day. 0:00:56.601 --> 0:00:59.560 He's got to pay back around two hundred and fifty 0:00:59.601 --> 0:01:03.321 grand to the NAB, which is a lot less than 0:01:03.321 --> 0:01:08.720 the one point six million dollars. But that wasn't all. 0:01:10.321 --> 0:01:16.041 Twelve months inside and then eighteen months community corrections order afterwards. 0:01:16.681 --> 0:01:19.721 And so are you let out of the courtroom straight away? 0:01:20.121 --> 0:01:24.201 Yeah, So you basically go downstairs into holding cells and 0:01:24.241 --> 0:01:29.321 then sort of people who have been convicted or they 0:01:29.321 --> 0:01:31.481 have come from jail and they're a waiting to go 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.520 upstairs and that kind of thing, like they basically get 0:01:35.681 --> 0:01:38.041 you know, sort of turfed in with them. But I 0:01:38.081 --> 0:01:41.640 remember I was probably underneath the County Court for about 0:01:41.761 --> 0:01:45.481 two hours, sitting in the suit in a cell with 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:49.761 a couple of other dudes. And yeah, then the buses 0:01:49.801 --> 0:01:53.161 turn up and take us off to jail. And the 0:01:53.201 --> 0:01:58.841 first place we went was the Melbourne Assessment Prison. And yeah, 0:01:58.961 --> 0:02:02.001 spent like about three or four days there, those few 0:02:02.041 --> 0:02:05.201 days of them at the map. So I was like 0:02:05.281 --> 0:02:09.240 there was grown men like crying on the phone of 0:02:09.321 --> 0:02:13.081 their wives and stuff, and like I remember I woke 0:02:13.201 --> 0:02:17.840 up the first morning and there was I got put 0:02:17.841 --> 0:02:20.001 in a cell. Like when I first went into a cell, 0:02:20.601 --> 0:02:24.121 I went in by myself, and there was like this 0:02:25.561 --> 0:02:29.240 sachet of bleach and that the place dunk. There was 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.240 a sashet of bleach, and I was like, oh, it's weird, 0:02:31.281 --> 0:02:33.921 you know, like just bleach. So I emptied out the 0:02:34.441 --> 0:02:36.921 trash can and used a shower to like put some 0:02:37.001 --> 0:02:42.441 water in it and sort of just just sort of 0:02:42.761 --> 0:02:44.721 cleaned up the place a little bit with the bleach. 0:02:45.361 --> 0:02:47.401 And I learned later on that the bleach was to 0:02:47.481 --> 0:02:51.881 clean like syringes and stuff. Yeah, I didn't actually know that. 0:02:52.281 --> 0:02:56.681 I wasn't use it for clean so like a couple 0:02:56.721 --> 0:02:59.561 of couple of nights later, another guy came into the cell. 0:02:59.641 --> 0:03:00.561 He's like, where's the bleach? 0:03:00.841 --> 0:03:07.281 Like, do you ask questions about what people are in for? 0:03:08.281 --> 0:03:12.001 Not really, like you just sort of let people divulge 0:03:12.041 --> 0:03:14.240 to you, Like, I'm no violent person, so you don't 0:03:14.281 --> 0:03:16.400 really go up to people and just start going off, 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.441 you know, because it's a good way to get smack 0:03:18.441 --> 0:03:21.761 in the head. But you just sort of like I 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.961 remember the first morning I went down and that like, 0:03:24.201 --> 0:03:25.961 you know, as soon as you go down, there's like 0:03:26.041 --> 0:03:29.641 this breakfast sort of table with dry cereals and stuff, 0:03:30.041 --> 0:03:34.280 and I could smell bacon and I was like, surely 0:03:34.281 --> 0:03:37.681 they ain't give it bacon. That's pretty you know. And 0:03:38.481 --> 0:03:41.161 so the bacon you could smell was coming from the 0:03:41.161 --> 0:03:44.761 guard's office. So they're sort of like, you see there's 0:03:44.801 --> 0:03:47.881 this like psychological sort of games, you know, like straight 0:03:47.921 --> 0:03:50.881 off this, yeah, it looks like a bike or something 0:03:51.001 --> 0:03:54.721 is like heavy step blow comes down and he's like, 0:03:54.761 --> 0:03:55.961 where's all the where's. 0:03:55.681 --> 0:03:56.321 All the bacon? 0:03:56.881 --> 0:04:00.121 Someone stole the bacon, you know, And because you couldn't say, 0:04:00.161 --> 0:04:01.841 you know, like there was no bacon on the table, 0:04:01.961 --> 0:04:04.601 you could smell it. And he grabbed this little guy. 0:04:05.121 --> 0:04:08.561 He just held him against the wall. He's like, did 0:04:08.601 --> 0:04:12.161 you have any fucking bacon? He's like, no, no, I 0:04:12.201 --> 0:04:16.241 didn't not swear. I sweat like so I was just like, okay, 0:04:16.681 --> 0:04:19.320 that's what we're in. We're in a fucking We're in 0:04:19.321 --> 0:04:21.641 a madhouse. That's what it is. So you just got 0:04:21.681 --> 0:04:24.041 to sort of have your wits about it because you know, 0:04:24.081 --> 0:04:27.721 there's always stuff going to go on like that. So yeah, 0:04:27.801 --> 0:04:29.321 I mean so a few days later, I moved to 0:04:29.761 --> 0:04:30.641 move to Port Philip. 0:04:30.801 --> 0:04:33.400 So you walk into Port Philip. That's a max security jail. 0:04:33.681 --> 0:04:37.520 Yeah, just so like real, real dirty. They call it 0:04:37.601 --> 0:04:38.561 Port Putrich. 0:04:39.161 --> 0:04:43.401 That just reaped read and reeks. 0:04:43.041 --> 0:04:49.441 Of I just you know, like there's something called called 0:04:49.481 --> 0:04:54.001 brownie up and what they do is they they ship 0:04:54.361 --> 0:04:57.121 like an inmate will ship on their hand and then 0:04:57.201 --> 0:05:00.281 wipe it all over the cell. You know, like so 0:05:00.401 --> 0:05:05.921 it just yeah, like it just makes for an absolute yeah, 0:05:06.121 --> 0:05:09.760 like it just reads disaster. Yeah, you know, thankfully it 0:05:09.801 --> 0:05:11.921 wasn't like that in order to the souts like it 0:05:11.961 --> 0:05:16.640 wasn't like that. But yeah, I mean I just I 0:05:16.641 --> 0:05:18.441 don't know. I just talked to people. I don't know 0:05:18.521 --> 0:05:21.281 how it happened. I like bought I bought a lot 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.721 of I bought a lot of cigarettes, like a lot 0:05:24.721 --> 0:05:27.200 of a lot of pouches of tobacco and stuff, and 0:05:27.281 --> 0:05:29.640 I thought, I just need to get it's much stuff 0:05:29.641 --> 0:05:32.601 as I can get. And then sort of because like 0:05:32.721 --> 0:05:35.001 sort of currency I heard that. I don't know, I 0:05:35.001 --> 0:05:38.440 didn't know anything. Like there was people in court that 0:05:38.561 --> 0:05:40.440 go to court because they know they're going to jail, 0:05:40.721 --> 0:05:43.880 so they go to court in their comfy clothes with 0:05:43.961 --> 0:05:48.041 a pillow. So that's what they take downstairs with him, 0:05:48.081 --> 0:05:49.600 you know what I mean. So they're like all ready 0:05:49.601 --> 0:05:50.880 to go on the bus, you know, and they got 0:05:51.401 --> 0:05:54.361 pillow and it's insane, you know, like he's me in 0:05:54.401 --> 0:05:55.321 the suit going. 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:57.720 Anyway. 0:05:57.761 --> 0:05:59.721 But yeah, like if you go a few times, you 0:05:59.801 --> 0:06:02.041 start to you know, you know what it's like. Yeah, 0:06:02.081 --> 0:06:04.640 so anyway, like yeah, they just sort of when you 0:06:04.641 --> 0:06:09.321 get into they just strip your bear and and then yeah, 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.520 just take all your possessions, take everything off you on 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.801 and then yeah, they put you Like I's just like 0:06:15.001 --> 0:06:17.601 what you see in the show is basically but it's 0:06:18.561 --> 0:06:22.601 it's pretty like it's pretty hectic place. Max Security is 0:06:22.641 --> 0:06:23.640 pretty pretty hectic. 0:06:24.201 --> 0:06:27.041 As I've said before, I haven't been to jail and 0:06:27.401 --> 0:06:30.400 have really no plans to go. I do know a 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:34.121 few people that have been inside. Outside of Dan, the 0:06:34.161 --> 0:06:36.921 people I know have spent lots of time in jail. 0:06:37.361 --> 0:06:39.960 One of those blokes is a guy called Brent. 0:06:40.841 --> 0:06:44.521 I'm known as simmer All up fourteen years jail since 0:06:44.521 --> 0:06:45.840 the age of twelve. 0:06:46.841 --> 0:06:50.161 He has a successful podcast called The Clink, which is 0:06:50.201 --> 0:06:53.561 about stories of people who did some bad stuff and 0:06:53.601 --> 0:06:57.521 how they've redeemed himself. Brent's not a bad guy, but 0:06:57.561 --> 0:07:01.801 you also don't fuck with him. His background is he 0:07:01.921 --> 0:07:04.561 was a sergeant at arms for a biker gang and 0:07:04.601 --> 0:07:08.601 went to importation of drugs. So I wanted to ask 0:07:08.641 --> 0:07:12.001 a pro what it's like when you see someone like 0:07:12.121 --> 0:07:16.081 Dan walk in to a maximum security prison. 0:07:18.441 --> 0:07:20.721 And you be in a maximum security jow. 0:07:22.521 --> 0:07:27.561 First of all, don't eeball anyone. No one wants to 0:07:27.561 --> 0:07:33.801 hear your fucking story. Don't ask anything of anyone, Be quiet, 0:07:35.201 --> 0:07:37.361 keep your eyes wide open, sit with your back. 0:07:37.201 --> 0:07:40.321 In the corner of the room. 0:07:39.561 --> 0:07:40.321 And just listen. 0:07:41.121 --> 0:07:44.321 Bottom line, your personality is what's going to identify you 0:07:44.361 --> 0:07:47.161 and work out who you are. Everybody watches body language, 0:07:47.161 --> 0:07:51.201 Everybody listens. Soon enough, they're going to work out whether 0:07:51.241 --> 0:07:54.241 you're an AB or just a D for dick. And 0:07:54.321 --> 0:07:56.601 if that's what you are, that's how you be treated. 0:07:56.921 --> 0:07:59.601 You want to play the alpha, be prepared for the games. 0:08:00.161 --> 0:08:03.361 The games could cost you your life. Want to be 0:08:03.401 --> 0:08:07.601 b Just keep your mouth shut to your own time. 0:08:07.801 --> 0:08:10.681 We've seen the movies dropping the so bashings. 0:08:11.321 --> 0:08:12.801 Is that what it's really like. 0:08:13.081 --> 0:08:15.441 I'll never tell anybody. The worst thing I've seen in jail. 0:08:17.641 --> 0:08:20.841 Oh, the worst I saw in terms of like violence 0:08:21.161 --> 0:08:25.201 was probably guy ate. So he went to the visit 0:08:25.281 --> 0:08:33.281 center and he ate balloons full of ice, which they 0:08:33.481 --> 0:08:38.281 which they hide girlfriends and partners and her friends hide 0:08:38.281 --> 0:08:43.121 it and so they swallow it. And yeah, one of 0:08:43.161 --> 0:08:47.641 the balloons burst in his stomach. So basically like he 0:08:48.281 --> 0:08:52.041 was absolutely screaming his head off for about four hours 0:08:52.521 --> 0:08:55.201 and then he eventually like just went silent and he 0:08:55.241 --> 0:08:55.761 passed away. 0:08:55.761 --> 0:08:57.641 And then yeah, and he was in the cells. 0:08:58.241 --> 0:09:00.441 He was like in a cell that was about four 0:09:00.521 --> 0:09:04.761 cells for five cells away. So that was Yeah, that 0:09:04.801 --> 0:09:11.921 was pretty crazy. But also the violence was probably two 0:09:12.001 --> 0:09:17.961 guys held another guy down while a third guy put 0:09:18.041 --> 0:09:22.401 a dunny brush up his ass, and like held out 0:09:22.401 --> 0:09:24.921 the dunny brush and it was just blood and crap 0:09:24.921 --> 0:09:27.801 all over it, and then said that's what happens if 0:09:27.841 --> 0:09:32.161 you fuck with us. And I was like, well, remimmy, 0:09:32.361 --> 0:09:34.041 never do business with those guys. 0:09:36.161 --> 0:09:39.161 So how do you find a crew in maximum security? Chael, Well, 0:09:39.681 --> 0:09:40.161 I don't know. 0:09:40.281 --> 0:09:43.121 Like I people automatically thought that I was like a 0:09:43.161 --> 0:09:47.401 wife basher, or I was like drink driving or something, 0:09:48.081 --> 0:09:51.321 or I was a cop. That's how they felt about me. Yeah, 0:09:51.601 --> 0:09:53.681 but so when I told people that a. 0:09:53.561 --> 0:09:55.401 Couple of those will get you bashed. 0:09:55.241 --> 0:09:59.601 Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. So but yeah, I was pretty 0:09:59.641 --> 0:10:03.281 lucky early on that I gave I think I gave 0:10:03.281 --> 0:10:06.961 a cigarette to the right guy and people saw us 0:10:07.001 --> 0:10:11.521 talking and he was quite sort of influential, so people 0:10:11.561 --> 0:10:14.161 sort of left me alone once I told people that 0:10:14.241 --> 0:10:16.921 I took money off a bank, and then what happens 0:10:17.001 --> 0:10:20.641 is see, if you lie, it's even worse, so they 0:10:20.801 --> 0:10:24.321 go and check. So lucky there was someone to put 0:10:24.321 --> 0:10:30.481 that interview on YouTube, so it was quite accessible that, 0:10:30.721 --> 0:10:33.721 you know, people could validate the story and it'd be like, 0:10:33.921 --> 0:10:36.561 so people come up and ask you, well, you know, 0:10:36.601 --> 0:10:38.721 why are you here? You look like clean skin? What 0:10:38.761 --> 0:10:40.641 did you do. I'd be like I took some money 0:10:40.641 --> 0:10:42.361 off a bank and they'd be like, oh, yeah, did you, 0:10:42.921 --> 0:10:45.841 And a couple of days later I'd be like, hey, bro, 0:10:46.041 --> 0:10:49.281 yeah I rang my missus. You are Yeah, you took 0:10:49.321 --> 0:10:51.881 some money off the bank. Yeah, good on you, good 0:10:51.881 --> 0:10:54.201 on you. You know this sort of thing. So after 0:10:54.241 --> 0:10:56.241 that it was all like it was all right, Like 0:10:56.321 --> 0:10:58.201 I stand at the end of the line for the 0:10:58.401 --> 0:11:00.681 like it's cold pizza, Like I'll give a shit about 0:11:00.681 --> 0:11:02.801 cold pizza, you know what I mean. Like there's not 0:11:03.121 --> 0:11:05.201 only serving rockpool there, you know what I mean? There 0:11:05.281 --> 0:11:07.881 was seven you know shit pizza. I used to go 0:11:07.921 --> 0:11:12.681 to Australia's best restaurant that's called Scoppery in North Carlton, right, 0:11:12.881 --> 0:11:15.961 the best, the best restaurant ever you see this way 0:11:16.001 --> 0:11:20.081 to named Georgia, not case but the most beautiful man 0:11:20.521 --> 0:11:22.081 go and give him a tip. Is the best guy 0:11:23.041 --> 0:11:26.761 if you hadn't told me, Like their signature dishes Agnalotti 0:11:27.001 --> 0:11:31.121 belt Plin, right, which is like a beautiful rakedy that's 0:11:31.121 --> 0:11:35.601 filled with like veal, pork and rabbit, beautiful beautiful dish, 0:11:35.641 --> 0:11:39.361 beautiful like they went seven that who cares? Like do 0:11:39.401 --> 0:11:41.921 you want to go first? Go first, no problem, might 0:11:41.961 --> 0:11:46.281 not care. So I wasn't trying to ruffle anyone's feathers. 0:11:46.361 --> 0:11:48.601 I wasn't like, you know, trying to be the first. 0:11:48.681 --> 0:11:53.641 You know, in the morning, they put like bread and 0:11:53.841 --> 0:11:57.121 jam out for breakfast, people just going, you know, steal 0:11:57.161 --> 0:11:59.121 it because it's jail, Like no one leaves any for 0:11:59.161 --> 0:12:01.881 anyone else. Like the people closest to it go and 0:12:02.001 --> 0:12:04.921 steal it and then they you know, barter for it. 0:12:05.641 --> 0:12:09.601 But I think I was interested in like some jail 0:12:09.681 --> 0:12:13.001 cook brand and some you know, shit fucking doughnut jam. 0:12:13.201 --> 0:12:14.921 Don't you care about that whatever? 0:12:15.361 --> 0:12:19.201 Mum come to visit. Yes, you did. Yeah, how's that? 0:12:19.201 --> 0:12:19.721 It was good? 0:12:20.001 --> 0:12:22.481 Yeah, it's good. She goes, Oh, you know, I can 0:12:22.561 --> 0:12:25.361 nail you down for a two hour conversation every now 0:12:25.361 --> 0:12:27.401 and then. You know, it's like, at least I know 0:12:27.441 --> 0:12:31.361 where you are. Probably the only thing I regret is 0:12:31.761 --> 0:12:34.801 her having to come visit me in Max security jail, 0:12:34.841 --> 0:12:37.921 because it's like, you know, sometimes you've got to like 0:12:38.041 --> 0:12:41.321 get searched when you walk in, and it's very Yeah, 0:12:41.321 --> 0:12:44.601 it's a very intimidating place. Like I'm not I'm not 0:12:44.641 --> 0:12:47.441 a fighter, but you have to like you have to 0:12:47.481 --> 0:12:50.881 defend yourself because you will get steamrolled if you don't. 0:12:51.001 --> 0:12:52.321 Did you have to you have to do that? 0:12:52.401 --> 0:12:55.041 Yeah, you have to. Like if you're challenged and people 0:12:55.121 --> 0:12:57.601 see you go down like a sack ship, then you're 0:12:57.641 --> 0:13:00.841 like automatically someone's you know, someone's bitch, So you've got 0:13:00.881 --> 0:13:03.321 to fight back. Most people who were there for a 0:13:03.361 --> 0:13:06.801 long time, I'd sit and talk to them because, like, 0:13:07.081 --> 0:13:11.281 I found their story interesting. So I'd actually just be 0:13:11.401 --> 0:13:13.681 talking to the people who were in there for twenty years. 0:13:13.721 --> 0:13:16.641 So once you start doing that, people don't really come 0:13:16.721 --> 0:13:20.121 up and pick on your Like it's not it's just 0:13:20.161 --> 0:13:24.521 like a shit school camp, you know. Yeah, it's all ease. 0:13:25.441 --> 0:13:28.041 So it was a year on the top. As far 0:13:28.081 --> 0:13:31.281 as the sentence goes, yeah, yeah, can you get out early? 0:13:31.521 --> 0:13:31.561 No? 0:13:31.881 --> 0:13:34.801 No, it was just like a straight sentence. So when 0:13:34.881 --> 0:13:38.161 I went to the country jail, it was a bit 0:13:38.521 --> 0:13:41.321 it was a bit better, but not, you know, not much. 0:13:41.401 --> 0:13:44.161 It was still like violence, and you had more things, 0:13:44.161 --> 0:13:47.081 so you had like knives like on a chain and stuff. 0:13:47.481 --> 0:13:48.641 But in a way that was. 0:13:48.601 --> 0:13:52.041 Almost sort of worse because it was like, you know, 0:13:52.401 --> 0:13:55.681 you could just rip the knife off the chain or 0:13:56.401 --> 0:13:59.721 you know, I saw once two guys got a guy 0:14:00.521 --> 0:14:03.441 and took him to the knife and then a third 0:14:03.481 --> 0:14:06.641 guy knifeed him of. One of the funniest things I 0:14:06.681 --> 0:14:10.721 ever saw in jail was I could buy from the cans, 0:14:10.761 --> 0:14:12.601 and you could buy these cans of soup, you know, 0:14:12.681 --> 0:14:16.641 like high ind soup and whatever, and to heat it up. 0:14:18.241 --> 0:14:21.161 This guy thought he'd put it. So we lived in 0:14:21.201 --> 0:14:24.041 these like little units like with kitchens and stuff. So 0:14:24.121 --> 0:14:25.841 there was four cells in the unit, but then there 0:14:25.841 --> 0:14:30.441 was like communal kitchen type thing, and he put the 0:14:30.921 --> 0:14:36.001 can on the electric element to heat up right, and 0:14:36.121 --> 0:14:37.001 forgot about it. 0:14:38.841 --> 0:14:40.761 And it made this It was like. 0:14:40.721 --> 0:14:43.481 A bomb, Like it just went like it was like 0:14:43.561 --> 0:14:48.681 this old mighty crack and the whole unit, like the 0:14:48.721 --> 0:14:50.921 whole kitchen was just covered in tomato. 0:14:51.041 --> 0:14:57.761 So yeah, like a blood bath, but just yeah, but just. 0:14:57.721 --> 0:15:00.041 Stuff like that all the time. Like a couple of 0:15:00.041 --> 0:15:04.561 the Islander boys decided to be like wo to hijack 0:15:04.641 --> 0:15:08.121 the milk cart and steal all the milk for the 0:15:08.201 --> 0:15:11.561 jail and then just sat around in the middle of 0:15:11.721 --> 0:15:16.761 like an oval and that got this topping stuff and 0:15:16.801 --> 0:15:20.321 we're just making milkshakes and like shaking the little five 0:15:20.401 --> 0:15:25.161 hundred pure boxes of milk and singing my milkshake brings 0:15:25.201 --> 0:15:26.921 all the boys to the uh you know what I mean, 0:15:27.041 --> 0:15:33.241 Like like far parts of it were hilarious. I remember 0:15:33.281 --> 0:15:35.481 I saw this guy and he's like, ask me what 0:15:35.521 --> 0:15:37.721 I'm in for. And I'm like, man, I don't care. 0:15:37.801 --> 0:15:39.681 It's all good, you know, like whatever you did, like 0:15:39.801 --> 0:15:41.481 it's not you didn't do anything. It gets me. He's 0:15:41.601 --> 0:15:43.721 no worries, He's like, no, no, ask me. 0:15:43.841 --> 0:15:44.201 Ask me. 0:15:44.961 --> 0:15:48.601 I'm like, okay, what did you do? And he's like, 0:15:48.801 --> 0:15:51.761 murder on the dance floor, bro, murder on the dance floor. 0:15:52.441 --> 0:15:58.401 I'm just like, that's good. One. He goes, yeah, okay, 0:15:58.401 --> 0:16:00.481 that's what I say. He goes, that's what I say. 0:16:01.001 --> 0:16:04.681 That's great, that's great, and you go, but how you 0:16:04.721 --> 0:16:07.161 didn't you didn't kill the groove? They did you And 0:16:07.201 --> 0:16:10.921 he's like, ah, dad didn't kill the groove. But just 0:16:10.961 --> 0:16:14.681 stuff like that, you know, like look, no doubt. People 0:16:14.921 --> 0:16:17.121 are in jail for a reason, and I was in 0:16:17.161 --> 0:16:19.521 jail for a reason. Like you got to remember, these 0:16:19.521 --> 0:16:23.041 people didn't get red bedtime stories when they were kids. 0:16:23.481 --> 0:16:27.881 One guy told me he was like he didn't he 0:16:27.881 --> 0:16:30.761 couldn't hear in one ear because his dad used to 0:16:30.881 --> 0:16:35.641 kick him in the right ear every day when he 0:16:35.681 --> 0:16:37.681 was a kid. Tell me, you go through that shit 0:16:37.761 --> 0:16:40.601 and then you're not like a little bit disgruntled with 0:16:40.681 --> 0:16:43.921 the system and want to lash out. I can understand 0:16:43.961 --> 0:16:45.441 if you do the wrong thing and go to jail, 0:16:45.481 --> 0:16:48.761 I get it. But there's reasons behind why people do 0:16:48.801 --> 0:16:53.361 what they do. No one's born bad. It conditioned to 0:16:53.481 --> 0:16:57.521 being bad. One guy he got told by his dad 0:16:58.001 --> 0:17:02.121 every day until he was like seventeen to chop his 0:17:02.201 --> 0:17:04.521 dick off. I'm like, why the fuck would your dad 0:17:04.521 --> 0:17:06.521 tell you that. It's like, I don't know he was crazy. 0:17:06.561 --> 0:17:11.321 I don't know something wrong series, So yeah, just an 0:17:11.360 --> 0:17:13.240 open my eye. I saw a lot of stuff and 0:17:13.281 --> 0:17:18.920 I was like, wow, okay, like this is there's a lot. Again, 0:17:19.001 --> 0:17:22.480 it doesn't justify it, but it's like you can see 0:17:23.120 --> 0:17:26.880 how you know that should have been picked up. You 0:17:26.921 --> 0:17:29.120 know it should be picked up at the end of 0:17:29.120 --> 0:17:31.281 the day. You should have you know, you need a 0:17:31.281 --> 0:17:34.120 license drive a car. You should be checked on when 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.680 you're a parent, Like there should be people going, is 0:17:37.681 --> 0:17:41.281 that kid okay? Because by the time they're eleven, they're 0:17:41.360 --> 0:17:42.281 already gone. 0:17:43.001 --> 0:17:46.160 Lots of dance mates never saw him in jail. You 0:17:46.281 --> 0:17:50.281 remember Evano from an earlier episode. I wanted to see 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.120 that after all the parties in the free hotel rooms, 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:56.841 the girls, the booze, and some other more incriminating things. 0:17:57.241 --> 0:18:00.120 If Havano ever went to see Dan while he was 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.281 in jail for twelve months. 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:06.680 No, I didn't, and I regret it, actually because I 0:18:06.721 --> 0:18:11.001 definitely did have generinely did have his back. But I 0:18:11.041 --> 0:18:14.080 don't know, I was just a little bit. It felt 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:17.440 awkward to be walking into a prison, and I shouldn't have. 0:18:18.201 --> 0:18:19.880 If I had my time again, I would have visited 0:18:19.961 --> 0:18:24.801 him for sure. And so what's your relationship like Dan? Now, Yeah, 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.480 it's good, it's really good. Yeah, we chat on the 0:18:27.521 --> 0:18:31.481 phone from time to time, particularly as I've matured. We're 0:18:31.521 --> 0:18:34.240 similar people. I'd say we're pretty down to worth and 0:18:34.241 --> 0:18:37.281 we both love a good time. But we're not overly 0:18:37.321 --> 0:18:40.360 motivated by money. And yeah, that's why I like it. 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:42.400 That's why I think I'll get along with him. So 0:18:42.441 --> 0:18:45.160 while it's not a yeah, he's not overly ambitious in 0:18:45.241 --> 0:18:46.521 terms of career wise, and. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.801 I like that. Dan really didn't do this for the money, 0:18:50.281 --> 0:18:50.801 definitely not. 0:18:51.521 --> 0:18:55.720 He did it for experiences and to take people along 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:56.960 on the ride with him. 0:18:57.241 --> 0:18:59.161 So what did you learn from the glitch? 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:03.400 I learned that people act differently when you've got money, 0:19:05.120 --> 0:19:09.081 They treat you differently. Yeah, I just saw a lot 0:19:09.120 --> 0:19:13.481 of gold diggers on his phone. He was getting messages 0:19:13.521 --> 0:19:18.680 from countless different people wanting cash, wanting for the party 0:19:18.721 --> 0:19:21.360 to continue. But I mean they weren't his friends. It 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.920 was just people cling on to the money. 0:19:24.481 --> 0:19:27.881 Did money change Dan? No? I don't. I don't think 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:28.241 it did. 0:19:29.041 --> 0:19:32.441 No, he was he was always the same person. Definitely 0:19:32.441 --> 0:19:36.521 didn't when I first met him before the glitch. He 0:19:36.681 --> 0:19:39.241 was that type person who just wants to shout everyone, 0:19:39.241 --> 0:19:42.241 and the money just allowed him to do on a 0:19:42.321 --> 0:19:43.000 greater scale. 0:19:43.521 --> 0:19:45.440 And what do you reckon Dan learned from the glitch? 0:19:46.120 --> 0:19:50.321 He definitely learned who his true friends were, just based 0:19:50.360 --> 0:19:53.321 on all the people who sort of pretty much abandoned him, 0:19:53.321 --> 0:19:57.281 who he probably considered to be good mates. But I 0:19:57.321 --> 0:20:00.721 think he just got an overall perspective on how he 0:20:00.761 --> 0:20:03.600 wants to live his life. He's he's seen what it's 0:20:03.721 --> 0:20:08.120 like to be to be able to spend money on anything, 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.401 and overall his experience is that he doesn't want that anymore. 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.840 Twelve months in jail can change a bloke. Dan spent 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:21.761 twelve months across a bunch of different institutions. He didn't 0:20:21.761 --> 0:20:24.801 become a career criminal like some do. He just kept 0:20:24.801 --> 0:20:28.920 to himself, didn't make any friends, but more so didn't 0:20:28.921 --> 0:20:33.600 make any enemies either. Remember, Dan still has eighteen months 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.920 of community service to do when he gets out, and 0:20:37.481 --> 0:20:40.521 he also has some cash to pay back. Do you 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:47.400 owe the National Australia Bank any money? Well apparently, but yeah, 0:20:47.481 --> 0:20:50.120 I don't know how much do you owe? 0:20:50.521 --> 0:20:53.001 Will they fight the county court find me two hundred 0:20:53.041 --> 0:20:56.440 and fifty thousand dollars? Well, I pay the court, I think, 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.080 and then they that's part of restitutions, so they give 0:21:00.120 --> 0:21:00.921 that back to the net. 0:21:01.681 --> 0:21:04.360 So you pay an installment. So I'm guessing or something, 0:21:04.481 --> 0:21:05.200 not sure. 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.520 I don't know. I don't know how that works, but 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.880 I guess, yeah, I guess installments. And yeah, if I 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:17.120 ever own a property that's that's obviously worth you know, 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:20.001 somewhere near that amount, they will take the property to 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:20.920 pay that. I guess. 0:21:21.041 --> 0:21:23.921 Sure. And so you have a criminal record. Now, yep, 0:21:24.360 --> 0:21:27.001 you get out of jail. Who's there to pick you up? 0:21:27.801 --> 0:21:30.281 Yeah, mum was there. My step brother, one of my 0:21:30.321 --> 0:21:33.561 half brothers was there. So yeah, they just they just 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.681 took me home and and yeah, gave me a home 0:21:36.681 --> 0:21:38.801 cooked meal, and yeah, it was just nice. It was 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.561 nice to see them again. I mean in some ways 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:43.680 like I had, you know, I had a few I 0:21:43.681 --> 0:21:46.360 had a few good friends in jail. Like I you know, 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:47.001 it was like. 0:21:48.481 --> 0:21:49.600 To leave jail. 0:21:49.681 --> 0:21:52.080 It wasn't like it was mixed emotions. It was like, well, 0:21:52.441 --> 0:21:55.640 you know when they sort of strip you and take 0:21:55.721 --> 0:21:58.801 your phone and you know what I mean, clothes. I 0:21:58.961 --> 0:22:01.721 just mean, like when they take everything off you and 0:22:02.360 --> 0:22:05.481 no one could call you, it's kind of free. It's 0:22:05.481 --> 0:22:07.801 a really I can't explain it. It's sort of really 0:22:07.921 --> 0:22:11.441 nice feeling. It's like you're just alone with yourself and 0:22:11.120 --> 0:22:13.840 you and your thoughts and you can gather everything again. 0:22:13.961 --> 0:22:17.640