1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigall 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: people of the Uran Nation. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 2: Hello, I'm Joe Hildebrand. Welcome to the Real Story. 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 3: It's our very first episode since the election has been called, 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 3: and I'm absolutely bursting at the scenes and tell you 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 3: everything that's going on. I've just been swamped with information, 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 3: everything from what's happening inside each of the camps, everything 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 3: from what's happening in the seats that really matter, including 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 3: some really ugly stuff in Southwest Sydney. Plus who's going 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: to win? Yes, I'm going to call it. Don't go anywhere. 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: So first up this week, and there's just been so 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: much happening this week. 13 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: I don't know what to put first, but I think 14 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: Peter Dutton saying that he's going to fight Donald Trump 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 3: has got to be right up there. Yes, the opposition 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: leader came out on Wednesday morning and said he's going 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: to go toe to toe with the US President. I 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: love this stuff because what has been missing from this 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 3: campaign so far has been macroeconomic reform and a cage fight. 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: And we're not going to get the reform, so he 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: might as well have the cage fight. And Peter Dutton 22 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: is in this incredibly invidious, just unforgiving position where he 23 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: just can't seem to move in one direction or another 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: without getting belted by the left or the right. And 25 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: we'll talk about that and how he is almost structurally 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 3: incapable of sort of breaking out of this well, this 27 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: cage if you like. That's why they call it a 28 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: cage match. And that's why he's come out this week 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: and said that he'll fight Donald Trump for Australias interest. 30 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 3: He'll fight on these are the words he actually used. 31 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: He will fight Donald Trump or any other world leader. 32 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 3: And of course it's reminiscent of Tony Abbot's fantastic pledge 33 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: that he'd shirt front Vladimir Putin. So this is fantastic 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: Trump and Putin. Both of them could be taken out 35 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: by two Australian liberal leaders. What fun times ahead. So 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 3: why has Peter Dutton come out and said this, Well, 37 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: the problem is that Peter Dutton has been identified with 38 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, for better or worse by both his own side, 39 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: the core of sort of hard right if you like, 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: supporters or solid right supporters on his own side, as 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: well as the left as well as the Labor Party, 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: which had been trying to box him in that very 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: same corner that his supporters are trying to put him in. Now, 44 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 3: this was all well and good when Trump was riding 45 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 3: high and pulled off the biggest comeback in US political history, 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: came back and won the US presidency against all the odds, 47 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 3: came back and won both Houses of Congress, most of 48 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: the governorships, a whole lot. Trump had just got an 49 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: absolute clean sweep. It was the death of woke. Remember 50 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: he's just single handedly destroyed woke woo freedom and that 51 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 3: was absolutely great. Then at the end of last year, 52 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: when Trump was riding high, Peter Dutton was riding high 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: and the government was on the anti Albanez. He was 54 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 3: behind in the polls, Labor was behind in the polls. 55 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 3: And you didn't even need the polls to tell you 56 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: that people were miserable. The cost of living crisis was 57 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 3: just crunching people's finances. People were going backwards. We hadn't 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: had a rate cut. We were going into Christmas things 59 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: costing more than ever and things not feeling very Christmasy 60 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: at all. But for weeks a long time in politics, 61 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: three months is an eternity. And since then, Donald Trump 62 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 3: has gone from being this great fun freedom fighter who 63 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 3: we all kind of love and if we don't love him, 64 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: we love to hate him to being someone who was 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: an active threat to Australia's interest is whacked on not 66 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: just tariffs on our steel and aluminium exports, which kind 67 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: of aren't actually that much in the grand scheme of things, 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: but still it shows that the US isn't much of 69 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: a friend to Australia when we've been the US's best 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: friend in every war that they've had since World War II. 71 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: So it's just, you know, it's a bit hurt feelings. 72 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 3: And now he's actually threatening to take on our pharmaceutical 73 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 3: benefit scheme to basically force US to pay more money 74 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: for life saving medicines. And he's opened up a front 75 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: on a whole range of other exports and imports between 76 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: Australia and the US that could cause massive amounts of damage. 77 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 3: And again this ranges from financial damage, is actually hurting 78 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: our health when it comes to our subsidized medicines, which 79 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: the big US pharmaceutical companies say, oh, that's anti competitive, 80 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: you can't do that. So suddenly Donald Trump has gone 81 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: and the numbers have actually flipped this way from a 82 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 3: sort of sixty forty people saying oh, yeah, he's pretty 83 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: good for Australia to sixty forty saying no, this guy 84 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 3: is bad news. And so suddenly Peter Dutton's association with 85 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: Donald Trump, which when the ALP was trying to demonize Dutton, 86 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: you know, didn't look like it was quite sticking when 87 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: Trump was riding high, suddenly it really is Orange Man 88 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: bad and Donald Trump is seen as absolute poison for 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: Australian politics. And guess what, Peter Dutton is still associated 90 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 3: with him. So what happens then, well, this is the thing. 91 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: If Peter Dutton distanced himself too much from Donald Trump, 92 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: his base jump up and down and say no, you've 93 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: got to take a strong stand on something, you know, 94 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: pick some more culture wars, and they accuse him of 95 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: being too close to Albo, saying, oh, you're just agreeing 96 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 3: to everything the government does, Like he agreed to, guess what, 97 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 3: the eight point five billion dollars in medicare very closely 98 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 3: associated with those cheaper medicines as well, Like he agreed 99 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 3: to the one hundred and fifty dollars power Bill rebate. 100 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: And then suddenly people say, oh, it's me too, politics, 101 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: it's me too politics. I actually said it was me 102 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 3: too politics. And then Peter Dunton suddenly says, okay, then 103 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: we're going to block your tax cuts. I was hang Onry, sorry, 104 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 3: hang on a minute, you're going to back in all 105 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: the other stuff and then block the tax cuts. 106 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 2: Which party did you say you were from? Again? 107 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: And this is this is what's happening with Peter Duttan. 108 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 3: He's leaping from one decision and then to another decision 109 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: on the opposite side of the political spectrum, and he 110 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: started to tangle himself up. He's starting to look like 111 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: he doesn't really know where he sits politically, ideologically, even 112 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: just sort of tactically in the middle of an election campaign. 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 3: And it's like he's kind of like that ball on 114 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: a string at the end of a wooden bat where 115 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: you just whack it away and it just comes straight 116 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 3: back again to get whacked in the other direction. And 117 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter which way he goes, he still ends 118 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 3: up piecing off either his base or middle Australian voters 119 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 3: who don't like trump Ism and are very wary of 120 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 3: importing it into Australian politics. And this is the classic 121 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 3: bind that Dutton has found himself in and he just 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: can't seem to break out of it. So that's all 123 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 3: the background. Fast forward to this week and he says, oh, 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: I'm not like Donald Trump at all. In fact, I'll 125 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: fight Donald Trump. And guess what, elbows come out, and said, so, ah, 126 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: that's a bit much, isn't it. It's a bit of aggressive. 127 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: That's a bit you know, it's a bit agro. Was 128 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: his exact words, because he always turns it up to eleven. 129 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: It was his exact words. And so again Trump gets 130 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 3: boxed into a corner and then overcorrect and then gets 131 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: boxed into another corner. So suddenly, by trying to distance 132 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 3: himself from Donald Trump in the strongest possible terms, by 133 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 3: saying he'll actually fight Donald Trump, I assume he doesn't 134 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: mean literally, although I would like to see that. Yeah, 135 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: I want to say an actually, you know, kind of 136 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: punch on. I mean, Trump is actually literally a character 137 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 3: in WWE. He's literally a professional wrestling character, so it 138 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: could happen anyway. But he's used the word fight, and 139 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: again by trying to to say, oh, no, no, no, 140 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 3: I'm not friends with Donald Trump. 141 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: I'm not an ally of Donald Trump. 142 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: In fact, I'm his opponent, I'll fight him suddenly he's 143 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: gone too far in the other direction. And it just 144 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: doesn't matter which way Peter Dutton goes. He keeps getting 145 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: whacked one way or the other. And that is why, 146 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: drum roll, please, I don't think you can win. I 147 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: do not think that the Coalition can win this election. 148 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: Now that doesn't necessarily mean mean that Labor gets a majority, 149 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: but I think it will get more than people have 150 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: been predicting over the last couple of weeks, certainly more 151 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 3: than it was going to get a couple of months ago. 152 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: And this isn't just me saying it. This is people 153 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 3: I'm talking to, both in the Labor camp and in 154 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: the coalition camp. They and you start to see even 155 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: in the public remarks, even MPs talking anonymously to newspapers, 156 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: they're rattled, they're worried. They just don't know what Peter 157 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: Dutton is doing. What does a coalition government look like? 158 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: What does it stand for? Again, even if you just 159 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 3: look at the Trump situation alone, And this is the thing, 160 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: it's not really Peter Dutton's fault that Donald Trump is 161 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: going around being this crazy, bad, erratic guy. I mean, 162 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 3: that's just what Donald Trump does. The problem is that 163 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: Peter Dutton was sort of aligned with Donald Trump, rightly 164 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: or wrongly in the public eye by his supporters and 165 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: also by his opponents, his enemies. And that's all well 166 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: and good. You can ride that when he's saying I'm 167 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: going to stand in front of nothing but Australian flags. 168 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: You can soak up all the benefits of that when 169 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 3: the going's good. But when the going is bad, you've 170 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: got to cop it on the other side as well. 171 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's a bit like the Australian economy. When Scott 172 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: Morrison's Prime minister, it's all his fault, but when you're 173 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 3: the prime minister, it's all your fault. You can't blame 174 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: the other side for something beyond their control happening, and 175 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: they're not expect to be blamed for it yourself. And 176 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: that's what Peter Dutton is suffering under Donald Trump. Trump 177 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 3: doesn't even know he's doing it, of course, he's just 178 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: running away throwing rocks in ponds all over the world. 179 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: It's Liberation Day, by the way, as we record this. 180 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: So we're going to find out whether or not Australia 181 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: gets an exemption from some of these tariffs. And again, 182 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 3: because of the time difference, as we record this, we 183 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: don't actually know. I don't actually know what is going 184 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: to happen. But either way, and again this is where 185 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 3: politics is often just about who has good luck and 186 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: bad luck. Either way, Albo wins because if Donald Trump 187 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: carves out an exemption for Australia, then it looks like 188 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 3: the government has achieved a breakthrough and they've done a 189 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 3: really good job. Yay Australian government. Who's the Australian government. Well, 190 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: it's Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi and Labor, So they win. 191 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 3: And if we don't get the exemption, then Trump is 192 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: even more of a bad guy and is even more 193 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: toxic in this election campaign, and therefore is even more 194 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: problematic for Peter Dutton because of course Dutton is the 195 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 3: one who is associated most with Donald Trump. And again 196 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 3: this is bad luck to some degree, but there's also 197 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 3: some He caught it. He said, when we didn't get 198 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: the tariffs in the first place, the tariff carve out 199 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 3: in the first place, he said, I could have gotten 200 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: a deal. I could handle Trump much better. You know, 201 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 3: I can speak his language. So again he's associated himself 202 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 3: with Donald Trump and said he could get a better 203 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: deal from him, because what they're such good friends or 204 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: two like minds, whatever. But suddenly when Trump's the bad guy, 205 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 3: when he's the bogie man, Oh no, I'll fight him. 206 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 3: He's just trapped. It's a classic kind of I want 207 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: to say, kind of rope a dope. But that's more 208 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 3: when you're sort of on the ropes and you just 209 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: let you know, Muhammad Ali, George Forman, you know, you 210 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 3: just let your opponent wear himself out. Maybe that is 211 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: what they're doing a bit with Peter Dutton, but it's 212 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: almost like you've literally got a dope on the rope 213 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 3: and every way, you know, you belt him one way, 214 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 3: he goes off in that direction, and he comes back, 215 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: and he goes off in the other direction, and no 216 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: matter which direction he goes, he keeps coming back. You know, 217 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 3: I like that ball on a string for another whacking. Now, 218 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 3: Is that fair? No, it's just politics. 219 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: Now. 220 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: Another thing I wanted to bring it up to speed 221 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 3: with is what's happening in Southwest Sydney. Now, for anyone 222 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: who's listening in the state, but if you're into politics, 223 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: you probably know all this already. Southway Sydney is home 224 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 3: to Australia's biggest Muslim community. It's a great place, great joint. 225 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 3: I live just next to it in the posh End. Obviously, 226 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 3: I mean, come on, celebrity. 227 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: But still it's a great part of the world. 228 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 3: I love it. But it's also very, very volatile at 229 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: the moment because of the war in the Middle East, 230 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: and this has been weaponized by some in the Muslim 231 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 3: community and minority, a hard line minority, and they're using 232 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 3: it to try to target the government, which let's not forget, 233 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 3: has also been the subject of furious attacks and criticism 234 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: by the Jewish community for being too pro Palestine. But 235 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: you've got this hard line, borderline extremist kind of group 236 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: minority in the Muslim community who say, oh no, no, 237 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 3: you're not pro Palestine enough, you're supporting genocide because why, 238 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 3: I do not know. By giving money to anra to 239 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 3: taking in thousands of Palestinian refugees, that's Australia supporting genocide. 240 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: Don't quite get that myself. But this is the thing 241 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 3: with hardliners. Clues in the name anything less than complete capitulation, 242 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 3: anything less than absolutely everything they want, and they just 243 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: destroy you. They burn the village to save it. And 244 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: that's what they're doing. They're going after labor MPs in 245 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 3: southwestern Sydney to either a just scream at them, intimidate them, 246 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: vandalize their material horrible stuff, scratching and burning out their 247 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 3: eyes or their faces on all their core flutes, making 248 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: horrible speeches about them, circulating angry videos about them, or 249 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: actually organizing against them, which is what they've done in 250 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: the form of the Muslim Vote Movement. And heaven forbid 251 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 3: that I would suggest that the Muslim Vote Movement is 252 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 3: responsible for any of those other mean things. But at 253 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: the same time they're being gone after politically by the 254 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,239 Speaker 3: Muslim Vote Movement, which is backing quote unquote independent candidates 255 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 3: who are running on a very pro Palestinian, hardline Palestinian 256 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: agenda and trying to tear down labor MPs just because 257 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 3: they are pro Palestine but not pro Palestine enough. And 258 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 3: again this could result in a Dunton Little government which 259 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 3: would be far less pro Palestine and far more pro Israel. 260 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 3: But again, when you're a crazy hardliner, you don't really 261 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: care about that sort of stuff. It's not about what 262 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: the rational result is. It's just about I don't know, 263 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: ask the Greens, they know what to point being, They're 264 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: going to kill off someone who is an ally of 265 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: the of the Muslim community, potentially replace them with a 266 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 3: government led by someone who is much much much more 267 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: pro Israel and much more more skeptical about Palestine and 268 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: the Palestinian cause. And again for what purpose. This makes 269 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: absolutely no sense, but it is happening. And I reported 270 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 3: on the fact that weeks ago the Muslim vote representatives 271 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 3: were actually in talks with the Liberal Party about putting 272 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 3: labor last. So both the Muslim Vote and the Liberal Party, 273 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 3: as part of these discussions, were talking about putting labor 274 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 3: last on the ticket. And that means that in Tony 275 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: Burke's seat of Watson, for example, the Muslim vote candidate 276 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: could actually win even with a primary vote of just 277 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: fifteen or twenty percent, which according to their polling I'm 278 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: told is about what he's sitting on, or was sitting 279 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: on before yours truly reported. 280 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: On this anyway. 281 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: So if the Greens drop out first, which they would, 282 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 3: all their preferences would go to the Muslim vote. Then 283 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: if the Liberal Party dropped out underneath the Muslim vote candidate, 284 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: and if the Liberal had to vote card had the 285 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 3: Muslim vote above Labor. Then the Muslim vote candidate picks 286 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 3: up all their preferences, and that combined vote i e. 287 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: The Greens, the Liberals, and the Muslim votes, if that 288 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: adds up to more than fifty percent, it doesn't matter. 289 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 3: If Tony Burke has a primary vote of forty nine percent, 290 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: and last time round he got a primary vote about 291 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: fifty one percent, So if he takes a bit of 292 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: a haircut, goes drops below forty nine, they could still win. 293 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 3: All those other votes combined could still beat him. And 294 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: I can tell you he was genuinely worried about that, 295 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 3: and Labor was genuinely worried about that, and Jason Claire, 296 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: another big senior figure. I mean, these are senior cabinet ministers. 297 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 3: Tony Burke is even a potential future prime minister in safe, safe, safe, 298 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 3: or once worse safe Labor seats, and they could be 299 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 3: knocked off by these sort of rogue independent Muslim vote 300 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: packed candidates, so that this would have been an existential 301 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: threat for Labor. But anyway, since that article got published 302 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 3: a few weeks ago, it seems the Libs have changed 303 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 3: their mind. They realized that it wasn't a particularly good 304 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 3: look to be saying how they stood in solidarity with 305 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 3: the Jewish community and they had their anti Semitism action plan, 306 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: while at the same time doing Preference deals with the 307 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: most anti Israel movement in Australian politics. So in their 308 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: infinite wisdom, and I think there's every chance that Peter 309 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: Dutton didn't even realize this was going on. It was 310 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 3: being facilitated sort of at a local level and by 311 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: the figures in the New South Wales Liberal Party, which 312 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 3: is dominated by the very moderate branch as opposed to 313 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 3: the more center right faction dominated by Peter Dutton. So anyway, 314 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: one way or another that I am told, I've heard. 315 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: I think it was even been reported that Preference Steel 316 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 3: is now complete toast and the Libs are going to 317 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: put Labor ahead of mus vote. That means that Tony 318 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 3: Burk's seat is almost certainly safe, it means Jason Clair's 319 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: seat is almost certainly safe, and it looks much better 320 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: somewhere like er as well, which is GoF Whitlam's old 321 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: seat and could actually be under threat. It's one that 322 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: the Libs are targeting again, all in Western Sydney, all 323 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 3: in what should be Labor Heartland. But this means, of course, 324 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 3: this is just more good news for Anthony Alberanezi and 325 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 3: Labor in the lead up to this election. It means 326 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 3: that they don't have to worry as much at least 327 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 3: about these super safe seats falling as well as well 328 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: as all the marginal seats they've already got to worry about, 329 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of Victoria, a couple of New South Wales. 330 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: The list goes on. 331 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that the ugliness has stopped just 332 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 3: because that seat is now probably safe. We had a 333 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: situation just a week ago where Tony Burke went to 334 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: a prayer meeting in La Camber. And again, this is 335 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 3: someone who has represented the Muslim community. He's electorate for decades, right, 336 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: and he goes into mosques all the time, and he 337 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: goes to prayer meetings all the time. He's going to 338 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: a prayer meeting and there's a WhatsApp message that is 339 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 3: circulating saying, oh, I better not come and be in 340 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: trouble if he comes. 341 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 2: And he goes. 342 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: Nonetheless, he's got a security detail with him and they're spotted. 343 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 3: And normally I wouldn't say this, but people there sort 344 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: of brag about how he was seen talking to police 345 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 3: or talking to his screwed people. And basically, if your 346 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 3: security advisors or the police who are there tell you 347 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: it's not safe, you better leave, you leave. So it's 348 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: not really your choice in these matters, because of course, 349 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: if you stay, you're not just potentially endangering yourself, but 350 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: you're potentially endangering the people who are there to protect you. 351 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: And no self righteous person is going to do that. 352 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 3: And so he leaves, and then a video gets circulated 353 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: by some of these hardliners that attacks him for leaving. 354 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 3: So he says, you better not come because we're going 355 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: to make you feel uncomfortable. 356 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: And then he comes and they say, oh, but we 357 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: were here, we were waiting for him to talk. And 358 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 2: then he didn't even talk. They said he scurried away. 359 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 3: Like a rat, which is a really ugly term. That's 360 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: a term that should only ever be used in labor 361 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: politics for someone who votes against the agreed ticket. That's 362 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 3: the only definition of a rat, as someone who ratsled 363 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: the ticket. Anything else is like, oh, it's creepy. It's like, 364 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 3: you know, horrible, horrible man. Anyway, so they accuse him 365 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 3: of they first they say, oh, we just wanted to 366 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: hear him speak, and now he's run away. 367 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 2: Because he's a coward with his police. 368 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 3: And then they say, but you just cannot make this 369 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 3: stuff up. And then they do a video and says, oh, 370 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: you know, why doesn't he come back here and show 371 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: his face and talk to us. And then they say, 372 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 3: in the same breath, like the very next sentence, he 373 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 3: better never show his face around here ever again, like 374 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 3: this is just great, and they say they openly say, 375 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 3: they say, we don't want him to feel comfortable. We're 376 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 3: going to make him feel uncomfortable. Now that undermines not 377 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,719 Speaker 3: just the safety of one MP, it undermines the integrity 378 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 3: of our democratics system because it is trying to intimidate 379 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: people into voting one way or another and candidates into 380 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 3: adopting one position or another. But it also undermines everything 381 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 3: that is good about Australia, undermines our multicultural fabric. We 382 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: are the most multicultural nation on Earth, and we are 383 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 3: the most successful multicultural nation on Earth. And you have 384 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 3: these nasty extremists going around vandalizing campaign material, vandalizing pictures 385 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: of people they don't like, telling political candidates and MPs. 386 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: That they're not. 387 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: They're going to make them deliberately make them feel uncomfortable. Now, 388 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 3: this is what I mean. I go on sky On 389 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: News pretty much every night. Great place, should come and 390 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: watch it, tune in. But I have people telling me 391 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 3: every single day, people on the right, very nice people, 392 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: say multicultural doesn't work. You know, Muslims are incompatible with 393 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 3: Australian values. There just can't be any place for them here. 394 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 3: And what am I supposed to say when this sort 395 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 3: of stuff is happening during election campaign? And of course 396 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: I do defend the Muslim community, So I love the 397 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 3: Muslim community, and I talk a lot about some of. 398 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: The Muslim figures who are also targeted. 399 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: By these guys. Moderate Muslims who are on Tony Burke's side, 400 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 3: like Jihard Dibb and Jamal Reefi, really dear friends of 401 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 3: mine who absolutely love great community leaders who've done more 402 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 3: for that community than all these other hardliners, firebrand preachers, 403 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: a lot of them combined. 404 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: You know. JR. 405 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 3: Dibb was principal of Punch Bowl Boys High School, Turn 406 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: It Around. Jamal Reefi was almost single handedly weeded out 407 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 3: extremism in the community and called out extremism in the community. 408 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: At the peak of the threat from isis. He got 409 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: death threats, his family got death threats as a result, 410 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 3: but he still had the courage to speak out. These 411 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 3: guys are true heroes, true community leaders, and you've got 412 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 3: psychos returning on them for not being hardline enough. And 413 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 3: I'll tell you something, think these guys, those hardliners, they 414 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: are the traders to their community, not the people they're attacking. Now, 415 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: this is of course the first episode of the real 416 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 3: story of the election campaign, and so I wanted to 417 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 3: kick it off with something a little bit different. 418 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: Now. 419 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: We hear all the time that this is going to 420 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: be a cost of living election, that every issue is 421 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 3: going to be seen through that prism of the cost 422 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: of living crisis that has been crunching Australians for a 423 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 3: couple of years now. And while the numbers might be 424 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: getting a bit better, still on the ground, I think 425 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 3: people really feeling the pressure. And yes there's light at 426 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: the end of the tunnel and that's fantastic, but still 427 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 3: people I think are questioning whether or not they can 428 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 3: make it day to day, week to week, month to 429 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 3: month and still be able to pay the rent and 430 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: put food on the table. So for our special guest 431 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: this week. I wanted to speak to someone who is 432 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: at the call face of that and sees how much 433 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 3: pressure people are under firsthand with their own eyes and 434 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 3: their eyes that I have had the privilege of being 435 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: able to gaze into many many times over the years. 436 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 3: Because she's an old friend of mine and she's the 437 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 3: CEO of the Society of Saint Vincent de Paul, you 438 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 3: might know it as Vinni's, Orlander says, how are you 439 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 3: welcome to the real story? 440 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: Thanks Joan, Thank you for having me on and having 441 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: this opportunity to talk a little bit about what the 442 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: society is seeing out there in community. 443 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 2: Look, it's always a pleasure. 444 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 3: As you know, I absolutely love you, and I love 445 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 3: the work you do, and I'm always reduced to literally 446 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 3: reduce to tears when I see the impact that you have. 447 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 2: Firstly, let's talk about people. 448 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 3: I think think of Saint Vinie's, I think of they 449 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 3: think of Vinnie's op shops, They think of you know, 450 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: Viny's helping homeless people on the street. But there's actually 451 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 3: a huge amount that happens in between that, isn't it. 452 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 3: People who you know in inverted commers, you know, normal ordinary, 453 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 3: everyday people who are suddenly right on the precipice of 454 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: a financial crisis. Tell us what you're seeing. 455 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, Joe, really across New South Wales, we have 456 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: a huge number of volunteers members working in community in 457 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: about four hundred communities across New South Wales, providing that 458 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: early intervention, so helping people with bills, putting food on 459 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: the table, keeping the lights on, keeping roof over their head. 460 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 4: If it wasn't for that intervention of our members. 461 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: And volunteers, there'd be a lot more people, you know, 462 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: living in homelessness. So last year our members gave out 463 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: about fourteen million dollars worth of assistance to keep people's. 464 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 4: Heads above water. 465 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: And then we run about one hundred services across New 466 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: South Wales, as you mentioned, across homelessness services, domestic and 467 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: family violence, alcohol and other drug rehabilitation. So what we're 468 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,959 Speaker 1: seeing is, you know, a huge increase in demand on 469 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: our services, and really worrying for us is that one 470 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: in three people coming to us have not been to 471 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: us before. And given our footprint, Joe, I'd say that 472 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: that means that the perhaps they've never been to a 473 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: charity before asking for help. So certainly see a changing 474 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: face and the demographic of people that are coming to 475 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: us for help and more and more people turning to 476 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: us just to make ends meet. 477 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 3: Really, and that is a huge figure as well, isn't 478 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 3: it the idea that And again it's pretty much you 479 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 3: and the Salvos, But you've got this the entire country 480 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 3: and this high tire sector covered. If they haven't come 481 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: to you before. This third of people who've come to 482 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 3: you in the last twelve months, they've never been to 483 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 3: a charity before. So that's a third of all the 484 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: people you're helping when you're already stretched, who are facing 485 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 3: And again, I suppose this is what I'm trying to convey. 486 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 3: These are people who would have seen themselves as just 487 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 3: ordinary normal working people, people with jobs, people with families, 488 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 3: people you know, trying to pay the rent and keep 489 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 3: the lights on, who are suddenly now reaching out to 490 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 3: a charity service when they never would have contemplated they 491 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 3: would have to do this. 492 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: Well, that's right, And so I mean, I guess we're 493 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: familiar with the term the working poor coming out of 494 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: the United States and countries like that, but we've never 495 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: really thought about that being in Australian problem. But certainly 496 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: we're seeing more of the working poor people who are 497 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: working maybe on low incomes or struggling to keep up 498 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: with the cost of living and coming to us just 499 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: to fill those gaps. And one of the main reasons 500 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: people are coming to us is for food, so the 501 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: real basics are not coming to us for the trimmings. 502 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 4: But I guess what they're saying is. 503 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: Well, if Vinnys can help me with a food and 504 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: maybe a bill here or there, I can keep a 505 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 1: roof over my head because I think people are very 506 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: fearful of losing their rental accommodation or the housing that 507 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: they might be in because they know it's going to 508 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: be near and possible, particularly if they're on low incomes 509 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: to find housing in the current environment. 510 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 3: That's right, and this is the extraordinary thing. I mean 511 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 3: there is and the statistics are absolutely terrifying. But people 512 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 3: are literally going hungry, literally going without food, and adults 513 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: are often going without food so their kids can eat, 514 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 3: or people just going hungry full stop so they can 515 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 3: afford to pay the rent, so they can literally afford 516 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: to keep a roof over their head because in a sense, 517 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: and it's horrible to say this. In a country like this, 518 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 3: the food is negotiable. You can, but if you get 519 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 3: locked out of your out of housing in the middle 520 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 3: of a housing crisis, that's it. You are literally on 521 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: the street. And that is even more terrifying than going hungry. 522 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: Well, that's right, because really, if you're looking at that 523 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: conundrum in your family, you can make food stretch, or 524 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: you can get help with food from organizations like Vinie's. 525 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: And as you said, terrible choices being made around the 526 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: table where parents are forgoing meals, and we know that 527 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: the data shows that's happening in Australia, so that their 528 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: kids can have meals, kids turning up to school having 529 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: not had breakfast, perhaps not even having lunch to take 530 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: to school, and I think they are making that decision 531 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: to say, well, what's the lesson of two evils? And 532 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: I do need to desperately keep my rental, so the 533 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 1: majority of my income or government assistance is going to 534 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: go to keeping a roof over my head, which is 535 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: critical and essential at this time. And what we know 536 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: is that we're not the only charity helping out with feud. 537 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: So that's really should be shocking to Australians, that so 538 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: many Australians are living below the poverty line, and that 539 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: so many Australians are having to rely on charity simply 540 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: to put a meal on the table for themselves and 541 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: their kids, and that should be shocking to us, and 542 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: I hope that people don't become blase a to the 543 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: fact that too many Australians are living that situation today. 544 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 3: And this brings us to the reason you're here this week. 545 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 3: Obviously we've just had an election campaign be launched, but 546 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: we're launching a very different but equally if not more 547 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 3: important campaign this week, which is your annual event, the 548 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: CEO sleep Out, and you've launched it with sort of display, 549 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: I guess of two hundred sleeping bags, rough sleeping sort 550 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 3: of camps being laid out in the Botanic Gardens in Sydney, 551 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 3: just obvious the Opera House. I mean, talk about a 552 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: kind of study. In contrast, talk us through what you're 553 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 3: trying to achieve this year and what's needed, Joe. 554 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: Every year is really critical because the funds that we 555 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: raise the sleep Back go directly to our frontline homeless services, 556 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: so we know that our homeless services again are under 557 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: enormous pressure. Our turnar away rates are higher than ever. 558 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: It's unfortunately people are having to be turned away. Our 559 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: referral pathways for people usually that we'd have are not 560 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: there because all organizations are seeing the same demand and 561 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: having to turn people away. So I guess for us, 562 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: it's a twentieth year of the Sleepout. We wishould hope 563 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: that we didn't have to have the twentieth event because 564 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: we wishuld hope that people had very fleeting and brief experience. 565 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 4: Of homelessness, but unfortunately that's not the case. 566 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: So the funds are critical for us to keep helping people. 567 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: I guess that juxtaposition of the rough sleepers and the 568 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: sleeping bags against that background is really to say that 569 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: the gap between people who have people who have not 570 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: in Australia is. 571 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: Getting bigger and bigger. We shouldn't be okay with that. 572 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: We should demand that more is done for people who 573 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: have less and less every day, particularly an environment where 574 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: there are so many people who have more and more 575 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: each day. 576 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, and a lot of people, not a lot 577 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: of people, but there is a small group of people 578 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 3: who go see you sleep out or they're so rich. 579 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 3: Why don't they just pay more tax or why don't 580 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 3: they give all their millions and they could fix the 581 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 3: problem overnight. And this I think completely misunderstands what the 582 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 3: event is actually trying to do. And also the origins 583 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 3: of the event. 584 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 2: How did it all come about? 585 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 4: The founder of the event, a guy called Bernie Fion, you. 586 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: Know, good Irish boy. 587 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Exactly was his kids were doing sleepouts at school to 588 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: raise funds for Vinis actually, and he was organizing these 589 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 1: gala dinners in Western Sydney to raise money for Vinis 590 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: as well, and he thought, isn't that odd? You know, 591 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: these big dinner's, fancy garaladinners to raise money for the homeless. 592 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: And when he looked at his kids sleep out, he thought, 593 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: maybe we can get business leaders to sleep out and 594 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: just be a bit uncomfortable and raise money to go 595 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: to all Venus and their homeless services. 596 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 4: And that's how the idea started. 597 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: And you're right, it started in Western Sydney with a 598 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: really small number of business and community leaders who wanted 599 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: to make a difference. About three years into the event, 600 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: Bernie came to us and said, look, I'm raising money 601 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: for you, but I think this is a good idea, 602 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: but it really needs the backing of the organization, and 603 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: he very generously handed over the concept to the two 604 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: Vinniers and we've grown it since then. Of course, you know, 605 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: I think the first year raised about ten thousand dollars, 606 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: a second year about thirty and last year nationally it 607 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: raised nine million dollars, so it's had a really huge growth. 608 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: And going back to your original point, Joe, really the 609 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: event is not about people knowing what homelessness is like, 610 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: and we talked to the contusplants all the time. You 611 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: will know what homelessness is like. You will go back 612 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: to your warm bed and you're nice home the next day. 613 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,959 Speaker 1: You want to know the desperation of what it feels 614 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: like to not know where you'll be sleeping the next night. 615 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: But we want you to come into this room. We 616 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: want you to listen to the stories of people who've 617 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: been homeless, and we do that every year and they 618 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 1: have the privilege of listening to those stories. We want 619 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: you to learn a bit more about the issue and 620 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: then you know what you're going to sleep outside and 621 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: be a little bit uncomfortable just for one night, and 622 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: maybe why you can't sleep as it's cold and the floors. 623 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 4: Floor is hard. 624 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: You reflect on the stories you've heard earlier in the 625 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: night and you'll have a bit more empathy and take 626 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: that back to your workplaces, take that back to your family. 627 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: So look, you know people can be critical of events. 628 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: It's really an experiential event. It's meant to teach people 629 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: something about homelessness. It's meant to put a spotlight on 630 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: it and raise really important funds so we can help 631 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: people who are actually homeless. And there's all sorts of 632 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: people that the CEO sleep out, you know, people who 633 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: arewn their own businesses, CEOs of large organizations. 634 00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: Washed up journalizations. 635 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 4: I was going to say that journalist. 636 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: There's people who are from C suite so who are 637 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: leaders in their organization. There's community leaders, politicians, so there's 638 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: all sorts of people who just want to make a difference. 639 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 2: And as we often say, I know because I'm there 640 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 2: every year. 641 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 3: But you know, it's not about it's not about sort 642 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 3: of homelessness cosplay. It's actually about having a captive audience 643 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 3: so that you can put these people who have this 644 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 3: connections in industry, who have the money, who have the influence, 645 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 3: and you can put them a homeless person or someone 646 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 3: who's experienced that, because of course once they've seen you 647 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 3: that been helped, but put them in front of that 648 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 3: and say, right, actually, this is what it's like and 649 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 3: this is what you need to do. 650 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 2: And so it is. It's an incredibly moving experience. 651 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 3: And it's also it's not just a publicity starting is 652 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 3: that this is Vinnie's biggest fundraising event. You raise more 653 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 3: money from this event than any other event that you do, 654 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 3: so it's really important that people actually plow money into it. 655 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 4: That's right, that's. 656 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: Right, Jade be a fundraiser, and and really it enables 657 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: us to open more services and to run the services 658 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: we have and to meet the growing demand because of 659 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 1: course the cost of living even affects charities in the 660 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: sense of it cost us more to provide care, it 661 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 1: costs us more to provide assistance to people, and we 662 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: have also the challenge of more people coming to us. 663 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: So all these funds are really critical. The CEOs or 664 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: the business leaders, community leaders know. We tell them, you 665 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: do not know what it's like to be homeless. This 666 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: is not about that. This is about you having a 667 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: little bit of discomfort for a night, but actually for 668 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: you to reflect on the things you've heard during the 669 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: evening and maybe instead of crossing the road when you 670 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: see someone homeless, actually engaging conversation, going back to your 671 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: workplace and talking to your staff about why it's important 672 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: that you care about social causes, and then obviously raising 673 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: critical funds. 674 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 4: So I think for everyone. 675 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: Has been to the event, they get that, they get 676 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: what it's about, and they really walk out of there 677 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: with the stories of those people who brave enough to 678 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: share their stories, and they're the things that resonate for 679 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: the participants in the event. 680 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: And that's a beautiful exposition. It's a great Catholic guilt trip, 681 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 3: which is I know is the specialty of Vinnis and 682 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 3: also my mother. If people want to alleviate they've been 683 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 3: horrified by the scale of this problem. Obviously that could 684 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 3: be affecting people they know without them even knowing it. 685 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 3: How can they unburden themselves of this guild? How can 686 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 3: they buy their way out of purgatory and donate to Vinnis? 687 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 2: Where can they go? 688 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 4: Thanks Joe. 689 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: So look, if you're a business leader or community leader, 690 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: we encourage you to participate and you can do that 691 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,479 Speaker 1: going to the CEO, sleep about website at csleep about 692 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: dot org dot au. If you want to make a 693 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: donation to support our work, go to Vinnis dot org 694 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 1: dot au and you'll easily find a donate button and 695 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: that will help us provide care. Last year, our members 696 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: provide a care to one hundred thousand people. Are vans 697 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: provided care to another one hundred thousand people, and our 698 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: services provided care to about thirty thousand, so about two 699 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand people across New South Wales that 700 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: we helped last year keeping them out of really a 701 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: bad situation is getting worse. 702 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 3: God love you landa godspeed. I'll see the sleep outseae 703 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 3: at the lodge and take care. Thanks for joining us, Thanks, 704 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 3: thank you, and that's all we have time for this week. 705 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your coming. I hope you've enjoyed 706 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 3: it as much as I have. We'll be back next 707 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 3: week with. 708 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,840 Speaker 2: More astounding revelations. 709 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,240 Speaker 3: Of what's really happening below the rug of Australian news 710 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 3: and politics in the meantime, flick as an email the 711 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 3: Real Story at novapodcast dot com dot au if you've 712 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 3: got any questions, any criticisms that's obviously hypothetical as if 713 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 3: you would any comments, how much you love the show, 714 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 3: anything you'd like us to look into, anything you want 715 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 3: to know more about, And of course if you want 716 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 3: to hear more of what I've got to say, you 717 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 3: can read me every Monday and Saturday in the various news. 718 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 2: Court master Heads. Give us a like, and that's all 719 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 2: from me. I'll see you next week.