Speaker 1: Appoche production.
Speaker 2: Episode seven, Dan in the Slammer. It's all over for
Speaker 2: Dan Saunders. He's been caught. Well, he dubbed himself in.
Speaker 1: We've believer a practice that you understand these rights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's had his day in court to find
Speaker 2: out how Dan got here and how the glitch changed
Speaker 2: his life. Head back to the previous six episodes when
Speaker 2: we left d Anne. In the last episode, he was
Speaker 2: found guilty and could have been sentenced to a whole
Speaker 2: lot longer than he.
Speaker 3: Actually got on charge to obtained financial advantage by deception.
Speaker 3: You are convicted and seems to be imprisoned for twelve
Speaker 3: months commencing this day.
Speaker 2: He's got to pay back around two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: grand to the NAB, which is a lot less than
Speaker 2: the one point six million dollars. But that wasn't all.
Speaker 4: Twelve months inside and then eighteen months community corrections order afterwards.
Speaker 1: And so are you let out of the courtroom straight away?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So you basically go downstairs into holding cells and
Speaker 4: then sort of people who have been convicted or they
Speaker 4: have come from jail and they're a waiting to go
Speaker 4: upstairs and that kind of thing, like they basically get
Speaker 4: you know, sort of turfed in with them. But I
Speaker 4: remember I was probably underneath the County Court for about
Speaker 4: two hours, sitting in the suit in a cell with
Speaker 4: a couple of other dudes. And yeah, then the buses
Speaker 4: turn up and take us off to jail. And the
Speaker 4: first place we went was the Melbourne Assessment Prison. And yeah,
Speaker 4: spent like about three or four days there, those few
Speaker 4: days of them at the map. So I was like
Speaker 4: there was grown men like crying on the phone of
Speaker 4: their wives and stuff, and like I remember I woke
Speaker 4: up the first morning and there was I got put
Speaker 4: in a cell. Like when I first went into a cell,
Speaker 4: I went in by myself, and there was like this
Speaker 4: sachet of bleach and that the place dunk. There was
Speaker 4: a sashet of bleach, and I was like, oh, it's weird,
Speaker 4: you know, like just bleach. So I emptied out the
Speaker 4: trash can and used a shower to like put some
Speaker 4: water in it and sort of just just sort of
Speaker 4: cleaned up the place a little bit with the bleach.
Speaker 4: And I learned later on that the bleach was to
Speaker 4: clean like syringes and stuff. Yeah, I didn't actually know that.
Speaker 4: I wasn't use it for clean so like a couple
Speaker 4: of couple of nights later, another guy came into the cell.
Speaker 4: He's like, where's the bleach?
Speaker 1: Like, do you ask questions about what people are in for?
Speaker 4: Not really, like you just sort of let people divulge
Speaker 4: to you, Like, I'm no violent person, so you don't
Speaker 4: really go up to people and just start going off,
Speaker 4: you know, because it's a good way to get smack
Speaker 4: in the head. But you just sort of like I
Speaker 4: remember the first morning I went down and that like,
Speaker 4: you know, as soon as you go down, there's like
Speaker 4: this breakfast sort of table with dry cereals and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I could smell bacon and I was like, surely
Speaker 4: they ain't give it bacon. That's pretty you know. And
Speaker 4: so the bacon you could smell was coming from the
Speaker 4: guard's office. So they're sort of like, you see there's
Speaker 4: this like psychological sort of games, you know, like straight
Speaker 4: off this, yeah, it looks like a bike or something
Speaker 4: is like heavy step blow comes down and he's like,
Speaker 4: where's all the where's.
Speaker 1: All the bacon?
Speaker 4: Someone stole the bacon, you know, And because you couldn't say,
Speaker 4: you know, like there was no bacon on the table,
Speaker 4: you could smell it. And he grabbed this little guy.
Speaker 4: He just held him against the wall. He's like, did
Speaker 4: you have any fucking bacon? He's like, no, no, I
Speaker 4: didn't not swear. I sweat like so I was just like, okay,
Speaker 4: that's what we're in. We're in a fucking We're in
Speaker 4: a madhouse. That's what it is. So you just got
Speaker 4: to sort of have your wits about it because you know,
Speaker 4: there's always stuff going to go on like that. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean so a few days later, I moved to
Speaker 4: move to Port Philip.
Speaker 1: So you walk into Port Philip. That's a max security jail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just so like real, real dirty. They call it
Speaker 4: Port Putrich.
Speaker 1: That just reaped read and reeks.
Speaker 4: Of I just you know, like there's something called called
Speaker 4: brownie up and what they do is they they ship
Speaker 4: like an inmate will ship on their hand and then
Speaker 4: wipe it all over the cell. You know, like so
Speaker 4: it just yeah, like it just makes for an absolute yeah,
Speaker 4: like it just reads disaster. Yeah, you know, thankfully it
Speaker 4: wasn't like that in order to the souts like it
Speaker 4: wasn't like that. But yeah, I mean I just I
Speaker 4: don't know. I just talked to people. I don't know
Speaker 4: how it happened. I like bought I bought a lot
Speaker 4: of I bought a lot of cigarettes, like a lot
Speaker 4: of a lot of pouches of tobacco and stuff, and
Speaker 4: I thought, I just need to get it's much stuff
Speaker 4: as I can get. And then sort of because like
Speaker 4: sort of currency I heard that. I don't know, I
Speaker 4: didn't know anything. Like there was people in court that
Speaker 4: go to court because they know they're going to jail,
Speaker 4: so they go to court in their comfy clothes with
Speaker 4: a pillow. So that's what they take downstairs with him,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So they're like all ready
Speaker 4: to go on the bus, you know, and they got
Speaker 4: pillow and it's insane, you know, like he's me in
Speaker 4: the suit going.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 4: But yeah, like if you go a few times, you
Speaker 4: start to you know, you know what it's like. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so anyway, like yeah, they just sort of when you
Speaker 4: get into they just strip your bear and and then yeah,
Speaker 4: just take all your possessions, take everything off you on
Speaker 4: and then yeah, they put you Like I's just like
Speaker 4: what you see in the show is basically but it's
Speaker 4: it's pretty like it's pretty hectic place. Max Security is
Speaker 4: pretty pretty hectic.
Speaker 2: As I've said before, I haven't been to jail and
Speaker 2: have really no plans to go. I do know a
Speaker 2: few people that have been inside. Outside of Dan, the
Speaker 2: people I know have spent lots of time in jail.
Speaker 2: One of those blokes is a guy called Brent.
Speaker 5: I'm known as simmer All up fourteen years jail since
Speaker 5: the age of twelve.
Speaker 2: He has a successful podcast called The Clink, which is
Speaker 2: about stories of people who did some bad stuff and
Speaker 2: how they've redeemed himself. Brent's not a bad guy, but
Speaker 2: you also don't fuck with him. His background is he
Speaker 2: was a sergeant at arms for a biker gang and
Speaker 2: went to importation of drugs. So I wanted to ask
Speaker 2: a pro what it's like when you see someone like
Speaker 2: Dan walk in to a maximum security prison.
Speaker 1: And you be in a maximum security jow.
Speaker 5: First of all, don't eeball anyone. No one wants to
Speaker 5: hear your fucking story. Don't ask anything of anyone, Be quiet,
Speaker 5: keep your eyes wide open, sit with your back.
Speaker 4: In the corner of the room.
Speaker 1: And just listen.
Speaker 5: Bottom line, your personality is what's going to identify you
Speaker 5: and work out who you are. Everybody watches body language,
Speaker 5: Everybody listens. Soon enough, they're going to work out whether
Speaker 5: you're an AB or just a D for dick. And
Speaker 5: if that's what you are, that's how you be treated.
Speaker 5: You want to play the alpha, be prepared for the games.
Speaker 5: The games could cost you your life. Want to be
Speaker 5: b Just keep your mouth shut to your own time.
Speaker 2: We've seen the movies dropping the so bashings.
Speaker 1: Is that what it's really like.
Speaker 5: I'll never tell anybody. The worst thing I've seen in jail.
Speaker 4: Oh, the worst I saw in terms of like violence
Speaker 4: was probably guy ate. So he went to the visit
Speaker 4: center and he ate balloons full of ice, which they
Speaker 4: which they hide girlfriends and partners and her friends hide
Speaker 4: it and so they swallow it. And yeah, one of
Speaker 4: the balloons burst in his stomach. So basically like he
Speaker 4: was absolutely screaming his head off for about four hours
Speaker 4: and then he eventually like just went silent and he
Speaker 4: passed away.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, and he was in the cells.
Speaker 4: He was like in a cell that was about four
Speaker 4: cells for five cells away. So that was Yeah, that
Speaker 4: was pretty crazy. But also the violence was probably two
Speaker 4: guys held another guy down while a third guy put
Speaker 4: a dunny brush up his ass, and like held out
Speaker 4: the dunny brush and it was just blood and crap
Speaker 4: all over it, and then said that's what happens if
Speaker 4: you fuck with us. And I was like, well, remimmy,
Speaker 4: never do business with those guys.
Speaker 1: So how do you find a crew in maximum security? Chael, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like I people automatically thought that I was like a
Speaker 4: wife basher, or I was like drink driving or something,
Speaker 4: or I was a cop. That's how they felt about me. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but so when I told people that a.
Speaker 1: Couple of those will get you bashed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. So but yeah, I was pretty
Speaker 4: lucky early on that I gave I think I gave
Speaker 4: a cigarette to the right guy and people saw us
Speaker 4: talking and he was quite sort of influential, so people
Speaker 4: sort of left me alone once I told people that
Speaker 4: I took money off a bank, and then what happens
Speaker 4: is see, if you lie, it's even worse, so they
Speaker 4: go and check. So lucky there was someone to put
Speaker 4: that interview on YouTube, so it was quite accessible that,
Speaker 4: you know, people could validate the story and it'd be like,
Speaker 4: so people come up and ask you, well, you know,
Speaker 4: why are you here? You look like clean skin? What
Speaker 4: did you do. I'd be like I took some money
Speaker 4: off a bank and they'd be like, oh, yeah, did you,
Speaker 4: And a couple of days later I'd be like, hey, bro,
Speaker 4: yeah I rang my missus. You are Yeah, you took
Speaker 4: some money off the bank. Yeah, good on you, good
Speaker 4: on you. You know this sort of thing. So after
Speaker 4: that it was all like it was all right, Like
Speaker 4: I stand at the end of the line for the
Speaker 4: like it's cold pizza, Like I'll give a shit about
Speaker 4: cold pizza, you know what I mean. Like there's not
Speaker 4: only serving rockpool there, you know what I mean? There
Speaker 4: was seven you know shit pizza. I used to go
Speaker 4: to Australia's best restaurant that's called Scoppery in North Carlton, right,
Speaker 4: the best, the best restaurant ever you see this way
Speaker 4: to named Georgia, not case but the most beautiful man
Speaker 4: go and give him a tip. Is the best guy
Speaker 4: if you hadn't told me, Like their signature dishes Agnalotti
Speaker 4: belt Plin, right, which is like a beautiful rakedy that's
Speaker 4: filled with like veal, pork and rabbit, beautiful beautiful dish,
Speaker 4: beautiful like they went seven that who cares? Like do
Speaker 4: you want to go first? Go first, no problem, might
Speaker 4: not care. So I wasn't trying to ruffle anyone's feathers.
Speaker 4: I wasn't like, you know, trying to be the first.
Speaker 4: You know, in the morning, they put like bread and
Speaker 4: jam out for breakfast, people just going, you know, steal
Speaker 4: it because it's jail, Like no one leaves any for
Speaker 4: anyone else. Like the people closest to it go and
Speaker 4: steal it and then they you know, barter for it.
Speaker 4: But I think I was interested in like some jail
Speaker 4: cook brand and some you know, shit fucking doughnut jam.
Speaker 4: Don't you care about that whatever?
Speaker 1: Mum come to visit. Yes, you did. Yeah, how's that?
Speaker 1: It was good?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good. She goes, Oh, you know, I can
Speaker 4: nail you down for a two hour conversation every now
Speaker 4: and then. You know, it's like, at least I know
Speaker 4: where you are. Probably the only thing I regret is
Speaker 4: her having to come visit me in Max security jail,
Speaker 4: because it's like, you know, sometimes you've got to like
Speaker 4: get searched when you walk in, and it's very Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a very intimidating place. Like I'm not I'm not
Speaker 4: a fighter, but you have to like you have to
Speaker 4: defend yourself because you will get steamrolled if you don't.
Speaker 1: Did you have to you have to do that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to. Like if you're challenged and people
Speaker 4: see you go down like a sack ship, then you're
Speaker 4: like automatically someone's you know, someone's bitch, So you've got
Speaker 4: to fight back. Most people who were there for a
Speaker 4: long time, I'd sit and talk to them because, like,
Speaker 4: I found their story interesting. So I'd actually just be
Speaker 4: talking to the people who were in there for twenty years.
Speaker 4: So once you start doing that, people don't really come
Speaker 4: up and pick on your Like it's not it's just
Speaker 4: like a shit school camp, you know. Yeah, it's all ease.
Speaker 1: So it was a year on the top. As far
Speaker 1: as the sentence goes, yeah, yeah, can you get out early?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: No, it was just like a straight sentence. So when
Speaker 4: I went to the country jail, it was a bit
Speaker 4: it was a bit better, but not, you know, not much.
Speaker 4: It was still like violence, and you had more things,
Speaker 4: so you had like knives like on a chain and stuff.
Speaker 1: But in a way that was.
Speaker 4: Almost sort of worse because it was like, you know,
Speaker 4: you could just rip the knife off the chain or
Speaker 4: you know, I saw once two guys got a guy
Speaker 4: and took him to the knife and then a third
Speaker 4: guy knifeed him of. One of the funniest things I
Speaker 4: ever saw in jail was I could buy from the cans,
Speaker 4: and you could buy these cans of soup, you know,
Speaker 4: like high ind soup and whatever, and to heat it up.
Speaker 4: This guy thought he'd put it. So we lived in
Speaker 4: these like little units like with kitchens and stuff. So
Speaker 4: there was four cells in the unit, but then there
Speaker 4: was like communal kitchen type thing, and he put the
Speaker 4: can on the electric element to heat up right, and
Speaker 4: forgot about it.
Speaker 1: And it made this It was like.
Speaker 4: A bomb, Like it just went like it was like
Speaker 4: this old mighty crack and the whole unit, like the
Speaker 4: whole kitchen was just covered in tomato.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like a blood bath, but just yeah, but just.
Speaker 4: Stuff like that all the time. Like a couple of
Speaker 4: the Islander boys decided to be like wo to hijack
Speaker 4: the milk cart and steal all the milk for the
Speaker 4: jail and then just sat around in the middle of
Speaker 4: like an oval and that got this topping stuff and
Speaker 4: we're just making milkshakes and like shaking the little five
Speaker 4: hundred pure boxes of milk and singing my milkshake brings
Speaker 4: all the boys to the uh you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: Like like far parts of it were hilarious. I remember
Speaker 4: I saw this guy and he's like, ask me what
Speaker 4: I'm in for. And I'm like, man, I don't care.
Speaker 4: It's all good, you know, like whatever you did, like
Speaker 4: it's not you didn't do anything. It gets me. He's
Speaker 4: no worries, He's like, no, no, ask me.
Speaker 1: Ask me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, what did you do? And he's like,
Speaker 4: murder on the dance floor, bro, murder on the dance floor.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, that's good. One. He goes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: that's what I say. He goes, that's what I say.
Speaker 4: That's great, that's great, and you go, but how you
Speaker 4: didn't you didn't kill the groove? They did you And
Speaker 4: he's like, ah, dad didn't kill the groove. But just
Speaker 4: stuff like that, you know, like look, no doubt. People
Speaker 4: are in jail for a reason, and I was in
Speaker 4: jail for a reason. Like you got to remember, these
Speaker 4: people didn't get red bedtime stories when they were kids.
Speaker 4: One guy told me he was like he didn't he
Speaker 4: couldn't hear in one ear because his dad used to
Speaker 4: kick him in the right ear every day when he
Speaker 4: was a kid. Tell me, you go through that shit
Speaker 4: and then you're not like a little bit disgruntled with
Speaker 4: the system and want to lash out. I can understand
Speaker 4: if you do the wrong thing and go to jail,
Speaker 4: I get it. But there's reasons behind why people do
Speaker 4: what they do. No one's born bad. It conditioned to
Speaker 4: being bad. One guy he got told by his dad
Speaker 4: every day until he was like seventeen to chop his
Speaker 4: dick off. I'm like, why the fuck would your dad
Speaker 4: tell you that. It's like, I don't know he was crazy.
Speaker 4: I don't know something wrong series, So yeah, just an
Speaker 4: open my eye. I saw a lot of stuff and
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, okay, like this is there's a lot. Again,
Speaker 4: it doesn't justify it, but it's like you can see
Speaker 4: how you know that should have been picked up. You
Speaker 4: know it should be picked up at the end of
Speaker 4: the day. You should have you know, you need a
Speaker 4: license drive a car. You should be checked on when
Speaker 4: you're a parent, Like there should be people going, is
Speaker 4: that kid okay? Because by the time they're eleven, they're
Speaker 4: already gone.
Speaker 2: Lots of dance mates never saw him in jail. You
Speaker 2: remember Evano from an earlier episode. I wanted to see
Speaker 2: that after all the parties in the free hotel rooms,
Speaker 2: the girls, the booze, and some other more incriminating things.
Speaker 2: If Havano ever went to see Dan while he was
Speaker 2: in jail for twelve months.
Speaker 6: No, I didn't, and I regret it, actually because I
Speaker 6: definitely did have generinely did have his back. But I
Speaker 6: don't know, I was just a little bit. It felt
Speaker 6: awkward to be walking into a prison, and I shouldn't have.
Speaker 6: If I had my time again, I would have visited
Speaker 6: him for sure. And so what's your relationship like Dan? Now, Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's good, it's really good. Yeah, we chat on the
Speaker 6: phone from time to time, particularly as I've matured. We're
Speaker 6: similar people. I'd say we're pretty down to worth and
Speaker 6: we both love a good time. But we're not overly
Speaker 6: motivated by money. And yeah, that's why I like it.
Speaker 6: That's why I think I'll get along with him. So
Speaker 6: while it's not a yeah, he's not overly ambitious in
Speaker 6: terms of career wise, and.
Speaker 1: I like that. Dan really didn't do this for the money,
Speaker 1: definitely not.
Speaker 6: He did it for experiences and to take people along
Speaker 6: on the ride with him.
Speaker 1: So what did you learn from the glitch?
Speaker 6: I learned that people act differently when you've got money,
Speaker 6: They treat you differently. Yeah, I just saw a lot
Speaker 6: of gold diggers on his phone. He was getting messages
Speaker 6: from countless different people wanting cash, wanting for the party
Speaker 6: to continue. But I mean they weren't his friends. It
Speaker 6: was just people cling on to the money.
Speaker 1: Did money change Dan? No? I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it did.
Speaker 6: No, he was he was always the same person. Definitely
Speaker 6: didn't when I first met him before the glitch. He
Speaker 6: was that type person who just wants to shout everyone,
Speaker 6: and the money just allowed him to do on a
Speaker 6: greater scale.
Speaker 1: And what do you reckon Dan learned from the glitch?
Speaker 6: He definitely learned who his true friends were, just based
Speaker 6: on all the people who sort of pretty much abandoned him,
Speaker 6: who he probably considered to be good mates. But I
Speaker 6: think he just got an overall perspective on how he
Speaker 6: wants to live his life. He's he's seen what it's
Speaker 6: like to be to be able to spend money on anything,
Speaker 6: and overall his experience is that he doesn't want that anymore.
Speaker 2: Twelve months in jail can change a bloke. Dan spent
Speaker 2: twelve months across a bunch of different institutions. He didn't
Speaker 2: become a career criminal like some do. He just kept
Speaker 2: to himself, didn't make any friends, but more so didn't
Speaker 2: make any enemies either. Remember, Dan still has eighteen months
Speaker 2: of community service to do when he gets out, and
Speaker 2: he also has some cash to pay back. Do you
Speaker 2: owe the National Australia Bank any money? Well apparently, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much do you owe?
Speaker 4: Will they fight the county court find me two hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty thousand dollars? Well, I pay the court, I think,
Speaker 4: and then they that's part of restitutions, so they give
Speaker 4: that back to the net.
Speaker 1: So you pay an installment. So I'm guessing or something,
Speaker 1: not sure.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know how that works, but
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, I guess installments. And yeah, if I
Speaker 4: ever own a property that's that's obviously worth you know,
Speaker 4: somewhere near that amount, they will take the property to
Speaker 4: pay that. I guess.
Speaker 1: Sure. And so you have a criminal record. Now, yep,
Speaker 1: you get out of jail. Who's there to pick you up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, mum was there. My step brother, one of my
Speaker 4: half brothers was there. So yeah, they just they just
Speaker 4: took me home and and yeah, gave me a home
Speaker 4: cooked meal, and yeah, it was just nice. It was
Speaker 4: nice to see them again. I mean in some ways
Speaker 4: like I had, you know, I had a few I
Speaker 4: had a few good friends in jail. Like I you know,
Speaker 4: it was like.
Speaker 1: To leave jail.
Speaker 4: It wasn't like it was mixed emotions. It was like, well,
Speaker 4: you know when they sort of strip you and take
Speaker 4: your phone and you know what I mean, clothes. I
Speaker 4: just mean, like when they take everything off you and
Speaker 4: no one could call you, it's kind of free. It's
Speaker 4: a really I can't explain it. It's sort of really
Speaker 4: nice feeling. It's like you're just alone with yourself and
Speaker 4: you and your thoughts and you can gather everything again.
Speaker 4: It's it's pretty Yeah, it's pretty wonderful feeling. Like I'd
Speaker 4: recommend it not jail, but I'd recommend just going and
Speaker 4: switching everything off for a while and you know, just
Speaker 4: having some time with yourself because it's good. I think
Speaker 4: we stopped at the supermarket on the way home and
Speaker 4: and I just looked at the morning fresh There was
Speaker 4: a big display of Morning Fresh, and I hadn't seen
Speaker 4: Morning Fresh for like years. I was like, it's amazing.
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna sit back and have a look at this,
Speaker 4: because like everything in jail never seemed quite clean, you know,
Speaker 4: Like I thought to myself all the time. I was like,
Speaker 4: you know, I just had some Morning Fresh. I really
Speaker 4: just clean this plate nicely, and like clean this cutlery,
Speaker 4: and everything just be better with the bit Morning Fresh.
Speaker 2: There was also the bit about the money Dan stole
Speaker 2: from the safe of the restaurant that he was working at.
Speaker 2: Remember the ones that didn't pay their staff. So Dan
Speaker 2: stole the money, paid the staff and took them all
Speaker 2: to dinner.
Speaker 4: So actually in jail, in jail, I did the court
Speaker 4: case for the restaurant, of course, so I did that
Speaker 4: via video link, and the magistrate said, so it was
Speaker 4: pretty much an open and shutcase, pretty much like the
Speaker 4: first one. But the magistrate did say in his closing
Speaker 4: remarks he said, now I understand you're in jail for
Speaker 4: other reasons. I looked at his face. He was the
Speaker 4: magistrate I'd talked to at the restaurant. Yes, so he
Speaker 4: said in his closing remarks he said, look, I'm sure
Speaker 4: this is not you know, this doesn't seem like it's
Speaker 4: in your character that you'd normally do something like this. However,
Speaker 4: you have done the wrong thing and I must give
Speaker 4: you a sentence for it. However, I believe there are
Speaker 4: reasons you did this, which we're not going to go
Speaker 4: into here. That's what he said. I was like, you
Speaker 4: know what, that's actually enough for me. I'm happy with that.
Speaker 4: And then he gave me six months concurrent, so time served.
Speaker 4: He knew I was in jail for a year, so
Speaker 4: he gave me six months in jail to run concurrently
Speaker 4: with the sentence. I already had, so no more time.
Speaker 4: So I was like, you know what, thanks for that.
Speaker 4: Because we had the conversation and he was like, you
Speaker 4: know what's going I remember he asked me. He said, Hey,
Speaker 4: what's going on with the cash thing? Like we can't
Speaker 4: We like to come over here, but we can't pay cash.
Speaker 4: We've got to pay with that, you know, the company can't,
Speaker 4: so to speak.
Speaker 2: So Dan gets out of jail, but he's still going
Speaker 2: to serve eighteen months of community service.
Speaker 4: Community service was stacking chair all that sort of thing,
Speaker 4: like if I had it, if I had had to
Speaker 4: stack chairs for five years. That would have been worse
Speaker 4: than going to jail for one year. That was shit
Speaker 4: stacking chairs where well, like just community centers. It wasn't
Speaker 4: always stacking chairs. But I say that because other menial
Speaker 4: tasks are that. So you know, like it might have
Speaker 4: been you know, going to the food bank and helping
Speaker 4: out the food bank and you know, look, I can't
Speaker 4: I met a lot of great people doing that. I
Speaker 4: met a woman that I was in a relationship for
Speaker 4: a while with doing that. So that was actually that
Speaker 4: was really good and it was good to do something
Speaker 4: in the community. I liked it. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: it wasn't It wasn't like yeah, I mean you were
Speaker 4: there for you know, six hours, you know, every week
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Dan is released from prison in May of twoy sixteen.
Speaker 1: So it's been a while since you've been out of jail.
Speaker 1: Since since jail, you've done a bunch of stuff.
Speaker 4: Haven't been back yet.
Speaker 1: Haven't been back.
Speaker 4: That's good, which is you know, I think about forty
Speaker 4: percent people go back.
Speaker 1: Dan. How is how are you now? I don't know?
Speaker 4: You tell you tell me.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look bloody normal, You look like just
Speaker 1: a normal bloke, how do you feel about what happened?
Speaker 4: Well, I definitely had a hangover period afterwards, Like when
Speaker 4: I was working at that restaurant and stuff like, it
Speaker 4: was definitely like the staff from there. I can tell
Speaker 4: you some wild times, like we had some crazy nights
Speaker 4: because I was sort of like trying to recreate you know,
Speaker 4: the stuff that was happening at the bank with no cash,
Speaker 4: with no cash, with minimal, minimal cash. Now, I mean
Speaker 4: it's just I mean, it's almost like it didn't happen now,
Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, my life's completely different. I've
Speaker 4: certainly got it. Had a window into a world that
Speaker 4: you know, I had a curiosity about, but no longer do.
Speaker 4: I'm no longer under the illusion that people with more
Speaker 4: money or any better people. They're just they're just different.
Speaker 4: Got a wealthy mate. I always have a joke with him
Speaker 4: about like he's got an outfit for everything. You don't
Speaker 4: play tenancy like busy tennis kid. It's like, mate, just
Speaker 4: wear some like board shorts and don't worry about you know,
Speaker 4: like he's always got you know, so so wealthy people
Speaker 4: always have an outfit, like their teeth are usually like impeccable.
Speaker 4: But he's got he's got a yacht and that's a
Speaker 4: bit of fun to go. So you know he's got
Speaker 4: you know, he has a crack back at me and goes, yeah,
Speaker 4: he didn't, he didn't, He didn't even save any money made.
Speaker 4: But you know, but.
Speaker 1: How did you meet this wealthy mate just at a bar?
Speaker 1: Just a bar or not not not during the time
Speaker 1: of fun or during the time of fun.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean so many people during that time. It's
Speaker 4: it's the gift that keeps him giving a lot of
Speaker 4: the time because it's like you've got still got these
Speaker 4: great connections with this. You know, you walk into a
Speaker 4: party and there's someone who you've gone through some crazy
Speaker 4: experience with and all you need to do is go
Speaker 4: there you going, you know, bit of a raised eyebrow,
Speaker 4: and everyone knows what you taught. You know, you both
Speaker 4: know what you're talking about. And even though he was
Speaker 4: you know, he was very wealthy then and he still
Speaker 4: is very wealthy. You like, he doesn't care about that,
Speaker 4: Like it's about the connection that we re formed. It
Speaker 4: wasn't the fact that you know, like, yeah, I was
Speaker 4: sure I was getting the money from somewhere else, but
Speaker 4: or stealing the money, you know, as a you know
Speaker 4: now is it's transpired. But he doesn't see that as.
Speaker 1: Being an issue.
Speaker 4: He's just like, well, you know, there's more than one
Speaker 4: may to skin a cat, you know, to show up
Speaker 4: with that, you know, like some cold drinks and go
Speaker 4: out on the yacht for the day. That's better than owner,
Speaker 4: you know, the only you got so much shit to
Speaker 4: worry about assurance, it's better just to have a mate.
Speaker 4: And you just show up and you're just like, yeah, great,
Speaker 4: still have an account with the air No, no, now
Speaker 4: accounts with the NAB.
Speaker 1: Still still able to get a bank account?
Speaker 4: Yeah, bank accounts, okay, can do at this stage, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure after this podcast, I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: basically going to keep talking about it until the NAB
Speaker 4: hires a hit man and kills me.
Speaker 1: What about girlfriend, Now, have you got a girlfriend or anything?
Speaker 4: No? No, well I said, I haven't got a girlfriend.
Speaker 4: I've got I've got a fiance and she's a love
Speaker 4: my life. It's probably due to her. While I look, you.
Speaker 1: Know so fresh, don't drink anymore?
Speaker 4: No, not really, like look, I'm not I'm not totally
Speaker 4: putting into bed like if you've got, tell me what
Speaker 4: you've got.
Speaker 1: If you've got a nights bottle beer in the fridge.
Speaker 4: Look, you know it's it's it's that kind of thing,
Speaker 4: like it's I've done it to death. I really gave
Speaker 4: it a crack, and you know, now I'm forty years old.
Speaker 4: What am I going to do anyway? It look like
Speaker 4: even if you go to the bar and you try
Speaker 4: and smash it up, you still look a bit funny.
Speaker 4: When you're forty, Say you want kids and you have them,
Speaker 4: do you tell the kids about what you did? I
Speaker 4: think they'll probably know because I don't think you can. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't think you can hide a movie for me kids.
Speaker 4: I've been to jail, so I've seen what people what
Speaker 4: a job people can do with their kids. So I
Speaker 4: don't think i'll do I don't think i'll do a
Speaker 4: bad job.
Speaker 1: You just mentioned a movie. Is there a chance of
Speaker 1: a movie?
Speaker 4: Here's a chance. Yeah, But it's like you know, like
Speaker 4: I mean, if you say you know you're going to
Speaker 4: do a movie, then you know invariably you won't. So
Speaker 4: I don't know. I've got no idea. There is a
Speaker 4: high level of interest. I'll put it that way. But
Speaker 4: you know, I'm not in charge of movies. I can't
Speaker 4: make one, so I guess it's up to other people.
Speaker 2: Dan's done a fair bit of media. You might have
Speaker 2: heard his podcast with Adam Shanned or The Story on
Speaker 2: a few other podcasts, but in this one he really
Speaker 2: has told us everything. As we're writing this final episode,
Speaker 2: we got the text that we've been waiting for from Dan.
Speaker 2: He signed a deal for his story to be turned
Speaker 2: into a movie with a US studio. Things are going
Speaker 2: to start to heat up for Dan with a movie deal,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to know who Dan Reckons could play
Speaker 2: him if it's ever made.
Speaker 1: If I had to choose, I don't know.
Speaker 4: The biggest you can get DiCaprio, Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think I think DiCaprio or maybe some of the Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe some of the women he dates
Speaker 4: would be a better age, so maybe someone younger. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm not too sure, though. I don't know anyone who
Speaker 4: had the passion for the story and wanted to play
Speaker 4: me i'd be happy with.
Speaker 2: Since we started releasing episodes of The Glitch, a fair
Speaker 2: bits happened. There's been a lot of hype around Dan's story.
Speaker 2: He's done more TV and radio promoting the podcast.
Speaker 1: This is an incredible story. We're about to talk to Dan.
Speaker 6: He has a new podcast, The Glitch, which is now
Speaker 6: on the iHeartRadio app Hi.
Speaker 1: Dan, Guys, what a wonderful story this is, but not.
Speaker 2: So wonderful in the end.
Speaker 1: Tell us like you had your ATM card.
Speaker 2: The podcast is being listened to right across the worldtend.
Speaker 2: We originally planned to wrap up the last episode with
Speaker 2: questions from you about anything you wanted to know about
Speaker 2: The Glitch and what happened for Dan, and that was
Speaker 2: supposed to be episode eight. But along this journey in
Speaker 2: Dan telling his story, we've become mates and he's now
Speaker 2: told us some of the looser stories that Dan hasn't
Speaker 2: yet told.
Speaker 4: Probably the most cringey story I can tell you.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: So we will now have an episode eight with your questions,
Speaker 2: plus an update on the Hollywood movie deal and some
Speaker 2: of the looser stories that Dan has never told. Some
Speaker 2: people listening to this will say that you're a legend.
Speaker 2: You screwed the big guy. Well done.
Speaker 1: Some people will say he's a common thief.
Speaker 4: I really don't care what people think about me. I
Speaker 4: mean I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm not at
Speaker 4: the end of this going to go, hey, have you
Speaker 4: got about forty five minutes, because I'd love to talk
Speaker 4: about the Lord Jesus Christ. You know, I'm not interested
Speaker 4: in I'm not trying to give you anything here. All
Speaker 4: I'm telling you is a story. I don't owe you anything.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be your friend. And hey, if
Speaker 4: you hate me, go for it. But my advice would
Speaker 4: be wind something else to do it. Look, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: That's next time on the glitch. Are you ashamed of
Speaker 2: this story?
Speaker 1: Oh, like a little bit.
Speaker 4: And I also don't like I don't want to make
Speaker 4: of it either. Really, I mean, it's just it's an
Speaker 4: example of when you give people unlimited funds. She's sort
Speaker 4: of been out to, you know, the whole party of
Speaker 4: about you know, sort of fifty people that she was
Speaker 4: just wanted to get laid And yeah, there was this.
Speaker 7: We were in the casino and Crown Casino in Melbourne
Speaker 7: and made of Mine just had an idea that it
Speaker 7: was going to start daring people to take the rule
Speaker 7: a ball out of the wheel.
Speaker 4: We just went and did the most outland of stuff,
Speaker 4: like the stuff that we would never do any other time.
Speaker 4: All these stories not you know, not particularly proud of that,
Speaker 4: but it's just, you know, something that something that happened